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And despite our little screen holder there, I think I'm going to go the other way. And let's talk about Virgil Ortiz. Sir Yevo, who check a 12 round unanimous decision with Ortiz going down to the canvas in the 1st and the 8th. It took a while for them to actually score that in the 1st. But he won a lot of rounds in the middle there. That's some toss-up. Kind of a could-go-either way fight in people's eyes. I have to tell you, it does. I think this is probably closer than Crawford versus Madramov goes. I think the scorecards were fair. Call it two points either way or a draw. This was a close one, an absolute war, a candidate for fight of the year. If you weren't watching this, what the hell were you doing? Yeah. How are you doing, Matthew? I'm nice to hear from you, mate. I agree. This was a brilliant fight. And it was two very, very good fires, two world-class operators that knew the tricks, had the shots, had the feet. And these were guys that had game plans. They had strategies. Now, we had Ortiz coming in, I think, a 21 and 0, 21 KO. So that's your star, that's your pick. But he was going against a really good fighter. We will talk about a lot on this pod in a brand check, who is a really good operator from a really good region, who knows how to fight. And I'm really big on brand check. I think he's going to go through check. I think he's going to be a world champion. And what we saw from him was he had two strategies last night. He was prepared to keep it long and get behind a good one, two straight. And his right hand, it arches. It sort of arcs over as it lands. So it's a bit of a deceptive one. And it reaches a little bit further, extra each. And at times, Ortiz couldn't get out of the way of it. But their sparring partners have known each other. They've been in gyms together. So there's a lot of familiarity between them. And I'm actually certain that the Ukrainians team said we can't go backwards tonight. We can't go on the back thought. We can't go running because we're going to give too many rounds away doing that. And Ortiz will press. So when he presses, hold your feet. And that's when, how do you pronounce his name, Matty? Boo trick. That's when Boo trick went into his second phase where he was like Kelly Pavlic like. He had his elbows in, his hands cupped around his chin. He's got his long forearms. And he sort of humped his back and sort of lead over Ortiz. Now that's a big target. And it's a lot of target. But Boo trick was comfortable sitting there. He was comfortable trying to throw with the puncher. And he had success doing it. It was a really good strategy because if we'd have seen, if that crowd, and them judges, and the commentary had seen Boo trick going backwards for a lot of fight, whenever Ortiz pressed, I think he might have just given the rounds away. He made the play not to go backwards. He stood in the pocket. He punched with the puncher. He had success doing it. And if we talk about Ortiz, well, he favored this jab with a big loop in overhand right. And that's something he must have picked up, sparring Boo trick. He must have got his measure in a gym somewhere. And he must have known I can land that shot. And he did. And it was interesting because when Ortiz was in close, he really targeted that body. He was investing so much. And you consider Ortiz as a puncher. And they normally go headhunting punches. He was really working that body. So you could see there was so much nuance to this. And there was so much history between the two. In asking me who I thought won, I always say this, don't I? In close fires, it's never a robbery. It's never a scandal. I'm not sitting on the fence. I genuinely had it a draw, one 13, one 13. I saw it the same way as the first judge. But maybe part of me fell in love with both of them kids and thought, I don't want to see a loser. But I scored it even. No arguments, whatever way it went. But it's one of them fights. The loser will always feel hard done by. And I think secretly the one who got it will probably say to himself, I'm glad I'm nicked that one. Because it was very close. You know, and the sanctioning bodies got together. It's been within the last 12 months. And one of the things they decided was that if there is a knockdown scored by one fighter in a round, you have to score it 10-8 for that fighter. Where before there used to be some nuance to that. But in the Ryan Garcia tank Davis fight, it got all screwed up. And I think that's a shame, because I think in the first end of the eighth, not only did I think that Ortiz probably won everything in the round except for the knockdown. I did it by a fair shade. With that rule not being in place, do you think those are potentially 10-9 rounds? Yes. And that was a point I was going to come to before you. Yeah, absolutely. Because I'm of the thinking a knockdown should be a 10-8. But if for example, as we saw everyone recall, the Tyson Fury, the entire world of first fire. In the last round, I think that might have been even a 10-9 or even a even round because the other guy pulled back so much. And I think in that instance, what you just said there. Oh. Yeah, accidentally muted yourself there. Did you catch what I said, though, Matthew? No, you'd like the last 10 seconds, you're muted for some reason. Yeah. So I just think that in that instance, I couldn't agree more with you. I think there are arguments for a 10-9 round because I think Ortiz showed so much comeback in those rounds. I think it's unfair to write a fighter off any type of knockdown, but some of the knockdowns, you know, Ortiz was sort of protesting. I didn't touch down or it was a flash knockdown. I think a fly to shoot off an opportunity to come back and get as much out of that round as possible. Yeah, and that's why I think there's got to be nuance to scoring. And I hate that they put that rule in place. I can't remember what judge scored that round where Davis knocked Garcia down even. But he basically screwed it up for everybody. I have no clue how he figured that one out. But anyhow, but this fight, I mean, both guys, I thought gave it their all. I just thought, I thought Ortiz hurt Bohuchek on more occasions. I thought he might have gotten hurt a couple of times, but I thought there were some moments where he definitely hurt Bohuchek. And Bohuchek did a really good job to stay up. Fortunately for him, a couple of them were towards the end of the round. But this, it was a very, very difficult fight to score. But for me, I think when I'm looking at it, there were a few stretches where I thought that Ortiz clearly won three rounds in a row. And then you just kind of have to fill in the blanks from there to get one or two for the draw or victory, depending on how you looked at it. And I thought he won the second through the fourth quite clearly. And I thought he won the 10th through the 12th quite clearly. Did you tend to lean that way yourself? Right, so I think there's a lot of rounds where it went both ways. And you could see both kids thinking, "I've got to give the judges something to think about." And there's a lot of rounds that were like that. I think when fights are this close, when two fighters, there's not a lot between them. Remember, Ortiz is the ticket, either promoted kid. He's the one that's got stars, I sprinkle on him. So there's going to be a slight bias. But I think when the two kids are boxing up, and it's that close, I think sometimes judges get a little bit swayed with what I call the Sugar Ray Leonard effect, which is where if someone's got a bit more razzle-dazzle, if someone's fraying a different variation of punches, if someone's a bit snappier, I think Nat looks a little bit more promising than the kid who was very conventional and upright. And I think Barinci for the bit more conventional and upright, although his work was good, and he was hurting Ortiz, and much of Ortiz was hurting true. They were both getting to each other. I think Ortiz's variation is snap, is angles. That style, I think in a very, very close fight, I sometimes think that can be enough for a judge to say, "I've got to go one way, I'm going to go that way." Yeah, he's just, his punches are definitely more eye-catching. But who check is one of those more kind of thudding punchers where Ortiz is a snappy puncher, and it's, you know, the thing is though, and it's, last night it didn't happen, but those thudding punchers, they often wear down the snappy punchers down the stretch. I thought Ortiz did a good job there, and I think it's worth touching on, you know, he's been a knockout guy for very long, and the good chunk of them, you know, have been very early in fights. Mckinson extended him the longest prior to this. He, getting into the ninth round, and he's a real tricky operator. He's tough, but he's got a lot of the kind of veteran tactics there. So I got to say that especially considering he wasn't able to make 147, and he had those fights with Stan Yone's belt through, which was a shame. We were all looking forward to those. I think for his career moving forward, it was good to see him go 12 and prove that he has that engine. He proved a lot of naysayers wrong, who thought that he couldn't make it the full 12 with the puncher. And I thought he did tremendously well, and he was definitely the stronger fighter in the last couple rounds. I think, as well, what's good to see? I'm big on both kids, I think both of them are going to play a big part in the next five years. Nobody's snark went down in this. No, no, no, that's right. And as boxing fans, we've got to keep promoting this, because we can't allow, we can't get two fighters to take this sort of fight with this sort of jeopardy, and then turn on the loser. This was a good fight between two good kids, and we've got to celebrate them both. In an ideal world we'd have ever drawn, but it shouldn't hurt an L because that was a brilliant fight, and it was a close fight. And to go back to something you said there, I think it was interesting to see what season, and I don't want to keep talking more about Ortiz than Vrine. How do you pronounce his name? I'm actually sorry. The Who Chick. The Who Chick. The Who Chick. It gets confusing at some point in time. I've been calling in Boranchik for the last five days, so you're going to have to help me out a bit. But, Boo Chick. So, they would know each other. They've been sparring partners, and it would have been interesting. And maybe the corner said to Ortiz, this kid's not going to go, but don't try and knock him out. And that might explain why he was investing the body so much, because you know that he's not going to stand for the headshots. He's not going to go early. So, maybe we saw different facets of Ortiz's game. I'm not saying we did. Ortiz was there till the end, and he was pumped. It was like a, another, it was like today's version of getting in water at a degree. You fell in love with both guys on the night. But, I just think we saw a different side to the many sides of Ortiz's game. But, I don't want to over-talk Ortiz over the