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Carl Anthony Automoblog Corvette Society & the Rolling Joint Food truck
Ray talks about meeting a cool guy with a cooler car at the Corvette Society Club pizza event. Ray thought it was a Rambler, but Rick's car turned out to be a Studebaker Daytona with a 383 Stroker under the hood that has a minor cooling system error and a super stiff clutch. Carl Anthony from Automoblog.com joins the boys and talks about the recent Hagerty article that Ray had some input on concerning Gen Z drivers. A show wouldn't be complete without dessert, so Ray mentions how he stopped off at the Rolling Joint food truck for a dope treat, check our social media feed to see the pictures. On Instagram: @real_motormouthradio and on You Tube: https://youtu.be/QunlG0TDqWQ
- Duration:
- 58m
- Broadcast on:
- 28 Jul 2024
- Audio Format:
- mp3
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Go ride on Highway 24 to Garden City. Two dollar all day parking includes Pithas!" Pith-day! This is my mother's circle, is this? It's a chopper, baby. This chopper is this? This is it. This is it. This is it, baby. This is it. Yes, that may be dead, but you know what? We're not. Long Island is only a lot more talk show right here in the studio on the island, motor-mouthed radio, your hosts, Ray Guarino, Chris Whitzer. We're here to entertain and bring you the latest and automotive information. Chris, is that correct? Yes. Would you agree? Yes. That is what we're here either that or just to make total pools of ourselves. One of the other. Total pools of ourselves automatically. We've done that before. And today, we do have a special guest. We have Mr. Carl Anthony from Audible Blog that you can't say. Uh, coming in. You mean Audible? Yes. Yes. Carl Anthony will be with us in a very short while and we'll be talking about a lot of great and interesting things that I know Carl has slated for us. Yes. So yeah, you can call. You can talk to Carl because he's going to be in virtually. The number is 516-572-7440. I'd be remiss if I didn't shout out some of our new friends like our buddy Tony. I'm not sure what town Tony is from, but Corvette Tony. 57 Tony. Cool as a smoothie Tony. A new friend of ours. And we went to an event last night, Chris. The wife and I went to the Corvette Society's Pizza Bash. It was that kind of the club kind of get together. The clubs have done that through the years and they'll take some treasury money and like throw a little bash for the membership. Sounds like a plan. So Stan Rivera, great guy, president of the club, El Presidente as we call him. He's the one with the big hat. He sometimes has a big hat. Yes. Stan hosted the event. We had a great time. So Tony there saw another guy, got to meet another guy, went with my friend Rick, Lieutenant Rick, but met another guy named Rick. And I swear when he rolled in Tony says, "Oh, here's Rick." I said, "What's he driving, a rambler?" This two-door black Sedanish roof style car that looked like a rambler. Okay. It was not. It's a Studebaker. Ooh. I didn't look at what year it was. It's got to be 60 something. It's a Studebaker Daytona. Right. So it's a lark. Okay. Yeah, it could have been. He could have found it on a lark. Yeah. I know it was kind of a chance thing. No, the car is called the lark. The Daytona is the designation, the model designation of the lark. It's probably somewhere in the realm of 60, 1962, '63, '64. Okay. So cool car. It's a restaurant he bought from actually the president of the Studebaker club in New Jersey. Oh, okay. So we know he's got something on the ball then. Yeah. And as we were kind of picking it apart, I said to him, you know, you are lucky because all this trim on the side, the stainless. Oh, it was all there? C-pill. Everything was there. I said, probably because he was the president of the club. Was he able to get? I said, if you need any of this in the future, good luck. Yeah. Exactly. You definitely have to join about three or four more Studebaker clubs in order to find all that stuff. But yeah. Yeah. So I asked him, he was a little perturbed because as he said it's called, it was puking. Coolant. And we look over. But Tony, I look over and it was like dripping a little. That's not puking. Coolant. Puking coolant. Right. Right. That's more like dribble it. Yeah. That's a social disease. Are you sure? I'm sure. I'm sure. So I said, you know, what motors in the car? You know, I don't even remember what the hell they came with, you know, back in the day. I don't know. Basically six bangers. There were Chevy sixes. And at the time, I don't know if the eight was still available. I think two, eighty was it the two, eighty three, I think was probably the smallest eight was available in those cars for a certain amount of time. But mostly it was the six, whatever, what was the cube on the six, two, fifty? Something like, well, the Chevy six was two, thirty or two, fifty. Yeah. One, ninety four, two, thirty, two, fifty. Well, this has a transplanted Chevy three, eighty three, a three, fifty stroker, small bloke. Oh, nice. And as soon as we walked over and looked, I said, let me take a look. He opens the hood and I said, oh my God, I said, here's a guy. I said, I've been looking for you. I said, you're like a doppelganger. I said, another man after my own heart, well, he painted the engine black. The whole thing. Oh, for crying out. The motor was black. The valve covers were black. The intake, the air cleaner was black. I'm like, yeah. I said, you know what? I said, you're not going to leave you. We got to walk over to my car. I said, I got to show you so you can both talk about stuff that I don't agree with. Yeah. When I'm in catching health for a few years, I said, you got to see it. So it ends up, well, he didn't, he didn't build a motor. So that really wasn't his choice. It was the last guy's choice. Oh, so he could change it. But his was even blacker than mine. When I looked at my car-- That's pretty black. Yes. And when I looked at my car in retrospect, I had more bright things than he did even. Wow. But still I said, this is just too, too wild to be true. And-- Now mind you, you know, we don't pre-record this. This is like, we don't discuss, we discussed stuff before the show, but you always kind of like surprise me with things. Right. You didn't talk about this, so I had no knowledge of your commonality with this individual. So just letting you know. And that's what I told him. I said, wait till my co-host Chris hears about this tomorrow. I said, I'm going to be talking about this tomorrow. I said, because he's not going to believe it. He's the biggest detractor of what I did anyway. So, you know, we're just conversation. So we're trying to help him out. He had a little bit of a cooling issue. And I don't think it's been. He had a, you know, one of those solid style caps on the radiator where I told him, you need one of those event. I saw him. He said, evented cap like mine where you can vent. I said, put a 16 pound cap on here. I said, if the motor is healthy, I said, I think you'd be fine. I really don't. So I had a penicillin. He'll be done. Yeah. So he was also working through some