- Yo, what's back in sports fans? This is Aaron and Stefan coming at you once again with another episode of I Hate This Team. There was a lot of prelude to say it's "I Hate This Team." Stefan, what's up? - Aaron, how's it going? - This is August, like, you know, our 200th episode and we're uh... - We're still figuring out the inside. - We're figuring out the beats, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Um, I will say, like, you know, it is, I think, and I'm not just saying that because I heard a dog barking in the background there, it is the dog days of summer in terms of hockey news, we're almost into August when basically nothing happens. The Canucks did give us something to talk about, which I'm sure we'll get into, but that was very exciting because I was going into this, I'm like, man, is this going to be another fast food freak episode, like, whatever you're going to talk about? And then they went and actually did something, so thank you, Canucks, for helping us out there. - It's a solid this weekend. I think before we get into that, we should say we joined the hockey podcast network. - Yes, yes. - Which you probably would have noticed from, like, downloading the podcast or seeing it on x.com, the Everything app, but I'm excited to do that. Not really that much else to say, but it's cool being part of a... It's cool being legitimized. - It is. - I feel like we're respected now. - I think we get a lot more respect now, I think that's great. Um, yeah, thank you, thank you for allowing us to join the network. It's good. I think, you know, get some more ears on the pod. I will say, if you're coming into this for the first time and you're like, damn, it seems like they don't really hate the team that much. Just to clear things up, when we started the podcast, we did hate the team. - Yeah. - Okay. - We certainly hate them a lot less now that they are competent. - Yeah, we hated them. I mean, I can remember them like when they were good and would lose in spectacular ways. Hated them then as well, right, but like, just kept coming back for more. So it's kind of like what the title's all about. That's our point of view. - And I think even if you're not a Canucks fan, you will understand what it means to hate your own team. - Yeah. - You know, I feel like even very spoiled fan bases, you know, if their team doesn't win the cup two years in a row, they will say they hate their team, which is insane. But I think every fan understands what it's like to hate your own team, so that's kind of what it's all about. - Yeah. It's coming from a place of love. - It is. It is. That's right. - But off season thing, Outlaw stars with your vibes right now, how are you feeling after the sprung acquisition? - I think it might be five now. - Yeah, right. Like I'm just on cloud nine. - I think it might be five. Let's talk about a perfect signing for basically no money one year. A guy who can score a decent amount, you know, obviously horrible defensively, but that's not why you're signing him. And I think the thing I'm most excited about signing a guy like this is he's not really a target style player, which tells me target is going to try to open things up a little bit more this year, right? Because I don't think they're bringing in guys like this if there's not a buy in from target as well. So I think we're going to see a bit more run and gun with the team this year. And it was already a very exciting team to watch so yeah, I'm I think it's I'm about as hyped as you can get. And I mean, it's not like a huge signing, obviously it's a signing on whatever it was July 20th or, you know, it was a couple of days ago, less than a million bucks, less than a million bucks. One year is a player who bounces around from team to team for I think reasons we're probably going to find out when we watch him play, but he's a guy with a really good shot. He's a guy who can score 20 goals, playing like 12 minutes a night, he'll be great on the second power play. I think you could play him up there with PD if you wanted. You know, you could do Debrusque PD and sprung, but you could also just play sprung on the fourth line for a little bit of extra pop as well. So I yeah, I mean, I think I was I said I was four or four and a half out last stars last episode. Yeah. It's got to be five now because it's not like it went down and it's not like I'd say the same. So yeah, I'm I'm hyped up for this season. Four point eight, five out last stars for me. So yeah, Jan or Jan, not sure, but a member of our discord, which if you want to join patreon.com slash I hate this team, you know, weekly bonus episode access to our discord discord. Lot of fun. Lot of fun. Support the show. Yeah. But he's a wings fan and give us a little sprung scouting support saying he's going to score some incredible goals in very few minutes for you guys because that's just what he does. This fast release and willingness to pull the trigger from anywhere is something to behold. Not sure he'll ever get a coach's trust enough to be more than a fourth liner on five on five minutes, though, certainly not a quote, target type player playing with peterson. I don't think is going to be an option because of the defensive responsibilities that come with that. Either way, that price is a home run for the Canucks, even if he's healthy to grasp for some games, which he definitely will be part of the Daniel sprung experience is watching him tear it up in a fourth line role and wonder why did we get him so cheap? Someone else is stupid, but us and then you're begging the coach to put him higher in the lineup for weeks and months when he finally does, you kind of get it, then he'll be on a new team next season, but as a fun ride, he'll definitely enjoy being on your team for most of the time. That is about what I'm expecting, I think, which is perfect, right? And I think, especially for a team in Vancouver situation where like Detroit was like trying to make the playoffs, right? I mean, Detroit and Vancouver were in at the start of last year, very similar situations, right? I think they probably had similar odds to make the playoffs. It was like a coin flip for both fan bases, both fan bases started to kind of not starting to but were very impatient, obviously rightfully so. And I think sprung coming to a team like this where there's some expectations, but also there's like a lot of scoring depth. He's not going to be like relied upon necessarily like I definitely know he's like horrible defensively from what everyone has said from what all the advanced stats say from what all the regular stats say and just from watching him play. I think you could still probably put him on Patterson's line maybe once in a while for some extra pop, but yeah, I don't know, I think he having Daniel sprung on the fourth line is such a nice luxury that I feel like we just haven't had for years, right? Yeah. Thomas Drans in the athletic today wrote an interesting piece looking into it even deeper and comparison that he brought up was the Coos Manko experience under target, which it seemed like really bad at the time, especially when he was benched and moving down the lineup because he was making five and a half million dollars and he was painted on the outside of Roger's arena, right? Yeah. A lot more higher profile. He's not a