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301 - The Blurry Book of Enoch with Nate Henry from Blurry Creatures!

Greetings, Congregation! This week, the banger episodes continue with none other than Nate Henry from Blurry Creatures! Nate, along with Timothy Alberino, just released their own version of The Book of Enoch, complete with commentary from Tim, illustrations from Nate, and all the citations you could ask for. It's a great intro to the world of Genisis 6. But really, Nate and I talk about how we met, the early days of Sherwood, MySpace, what it's like when your podcast explodes in popularity, and much much more. music: Different Drugs by Bloc Party and Weight of the World by Spoon www.patreon.com/churchandotherdrugs churchandotherdrugs@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1h 11m
Broadcast on:
07 Jul 2024
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mp3

Greetings, Congregation! This week, the banger episodes continue with none other than Nate Henry from Blurry Creatures! Nate, along with Timothy Alberino, just released their own version of The Book of Enoch, complete with commentary from Tim, illustrations from Nate, and all the citations you could ask for. It's a great intro to the world of Genisis 6. But really, Nate and I talk about how we met, the early days of Sherwood, MySpace, what it's like when your podcast explodes in popularity, and much much more.

music: Different Drugs by Bloc Party and Weight of the World by Spoon

www.patreon.com/churchandotherdrugs

churchandotherdrugs@gmail.com

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It comes with illustrations that Nate did. Commentary by Timothy Alperino. It's really good I ordered a copy from Uncle Chip and mine just came in the other day. So if you've never read the book of Enoch, this is actually a pretty user-friendly way to start. But really me and Nate talk a lot about podcasting and what happens when your podcast gets way big, way fast. We kind of talk about how me and Nate, listen, I'm still drinking my coffee so it obviously has not kicked in yet. How me and Nate met and back, all the way back it is don't feed the troll base his earlier podcast. So it was a good time. It was a good hang with Nate. A few, man, speaking of Patreon. If you've joined patreon.com/churchandotherdrugs, I've been going back and listening to old episodes and there are some gems on there. There's over 100 bonus episodes on there. So if you ever feel like, if you've run out of stuff to listen to on the main episodes, consider joining patreon, patreon.com/churchandotherdrugs and you'll have a whole new world of funny content. It's, the old stuff with me and Brad is the Q and the eight ball episode had me dying. It's good stuff. But without further ado, here's me and Nate. (upbeat music) ♪ Would you place with me ♪ ♪ Or would you chase with me ♪ ♪ It's all it is that you're right ♪ ♪ Just the way to learn I'm still ♪ ♪ But now we're running off the road ♪ ♪ 'Cause you're a sleeper the wheel ♪ ♪ Which way do you choose ♪ ♪ 'Cause right now I choose you ♪ ♪ You still think you need for me ♪ ♪ Do you still think you need me ♪ ♪ I'm trying to approach the distance ♪ ♪ It's growing in our lives ♪ ♪ But they're not until the morning ♪ ♪ Like well different drugs that I say too much ♪ ♪ Did I take too much ♪ ♪ The temptation to vacate seduces us ♪ ♪ I'm trying to be the static ♪ ♪ That's living in our hearts ♪ ♪ Like white noise that's in the distance ♪ ♪ That will only drown us out ♪ ♪ Did I say too much ♪ ♪ Did I take too much ♪ ♪ The temptation to vacate seduces us ♪ - See, I am, I will forever be spoiled pretty much anywhere I move because I've got gig service like through fiber. Dude, it's awesome. Never goes out, no interruptions like it's the best. - It's the best. - I need to get that. - I hear, I do hear, my buddy just got a job out in West Texas being like a inspector for oil and gas, something like that. And so he owns his house in Lafayette. So he just bought an RV and he's staying in an RV. So he got Starlink and hooked it up down there. He says it works really well. - Yeah, he's going to put the whole world on the internet, man, it's kind of crazy. - Yeah, you saw that guy who was solo sail boating across the Pacific and he was using Starlink? That's crazy that you can be in, that's insane. That's really well. - That's funny. We're trying to get a guy like that on the show who, one of those dudes, he's actually coming on next week who wrote a book and he was hiking and he saw Yeti tracks. And he's one of those world traveler guys. But when we emailed him, he's like, I'm actually going across the Pacific right now. So I'll have to get back to you in a month. - I couldn't, are you-- - My thought is Starlink, he must have had Starlink. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Are you scared, do you have Thassalophobia? - What is that? - Scared of deep water. - Thassalophobia, that's what it's called. Like fear of the open ocean, basically. - Definitely, yeah, that's probably one of the things. More murky water, like just you don't know what's in it. You don't know what's coming out of it. That is kind of freaky. - Yeah, I have too much, well, okay, it's because I was at my grandma's house when I was, I don't know, six and I saw the ending of Friday the 13th. - Okay. - Yep, where he jumps out of the lake and grabs that girl, and ever since then, bro, I cannot do water where I can't see the bottom. I just imagine something grabbing me and pulling me down. - Really, still this day. It's funny 'cause West Coast kids, we grow up with a lot of water that you can see the bottom. - Right. - We're lakes. - And they lose. - You move out here, you move out in like the South, Tennessee, you get out of the mountains and it's like, you don't, you can't. I mean, you get, in Tennessee, if you get like a foot of visibility, you're doing good. - We just, we went to the beach last weekend and it was the clearest water, like I've ever seen in Florida. - Go to Florida? - Yeah, we went to Navarre, like right next to Pensacola. - Yeah, yeah. - There was a bunch of shark attacks there though, in the Emerald Coast, which is crazy rare. - Yeah, I remember when I was there one time, I swam out to this, they made this like, figure eight in the water and you could swim out. And it was pretty decent swim and I swam there with another dad that we met on the beach. And when it was getting about 20 feet, you could see down in the bottom like, ah, this is getting a little crazy. - Yeah. - We were on like some sort of floating device, I think. He had like a raft and I had a tube or something. So it felt somewhat better, but still. - Yeah, it was, we went on a missions trip to the Bahamas, like every youth group. - Is this live by the way, or are we on this show? - Oh yeah, we're going, this is the show. (laughing) - Why love it? - Why not, why not, do whatever. And the last day, we went to Nassau, like we did a vacation bible school the whole week. And then the last day, we got like a fun day and we went to Nassau, which is like the resort part. - Yeah. - We have a, they're swimming beach. It's roped off with like shark nets, but you could see straight to the bottom and it was like 30, 40 feet deep and that was the freakiest shit in the world, man. (laughing) But you say that about dads. This was my first, I've done a, have I done a dad vacation? This was like my first like taking your family to the beach as a dad. - Yeah. - And it's so, it's so funny how it is like dad code. Like I said, so like this, we were on the beach and