issues. He's got the hardest clutch in the world, which I thought I owned years ago in my, in this same car that I have now. For you to say that, it's got to be a, a thigh buster, a calf buster. So we got to talking about the intricacies of clutch technology and Z bar. And I explained to him how what I, how I had all those troubles years passed. But now when I put the car back together, I actually used a laser and, and made sure the angles of the arms of the Z bar were where they were supposed to be. I didn't know they were supposed to be anywhere. You throw it in, right? No, but there is, there is a prescribed, you know, place and space that they should be. Just a, just a, at a curiosity, you installed your four speed in your, in your vehicle. It was, it came with an automatic originally. Yes. When you looked at the firewall to, to tack that pedal, wasn't there like two dimples on the firewall where something like that would be? No, no, no. The pedals on the, on the GMA body, they hang off a, a pedal box. That's above, and they, and they hang down from that on a common shaft. So they're in the box. There's nothing, there's nothing that attaches physically welds to the firewall. Well, the, the pedal box would, but that was already there. You know, that's already there. You know, you just add the clutch pedal and, and away you go. Oh, so, so it's, so it's, the, the angle is already predetermined at that point. Well that point. Yeah. What I did have to do was for the Z bar, there's a, well, they call that a cross shaft. There's a ball that goes in either end to let it pivot. And one ball threads into a hole on the engine block in the rear. And directly across from there, there's a tab that gets welded onto the, the chassis that looks like a, like a little V or a piece on a fork. I like where your fingers are. Right. Yes. And the ball that goes on that side has two flat ends on the threaded shaft. So it's flat ends fit into the, into that, that V shaft, and you put a nut on the back. So that could be off, that could be, you know what, something else could be off. So let's see. Let's go to the phones and see what we have here. When we say high quality, you don't want to vote him after that. Yeah. Yes. Hello. Hey, it's pizza Ron. Hey, pizza Ron, what's going on? Pizza Ron. I'm going good. Hey, coming back from a car show down in Millville, New Jersey, went to the Shelby American show. Uh huh. Oh, really, well, yeah. And New Jersey. I'm surprised New Jersey usually has some pretty good pizza. That's what I thought. No. Southern New Jersey. Hard. The dining was good. Pizza was terrible. Wow. You know, I was at a pizza event last night in Hicksville and it was, um, I'm always going to, I always think, I think it feels popularity when I hear the name. It was Papa Lardos. That was the name of the place. Right. Pretty good. Pretty, pretty good. Hey, so, uh, you know, I hit the aisle because usually Hicksville, it's Ramos for me. That's good. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, but I just figured I'd give you a pizza update, but the Shelby American show was really good. All right. Well, thanks for that, uh, Ron. Thanks for the update. Appreciate it. Yeah. No worries. All right. So long. That's one distance Ron from Clinton, New York in fact. Yes. You know, I actually just recently had pizza in a place that I usually don't have pizza in. And I actually, it was so doughy. I called it three AM pizza. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's when it's, you need a slice after what you've been doing up until three AM. You know, you would eat the box. It came in if you, if you missed or didn't know or was right. I got you. I got you. It's standing around with a bunch of knuckleheads in line, barely able to order because you're just throwing your words. Yeah. You're just throwing pizza at you. Right. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Let's go. So anyway, um, to talk about it, to get back before Carl comes in. And clutch. Yeah. Yeah. So the, the Z bar does have some adjustments and of course, from the factory that bracket is welded on, on the assembly line. So, you know, I had to put mine in. So it was always in suspect. And then we talked about how the transmission, he's got the same tremic, uh, T five speed that I have. Oh, okay. And I said to him, you know, was a non hydraulic with a standard, uh, uh, uh, throwing, not a hydraulic, I said, the other thing that I knew that I learned right away was the transmission needs to be installed with the end of that, uh, input shaft, dead nut center to the, uh, pilot bearing on the back of the crankshaft. And if it's off at all, it'll work surely where it will, it'll work. It'll run, but you will have troubles. And I heard some, like there was some clutch troubles and he says, yes, he goes, I read those instructions because they had the installation book and there was an instruction book because I read them both. He was, and they said that he was, did you read that? I'm like, I absolutely did. I said, and, and he goes, you know, what did you do? Well, I set mine up and I used a dial indicator as they indicated. You put the bell housing on the engine and you mount the dial indicator. So it touches the crank. Actually, you want dial indicator to be on the bell housing hole and you turn the motor. And basically you want to make sure that you get, uh, I think they said less than 5,000s run out. And I had like, you know, from zero to three. So I was within spec. So run out, meaning out of, out of concentricity, the circle, consistency, because you have the dial indicator on the circle. And as, as it's turning, the dial indicator is reading high and low spots. That's the, the red. So the way to solve it is if you're, if you're out more than 5,000s, they sell offset dowels that you put now, you take the dowels out of the engine block, put these dowels in that can be turned and can shift the bell housing. You know, oh, one space up, down right or left. Racers have been doing this for years, because they know they, they, they like to get stuff perfect. Sure. And within, within balance, because you think it's out of balance, it's going to probably rob you of horsepower and prematurely wear some burrs and maybe blow up your transmission when you leave the transmission. So I, you know, I was lucky I didn't need to do that because mine was in spec. So again, he doesn't know if that was ever done to that car. I said, you know, I hate to say it, but I think really this transmission has to come out. You got to see what clutches in there. If it was set up, right? You got to kind of re-engineer what the last guy did, right? You know, if you want to drive comfortably because which is, yeah, the first, most frustrating thing to me, when it comes down to building a vehicle that you purchase, you know, a vehicle that someone else had built, there's no book, there's no shop manual, there's no, so no stock spec, you're, you're going with whatever the previous owner did. Yes. That to me makes me crazy. You know, it does. And truth me, I've talked about this, working on cars at the shop, it's the same thing. I don't know what the last guy did to this car, but