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Long Legs (2024) - Spoilers! #512

Stevie, Pappy, and Korey (Kylo) review a spoooky Nicolas Kim Coppola Cage movie: Long Legs! A surprise summer hit!

FBI Agent Lee Harker is assigned to an unsolved serial killer case that takes an unexpected turn, revealing evidence of the occult. Harker discovers a personal connection to the killer and must stop him before he strikes again.

Release date: July 12, 2024 (USA)

Director: Oz Perkins

Distributed by: Neon

Budget: <$10 million

Cinematography: Andrés Arochi

Produced by: Dan Kagan; Brian Kavanaugh-Jones; Nicolas Cage; Dave Caplan; Chris Ferguson

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Duration:: 1h 6m
Broadcast on:: 29 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

Do you remember anything? Yeah. It's like a long dream. It's so dark. The world of dark. Like, I know where. Do you hear in there? I don't ever want to forget him. ♪ Diva sha ♪ ♪ Diva sha ♪ I did not have sexual relations with that belt. Hey, you did. My name is Bill Clinton and I like the saxophone. Surprising cameo, right? Surprising cameo. Bill Clinton is there to establish that this is the 90s. Is that it? That's why the photo of him is on the wall. I mean, there's a flashback and Nixon is on the wall. Oh, that's a good point. I mean, like, that's a great cheat code for no cell phones, though, right? Absolutely. It's the greatest cheat code in all of movies. Just put something in the 90s. I mean, if you get a movie to work in the 90s, you're golden. Just put everything in the 90s. Forever. Well, this is your host, Stevie. And we're going to be spoiling a new movie by Nick Cage. Exciting. We're going to be spoiling Long Legs, which just came out in theaters. I have a question for you guys for an opening question is, did you watch the trailer or any kind of media material going into this movie? And did it kind of, I could say, did it kind of match up with what you thought it was going to be? Or was it way different? Corey, let's start with you. Yeah, this is Corey. This is Corey, Kylo Ren memes. I did watch the trailer, and I think I looked it up on IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes to see, like, is this a detective movie or is this a horror movie? And both led me in the direction of it being a horror movie, which I think took away some of the enjoyment for me, because it's actually less that than I thought it would be. So, I kind of went in with an expectation. It's always best to go in with no expectations. And I do like this movie, but I didn't find that to be problematic. Like, it did affect my viewing experience. Just, it wasn't scary enough, or... Uh, yeah, I would disagree with the stuff that, like, I saw, like, in terms of the marketing, like, the trailer. Scary is really the decade. I didn't necessarily think it was, like, on that level of a horror movie. And it is somewhat of a horror movie, but I think it's, you know... It's also, like, a detective thriller. And to me, that takes prominence. This is Pappy, recorded from Goshen, Indiana. I feel like, uh, five, six years ago, there was a trend where every movie was touting itself as the scariest movie ever made, and I think it started with the hereditary. But I went into this completely cold. Like, I was shocked, Stevie, that you're like, we're gonna go see long legs. 'Cause you and the wife, I mean, you got two little kids at home. You don't have time to go out on dates. It's hard to get out, yeah. Especially ages of one and three. It's hard to get out of the house. You gotta pick your spots. And the fact that you picked long legs, I'm like, well, maybe I'll see it then. So, I went on a Tuesday night, you know, totally cold. Knew nothing about it other than, like, what you and Mikey had said. And there were, like, 20 people in the theater, which, for a little Linway, was a lot of people on, like, a Tuesday night, $5 showing. So, I went in pretty cold. It wasn't exactly what I was expecting. But I will say, speaking of trailers, I'm pretty excited for twisters. But that sounds like a lot of fun. I don't know. That Glenn Powell guy. He's so hot right now. He is so hot right now. He might be climbing up the Jake ladder a little bit for me. I think you're looking good. You don't like him, Corey? He's fine. But you know who's third building that movie? Anthony Ramos. Oh, Hamilton. Cannot stand that motherfucking guy. Why? He's baby Hamilton. Maybe it's because I haven't seen Hamilton, but I just fucking... You're not missing much. He has like... He put a black mark on his whole career for me with Transformers Rise of the Beast. Like, I will never be able to forgive him for that. Like, he's just such a generic dude in that movie that I'm going to always see that colored in his various performances. There was a time where, like, post-Hamilton, Holly would have been trying to make all of them happen. Like, his defeat digs. But in anything, like, he was in that blind-spotting movie. But I feel like he hasn't been in much either. And even Lin-Manuel Miranda has been relegated to, like, disney kind of shuffles him to the side for things. I don't know. Hamilton wasn't what it was because of people like Stevie who ate it. I just... I didn't hate it. What I hated was the fact that, like, it was released on it. Was it Disney Plus? Is that what it was? Yeah, I think so. People are calling it the movie of the year. I'm like, "It's really not. It's fine." I mean... It's Cats on VHS. It's not... It is. It's Cats on VHS. And it's like, people are like, "Oh, this is the best movie of the year." I'm like, "It's three performances, melded together. I don't dig Hamilton that much. I'm sorry. It just doesn't do it for me." God, it would have been so awesome if Lin-Manuel Miranda wasn't long legs. He would have been a good long legs. Dude, he would have been a better long legs than Nick Cage, but we can get to that. You really didn't like him that much. I mean, are we getting into it? Yeah, so let's get into it. "Long legs" is a movie that was written. What really piqued my interest was the fact that this movie was written and directed by Osgood Perkins, who is the son of Hoopap. I don't know. Oh, come on! Anthony Perkins? Okay, Norman Bates. Norman Bates from Psycho. His son, who, for those of you who also don't know, is the nerdy guy in Legally Blonde? Hmm. I don't remember the nerdy guy in Legally Blonde, but I did see that this dude had done some acting, which I think is, you know, kind of cool. I think he's going to be known for this right now, you know, like this is his big thing. Yeah, so that's what really piqued my interest. Then you get the fact that I watched a trailer, which was not at all what I thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to be prisoners meets hereditary, which I did not really get that at all. I mean, even if there was absence of horror, I was hoping we get more kind of detective thriller, which I don't think we got a whole lot of. It's just an oddly paced movie, to say the absolute least, but Papal kind of sent it to you. Like, how does this movie like start out and kind of set the tone for the rest of