this other dad was like, "Hey man, I got this little like sunshade thing for my kids, is your daughter want to play with it?" And it's like, "Yeah dude." And it's funny, it was very fun. She loved it. (laughing) - Yeah, it's a new world. - Yeah. - People are way nicer to you if you have a baby. - They just don't look at you like, "Oh, this guy gets it, he's somewhat responsible." - I guess so. - And trustworthy. - Yeah, maybe so. For all that-- - God's not just handing babies to nobody, you know what I mean? - I will strongly push back on that. (laughing) I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. He seems to be-- - Pretty well, man, hell of a thing. - So yeah, Nate Henry. (laughing) No introduction needed. What were you saying at the beginning? We were saying you were worn out or something. Was that where you were going with it or? - Yeah, I need to clone myself. It's not talking about cloning, but since the last time we've done a podcast episode, it's just lots of going on and started a podcast called "Blurry Creatures" for those who don't know. And it has kind of grown into a blurry creature of its own. So it's good, it's a good problem, but I've been sort of one of the main parts of the creative part of the podcast and Luke is, my co-host is doing a lot more of the business. And so I just can't pull enough creative. I just have to design all the time. I'm basically a full-time editor, designer, and ideas guy. And we're doing events and we're doing podcasts. We just put out a book of enox. It's been a wild year. - That's kind of what I wanna talk a little bit about. - Yeah. - Because it's like, okay. Things, the way things just carry momentum. And if you play it wrong, it all falls apart. Or if you play it right, it's kind of like, you're on the roller, do you have this fear of like, if you stop for a second, it's all gonna go away? - Sort of, and I experienced that playing music, you know, my whole band. - That's right, you know. So you've kind of done the momentum thing. - Yeah, like our band hit the wave of Myspace and Sherwood was the band. - Yeah, if y'all don't know, this is Dan Coke's old bandmate. And I have Dan on all the time. I go on Dan's podcast all the time, and I have you on all the time. - He lets you on, he lets you on. - It's so funny, he tolerates my, he knows where I stand. - Yeah, yeah, he lets you on. - Yeah, so I mean, we wrote that wave, and then Myspace died and we died with it. So the cool thing is, and I think that's why we're trying to diversify as much as possible, not just be a podcast, because podcasting, you know, kind of, you know, becomes something else. I don't really know what else it could become, but who knows, in the future, if AI starts releasing podcasts and puts us all out of business, basically clones everybody and does their own AI show, the AI Joe Rogan will be a thing. You know it's gonna happen. - Absolutely, it already is a thing. - Yeah, and I do feel a little bit of that, but I think there's gonna be a human market. There's gonna be people who promote, this is human-made, these are human-made shows, these are not, and there's gonna be some sort of fact-checking, and it's gonna be like maybe even a little bit of a, kind of a specialty. Oh, this was made a hundred percent by humans. - Oh, that's gonna be so weird. Yeah, instead of made in America, it's gonna say made by humans. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, like digital stuff, like artists, I don't know, I mean, you create art, you know what I'm talking about. But I feel like there is a lot of pressure now, 'cause the show's kind of gone, like this week, we hit 130 on Spotify. - Which, and for reference, there are how many millions of podcasts? I mean-- - Oh, no. - Probably hundreds, I don't know if there's a million, hundreds of thousands, at least on Spotify. - No, I think Rogan said there was like four million active podcasts. - Holy shit, probably more, because every single day, there's a new version of our podcast that comes out. - Yeah, well-- - Made by the sun, so-- - That, we've inspired probably a couple hundred of those, it seems, and-- - So, yes. - So I traced, okay, do you know Jared's fencing? Do you know Joey's fencing? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Okay, do you know Jared, his brother? Okay, so Jared, I can't remember, it's a chicken or egg situation. When I started getting into hyzer and stuff, Jared was trying to convince the bad Christian guys about Nephilim and that sort of stuff, so he was really like way ahead of the curve. - Let's go. - And then I jumped on the train, and now it's like the same thing with how the alt-right latched on to Hollywood blood-drinking cult conspiracies. It's like, but it's so over done right now. And now it makes me wanna back away from it. It's a weird thing to explode. Like, I don't really understand why this in particular, like, just caught the wave. - Yeah. - Because you-- - It did. - Yeah, because, like, I guess I didn't know, like, did you think, like, I would have assumed that like my show, "Blurry Creatures" was super niche. Niche, Niche. - Yeah, both work. - Yeah, both work. And instead, it's wildly in the zeitgeist right now. Like, it's-- - There's been some weird stories. - Yeah. - I didn't either. And I think that's the hard part is, you know, we're kind of dealing with a lot of the, the weirder part of success-ish, you know? Like, I mean, we're still niche, I think. - Talk about it, what's the weirder part of success? - People, I've noticed in this medium, people know you in their mind more than music. So when they listen to your band, they don't feel like they get to know you. They like your music, but they don't have any idea who you are. Social media gives you a little bit more of an access to an artist you like. But when you listen to a podcast, you develop this pair of social relationship that doesn't even happen when you're in a band. So it's a new medium for me to go, "Oh, people like getting mad at you "when you say something they don't like "or you release an episode they don't like." Or, you know, you ask questions, they think that they own you. There's a lot more entitlement that comes with podcasting. And so we've had a lot of fans kind of turn on us. - Really? - And yeah, it's really strange. They think they, they think you're your friend. And then when you, when you create boundaries, like, "Hey, this is our podcast. "You can do your own podcast, "but we're not here to, like, we're in a, "this podcasting game is like, "it's a content machine. "If you don't release content, you die. "And it's like, it's not for fun and games all the time. "I mean, we started it as a podcast, "but now it's like my job, it's my co-host's job. "We're doing this as a job. "We're not here to, like, promote the 500 podcasts "who all want to be our friend and our, "it's just not why we exist, you know? "Right." - And I don't know you from anyone else in terms of, like, just people hit us up all the time. So if you don't, there's a little bit of that, but then there's people who just gossip about you. They're, like, looking through your stuff. And I, it's not to the level of, like, crazy stalking, but there are stalkers and some of our guests get stalked and it's just so weird stuff is happening. - Like, what does that look like? Like, like, they are emailing, they're message boarding. Like, when you say people get mad at you and, like, what does that practically look like? - Yeah, we get emails and they're like, "I used to be a fan and you did this interview "and now I hate you guys." - Oh