guy that's making just shy of a million dollars. But how talk it would play that is Coos Manko would start the game with Patterson and if they were chasing a lead, he would stay on that line. So they had the offensive options, right? Yeah. And then if they were trying to hold on to a lead, they'd move up bovillier in Coos Manko's place to try and sit on it and have someone that's a bit more responsible. So I think that's a high likelihood that that's what will happen with sprung where he will start on the wing with Patterson in games. If the Canucks are out to a lead, maybe they move up like a key for Sherwood or something, someone with a bit more defensive chops to pivot on that line. And then if they are chasing a lead, you just keep sprung up there because there's a high likelihood that he's going to score. I think too, when you look at a player like sprung, I'm sure all 32 teams were looking at him and saying, hell, I'd add him to my team for a million bucks. Like, yeah, I can put it in 20 goals. We've got an incredible shot, a huge scoring threat and goals are very important and hard to come by. Yeah. He's got the familiarity with sure. And he's got the familiarity with with the Pittsburgh guys too. Yeah. So like if you're in his shoes, you're probably not signing with Vancouver because you think you're going to be playing in a fourth line role. I'm sure they said there's a spot in the top six for you. If you can play to our styles and even if you can and you're producing, you're going to get lots of opportunities there. So I think he is going to get lots of opportunity. Another interesting thing to eat. I'm not going to read the entire article here, but they're talking about his shooting efficiency. So over the past four seasons, sprung ranks among the top 15 NHL fords and five on five shot rate with a minimum of 2,500 minutes played and almost everyone else in that stratosphere is a star level player. And that's really important because you look at how the Canucks played in the playoffs, right? They had a very hard time generating shots. So if you can just insert a guy that generates like that, I think it's going to help solve a major weakness in the Canucks lineup for sure. And then you also have to think that like, okay, here it is, sprung is maintained a dizzying 10.7% on ice shooting clip that sandwiches in between that is career shooting percentage basically or between a stints with Washington, Seattle and Detroit, right? So I think with Washington is when he started to kind of pop off a little bit. Yeah. He got traded. Did you know he got traded to Anaheim for Marcus Patterson? Yeah. It seems like a pretty good trade for Pittsburgh. Yeah. Yeah, not bad. But that 10.7 on ice shooting clip is right in between Stancoast and Kaprizov for 11th highest in the NHL amongst amongst the end players with at least 2,500 minutes. And he goes on to say in the article, like, if you pair him that that could be kind of chancy because he's clearly not like a star player, maybe a star offensive driver, but you have another star offensive driver on this team with Elias Pedersen, right? Who has shown over multiple seasons to sustain or really high on ice shooting percentage. So I could see that being a very dangerous line. And I think too, like when you look at how the lines are set, you're going to have the Miller line playing against Tufts and you're probably going to have, assuming they keep it together, the Joshua Garland, Blueger line also playing against Tufts for opposition, which was like kind of the whole logic of this team going into the playoffs, right? Yeah. You have Pedersen feast against lower down the lineup match ups. That was the idea. That was the idea. It didn't happen. But now you have a lot better wingers to support Pedersen. And I think we all believe that Pedersen's going to bounce back next season and be his usual self, even though his bad season last year, he scored like 89 points. He will. He'll be fine. I am not. I mean, look, not to harp on it. But if you're worried about Pedersen, just don't just, it's fine. Come on. He's going to be fine. He's good. He'll be fine. We know he's good. He'll be fine. It's okay. It's nice not having, I mean, I like PDG, obviously, but I do much prefer having a guy who can like, who can like finish and shoot the puck, you know what I mean? So that pushes, I mean, what does this do for Pot Colson, first of all, what does this do for PDG? I think they're both, I think Pot Colson's days are numbered is really what it sounds like. I don't know. He needs to have a hell of a training camp, doesn't he? Yeah. So like 23-man roster, right? I guess he could be like the healthy scratch, right? But then, I don't know, right? Yeah. People are going to get hurt, right? He's going to get his opportunities, right? So he just, I just know if they, like you said, if they have to put him down on waivers and training camp, he's pretty likely to get claimed. I think that's very risky to do like, I'd much agree, right? Yeah. Like he hasn't played great recently. Like he's the type of guy where like a shitty team will just throw a claim in on it. Yeah, why not? Because they're forward to try him out, you know? So they have some like lines in this article too, which is basically what like I would draw up as well. The thing that I get from reading this, it takes me back to like 2009, 2010, when the Canucks acquired Matt Sundine. I remember like going on to HF boards and like typing up my like, you know, hypothetical lineups of what the team would look like and thinking, I love every forward line that's on the ice is like really good. Like I feel confident in every line that's out here that they are like a good line that can play against almost anybody and hold their own. If not like have a chance to score and and kick the other team's ass. Yeah. And this is really the first time since that like era where I've felt that as well for sure, which just makes me very excited because that happened like a year before they didn't win the cup, but you know, I'll tell you what makes me excited is all the Edmonton fans on Twitter being like, Oh, this line up's not that good. This line. It's not that good of a lineup. This is this this is not good depth. Like I think they're like wrong, you know, you guys beat us in the playoffs, right? Like they are they really are. I know we're obsessed with Edmonton. Of course we are. We're always like the little brother in the situation. They're fucking obsessed with Vancouver. It's crazy. Cause I do think on some level, they know how close they came to losing to a barely like three quarter strength Vancouver team. Yeah. So I think they see the lineup like, you know, the, I mean, Edmonton didn't nest, Edmonton is still obviously insanely good, but like Vancouver is at least as good as they were last year. If not better, you know, defensively, you know, that's the scary thing is their third pair, I guess, but you look at their depth up front, like that's, that's a, that's an incredible forward core. Yeah. So like first line Miller, Besser, Hynan. Yeah. Awesome. Cool. Like it a lot. And then de Brosk's better since strong right on, like that a lot. Third line, Joshua Blueger Garland. All right. We know that. We know that works. Yeah. And then fourth line, Hoaglander suitor, Sherwood, that kicks ass. That's that fucking rocks, dude. Sherwood, I'm so excited for, like, I think out of all the guys, like obviously de Brosk, you know, is like the big marquee signing. Sherwood, I think it's gonna be a lot of fun. He's gonna be a fan favorite. That line sounds so fucking annoying as well. Yeah. With the, with the hitting and the Hoaglander being a dirty little red bastard. Suitor as your fourth line center is crazy. Yeah. That's so good. Yeah. Suitor in the betting years would have been like our first or second line center for some years. I mean, he was a second line winger in the playoffs. So like, yeah, no, I mean, they've done a really good job of shoring up all this depth. Yeah. Yeah. And like you would love to see another top four D man. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. They're terrified about Susie getting hurt again. I would like, I kind of think they have the room to bring to bring in a top four D man if they need to during the season, right? Like they're not into LTIR, which is huge. They're still like, I mean, they're like $16,000 below the cap or whatever right now, right? But yeah. I mean, they're going to go into the season, presumably below the cap, even though it's just a hair, but like technically they're still below it, which is crazy. And yeah, I mean, they're going to have room to make a move. They still have their 2025 first round pick, right? Yeah. They still have the 2026 first round pick. Like if you really want to get down to it, right? So they could make a pretty big splash and during the season at the deadline or before. And I think I'd lean towards before knowing. Oh, not giving their track record. Like if I think of the team starts out hot again, I think I think he takes a big swing for a top four defense man, like early on. And I think the guy we both like is Rasmus Anderson. Oh, yeah, baby. Bring it on. That'd be so sick. So with the just back to the pug holes and thing before I lose that thread entirely. So with that forward line that I those forward lines that I laid out, which I think is pretty obviously the Canucks 12 best forwards. Yeah, I agree. And with like the D as we just all know it to be with a 23 man roster, you could have a healthy scratches of pug holes in Julesin and Phil D. DeSethi, right? Okay. So that means you just have really bad depth knows them on through waivers, which I don't think should be an issue. And if it is, like, okay, sign our like into the world, you can find another knows them on. Totally. They found him as a was he not an undergrad. He was not on fine fine. Yeah, six round pickers, something like that. So he's he's already found money and is like way better than what you expect from a signing like that. So yeah, I have faith in them if they need to find another nils them on, they can find another nils them on. Well, they might have even found one already with Nathan Smith, right? Sure. Like I can't say I'm familiar with his game, but based off of what I've read and yeah, like just the general air that signing like to ratu. You know, probably going to get some games this year as well. Right. But like sure. But like in terms of like a similar like third, fourth line kind of tweener guy that we can bring up and. Max the song as well. Yeah. Exactly. I'm sure they're close and I think it's going to get some time like I think there's depth in the minors, even if you lose them on. So I think the interesting thing would be if do you risk sending down Phil D. Giuseppe? Uh, say when everybody is sending down players, right? There's probably going to be more interesting guys available when everyone's being sent down a training camp like that and run with a 22 man roster. So you can accrue more cap space throughout the year, which would then allow a bigger ad at the, uh, at the deadline. Yeah. Yeah, man. I don't know. I think. Does he get paid? How many years does he have left? Is he on a two year contract? Or is this his second year? PDG. This is a second year. This is a second. Yeah. He's pending UFA after this. And he's 30 years old, making league minimum. I don't think he gets claimed. Yeah. Like, I mean, I, he's fine. He's fine. He's, he's, I, I like him. I don't think he gets claimed. I think you dad. Good fourth liner, right? But it's not like there's lots of good fourth liners that get sent down once training camp ends. Especially when you're a good team too, you shouldn't be worried about that sort of thing, right? Like totally. If he clears, then I forget exactly how the waivers work, but you have a few months where you could cook the book, setting them up and down without having to clear waivers. Correct. I think, I think once he's cleared once, maybe it's okay. I have to double check. I feel like there's some time limit there, but, uh, yeah, I get it. Yeah. I mean, it's, it is just so nice that we're now kind of like tinker around the edges a little bit. You know what I mean? And it's, it's sort of just like, okay, well, who's going to be the fourth line center? Who's going to be like our fifth line center, really, right? Who's going to, who are the two healthy scratches going to be up front? Who's the healthy scratch going to be on D? It's really nice that we're in that situation now where like, I don't want to say the lineup is a hundred percent set because I think there will still be like battles at training camp, obviously, but like it's looking pretty set at this point. And I, I think it's going to be a, it's going to be such a fun year. Well, that would be another cool thing too, right? Like say, our steep bains or another player that isn't eligible for waivers comes and shows really strong at camp. Yeah. They could be that forward in like the filledie Giuseppe spot, like say he gets sent down but you still want a 23 man roster. They can travel with you. And then when you're back in Vancouver, you can send them down for paperwork reasons and a crew that capspace without actually having like any real cost to it. Yeah. Absolutely. Which, uh, back to this like article from earlier today. If you were able to do something like that, um, you could have like, um, said it was like very back of the infillote math, but an extra $2 million in cap space at the deadline. And then when you add Tucker Pullman's contract into that, if you want to then go into LTIR space, like post deadline, like four and a half million dollars, you can add like a, a real player there, especially if you're moving some roster player out in order to fit them, right? So yeah, I doubt this is the defensive core that you're going to see going into, the playoffs. I hope it is. No, I think we're going to see another top four guy added. I think I think they're going to, they're going to make a big splash. They're going to make a Lindholm trade, but for defense, basically. Yeah. And I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt at this point with Forbert and DeHarnay because, uh, sure, they've, they've kind of proven themselves with pro scouting. They've proved themselves with making big dumb stupid defenders better. So very astute. Like I think like, yeah, like you said, at this point, we can sort of trust them. We can trust the process, which is so nice. Right? It's not like if Jim Benning signed those guys, it would be like, Oh, fuck Jim