now I have to work on it. You know, the old's at the shop right now, case in point, I kind of know more about that car. I told you, as soon as I, I know it's been laid up for over 25 years in a garage, as soon as we got to the shop and I put it on the lift, I saw the two blown out mufflers and I said, ah, exhaust valves, I know because my Riviera blew the exhaust valves and blew the mufflers up like crazy. So, but I wasn't sure, I didn't know. So now I got the car running and it ran and it did have a popping out of the right side. I said, ah, that, that's supporting the exhaust valve issue. Right. This week, what I did do is I ran a scope down the intake and a scope down the cylinders and I did a compression test. Compression test was fine. 165 to 175 across the board healthy. That's nice. That's after battle. All the cylinders, all the cylinders on the left bank, 1357, the left side of the engine, the driver's side were dry. They were nice and the pistons look good. All of the cylinders on the other bank, two, four, six and eight, had wet spots on them. Oh, leaky valves. So now I'm getting a step closer to being sure about saying, yes, we have a valve issue here. So, so rebuild the heads on. I actually sent the pin that while I texted the owner and I asked him, I said, hey, Ed. I said, has an Ed maybe you listen to it too? I don't know. I said, these heads have a converted to hardened valve seats for you know, to run unleaded gas. And he said, no, no, I just used to run a half a tank each. I'm like, okay. So now we have antiquated heads with, with softer seats, old guides and, and the valves. And I said, my recommendation is these heads, well, I want to get that intake off and put it on a, a streetable intake, which I found Bobby Jones from the old club has a, has a used performer that he's willing to sell at a decent price. What, what hit, what intake is on that man, a torquer, which is, oh yeah, that's the big old street. That's the street mamba man. That was the hot. Doug, Doug, he's shaking his head right now as like, oh yeah, man, the torquer is cool. If you go on like 3500 and up, you know, that was the high end up. So I said, well, I, that's going to come off anyway. I'm taking the head as well for ready. I know we're putting exhaust manifolds on. Now the next step is I feel good saying, let's take those heads off, send them out. Unfortunately for him, it's going to be more money than if it was just a refresh, because he does need to have the, they're going to put in better bronze guides and they're going to change the seats, which is, you know, it's a bunch of labor and then assess the valves and change them with either so even filled or, or stainless steel, whatever is, you know, where they have. So it's going to be a bigger bill than expected. I'm sure. In the end, you're going to have a car that's going to be turnkey excellent. Kind of like the image just popped up on the screen, that turnkey excellent image who's not paying attention. I'll say it all. No, he's not. He's having technical difficulties, I think. Mr. Carl Anthony. So as soon as he's ready, he'll pop in his call, call pops in. Let's see. Does he have sound? Yes. I have, I have sound. Okay. I don't know what the deal was, but technical difficulties solved. I plugged in one thing, unplugged another. Don't ask me what I did. It was a wild guess. It worked. Here we are, fellas. Okay. Carl, we just, we just watched you getting shocked there for a second. Carl has just revealed to everybody the secret to how we do this radio show. If it doesn't work, we unplug something, plug something back, how many times does that happen to us? Right? Yeah. We're just screw with it. You know, luckily it didn't come to the duct tape and the needle nose pliers, but it was about to. Right. Yeah. We see the flame wrench come out. We know it's getting serious. Oh, yeah. It's like you got to, got to wave the smoke away. You know, you're in trouble. So Carl, sorry. So sorry. I'm a few minutes late. That's all right. Great to have you on with us again. It's always a pleasure. We know, you know, we have to. Yes. Carl, you always make our program very easy. That's, that's what I've only said. What was it? 10% better or something like 512% better. That's very official. That's very official. Yeah. Well, we got to do something official around here. Yeah. Right. He's an officialness that goes on on a regular basis. Carl, I've been reading your article and I'm amazed. First of all, I'm amazed that you had Ray review it as well, but Ray's input in it. I am loving the 2024 Hagerty study, finding Gen Z lovers driving, gravitating towards collector cards. I think this is, this is something that near and dear to my heart as well. I actually was talking to an individual last night who has to be in his early 30s. Okay. And has just recently purchased a model T. Wow. Wow. Yes. And it's funny because he bought, he's into it, big time into it. He sounds like an old man when, when mind you, he's still in his early 30s, but he said he bought a model T, he bought a 23 and he's going to fix that one up so he can start trading it down. He's looking for either a 16 or a 14. Oh, wow. Those are the ones he really wants. Yeah. And I said to him, I said, oh, you got the three pedals and, and he's like, he's looking at me like, like we're talking like dolphins, like he's like, no, you know about the three pedals. Yeah. You know, reverse and break is like the same pedal, you know, we're going back and forth, but he was, it was just astonishing that, that there is life, there is hope in these little tiny pockets of people where some of them are becoming real collectors, but reading your article. I mean, I love Ray's input. Because it was dynamic, which made me openly weep. Yes. Thank you. And, and, and thank you, Ray, and, and what the premise is, is that earlier this week, Haggard, he came out with their 2024 future of driving survey, they surveyed 2000 Americans across the United States to try to determine the role that cars play and their sentiments and their behaviors and some of the things that they found in that survey, once they crunched all the numbers were that 77% of Gen Z said that they either loved or they liked driving that Gen Z and millennials both have either owned or currently own a classic car that there is an emotional connection to driving. So Gen Z will describe driving as making them feel free or adventurous or calm. There's even a section of, there's even a group of millennials and that generational cohorts that like DIY maintenance. And so this tends to push back a little bit on the thought that Gen Z is not interested in cars or they're not interested in driving this. So yeah, Haggard, he's 2024 future of driving study. The article that I wrote is on autumn of blog.com now it's very first article you see when you go there. That's right. Yeah. It's a breakdown of the survey and I messaged Ray, I think Ray, what did we email Tuesday or Wednesday? And I said, I've got to get you some quotes. So Ray does just a fantastic job providing some quotes and some additional perspective, especially about the DIY maintenance about his daughter who's in that generational