my God. - Yeah. Like, used to support, they'll cancel their memberships, they'll be members, and then something will happen, they'll cancel, and, and, you know, they just don't have any information other than what someone online will say, or, you know, they just, I think it's like the church. I think this is what pastors experience. There's a whole core of people who I think are demonically influenced to move into something and start gossip and drama and destroy it. That's, that's honestly a thing that I think happens in churches and communities. And I think if you're onto something and you start a community, which is kind of what we've found that our podcast is, we started this community, people want to hang out, they want to get to know each other. And, and it's like they're influenced to just like, just, they love you so much, they hate you. Yeah, but I don't know, I don't know why that's a thing, but it is, it's a thing. Because they, they feel a sense of ownership, I think. Yeah. I only had, I only had, so there was one time, it was early on when one of my friends died, I think, and I posted a, a really shot from the hip, emotional, like one shot episode, and I gave out my phone number, and I said, if anyone is... Oh man, bad idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm getting there. (laughing) Bad idea. I was like, hey, if anybody, if anybody, I meant it. I mean, I still do, but I gave up my phone number. And boy, did I get some calls. Some of them, and, and one of them in particular was a real bummer because, I mean, it lasted, excuse me, it lasted like, oh God, three or four weeks of like every day, he's just saying how like, oh, I just wanna kill myself, and I have nothing to live for, and I'm so, I'm like firing. It's like, it's, I broke every therapist rule 101 there is, but it's just like, okay, and then eventually, I just kind of had to be like, man, like, I gave you, I pointed you in the direction, I gave the resources at this point, I think you, this is, you just want to continue this weird thing. I got a bizarre call from like a medium in California, who like, that was, that was the weirdest shit. And, and she like, I answered the phone, and she just started going like, I should know who she was, and why we were talking, and I was like, who is this? And she was like, you gave out your number, this is me. And I was like, oh, okay. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah, there are fans like that. And I think in the band days, it wasn't, is, is weird. But now I think there's been this like 20 years where people have had cell phones, and they, you know, social media has been around what, 15 years? And so, somewhere in there, and 2006 is seven, eight, 2008 is when like, social media really like, like, got on your phone, got on your phone, so you could, everyone could have, be like their own celebrity, and their own world kind of thing. I think my space was 2000. - Yeah, I think it was, I think it was, between '07 and '09, it was like, phone, Facebook, maybe. - Yeah, so we've had this long period of time where people kind of worked up that entitlement, so to speak, where we kind of grew up at a time where you didn't have it, and you know, if you wanted to meet your favorite artist, you were blown away, like, you actually met them, you were super kind, you're like, oh, you, I've been listening to your band forever. There's no way I would say something to offend you, or feel like you owe me something, you don't owe me anything. And if they don't give you what you want now, people kind of get weird on you. So, there's that, and that is the downside, but then there's all the great parts of like, having a podcast kind of move into, you know, it's cool to do this podcast. I wake up every day, and there's all this stuff I gotta do, and it's, I can, we could interview people during the day now, for example, it's not a night job anymore, it's cool, and I feel lucky, I feel really lucky that this idea I had, especially too, when just going through some personal stuff, when I really had to decide what I was gonna do with my life, it hit right when I, basically I'll be honest, my ex-wife, she took off right when I was, I needed, I have two kids, I didn't know what it was gonna do, there was a lot going on, and it was just, it's nice to have a job that I can work from home when I want to, and also like, it's what I like, it's what I wanna do, so it's a cool like, mixture of all those things, but it's also, there's a lot of stress, because you, you do gain the fan base, and you do worry sometimes, that like you said, it's just gonna all end one day, but yeah, that was, yeah, we both, that may have been part of the early trauma bonding, but I think we were going through divorces at the same time, and yeah, you were all, we both were all fucked up, like mentally, and you were still dealing with a lime, I don't know if that's sayable. Yeah, I was just, I remember like seeing you today versus then, it's quite, and same with me, I got a daughter now, so like things, things change, very quickly. Lots have happened, very quickly. Yeah, yeah, and you, you know, in podcasting is, for the most part, it's like being in a band, there's, you're lucky if you get to the point where you can tour full time, and it's actually your job, but even then there's still a barrier to break through with bands, but podcasting, it's just, it's all or nothing, either you're, you just, it's just this fun thing you do, and it's a hobby, it's great, or you literally are grinding to make it your job, and I don't know what's harder, I don't know if it's harder to break out as a band, or a podcast, but it seems like sure would never really got to the level where we could stop touring because it was just every dollar went right back into the business, and then at one point, we were hoping we can take a break for six months, make an album, come back out, and when we did that, on our last record, it clearly was too long of a break, and it killed all of our momentum. The record came out, nobody knew it was out, MySpace died, it was like a perfect storm, but podcasting's great, episode every week, you keep people on the hook, people are going back to our back catalog, the back catalog is growing, and we just, we're doing more reels now, and there's just more, honestly, the band kind of set me up to do the content game, 'cause I learned in the MySpace days, we were making YouTube videos before YouTube was a thing, I remember we made this YouTube video of us redoing the intro to Full House. - For sure would? - Yeah, that's great. - We were recording in San Francisco, so we redid the whole, the whole foods. - Do you still have it? - Full House. - Yeah, it's on our Facebook card. - Oh, okay, yeah, I gotta see it, and that became a total TikTok trend, like the people redoing sitcom, that's a pretty funny format. That was 2005, and Tom put it on the front page of MySpace to promote our album, and, I mean, YouTube wasn't even really paying people to do that stuff back then, so, sort of like, all I'm saying is the content game, the thing that you had to do to promote your band, you don't tell people to listen to your music, you invite them into something to listen to your music, and I think we learned that in 2005, 2006, like, make something, and then people will want to get involved. - Did you personally meet MySpace, Tom? - Oh, not only did I meet him, he signed our band, we literally went in, had a meeting with him, he told us he liked our band, we signed our band, like, right there, like, the next time we came