Benning signed these two huge trees. They can't skate. Can't play hockey. But when it's like our guys and we know they have a good coaching staff and good development and all that stuff and just a good locker room situation in that situation. It's like, okay, let's see what they, let's see what they can do. Let them cook. You know, it's so nice. Yeah. Did you, did you hear the, uh, the drama around Daniel Sprong from like, I think it was last summer? But did he like punch a race car driver or something? Yes. Um, that is exactly what happened. He like choked him out or something. It was like, it's pretty rough, I feel like. I saw this was like the first comment in that I thought, I thought I thought it was like a porn article, right? Yeah. Like how have I not heard about this before? But yeah, he, um, was accused of assaulting former indie car drivers, Zach Klamen or Klamen, Zach Klamen, Demelo, yeah, and, uh, nothing else really came out of it. Besides the, the race car driver's Instagram story about it, which looks pretty brutal. Yeah. He showed his like injuries and stuff, right? Yeah. So he was like, ran pre weekend. I was assaulted at a nightclub by Detroit Red Wings NHL player at Sprong 11. He grabbed my neck and pinned me on a wall. We were separated during that scuffle. After when I believed the situation was over, Daniel scamed back and sucker punched me in the face while I was defenseless. The photos on the slide before is the aftermath of the incident that did all work and needed was brutal. I'm still not finished. I sustained a concussion that I've been dealing with over the past few weeks. I just wanted to bring attention to the situation is no one has the right to act this way, especially an athlete of Daniels caliber. We must hold ourselves to the highest standards and for him to do this is beyond disappointing due to legal reasons. I can't say more at this time. So is there still something like happening with that? I mean, I don't know. He like, there's clearly marks on his neck and he got some teeth busted, which looked pretty brutal. I want to make the official sense the podcast clear. You shouldn't assault people in nightclubs. Nope. You shouldn't sucker punch people unless you're doing it on the ice. Yeah, to Steve Moore because he elbowed your best friend in the head. But no, like, that's a bad thing. You shouldn't do that. You kind of wonder why there has been more made out of it. I know the legal process can be slow, but also people get drunk and fight at nightclubs all the time. Who the hell knows what happened and that's just one side of the story. Yeah. I hate being on both sides of the argument or both sides argument guy, but this one feels like it's, it's, it's a fair enough, uh, I feel like maybe there's more to the story. Yeah, but well, I'm sure we'll find out if something comes of it, you know, but yeah, I did see that too. And that was interesting. That was when he was with Seattle, right? Detroit or, or was he, oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. Cause the tag, he had just signed with Detroit wings and the, uh, in the article. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll, we'll see what happens. Yeah. My, my clickbait take on that is, uh, the Canucks have added some much needed team toughness. I love it. Yeah. And, and he's their first ever Dutch player too. Apparently. Oh yeah. Yeah. And, and, and, and when he was like nine years old to like help foster his, his NHL career. Yeah. I pretty cool. I did the, uh, a lot of research earlier today, YouTube, uh, Daniel sprung highlights. Nice. And was watching those. And then there was a suggested reel and it was him on a podcast after he signed with Detroit. Okay. And he was talking about how he had a bunch of teams interested in him and it came down to Detroit and another one and he's like, it's an original six team. He listed off all the great players that have played for the Red Wings and how it was kind of a no brainer to be able to like walk on those same halls and like play on the same team that fed her off and Eiserman and Lindstrom, et cetera, it played for did not sound Dutch. No, I got, does he have an accent at all really or I guess he's been over here for, yeah, since he was like nine, then probably not, but does he have Twitter? Cause as a Dutch guy, that means he probably has the worst replies of any dude. I mean, you're, you're aware of the content of Dutch posting. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. So for our listeners though, I mean, now, now when it comes to Dutch posting, it's going to be when Daniel sprung hits the post, Oh, I got to tell John that he's going to love that. That's great. So he replied, Jerry D, you're the comedian. Okay. This is actually him. This is a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, he was okay. He was looking for someone to play golf with anybody want to play at cat bot links, which is now a defunct link on Twitter, but it appears to be a golf course in Cape Breton. Okay. And Daniel sprung did reply to him. Oh, yeah. Cause did he, he played in the queue, right? Jerry D or sprung. Uh, sprung. Did he play for like, let me see who he played for. I want to say he played for like St. John's or let me, let me see. Let's see. Let's see how right now. No, it was, uh, the Charlotte town Islanders. Okay. But he, but he does have, he does have a connection to the Maritimes though. Okay. Okay. So Ryan Graves replied saying, I'd love to play. Hopefully your golf game is better than your hockey game. Wow. And then someone I don't. Words from Ryan Graves seems, there's like a beach full friend of both of them to count me in. If you need a fourth, we'll help show you to the fairway and Daniel sprung said, both of you know, I'm the better golfer of the three of us. Okay. That's not really a, uh, he's having a bit of fun. A Dutch guy reply. No, no, he's, he's, I think I think the, the Dutchness has been sort of sucked out of him. I think he sounds like he's more of a Maritimes guy actually, but you know what? We could use some of that energy on the Canucks too. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. No, uh, no egregious replies here. So not all that Dutch. Did we, did we call it? We didn't call this specific signing, but we did both predict they were going to bring in one more person before training camp, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very pressing of it. Chalk one up for us again. We're so smart. Another, another small bit of, I'm not really connects news. It's really connects non-news, but I, uh, I heard, uh, Rick Dolly wall on how for the party and he said that two players that he gets asked about all the time are Oscar Shillington and Tyson Berry. I know on the show we have been pretty high on the idea of bringing in Shillington. Yeah. He said he knows there's been no interest from the Canucks towards Shillington whatsoever. So don't hold your breath on that. Okay. He did wonder about Tyson Berry and I don't know if that's like informed wandering or just, uh, him spitballing what he thinks like might be a good idea because he's a, a veteran defender. He is from here. He's from here. Yeah. He did have that like five point game when he was with Colorado against the Canucks a couple of years ago. It was all in the power