cohort. And so it's just it this type of stuff is like you said, Chris, there is life out there. Younger generations are interested in cars and that's what this Haggard survey uncovers. I have to say, Carl, I think it was kind of like, whenever whenever you ask me to do stuff like this, it harkens me back to Scotty Gossen, the guy who does our opening song. Scotty had a band and he was a journalist out of Oregon, worked and wrote for everybody and until he got sick and he couldn't do it anymore. But he had me writing for his blog, which was a daily blog. And he would send me an assignment. He used to call me Jimmy Olson and I called him Perry White, you know, because I cover port again. Kid, I need this. Can you do this? Can you get this for me by, you know, by Friday? And it was always like, oh my God. And I knew that his level of detail and the stuff he put into his writing was phenomenally obsessive. And I always felt as soon as I said, yes, like, what did I say? Yes, for I shouldn't say yes. And I was so under the gun and the safe was over my head, but it made me push and get it done. And I think so my best work was done that way. And even with you, the same thing, it was early in the week and you said, Dan, can you get this to me by Friday? I was like, oh, here we go again. And, you know, there was a couple of days where I wasn't around. I haven't been really spent in time by the computer. I actually sat one day and just said, let me just slog this before the plane in traffic show, which I find out you're going to be on this week, by the way. Yes, I will be. I will be. Oh boy. Great. I sat down in the late afternoon and kind of slogged it all out and given the article to my daughter and said, do me a favor, read this. And any comments are appreciated. And she came up with a gem like Jesus, wait, you got that from kid. So yeah, it was, I think because the way we asked you to come on the show was like, hey, you know, Carl, yeah, we're going to be live 10 minutes. What are you doing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because I have a great, Ray would appreciate this. I have a 10 year old now and she's in that Porsche stage. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mine was too. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was the same. Also a Gody stage with when they were on TV. Oh, please. Let's look at that. My most famous quote came out of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I watched Ray suck a word back into his mouth that shouldn't have gone out. It was an F bomb. And I tell you, I literally, as it came out, as it sort of came out, it came back in and I saved it. You never saw. Yeah. I never saw anybody do that before since been in this business a long time. I never saw anybody suck a word back into his mouth. Oh, man. I have that clip. That's a good clip. That's yeah. But it's true. And it seems that I love the fact that these kids are into the business. They want into the cars, but I'm not sure if they know what it entails. The work that goes into keeping these cars on the road and what happens when you actually drive them the complete lack of technology that they are so used to that now they are going to endure. I'm having a problem with my Chrysler. I mean, because I'm so used to like backup beepers and backup cameras and and all and I'm getting used to that. Now I get in the Chrysler and I feel like I'm in a canoe. Yeah. It's like, wait a minute, where's the little thermometer on my dashboard? Why can't I tell what the temperature is outside? It's so I'm starting to get I'm feeling it as well as I'm sure they're overwhelmed by the lack of technology. And I and I think that in the article and Ray, this is where I was really glad to have your perspective on it because in the there is a section that that Hagerty future driving study found that millennials, most people go to the dealership or to a service center and that finding is to be expected. But there is a little over 30% of millennials in the survey that raised their hand and said, I like to do DIY repairs. And so these younger generations who are getting into this ray, you did a really good job in this article laying out the fact that if you want to learn more, you can take night classes at a community college, the board of cooperative educational services, which is the shared educational programs to school districts in the home state of New York, like both into similar programs in your state, that if you want to get more, joining up with a car club. So Ray, I really liked that aspect. And so in your quotes that you gave me, I elaborated on that to say that in effect to say that if you are a young person in this hobby, that there are plenty of resources for you that, yes, you know, you may get into an old car and it may, you know, not having power steering or not having, you know, the radar sensors for the blind spot monitoring and things, just things we take for granted. Not having ABS brakes. Yeah, having ABS brakes, that's ubiquitous today, that every car has them. But that if you want to get better and you really want to enhance your skills and get into the hobby, that there are ways to do it. And then Ray, you said, joining a car club, that's one of the best ways. So I have your quote in there about, you know, that instructors come into car clubs and they're happy that they're, they're happy to share that knowledge with younger people. You know, I went to an event yesterday with a, with a Corvette club and they've done things like this. Now I've worked with a lot of guy, a lot of younger guys. The other way is it's learned knowledge through the family. So I've worked with a good amount of younger guys who had told me, well, yeah, I worked with my uncle and my dad or my grandfather, you know, I said, okay, so let's, let's do this. And, and I found out like, well, where did you learn how to do that? Why are you doing that that way? Actually case in points, they would, they would gapping spot plugs with a field of gauge. Well, my dad showed me how I said, you know what, your dad's wrong. I said, sorry, I'm going to tell you right now. That's not the right way to do it. There's a, there's a gapping tool and I showed, he has all the gapping tools I have. And this is the what's, I said, not that that won't work. It'll work. But if you want to do it the correct way, as prescribed, you do it with, with one of these. So sometimes just because someone has knowledge, it doesn't mean it's right. But that's where a lot of people get this stuff from. And you'll, again, like, we, we just try to pay that forward to back up half a step. We're talking about driving an older car. I had my Pontiac out last night, went to, we went, we went to two events, went to court. I had my wife with me. We went to the Corvette pizza event and on the way back, I said, some of the guys stopped at the food truck on the highway. We got to go and stop. I want dessert. It's, it's the, it's the rolling joint food truck. So, and I got this cake roll. I'll be posting a picture of it. You'll see it. And, and it's for now, it's, it's to die for. But when I drive that car, the one thing, and I don't mind, I, I go right