through, hung out, he would come to shows in LA, we would always-- - Is it cool? - It was really cool. - Awesome. - Like, I wish Tom would've won the social media game. Actually, I don't know, my life would've been a different direction, for sure, if-- - Yeah. - MySpace didn't take over MySpace, so. - Yeah, I feel like he-- - Facebook, how did I say that? Facebook didn't take over MySpace. - He did it right, dude, he just cashed out, and now what, what, he just goes around and takes pictures, that's like good for him, dude. Take your hundreds of millions of dollars and go. - But I think, yeah, I think he didn't get polluted by the social media game. And I think then, like, it wasn't as much of a beast as it is now. - No, not at all, not even close. - It was just a fun website that blew up, and then he's, I think he was a little too casual with it, but all that to say is, I'm thankful for those years, taught me a lot about what to do, what not to do. There's nobody that you can consult to say, how is this going to appear to fans? How is this going to come across? How is this going to be, how do you design things? How do you market yourself? That's a lot of trial and error, and I think a lot of people don't know what to do, and they do the wrong thing, and then I think you learn, okay, this is what you shouldn't do, this is what you should do, and it's all unwritten rules, but-- - And also, I almost forgot, you don't feed the trolls, era. - Yeah, that's right. - What the hell? - So a couple things on that. Number one, what happened to Matt McDonald? Where did he go? What's he doing? I mean, I guess he's just off the socials, but. - I think, you know, he put out a record. - Yeah, he put out a new album. I think he, you know, he's got kids, and he knows-- - You all don't talk? - I have lost, since COVID, I have pretty much devoted myself to sort of the blurry verse. We talk every once in a while. We haven't talked in a while, but, you know, we talked almost every day for a while there. - So it wasn't like a sour thing, it just happened? - No, no, no, no, Matt and I are, I think there's a lot of those band contacts. I think a lot of people kind of thought I went off the rails, 'cause I was pretty outspoken about COVID and stuff. - Yeah. - My head had been down, I had been down those rabbit holes for a long time, so I was not like, hey, go out and do all these things. I could pretty much tell right away this was an nefarious thing. And a lot of people were just, they just wanted to believe so badly that whatever they were being told was good, accurate stuff. But I had been debating this Sherwood guys over conspiracy theories since the early 2000s, and by the time this rolled out, I think I was into it for about two and a half, three weeks before I was like, okay, my friends in California are like triple masked and won't talk to grandma. And people are having massive birthday barbecues in Tennessee. So clearly, whatever you think, these are just the facts. These people care here, and these people don't care here at all. I mean, not at all, there's like 75 people in the backyard. And so I think I lost, all that to say is I think I lost touch with some people that we didn't have a conversation, but I think somewhere they were like, oh yeah. - Which is so, I'm sorry. That's so stupid. - I'm not saying that is that. - No, yeah, yeah. - I'm not saying that. - That's Matt. - No, I think he would call them now, he'd talk. - Yeah, no, but that's kind of a factual statement in general that I think is, I'm just not that person that, okay, I have so many friends that believe some kooky, we even some like conservative, like whatever, dude, I really don't care, like, I'm not gonna not, like, that's not gonna make me like, unless you know you're like a like hardcore racist or something, but you know what I mean? And if it's just like, you know, whatever, dude. I also was thinking about, you have the, this is how funny life is, what-- - Oh, we did 100 episodes of that podcast, by the way. So it wasn't-- - I know, well-- - It was a thing. - It was a thing. So it was such a thing that 2015 I was like, hey man, come here, and I sat, I can't remember who, I sat my friend in the car, and I was like, listen to this shit, and it was you reading my email. - Let's go. - Do you remember that? - Uh-huh, I don't know. - Really? That was our, that was the first contact ever. And I was like, dude, check this out. They said my name, and yeah, dude. Yeah, and then-- - That's awesome. - And then I emailed y'all to come on the show, and was it you, or only one of y'all did. I had both of y'all on at separate times. - Yeah. - But it was from when y'all were on, don't feed the trolls. - Okay. - Yeah, that show was too much of a variety show, and I think I was just learning like what a podcast is. I think we didn't have a specific idea. - You went viral though, with that Back to the Future. - Yeah. - Video. - We made some memes, and they, but it was like, "Hey, here's this funny meme." And then there was like this really bad, like, slash listen to my podcast. It was like, wait, what? This has nothing to do with your podcast. I think that people who do it right, the, whatever goes viral, is a direct correlation to your brand. So it makes sense. - That was all, yeah, that's always, that was always my issue. It still is kind of with, I'm just shooting, I don't have a clear, like, a lot of my goals sometimes, are like, I just think shit is funny. I want people to laugh at it. - Yeah. - But it's the-- - 'Cause you'd have to be a stand-up comedian with a specific type of brand, and you would constantly have to be making reels, and then you have a podcast. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think the hardest thing is what I wanna say is, it's really hard to start as a podcast, and then become the thing. It's much easier to have a thing that you're known for, then you start the podcast. - Like bad Christian. - Yeah, they were known from Emory, or celebrities all have their podcasts, 'cause they're known from movies, or they're known, or a band guy has a podcast. He's known from his band, but-- - Having a built-in fan base. - Reverse way, like, Luke and I had no, little to no knowledge about the Bigfoot space, the Nephilim space, started interviewing some of these guys, like, Heiser, I knew a little bit from you. You helped me kind of like, hey, check this out. Gary Wayne, those kinds of guys. And then, you know, which is a thousand podcasts, like, weird Christian conspiracy podcasts that interview Gary Wayne, for example. There's thousands. I mean, the dude goes on probably 600 shows a year. He's always on a podcast. So there's a lot of guys trying to do this, but I think a lot of them just don't think, they don't present themselves as normal every day. Let's tell some jokes, let's make fun of Heiser, because I have Photoshopped Heiser on a Bill and Ted's poster. I just didn't care. I was like, if he likes us, he likes us. If he doesn't, he doesn't. And I think that was part of it. We just didn't care. It was like-- - Well, Andy, put these academics on, like-- - You're an entertainer. That's part of it, too, is like, I'm an entertainer. You're an entertainer. - Some people really think that all it takes is interviewing people and asking the same-ass questions. Like, I've finally started just denying, because it's like, I don't want to-- I'm sorry, bro. I'm going to really hate this conversation. I know, oh god, it's like, and they're painfully bad at it. It's like, straight up, you're not good at this, dude. Just a lot of