the movies? It's very odd. Yeah. Well, first of all, there's, it's prominent in the trailer too, but there's like these blood red title cards too. I wrote that down because I don't know, it really stuck out to me and I like the poster actually quite a bit. I mean, there's not a lot of that red then throughout the movie, but it really sticks out. And even like the way that they use those credits, there's some at the beginning and then we get to meet our main bad, long legs himself. I think that's the first thing. Right away, yeah. And I'm going to fuck up these aspect ratios. What is it when it's a square, like a TV? Four three? Yeah, it's in four three. I remember thinking like, huh, is this whole movie about to be in four three? Like, did I? Did I fix a wrong theater? Yeah. Well, it's not just in four three, right? It's if the flashbacks are, but it's also like letter boxed, right? Yeah. It's like, the memories are like looking at old photographs, which photographs become a part of the story at some point. So I think there's some connection to that. But I like that, like looking at the flashbacks is like looking at these old pictures. And we get, we get some clues as to what this long legs fella is up to, right? Like, there's a girl, we don't know who she is through this flashback, but she's looking at a car. She sees a strange mysterious figure, which we'll talk about that later, but that doll has gone on to be quite the meme on the internet that I've seen. And then she meets long legs, Nick Cage himself. We don't see him. I think we only see his long legs, I think in this beginning. We see at the bottom of his face. Okay, we see the bottom of his face. I believe there's also a little bit of a jump scare here, right? This movie doesn't shy away from a couple, like, pretty big jump scares that did make me, like, in my seat in the movie theater, react. Yeah, I mean, I did like the creepy beginning part of it when she's, like, looking out her window, and you see that station wagon roll up. And the cool part to me was the fact that, like, it appears there's two people in that car, right? Yeah, the guy, the black lady. The doll. You can call the doll. You can call the doll. Yeah, but just like in a shroud, right? It's not like, you can't see the doll. I would call it black ride, yeah. Yeah. And boom, long leg, second set of credits. We're in the movie. Yeah, and that's like the cool part to me was like, that was like probably one of the more creepy part of the movie was the fact that, like, long legs in there. And neither is that doll. And I'm just like, what the hell? Can I say two? Long legs? Kind of a fucking stupid name for a movie and a villain. Like, we were, who renamed the thread to Josh Long legs? Is that you? Cory? Or is that Mikey? Mikey who did that? Like, it's kind of silly. You know what I mean? It's a little goofy. It's a weird title to, like, tell people that you're going to see this movie called Long Legs. Yeah. Right? It's like telling someone you're going to see Wet Hot American Summer. Like, they think it's something other than what it is. This other spider is where it's porn. One of the two. Yeah, is that like some kind of, like, sexy, like, you know, fucking, what's that movie where the, it's like a BDSM? Whatever. I think it's some horny movie and it's not really. Infomaniac? I don't understand why that's his name though. I don't know. Um, Osgood Perkins in an interview talked about it. Um, he pretty much said that, like, he never really heard it. Like, you speak it out loud and it sounds very different. He said that, you know, Long Legs is something that you would see like on the side of a car in the 70s. That would kind of signal to like, you know, this is someone who's groovy. Um, but he was like, it really doesn't play into his lore at all. He just liked the way that it sounded. He thought, you know, he liked it the title the way it kind of rang out like that. And, um, he just kind of thought it was an nostalgic name for the 70s. It feels like it's a movie that's like more broadly, right? Like, this movie is somewhere in between, it's neon, but somewhere in between like the 824, um, what do people used to call it? Like, new horror, like, you know, like, uh, horror that was good. Like, it was contemporary refined horror. Oh, yeah. It's in between that and like, uh, a lot of tropes that are like well established within the horror genre. And it's like, it's almost like launching this new horror villa, right? Like, I can just picture like some stupid fucking, uh, like Instagram posts with like Freddy Krueger and Chucky and Jason and Long Lakes are all there chilling. Oh, well, people are going to be cosplaying Long Lakes. No doubt. Oh, yeah. Yeah. More conventions, man. People dress up as some crazy shit. Long Lakes Halloween costume. I'm not against horror con, but like, I mean, Long Lakes didn't even look that good in the movie. How good is it going to look like at a convention? I think Long Lakes looked great. You think so? Yeah. I like Long Lakes. I like Nicholas Cage. Here's my controversial take, I guess, from within this crowd. I think a lot of people, uh, came away with what I came away with. Nick Cage highlighted the movie. Really? Really? Super creepy. Doodler Energy, which, uh, you know, adds to the creep factor. The dude is just gross, right? Like, you wouldn't want to fucking touch this guy. He's so disgusting, and he talks like a diddler. He's so fucking gross. And, of course, he makes dolls because that's weird. He's a fucking weirdo creep. Somewhere around the middle of the movie, we could just spend, like, an extended amount of time with Long Lakes, which I thought was an interesting choice. And I-- On the track you're going, Corey? Yeah, I like it. Yeah, because it's like, we see how he's interacting with people. Around him, and, like, when he has to do things like go to the hardware store, how fucking revolted everybody is by having to interact with Long Lakes. I-- I don't know. There were times, especially during, like, the interrogation sequence, where I felt like Nick Cage was in a different movie than everybody else. Brother Ellis said something very interesting to me. Shout out to him. He really liked this movie. It's his favorite of the year so far, and this dude sees a lot of stuff. Um, he said it-- he's like a Batman villain. Yeah, I think it is. Once that clicked in his mind, it probably elevated this for me. I didn't think about it at the time of viewing, but after he brought it up to me, definitely fits like a Batman villain, especially with, like, the detective aspect. It's almost like this would be, like, you know, a five-run issue of Batman, like, figuring out this guy and what his, like, MO is and stuff. Corey, I'm glad that you liked Long Lakes Lobby. Know who I really liked in this movie? Alicia Whit. Not terrible. Not terrible. Uh, no. Make him in a row. She is a fantastic actress. Mm. She's been in a lot of movies we talked about. She was the main gal in the guest, right? Yep. And you guys did one on It Follows, I think, before my time. Oh, yeah. I was trying to figure her out in this movie by, you know, as I was going through it