back into the 65 rail, you know, crank windows, you know, it's a manual transmission. It's a resto mod. So it's, it's nicer to drive. But the one thing that gets me, and it got me last week was if it rains and I got to use the wipers, I got to reach down low on the dash to turn the knob to swipe the wipers. I so like, I'd like that the, the stock switch so much better. Yep. Yeah. Beaten by technology. So that's the one thing that I wish if I could change something I would change. But I'm not putting it in after a late model column in the car. So that's not going to happen. You've got to deal with it. Yeah. But that's, that's for sure. That's part of the love of driving to, I mean, whether it's a long road trip or you're just locally to some car shows and, and going out to have coffee or going to a food truck, like that is, that also counts as the love of driving and you go back to the survey where if Gen Z's just like us, you're working a full time job, however many hours a week, and you've got all kinds of extracurricular activities, you have family commitments. And then you do, you get to a Saturday night and there's a car show or you want to go out to the movies or coffee or you want to take a driver in the case where I grew up, you want to go to the county fair, right? Like, that's all part of the love of driving. Let's just get out, get away from our screens, get on the road. And I think one of the best things to happen to the whole collector car movement is this idea that, look, yeah, okay, McLaren's are going to cross the block and they're going to come for, they're going to warrant millions of dollars and record setting Ferraris and Shelby Mustangs and Camaro's and it's like, yes, that's cool. That's awesome. Those pictures are great to post on social media, but the best thing to come out of this hobby is to go for cars that mean something to you from your youth. I've said this on this show many times. For me, it's a 2005 Ford Ranger FX4 Level 2 with a four liter V6 because that was my very first truck when I graduated college and I had my very first full time job. I had a truck fund for Nerf bars and for Tanu covers and all of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, you know, a hundred Mustangs, a hundred Shelby Mustangs could go ahead of me and I'd be like, yeah, that's really cool and I love those cars. But what I really want is that Sterling Gray Ford Ranger from 2005. The best thing to happen to this hobby is that people are going after the cars that mean something to them and that is also being embraced by the hobby. So if I come in and I say, yeah, you know, I want a first generation in the case of this Hagerty study, you know, I want an SUV that I grew up with because my dad drove a Dodge Durango or because my mom and dad had a first generation Ford Explorer in the early 90s. The hobby is embracing that and instead of saying, well, you know, that doesn't count as a collector car because not a performance or a muscle car, it's nice to see the embracing of the hobby to say that all vehicles and all tastes are welcome. And I think that's why you see the diversity amongst Gen Z because had the Hagerty study, this 2024 future of driving study broke all that down and Gen Z's show an interest obviously in SUVs because they would have grown up in that generation, but they show an interest in trucks, they show an interest in sedans, they show an interest even in luxury cars. So the hobby is really all encompassing. I think that's one of the best things that's ever happened or one of the best things that could happen to this hobby is that it's all encompassing like that. What's also well encompassing is the fact that we're at the bottom of the hour and we need to take a break. So I'm going to take the Liberty and do that right now and tell you that our WHPC one of forecasts, which is powered by Pentano's gourmet with locations in Yulett and Uniondale is sponsoring this. The weather today is absolutely, honestly, gorgeous, sunny skies. They say it's going to be overcast at late in the afternoon. It's in the 80s. It's a gorgeous top down day. Cloudy with showers after midnight, low around 70, I'll be sleeping by then, but I'll wake up and look out the window, who cares. And Sundays at 8 AM before us, there's a show, Chris and Carl that is phenomenal. The man does a great job and it's called Jewish talk. Sundays at 8 AM, Rabbi Pearl, he thinks in Jewish but speaks in English and they are right. That's a great way to get the word out to people is, of course, featuring talk about the issues that affected Jewish community. But he, the things that affect people, he's a real people person. Great man. Very, you guys a lot to say you should listen to him. Do we have anything to listen now? On the other hand, we have Chris in the honor group of the hour. Do we have anything that you have to tell us that we should? Of course. Listen or not. Just want to let you know that Jim texted us at 203-670-4127, he said the automobile represents the greatest expression of individual liberty. So, Jim is on board with that as well. And also, after the break, I would love to ask Carl, as far as how did the, what started this Gen Z resurgence of classic cars. Got it. First, let's take a look at the motor earth radio honor group of the hour. If you lent a car part to a friend or neighbor that is still on their car, does one of your buddies have a carburetor they barred from you that you eventually want back? Do you have a set of rims that were given to a friend to use while he saves up for a new set? Have you ever made the statement, "If you sell this car, I want my valve covers back before you do." So if some of your assorted car parts are keeping your friends and neighbors cars temporarily running, then you are part of the motor mouth radio honor group of the hour, Ray. You know, because I know you have. You know, I lent a distributor to a guy up the block in one of the shops that he said, "I just need a friend, you can see this." "Well, I haven't got him back." "I want my freakin distributor back," you know. Thank you. I'm going to go find out this week what's going on. All right. All right. Let's take a break. We'll make it really short. We won't do a, we'll make it a very short group. So we want to get a call back on. We'll be back in a second on more, with more, more mass radio, Ray Guarmino, Chris Switzer and Carl Antony on 90.3 WHPC. Keep it where you got it. My name is Carl Antony with Audible Blog and Audible Vision News and you're listening to Ray and Chris on motor mouth radio, WHPC 90.3 FM. This show on 90.3 WHPC is brought to you by Car Star Celebrity Chase Collision, with two locations in Liberty and Oceanside who remind you that New York state law says you always have the right to choose which shop will fix your car. Car Star Celebrity Chase Collision offers a full range of services, 24 hours hoeing between Manswacher Manhattan, shuttle service, and they can help you with a rental car arrangement if needed. All repairs include the Car Star Lifetime nationwide warranty, ensuring that the experts at Celebrity Chase Collision are always on your side. E.C. Ablamos españores. More information is