Ukrainian. They were both very good kids, and both of them have got a future. Ortiz is a star though. He's got the pedigree, he's got the culture, he's got the style, he's in the right place. He's got stars, that's all over him. Yeah, 154 is really starting to get hot at this point in time. And speaking of hot, I do believe we might have Mr. Ayman Khan from seconds out with us. Ayman, is that you, sir, or is someone else taking the moniker that you took? Speaking of hot, I've never been talking to such high regard. Mate, appreciate it. Thank you. Shame it's not a lovely lady, but I'll take it nonetheless. Well, you know, I try to give all of our panelists the respect that they so deserve. Or at least do my best. When we had, you pronounce the last names for days with your struggles. I thought, you know, I have to jump on. That's a blessing. Thank you. It's very, very important that someone's here to keep me in line because it could go off the rails real quick. But lucky for us, there's like nothing on the schedule this week. So I think I have all the names and checks since I've said Derevan Cenko many times in my life. So I think we'll get through this week. Okay, but speaking of this week, what did you think of this fight between Ortiz and Bhucik? We're talking about it definitely in the running for fight of the year. But it was, did you think that the scores were fair, just your general thoughts? Mate, as I kind of briefly said to you, when you threw the streamline link to me about an hour or so ago, I was in and out of being very ill last night. I couldn't come in at the fourth round and switched on because I couldn't get any sleep, thankfully, since recovered now. But a fight I wanted to see and wanted to watch. And I was kind of thinking, I'll have I missed this fight, four rounds in. I've missed this fight. Had Virgil Ortiz maybe got to Bhucik already because that was what I was thinking. That's what I was kind of banking on in my mind that this will be a step too far for Bhucik against Virgil Ortiz. But now, as I switched on, I saw it was a real competitive fight between the two. I think you pretty much covered pretty much all the angles of it. The only thing I'd say, and I'll add to this, was I couldn't get my head around how Ortiz wasn't able to really put that big dent in Bhucik, really kind of forcing him down to the canvas where it was because he had to take the knee or because he'd sent him crashing down. That's the way that Brandon Adams was able to do that. I mentioned that. You know, I got to tell you, and I totally missed this when I was thinking of Crawford Madrum off next week, 147 to 154. You go from eight to 10 ounce. I don't know if it's just happening. I think for me, what it was is, what I saw from Bhucik is, I think he'd learned from his mistake of fighting that smaller and Adams is more diminutive than Virgil Ortiz. But he made the mistake not to leave his chin out and be upright as much as he was in that fight. He tucked himself in and over Ortiz in that fight so that Ortiz couldn't come up and target the chin in that fight, which is because he hit him with the same left hook. And you'd bank Ortiz to be a much bigger power puncher than Brandon Adams was. But if you go back and watch that fight, it's that left hook counter that sets up the finish for Adams in that fight, which Ortiz cracked him with number of times and did put a bit of a dent in with him. But this is where the limitations come through for Virgil Ortiz, which I think you have to identify now and say, maybe he's not as big of a puncher. Sorry, it's good of a finisher when it comes to stepping it to the higher levels and Bhucik is showing that he's worthy of being in those higher levels of contenders when it comes to that division. So I think for a fight like Terrence Crawford, he'd be maybe worrying about those step ups and this is a step too far for me because of the way you'd be thinking like, like Bhucik did, I can time him. It was a beautiful, what was it? Was it a left hook himself when Ortiz came in with a giant knee? That's right. Excellent timing, absolutely excellent timing. Something I haven't seen from Bhucik beforehand, but you'd bank Crawford to do something like that with a much more devastating effect. If he ends up fighting Terrence Crawford, which Terrence she was saying after the fight, that's the fight that they want to make, you kind of worry as well, too, when it comes to someone like Fondora as well, too, who's a huge, huge fight. You know, there's a fight, a frames there as opposed to and a physicality is put more so than anything else of technique and for those two fighters. You worry for, not quite worried, but you'd bank on for me, Fondora having the edge in power and strength in that fight. So it's a shame because whilst I'm thinking about it right now, maybe too much so in the negative sense for Virgil Ortiz, the cracks may be starting to show a little bit in his game. Although, I did like that what he did, Robert Garcia, who's on a bit of a crest of a wave right now, got here told him in those moments where it was kind of slipping away from him. It was getting a bit close for him. He told him to look box. This episode is brought to you by our good friends at NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. I'm sure by now you've all got back into your Sunday routines, but they could be even better. With NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV, you get the most live NFL games all in one place every game every Sunday. And you can even watch up to four different games at once with Multi View, one of my favorite inventions of this decade. It's exactly what you need to catch all the action. Make your Sundays more magical and also YouTube TV is great. I got it this year. It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com/BS device and content restrictions apply local national games on YouTube TV and if I'll Sunday ticket for out of market games excludes digital only games. You're a good boxer. Go box. Go jab jab. I want more jobs. Then come over. Don't try and hit him with a one punch. Set the combinations up. I like that from Ortiz and he was able to execute that. I then think he went a little bit too forward with it and he could have boxed a little bit more to be. But make this a fight that was less of a talk of a draw or a bojek win and more convincing for urge a lotees when it comes to a little bit of the buzz around how the scorecards went. I do also want to say, I kind of felt like this is one of those, one of the very few fights where you probably say you'd wish this was on the undercard or the co-main of a real big fight. Maybe like another fight because what was it like 6000 in that? Is it an arena? What is it? They're at the Mandalay Bay, the arena at the Mandalay Bay. I felt that that crowd wasn't fully there for what they were really putting out until really towards the end. I think if this was a big fight now, if this was a Canelo Alvarez on the card, real proper fight fans were really appreciated. That had the sense to me of people filling some seats and happy to be there kind of thing and witnessing, we're happy to be here for a boxing fight. I don't think it really kind of captured that audience there for some reason if I remember it correctly, but I just felt like that was probably one of those fights where on a bigger night on a better night. On its own merit, it's definitely its fight of the year, but the crowd wasn't there either, which I thought was a little bit of shame. That's Gati Ward, one was the same, wasn't it? Yeah, I think that was in the Foxwoods Casino for some reason, or maybe the Mohegan Sun. That was it. There wasn't a big crowd for that one. In fact, in some cases, there was NTCs. No one expected that. We noticed there was going to be a good one, but we didn't probably expect it was going to be that good. I take Angel's point. If that had been a cheap support and a really big card, I think that would have been more celebrated certainly more. Not more eyes on it. Well, and it was supposed to be Zoo against Ortiz on the Crawford undercard. Let's play this because you're talking about big events. It sounds like that Turkey Alashik is wanting to try to make this Ortiz fight, and he's tired of talking to Canelo at this point, and he put out a statement. I love my, I get it. I get it. But some that's interesting on this card is he's talking about putting Shakur Stevenson against William Zapata on the undercard. You can hear me out on this, boys, but what about putting the who check against Madramoth on that undercard as well? I'm jumping in it. I've seen the call be made online for that fight, and it's probably the fight to make for both of them because they're both kind of unfancy. They're both coming off of successive fights. You'd look to coming off an L where they're stock rose. Yeah, that's very uncommon. I think it's, I think it makes sense in that way. I just don't know whether with Madramoth star, I don't think it'd be as entertaining of a fight as we saw last night. I think Madramoth technically ring general shape as well would make that a fight that's going to be less exciting than what we saw usually more active than that though aims that I, that was a very low activity for his, for, for Madramoth. I don't know if, if he's switching up or if he just wanted to keep Crawford guessing but I'm not banking on him being that low output against the who check. I don't know that the who check would let him. He's definitely not saying any faints is Crawford for sure. Yeah, but that's clearly what it was it was game planning for Terrence and the respect for Terrence Crawford I don't think Madramoth would have that respect, at least, you know, after the fourth and fifth round for Boho Chuk like he did for Terrence Crawford and I think whilst I said that, Bojo kind of showed that he belonged there, I think with an operator like Madramoth you'll see the difference in levels for that fight and the type of fight you need for Bojo Chuk is another Fondora is a zoo type of fight that makes the most sense so unless it was one of you want on this card, then you've got to fight Madramoth, then they'll take it really stylistically. It doesn't make for a good matchup and it's one heavily in favor of Madramoth for myself. I think I would imagine it is. I don't know how it would come off in the books though. I'm kind of curious how Crawford Ortiz looks in the books as well. I think Crawford has to be a favorite, but I would think you're probably thinking that Robert Ortiz is probably only be paying two to one, maybe maybe three to one on that one. It's probably a reasonably close fight, but I actually does think that Crawford pry picks up his KO streak again. I just think the few instances where Bojo checked showed something a little bit cute. He definitely caught Ortiz. Yeah, he did. You have to remember that Ortiz is an exceptionally good fighter. We've an exceptionally good record. So there's going to be levels of learning after that long 12 rounds he's done last night. So I'm not quite sure if you're going to catch Ortiz by that again. And as much as I don't like to say it, perhaps he had them to run it again. Ortiz would put on a more clinical performance. I just think there's more levels to Ortiz. Both of them are very good fighters. We saw last night, but I think Ortiz got a bit more growth. So if you said that happens when Crawford fights Ortiz, I think you see a real different version of Ortiz because I think that's what bad Crawford does to fire. We see it last week against Madrumov. He puts you in a space where he controls it and it's up to you to try and come out of that controllable space. I think Ortiz got a lot more growth. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I don't want to get in the Dan, I don't want to go down this rabbit, however, because Bojo and Chek gave a really good performance against Ortiz, we're now going to diminish Ortiz. I think it was a brilliant fire. I think both guys are going to move forward. But I do think Ortiz got a bit more growth. And I think if you put Terrence Crawford in a conversation, I think you see probably a different version. There I say a better version of Ortiz because that's what Crawford does. Mate, here's the fight for me that I throw out in return of Bojo, Chek and Madrumov, Bojo, Chek and Ericsson, Lubin. That's an interesting fight there. I, it, but that's, you know, Lubin got lucky. Lucky as hell to get that decision in the Jesus Ramos fight. I don't know. I, I, I think Lubin is, is going to be a perpetual gatekeeper. That's my hunch. That's, that's, that's my hunch. I, I, I'm thinking I favorite poochic. And what would be an entertaining fight? Well, alas, where I wouldn't be surprised if both guys touch canvas. But I do think that Bojo, Chek has more than Lubin. Do you, do you have any ideas to what Virgil Ortiz weighs on the night? Not a clue. I just wonder because when it comes to the matchmaking of Crawford, I think it was released the, the way the, what, the weight that they rehydrated to on the night. And I think they were very essentially within a pound of each other. And I think, you know, behind the scenes, when it comes to this matchmaking, you know, kind of one side is saying, well, you know, when it comes to Crawford, he weighs this and our guy weighs that really, there isn't actually bit, isn't much of a difference in terms of weight between the two guys. But when you come to, maybe Ortiz is the similar sort of thing, which is why they're looking to push for Crawford, but when you look at someone like a friend or who I have no doubt will probably weigh a lot heavier when it comes to his opponents on a fight night. Maybe like a zoo who might weigh a bit more as well than he would do on the weigh in scales, they might look to avoid Crawford because that weight differential would play too far into his chances of securing victory on the night. So I think there is, there is a little bit of a calculated matchmaking here when it comes to Terrence Crawford, regardless of his path of our skill. But also aims when you, when you're in your fourth white class, you have to be cute and you have to pick them correctly. As good as Terrence Crawford is, as good as Oscar was, as good as Ray Leonard was, as good as Tommy Holmes was, they all looked up and picked the right one. They didn't just go with their crash bang. But doing the same thing. Yeah, there's very few people who do something big and in a weight class shift like that, kind of, you know, like, very few people do what Pacquiao did and, you know, beating Dale Hoya, Clotty, Cotto, Margarito. That was a good run right there. That's very rare. That's very rare. He started with David Diaz, which, you know, is a nice one. Yeah, and he just kept going. Very few people do that. And we're seeing it with Canelo. And I think, I mean, he's absolutely right. You have to be cute when you're on that third, fourth, weight class, because you're fighting against monsters. By now, you know, you've been in a game, you've had a 10-year pro career, sometimes more brutal hands, your body's feeling it a bit. You have to really manipulate and adjust your camps to suit. Yeah, so you've got to be cute at that stage. I agree. I really think that Crawford has, like, two fights left. And what those two fights are, I don't know. I know he wants one of them to be the Canelo fight. And we'll see if they make it happen. It's, um, Turkey Allashite just apparently just does not like the numbers and the demands that Canelo is wanting just to even open up the talks. So, I don't know. I've said it last week, Matthew. The problem with them star players. Canelo's been getting Saudi money for a long while. So you're going to have to give him more than Saudi money. And that's probably where the problem will be, regardless of linking up Turkey and Canelo. The big player, it goes in all the sports. The big players don't need Turkey. But the rest of the game does. Well, let's be honest, he's getting $35 million to fight Berlanga. And he probably has sparring camp partners in camp who are better than Berlanga. Correct. And he's been getting that a long time. So you're not going to, you can't, you're not going to, what you're offering the others ain't going to entice Canelo. He's that level up. And he has been for a long time. Did you see that little clip of Canelo's reference it if I could remember off the top of my head where it came from? But Canelo was saying that when it comes to his fight nights, not only does he get, you know, his cut of his purse, his cut of the pay-per-view, but he also gets a very large percentage of concessions, you know, what you're drinking and eating. Like Floyd had. Yep. That was the first time the clip goes with the same. And the clips goes with the same. They run the show. So they, and this is probably what your bud crawfords, your Duvante, Davises, your Devon Haney's, they haven't got that, they deal. Oscar had it. And the, the clips goes had it to a much smaller degree, but it was still good money. Triple G had it. They run the show. And I think he's absolutely right. So, Canelo, for you to get Canelo over to Saudi, you're going to offer him more than what you're offering, which is more than what we think is Saudi money, which is pretty much in a bracket of ridiculous anyway. So I don't think Canelo is one you're going to entice. Well, and I feel like that's the fight that's going to happen in the States. It's a big event that it's, yeah, it just makes more sense for it to be on this side of the pond, whether it's part of the Riyadh season. Yeah. So, Canelo's right to stand. Canelo, I cannot completely understand Canelo's standing firm on his ground and saying, look, I want to get through this fight first. I don't want to be pushed to make a decision or rushed into make something so you can sort out your schedule working on my schedule. Like there's a saying, I run the show. Canelo runs the show here. He's earned the right to call this shot because that's what you get when you get that bat on past you from Mayweather or you've earned that bat on like he, like he has done. I don't know whether for right now, from what I understand and just because they're saying that, you know, this fight can't make doesn't mean that fight isn't makeable, you know, with a little bit of a come together meeting and everyone kind of ironing everything out. When Matt says two fights on the table left for Crawford, you just wonder where that would be because is that going to discount him getting undisputed at 154. What do you look to go to 160 for one fight before he goes up to super middle. Who would be that 160 fight would it be. Cause you back junior outside shot of someone like Gennady Golovkin being brought out of retirement and then if that would be weird. I can see it happening. Honestly, I can see about about four weeks ago, Golovkin was asked like if he retired he said no I don't consider myself retired and I'm absolutely interested in being given something in front of me and he looked in decent shape at the Olympics he looked in better shape than he did a few months back when I think he was promoting some sort of drink before I think that was a while back actually the place he's a he's a lifestyle guy aims he's not going to stop taking care of himself after he's even if he's not the ring I think. But I can absolutely see that fight being being made haven't heard anything but it's just me kind of playing with things and then of course if that can never fight happens. I don't know if it would happen though in the US though I really think that would be something that if Turkey is going to put up the money for it puts down and say look this is what I want for for Saudi Arabia. I've given you I'm giving you these big fight nights and in the US. But this is I'm putting this out you can have to come over to here. I could be the case but we look forward to it to the one fifty four is hot but let's keep going through this I know this didn't give a chance to see a lot I know you're ill. So we'll just kind of run through this as we can kind of Sims Junior getting a rare stoppage for him taking out Jonathan Romero with a corner retirement. There's Conwell with a body shot knock out over a calorie grey. It's not really a super phone for him to be honest with you. You had Joao Irate taking out Miguel Ortiz in the first round he could definitely be something he's a vicious little bastard for sure. And see here we had on the women's side of the docket we had a Cecilia break us getting a interim belt at one fifty four and a close fight that probably the round where she scored a knockdown was ultimately what decided it there. And then Gabriella Fandora going the full ten with Daniella a Senio a Senio's husband is in her corner and he said they weren't quitting he just kept sending his wife out there to get her ass kicked round after round after round. The ref could have stepped in but he did not and that was your action on the zone on Saturday night. Let's see here and then we'll jump over to the top ranked card now this was a pretty fun fight sloppy at times I thought the ref let Leo get away with a bit. But in the 10th round in what was a close fight where Leo was up by a point on two scorecards and Alberto Lopez was up by a point on the other one. He got a little squared up glove a little out from him and Angelo Leo and court the best left hook in his career flattening Lopez his head bouncing off the canvas a couple of times real nasty knock out of the year candidate there. Angelo Leo in front of his hometown crowd and Albuquerque New Mexico has lifted that IBF title off of Luis Alberto Lopez. It was a really close fight sloppy at times but wow what what a shocking result there does Leo just that left hook was just a thing of beauty. Brilliant knock out and it was something that Leo said he'd been working on and you could see that he was waiting to look. He's one of these rewarding unconventional tough guys who does things backwards and we sit against Josh Warren and we sit against Mick Mick Conlon. Sometimes being polished and being tight is no good because he comes