when we get introduced to her, like, what is going on behind the scenes with her? Because her performance is so weird. She's such a weird person in the movie because she, she doesn't express herself, but she always, her name's Harker. Harker always looks like she's on the verge of bursting into tears at any moment. Like, there's, you know, there's something behind those eyes going on that you don't know for quite a while. And also, probably intentionally, she gives off a little bit of Clarice Starling energy. Just slightly. Mm-hmm. Maybe somewhat intentional, I imagine, right? Gotta be. Yeah. I mean, I think so. You just do to, like, the, you know, detective/FBI investigation aspect of this movie. That's such a prominent part, right? It being, like, an investigation of, like, why people are dying. And I really enjoyed the beginning because I told Pap, like, I had a lot of people pissed off at the end of this movie. They were leaving my theater just because of how it did end. And it's, like, if you kind of look for it, it's there the entire movie. Mm-hmm. I mean, which part do you mean? 'Cause there's a few layers. The supernatural aspect of it? The supernatural stuff? Yeah, the supernatural stuff. Like, it's there from the very beginning, especially when she was just, like, you know, her and her partner in the FBI are, like, scoping that house or houses to find a serial killer. And she's just like, "Oh, it's that one." And, I mean, intense beginning, for sure, but it's like, you know, they kind of start going down this realm of, like, you know, she's psychic and, you know, kind of going into those things. And I think by the end of the movie with the reveal that we get that it's actually Satan all along, it's kind of tapping her shoulder, it makes sense. I mean, even the T-Rex quote, like, from that Beggagong song at the beginning, right? Which I love that Long Legs is into, like, 70s glam rock, like, that's like, he's got some posters in his basement dwelling or whatever. But the quote is like, "You're, it's dirty, sweet, near my girl," or something like that, like, implying that, like, yeah, he picked her as, like, this agent of being able to help. Mm-hmm. The name Harker Lee, too, very close to the author of Tequila Mockingbird's name. Harper Lee? I kept thinking that the whole time, like, what a weird Harker? I've never heard of anyone named Harker. Yeah, it is kind of an odd name. It is one that sticks out, though. Harkonnen? Lee? Harkonnen. It's funny, too, because Alicia Whit, the mom, she was in Dune. She was in the '84 Dune. She played the equivalent character of Anya Taylor-Joy in Dune Part II. In the '84 Dune, she's like a little kid. She's actually, like, born. And she's that little kid in that movie. So there you go. There's the connection. She's awesome. I love her in this. I thought she had this, like, weird, like, this weird energy, and she's that kind of low-key funny, too, right? There's a couple of times we're on the phone, and I think at one point they're describing, you know, she's like, "I don't want to tell you, mom, it's too grizzly." And the mom's like, "You know, I was a nurse for eight years there, hon." Like, I'm supposed to... Great clip, too. I got a bit left. Yeah. I've seen some shit. Yeah. I kept thinking of that meme that you guys shared. "Bitch, you live like this. You've got the mom's house. Her place is like a complete hoarder pigsty, it's so disgusting." But after her partner's head gets kind of blown off, that's when she's kind of thrown into the fray of being interviewed by the FBI. They're trying to crack, you know, this case of long legs. And Corey, what's kind of long legs is, how do I put this, kind of like his calling card in life, especially when it comes to murders? Well, he has picked up a cue from the Zodiac himself. He leaves like coated letters behind signed long legs in English, but the rest is like coated letters, you know, those are found at each site where there's like a dead family left over. But the point of the investigation is I'm trying to figure out like how it is that these people are dying, right, because if there doesn't seem to be any sign that the killer long legs is like entering and committing the murders, somehow, at least in some confirmed cases, the families are killing themselves and each other. Yeah, and I mean, I think he's at what 13 or 14 families so far. This has been going on for decades. Not a whole lot of clues be left behind and like the big kind of like one is what happened when it comes to birthdays. There's always a daughter whose birthday is on the 14th of the month. I believe. And there's a cipher or like some kind of sign by which the date of the murder will correlate to that 14th birthday, like moving out a couple of days, moving in a couple of days to where it makes like the six days when we're at the other. Yeah, the triangle Satan symbols on when she plots it out in a map, which, you know, I mean, like you were saying people were mad that this is a supernatural movie. It would be hard to move the story along without a harker having, you know, this Claire Boyance, right? Like there's the case is cold, ice cold and all of a sudden she's just breaking it wide open. What's kind of like her boss to, you know, he said, played by what's his name? He's in so much. I feel bad now. What is his player under wood? Player under wood. He's awesome in this movie too. He's awesome. He really is. Yeah, like he points out to part in, you know, somewhat through the movie, like three decades not a thing. You come along, all of a sudden things are moved on a clip. Like you would think at some point too, he'd be like, what's your birthday? And she's like the 14th of January. He's like, Oh shit, my daughter's birthday is also on the 14th. We might be in trouble. We might be in trouble. I mean, I would think that would be his first thought, right? The birthday thing is set up pretty early on and then not too long after Harker is invited to the kid's birthday and you know, you know the connection right there, I think, right? The birthday thing. It's pretty obvious. It's too easy almost. Like it's almost too easy. It's handed to you on a platter and I think like there could be something done differently at the end because I by the end and here was my hang up with the ending Stevie. It was just so predictable. Like I knew exactly where they were going to be at the end of the movie and like what the problem was going to be, right? I knew it was going to be that family. So that was a little bit disappointing. I got to say, I found the scene just speaking of like her like psychic powers or whatever. The scene where she's on the phone, off the phone with her mom and she for some reason lives in like the creepiest fucking cabin in all of Oregon just like totally isolated with the biggest windows of which she never goes away. Amazing house, by the way. It looks amazing. Yeah. No, it's sweet. She's also got this like weird like rhombus lamp of her tour which is like such a weird shape to like I really liked it but I don't know that whole scene was like very unsettling to me just even watching it. I was like, oh shit, I'm going to