Welcome to Joe Goes Everywhere, a big blend radio food line and travel podcast, featuring award-winning photographer and travel writer Joe Clark. Let's find out where she's taking us today. Welcome everybody, it is July and we are going to the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia and Joe Clark is going to take us to Reiner, Radford, Roanoke, Rocky Mountain before ours. And of course you can keep up with her at halfglasswilltravel.com but on her other website, recipestravelculture.com, there is a article all about the four Rs which is what we're the places we're going to talk about today. And so that link is in the episode description. So just check the show notes and link directly from there. So how are you doing Joe? I'm doing great. It's a good time to go to the mountains. It's 90 plus degrees here and the fields like is in the triple digits. So it's a good time to go to the Blue Ridge Mountains. Need to cool off. Yeah, you know, the first time we went to Roanoke, we were driving from Asheville, North Carolina to Peachtree City, Georgia. I said, "Oh, we got a little time. Let's do the Blue Ridge Parkway as a scenic drive." And I went on one, the wrong exit, the wrong way. And the wrong way and almost ended up in Roanoke. But we have been to Roanoke too, just in Virginia is beautiful. It is gorgeous. So Roanoke is pretty much the biggest city when we think about Virginia. Compared to most of them, yeah, especially on the southern side of the, southwestern side of the state. If you talk about Richmond and the Alexandria, some of the places closer to D.C. are much bigger than Roanoke. Roanoke is big. Yeah. In comparison to the other three that I'm going to be talking about, Roanoke is, oh, metropolis. Yeah, yeah. And you know this area pretty well, because Virginia is your birth state, right? It is. And I was born and grew up in Martinsville, which is an hour from Roanoke. I went to college in Martinsville for my two-year degree. I did a four-year degree with Mary Bowen, which is not in these four areas. But my master's is from Bradford. So I went to college in Redford. I lived in a little town called Snowville. And you and I have talked about, we've talked about Brown Hill in the past because we talked about my great grandfather and his neighbors who did a little bit of preserving of corn in jars. We like that kind of preservation. Yes. Well, we're going to be talking about it again because Rocky Mountain is basically where he was. And that was the distillery land, right? There's a distillery in Rocky Mountain. There's a distillery. Wait a minute. There's a distillery in Redford that has just recently, a month ago, found a forever home over in Blacksburg, which is about 15 minutes away. But they grew up, they hatched the idea and they were in a little business incubator in Radford. And Reiner is where a couple of friends of mine raised Buffalo and have a Buffalo and more restaurant. That's why Reiner made the list. You got to go through Reiner to get to Radford when you leave Martinsville. Okay. Well, there you go. Now, where are the rock churches? The rock churches are all along the parkway. They're around Floyd and there's one called the Mayberry Church. It's near Mayberry's Mill. It's on the Mayberry Mill Road. He was, if you've ever read the book or heard of the man who moved a mountain, it was written about the preacher who built these rock churches. And one of the funny stories from the book and in the tales that people tell in that area, a little boy and his father were passing by a church and some comment was made about the church. And the little boy said, "Well, that's not one of his churches." And he said, "How do you know that?" He said, because he'd rocked it by now. Well, there you go. It's a white church. It's not one of those churches. Oh, but that's cute. That's cute. So you've got, you know, that's the thing. The whole Blue Ridge Parkway area and Virginia history is really part of it, right? And then the natural beauty. So there's museums to visit. There's obviously we'll get into food and everything but museums. There's attractions and then there's the outdoors. Like you can go kayaking on the rivers and all of that. You can go kayaking and canoeing down the rivers. There's a boat landing in, I think it's actually in Henry County, but you get to it from Franklin County, from the Franklin County side on Phil Pot Lake. And they have concerts, outdoor concerts, which lots of places have outdoor concerts. But this particular one, you paddle up to in your boat. Well, there you go. That's my style. You know, that's what Louisiana, they go up to, you know, the fish houses and the oyster shacks on their boat and get their food and get back out fishing and, you know, have a brew ski. And I was like, this is kind of cool to watch all the fishermen come out, you know, that kind of thing. So it's kind of like that too, huh? On these rivers. I think that's Tundridge Moreno that has the outdoor concerts and people just paddle up in their kayaks and float around out offshore and listen to the music. Well, you're saying in Radford, which is made what one of the 13 best small towns in Virginia to retire in that this is a birding destination as well. It is. I know there's been more