like, yeah, well, OK, so it says here, you're like, bro, shoot me in the head. - You got a lot of that when we got interviewed in the band days, I remember like-- - Oh, I bet. - You would show up, and it was just right off the gate. So how did you get your name? Sure would, and I'd be like, all right, thanks, I got to go. It's just, you haven't done-- just do 10 minutes of research, and full honesty, there's times now that we're so busy, I forget to do some research with the guests we're interviewing. And it's like, man, I am too busy. - Oh, I got the Wikipedia pulled up to the left-- on my left-hand screen, bro, that's how you-- - Well, I used to, and then now I'm usually working to the point when the person comes on the show, and I realize, man, I need to space this out. I need to-- this is our bread and butter. This is the thing we do best. We need to make sure we're well-rested, and we're like 100% there. But we're finally going into a studio. We have some friends, we just did a deal, so we're going into a full production studio now, and not going to do the Zoom thing anymore, which I think-- - I thought you built out your own studio. - Yeah, and we've already kind of outgrown that. It was like-- - Wow. - Just because we needed a place to ship merch. - Oh, okay. - The merch site, the blurry merch has gotten a little crazy, and we don't have a place-- Luke was shipping it out of his house and his garage. He's like, "Dude, I can't keep in here." It's just too much stuff. - I still got to get that dare shirt. - I need to get you that dare shirt. - Send it, bro. - I know, see, that's the thing. We're like, who'd have thought? I never thought in a million years people would be buying podcast merch, but-- - That's-- - I mean-- - Yeah. - It took us like two weeks to ship our Black Friday orders. It was like, it's insane. And I'm like, put Bigfoot on a t-shirt like some sort of, you know, Genesis 6, like, slogan, and then-- - Well, I feel lucky, man. I feel really like it's really cool to have people care enough to buy a shirt, 'cause I realize that's-- - Well, you're a good designer. Number one. - Thanks, man. - Like, that's hilariously-- Before I knew, I remember one day, I was like, "Hey, man, if you ever need me "to design something, I can do that." And you very graciously were like, "Yeah, I think I'm okay." And then I was like, "Oh shit, you're way better "at that than I am. "I'm an idea. "I'm working on the execution, but I love." That's always been my-- If I could have any job regardless of pay, it would just be to design t-shirts, bro. I love it. That's my dream. That is all I do most of the time. I'm designing episode art. I think that was the big deal. I really focused on making good episode art. - It is, yeah. - And trying to put the text in there. And I think that's a big thing, is that designing the logo. I remember I got the logo from a band designer that we met through a friend of ours, you know? Same as Alex, and he was a friend of ours. He did some Sherwood designs. I was like, "Hey, can you design me a good logo?" And I think it just started, we got really lucky. We got the .com and all the social handles. And then the logo came back and right away, I was like, "I like this. "This is cool." And it wasn't like a thousand different mockups. It was the first logo that we got from him. He gave me different color options, and I picked the pink one, but-- - The eye logo? - Yeah, yeah. It just started out of the gate easier. I don't know how to explain it, but being in a band, it's exhausting to get to the point where you've got five guys that agree. You've got a good logo, you've got a good sound, you've got good lyrics, you've got good aesthetics, you guys look good on stage, you have good management, you've got a good label. To have all those things go right is so incredibly hard. It's so hard. I don't even know. - Can you even, I mean, it does not seem like you can make a living as a band anymore, like right now. - Or you're huge, and you make a-- - Right, yes, it's, well, yes, the medium, exactly. That's like the midsize, touring, metal core band, you're just breaking even, it seems like. - Yeah, I wore you can, there are more ways. Like you couldn't make money in a podcasting 15 years ago, really, like you can now, you can sell your own memberships, you can sell merch easier, you could get advertising easier 'cause everyone's moving from traditional media to podcasts to advertise, you can get sponsorship deals, you can make money on YouTube, you can make money on TikTok, you can make money on Instagram now, they're starting to pay you. - Are y'all sponsored by anybody? - We signed with the Duck Dynasty guys to do our ads. - That's right, did you meet them? - We're going on their podcast, I think next month once Luke's baby's like out of the baby, he just had a baby so we're not gonna go down. - That's awesome. - Yeah, it's cool, and we really wanted to work with people that we liked, they're cool, but they're also not just some LA company trying to link. And they're not gonna put ads on our podcast that we, that would make our fans upset. And just stuff that Luke and I really care, we waited four years to put podcast ads when we could have probably ran ads at year two, but we waited another two years because we just want to do it right. We don't want people to think like, oh, they're just in it for the money or the-- - Yeah, I just got ads like three months ago, yeah, man. - And that's a grind, it takes a long time for ads to start 'cause-- - And I worry about pissing people off too, but it's like, hey man, I've been doing this for seven years for free, can you all just please, I hope y'all are cool, at Congregation, I hope you're cool with these just a little bit of ads, just turn the volume down for three minutes and then turn it back up, all right, for your old buddy, Jed. - They make that 30 second skip for a reason. - Yeah, but doesn't that mean I don't get paid though? - Yeah, I think so. I think you get some from dynamic ads, but see, that's the whole thing, like, you know, we just didn't want to kill the momentum, but like right now before this I, we did our first host red ad, so-- - Ooh, ooh. - So I had to like-- - That's a big time, dude. - I don't know what this is gonna sound like to fans, but I literally put some music under it and I'm like, either they're gonna love it or hate it, but it's, you know, we're trying to work with companies that are actually legit and just, so they'll send you stuff, and then if you like it, you just, it's another way to pay the bills, and we both got family, and we spend one reasonable amount of time doing this thing, so. But then, you know, our book, our first book comes out. - Yes, yes, that's-- - Book of Enoch, and now everyone's like, it's cool, it's cool to have the Book of Enoch number 30 on Amazon Best Book List. It's like, it feels cool to like push the Book of Enoch into the mainstream. - Yeah, explain the book. I mean, like, we wanted to put out a book over, we've got so many emails over the years. What Book of Enoch should I get? What Book of Enoch should I get? And it looks like we need to put a really, a really highly edited version, compare different translations, make sure it's the most, like, formatted, do good artwork, and yeah. - How does that-- - So how does that, is that like a fair use? - Yeah, it's public domain. - Oh, okay. - Well, it's public domain, there's a ton of them on there. - Church of the Drugs is about to put out a Book of Enoch. How do you like them apples, them, bro? - Oh, dude, took us eight months, so you better get