be scared when I go home. Like I'm going to be real nervous tonight. Just like the whole home invasion aspect but it is weird that she like speaks of this to no one. Like hey, the murderer was in my cabin. I have proof right here. This is how I'm cracking the cipher like she plays your cards pretty close to the vest. But I guess that's ultimately long legs influence, right? That's where led to belief. I think you could extrapolate that. Some stuff in this movie is not clear, you know. She has this like you said, clairvoyant intuition and I understand it as it relates to this case but I think the first time we see it is related to a completely different case. But I think there's questions that aren't always answered in this movie. Like what? Okay, so the killing pattern, right? Like why? To what end, yeah. Good point. Yeah, like I under they find out what the pattern is but we never really find out why. Like that's being done that way. I feel like there could almost be something with like these families like not only like the birthday falling in line but like how is it that they're able to be influenced by this doll that comes in? Is it because they made a wrong choice or something? Did they not turn them away? Is that the reason why? Because like they can just mind control anyone. I feel like, you know, they have to kind of open the door to let the devil in. I would think, you know. As good Perkins messages, if a nun comes to your house with a present, send her out to the snow. Like that's funny. Tell her to get the fuck out. Yeah, that's the lesson of this movie. I mean, when things become like satanic, it's also like, well, what is long like able to do for the devil, assuming like he's existing has like power that he's not able to do for himself. You know what I mean? Like what's, why does he need this proxy of Nick Cage here? The devil just wanted Nick Cage to rock out, right? That's kind of the whole point. Can we just talk to that? What is the motivation of evil with devil? Like once Nick Cage to be as his proxy, and he needs an accomplice, and the goal is to harvest souls of people because they're committing a murder or just to spread bad vibes. Like what's- Yeah, that's kind of the odd part though, is the why, right? Because you think of like occult things, usually it's like so Satan can establish a foothold in this earth, like the old man or Rosemary's baby. It's like, oh shit, this will be, you know, the occult is using this person now. And I guess like maybe that's why Nick Cage kills himself. Now he can be everywhere. He can twist and burn now, man. Everywhere. What does he powder? You know? Yeah. Kind of looks like him actually. Little bit. One thing I, this movie did do that I liked a lot was, I feel like in a lot, it's very tropey like you said, Pap, right? There's a million tropes everywhere, but you just pick apart, right? Yeah. One thing I did like that it did was kind of the, it was kind of a misdirect pretty early on, but when long legs is in her house and literally just drops off a birthday card, it just, I feel like that's like something we get like in another movie at much later on, maybe at the midway point. Yeah. Fight this came very early. Yeah. I really liked seeing the creep factor that came along with that scene. Like early on, I think it needed that like, you know, that like tense horror moment where the hero knows someone's around and they're kind of turning the corners and they see a shadowy figure outside. I think the suspense in that was really great. This has, this movie's broken up into parts, I think, or. It is. Yeah. It's. Again, I would say it adds nothing to the actual story structure and feels kind of arbitrary. Right. But you got to get those red title cards in there because you guys said there's like some 70s energy and that like red text is part of that. The red text. And then anytime, uh, Baroness Harkonnen Lee is like looking at like having the visions of Satan, right? Like the snakes, I think she sees at one point. I mean, is that what she's seeing is like the visions of Satan? Like what? Like, what is the point of those like snake inserts? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the connection. Right? With that, we'd later kind of like come to understand is like the clairvoyance is influenced by this, uh, by this power, the man downstairs, Mr. Downstairs, if you will, what I wasn't annoyed by was that people didn't understand what he meant. You know, people were so confused. Yeah. Who is Mr. Downstairs? It's the fucking devil, man. What do you think? Who do you think? Lucifer, the prince of darkness, man. Oh, Angel, who are you talking about? The prince? Beelsy Bug. Yeah. It's been plainly long legs. Come on. He's not given us anything. Um, I do have a question, uh, I have a lot of questions leaving this movie. I think I answered most of them, but I did like the doll with the devil brain kind of reveal. I like that aspect of the movie. Um, my question to you guys though, is why, um, was that one doll buried in that farmhouse? Great question. What is the purpose of that? There's a lot of whys that I don't know the answer to in this movie, you know, that's one of them. I mean, why bury the doll? I just, is it because it's original victim wasn't there or because like the whole camera farm thing is a big deal in this movie, which she is utterly horrifying. Even the way she speaks is terrifying, but, um, the doll or, oh yeah, you mean, you mean, um, the girl on the psychiatric hospital. Yeah. Carrie camera. Yeah. Carrie camera. Um, which I mean, her name was actually Carrie camera, right? I think so. Carrie Ann. Okay. There you go. Um, Carrie camera? Carrie camera? Carrie and camera? Like, Carrie a camera? Like that's... Did the names of this movie are weird? Carrie Ann camera. Carrie Ann camera. Camera plus. No, but, um, I just, like the whole doll thing, I just understand why it was buried. I kind of like, you know, put up within the attic of that giant farmhouse bonus room. Like, why is this thing underneath floorboards? There's also something, like, way weird going on with, like, the autopsy guy who they bring it to. Like, he is all about that doll. He's just, like, marveling at the crafts. No, he fucked the doll. Oh, for sure, dude. I mean, he'll kill Bill Vibes. Yeah, the way he was talking, it was, I mean, was that the doll, though, or was it him? What do you mean? Like, was the doll, like, kind of possessing him in a way? I think he just wanted to fuck that doll. Was that the whole point? Spent too much time in that room. Yeah. Porcelain craftsmanship. I think, um, there's something with the ball, right? Like, the ball is the actual influence. Yeah. Yeah. And the doll is just a Trojan horse to get the ball within the house. Which, by the way, then, pretty easy to sneak a little ball into a house, you know what I mean? Because I've used your ways to drop it into chimney. Yeah. Throw it in a gutter. No, you didn't like the whole church and doll story, Pap? It's just a lot of overhead for what is ultimately a simple prank. Put this ball in the house and put it on the pill themselves. Like, you just launch it through their