than 200 bird species that have been noted in Radford. The New River comes right through Radford and Radford is actually the only town on the water of the New River in Virginia. Can't speak to West Virginia or North Carolina, they may have slipped a town in there, but Radford is the only one on the water in Virginia. Wow. So, okay, so Radford, you can go out and what about, you know, so the outdoors when you get to like Rocky Mount and is that more food? Well, you got a train station there. That's history, right? Yeah. Yeah, there's train station and run out. There's train station and, well, all these little towns, Radford, Christiansburg had a, right next door to Radford, had a really nice train station that they turned into an artist guild. The train station down in Roanoke is a transportation museum. They have cars and it's one of the few transportation museums you'll go to that have airplanes hanging from the ceiling and have trains inside and out. Wow. Yeah. So, pretty cool. Pretty cool. It's a half a day or more to visit and they have an entire room filled with toy trains and displays with the model train set up. So it's a, it's a really unique museum. That's cool. Now, when you look at, so history got museums, you got the outdoors. So this is, you know, two big things on people's list. Wood watching is a big deal, right? I know you want to talk about food and we're going to talk about drinking and all that good stuff because there's shine. If wineries are nearby, as I've heard. Yes. Several wineries near Radford and, again, you leave Radford and go through Rhine or to get over to the Blue Ridge Parkway or you can hop on the Blue Ridge in Roanoke and go right down the Blue Ridge Parkway and get back off just outside of Floyd. There is Villa Appalachia, which is an Italian style winery and Chateau Morissette, which is more of a French style winery. And if you can't find something at one of those two that you like, then get some food and just listen to the music. Okay. What's it like lodging wise? Are there bed and breakfast and that kind of? There are. There are bed and breakfast all over the Parkway. I mentioned a couple near Rocky Mount. Rocky Mount has two that clay born in, which is an old white frame house. It was built in close to the turn of the century. I can't remember the exact date, but the man who built that had a lumber company. So he had plenty of lumber. So he was able to build a gorgeous house, beautiful insides, beautiful stairways. And then there is the early, as in Jubal Early of Civil War fame, but Jubal Early, the early in is also in Rocky Mount. That just happens to be walking distance, as in, across the street from Twin Creek Distillery, which is about a block from Anastasias, which is the speakeasy that we'll talk about. So it's very convenient. You get the most of these places and once you check in, you can walk most of the places that you want to get. I like that. Yeah, because you're going to eat well, you want to work that off a little bit, stretch your legs, you know, especially if you're driving the parkway, you know, and it's got to be good hiking out in this area, too. I mean, off of the parkway, there's lots, lots of hikes, lots of greenery, greenways. There are the old railroad lines that have been turned into hiking trails around Roanoke. Oh, rails to trails. Yeah. The rails to trails. There's one outside of Redford that you can take horses to if you're traveling with your horse. All kinds of, all kinds of places that you will find to go and walk or hike or climb mountains. That's cool. And then I was going to say, I'm getting back, let's go to the distilleries. So this is all whiskey distilleries or what are we looking at? Yeah, when you talk distilleries, you're talking whiskey. So moonshine, whiskey, rye whiskey, rye and the one, let's say I'm trying to think what the one in Rocky Mountain, we'll talk about that one first, Rocky Mountain is twin creeks distillery and they have crilemons and the hatchers that made moonshine and they were neighbors of my great grandparents and my grandparents. So that was out in the Brown Hill area that we've talked about before. And we've heard a lot of rumors about my great grandfather. Don't know that he was ever arrested. But he was in the right neighborhood and I'm sure he helped his neighbors. He was a friendly guy. He was a friendly guy. He probably dabbled and helped him a little bit. But they have, they make a lot of different things. One is the peg hatcher whiskey. And they make what's neat about them, what I really like about this distillery. I mean, you can go to any distillery and have little shot glasses of their samples and you can there. But they also have a blackboard and every month, it's like the July drinks and they'll have three or four or five concoctions like a banana split drink. And they use their moonshine, their whiskies in this and they make mixed drinks using their products. And they're like desserts. I mean, you'll see in the pictures that I post with the article that they make some beautiful little drinks. They're, they're just very entertaining to watch them making the drinks and decorating them. So they have all kinds of different flavors. So this is the two at the Rocky Mountain. Okay, this is the Rocky Mountain. This is twin creaks. Yeah, okay, I've got three trees distilling stuck in my head. That's actual. Yeah, we have two creaks, not three trees. I know trees and now I'm like, is it two trees? Now I'm like all messed up. But anyway, there's everything's distilled and happy. But this is, this is really cool. And then, you know, I love that you know about the cocktails too. That's really cool. Yeah, the cocktails are neat. That's just a really is a fascinating heart. It is. It is. And to make one that tastes like a banana split, I mean, that takes talent in my eyes. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And to consume it as a talent. I have that talent. I do too. And easy one. Yeah, really. Then up in Radford, the distillery that started there actually started during the COVID days, they wanted something good to come out of COVID. So they started a distillery. But yeah, really. But it's a banker that he, the two guys grew up together and went to high school together 30 years ago. And they're both named Jason spelled a little differently. And their last names both began with an H. So they ended up, I said it's like the punchline to a joke or the start of a joke. A banker walks into a bar and talk to a bartender money. Yeah, really. But the banker and bartender get to talk in and they decide that that the area needs a place, a club for drinking, and they needed to come up with a good name for it. And so the JH is both of their initials, Jason H and Jason H. And they came up with bards, bourbon and rye, drinking society. Oh, a society. Oh, now we're going to church. Yes. Oh, we'll go to church in a minute when we get back into Radford. But that's a beer. Yeah, we'll go to go to church for beer. JH bards distillery grew out of that idea that there should be a whiskey and rye drinking group. And they needed some really good whiskey and rice that we're going to sit around and call themselves a society and drink. So they started a distillery and it has grown in Pulaski County Innovation Center, which is sort of an incubator for businesses. They started there. I think they've been there. I think they ended up being there just about four years. And now they've blown the coop. They've moved over into Blacksburg closer to Virginia Tech and they have a new home there. So not quite far. But next to Virginia Tech, that's smart marketing right there. That's right. There are apparently a lot more drinkers of whiskey in Blacksburg than in Radford, which is Radford University used to be the girl's college. It was the teacher's college. So the girls were in Radford and the boys were at Virginia Tech when it was DPI. Okay. You know that Pepper's Fairy Road was a hot little road back in the day. Things went on. Boy, then it comes to Radford to find girls. Oh, the Radford touch on Radford. Okay. There's a story, a true story about Mary Draper Ingalls, who she and another woman were kidnapped by the Indians and taken to Ohio, present day, Ohio. But that was where the Indians were from, that took them, the Shawnee Indians. And they managed after several weeks, I'm not sure how many three or four weeks, but they did manage to escape. But then there they were in Ohio and trying to get back to Radford. So they had about an 850 mile walk and they did get back home. What? Yeah. And so there is a play was written about this and it was an outdoor drama and it's actually Virginia's historical outdoor drama for the state, the Long Way Home. So that's where the name the Long Way Home comes from, because they, you know, it was a long way home from Ohio back to the New River Valley. So when these guys started the brewery, there was a church available, a small church, beautiful little church. They named their brewing company Long Way Brewing. And they said it was sort of the same thing. It was a long way from the idea to the first bottle. So long way brewing. And it's a long way to heaven. And really, really. And and a remarkably enough, they are a part of a group of breweries throughout the United States that preserve and repurpose former churches. You know, way, way. So, man, you know, you have to look for these churches that have been turned into breweries because apparently they're everywhere. And so I stayed in a bed and breakfast. That was a church. That's neat. And it was a couple of restaurants. Yeah, yeah. I think there's something really cool because it's actually preserving some history. You know what I mean? And drinking did happen and does happen in churches depending on the religion. But, you know, that's right. And and I mean, Jesus turned water into wine. That's why I always say don't don't mess with Jesus. He did what he was doing. Yeah. But the long way brewing, we're going to get emails for saying that now, aren't we? Probably. But it's, you know, sorry, folks. It is because of the acoustics long way brewing says that it's the perfect place for musical talent. So they have a stage and they have live music quite frequently. They have beautiful stained glass windows and their logo is actually kind of the gothic arch window outline. And that's part of the long way brewing logo. So this is this neat because then the hotel you were writing about the Highlander, see, it's kind of got this and, you know, the region has a Celtic history like you do, right? So there's a Celtic connection there through Appalachia, right? There's it is. Definitely. So going the Highlander just kind of fits right there, right? Whiskey. Now, do you have it with a Y in E or, you know, E in the whiskey or not? Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, you do have any in there. Okay. And and the Highlander is as you said, I want to meet me a Highlander. I'm a Highlander because I'm under red bird and you know, other other, I said, other colleges are like, you know, the the taggers or the fighting bears or something. We're the Highlanders. So we're the Scottish Highlanders in kilts and our schools are playing. I mean, do you know anybody else that when you say, what were your college colors? They say, play it. I did it, but not in this country, but yeah. Uh huh. We had skirts like that. Yep. Yep. So but that's our school colors played. And so when you go to the Highlander, it's really neat because the Highlander really took into consideration the history and the neighborhood they were moving into. They're right next door to Redford University. So the carpet in the hallway is played. Some of the rooms that you go in have plaid wallpaper. It's just really neat. And our college yearbook was called The Beehive. And that is our logo on even on the tabs on my graduation gown has a beehive on it. So did you all have beehive hairdos? That was a way back away. No, but that might, it would have been, when was that? That was in the 40s or 50s? Yeah, that was six highways would have been 60s, 50s, 60s. And the beehive was named I think in 1925. So beehive, the Redford beehive came first. Okay. But the Highlander uses the beehive as one of their logos. And they are looking at, I don't know if they've succeeded yet, but they're looking at maybe having the flowers and herbs on the rooftop on one end of the building and having some beehives there. So that would be pretty cool. Oh, that's really cool. That's cool. I mean, bees are so important. And that's a good way of having some education, you know. Okay, so now what about the Italian Sal's Italian restaurant? You know, whenever you hear the name Sal and it's connected to a restaurant, we feel like it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good, but something's gonna happen. Go down. Sal's, I tell you what, Sal's had specials and I would leave college and I was in grad school and I was I'm gonna get that out. I was an adult about 38 actually, quite adult. And I lived out on a farm outside of town. So when I would leave school and I worked on campus, so I'd leave school, especially on Friday, I would go the long way home so that I could go by sale. The long way. Yeah, the long way home. And I would stop at Sal's to get Cal Zone to take home. And it was so good. Even when I would go out, if I had a date, I would I would always say, well, let's go to Sal's. I love their food. And you know how it is, you talk about a place and it's 30 years ago and you think, boy, that was just such a wonderful place to eat. I love eating there. And you talk about it and you think, I'll take, I'll take my friend there. So when my friend Audrey and I were in Redford for a week and we I said, I can't wait for you to go to Sal's. We've got to go to Sal's. And then I thought, oh, what if it's not as good? Because sometimes you'll take people after you brag about a place. Sometimes you wish you never went back. Yeah. Yeah. This is not that place. It was even better. Wow. And so now Audrey says, when can we go back to Redford? We need to go to Sal's and have Cal Zone. Oh, a good Cal Zone is a good, I mean, there's nothing like a good Cal Zone. No, it's not. And they make everything fresh. They buy all the canned local, but they do bring their tomatoes, canned tomatoes from Italy. So they are making their raw tomatoes out of Italian tomatoes. Oh, well, that makes sense. I love that. And you know, that's interesting because we did an interview with Fabrizia, which is a lemon cello. Yeah. And it all started with their family. You know, they had this lemon grove in Italy. Well, there's something with all those lemons. Is it make lemon? You know, what do you do? And they they swear that it's important to have it come from Italy versus, you know, and I know they grow things out here too, but you know what I mean, that there's a thing. It's a difference. There's a difference. I mean, it's probably part of that is the soul and part of that is the climate. I don't know. I mean, well, I think their top soul may be better than ours over what we've done over the years. You know, to our land is a little bit different, but all right. So, Sal's, you got to go to the Sal's and there's a museum and gallery. Oh, wait a minute. We can't leave out the gallery in the museum. The Glencoe Mansion is it's fully decorated. It's filled with family pieces. So, you sort of see how the Wharton family lived when they lived there, but then they also have history exhibits and geology. Wharton's? Do you Wharton's? I don't think so. These were the right for Wharton's. They were not to be confused with the other Wharton's. That's right. There's, well, I mean, there's a Wharton's, you know, business school. Yeah. Yeah, there's