on it. If you want to compete with all the other books of Enoch-- - No, I'm good. - You have to be the best, you have to be the most accurate, no spelling errors, I mean, it's 240 pages if you put all three. - How did you do the art? - We worked with, Tim and I did the artwork, we probably spent a month generating art over and over and over and over again, and then putting in cues, I worked in Photoshop with some of the generated images, I mean, for a public domain book, it's really hard to get concept art, and then some of these ideas too are like, how do you display the end of the golden age when the pyramids are at the height of there, and then there's like some sort of maybe like a hybrid UFO war that destroyed whatever those civilizations were, and then the flood comes, right? - Wait, is that in the book of Enoch? - Wait, no, but that's kind of what I, what, over our course of our podcast that the height of, I think there was UFO tech back then. - Okay. - And I think that's all-- - What's the evidence? - That was all part of it. - What's the evidence, the paintings beyond that, or is that, or is this just a educated hunch? - One of our most popular episodes before Tim came on, Tim Alberino, who we released the book with, for those who don't know. Tim Alberino was a big gen six guy. He's been all over the world. He's been to like all the places the giants are from Sardinia to Peru. We went, we did a trip with him to Peru actually with like 40 listeners, and we've got to go to the Megaliths and see these stones and socks I want them to. - That's so tight, dude. - And they're massive, massive stones. - What was that? - Yeah, exactly. - What was that like? - No, I'm sorry, this is, that's fucking crazy. Like, is it? So the only thing I've seen is Guachemontones, which is the old, it's like a step pyramid in-- - Yeah, you went there. You signed me a photo. - So, but I've never seen, so like, what is it, does it really just slap you in the face that like there's no way people made this, that like the gist that you get? - Well, if they made it, they didn't make it on their tech. They learned this technology from a previous race. And so, in that episode with Tim, he says, "I believe that the Watchers came down on Mount Herman via some sort of advanced aerospace technology, that they've always had this technology." So they basically landed their craft on Mount Herman, got out, and we're like, "Hey, we're here. We're picking up some ladies." It's kind of like the old, you know, - Why the drive by at the ancient times, you know? - No, it's, Earth girls are easy, do you remember that movie with Jeff Goldblum, and Jim Carrey? - You know, I saw like a little bit of that. - That's exactly what happens is like the aliens come, yeah, anyway, wait, why, okay, this-- - So that's-- - Why are craft though? Why would they need a craft? - Well, why do they have craft now? - Yeah, a good point. - And so, if they have always had this advanced technology, and I believe they do, I mean, there's famous UFO sightings from like the 1400s, and that's what we, I remember having this debate with an exorcist on our show. He's like, "It's only a modern deception." I'm like, "Bro, there are UFO stories that go all the way back. In fact, we brought on Diana Pasulka before she went on Joe Rogan. She came on our show. - Who is that? - Dr. Diana Pasulka, she's a professor. She wrote a book called "American Cosmic" and it's about UFOs and stuff. And she said there's a whole wing, or there's an archive in the Vatican library about dedicated UFOs. So it's ancient, bro, it's ancient. And they keep some of that stuff hidden and you have to be a academic professor, Catholic, to get in there and you have to wear these special gloves and she said they have someone follow you around and these books are like, "Open 'em up and they'll fall apart old." - Oh God, I would kill. I would kill for 30 minutes. - You can listen to that episode. Diana Pasulka, blurry creatures, if you wanna listen to her talk about that. But I think the ancient, the UFO thing is not a modern phenomena. It's a lot of Christians and a lot of progressives don't wanna accept this fact. Both of them don't accept the fact. The progressives don't believe anything weird happens and the conservative Christians don't wanna believe anything too weird happens, right? So we're always sort of blowing the whistle on, dude, this stuff's been going on a long time. There's good and bad angels, angelic beings, whatever you wanna call 'em. Probably warring with each other, flying craft, maybe shooting each other down. We have no idea. Is this how washers we're protecting our right to be here? And a lot of people, it gets into sort of theological conversations of what is an angel capable of? What can an angel do? An angel can't just do anything. You're giving God-like qualities to an angelic being. You think an angel can just materialize into whatever it wants and show up wherever it wants? It has to get from point A to point B. Like in-- - Yeah, I guess it's everyone who has the conception of winged angels that obviously they can just fly. That was just a distinguish, the difference between angels and humans in Renaissance paintings. It wasn't that they believed that they had wings. It was just a distinguish, this is an angel in a painting, and this is a human in a painting. So they believed they were two different things, but they often look like each other, which is Tim's biggest thing is that they look not only like us, but we have the same parts, and that's why they were able to hook up with women in Genesis 6 and create the giants of the Old Testament. That they were human enough. Listen. - But at next level. - You know what? - Next level humans. - You know what? I'm gonna be really brave here. - I just dropped it for years. - Check it out. - I'm gonna be really brave here and say the thing that nobody wants to say. I bet those watchers knew how to take it to town. Do you know what I'm saying? I bet that was some good loving. - I'll tell you what, bro. - Exactly. They were probably, they were just probably described like the Nordic aliens are described. These blonde-haired, seven-foot-tall, beautiful beings, when people describe the Nordic aliens having theirs, they look like elves, yeah. And I think that we depict them in our book of Enoch. That's, I think women lined up. Some people think that they raped women, and other people think that the angels seduced the women. - I believe they were both going on, but mostly if it's like you and I can just normal dudes and then the seven-foot-tall Brad Pitts went down. We're screwed. - I can see the dudes at the local pub like ever since these angels showed up dude, like I can't get any dates, bro. This is bullshit, like get 'em out of here, bro. - But you gotta think about it in practical terms. I think it's really a disservice to think about the spiritual story that we're in in modern practical, you know, rational terms. Like this whole thing is a crazy war, and these beings protect our right to exist here, but that doesn't mean that there isn't chaos all around us. - Like what? - Yeah. - It's there, and we talk about it from the beginning of Bigfoot. This weird creature's there, and then you start to peel back the onion layers, like dude, it's all strange. And then the UFO stuff, I didn't know a lot about UFOs and aliens before I started the show, and now I'm like, whoa, there is so much content here. - Well, and it's bananas, so. - A lot, like I am, I'm sure you are too. I, me and my buddy, Corey and all of us that have been following