around from all angles and he hits you all over your body around your arms and the back of your head. He's a proper tough guy. But what I liked about Leo last night was he almost oh shaky foster esque he was working in little angles little pockets and he kept being persistent and he style on his class. He kept going with it and there was moments in that fight when Lopez just couldn't bully Leo he just couldn't get away with it because Leo always had an answer to something you always finish with a shot. He always kept touching him. The knockout was brilliant because you could almost see Leo waiting for that lazy jab where Lopez's chin was up in the air and he just used it almost like it's like a bullying jab. That was a sort of a range fire and I'm going to keep you there I'm going to keep you there and he waited and he touched and he left off it was a brilliant knockout but I had Leo ahead in the fire. I know one of the judges had Lopez but I had Leo ahead in the fire. I thought his feet were brilliant. I thought he understood angles. He was working in small pockets. He showed a couple of phases and I like the way he always finished with something. They don't have to be a big shot. They don't have to be an overpowering shot. My dog's just sitting into the rim so if you can hear us that's my dog by the way. He finished with something and it was a really good performance by Leo and I thought it was a good winner and that knockout was sensational. Yeah, he earned it. He really earned that. He came back the ProVox route doing the tough way, picked up a few good victories, got himself in another title, fight at 126 pounds and then there was this absolute perfect shot that he had. Did you not think last night Mattie and I'm interested in what Amos says? Did you not think that we looked at a sort of a rugged unconventional firetail? It was always sort of marauding his way against this very polished kid that knew where to be and where to stand. He knew how to get his shots off and he was constantly chipping away at this big tough marauding guide. They do not see it like that. It was a bit oshaki foster style. Yeah, I kind of think that Lopez, Mauricio Lara and Emmanuel Navarete have a lot of similarities as fighters and all of them have found themselves not necessarily getting exposed, but getting taken the best of by fighters who were more balanced, more conventional and know how to stay in position. We said it last week that at some point this throwing shots for your chin in the air is going to catch him out and I listened to an interview in Leo this morning. He said we've been working on that shot for months to catch a jab and to come back to the lift. We spoke about this last week on the pod. Someone's going to catch Lopez out. He said it could be Angel. If he can find that punch and his record doesn't suggest you the punch up. But the right shot from the right way against the right guy with his chin in the air, that can happen. Yeah, it all came together poorly for Lopez who also seemed very distraught after the fight. Ames, did you catch this one amidst your illness or did you just conjure up a result in your head and go with it? In amongst the hallucinations and the sweating, I managed to catch a little bit of this and just a little bit more of the highlights. From what I saw and I think just going off of what you two have been saying about this fight. There's no magic to defeat in someone like Louis Alberto Lopez because what Angelo Leo was doing was what Michael Conlon was trying, what Josh Warrington was doing. Another like maybe Josh Warrington might have come away with the victory on the scorecard. So they'll be kicking themselves thinking, you know, I had this right, but maybe for Mickey's just a bit too long in his career now and doesn't quite have the punch resistance to combat against that. And for Josh Warrington, maybe just picking his spots a little bit better. And that's for Angelo Leo's success to culminate on last night's viewing. I thought he was, he looked brilliant in that fighting to pick that shot out and to really flatten Lopez wasn't something I was expecting, although, I think, wasn't it Shakur Stevenson who was betting on Angelo Leo to really pull the victory out. I think so. Yeah, I think so. He's won some money for himself and some other people, but no, I look a real good fight between the two fighters. I just want to who is who is Leo is Leo with top rank. I don't know if that was a one off or not. They've brought in a few guys who have been on pro box recently on their undercurrent. I bet you've been now. There had to be some sort of of an option on him, if you want, I would think. Would you be shocked to see a rematch of this one, Des? Yes, and no, it depends on how much Bob really fancies Leo, where everything's, he's got legs or he thinks I can get Lopez back in getting the win. And we can, you know, Lopez is a big draw. I think Leo just gets better. And I'm not saying he's unbeatable and there's a ceiling to Leo, but last night I saw a very polished kid, a kid that's to learn an awful lot under the lights. Remember, these big punches don't learn as much as these, not so big punches because the not so big punches have to go a long way round. And they learn so much, they get so much value out of their opponents. And I think Leo showed me last night, I'm someone that I'm not the complete boxer, of course not, but I'm somewhere now to the boxer I want you to be as a pro. And I actually think you figured out Lopez last night, I think it's always going to be hard not to take shots when you're fighting a Lopez, it's always going to be hard not to get bullied in moments of rounds in the fight. But Leo was in control, he was in the driving seat, he was a really, he was a really good performance. And, you know, that's how the smaller, unfanitive guy who's not such a puncher turns the bigger puncher over. It was a very, very good performance, to answer your question, I think if they wasn't with Leo last night, they will be tonight, I think they'll sign him now and I think they'll go with him. Would they put him in their Lopez again, looking at Lopez after that fight, looking at his reaction, looking at the way he was going around in the last third of that fight. I'm not sure Lopez would want that, I don't think he's that sort of guy, I don't think he want that sort of heat again. But I'd watch it, just to see the Japanese, because there's a lot of Japanese involved, but I think Leo moves on now and someone offensive that fight, but I think Lopez has got to rebuild. That's interesting, because he was, again, he was distraught after that fight. Ames, what's your thought, do we see rematch? Do we see them go different directions here? Maybe they do a rematch on the undercard of the rematch between Espinosa and Ramirez, which is supposed to go move forward. Yes, so if Espinosa is locked up with Ramirez, then that would mean that I, what's Ray Vargas doing, he's got a fight announce, I can't think to the top of my head. He's like PVC, I don't know, man, now that it's working right now with all that, who knows. Then yeah, it's most likely going to be a rematch unless, again, the Saudi influence wants something like a Nickball versus Angelo Leo. That's a good fight. That's a great fight, a Sticknik ball in with any of them and you've got a great fight there, but I think that's most likely like any other kind of top rank influences kind of, they're higher upon the rankings and the other governing body. So rematch is probably most likely. Yeah, I guess we'll see it's, it'll be tough to come back from a knockout like that, but we've seen fighters do it before. It's, it's, it's not out of bounds. And these these Mexicans are tough, so don't write off Louis Alberto Lopez yet, ladies. I would say to that, not to go against you, he's absolutely tough, but he's style. Sometimes when a guy with that sort of style gets done like that, they question everything about themselves. It'd be really interesting to see how Lopez does come back. Yeah, because I mean that it's not just like losing a close decision and having an argument like you just got blasted. But, you know, he's taking a lot of fights on the road. Maybe he'll take, he'll take a softer touch at home in between or something like that. Who knows. If anyone's earned a fight at home, it is Louis Alberto Lopez because he has been, he's been all over the place defending his title. So, anyhow, but we've come, we've come across these, we've come across these Mexican hard men before that, you know, if you, if you jab their head off, they go home and say you was a coward. They live with all them sort of results that they've not got a problem with it. But when you get clips like that and put to sleep like that. Where'd you go? What's the excuse? I think a lot, an awful lot of the mystique around Lopez might be questioned now. So, I won't drag it out, but it would just be interesting to see how he does come back because he's a fighter with a certain mentality in a certain style. You know, if that's not the route he goes and he goes a completely different way, I'd like to see him and Mauricio Lara get it on. Oh yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But that's just, that's just one guy's opinion, if Turkey all is chic, you're listening. And sometimes I think he does. I swear to God, he takes ideas from us. There you go. There's your back, there's your backup plan. Because I would be shocked if Top Rank doesn't stay with Lopez after that too. Bob tends to do that sometimes. Now, on the undercard of that, really good close fight between Landolfo Dogado and Brian Flores, Flores going down in the third and having a, I think it was a legitimate point taken away in the second. He had been warned as I caught something in the fifth. So, you know, you've been more than just before the deduction too. So, not going to say it was wrong, but he definitely came on after that knockdown. Very close fight, 95, 93 for Dogado, 96, 92, and then a 92, 96 the other way, go into Flores, meaning that they only gave Dogado two rounds in the fight. But this was a really good one. If you get a chance to watch it, check it out. Nice Junior welterweight scrap there. Then let's see here. I didn't see this one. Arnold Kagai getting a stoppage victory over Belmar Praciato. This corner stoppage there, so good for him. I saw some highlights of the Kansas Kid, Mr. Alon Garcia continuing his ascent up the ladder against Michael Lopez, Billy Granja, stopping him in the third round, just generally from what I saw beating the ever loving smack out of him. Let's see here. Albert Gonzalez, a nice stoppage victory over Damian Alcala. He landed some hard shots on Alcala and got him out of there pretty easily. And let's see here. There's also one more. Oh yeah, and I saved this because I think that does actually saw some of this one. Vito Milnicki getting a DQ victory over Laszlo Toth. Toth getting dropped in that second round and his father entering the corner, the ring to wave it off. So that was a DQ instead of a stoppage victory. But Milnicki looking good, that defeat early in his career, not holding him back. There are discussions that him and Xander Zias might get it on in a battle of prospects. Any other, so any thoughts on that undercard there does. I believe you saw that. I saw that one. I did. Yeah, I saw that one. And I just popped out of the room and come back and it was called off as a DQ. I thought it was similar to the Darkie Smith, when Stephen and Ricky Hatton boxed. It wasn't quite the same as that. Marcy in the group told me that the referee was reluctant to stop it, but the dad wanted it stopped. So the dad effectively got himself the got to fight a DQ by entering the ring. So no, I get it. It's no controversy. None at all. It's the only fire saw in the undercard. And Vito was looking good for as long as it went. Yeah, he's definitely improving. I'm impressed with the young guy. Did you catch anything on the same? Obviously none of it. All right. We're back to the Vito Cup, but we're back to the Vito Cup from New Jersey, I think. Yeah, I mean, no, sorry. Is it what's his heritage? Is he sort of Italian or? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's the New Jersey Italian, like Paulie, I think. Okay, well, Tony Soprano. No, yeah, exactly. Yeah, he probably had there. There's some people sometimes in his fights that make you wonder if if he's got some connections. You kind of wonder. He calls himself white magic, which is odd. It's very unaware of the history of Italian Americans. They only started thinking more white about 60 years ago. It was a wonderful day in the eyes of many. So, but yeah, so it'll be interesting. Vito against Sandra Zias is a lot more interesting today than it was a couple years ago. Zias is supposed to be on the Michaela Mayer undercard. She'll be fighting Sandy Ryan in New York, finally getting a chance at a title on home turf here after going on the road for a while. So, we will get a chance to see Mayor and her spectacular ass in action here next month. So, joy to the world and all the boys and girls. And what I like about Vito, what I like about all fighters, he lost one relatively early in his career, one he shouldn't have lost, he was a close one, but he has rebuilt and he has come back and he's now won these cards. So, I love seeing that and I think sometimes history has shown us that those early losses can add so much to a fire's career. You don't want it, but it can be a blessing sometimes. Well, and I mean the fact that he lost when he was like 19 years old, I mean, you know, you're young, you got everything ahead of you. Who cares, you know, you lost one of your first 10, you know, if you keep going, you got 30 more in front of you, what are you going to do with them? In a country like America, in a sport like boxing, sometimes you can get lost with a 10 on one or a nine on one, sometimes they look at a guy you got beat by and go let's framing it with some a little bit difficult, a little bit tough. And we make a decision on the winner and the loser. So, I'm glad to see his comeback from it. I'm not quite sure how high ceiling is, but last night it looks decent, it looks, you know, I mean, what we saw of him. And so I'd be interested to see where he does it on. Yeah, I mean, Bob is stuck with them, you know, that's, he didn't kick him to the curb so I did seems like he's got something there. Man, this might be a quick show today, ladies and gentlemen, let's see here. We actually got a voice note here before we go to that, our scene sent me one. God love them. Nice to see the some of the guys staying active in the group with this. See you here. All right, let's see what he has to say. Hey guys, as my two cents this week, I want to give a big shout out to top rank employees who have to come to work tomorrow morning. After the week the company had with the real big baby Anderson, the cope for big money fights in Saudi Arabia, getting knocked out by Bacali last Saturday, and with Lopez getting his clock cleaned by Leo yesterday. And potential for Ramira's spin nose identification fight now, basically in in trash, I would not want to be around uncle Bob come tomorrow morning. That's my two cents and how a great week everyone. I think fair points in the end. Nice one. Nice one. Yeah, nice one. Yeah, it's a, and Bob still perseveres. This didn't take them out either so God love them. Bob continues it like the ripe old age of 93. But let's see here. So we've got a card that's going to be coming up on Saturday from Canada. Let's work our way up and then we'll get to the main event. A few decent prospects on this card. I don't know how well they're matched but there's some decent prospects on here. I got Wilkins Matthew taken on Fakundo Nicholas Gellivar, not a shiny record there for him. That we got undefeated Thomas Shabbat taking on Matthias Ziquil Guerenil, Abdullah Mason, 14 and oh he's a real hot prospect definitely worth watching, taking on Mike Ohan Jr. who's 19 and two. Let's take a look at Mike here. See if he's fought anyone because that's that's a little more sparkly than the rest. Nine by stoppage. He's only stopped once in those defeats. See here. He was stopped by Tiger Johnson in December of 2022. Tiger Johnson's not the biggest puncher there is either. That's interesting and he lost a majority decision to a 33 in one fighter when he was younger but he's. I don't know if he has any decent wins under his belt here. Not really. Yeah, this one might be a good one. This guy might have a shinier record than than anything. I don't know if there's a lot to it. So that might be an easy one for Mr. Abdullah Mason who definitely looks to be the goods. Mr. Hightucker continues his march back after a successive loss than a draw, taking on eight one and one Santiago Fernandez. Fernandez losing his last fight and his undefeated record to be also undefeated Alexandria Gomont. I'm assuming it's that because it's in French Canada. He lost it by a split decision. So, and that was just in May. So he's been being active. So that could be a decent fight there. Let's see here. We got Leela Boudon, taken on Elizabeth Crespo with a WBO international belt on the line. And then we got Dimitri acid now against Mateus Carlos Adrian, Rita. That's a lot of a lot of names there. But that's interest seven and oh fighter against a 38 and two guy. Let's let's explore this record here. Mr. Rita has only been stopped once. But you know, again, he has only had two defeats 32 knockouts in his 38 victories. He is an Argentine. Oh man, they're unpredictable. He lost to Liam Wilson in 2022. He's been fairly inactive recently, but he did go the distance with Mr. Wilson picking up a 90. He only lost one card by 96 94. So that's not too bad. I don't know. This one might be a little bit more of a fight than the other ones. He's got a couple of decent. You lost to Oscar Valdez in 2016, stopped in the second round. So if you remember him, maybe that would be where it's from. So, and that's not a bad fight for a seven and oh guy. Oh, it's less a glace. A glace. He's I've seen him. He looks to be a decent fighter taken on Cina. I think we saw it. Becco recently in a title fight that he lost. Maybe it was Benavita. Not morale. That's who he lost you in two rounds. Yeah. And let's see here. And then I kind of thought this one was it was an interesting one to cap off the undercard here. My, my hunch on this one aims is that. Uh, Eric's landing Mac mood off. Um, although he was, uh, you know, absolutely underwhelmed overwhelmed by the, the, the Turkish fellow whose name is escaping you for usual. Cabell Cabell. Thank you. Um, he's going in against Guido Villanillo. And I don't think that Mr. Villanillo offers that same kind of physicality that caused Mac mood off such troubles. And I kind of think he might be back on the knockout train, uh, come this Saturday. Did you just call him Eric's landing Mac mood off. Eric's landing back. Well, it's like Cuban, Cuban Kazakhstan. Maybe he is Cuban Russian. Maybe he is. I think he's Russian. Yeah, Russian. I think he's down as Canadian as well too. I'm glad you've come to me on this fight, mate, because I had the opportunity actually to interview both of these last week. So I've spoken to both us and back myself and Villanillo lead it to this fight. Um, I still can't get my head around for how when you've got a corner or when you got a team of Mark Ramsey, John Scully and Russ Amber, managing, guiding your career, building you as a fighter to have taken the jump. I guess maybe the risk reward in terms of the reward being a lot bigger than what you've had before. Maybe led there, guided their hand towards taking that Caball fight. But when you've got that corner and when you've got other forces of management around you as well too, that you would have taken that fight and not done your not really known about Caball. Although we, I guess even the most hardcore fans didn't really think too much of Caball, but knew that he was at minimum, a top end European operator, because that's what his record has shown in the past. I was very surprised that corner, let him into that fight with just how big of a gap it showed to be between McWidov and Caball. Now, McWidov says that he broke his hand in that fight, and that's what really hindered him. I'm not too sure that even with both those hands, which he's very adept with and very strong with, would have saved him from getting or changing the result of the first fight. I think he looked totally lost in dealing with Caball, who wasn't afraid of him. He didn't see him as this big, buggy man monster that he is in front of you. But when you dissect what he can do, you clearly see that a technical fighter like Caball can come through that challenge as seen his type beforehand. What I like about Caball is he's technically sound, but he's a bully. It's very cool the way that he fights. McWidov showed for me a real kind of concerning weakness to the body, which Villanello has highlighted and seen. Guido, these two aren't strangers either. They've fought before in the WBSB tournament, and if you watch that fight back, McWidov looks like he's about to really run through Villanello. At some point, if McWidov was a little bit more tired, he would have probably stopped Villanello. The fight did end up stopping, but what happened was the fight had stopped to a little bit of an awkward cut to the back of Villanello's ear. So when McWidov caught him with the right hand, I think it was, he went in for the clinch, and I think you've seen McWidov that he's got a bit of a twitch. So when their heads collided, McWidov's ticked wanted a better phrase, and that I believe caused part of the cut. So that fight had to be stopped there, even though I believe that for me and what I saw that that fight was probably going only one way, and Guido was going to be on the end of a defeat. Now, Villanello moves a lot less than he did beforehand, and I thought he looked pretty good in the fight with a JAGBA, and again, if he put his shots a little bit better, that he might have found himself really kind of putting dent in FA on at night and not