all kinds of Wharton's. Wharton's and they're probably, you know, when they do their family training. Are you related to the Wharton's? Are you related? No Wharton's in your blood. No Wharton's in my background, but I know. Okay. And I'm trying to look at my black. Yeah, we don't. She's addicted to family history. But so, so the museum that, but, you know, that's the thing. I love to go to local museums and see. Yeah. It makes sense when you see the buildings and you can imagine where you're walking. You see how they live back then, you know? Yeah. You kind of appreciate the men and the women. When you come in the front door, there's a parlor on each side. So that the men could go in there and close the door and they could drink their scotch and have cigars and the women would go in on the other side and probably have their little glass of wine or sherry. Yeah. Absolutely. You can, you can make chocolate when you don't. They're having tea and like, you know, come on. I bet you tea totties were happening back in the day and they just never said it. We know what was in their cup. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mine's coffee today. I'm sorry. I need coffee. I don't have anything fun in my cup. I need to come see you. Well, I'm ready. I'll tell you. Oh, you got your have glass, my have glass. I'm ready. What is that? What a color? What is that? This is the last, unfortunately, of my wine from the Azores. Yeah. I was gonna say it looks kind of porto kind of. It's porto kind of because it's from Portugal. So it's it can be called port. It's from Portugal. But oh, my goodness. That looks good. What a good color. Okay. I know. Just the smell makes you smile. Oh, I like this. All right. So the museum, I'm going to go back. See, we've got all over the place and to finish up with the museum beside the history of the family and their furnishings. We got derailed on wine. Yeah, we did. That happens to us a lot. Even when we're not drinking it, we get it right now. Just a coffee. They also have the history of the area exhibits and they have an art gallery. So they rotate in and out different artists, local artists. So you may see that's crazy art or you may see landscapes. You never know what you're going to see in the art gallery portion of the Glencoe Mansion. I got to show you this. I seek dead people. I do genealogy. That's what's on my cup. What's inside is boring, but I do like a good cup of coffee. We'll pretend there's something good inside that. Well, you know, what you could do, you know, I've go to the distillery. They know how to hook up. You can you can hook that coffee up from the distilleries. They know, they know how to do it, you know. I do. But so I'm interested in calling. I just rather have mine. That's great. What's going on, Joe? How could you not like coffee? It's not it's the bed. It's a balancer to wine, wine at night. Yeah, water is going to you got to have water throughout the day. You have wine at night coffee in the morning. This is my this is my water. Oh, that's a big good thing. We have a lot of water. Probably two of them a day. Wow. See, look how we derailed. We started talking about water. We're talking about Jesus again. See, she keeps going. Jesus, here's my water. Fix it. Fix it. Fix it. I'm on. Yeah, I'm low on last. Yeah, I want to. I am dying to know about Anastasia's speakeasy. I think speakeasies are so cool. Tell yeah, I mean, tell us. Well, I will put a picture with my article and you'll have to tell me and you've seen the picture. So can you tell me in that little barbershop how to get in the speakeasy? You bring a razor blade? No, it's behind the cigarette machine. You open the cigarette machine and that's the door to the speakeasy hidden and put it behind. Yeah, that is so cool. Yeah, it is. It's really cool. And Anastasia's has they have really, really good food. They have a prime rib slider that is so good. So they have all kinds of good food and they have lots of fancy drinks with foam and flowers and different things. They have one that I had that you get the drink and it's covered with a bubble. And you're supposed to, I don't know, bite the bubble or something and it pops. And that's how you get to your drink. I kind of think of the name of some of those drinks. I'm going to have to look those up and make sure that I mention them by name in the article. That's, you know, but those, this sounds some mixology and the arts. I mean, this is happening. This is happening. I'm liking this. So Anastasia is now the Old Town Social House scene. I'm liking this. I mean, we were just at, you know, at a church serving beer. Now, this is like a car place. The Old Town Social House is in an old car dealership. And some of the pictures that I sent you, I know you looked at those and thought this is some dirt cellar. Why is she sending me this? And then there's this mangled piece of metal. Well, the story is that they had cars, of course, inside of a car dealership lined up and there was the garage behind the showroom, which also had cars in there. And somebody, I don't know who, think that's in the article that I read, but somebody came in a little hot in a car that might have had some illegal transportation going on in its trunk. And it caught fire. And just