window. Yeah. Right. Ah, fuck. It's one of the silver balls. We got to kill each other. Literally, just put it in their mailbox and say, "Hey, this is yours," and people will take it. Just put it in their house. Big up. Cool. Perfect timing. You guys like to look at the movie? By the way. Just like the overall. That looked cool. I like it. I love a dreary-looking movie. Absolutely. Very dreary. Yeah. This is like, you know, to me, it's, I don't know, almost inviting in a way. Like when a movie looks like this, it's like, it is the kind of aesthetic I'm into for this kind of movie. Absolutely. Mm. Lots of color really well, too, like, Hark's Harko's house when she's a kid is like super white and even Nicholas Cage comments on like how white, like with the snow and everything and, I don't know, like the cozy interior of that cabin with like the yellow, almost like the whiplash practice room. Like, I don't know. I dug it. I dug it a lot. That looked awesome. There's a moment in this movie that I know I'm referencing a lot of other movies, but I think this movie obviously has a lot of inspirations from other movies. But one is very much like seven. It's where they're going to see a family that they found was killed and they've been there dead for a month. And it was a month after their death set. That was gruesome. Found by the FBI. And yeah, they show the body of one of them that's been there for a month and it is so fucking disgusting. It's a great moment in a movie like this very sloth of seven, right? Like, where you get that like very sharp, striking corpse image that's kind of just very haunting and stands out among a movie that it doesn't have a lot of that kind of stuff. To think about the, just like what you said, is that going to go like all of the movie influences, the tropes, I want to give this movie credit because it doesn't feel super tropey when you're watching it, but like, I don't know, just to run through like a haunted doll. Right. I could've seen that a million times before the chucky movies in a mall. We mentioned silence to the lambs were there any other ones that like stuck out to you because I feel like what's his name? Oz Perkins. Mm hmm. Was it? Obviously. Horrors in his blood. His DNA. His DNA is. Hor icon. Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like he's seen a lot of horror movies, but it was rain. I don't know. Any other tropes that suck out? Even the, sorry, just real quick too. Agent Carter. Agent Carter felt like something out of like, I don't know, like a throwback police procedural almost, right? In a lot of ways. Like, I don't know. I really liked him. Player Underwood. Yeah. I thought he was really great in this movie. Trying to think what else like the red kind of like that bright red kind of reminded me of Suspiria, also Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Just kind of that bright electric red. There's something like when long legs gets captured too, and he kind of just puts his arms up. Like that felt like. Seven. Seven. Yeah. Seven. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Seven and Zodiac, obviously Zodiac, you know, more so on the, the mystery of like figuring out the clues and stuff, but that's in there a little bit. I'm going to say the ending kind of reminded me of Rosemary's baby in a way. Yeah. Um, a lot actually, and I don't know about you guys, but I think my favorite part of the entire movie, um, outside of the shotgun blast, which was just horrifying when I first watched it, um, is when her mom is telling the story and you kind of see it with her voice over. Really cool. Did you like it, Corey? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I, you know, it, the flashback stuff is really good, and I'm glad that some things got pieced together, but, you know, you can't help, at least for me, some people might be able to set this aside or might even be smarter than me, but for me, I, I come out of it with like a bunch of questions that I don't know the answer to, you know, even with the predictable ending. I'm thinking like, okay. There's the final doll, which is affecting, um, the little girl, uh, Blair Underwood's kid. Hmm. Parker goes to fire at it out of ammo, right? She can't shoot it. So like, what are the implications of that? I feel like there should be something that we understand about that, like, okay, this doll wasn't destroyed and she left with the kid. What does that mean? One legs isn't done. One legs too. I mean, is that girl like possess at that point, then, is that what that's kind of getting at? Yeah, but like, what does that mean now with like long legs not being around anymore with, uh, the mom Ruth Harker not being around anymore? What does that mean? And I don't know the answer, you know, maybe Harker will take over. Maybe she'll start the family business back up again after shooting her mom. Yeah. Great scene, by the way. Awesome scene. Like, if there's one character actually did feel kind of bad for it, was the mom? Yeah. I mean, she truly just did love her daughter. Like, at the end of the day, that's really just a story about a woman who just wanted to like, see her daughter live. But Corey, what part of the ending did you find predictable? What like where they were, like, what was the setting, yeah? Like the, um, the fact that it's the birthday for that kid and that now it's going to be like the senior FBI agent that like, you know, kills his family and of course Harker's there to stop that. And she saves the kid, of course, you know, kind of saw that coming. I guess in that area though, one thing I did think was cool was that like the mom was breaking free from the spell a little bit and you saw that in her performance, right? Like, the dad says, like, all right, we're going to go in the kitchen when, and the mom says like, you know, do we have to? She like breaks through for a moment and the dad says, yes, right? And then they go and we hear her being like, presumably stabbed to death. Yeah. That part is actually kind of, I mean, it's actually kind of funny within the movie where she says, we'll be right back. And Plander just goes, I will be, you won't, like, that part I should say, maybe laugh. There was one murder that they're breaking down, like that happened earlier that they're investigating and they say something the effect of the victim was stabbed 67 times and the guy in front of me went, damn, that revel, I just, I laughed out loud at him. Damn, was your theater also packed, Pappy? Mine was sold out and I bought tickets over 24 hours in advance. Not sold out, but like for a Tuesday, like 20 plus people in a very tiny theater. So I kind of was like shocked. I can't believe how many people are here and normally Linway is just free for all seating. It was reserve seating for long legs, which I thought was really, really weird. My showing was at 10 30 and it was packed at 30 p.m. My showing was at 8 20 and I was in the front right corner like I was shocked how packed it was. Dude, that's what I'm saying, like, I'm glad that you started with like the trailer and everything. I am, this has got to be like a shocker, right, like, for just the movie industry in general when