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Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry
589. Fearlessly Failing: Travel Guide - Palm Springs & Joshua Tree
G'day. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional overshare us. This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello, Gangles. So last week I gave you a live ebb from Yucka Valley. It was kind of almost an extended diary episode because we had been staying in Pioneer Town, Yucka Valley and spent a lot of time in Joshua Tree. And this time last year or about May last year, I went and stayed in Palm Springs with a few mates and did a different kind of a trip hiking and all that kind of thing. So what I wanted to do was put together an actual travel to a guide for the whole area and cover like all areas of interest because you have to kind of like drive through slash past Palm Springs to get to Joshua Tree. Same goes for like you're so close to Pioneer Town and Yucka Valley is like next door like on the outskirts of Joshua Tree. So they're all within a radius, especially where we stayed Yucka Valley, Joshua Tree and Pioneer Town, they're like all within five to 10 minutes of one another. Palm Springs is about 40 minutes. But if you're staying in a lane, you're like, I want a little getaway. You can do it all in, you could do it all in three nights, four days, but I would say if I were you, I'd probably book four nights, five days, if you want to soak up all of this area. So I'm giving you a full blown guide. And I've essentially put together all the things I did last year and this year so that you have a little guide. There are some hacks as well. And so I'm going to share them with you. So this episode, it's not an interview episode. It is just a travel guide, not just, but it is a travel guide for Palm Springs, Joshua Tree, Yucka Valley, Pioneer Town, all in the same area, road trip distance from Los Angeles. No matter where you're staying in Los Angeles, you will get there within two and a half to three hours. So you are going to need a car. That's the first piece of advice. I've got about 40 from books open here. I've got my laptop open. Okay. So let me just get this little book that I have with all the vintage shopping. We did touch on a lot of the vintage shopping last time. Here we go. Last time I was chatted to you, but I just thought the good thing about me, here we go. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Then lost it was the one thing I had to do. Everything else is there we go. Here we go. So first things first, if you're staying in LA for like a couple of weeks or even a month and you're like, oh, because it's the city, it can really weigh you down and it's beautiful, but it's also a beast. And sometimes you just got to get out of the big smoke. Same goes for if you live in Sydney or Melbourne. You kind of like, it's a little great little get away to kind of like get out into nature. This is a great option. So if you were going to get out and say, do a five day getaway, here's how it would go. And here's what I would recommend doing. Get on the road in the morning, wait for the work traffic to go. So like anytime after nine, essentially, I think we got on the road around 10 30 and it took us about two and a half hours to get to Pioneer Town or to the entrance of Pioneer Town, which was Yucka Valley. The way I would recommend doing it though, is going to Palm Springs first because it's like another city, right? So once you get into Joshua Tree, Yucka Valley, Pioneer Town, there's not too many supermarkets, grocery stores and stuff like that. So I would be like, do the start of your trip somewhere in Palm Springs. There are epic airbnbs. There are great hotels there. I have a list of a couple of hotels for you actually because it is just like such a great little, such a great little spot. And so there's so many options. And can I say, they were all like really great deals too. So let's start with Palm Springs. It depends out if you're writing notes, if not, just come back and listen to this later. But basically, where is my little list of, of course, I was, here we go, got it all. I was very feeling very prepared for this. Now I'm like doing all juggling in front of you. But anyway, Palm Springs, either stay in Airbnb, I stayed at an Airbnb called Wild Luxury House that my friend Lily owns. And it was awesome. You definitely still need a car to get around and to get into town and whatnot. So if you don't want to say an Airbnb for whatever reason, although Airbnb's are a great option with Palm Springs, these are some great hotels. There's the Parker Hotel. It also has a great restaurant and a great little bar as well. So even if you don't stay there, it's nice to go there for a little martini. I went there with my friend Alex, we got martinis. And I think we got Mexican like tacos for dinner there as well. The other two hotel spaces that were quite well priced, the jazz hotel, and core, core AKEA, K-O-R-A-K-I-A. And they were like about $200 a night, not too bad. It's very similar to Airbnb's. So you'd probably start off in Palm Springs. Like I said, this little city, you can do luxury