available at 516-593-0920 or online at celebritychasecollision.com. Hey you, get over here. Every Sunday, 12 to 1, you are going to tune in to hear the motor mounts, my friends Ray Guarmino and Chris Switzer, 90.3 FM, WHPC. You might learn something. Yeah, we hope you learned something, actually we learned something too because it goes both ways on this show. So let's surf on into the second half of this show with that gnarly sax. Oh man. I was getting into some cool music this week, that's the top for another story. So Karl, back to you. You got the floor. What's on your mind? It would turn on the gensiers to classic cars. So it's a really good question and Hagerty's future driving study went into this. There's sort of several things that seem to be happening all at once and first is social media. So whether that's Instagram and YouTube or cited as the two biggest influences but the idea is that if Gen Z is online and they have their phone and this really goes for any generation because I'm an elder millennial was born in 1981. So that's elder millennial for me but there are plenty of opportunities to discover automotive content through YouTube, through Instagram, through any number of social media platforms and of course Gen Z has gravitated towards those types of social media platforms for automotive content. Once they see that content and once they're exposed to it, then from there they try to go out and actually find it in person. So that's one of the key connections here is that yes, they may consume it on a platform like YouTube but they are keen to get out and go to a car show. They are keen to get out and go to an auto show if they have one locally. So for example, I mean, it doesn't have to be a big like a Chicago auto show or Detroit auto show doesn't have to be a big one like that. But any car show that may be locally in their city that happens annually, maybe they're going with friends, maybe they're going with a family member, maybe they're going with the dad with an uncle with a grandma and grandpa, right? But the point is is that they're getting out and actually seeing these cars, whether it's a huge auto show or it's a cars and coffee at a local coffee shop. So you've got that happening, you've got the on screen exposure, if you will, and then you've got the in person exposure. And then further to that is the same stuff that would have likely inspired us. So we go back to film and television and some of those more established mediums. So for baby boomers, it's a movie like American graffiti. For somebody who grew up in my generation, it might be something like Fast and Furious. For somebody else, it might be James Bond and his Aston Martin's. It might be Randall Memphis Reigns and you're talking Nicholas Cage and Gone in 60 Seconds, which was the remake in 2000. Yeah, watch the original. Yeah. So that type of stuff is that type of stuff resonates with every generation at some point. So film plays a huge role too. So just to give you an example, last week, I was out in Sioux Falls back visiting family. So Danielle, my wife, Danielle, and my mother and my brother. So Alex Hartman, Alex and I work together on Audumablog. So all of us went to the West Mall 7, which is a theater that's in Sioux Falls. If you live in Sioux Falls, everybody knows the West Mall, but we went out to the theater to see Twisters, the remake of the 1996 film. And most people who are into Dodge trucks or Ram trucks will remember in 1996 that Bill Paxton drove a red Ram 1500. And that was in the prime of the new Dodge advertising era where when you would watch on TV, every single Dodge would be red and they would come out with the Viper and then the Dodge, the little snake would come out with it and the Intrepid and the Stratus and the caravan and all the vehicles were red. And watching Twisters, this 2024 remake, one of the characters, the tornado Wrangler, is driving a Ram 3500 with a Cummins. He's driving a Dually. One of the characters is driving a Ram TRX. And as I'm watching the movie, I'm listening for the supercharger of the 6'2" Hemi and the Ram TRX. As they're going through the fields and they're bouncing up and down and chasing the tornado, I'm like, I bet that Ram TRX, I bet that suspension is in Baja mode. So that type of stuff is if I'm into Ram trucks, I may have at my age, say I'm 42, I'll be 63 this year. I like Ram TRX just in general, but I can go back to 1996 and watching Twister in 1996 in the theater and back in rural Iowa and because a tornado had actually come through our neighborhood two summers prior. So we were very keen to see the movie Twister when you grow up in that part of the world, right? And I remember in Twister and Bill Paxton, the red Ram truck and driving through the house, you know, and the house rolls on the highway and stuff and thinking that was just the coolest thing. And then now here all these years later, almost 30 years later, I'm watching the remake of Twister's, watching the reimagining of it going, wow, I really love Ram TRX. I'm sitting in the theater at West Mall 7 in Sioux Falls. You know, my brother and I are looking across at each other being like, yep, that's the supercharger there for that 6'2" Hemi, right? So there are some, so to get Gen Z into the hobby is probably the same way we came in through film, through television, through firsthand exposure of auto shows or car shows or grandma and grandpa or mom and dad, right? And then unique to Gen Z then would be the social media aspect, right, where they're getting it on YouTube and Instagram that maybe we didn't necessarily have so much back in the day, but we benefit from now because we all have phones. So that's kind of how they're coming into the hobby and then sustaining it and then saying from there, yes, I want to own a classic car or a collector car. I have a thought about this. Yeah. You just took me back when you're talking about how you're involvement with these things. I'm thinking, what was my involvement? So, okay, when I was a young kid, all we had was, we had movies, certainly old movies, but we had TV. I know the guys before me coming up through the '50s and the '60s, you know, they just got out and worked on their cars, they just got out and built them and damned to be. It's what everybody did. Now, I saw Tony's Corvette list yesterday, which is a '57 and it's painted beautiful. It's like an aqua, aqua-colored green and with white coves and a white and green interior. And the first thing I think and it's set up with lower suspension, it's a driver, beautiful car. But the first thing I think of when I see that car is seeing hot rods to hell on Channel 7 at midnight, you know, back in 1968 to '70s, '71s, that was my involvement. And you know, it's so different. So I wonder, I almost want to say what, selfishly, correct me if you think I'm wrong, I may be, that I think back then, we had no other choice but to get out and work on the car and build the car and just do something with the cars. They weren't really in the movies yet as they are now. So now the Gen Z's go forward. They have all of that stuff that came before them plus now all the remakes of the movies that are there and they can, and