it feels like anything original has been having a pretty hard time getting off the ground and like movies like Furiosa, which are obviously original or underperforming. And then this like less than 10 million dollar budget horror movie comes out and we're having people ask us to review it, you know, it's just, I find it interesting. I don't know. The people love horror, they just want more horror. I think there's also like a shift in like big properties, like huge IP. I don't think people want that stuff as much anymore. I don't know for sure, right, because I'm not, I'm not what I would consider like a common movie goer, someone who sees what three movies a year or, you know, in that range. I see a lot of movies and movies are on my mind a lot. They're a big part of my day to day, more so than the average person. But I think like, you know, obviously the big thing is, or the easy go to example is Marvel. Things like Marvel, huge intellectual properties. I'm just not sure if people care about those in the same way that they once did maybe 10 years ago. And I'm not only Marvel specifically, but because, you know, obviously Furiosa didn't do well, but I think Furiosa is better than long legs. Oh, yeah, not without its problems, but you know, a really good movie didn't make a lot of money. And I think having Nick Cage in there, but having it like feel like if this is going to be a more conventional horror movie, right, like not, this isn't some of like the more far out stuff. Like what was that Lovecraft one, Stevie, we had a podcast on it that Nick Cage did, which I think was awesome. The color purple or the other car purple, I'm like, the color over? No, it's like the color purple from space or something like that. The color of space? Yeah. Yeah, the color of space. We'll be working space. Dude, that sounds amazing. First of all. No, this. Yeah, I don't know. There's something, there's something about like, hey, Nick Cage is like debuting this new serial killer horror character that I think I blended a lot of credence to like, oh, let's go see this. And plus like on Reddit, I was seeing stuff like, you know, this is makeup and Rose actual heartbeat when she saw long legs for the first time. It's like, I don't care about those things. Like if it's not the movie, I just don't care. Say that again, what? They were like running this promo where they were showing like makeup and Rose are you, they were putting makeup and Rose heartbeat over her being in the cell with long legs for the first time. Like a heart monitor? Yeah. They're playing like 170 beats per minute. They're like, she was so terrified to see Nick Cage for the first time. It's like, I, I don't care. Like if it's not in the movie, I really just don't care. Huh. Interesting. He is fucking creepy, man. The dude is gross. I think he looks insane, but I see where you're coming from, but I do want to give some credit word to do because I really liked seeing him in this movie. Not just when he would go like full on Nick Cage, right? Because of course he has like the yelling moments or burst out into song for some reason. Like the mom asks him like a question, like, why are you here? And he, he like sings some song. Like that's the response. Can I say, okay, I think my problem with Nick Cage is like, I wasn't even thinking Nick Cage while watching this movie, which is a testament to performance itself, right? Like when's the last time you saw a Nick Cage movie and you weren't actively thinking, oh, that's Nick Cage, like, I wasn't being that the whole time. And another nice thing I'll say, his death was fucking insane when he's just slamming his head on the table. Like I've never seen anything like that as blood is splattering. That was gross. That was wild. Great. And I love it. Yeah. Really great stuff. I think where my problem comes from is that I don't picture Nick Cage as a long legs. You know, like, I, when I think of long legs, I think of like Josh from the podcast or like. I'm saying Josh. Does he have a serial killer? Yes. Definitely. Or like Steven Merchant, like, I don't know, like, oh, he'd been a good long legs. A basketball player or something, right? Like the, the character's whole deal is I got super long legs. Like give me a slender man build person, right? Like Nick Cage just feels pretty. Well, dude, I know Doug Jones. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Shape a water himself. But I guess the name isn't meant to be literal, right? Like I think Stevie was saying it means like cool guy in the 70s or something. Mm-hmm. Just a groovy time. That's all. I guess. Just a groovy boy. Keep on trucking long legs. Was there any part of the movie that like stood out to you guys is like, this is the scariest part of the whole movie. It was a pretty tame. I thought it was a tame movie. But was there any parts that actually did frighten you a little bit? I kind of like the jumpscare in this when she's looking through. I forget exactly where she is. She might be back at her house, but she took photos from her mom's house and she finds the one that she took of long legs and it's the loudest, scariest jumpscare of the whole movie. And that one got, that one got me too so bad. Like, I don't know, like this, it's like we were talking about it. It goes from this like dark, cozy, Oregon cap into like white, flashing bright, like wigglescages jaw just in the screen and it's loud. I think I talked about mine already. If I'm gonna add another scene that I liked that had a good creep factor, it was the FBI agents watching long legs, aka, what's his name, Cobble on like the CRT TV, right? It's like a recording of him talking, being interviewed for the first time and a group of FBI agents is watching it. The way he looks in that moment is just like very Charles Manson and off-putting. His character reminded me of Manson a lot. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, this movie obviously has like a culmination of many influences that are, I think noticeable, but some of which work pretty well. They mentioned the Manson family at one point and Harker's like, Charles Manson had an accomplice and from then on, she's just like going with this theory that long legs must have an accomplice because Charles Manson had one. Now she deep down the snow at some level, but I was like, that seems like a little bit of a leap in logic there, Harker's like, yeah, I thought that was gonna be a red herring. I didn't think there would be an accomplice. I mean, I thought the giveaway that was, it was her mom was pretty early. Like, probably the first time we go to their house I knew long legs was there. Um, did you guys make that connection at all? No. Um, when that door was locked and there was a cockroach coming out of it, we'd just seen snakes so much at that point, and I know that like snakes will eat cockroaches at certain times. I was like, oh, like, he's down there. It just kind of clicked in my head. Down there, whittling away. That is one of the things when it's like, there is no negative alternative theory in this movie, right? Like, okay, long legs have as an accomplice. Well, who could it possibly be? There's four fucking