losing on Earth. But the decision, I believe it was, he's had some good sparring for this camp. He's been sparring Francis and Ghana, which I think is almost about as close as you can really get to McWidov, who's crude still as they come in his repertoire of boxing. And as well, he's been fighting Michael Hunter, too, which is regardless of the styles, a real good fighter, a real adept fighter. I think the key for Guido, if he's going to come through this, is to set and hold his feet and look to really kind of throw down to the body and clinch and stifle as much as you can, McWidov's offense. And if he finds that dent in McWidov, really force it through, like Caball, force it through and didn't give us and make a chance to recover from it. And that's how Guido Villanello comes through with the victory. For me, for someone who's been in there beforehand, has shown propensity to be able to really hurt his opponent in Vinello, McWidov holds the keys in this fight. And it's an opportunity for both fighters for them to, again, carve their, or step another rung up the ladder to get back into Saudi. And I have a feeling that the Saudis probably like McWidov a little bit more because of his star on the package, I guess, of him, but he's got to earn it against Vinello, I think he will. You've got me thinking about Vinello now, and I am thinking he definitely comes in as an underdog, if not a sizable underdog with the books in this one. You're a decent salesman there, sir. Does any thoughts on this undercard before we move to the main event? Yeah, a couple of points. To touch on what Aime said, he was surprised at the matchmaking between Team McMoodoff and Caboel. I'm not saying it's to have a poke or a windup, but I've been around American boxing, and their arrogance never failed to surprise me. And we see it a couple of weeks ago with Joe and Anderson, when they picked Bacoli over Jimmie Franklin. I don't think there's anyone watching this pod that would have thought Bacoli is an easier fight than Franklin. Maybe. I'm not sure. But no, if you have sat down with McMoodoff's team and said, we've got a Caboel who's boxed three times in three years, and six years ago, he got a majority win over Derek's ora. They wouldn't look at anything else other than those points. And we're talking about a country of 450 million people. You've got it all there, and everything else doesn't really matter. I'm not talking about your Mexico's, but the Europe's and a kid based in Germany. I think they just got it so wrong. And much like the Bacoli and Anderson thing, if you'd have said to himself, or Aimes, or Rob Andy, Steve, Dom, anyone that comes on this pod, would you take the Caboel fight? They just said, absolutely not. In fact, on our group, we was all laying money on Caboel to stop him because we knew that Caboel understood angles. Caboel's IQ was through the roof compared to McMoodoff. McMoodoff's never ever been here before. So, I just think that that brilliant team, it just goes to show with the intellectual property that's in that group, they still get things like this wrong. And they've been doing this for a long time. American boxing is guilty of this. In answer to Aimes' question, I just think they just picked the wrong one. Much the same way Terry Lawless picked James Smith, Bone Crusher Smith, all them years ago. Much the way they brought over Marvin Hagler for Alaminta, sometimes the goodness just get it wrong. So, I think McMoodoff made a big mistake in Caboel. Caboel's live. He's very inactive. He seems to be very laid back around his career, but he's a very, very good fighter, who understands the nuances of boxing. He's a good kid and people like AJ would struggle with Caboel. So, I think they got it wrong. I think he beats Vienna alone. I think Aimes is right. Having done it before, I think he'll be comfortable now. I think he'll go through him. I think it'll be a first, four or five rounds. I think McMoodoff will find his range and I think it'll be too big and he'll have a bit too much size. Someone on the undercard that I've always been interested in is Inglesias. Now, he's a Cuban based in Germany, which is unique, but he's also one of these Cubans that lost five national Cuban finals. So, he's a good kid, but there's obviously a middleweight that was just better than him. And something interesting about Inglesias is he's got a broken nose. You never see a Cuban with a broken nose. So, his style doesn't really suit Cuban boxing, but maybe it suits pro boxing. And I think what is it at the moment? Is he like 10-0 with 11 or 11 fights with 11 wins, 10 KO's? I think he's someone we can look at and we can sort of see how his next five fights go. But I think he's in good hands in Germany. I think he's got a good style for the program and I'll be interested in saying we get some. Yeah, for some reason, I think Andy might have been high on him, too. They've got a small handful of decent young prospects currently. He's a good guy. He's a good guy, man. Don't forget, over in the UK, it's a much different scow, I know. But we've seen guys like John Ryder who couldn't get out of London. Guys like Tyson Fury who couldn't win the ABA's with David Price within it. We've seen a second place in more suited to the pros and have really good careers. So, it'd be interesting to see how Glazist does. And like I said, the little things I'm looking at, he can punch, he's got a broken nose because he's quite unique. He's in good company over in Germany. Let's see how his pro career develops. But at the moment, he's looking like a hot floster, so I agree with Andy. And while we're talking about members of the pod, they were hot on people, I'm really looking forward to seeing how Bula Mason gets on. Over the next 12 months, they've kept him really active. He's really busy. He's a huge talent. I'd like to see when he gets to a little bit more of a level, how he does. But at the moment, he's really hot at Bula Mason and with good people as well. Yeah, I think him and Carington are two young prospects with strong amateur backgrounds to really keep your eye on. I think both could be playing in the title conversation. You talk about Angela Leo fighting there. If he doesn't fight, Luis Alberto Lopez, don't be shocked if Bob doesn't try to get Shushu in there with them. Don't be shocked. But Mason and his team, I think he's trained by his father. He's got people around it. They must have made a conscious decision. We're not going to go with the amateur. We're not going to wait for Olympic cycle. We're not going to do the world. We're going to go straight into... Like Haney's old man. Haney did the same thing. And that was the model. That's the blueprint. That's what Haney told me. Well, and if you look at the way, like we have another year gone by where it looks like the United States is able to get one metal out of the whole freaking thing. And I mean, if you're looking at that, like, look, we could go through this three round bullshit and all these corrupt decisions. You know, I mean, there's a reason that boxing might not be in the games in 2028. And we can go through all that nonsense to maybe get a metal. And if not, go four years later. Or we can go out there and we can start making some cheddar. And sometimes you look at the landscape as well. You say, look, you know, the two kids that you're white, one of them is one of Pan-American. One of them has been to the world and got silver. You know, we're going to get a couple of S, but we've got to go to Russia or to, you know, Uzbekistan. We're not going to get a rub. So, you know what, rather than hang around four years waiting for the landscape to shift, let's turn over now. Absolutely right. Just turn pro and leave the amateurs behind them. You know, guys, I don't want to, like, take this too far off topic here, but I was just thinking about this. I'd love to ask both of you guys' opinion on this. Given the way that they've been performing in this Olympics in recent amateur competitions, is Uzbekistan the new Ukraine? Yeah, in the new queue. But yeah, Uzbekistan the new one. China, China have cleaned up women's boxing. And Uzbekistan have cleaned up men's boxing. Absolutely right. Ames, any thought on that topic? No, not really. But don't cry too much, Mattie, because you've got Jake Paulen entering an Olympic medal success. So don't worry, it's coming home. We've been, how many years have we had over here in the UK for a World Cup? You'll get your Olympic gold coming back soon in the boxing as the problem child is going to lift up. It's going to lift up a gold medal, don't you worry? Oh, man. Yeah, it's, I guess that Jake Paulen is going to be the new Evander Holyfield. If our all hopes are all at the cost. Can you see, Mattie, that with the full of the Iron Curtain and the breakup of the previous Soviet Union, we've now got 11 monsters in a continent like Europe. And you have to assume that countries like Cuba, they're still going as good as they've ever gone. So now, countries like America have to work with that. So in the '70s, '16 and the '80s, '14, then guys were as good as pro boxes. Then guys trained at a crunk. Then guys had almost professionally training camps at Palm Springs. They were like modern amateur pros. But the rest of the world has caught up and developed a new system. And over free freeze, being a really good solid amateur with a brilliant pro style, doesn't win your Olympic competition to it. Doesn't win your world titles like amateur world anymore because you just can't make, you can't have an impact over nine minutes, not against that type of style that we're seeing. Well, and the thing these countries oftentimes do that we don't really do over here is that they offer support for young athletes and provide them education and sport and the academics. And from a young age and bring them on up into this, we're not doing those kind of things. I think one of the best examples of how this is done when you have money privately and what the results are is about 20, 25 years ago, parents in South Korea started sending their children to Florida to the David Ledbetter Golf Academy to work to play, you know, get golf instruction and, you know, their academics. And if you've looked in the last 15 years or so, 15, 20 years or so, how many South Koreans have just dominated women's golf? I know it's probably not your sport, but it's huge. It's huge. So if the United States wants to see these results in boxing, they're going to have to find a way to coalesce the best talent throughout our amateur system and get them in around 14, 15, 16 years old and finish off their education through the Olympic team, but make sure that they're getting a consistent education in their sport of choice simultaneously. If we want Olympic greatness, we're going to have to go that way again because it's, you know, they're just, for the people who are the most skilled at the sport, they oftentimes just don't do not have the resources to pursue it in a meaningful way. Yeah. I mean, I always look to American sport as, you know, the shining light because, you