even yourself, Carl, you have that personal interaction. So I wonder, you know, and just to put it out there, I wonder how that shaped all of our different age range groups moving forward. We're all still doing the same thing and still involved in it. Maybe it's at different levels, maybe some to more and some less. But I think it's, there's been a parody that's been established and, you know, going forward as long as I'm alive, I want to keep my eyes and ears on this because I'm very curious. You always think like, I know a lot of the younger guys that I've mentored and helped along, they didn't come up with dirt under their fingernails and they weren't, you know, they didn't have 90 weight in their hair, you know, when they were in middle school. You know, I did. So you'd kind of tend to want to own it because you lived it. You should wash your hair once or twice. Get that stuff. I should, I should. But, you know, so I wonder if, you know, if the buy-in is not as deliberate, to pick a word, if it's still going to be as long lasting, you know, now I'm driving the car that I, you know, I heard about a guy last night who owns a 64 GTO. He bought a brand new. He's here on the island and he couldn't get delivery because it was damaged in transit. The one they had in the dealership they wouldn't give him because it was going to the world's fair. So he still has the car. He's 86 or 88 years old. And I told the guy last night, I said, you know, usually in the Pontiac groups, I'm the guy that has the car the longest. I'm usually the guy, because I've had mine since 1975, I said, so I usually get that honor. I have to, you know, I have to belay it to him. That's the torch. I said, but that's okay. That's fine. You know, he's an original owner. That's great. But just to add to that, you know, I always think about when we were kids, those cars were just old cars. They were just old cars. It's all they were. There were no classics by all means. The classics were Doos and Birds and Packards. There were no classic Pontiacs at the time. But I think now what is taking over with Gen Z is the fact that a lot of the people they relate to on television, like you say, a lot of singing stars, a lot of actors, all seem to own classic cars as well. Yeah. Like it used to be at the time, just Jay Leno and Jerry Seinfeld own classic cars. Right. Now there's a bolo down rap stars now. Right. Now, rockers now. They're hundreds of big ones. Yeah. Kevin Hartson. And SEMA. Right. That's true. Right. You know, D. Snyder is a big one. Yeah. There's a bunch of them that now own classic cars. So when kids see that, I think that that is like an open door to, Hey, I want one too. They have one. You know what? But it kind of ties into something I wrote to Carl in my replies. You know, it's all, it's like, you know, it's all good and fun. You know, horse around with your friends until someone punches you in the nose. You take a shot with nose and you're like, Oh, wait a minute. You know, it's all good and fun well and good until you start to pull an engine. You come in dirtier than, you know, than hell. And then you realize that you can't clean this off to go to work or school tomorrow. It's there. That's where a lot of guys back off and say, Oh, that's not for me. And that's okay. That is okay. I'm just saying, you know, in the earlier days, even the guys that preceded us, you had to do that to have a car to road. I had to know how to work on a car to get my first car or else I wasn't driving, you know, so the, I mean, good for them. The buy-in is easier. You can buy a car and just, but when you do have to repair it and when something breaks on the road, all right, we all have agony. We call them. We pick me up, but you know, I've made plenty of roadside repairs. You know, is that knowledge base going to be there is so, you know what, maybe the hobby is going to change. Maybe that's what's going to happen. It will change in a different direction and that'll be okay as long as it still survives. I think. And sometimes I wonder if there's, because I've asked the same questions, Ray, because I'm like, well, you know, I'm only, you know, like my vantage point only goes back so far. I mean, okay, maybe transformers when I was a kid and the cartoons and Optimus Prime was a semi. And I'm like, but what about what people would have seen in the 1940s and the 1950s and such and sometimes I wonder and if the parallel is similar to music in some ways, like how different generations discover music. So back in the day when I was in broadcasting school 20 years ago, I went to Iowa Western and Council Bluffs. So other side of the Missouri River just over from Omaha and in downtown Omaha at the time, there was a, there was a huge record store down on the old market called Homer's and they had other locations around Omaha. But any kind of records that you could find, CDs, cassette tapes, I mean, it was an Omaha institution and you might go down there and you would talk to people who would say, I discover all my new music simply by being in here and browsing the record store. And then you would have another group of people that was like, well, I get my new music from there, but I also listen to the radio. I also listen to FM radio. And then like things like my space started to happen. And then bands would put their music players online and then people like, well, I'm discovering new music online and then fast forward to the day. And you probably have a number of people who are discovering new music on something like a Spotify or a YouTube. I didn't have MTV growing up, which made me an anomaly in broadcasting school, particularly a station that was an active rock station that was broadcasting regularly as core artists, Pearl Jam, Sound Guard, Nirvana, and all of those bands. I didn't have MTV. So I didn't have a ton of exposure to that music growing up in rural Iowa, not until I went and actually worked in radio. But there was a number of people in my generation who would have discovered music through MTV. I was still classic FM radio or AM radio for the old AM standards and big band music and things like that. Sometimes I wonder of how generations discover cars if it's very similar to music or if there's some kind of parallels through there because the way somebody in the late 1960s would have experienced the rolling stones or the who is far different than somebody would have experienced them in 2020 or we got to get together one night and sit around the table and have a couple of drinks and talk because this I have thoughts on all of you know, I got music my influence from my older brother's 10 years older me. I used to listen to his records when it doesn't around. So I go 10 years prior to what people my age listened to and still listen, you know how I'm getting new music now? I put five CDs in the CD player in a garage, I put it on shuffle and the CDs that I have, no in love. But I'm here in tracks that I never listened to before like, hey, what's that? Oh wow, that's a good one. So I'm here in like 30, 40, 50, 60 year old music or new again because I just hadn't listened to the whole damn CD. Yeah. And the funny thing is I'm not getting any news because