shopping there. It's got a great nightlife. It's got great drag shows, all that kind of thing. So you can really live that city lifestyle. There's a little cafe that I went to that I've been looking for for the last half an hour. But it was on Lola Street. I think it's called the coffee cartels, but it was on Lola Street. It was really nice. I remember taking a photo of the Lola Street sign. So Palm Springs was like a little city. There's a Marilyn Monroe statue, great nightlife. And you can kind of live that just luxurious great life. There's a Trader Joe's there. There's a Ralph's there. There's CVS there. There's a lot of things you can get if you're moving on to stay in Joshua Tree the next couple of days. So Palm Springs just feels like a mini city. It's got that really cool 50s architecture vibe. And you can really research the architecture of it. Like Frank Sinatra had a house out there and you can like walk past it. I'm pretty sure Elvis Presley had a house out there and you can just literally walk past it. And the local folks are so lovely. They'll be like that's so and so's house and you'll Google it and it'll be like some incredible actress from like the 50s. You know what I mean? So definitely just give yourself time to walk the streets of Palm Springs. And it really feels like I don't know if you saw the Florence Blue Harry Styles movie called Don't Worry Darling. Obviously it must have all been shot out there. It's all that kind of vibe. There's a really great little park if you just want to like get a lay of the land. It's still in town. You don't need a leaf town. It's called Ruth Park, I believe. I wrote this down just before. It's called Ruth Hardy Park. And that's really closer town. So you get a coffee, sit in the park with some people watching. And if you've got a dog, obviously Palm Springs, all these areas are great to travel with dogs. So many Airbnb is a dog friendly as well out here. It's like California is like I feel like the dog capital of the Maricana. So yeah, I would say great food, great nightlife, easy like Palm Springs is just really easy. It's like a little mini city, got a real cool 50s eclectic kind of vibe as well. And like I said, you can do luxury shopping. It's awesome. So what I would do on your last morning of Palm Springs before you head to Josh return or anything like that is do a big Trader Joe's shop. It's going to be cheaper and they've got the goods. And Trader Joe's has really reasonable and cheap booze too. So if you know, you're going away like we did a big Trader Joe's shop in Palm Springs that our mates before we went to the Airbnb in Yakka Valley. One other thing I want to say is from Palm Springs, I did two incredible hikes, not linked to Joshua Tree, but Palm Springs hikes. Arguably, some of the best hikes I've done in my life. And you know, I've lived in Byron Bay and you know, I've spent a lot of time in Hawaii. They, these hikes are up there. So that the hikes that I did, I entered what's called the Indian canyons. And you pay an entrance fee to enter these, this national park because I believe it is the land has been handed back over. And so you pay an entry fee to go to these bucks. I hope I'm saying all of that correctly. But the first place I went to is Palm Canyon Trail. It is literally an oasis in the middle of the desert, like beautiful palm trees, like waterfalls in the desert. And you can hike to get there. And it's so beautiful. There's a little trading post there at the Palm Canyon Trail. Really cool. I got really beautiful native Indian American like woven things that I sent home to boss and all that kind of stuff. Really, really cool. Trading post is awesome. That hike is great. As soon as you get there, though, it's like warning rattlesnake habitat, extreme caution. And I was like, oh, hooly-dooly. Didn't see one there though. But it is the rocky bit where you're walking down to get to the oasis would for sure be like rattlesnake haven. So if you're going on a hot day, just be like hyper aware and hyper vigilant. This time of the year, it is summer over here right now where at July, August, it's rattlesnake season. So you just got to know that. But it is here in LA, too. Like I've seen rattlesnakes in LA and Santa Monica in Brentwood, like they're everywhere. I think I've seen six rattlesnakes now. And I saw one last week when we're in Nooka Valley. It wasn't a rattlesnake though. It was called a coach whip snake. Anyway, I digress. So I wanted to only have one day like free to do hikes. So I want to get as much in as I could. So I entered this Indian Canyon's kind of like national park area. And the first hike I did was the Palm Canyon trail. That was the oasis in the middle of the desert that was incredible. And then everyone said to me, go and do Andreas trail. Oh, sorry, Andreas Canyon. And I was like, great. And that was much more like boulders and rocks. But it had like this creek and waterfall that went through it also insanely beautiful. But halfway on that hike, I saw a golden Mojave rattlesnake, the fastest and most venomous of all the seven different types of rattlesnakes that live out there. So that trail walk turned into a