the UAP UFO stuff, it's like I'm so, like please somebody just come out and just, let's have this disclosure already. Like I'm so tired of, and it really is out of the news cycle completely, which is, which that should be the biggest red flag or confirmation that it's true, the fact that, I mean, I'll say it again, the government came out and said UFOs are real, and people could give two shits, dude. Nobody cares, or they're not, and they could be made to care if Fox News just pumped it, you know? Like they. - Well, Fox News had Tucker on talking about it first in 2017-18. He was the first real guy to talk about it on the news, and then from there it became, then all of a sudden you had the Congressman. This is the craziest story, Jed, about our podcast. - Okay. - Tim Alberina, who we put the book of in out with, got a call from a Congressman on the UFO disclosure committee and said, "I need to talk to you "about your thoughts on aliens and UFOs." He goes, "Why?" He's like, "I'm a Congressman." He's like, "How'd you get my number? "How'd you hear about me?" He's like, "I heard you on a podcast." Call blurry creatures. And I was like, "Congressmen on UFOs are listening, "are listening to us go back and forth about these stuff." This is insanity. And sure enough, he was on, he gets a phone call and there's a bunch of Congressman. He was on a meeting and told them what he thinks they are and was able to kind of prep a bunch of people trying to, so there's a group of Congressman trying to push this forward into the public sphere, and they're meeting a lot of resistance. So they're the ones who are asking the questions. They have to meet in the skiffs to like, ask these guys who are the whistleblowers. It isn't really the government admitting it as much as it's whistleblowers from the government. - Right, true, true. - Who are saying, "This is a thing," and you better take it serious, Congress, because people are dying and being clintoned in the bushes, and you know, being clintoned. - You gotta do something. You gotta get this out there, so they're afraid for their lives, and now that the Snowden policies exist, where you can be protected if you come out and blow the whistle on something. So it's the government reluctantly admitting that UFOs and alien stuff, there's non-human biologics, is what he said, David Grush, and there's UFO craft that are not human. So we have multiple people and agencies talking about this, and you have a whole committee in Congress devoted to, the way that the government works, though, is they hire private companies to deal with all this so they don't have to disclose any of it. So they hire, they find a UFO that's been crashed. They hire a private company, come clean it all up, they put it underground, you don't know where it is, then they reverse engineer it all, and then if you do a FOIA, you know, there's nothing they can do, because it's not the government. - Oh, yeah, smart. - So they hide it all that way, and they have their own, they're developing technologies from this technology, which is what the Book of Enoch says. They gave us this tech way long ago. They taught us all this technology, and we just assume technology means wires and screens. - Right. - No, like the pyramid was a piece of technology. It did something. It was an ancient generator or an ancient chemical factory or an ancient something. It wasn't a big mountain made out of rock. It was not that. - And it wasn't a tomb. - It wasn't a tomb. - Which is crazy that you say that and people just think you are outside the box, but it's just like that was fabricated. Like that's not, and that, dude, the fact that the Egyptologists in Egypt are so hell-bent on not changing their minds, and will not. - Have you read what's happening to go Beckley, Teffi? - I have not. - Okay, so one of the most ancient sites they've found is Go Beckley, Teffi. They've started to undig it. They dug it up. They started realizing this is wailed. This is like 15,000 years old, and they have this technology that shouldn't exist then. So they started, they planted an orchard around it, and they shut it down. They won't let him dig into it. Like, because it, yeah. You can, there was another guy, his name is Jimmy. Jimmy, I think it's Jimmy Corsetti. He was on "Rogan Show 2." - That sounds right. - He's got a channel called "Right Insight," and he's blowing the whistle on Go Beckley, Teffi right now. We had Hugh Newman on talking about Go Beckley, Teffi. Basically, Turkey has a bunch of stuff, and one guy came on a show and said, I think it was Judd Burton said that he believes Eden was in Turkey. And so you have your explosion of technology that comes out of Turkey, and they're digging up these megalithic cities that shouldn't be around at this period of time. And so anyway, all I have to say is, there are systems in place that want to keep the narrative going and whatever field you find, whether it's UFO tech, whether it's medicine, you know, whether it's archeology, they're all protecting, 'cause they're out of control. You know, the universities can't control the narrative, the professionals can't control the narrative. It's like, this blows a hole in everything. So there are very few scientists, actual scientists in our world, Judd, they who are devoted like a priest to his duty to the truth of like, okay, I have this theory, and this thing, I dug up, blew a hole in my theory, and I have to change my, I have to change, I have to change my perspective now. It's hard to do that, right? - You saw the Harvard paper, right? - Yeah. - That's, that is a step in the right direction. Are y'all gonna do a show on it? - We're gonna do a show with, yeah, I just was talking to Tim today about it, 'cause he, Tim is like our aliens guy. We go to Tim for aliens, yeah. - What was interesting, and it may be here nor there, but the day I found out about the paper, I was able to pull up the actual paper, easiest pie, and then me and my buddy Best brought it up on the podcast, and neither of us could find it anymore. It was like pay walled now. - They took it down. - Yeah, I was like, what the, oh, that's a little weird. - Yeah. - What is your, what is Nate Henry's prediction for the next, like five years, we'll say five years, three to five years. Of of. - For what? - Of like disclosure, our country, the world, like where do you see, 'cause talking about momentum, they're, I get this feeling, I think a lot of people have it, that like something is building up that is about to pop, whether it's another world war, whether it's an invasion event, whether it's a staged invasion event. Something seems like, especially with the election this year, it just, it just, things seem ready to boil over. So I'm just curious, like what do you see happening in the next few years? - I mean, I do think, I think a better way to think about these things, 'cause people get really particular on our show that everything is nefarious. And I think usually it's all the above, like, whether you take whatever conspiracy theory you're in, there's parts of it that are good and bad, right? So like the moon, the fake moon landing people, they immediately think the whole thing's fake. And I'm like, there's probably parts of it that are real, but that just the narrative is fake. And the Hollywood version is fake that we saw. But that doesn't mean they didn't go. And that doesn't mean they didn't have different technology to get there. And they don't want you to know about that. Like the Roswell crash, right? They said, oh, it was just this, you know, it was just this weather