play. Yeah. He said if anything, he thinks that would be like a training camp, PTO type situation. Okay. That's fine by me. You know? Yeah. The Canucks, um, they have a lot of roster spots taken up right now. Yeah. I think at 49 out of 50 contracts, which is, to my understanding, a bit higher than where teams like to chill at. I think you want to have a little bit more breathing room there. Yeah. So I wouldn't be shocked if the Canucks try and ditch an NHL contract at some point. Yeah. Uh, who that would be. I mean, hold on to keep getting brought up in potential trades, but I think if you're doing that, you're trading for another NHL player. So it doesn't really. The contract and contract out kind of thing. Yeah. Like, I wonder if, um, well, like it has on Puck PD here, uh, Vitali Kratzoff as a, as a listed player here, right? Right. And I know sometimes that these like roster slots can slide. Yeah. Given, uh, different scenarios or whatever. Like I'm pretty sure Lecarra Mackie's contract spot slid last year when he was playing in Sweden. Yeah. But that's the thing where it says on paper right now, it's 49 out of 50, but it isn't actually, uh, that could be right. I could see that. Yeah. But that explains why they wouldn't have say like qualified Phillip Johansson or, um, what's his name? Ada McDonough. Yeah. Um, I'm seeing who else might slot like, yeah, if Krill Kedratzoff, see, playing another year in the OHL. I think so. I win T. So you might, it would be an over age or season. Yeah. You might be able to, or like Sawyer Manio is definitely playing in the WHO in the season. So I don't know if that contract counts towards it. Let's see. Do contracts in mine or in double using Google for anything. Yeah. Dude. Kind of CHL slide for contract spots, NHL, uh, da, da, da, da, da. Yeah. Okay. When an entry, nice. Puckpedia. Shout out to you. Okay. Um, coming in, coming in hot when a player has been, has been, they've been picking it up recently. They've got their Puck GM mode is good and, uh, yeah, I, I was setting up kind of a segment. Maybe we can do it throughout the summer when it's slow that involves their, uh, their Puck GM thing. Love it. Just looking at bad Canucks trades that have been proposed on there. Um, right. Right. Cause you can see the trades that other people. Yes. Yeah. When they publish their, their like armchair GM or their, their Puck GM on Puckpedia. So when a player is on an entry level contract and is 18 or 19 years old, their entry level contract is slide eligible. This means that the team may choose to return them to junior and avoid using a year of their ELC. Uh, in the case of the contract slides, the net effect is the term length of their contract doesn't start. There's still cap implications for each impacted year. Okay. Well, that isn't really the question I was asking, but, uh, it does mean that like Sawyer Minio's contract will, uh, slide slide, right? Yeah. Players may play up to 10 games in a season, including playoffs and still be eligible to slide. As soon as they play 10 games, their contract starts and they can no longer slide. Uh, damn. Well, hopefully some nerds are listening to the show and can, can let us know. I think we might have some nerds less than the comments if I had to guess. Uh, but yeah, it's, I'd say take a break, but, uh, not take a break. Let's do our, our first ever ad read stuff. That's right. Yeah. So bet the action on the ice with draft King sports book, uh, right now on draft Kings. There aren't really any hockey games going on this week. I was hoping there'd be something happening like overseas or there was the KHL like all star game thing happening. I wonder if they do that in the summer. I they do. Yeah. Okay. Let's look. Let's look. I think so might just have to be futures bets for us. Yeah. Futures best. I was hoping we could bet on the beauty league, but, uh, unfortunately not, which features some Canucks, not best or this year, but I think forebored is there, forebored score to hat trick last week. Yeah. Yeah. That's from PP one. Let's go level of play at the beauty league. Yeah. Um, so yeah, right now you can get our Vancouver Canucks at plus 2200, uh, that is sandwiched in between the Boston Bruins at plus 1,800, the LA Kings at plus 2200 as well below the national predators at plus 1,800, which I, I feel like that's a slight also below the, the golden nights at plus 1,600. I don't know, man. I do. I feel like the Canucks should have better odds, but you know what? That means they're a good bet. I feel like. Yeah. I mean, as a Canucks fan, I, I think I would give them a bad problem. Let him hate us. Yeah. Interesting as well. Uh, the New Jersey Devils are tied for the fifth best odds with the Maple Leafs and New York Rangers and Colorado Avalanche and Carolina Hurricanes at plus 1,300. Kind of see that given that everything that could go wrong, did go wrong last year. And if they just get like decent goal tending and aren't injured, they should be really good. Yeah. So I sort of get that, but I also feel like Canucks should have better odds too. But well, Hey, you know, that's fine. Yeah. Let them, let them underestimate us. Yeah. I want to, I want to say fear the deer there, but that is a fear, fear to whale, uh, down of the app now and use promo code THPN, uh, new customers can get 150 bucks instantly in bonus bets for betting just $5 on hockey. That's code THPN, only on draft King sports book, an official sports betting partner of the NHL. The crown is yours, Stefan and listeners, uh, easy to remember the promo code. It's the hockey podcast network, but the initials of it. Okay. So I was saying, yeah, Puck, Peter, you can like filter by team and see all the great work on the ad read by the way, Aaron. Thank you. Thank you. I should put that bit in. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Uh, first ever ad read. Yeah. Of course I should put the goddamn ad read in. Okay. So the first one here is titled hog trade, sad face, which if it's making you sad, you don't got to do the trade. Sure. This of all the ones that I saw today is probably the most realistic, but I still don't think either team does it. Okay. Uh, Philip Broberg for Nils Hoaglander, yeah, I don't, that I will say that is literally the exact trade I made in my keeper league. Oh, really? Like two years ago, where I traded Broberg for Hoaglander. Nice. And it's kind of just like not really worked for either of us because they're not really great fantasy players, but hoaglander did score 20 goals last year. Yeah. But if you look at his like fan tracks numbers, he's like a 1.9 or something. Okay. Because he's just like doesn't play enough to like get a ton of shots and everything. Yeah. He has some games where he's hitting. Yeah. No, I street at games where he popped here. He had games where he popped off for sure, but then he'll just have games where like he doesn't play at all. Like if he doesn't score a goal in a game, he's getting like zero points. Yeah, that's true. Um, I don't. I think that would favor the Canucks at this point, probably just give him positional need positional need. Right? That's, that's the thing. Like obviously Broberg looked good in the finals, which like you can't really discount, but like he's looked kind of bad in every other situation. So we don't know who