know, you guys can be good at a sport and go through college on the back of it and be well-educated and have wonderful careers after college and the sport can get put to one side. And if you're good enough, you can go and have a wonderful, you know, a wonderful career in sport. We see on the Olympics. We see on the NBA. And American athletes always come across ever so well, articulate, eruditing their views. You know, they seem to be, you know, the full package. But boxing has somehow been pushed out of that, hasn't it? You don't do boxing scholarship. You don't take boxes into college for four years or three years or two years and you run them down in an Olympic cycle or go to a world or a pan American. So boxing isn't part of a scholarship model in America, is it? No. And, you know, I'll take that again. We're really going off-face here, but we're way early in the show where what it usually goes. I'll tell you this. I think something happened in the United States that forever changed the way that we looked at boxing and made people less interested in it. And it was a two-piece and a biscuit. The jab was Mike Tyson going to prison for rape. The right hand was the fan man and the absolute batshit nature of Bo versus Holyfield II. Really? The hook was Tyson biting Holyfield's ear off. And you think those three things have monumentally contributed down for the boxing in America? Absolutely. And the uppercut, mate, is the rise of the UFC. The uppercut, what are you talking about? Oh, you're saying, yeah, to finish the whole thing off, yeah. Like Mark has against Diaz, just a little finisher in there, yeah. And that's the thing is, because boxing still has a lot of the audience that used to have, but unfortunately, and although that's changing, they're people that don't have the economic power of the Caucasian population, that being Hispanics and black people. And as the white combat sport audience has shifted to UFC, their dollars have also shifted into that direction to pulling it away from boxing. So, you know, Hispanic fans and black fans are typically what keeps boxing going here. But you look at it, and that's not to say there's not money to be made if you don't do it right, but you have see charges like a $60 pay-per-view basically every single weekend of the year anymore. You know, it's not like they're not shelling out their cash. Yeah, I just think a real big tell to add to what you're saying, of course, is obviously, you know, it's done in dust in that shipper cell. But if boxing was as big as it was back in the day, if it was as relevant as it was to any near of what it was back in the day, then it would be boxing headlining first at that. Is it the Vegas sphere, as opposed to the Riyadh season UFC note shake card, which has been run by, you know, Turkey and Al-Shakey's choosing to go with UFC or, you know, helping to assist the UFC in leading with that as opposed to boxing? Yeah, and that's interesting. It's putting them opposite a canelo on that same weekend. And is there an argument to be had that we've seen other sports? Absolutely a clip boxing. So over in the UK, we've got Premier League football and even championship football. You know, these guys are Hollywood every weekend. And I can imagine over in America, the NFL and the NBA, they're Hollywood every weekend. And there's a lot more facility for young people to play these sports. There's a lot more Paul for young people to come into these sports. It's very glamorous. There's a lot more opportunity to pursue these type of sports in schools and in higher schools and secondary schools and outside of education as well. So maybe it's harder to be a boxer now and also as well, not to forget as a society. You know, I don't want to go too far into this, but as a society, we are getting a bit softer. Maybe boxing just a bit too tough, you know. Well, an appearance are getting their kids out of American football too because the rise of CTE and frozen stuff. But if you think about it this way and let's go back to those two groups that keep the sport going. Now, if you're an athletically gifted black child in an urban environment where you're going to see a good bulk of these athletes come from. Where might you probably go? Well, you'll probably go to basketball. You're not getting beat in the head. If you're going to probably be a little bit tall, you'll have an advantage there. And what is the offering that a lot of these kids in growing up in the projects have for them if they're good at basketball? Well, they'll get a chance in high school to go to one of the very top notch Catholic high schools with great basketball programs, history of getting guys to college and then to the NBA, but the start of their program. So they are fostering that ability at a young age through these Catholic schools oftentimes in these predominantly black communities. Now, on the Hispanic side of things, they love baseball. I mean, other than getting conked in the head by a line driver, a hard pitch, your comparative chances of experiencing, you know, major damage to your brain is nothing in baseball compared to boxing or football. So if you're in the Hispanic community and your family has a little, just even a little bit of upward economic mobility and you're athletically gifted, your path is probably going to be baseball. And there's a lot of community support and sponsorships that happen for these young men to play in these traveling youth baseball leagues. So there you have the two biggest groups who have contributed to the tapestry of American boxing over the last 40 years. You know, I'd say earlier on than that, it was more of a blend, especially, you know, with Italian Americans and Jewish Americans, you know, fighting their way through and stuff like that. But now it's, it's very recently been your Hispanic and your, your black people and you have basketball and you have baseball and they provide much more convenient routes with educational options and support from the community on the way to achieving their dreams. And you do not see that in boxing. And I'm assuming that college programs are open to not just the NBA, but the NFL and track and field as well, aren't they? Oh, yeah. And the one thing that might change that is American football and colleges is what provides a lot of the funding actually for the, for the other sports, you know, like a lot of the sports like, you know, like women's softball and most colleges. It doesn't make enough money to pay for the scholarships and the education and all that stuff and, and take that and apply it to any number of other sports. But what they're changing is they're making it, they're changing laws where it's looking like they're, they could have to be paying college football players because they produce so much economic value. But all that's going to do is suck up the scholarships options away from these other sports that don't produce their own funding. And you might see a decline again in some other areas because another sport is sucking up the talent sucking up the funds. So, anyhow, and Billy versus Derivin Cenko gentlemen. I think that in Billy is going to be found out sooner than later it's not like he doesn't punch hard it's not like he's not fast, but I don't see any nuance I don't see any off speed stuff it's all fast it's all hard. And my hunch gentlemen is that in Billy is just is going to get through Derivin Cenko because he's the right fighter at the right time. But if you look at the changes top rank has now gotten Jaime Mungia aboard and he's going to be fighting. He's going to be fighting Brazilian here in a few weeks and my hunch ladies and gentlemen who are listening is that you're going to see early next year Jaime Mungia if he gets through that Brazilian fight with a W against Christian and Billy. Should he get through Derivin Cenko so do you guys think there does that he is going that Derivin Cenko is going to throw a wrench in the gears I don't think so. Tell me why I might be wrong. No I agree with you I think Derivin Cenko is a brilliant bit of matchmaking and when you've gotten them Billy who's you know showing so much promise so much potential. This is Frank Warren matchmaking it really is you've just although it's not Frank obviously but it's Frank Warren style matchmaking you brought a name a world class operator who's on the turn which on his way down. Who I think was he lost a lot five in his last eight or beating good company but he's lost five years last eight. I think this is a guy who we saw peaking for five years ago. I love to fight was was the best that I think we've ever seen. And there's an argument there's an argument that the love team was on the turn then as well so we don't quite know although that was a very good performance from Derivin Cenko there's an argument that the love team was. I love him was off going off so I just think they've put all that into a computer and have come out with this summit. Derivin Cenko is the right fighter is the right time from Billy. I think I don't think and Billy will. I think it'd be very respectful of him I think he'll you'll learn a lot in there with him but I think this is a fight and Billy win. I don't think he'll be able to win right now. I would absolutely give him his flowers were that the that that the outcome Rob Callie is with this Rob I'll get to you in a second because I'd like to wrap up some other thoughts with you. Obviously after that don't involve this fight. Why don't you give me your thoughts on this one aims does this thinking that in Billy gets a stoppage. That is a statement if there was one thing that he could do that I'd say maybe wrong about this guy, it would be stopping Derivin Cenko. I'm taking the baton from Des here and I actually think this is going to be a stoppage and probably earlier I think this would be a fight of the year contender probably for about five rounds I think this is a battle of engines and Derivin Cenko's engines just it's butter in a bit now for back of fights of Hymen McGee which is a brilliant fight. I know the fights of course that you mentioned before that he's been glove can as well too I still maintain that glove can won that fight but it was a real good battle between the two of them but. Derivin Cenko you'll see him in the fights even when he's having success in moments he's probably being caught on either the preceding part of his success or on the back end of his success but he knows how to cover up he's got the experience and now to cover up and go again and defend those moments where he does get hurt but the problem is in this fight is he's against a fighter who has an engine where it will just be right. I'm going to give one and I'm going straight into four and five and I'm just going to go and I'm going to go and I'm going to go and if I see that moment with Derivin Cenko gets hurt he's going to go for the opening and throw until either the bell stops or he's got Derivin Cenko on the canvas and I think that's what it will be I think it will be. We'll see a spirited Derivin Cenko but I think he's in with a fighter who's a bit too fresh