characters in the movie, right? It's either gonna be Harker, it's gonna be Blair Underwood or it's gonna be the mom. Like there's, there's, it's gonna be like the fucking girl at the hardware store. So it's like, there's not, yeah, dude, the girl at the hardware store. That'd be wild. But that would be like, if this was a screen movie, it would be, it'd be a 14 year old. Yeah. Like, I don't know, like I'm not, I get it. It's a movie. We have to use the pieces that are on the board, but it's like, I don't know. It is predictable at some level. I think we're all saying that. Yeah. Um, let's say there's two parts that, I wouldn't say there were jumpscares, but they were kind of terrifying on their own is when the mom was walking around the car to shotgun the other FBI agent. Yeah. That part was a little creepy. That was awesome, dude. When she just shoots in the car, that's wild. Dude, the blood splattered. Unreal. Yeah. And then, um, she was around the other side and blasted her again, too, in very intense. Yeah. Um, also the, the Carrie Anne camera interview, I thought was probably the scariest part of the whole movie where she's just talking about, she'd do anything for long legs with the devil and just what she wants to do to, uh, to hark her. I thought that was kind of a creepy scene. She talks funny, though. She talks like a kid from a Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. She does. Yeah. Yeah. Very thunderdomey. I mean, we's the awaited, I mean, maybe that's, maybe that's why your family got chosen. They couldn't speak right, but, um, do you guys have anything else in this movie? Uh, score cinematography, camera work, acting. I don't remember what the closing song was right before the credits roll, but I fucking hated it. I know it's a famous song. I don't remember the name of it. It's just some, like, kind of fun time rock song that I've heard a million times and I can't place. And I really did not like that, kind of took away from the vibe that, uh, everything that happened right before it just didn't seem, didn't seem like it fit. It's the, I think it is the Banga Kong song, right? The quotes from, in the beginning, that T-Rex, Banga Kong, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. Yeah. I wish there'd have been more on that through line. Right, like, give me a couple of shots of long, like, listening to, like, uh, Lou Reed or some of those other, like, alternative '70s bands. Jefferson Starship, man. Yeah, like, maybe that's too Mandy, but yeah, Jefferson, what is this, the holiday special? I mean, if you played Jane in that movie, I think he would have crushed it. Yeah, I don't know. Like, his ugly ass singing Jane would have been hilarious. Yeah, that's pretty much all I got. All right, let's go into Yes or No's and Corey, I'll start with you. All right, I'm gonna give this movie a yes. I don't think it's without problems, like, many movies I've seen this year, but it is pretty good overall and I think it's, uh, it's a good one-time watch. And if you watch it once and you kind of set it aside, that's the best place to, uh, to put this movie because for me, I don't think it's one that I would, like, come back and revisit for any good reason. Like I might with something like it follows, you know, starring the same actress, right? I think there's more there to that. This movie has a lot of cool influences and you kind of see them all mesh together in a pretty good way, I think. But there's, there's either holes in this movie or I'm not smart enough to kind of put it together. And either way for me, that puts it on, like, um, like a mid-level yes as opposed to, like, a glowing yes. I think, for me, the highlight is Nick Cage as long legs. He looks so weird. It's the combination of the performance and the way they dress him, like, his, um, makeup, like just with this, like, extra skin they put on his face and, like, obviously, he's very pale and the hair, and he, there's, like, a grossness to him that is, uh, completely befitting of, like, someone in his position and, uh, I really like to see that. I kind of wish there was more of him, but, um, you know, maybe if they overdid it, I would feel the other way and I'd say having it in for less. So I think it's a pretty good movie. It's all right. PAP. Yeah, I'm gonna give it a yes. I would say just in terms of, like, how I spent a Tuesday night, it's a pretty hard yes, like, that was kind of just a fun, different trip to the theater and I don't often go into a movie as cold as I went into this one. So I really liked that. Like, I agree with pretty much everything Corey said, but interestingly, like, Nick Cage is probably the low light of the movie for me. I feel like he was in the wrong movie and, ultimately, it feels like the decision to cast him was to bring some star power and he's definitely willing to, yeah, to be in movies like this, although I didn't see him say that he doesn't want to be a serial killer ever again. So maybe the character of long legs stuck with him, but all that complaints of it being, like, a little predictable and, um, you know, Nick Cage's performance are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. I really had a fun time with it. It was funnier than I expected it to be in a lot of ways. And I think there's even, like, some deeper the themes there with intergenerational trauma of, like, your parents' religion, right? Like, your parents are super religious and you're not, or, you know, something's going on there, but it's pretty decently below the surface, but yeah, I liked it. I'm glad I saw it. I think just a normal, a normal, oh, yes, I'll probably never watch it again, but now it's become inevitable that there will be a long legs too, right? It's just made too much money. Yes. I would bet anything is going to be a longer legs at some point, like, just wait, it'll happen. It's made too much money. They didn't destroy all the dolls. It's, it's going to happen. But for now, I'm a fan. Yes. Um, I'm going to give this movie a yes. Um, when I saw the trailer, I thought it was going to be Prisoner's Me Too Rotatary. Or Rotatary. Um, Prisoner's is a better movie than this movie. Rotatary is a better movie than this movie. Um, but there's just something kind of unique and odd about it. Pap, I kind of go on the side of you. I didn't, I didn't think Nick Cage was all that special in this movie. But I really liked the cinematography of it. I thought it just felt like a throwback nostalgic horror movie that was fun to watch. And I think, uh, Make 'Em In Row is a very, very, very good actress. So for those reasons, I'll give it a yes. I don't know if I'll watch it again any time soon, but if they release like a companion book with this movie, I might read it. I think there's enough lore there that I like to kind of get deeper into the characters there. So I'll give it a yes. Dude, a long legs graphic novel? I could fuck with that. That would be kind of fun. That would be a, I mean, a long legs video game, Pap. Okay. I don't know. Just walking around, just creeping people out. That's all you do. Long legs anime. Ooh. No, but, um, I'm glad you guys actually went and saw this in