suddenly sent out and blew up and it blew a hole in the car dealership garage. The floor collapsed, knew the car that had the illegal moonshine in it went down first, of course. And several new cars came in on top of it. So I don't know if they reported it at the time. I can't remember that whole story. You'll have to go to Old Town and ask for the story. But they essentially, they put a floor on top and just kept on going with business. So all these things were still in the basement. So when these folks took over the dealership and turned it into a beautiful wine bar and it's filled with gong with the wind lamps and Victorian sofas. And you have little groupings and seating areas all throughout. You have a separate room that has a pretty nicely whitewashed brick wall and they show old films. So it's a lot going on in this little place. They wanted to expand and they were thinking, you know, if we had a basement, you could have kind of almost a speakeasy kind of place. But with beer on tap and live music and it would open out into the backyard. So they started kind of looking through the cellar and trying to figure out what was possible. And that's when they discovered that all these cars that were burned and trashed were still down there. So they had a lot of cleanup and a lot of digging out to do, but they've done it. And that has now been named the Alley Cat. And they have beers on tap and they have, I'm sure food and wine is available because it's available upstairs. And it's just filled with interesting history and interesting people. You meet interesting people everywhere you go in Rocky Mail. Yeah, Rocky Mail. Have you heard that you've got really good hot dogs? There's another Blue Ridge Farm Museum. So museums are really cool. Out at Farron College. Yeah. Yeah. So but bowlings, you say the best hot dogs period. Period. Yeah. Yeah. You got you stop at bowlings for a hot dog. I don't care what time it is. You just got to stop bowlings. If you're on the way from Rocky Mountain out to Farron College to go to the Farm Museum, that it's right on the way. You can't miss it. It's a little teeny, tiny, white building. I think it's probably got two booths and maybe six stools. Most people come in bowlings and get it and go back out. But if you're tourists like me, then you sit down and have your hot dog inside. And if you do that, it's nice because if it doesn't fill you up, you can get a second. This is sounding good. It's sounding good. Yeah. I'm kind of ready for a hot dog. I want some mustard. Yeah. I want some mustard. Yeah. That sounds good. Sounds like a fun area to go spend time in and all the towns. You could probably spend like a decent week exploring, you know? At least. I think you could spend a week in Roanoke and we haven't even talked about Roanoke. Mmm. A lot. You've got the Mill Mountain Zoo. You've got the Transportation Museum. We did talk about that. You have the History Museum. You have Hotel Roanoke, which is a museum in and of itself. It's a fabulous place. And you have to eat there because you have to have peanut soup. Oh. I've never had that. It's an order. You have to go to the Hotel Roanoke and have peanut soup. It's nice. You can't live without it. Wow. And you've got Dixie Caverns because you're in the mountains. So you've got caverns. Caverns and caves. That's the other part of it. Well, yeah. There's a cave leading into it and then it goes down and down and down into a cavern. So amazing place. Amazing. The Grandin Theatre. There's an old neighborhood in Roanoke and they have a 1930s movie house that's been completely renovated and it's absolutely gorgeous. Mmm. Man. Lots. Going on. And if you're re- sorry. Yeah, I was going to say this is an area that you really do need to plan to spend some time or just keep going back every weekend or something if you can. Yeah. If you're close enough, you could go for a long weekend once a month. The Shenandoah Park isn't far and neither is Smoky Mountains National Park in a way. They're both close. In Roanoke, if you're remodeling a house or if the bug bites you and you are remodeling something, an old building, an old house, there's a place called Blackgog salvage and they used to even have a TV show, Blackgog. So they have got everything from doorknobs to purgolas and kupolas to put on top of your house. If it can be taken off of an existing building that's being demolished, Blackgog has it. Wow. Wow. So everyone, you've got to go to Joe's article on recipes. Oh, and let me go get this correct. I want to make sure recipestravelculture.com and also keep up with her and have glass bowl trap will travel.com and she is here every second Sunday at 7 p.m. Eastern time. So tune in and follow the shows. Also, she's on biglinradio.com and next month we're going to Africa apparently to Southwest Africa. We're going to Namibia. So that's going to be fun to talk about. Yep. I can't wait to go back to Namibia when I start preparing for my podcast. It's like I'm reliving the whole trip again. Awesome. Well, Namibia is beautiful. It's beautiful. We've been on the Kalahari Desert side of it and it's absolutely stunning. So everyone stay tuned and tune in on Sunday. Thanks, Joe. Thank you. Bye. 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