trail sprint very fast. And then I saw another rattlesnake on the way, but like it was insane. I was just like, Oh my God, the rattlesnakes everywhere. They're like highly toxic too. Like you've got, I think it's like a five to seven hour window to get to hospital to get the anti venom or your goners. Like it's pretty scary and they're quick. So I didn't mean for this to be like hugely sneaky content, but I just want to let you know, like if you are hiking and you're going in a time where it is obviously summer or hot, just be aware. I think if you go in the winter time, because there's literally snow on the mountains in the winter time, I don't think you'd have a problem with snakes. I've just just I've been both times in the summer. And I've hiked. Oh, about 10 a.m. I'm hiking both times, both times I've seen snakes. Okay. But write them down. Indian canyons, palm canyon trail and Andreas Canyon trail. Okay. So that's all I did all of that in Palm Springs, right? And I was already obsessed with Pioneer Town, just so you know, when I went to Palm Springs first, so I went to Pioneer Town on my lonesome on my own and flipping loved it. But I had to go again. What I want to let you know about is Joshua tree. So Palm Springs tick done, you know, where to go for your food. You do trade Joe's shops, you get everything you need from CVS, which is a pharmacy, you know, you get your booze, all that you get all of that in Palm Springs. There's also Palm Springs airport. So if you're meeting any other Americana friends, they might meet you there. It's a really nice easy to get to airport. Just, you know, just saying. Then if you want to get into Joshua tree, so basically you have to pay to get into the national park. Same thing as where I was describing before. It's $30 for a seven day pass. So if you're staying in Airbnb, Anthony Joshua tree, like what I did on day one, go and get that pass because it means you can go in and out as much as you want. I've been to Joshua tree into the national park just once. We didn't go into the national park this trip. It was probably a blessing in disguise that we didn't because the days were about 45 degrees Celsius and the week before it had hit 50 degrees Celsius. So again, the rattlesnakes and apparently when you've got AC running in the car, the bees can swarm the car, which doesn't sound too appealing. So I'm hoping I think we can go back later in the year and it cools down and really have a fun time of hiking and being in Joshua tree and all the fun things. Right. So Airbnb, Joshua tree or Yucca Valley. They're next to our neighbors. They're literally not even five minutes from one another. It's like this is highway called 29 palms highway and it runs all the way like Joshua tree, Yucca Valley, Piney town, everything kind of runs off it and it's all within a really close radius. So I do want to mention the Joshua tree hikes that are on my list because, you know, if you're going there, it's like one of the beautiful national parks of America. So the first thing that I'm just going to list like four places to hike if you get to go to Joshua tree. So hidden valley nature trail, it's an easy one mile loop, which is probably about what two and a half Ks. And it's surrounded by tall boulders. So that's one thing you will see loads of Joshua trees, of course, but you will also see like a lot of like rocks and boulders. And then there's the Chola cactus garden. That looks really, really, really cool. It's home to thousands of Chola cactuses. And they're also known as teddy bear cactus. So that's another good one. Then there's the iconic skull rock. So this is a rock that looks like an actual skull. It's often very busy though because people want selfies with this skull rock. And then you have to get obviously a photo with a Joshua tree. You can get that anywhere though. You can get that in Piney town. You can get that in Yucca Valley. You can get that in Joshua tree. But they're like, I know that hidden valley hike is like super, super famous. And I do know that the skull rock is too. And everybody says you want to watch a sunrise and a sunset in the national park. So they're totally things I want to do when I'm there next. Now, the next thing that should be 100% on your list when you are staying in Joshua tree, Yucca Valley, or either of those two locations is stargazing. I know that sounds like a really hippie and woo-woo thing to do. But we one night we turned the fire, we had a fire pit out about we turned the fire pit off. We turned the lights off in the pool and the lights off in the house. And we just like, let's just do some stargazing because there are so many stars out there and obviously not too much light pollution. And all of the sudden someone saw a shooting star and then somebody else saw a shooting star. And then over the course of one hour, we saw like 25 to 30 shooting stars. Turns out we saw a meteor shower. To me, I was like, oh my goodness, this is once in a lifetime. They happen a bit. They happen a bit out there. So I have like found this website that lists all the meteor showers that happen out in the Joshua tree. The website is called visit29.org. So it's