theaters. I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. Um, let's see here, Pap, anything to add to this episode for our listeners? I got like the lamest trivia ever. Oh, I want to hear this. Corey's going to hate it because I listen, audience at home. I'm having surgery tomorrow, so I want you guys to all think about me and donate money to my recovery via the Patreon if you haven't already. But now I'm just covering this expensive, dude, yeah, listen. Every penny helps, uh, but I asked chat GPT to give me the average length of a daddy long legs spider in weeks. I know it's lame, but let the winner give a little off take, length of life. Sorry. Yeah. Like the lifespan in weeks for a daddy long legs spider and said, you know, simple, but I'll let the whoever's closer toss it to spoiler man, give a hot take if they should should so wish. Uh, Stevie, why don't you go first, um, 39 weeks, 39 weeks for a daddy long legs spider. Corey, do you have daddy long legs in California? Do you know what those are? I'll say it less, but you have a daddy long legs in California. Do you know what those are? Oh, yeah. Do you know how brown recluses are? Oh, yeah, dude. Those are out here in the desert, gnarly about black widow. Scarlett Johansson? Yes. She is. Yeah. She's out here. She's out. She's out. No, she's never set for you. Unfortunately, it's more, uh, it is 52 weeks. One year is the average length of a life that daddy long legs spider. So Stevie, you win, uh, take us home here, bud. Let's see here. Just want me to throw anything there. Say that was spoilers. I take our listeners. Do a hot take. Hot tank. Hot commercial. Okay. Um, Corey, have you played the last of us video games? No. Fuck. I don't want to ruin anything for you. Um, okay, so I'll say this. I don't think the last of us season one was all that amazing. Um, and I think last of us season two is going to be incredibly slow. And I think anyone who's looking for like a really action packed season two is going to be in for a rough time, uh, just the way the kind of story breaks down. So I'll say it'll feel like it season the first part of I guess game two season two coming up. I have to imagine we'll probably feel somewhat like filler in seasons three and seasons four will be utterly psychotic. So that's why I think it's going to break down. Otherwise, if they do it any other way, I think it'll get canceled. Just my hot take. Yeah, so I think they wrapped up shooting, um, but looking forward to it. Um, also I say thank you to all our listeners, uh, thank you to, uh, Corey and Pappy for watching this movie in theaters and potting with us tonight. 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This is now available on Audible. I'm surprised how much I remembered from it. I think it's a good movie, man. You see, last of us season three confirmed, yeah, what does that mean? Well, I didn't want to say it in front of Corey because he doesn't get angry, but it's like. I was just putting the second game up into two. Two or three seasons. Yeah. I mean, dude, the second game is a mammoth of a game. Like it's like it's long and they get put 40 hours into it. I did the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So my big, do you want to know or do you not want to know? I don't want anything for you. Yeah. No, tell me. I know. I know. Okay. So Joel dies in the first probably two to three hours of first game, depending on how you play. I think it's probably like the first episode, that'll be the end of season two. That's good. I think they're going to move that to the end of season two, pull because I'm aware, but if they do it any other way, people will stop watching, dude. You can't tell me I'm wrong. Like, well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you like, I mean, Joel would be like, go ahead. No, I was going to say, Joel's a badass in like the first, you know, season or whatever. It's great. It's just like people like him. That's cool and everything, but I don't trust audiences. I just really don't. Well, that's exactly what I was going to say. You've always, you've always been strong and Neil has always stayed strong. But like, most people are a lot of people like a lot of minds that Joel died. Like literally, that was a whole thing, like the controversy around the last of us too. I remember like, it's my favorite video game of all time. I remember it's, it just kind of blows my mind that people couldn't see the nuance of what that game really is. And so what I think is going to happen is season two, we'll probably have a lot of what you call that flashbacks more than we'll ever know, like, I think we're going to have a lot of flashbacks in season two. I think season three is going to be Abby and I think season four is going to be Ellie. So I think if you ever play last of us too, it's called, there's three days in Seattle. It's just three days of havoc in Seattle and the game has split up your Ellie for 15 hours and your, your Abby for 15 hours. And so I think they're going to do that in season three and seasons four. Like, and I'm kind of excited that I got my PS five because I've got to get last of us to put that on there. I'm pretty pumped. Maybe it does make two. I'm excited. Yeah, I just, like I said, I think Neil did the right thing with that game because, I mean, Joel's story was done at the end of last of, last of us won. There's nowhere else to go. Like he had to die. So people had said, like, oh, you should do that. It's like, well, you don't understand story then, obviously. And I, yeah, I just, um, like I said, I don't think season one was all that great. I think, I don't know if it was budget. I don't know if it was COVID or web. I don't think it was that good. Um, but we liked it at the time. I have a podcast where you liked it. No, no, I said you liked it. No, I liked it. I just don't think it was amazing. Like seasons two or three of the last of us like to have a legitimate chance to be, like, amazing, amazing. So it makes me wonder if they were like putting like all their eggs into the game to basket, right? Like, like this is like, yeah, yeah, this is built. I think you can do it for a reason. I'll go ahead. Sorry to me to wrap you up. Sorry. No, I think it was like a delay. But like what I was saying was like, if you remember the first season, they spent a lot of like time in this show, diving into things that weren't in the game, right? Like it wasn't that kind of a thing. Like, oh, yeah, there was, they're flushing out things that weren't so it's like, you might be on to something. I'm telling you, dude, I season two has every opportunity to be filler, whether people like it or not. I mean, there'll be some like cool moments, but like the big moment, the big, big fucking moment, like the fuck you moment isn't going to happen till the end of season two. And then people are going to be so angry and they're going to want to come back and see what happens after that. Like it's going to be, there's going to be a whole campaign of like, they're like when Eddard Stark died, right? People were just pissed. It's like, well, fuck, like what do we do now? I think it'll be the same thing. That was spoilers.