the real Broberg is. But I think for Edmonton, especially given, you know, the having to deal with like darn all nurse and everything like I think you need to have the best defense you can get. Yeah. And you get someone like Broberg where is, I mean, Hoaglander would be great, like plug and play and everything, put them on the fourth line. Perfect. But I think he'd basically do the same thing he does here in Edmonton. And I don't know if they need more of that. Yeah. They're, they're D looked, um, way better once they started playing Broberg and dropped CC from that parent, which I hate. And they, all they did was add wingers this off season as well. So I don't really see them wanting to add another one. Yeah. And just from like a fan perspective, it would, it would kill me to see Hoaglander in an Oilers jersey. Yeah. Like, cause we talk a lot about like Rasmus Anderson and like them trying to acquire Hoaglander does make quite a bit of sense. And there was rumored interest around the, the Lindholm trade, the fact that Anderson wouldn't be a pure rental would make me be able to stomach that more. But I guess living in Calgary, I have a soft spot for the flame. So I wouldn't hate that nearly as much. And we have a common enemy in, uh, and the Edmonton Oilers. So that's right. Yeah. Correct. Uh, okay. This one. All you value wise though, I, I'd say like it's not as far as proposed trades go online. Yeah. I've seen much worse. Yeah. Absolutely. So this one also includes our friend, Nils Hoaglander, uh, who's might be a theme this season, which kind of sucks is then he gets like the, the Mason Raymond, uh, value attached to him, and I think he's a much more valuable player than that. Do I like Mason Raymond back in the day too? Oh, yeah. All right. So the Anaheim Ducks receive Nils Hoaglander and a first round pick and the Canucks receive Olin Zellweger. I mean, all right. Yeah. This one's called a Canucks ad huggy bear light. There's no fucking chance of that ever. I know. That's so insane. It's just like, it's just classic like, I mean, I just, yeah, just not understanding what another team would want, right? Yeah. Like, like Anaheim is bad and they need young flight. Like they're not, they're not, I thought it was maybe going to be like a Frank Petrano trade or something. But like, no. Yeah, no. Yeah. They're 20 year old stud defense men who's also to be honest, like Zellweger is obviously great and everything. But like, where does he play with that? Like he's not really, he'll get second power play time, I guess, which is great. But like, yeah. I don't know. He's not here. He'd be playing second pair with Tyler Myers. Sure. Fine. I don't know if I trust that pair defensively necessarily, but yeah, I don't know. That's just a classic at that. Now that's a classic online. That is a very H.F. Wardstrade. Okay. Next one here, this one, this one might be my favorite. Okay. So Buffalo receives Connor Garland and its 2025 first round pick. The Canucks receive bow and by room. Okay. It's again. It's not going to happen. Oh, my God. Fuck. There's one thing Buffalo needs. It's more undersized score. Yeah. They need some small scoring wingers. Yeah. Okay. That's just. And also just like the, yeah, the idea that the Canucks first round pick is going to hold value in a trade for like a younger player like that to like a shitty team is so funny. You're trading it. You're trading the first round pick for like an old guy. Yeah. With the Buffalo savers have done Casey Middle set for Connor Garland in a first. I mean, who knows with the way they run things over there, but that seems a little like clear, I guess. Yeah. Slightly. Yeah. So I guess in that sense, you kind of think that the Buffalo probably won that trip, but like mill says been fine for Colorado and they signed in for cheap. Okay. Last one that I saw here. Okay. Calgary receives. Yeah. Vinny day. Harnay. Okay. Gilmer breeze boa. That's what you say. Same, right? I know it's breeze boa. Guillaume. Guillaume breeze boa. You got the guy that didn't play last year at all. Yeah. Yeah. And the guy, and the guy that have just signed also in day Harnay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 25 second round pick, 20, 26 second round pick. That bit is realistic because the conks do hate. Sure. Drafting in the second round. This is some classic throw a bunch of shit together. Yeah. For a rasmus Anderson. Okay. Yeah. No. Okay. Jesus Christ man. I can't get too mad because like like I said, you said this earlier, you know, we've all been like 15 years old on HSB making trade proposals and that sort of thing, making your ideal lineup. That's probably what this is, but also like the thing with online sports fans, this goes for every sports fan. It is really hard sometimes to differentiate between a 15 year old posting a trade proposal and like a 35 year old posting a trade proposal because they can be equally stupid, right? Oh, I just saw another really good one. Let's hear it. Well, this one's title, less than one million sprung is idiot. So maybe this guy was in an argument with someone in line. Sure. Anyways, Vegas Golden Knights receive, Phil D. DeCepi, Nils-A-Mon, and Chicago's 2027 fourth round pick. Okay. And the conks receive Braeden McNabb. Okay. Like again, why does Vegas want to do that? Why would they? Oh my God, man. I just, that's the, that's like the classic theme with trade proposals online is like they are only looking at it from the point of view of the team they're a fan of, right? Yeah. And there is never any thought process to like, okay, now why would the other team do this, right? God, which I think is why we're pretty good at doing trade proposals. Oh, yeah. We're good at it. All of ours. We've had, we've had years of honing our craft online though, so, okay, Carolina receives Connor Garland, Lina's Carlson, and a first round pick for Marty Natius. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Depends how you value Natius, right? I don't think Caroline is doing that, especially when they were looking for like a top 15 pick at the draft. Probably not. Yeah. I, Natius, the longer that goes on, the less likely it seems he's going to get traded, right? Yeah, probably. He's still like, maybe doesn't want to be there, but like, I think he'll probably still get decent PowerPoint time at this point. I mean, they brought in Genssel, but like, they've got, they got space there. It feels like. I don't know. I'm not sure. Weird situation. This one's funny. So this one actually happened prior to Daniel Sproung being signed by the Canucks, but this person actually projected the Canucks signing Daniel Sproung. Okay. Nice work. For one year, $2 million. So we're already ahead of the game. Yeah. So the New York Rangers receive Brock Besser and Vasili pod Colson. All right. And the Canucks receive Ryan Lindgren and Capo Caco boy, Lindgren and I like. Yeah. I don't know if I like. I don't. Especially given Besser season last year, right? Yeah. Caco feels like nothing to me. Caco feels like a guy that is going to have like a Zadina style. I mean, he's just like, I don't know if they just developed him wrong. It's so crazy because like, he was a guy where like it was, he was such a clear cut second overall pick. And he's just done like nothing, right? Yeah. And he'll, but