that 29 Palm's highway, which is where all these places run off. But the one that we saw was called the delta a quarried meteor, a quarried meteor shower peak. So that literally peaked while we were there. Delta a quarried meteor shower. So meteor roid shower, meteor shower. So my brain is doing brainfights right now. And it was incredible. It felt very once in a lifetime. But as I researched, there is like meteor shower, like this one in August. There's one in October. There's one in November and December. And no joke, you can see the Milky Way perfectly. Like you literally like, Oh, wow, that's the Milky Way. So and I'm sure you could get apps on your phone that tell you like what planet the really bright stars are. Highly recommend it's obviously free. You can just look up at the sky and see it. It was really fun. We also did smalls by the fire to highly recommend that, which is where Americans you get that graham cracker chocolate and and you burn a marshmallow and put it between it and make a sandwich out of it really, really good. Obviously not healthy, but really, really good. So that's my take on like the nature things in Joshua Tree. Obviously the food and culture part of Joshua Tree is obviously amazing too. Like we went to tiny pony for dinner one night. There were so many like places that looked really good. The copper room is really beautiful and a great place to watch the sunset. Where else did we go? Pioneer Town has incredible food, the Red Dog Saloon, as well as Pappy and Harriet's. There are a lot of little coffee shops and bakeries like Luna Bakery. These are all within a 10 minute radius of one another. So like whether you're staying Joshua Tree, Yucka Valley or Pioneer Town, you can go to all these places. And I have to tell you the vintage shopping is insane to the membrane. It is so good, not crazy expensive. So we did a lot of vintage shopping and if I'm honest with you, I don't even think we touched the sides. But here's a list of some of the ones. We went to a lot of these. Pioneer Crossing Antiques we went to, the end we went to. This and that desert treasures didn't go to Route 62 we went to. Mojave Flea Trading Post, that was our best. That was our favorites. That's also got local designers. We got some cool Pioneer Town merch from there. We got like Matt got this incredible vintage cowboy boots that were listed for $125 and we got them for $40 insane. We both got vintage cowboy shirts like proper Western shirts. I got a Pioneer Town teacher. That was so good. Highly highly. I even got this cool little lost oasis Joshua Tree keychain that we now use. Highly recommend. Oh, what a p.s. I just saw something else I want to mention too. Then we went to the station. That's more gift shops. That's Joshua Tree. Son of the desert, Joshua Tree. Habitat we didn't go to. White vinyl we didn't go to. Like there are so many places we will be able to explore next time we're there. Health people. Health nuts. Listen to this. There's this place called Bruja Alixalange and she makes these incredible mushroom infused lattes. She's also got like gummies, like mushrooms for calming, mushrooms for tripping but not psilocybin because it's illegal in California. She's got all these different types that are legal in California mushrooms like calming ones, chill ones. We took a calming one and it was really, really nice and mellow. Really, really cool though. Another food place is called La Capone. That's meant to be really lovely. We went to Tiny Potey. Like I said, Yucka Valley Outposts is really meant to be yummy. Frontier Cafe looked really good for kind of like Brecke and brunch. We didn't go though. We went to Luna Sour Dope Bakery. Kitchen in the desert came up a lot. It looked beautiful. We just didn't have enough nights to go and then desertio alto. That looked really good. There's also on a Saturday in Joshua Tree, a farmer's market. We didn't get to go there. I just found another list of hikes I made but they're pretty similar to where I just listed to so that Chola Cactus Garden, Key's view at sunset, Hidden Valley is the rocks, Oasis of Mara. Then, there's the Bantadam. There's a harder hike called Ryan Mountain and the Lost Horse Mine and 49 Palm's Oasis. They're a little bit harder. Save them for when dad's in town. There's also a cute little museum called the Crochet Museum. We didn't go to that. Oh, I really want to go to this. It was shut and it's shut till August. It's called the Integrotron. You go there for sound baths and the person that made it made this perfect sphere. He believes and says that he had a dream and aliens came to him and told him how to make this perfect sphere without any metal in its wooden sphere. Totally going to get a sound bath there. That's a cool thing about Joshua Tree. More so than Palm Springs, I would say, is you can have a very much a wellness adventure. There's massage, there's yoga, there's pilates. You could go to that elixir bar. There's a few little health shop places there. It felt probably a little bit more health and wellness, I would say, than Palm Springs. Palm Springs probably felt a bit more like bougie and nightlife to me. So, obviously, both