I listen to the radio and the lot of the stuff that I listen to. I just listen to the art of radio. Sure. Right. So that's your gig. Yeah. I just listen to how they're putting together radio, top 40 radio nowadays. So the music to me is, yeah, the music to me is secondary. And it's still one big long disappointment. So it's I'm not into the music because the way it's presented is lost, that art that I learned back in the mid 80s, there's no way up to intro a song. So my new music is non-existent, it's very frustrating because now I just listen to jazz. The other thing that really makes me laugh, yes, they were watching sitting in the kitchen and Fox was on my wife's watch from Fox and I said, you know, I said, I can't get over watching her talk about politics. She's what? I said, Kennedy, you know, one of the hosts on Fox on Fox. She was in it. She was the wife. She was an MTV DJ in the 80s. She was one of the original VJs and now she's doing like political. So I can never see her out of that MTV realm. And now she's doing, you know, political stuff. But so again, that's that that happens with actors and actors all the time. See them out of their world in your, you know, doesn't come, does not compute, does not compute. So it's, well, we're coming to the end, Carl. We only have a few, a few minutes left. So we have to make our thoughts a little succinct if we have any, that if you have any wrap up that you want to lay on us? And here's the thing, you know, when my mom listens to this show and I love my mom has been very supportive of my career and automotive because I've been playing with matchbox and Hot Wheels cars since I was a kid, you know, when I grow up and I'm like, oh, and grow up me a car guy, you know, she was never like, don't you think you want to get a real job? She's always been supportive. And so I'm sure that my mom is listening today and mom is always like, you know, when I listen to you and Chris and Ray, she goes, I feel like you're just three buddies and a bar, having a beer. And she's like, and I'm just sitting over in, in, in, in the table next to you guys. I wish we were. Ray, when you're saying that what, what we need to do is to just have like a two hour show where it is just music and cars and we just, we could do a whole hour show just on music alone. And I know we've talked about it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But drawing these connections and these parallels between different generations and music and cars and trying to find the connection and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I love this show because we go deep like I'll tell you what, it's always such a pleasure. On Thursday night, you come on playing in traffic, we'll do our thing for a while. I said, stay for the after show. You know, unfortunately, you know, we used to have Chassis, John, our good buddy, and John and I took it to the music side because we're both very much into music, both drummers and into, you know, same with the same age, usually a month older than me. And that kind of went away, you know, we do it a little bit once in a while, but because because we have back on man Brian, another great friend and, and I asked Brian once, I said, dude, I said, you got to be a bass player, right? You know, because, you know, six threes, like, you know, I said, you got to be the bass player because now I don't play the bass. I'm sorry. I'm like, what are you playing? I don't play anything. Like, damn it. I said, you're going to be the bass player anyway. So we'll, we'll do some music and, and cars if you're interested on Thursday night. And I'll get my PJs and snuggle in. Right. Right. Well, phone to my ear. Look, muggle writing. Tell me if you're awake, I'll send you the link and you can, and you can come in. I got this. I have that power. The car guys think about though, this is the stuff we think about, whether we're on the air like this, or, or whether we're not or just, you know, whatever we're doing, this Haggity, this 2024 future of driving survey. When all we hear is, you know, Gen Z doesn't want to drive or younger generation aren't into cars. And granted, some of that is true that there's documented evidence that shows that younger people are not into cars like older generations driving in the love of cars does tend to taper as with each generation, if you were to compare baby boomers to Gen X to millennials. There is a tapering of that interest in cars overall, but that doesn't mean it's non-existent. That's the difference. Right. I couldn't wait to start driving. I was driving a year before I had a license. Yeah. And it's, it's so funny because kids today have Uber, they have Lyft, they just use their phone. You know what? And a car shows up. I'm glad you said that. I noticed both of my daughters, one's a millennial, one's a gen and Gen Z, they will Uber all over. They'll spend a lot of money. You bring because they're going to go out to a restaurant to a bar. My younger daughter, my younger daughter was at a friend's house this weekend, had the wife's car and, and sent to Texas. Listen, I'm going to stay here tonight because I'm going to have another drink and I want to. I was like, wow, that's not my generation. Like we got home to know how we got home didn't know if we got home. The car. Where's the car? And that regard, Uber, Uber is really good. Uber is really good. In charge of that stuff. It's safer in that regard. The other side of the coin is Chris, like you said, was it Jim who texted earlier? Yes. Is that is to Jim's point, Uber is very convenient. I use Uber when I travel for business and I go downtown in a different city and I don't have a rental car to get to meetings and business stuff. Yes. Uber is super convenient. The other side of what Jim is saying is that you don't have freedom with an Uber. You don't have freedom to drive. You don't have freedom to pick up and go when you want to go on your schedule. And I think that's what Gen Z is really after. Gen Z are like, again, just like us, I'm working a million hours a week. I got a hundred things going on. I need to get myself involved in something that's not work. Collector cars are for me. I don't want to think about work, I don't want to think about emails. I don't want to think about my job. I want to go out and I want to be with my collector car, whether that's working on it or whether that's driving. And so I think cars are offering that outlet for Gen Z and I think that's what's really driving underneath. That's what's driving that gravity. That's what's driving the reason why Gen Z is gravitating towards collector cars. Go for it. Go for it. I hope you're right. That gets sustained and moves forward because, yes, unlike Ray, I want to see the copy change and evolve and continue. Well, it's a pleasure, fellas. Thank you again. We'll see you Thursday night. Chris, what do we say? The people out in the parking lot waiting for me. Don't follow us home. Get that classic car on the road. You got it. See you soon, Carl. Thank you very much for Chris, what's our regular owner, Carl Anthony. Motormouth ready. We'll be back next week with more on 90.3 WHPC. See you fellas. Thanks. (upbeat music)