he'll occasionally score like a really sick goal. And I think he has like decent underlying numbers on occasion. I don't know. He's a little young too, right? I mean, he's still really young, but it's like, I don't know. The funny thing about this lineup that this guy did on Puckpedia is, yeah. So they signed Dale sprung for $2 million and he's the 13th forward. He's not even playing in this lineup. Yeah. But the first line is DeBrusque, Pedersen and Lekara Mackie. Okay. And the second lineup is Dantan Hine and JT Miller and Capo Caco, which is just, I think objectively a worse lineup than what the Canucks have at this moment. Yeah. They just made the Canucks worse. Yeah. Yeah. Much love for Lekara Mackie. Don't get me wrong. Sure. But like, I think he needs to, like, look at what Dale is not seeing him this year, right? Like we might see him by the end of the year, like you said, like, like Stan Coven and Maverick Bork, right? Like there's no harm in letting him really cook in the, the AHL and, oh, no doubt he's making, he's putting up 1.2 points per game, get him in the NHL for the playoffs. That's awesome. But like pigeon hole in there at the beginning of the season, and that's something I really like about this Canucks management team versus the previous management regime where they're not forcing these guys to have to be in the lineup. Like they're going to have to earn it. And this is what they did in Pittsburgh as well, right? Like Brandon, Brandon Rust, that's his first name, right? Brian Rust. Brian Rust. Yeah. Like Jake Gensil even. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So yeah. There's no, it's clear, I think, given the sprung signing, especially that like we're not going to see like Karamaki at the start of the year unless he like absolutely blows the doors off in the preseason, which if he does, it's like, okay, that's a nice problem to have, you know? Yeah. No, that's like a very, very, very, very high quality problem. Yeah. Oh boy. Any other, uh, these are some stuff from around the NHL, um, yeah, Columbus is hired a head coach. Yeah. Dean Evison. Yeah. I don't know the beer. It's going to be upset about that. Well, yeah, but like he'll be upset on behalf of, uh, Columbus, I mean, how much worse could it get in terms of coaching and Columbus really? I know. Right. Like at least they didn't do Quinnville. I would have liked Todd McClellan there a whole lot more. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. They signed a guy who, you know, I think he'll be fine. It's, it's such a low bar there, right? That's the thing. So yeah, I think, I think he'll be, he'll be okay. As long as they're actually trying to develop young players and they're, and they're playing their young players. Like last year was so weird, you know? I just don't, they were awful last year and I get sort of maybe not wanting to have the young players in that environment, but like, they just seemed allergic to giving young players any sort of playing time at all. Right. What is, I feel like they have enough like decent players there where like they should not be as awful as they are. Let's pull up their, their thing. God, their first line is a blast from the past. Johnny hockey, Sean Monahan, Patrick line a God, and line a, I mean, they're still trying to trade. Apparently. Yeah. Who knows what's going on there? Ken Johnson, Adam Fintilly, Gavin Brindley. Okay. Is there, the guy they signed out of college last year? Sure. I don't know what it is. Third line, Boone Jenner, Cole Cylinger, Carole Marchenko. Okay. And then fourth line. Ken Johnson in this lineup at all, did you say him on the second line or is he just not even? Yes. He was their, their left wing of this, this line. Okay. And then fourth line, Demetri Vornkov, John Colre, and Igor Chynakov. Oh, Chynakov. Yeah. Yeah. Chynakov. Defense, Zach Wurinsky, Damon Severson, Ivan Proverov, David Eurocheck, Dayton Maccheng, Matei Chuck? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then Canucks legend, Eric Goodbranson. Yeah. And then goal is Merselikens and Terrace, they're gold. Their gold ending is so bad. Yeah. Back when I said about them having good players, that team below. Yeah. I think it's just because I like, I enjoy Carole Marchenko that, uh, oh yeah. He's a fun player. They have fun players. I think, right? Yeah. They don't necessarily have really good players. I don't know how much like, uh, like how legitimate this, this report is. But, um, Erfan Gafar was on Canucks conversation last week. And he said that he'd heard or he believed, uh, I forget, like with the exact phrasing of it was that the Canucks are interested in a RFA for trade that isn't, uh, who you would think it was. It's like the big RFA, it's not, it's not, it's not natures. Not natures. Not natures. Okay. Yeah. It was like a talk at type player, um, but I don't know how they fit him in necessarily. Yeah. I hope it's Marchenko, but maybe after the strong signing, like, uh, it doesn't make. Yeah. Pending RFA and HL. So like maybe if they were in talks with someone, they said, well, why would we give up assets and, uh, when we, when we could just like sign him for cheap, but let's, who's available is RFA still got an article here from, uh, from sports net from last week Jeremy Swamin doubt it kind of weird that that hasn't happened yet given that they signed all mark, right? Like I know Boston's pigeons away, like a decent amount of money, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'd think that they would like be a deal in place for cider. Okay. I also don't think that's happening. He doesn't play forward. Um, Lucas Raymond, I think it's still Lucas Raymond as well. But like he's going to get paid for some. Yeah. Hey, here's a question for you. Yeah. So that draft, the Lucas Raymond draft you had, um, that was when you had, uh, Lofrenia air went first, then by field who signed Raymond and Stutzla. If you had the first overall pit given their careers to date, who are you taking first overall? Probably Stutzla. Yeah. That was like the resounding answer, like last summer, right? Cause he was off a 90 point season. Yeah. But Lofrenia had a way better year, Stutzla kind of took a step back. Bifield looked really good this year too. Bifield looked really good. Bifield, I think the argument is maybe there for Bifield, especially depending on what he does this year, I guess, right. Um, but I could, I could see an argument for Bifield as well. I mean, I could see an argument for Lofrenia if he keeps it up because he looked really good last year. So. Yeah. I think it's a lot more interesting now, but I, you probably still go Stutzla, at least I would. I think you do, even though he had a bad year, it's Ottawa. It's kind of a write off, right? Ottawa was bad last year. I mean, Raymond had 72 points in 82 games last year. He did, but it's also, I don't know. It's tough with him where he's like, it's like a winger, right? Mm hmm. Obviously, I think he's really good, but let's see, Seth Jarvis, uh, he looked great. Yeah. And, um, yeah, I really don't think Caroline would give up on him. Probably not. No. Well, Thomas Hartley, he's still unsigned. He, yeah. Alright. Martin H just comes in at six on this list. He had a really big year, too. Hartley looks so good. Yeah. Wait. Mattie Beniers is