amazing. I had a really yummy martini, by the way, at the tiny pony, the pickle martini was incredible. But I would say, if I had to tell you the actual highlights, and I know you will have heard this on the diary pod, and last week's pod, which was kind of like an extended Palm Springs diary from Palm Springs, which is what I really want to do, I guess I would call it more Joshua Tree. Anyway, I would say pioneer town, and that's the second time I've been to Pioneer Town, and we went again on our last day. So, I've been to Pioneer Town three times, and I love it every single time, and I'm obsessed with it, and I just think it's amazing. But I also love film and TV, and it's where they shoot Westerns. And then I would say the stargazing was pretty mind-blowing, too. So, it depends on what you're after, but I do think you could really do a Joshua Tree wellness, resetting your energy, focusing on manifesting. We did a lot of goal setting when we were in Palm Springs and made some wishes, and wrote some wishes down. The thing to understand, if you go in an American summer, so, yeah, like June, July, August, September, I know September is technically not summer, but it will still be hot here. The summer really lasts a while in America or in Los Angeles, California. Just be aware that it's common to hit like 40 degree days, and my friend lives out there. It was like, no, no, it was over 50. But then in that winter time, more like going like November, October, November, December, I think it would be a very different experience, very pleasant, very chill. But the cool thing about going in the summer that was in our favor is, we never had to book, we never had to wait, we never had to line up because it's the off-season. And so, we didn't make any plans or reservations. We just kind of like, cool, let's Google this place and then go there. I don't know if you could get away with doing that in the busy months, which I think is it like, I know it changes around Coachella because that's out there as well, but I think it's around that, that April time is pretty, April, May is pretty busy there, and then that like October, November, December, I reckon it would pick up again. I could be wrong. This is just going on the experiences that I had when I was out there. I'm just going to pull out my Joshua Tree Traveler's Guide. I don't want to miss anything. I mentioned that we stayed at Pioneer Town Motel, didn't I? And that's all. So you can literally stay on site. We were looking at staying at the Joshua Tree Auto Camp site. So this is whole site in Joshua Tree, and it's just air streams, like silver bullet, air streams. It looked so cool, but it was more expensive than staying at Pioneer Town Motel. And we would just worry, like you're in your little air stream, but then I think the bathrooms and everything were communal, and we were like, and it was very much like just chilling at a like, there was a communal pool and a communal like area, and then it was the air streams. I don't know. We were kind of just like, oh, we kind of wanted our own space, which we totally got at Pioneer Town Motel, and it was perfect because we had dinner and everything out there. The other thing to mention about Pioneer Town, if you're planning a trip, Pappy and Harriet's look it up because they're not only famous for their food, like they do a lot of food on the grill, but they're like ribs and stuff. Matt was in heaven, but they also have a lot of live gigs. Like I saw Father John Misty is touring there, I think next month. Paul McCartney has toured there. Like it's had some real greats performance. So if you're a muso, tickets are usually about 40 bucks. And so you can kind of like make a thing of it and, you know, go in, have dinner, go back, see the gig, and it's a really great for me to live music. I feel like that's a great thing to do. But yeah, look into the Joshua Tree Auto Camp site. That's what it's called, and it looks really cool and bougie and amazing. But obviously, like you've got to be cool with staying in a caravan and spatially, like if you've got a doggo or something, that might be a bit tricky. What else is in this list that we loved? I'm just looking at that. I've got a big map here with all the like hotel places to stay. Yeah, so there's only five places really that are hotels essentially to stay. 29 palms in Auto Camp Field Station, Hicksville trailer palace, and Pioneer Town Motel, which is where we stayed. Food and beverage though, you've got so many options. Like there's even more than I listed to you before. Another one that kept being recommended was the Des Fine Food. Spaghetti Western comes up all the time, and that's on that 29 palms highway. Technically, that's in Morongo Valley, but that's again, the base of Yucka and Joshua Tree. So it's all within a really like 10 minute drive, absolute maximum. The bar and nightlife list is really cool. So that's that the copper room. That's where you went to go for sunsets. Joshua Tree Saloon, we went there for a beer in the middle of the day. I don't drink beer, but the boys did. And that was cool. That's where Post Malone filmed his last video. Clear. Maso Menos, we