balloon. No, you know, like we brought on a guy, several guys, we're on LA Marzulli's, what I'm saying is like, whenever you have a major topic, I think the best way to look at it is all the above is going on. So there are multiple people involved. The New World Order, I believe, is a thing. And I think if you didn't start to smell that during COVID, I don't know what to tell you. How does the whole world shut down? - I can't smell because of COVID. - Ah, sorry. - You could, you could a few weeks later, once your smell came back, you started to go. But just the fact that it's orchestrated, there are orchestrated things going on. But there are also players, the people that don't wanna play that game, and they won't play that game. So it's complicated too, about anything. I do think when it comes to UFO disclosure and aliens, there are people that want this truth to come out. There's like the Tom DeLongs of the world who wanna push this forward, the Steven Greer guys that are like, the aliens are good, and there are friends, and they're here, and we need to help usher them in. And then there's the hardcore Christians who don't wanna believe, they believe it's just demons. It's all fake, it's all holograms. It doesn't even exist, it's just an end times deception. And I'm like, look, both can be true. They can present themselves as our friend, also be a thing, and also usher in maybe an anti-Christ, which is just a Christ figure that isn't Jesus. Like, I'm here to save you from racism and global warming, and also resource issues or whatever. I think there's a lot of narratives going on. There's a lot of problems, but we never seem to focus on the eminent ones, the ones that are actually important. Like, hey, you know, people are being abducted, people are being trafficked. Like, we could talk about racism and gender issues all day long, but people are actually disappearing. Millions of people are going missing, and that is more, but that's not important, that's not even talked about. And you can't even prove that to a lot of people. I think it's a conspiracy theory. Like, oh, yeah, people going missing, that's not really that bad, but it's actually really bad. And I believe that human trafficking is happening on the third dimension and the fourth dimension. I think fourth dimension beings are taking human beings. And I believe third dimension, like human trafficking, and I think alien on human trafficking exists. And there's so much data to prove, everything I'm saying in this episode. So there's human trafficking, and I think that's the number one problem we have. And I think that you can't convince humans that humans are taking humans on a massive level. Look at that. Hey, balloons. And you can't convince people that fourth dimension entities exist, and to say that they're abducting humans is even a bigger, difficult thing to happen. But you have guys like David Pilitus and all these other people out there with Missing 411, and who are trying to say, people are vanishing, up and vanishing. I mean, talking, going from here to somewhere else, and so why are humans being abducted on this level? I think that's a big problem, and I think you have a lot of people being upset about that. But are the aliens gonna show up, Jed? I don't know. I think eventually, I think that the Bible is a repeating themes, right? So when Jesus says the days of Noah, I'm gonna return when it's like the days of Noah, what was interesting about the days of Noah that makes it different than any other time in human history? What was going on when right before God flooded the world? And I believe he did. What was happening? I think you had people inventing ways to sin. I think it was more than a moral rebellion. I think it was a genetic rebellion. I think they were taking anything they could and making it, I mean, imagine if you and I had the technology to take a mouse and a squirrel and put him together, just everyday people. Do you don't think humans would be doing that if we had that technology? If you and I could do anything we wanted, and invent ways to sin, invent drugs, invent species. And so I think they were taking God's creations and bastardizing them to mock God and doing sexual rituals, like stuff that we kind of read about in the Tower of Babel that was like, wait a minute, this is just like perverted. This is like, they're like unlocking some kind of ability when they're doing these things. So I think we're gonna see some debauchery coming that is like, whoa, they can do that now? Yeah, I feel like we're getting there. Like they can pull that off, so we see it. We see it kind of happening. So that, but I also believe that God gives his people protections in like, if you think about the 10 plagues, like these relates were always kind of taken care of. They had their way to kind of avoid the angel of death. They were like, they had their way to, they had light in their homes to avoid the darkness plague. They always had God divided away. So I think-- I'm definitely not scared. Yeah, the Christians are though, which is silly. Yeah, I'm with you. I think it's silly. I don't think, I don't think there's anything to worry about. I asked them anyway. We get out of the fear, they have to get out of the fear mindset and get into, okay, this stuff has always been going on, right? They've always been, they've always been sort of in rebellion towards God. And by they, just enemies of God and all realms, all dominions, all principalities, there's always been a host of things that are not wanting to do God's will. And I think we can be involved in that or we can be opposed to God. It's really a hell of a thing to figure it out and where am I in that? Or be naive and just, put your head in the sand and keep watching football and not care at all. Absolutely, dude. I know. So that's heavy. That's a huge question. I know, I know, that was a good answer, man. That's, Nate, I always love having you on. Okay. Keep doing this. It's fun, dude, you have fun, don't lie. I always feel like I burn you out at the end. Like I just-- No, dude. Okay, good. No, I love it, dude. I'm just on a strict baby schedule these days. So I get my allotted time and then that's it. You know, I've gotten, I will get in so much trouble. Hopefully some blurry, some blurry love is spilled over to your and your realm. Yes. In your world. Yes. Say the actual title of the book and all that, where people-- Okay, it's just the book of Enoch. The easiest way to get it is go to blurryenoch.com and it'll take you right to our book on Amazon. So we have a URL set up blurryenoch.com. You can get the book. That's a great-- URL. Yeah, so that's the easy way. That's what I'm telling people on podcasts. Just go to blurryenoch.com. Head over. It's on, it's actually on discount right now. Amazon is on discount of the book. So it's only, get the book, you get some artwork, you get Tim's commentary. It's like 20 pages of Tim's commentary about, hey, Jesus talked about the book of Enoch. Peter talked about the book of Enoch. Jude talked about the book of Enoch. It's not just something that we've made up to like sell books. There's actually like a ton of context there. So the book of Enoch is in, I think a good place to start. First Enoch, the book of the washers, is the best, I think, thing we have is modern-day Christians to make sense of what the ancients thought. So thanks, Jed, I appreciate you. Yeah, man. Let me come on and pump the podcast and hopefully, you know. Remember the way the world is a sound that we used to buy. Let's go. 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