unsigned. Uh, I think he is. Yeah. Huh. Not him either. Uko Pekkalukinin. Okay. Also had a big year. Oh, here's an interesting one. Cole Perfetti. I can see that. I feel like, I wonder if he hates being in Winnipeg. Right. Considering they like didn't give him any playing time last year. If he doesn't get playing time this year, I don't know what he has to do to get playing time, you know, granted, Winnipeg hasn't done anything this year and we were kind of giving him shit for not letting like players, like young players step into the lineup. So maybe this is them saying, okay, Perfetti, okay, I think that's probably like, he should in theory, get playing time on Winnipeg next year. It'd be kind of shocking if he didn't. Yeah. Carole Marchanko. We, we said that one already. Dawson Mercer said that one too. Ryan Lindgren. Yeah. And then other notables, Peyton Krebs, Cole Cylinger, Dustin Wolf, Nick Robertson. That's another forward that might make sense. Nico Dawes all over Wallstrom and Connor Dewar, last two of both signed or sorry, have filed for arbitration. So. Okay. I still think it's, I still think it's Mercer. I think given someone who can play up and down the lineup, he can play center or you can play on the wing. He had have been an author last year, but he's, he's also really durable. Like he's played every single game of his career. He hasn't, he hasn't missed a single game and I want to say three seasons, which is insane. Um, so I, I could see it being him, but it's also like, you know, you look at like, what, what's the RFA compensation again? Uh, it used to be on, on cap friendly, uh, but unfortunately I'll see if Puckpedia has it. Surely they do. Like I don't think there'd be an offer sheet. I think it would be a trade just cause like offer sheets are so hard to actually get done in the NHL, especially if it's with a team that has any semblance of caps basically. Yeah. We'll just match it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see what happens. Erf has been wrong before. I will say that. Um, but he does seem to be really harping on them, you know, going after an RFA. Yeah. And every now and then he hits one. So he does. Yeah. For sure. We'll see. Yeah. I just, I just don't trust the fourth period is like an organization, but like he's on like a lot of other stuff too. So this is that, that, that fourth period stench. Yeah. If it was, uh, what's the, what's the, cause like when I, when we were growing up, you go to fourth period for like all these rumors that were like fake, but like I clicked on them because, uh, was fourth period Echland or was that what was Echlands? No, he was, um, oh man. What was Echland's website? Shit. What was it? It was a puck something. What was it? Let's see. Can you see if you looked Echland in a shell now? Echland. No, I know. Hockey buzz. It was hockey buzz. Like now that was some shit that was wrong about everything. Oh my God. That was like the long-standing debate is like what's more reputable, the fourth period or hockey buzz. Yes. And you would just like scroll down that rumors page and be like, ooh. Oh man. Hockey buzz. I remember the Echland. It was like the E one to E five scale. I remember when sportsnet had Echland on one year for the trade deadline, but they like, they like blacked out his face and like, and like changed his voice and everything. Like he was deep throat. It was so funny. Yeah. Oh man. Those are the days. Let's see. Teams reported. I'm on the fourth period now. It's like the first time in a decade. I like Elers. Teams reported a link, Boston, Islanders, Nashville, Seattle, Ottawa, Carolina. Sure. Throw some names out there. Why not? Let's see who's linked to the anyone on this page. Do you think we're going to do you think we're going to see just around the NHL? No. How many more big trades are we going to see this summer? Because I think we'll see at least one, right? Surely you got to see one. It's going to be line A or Elers or natures. Here's something about Lonnie. Is he's in player assistance program? So. Yeah. Teams can't talk to him. Columbus can't talk to him and other teams can talk to him. So I don't think he's traded until he's after after he's out of the program. I don't know when that is. I don't know if it's like in season or not. But yeah, that's probably why it hasn't happened yet, if it is going to happen. And then maybe because it is like later on in the offseason, teams don't have that money available. Maybe they just try and give them another shot because I doubt a lot of teams are like champion of the bit to take on his eight and a half million and I doubt Columbus wants to retain a bunch of money. It's a very tricky situation. How many years does he have left on his contract anyway? Mm hmm. Okay. Man, he really, he was so, he was such an exciting player when he was a rookie. God, his shot was like terrifying. Oh, yeah. It was like the second coming of Timo Solani. Oh, he got some breaking news here. Oh, Calgary flames have revealed their new arena and it is called Scotia Place. Okay. All right. Because it was the Scotia Bank saddle Dom, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I agree. I hope I get to build it. That would be sick. Yeah. When are they planning on breaking ground? This year, I think, I think that the completion is supposed to be for 26, 27 or 27, 28, one of the two. Because the saddle dome like sucks, right? It's like mostly. Yeah. Just bad. It's very old. It's got a large concourse and fairness. Okay. One of the funny thing about the saddle dome is that the concave ceiling is really bad acoustically. Okay. So bands don't like playing there because the sound sucks. Yeah. But also, since it's concave, they, if they have a large stage show with lots of stuff shooting off, they can't bring in their normal stage show because it doesn't fit. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it looks kind of cool from outside because it does look like a, a saddle. Yeah. I think that's cool. Yeah. But it's not a, that the most functional stadium there. So Lonnie makes, this season and next eight point seven. Jesus Christ. So at least it's not like a, the red air. It's not long term. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Some term at that money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I, if I help build the Scotia place and you know, they're doing the interviews and the hallways and it's like, oh, I bent that piece of conduit, see that license over there. All me, they wouldn't be having a lighted interview right now if it wasn't for my hard work. That's all because of you. Yeah. All right. Thanks for listening everybody. Thank you. I'm going to support the show, Patreon.com/IHateThisTeam. I think we're going to do a bonus episode later this week ranking the, the top 10 saddest moments in Canucks history. Yeah. Yeah. Or bottom 10 depending on how you like. Yeah. You know, the 10 worst moments, 10 saddest moments in Canucks history. Yeah. That's going to be a long episode. Yeah. A little three hour feature right there. All right. Thanks everybody. Go Canucks go. Bye bye. Go Canucks go. Houston is agreed to a six year deal with Vancouver Canucks. That's the only score ever. You can run a record. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one. You can run a three to one.