went there because we thought it was going to be like coffee and pastries, but it was just coffee. But I think at night time, it's a really nice bar. Out there, bars meant to be really good. Pappy and Harriet's, I've told you about a beer. Red dog Saloon, I've told you about a bit. Snakebite Roadhouse is meant to be like traditional Roadhouse food. We didn't go there, but I saw the signs for it. So much retail and shopping, but remember, so good if you're into a vintage, because most of this stuff is vintage. Time echo vintage is meant to be amazing. We did go there. We didn't get anything. Maybe we were vintage out by that stage. And there's a lot of like culture, kind of like places that you can go to that are like, there's the Noah Pufuri Foundation that we will recommended that. There's that Integra Tron, which I'm a thousand percent going to go to when it opens. A lot of wellness stuff, a lot of like yoga and not a lot, but like you've got your yoga, you've got your Pilates places. So you can totally go there as a health nerd and like time it in with the farmers market. And I'm sure people would have multiple retreats out there. So you could always keep your eye on like things that are doing people that are doing Joshua Tree retreats. Maybe I should run one out there. That could be fun. But there's so much going on. And I've also got the Pioneer Town Gazette as well. And that's the same list of food, like incredible foodie spots. Joshua Tree Coffee has a big following here and they have their actual like you can get their beans at all the health food stores here, but they've got their actual like front shop there. Crossroads cafes meant to be amazing. Anyway, if I had to tell you where to go for food, if you want Americana experience, I would say Pappy and Harriet's Red Dog Saloon. And Americana, hang on, I just saw one, I was going to say it to you. Tiny pony. Yeah, tiny pony won't get the pickle martini. So good. But they had full Americana food. It was so, so yummy. That is my like, how to do all of Palm Springs, Joshua Tree, Yucka Valley, Morongo Valley. You're all in the Mojave Desert there. Like it's all one big area. I think you could do it beautifully without feeling rushed. Four nights, five days, moving around from like a night or two in Palm Springs. I'd probably only do a night in Palm Springs and then get all your ingredients, then go into Joshua Tree. But remember, I'm hippie. So I like the idea of stargazing and seeing meteor showers and, you know, like going to a mushroom and licksabar and having an experience. But it's, like I said, like there is so much cool stuff you can do out there that is really holistic. But you can also go and just have like a really fun let your hair down experience as well. The Airbnb that we set out in Yucka Valley is called the Black Cactus and they have a black and a white location. All in the Yucka Valley and the two locations that are on the same block and land, but you feel totally private from the other guys. And you've got an infinity pool, a jacuzzi, an outdoor fireplace. And I tag them a fair bit on my stories. If you go back and watch my Joshua Tree highlights and their insta handle was called Somewhere Underscore Joshua Tree. So they have quite a few Airbnb and properties in that area. So I think I would highly recommend Airbnb being its great idea. And, you know, if you're meeting mates, split it, it makes it so much more achievable. But yeah, that would be my advice. I hope you liked this episode. I just want to cover a bit more of what you can do in that area. My next goal on a place I really want to go to and review for you at some stage is ohai. Again, it is a road trip out of Los Angeles. And so I think being in the big smoking in the grind, I like doing little road trips that aren't crazy expensive, a really good option. And so yeah, I'm going to keep like definitely still be doing my long form interviews for you, but also like a little bit of LA reviewing and California reviewing of places that you can go to. Because for us Aussies, it's such a long way to travel. And why not add in a few other cool places when you're staying in LA that aren't that far away? Anyway, I hope that helps. I hope you found this interesting. I think you're absolutely wonderful. I will see you for our diary check in on Friday. And of course, hot seat on Wednesday. And then I'm pretty sure Monday we go back to long form interviews. And like I think I told you, I've just booked an acting coach from LA and I've just booked a big guest from Australia. So we've got some fun, exciting guests coming out. Thank you so so much for listening to this potaroni and for this episode, especially for listening to me, wrap it on about one of my favorite parts of California. All right, gang, let me know what you think of this. Hope you loved it. Hooroo. Bye. That's a wrap on another episode of Feellessly Failing. As always, thank you to our guests. And let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm at Yummo Lullaberry. This potty, my word for podcast, is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, rate and comment. And of course, spread the love. (gentle music)