who's a bit too much in the tank for Derivin Cenko who might be saying he's got a bit old overnight even though he is getting on here. I think this is a real good matchmaking for Billy and his team and he's going to look sparkling after this. They're going to call out the big names after this fight but the story will be that really it's a Derivin Cenko who's faded and not once what he wants was I'd love to see Derivin Cenko kind of pull it back and have maybe one more go at it because like you're saying Mattie I think that Billy is no, he's no top level. He's a great talent but he isn't that guy at all. He's athletically gifted he's not a high IQ ring fighter I think. No he just throws his real he's athleticism and his abilities his output and his ability to go is what was what has gotten through so far in my opinion. I think again in this fight this is probably what we'll see him through as well too. One thing that I think we'll see if I'm Billy has got that power at this at this sort of level as well with Derivin Cenko but I tend to think that he does and yeah I think five rounds for me he gets a job done. Yeah I think if there's one thing that I'm kind of curious how he takes it and then if he's able to do anything about it. Rob is you know Derivin Cenko is good as fighting as the shorter guy so I'm kind of wondering if he might kind of get do the get low and then go over the top with something kind of thing. And I think he is going to check in Billy's chin at some point and that'll be a question but that if there's one kind of little wrinkle thing that I'm curious might be shown. It's definitely how he deals with a short fighter going low coming over the top. What are you thinking Rob? Yeah I think Derivin Cenko is a big shot one. He's after being in some incredible fights and he's after giving us free of good value but we always talk about those nights taking something off your career. I haven't said that I don't yeah I don't. Like he's there for the team like the smart money says yeah and Billy should stop him but I don't know man I don't think sometimes these guys are able to roll the clock back and you're right in their their obituary and then they come up with something special I think his legacy is that he was a solid kind of B-plus fighter and you know kind of world level I guess in today's standard like had had to be once to have a war so all these good matchmaking but sometimes those ones that you're just matchmaking on the way you just think you have them at the right time they can throw a fucking banana can add in the tailpipe or whatever so I don't know like I think I'm I don't think I'm not going to rule out Derivin Cenko having one more epic role other dice in them and maybe getting something out of this we're ready to see you'll be excited to fight. I do think you'll be entertaining for whatever it's worth but it's just a matter of how competitive it ends up being down the stretch so we'll see I guess we're we're kind of wondering more if it's stopping your decision than who's the winner but we've looked foolish like that before but you know like in the case of Garcia versus Haney we didn't know that Garcia was used to the gills but any final thoughts on this fight gentleman before I ask Rob a question real quick. No I just think when they make an equation about how to match a kid like a Billy and there's a lot of money behind him and there's an awful lot of hope for him. I think they look at the wear and tear on the opponent and I think if Derivin Cenko had a career he wasn't so not too bad not to be disrespectful. I think he would have been a hard fight for him but I think they might have swerved him but I just think they're trading on the fact that a Billy's younger, fresher, a bit more explosive, more dynamic he can punch we'd like to see if he can punch at this level. Derivin Cenko is a good test but I think what this is all picked up this type of matchmaking pivots on the fact that Derivin Cenko has lost five in the last eight and he had a career of being knocked about. And I think that's why Derivin Cenko is the pick. You think why that embellies the pick? No that's why they picked Derivin Cenko. Oh ok yeah yeah yeah yeah. Everything we won but he won't go 12 rounds with his kid and win the fight and I just think his body will fail on him. I think he's had too much of a hard career. If it was anybody else that had been a bit cuter in their career not so much wear and tear. But guys like Derivin Cenko they see it go off a cliff and I just think we're seeing that now. He's really on the other side and I think he's coming down. Right fighter at the right time and we will find out on Saturday that'll be happening from Canada. There's been some cancellations and stuff. I think we're definitely going to take a week off here coming up. I can't figure out which one yet. I think it might be two weeks from now but we'll see. Now Rob you haven't been with us for a couple weeks here so real quick. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the fights that we saw last night. When we got off air you kind of thought that Terence Crawford might lose against Madramov. We both thought it would go to a decision proven right on that one. But that Riyadh season card that was pretty good fair at different moments as well. Yeah what is that? I think it was Aims saying that he thought Madramov was going to bring people in. I wouldn't have been surprised. I wouldn't have been surprised even on the night. If the decision had gone to Madramov but I think it would have been a generous victory for Madramov. I think Crawford did enough to win the fight. I had a kind of 8-4. It's no problem if you have a 7-5. I don't think Madramov was that active. I think he tried to pop a little bit. He took less than 300 punches in the fight. That's tough. We've got Harren talking about Ripper from the champion. In other words the champion tried ripping himself. He was fucking... It was kind of there for him. That's not me saying like borders on the slide or anything. But it's up at 154 pounds. Remember on this part he grew into the weight of welterweight. People used to think Spencer was going to be too big when he moved from 140 to 47 and then he beat Jeff Horne like a heavy bag. People were like already has a lot of strength and power. Obviously the knockout streak has to come to an end at some stage. He's not Superman. He's fucking going to go up to 154. That knockout is over. And as well as not a lot of the stoppages he got. 47. They weren't like one punch KO. He has power but he doesn't have that kind of one punch KO power where he just folds a guy in half. Like you're always waiting on the power. There's other stuff he does too. He breaks it down in the fight. He works the body. He's a brilliant counter puncher. He goes south part of the dock. So he has other ways of beating guys. And I think it's great. He just catches you at a position. Yeah. And I think that's what I think that's what he just framed away to win against Madramov. I think like the last two where I think he has that killer instinct. So even if he's not going to finish, he's a 54. He's still new to put the foot down the last two rounds and win them wide. I was surprised but not really surprised when watching it that he stayed and set up off for the whole fight. But I think that's just because Madramov is so... If he'd have gone out the docks, Madramov is so good in opposition himself. That it might have been, you know, he might have gave up some other rounds. But close fights put a clear winner for me in that fight. I didn't think... like I had nobody. I didn't think that Madramov wanted. And it... it really matched like I don't think I'd want to see it again either. Like it's a... he had a shot upward. He didn't take it. It was a close fight. And he took some rounds off him. But like we've seen this with guys take rounds off for before. Like our later in the fight that he just turns around better. He does have a lot of skis. They have moments but he figures them out. And I think Madramov had a couple of moments. But both figured them out. And when he pumped the jab in his face, he started to break him down. So I think both can probably beat any of the 54 pounders. Fondor is a really interesting fight. But it's not going to happen. Obviously it doesn't bring any fucking cash value to the table. Like both versus Fondor. But I think that's probably the 54 pounder that he has trouble with because of the... the style that we saw Fondor fight against Zu. Where he actually boxed. I think that's a hard guy to get in outside of. Obviously for this way, way better boxer. I still favor him to beat everybody at 54. This canelo fights. I don't know man. I don't know. What is this for? Like it's not going to happen anyway. I think Taki has come out and said that canelo is never going to do business with him. So he wants to do show peace fights. He doesn't... Which the Crawford fight will be by the way. Show peace fight. But that's not going to happen. So I don't know what we see from Crawford. I think he's got maybe one or two more fights. He might want a big payday. He might want to go to 60 and take a shot up there. Like if he can't, if he can't get the Canelo fight, he was willing to go to 68. He could probably win a version of a tight left 60 couldn't he? Well, considering, you know, the plan from Alishikas, he wants him against Ortiz, especially considering the W last night. What did you think of that war between him and Bhujik? I think it was a good fight. And I think Ortiz showed how good of a fighter he is. I still think he falls short against Crawford. I think Crawford will make him pay too often in the fight. And I don't think Boarded let it get into that kind of a tour for all. I think it'd be just too cute for him. And I think he kept a punch on the date. That's not taking anything away from Ortiz. I just don't think he's good enough to be Crawford to get me. Yeah, we still don't know who's good enough to beat Crawford. And at this point, Rob, I don't even think it's an argument of who's good enough to be. Crawford is so much as who's good enough and big enough to beat Crawford. It's one of those things where it's got to be a size and skill combination. Yeah, if he goes, like I said, he's not Superman. I think the Canalo one would have been a bit of a step too far. He was the entry game. But those kind of fights were fellas putting on 20 pounds to go up. I don't know. I didn't see any reason for Canalo to want to fight Bull Crawford at this stage of his career. Canalo's resume and legacy is always going to be kind of... There's always going to be question marks over the legacy of Canalo because of what happened in the Galave Confraid and the Pop and Hard and the, you know, the couple of rehydration clauses where he cherry picked his going up the weights. But he was extremely active. He fought everybody in his area, even if it was on his own terms. And I don't think he owes the box on public a fight with terms Crawford that there's absolutely nothing for him. And that's probably the way he sees it. He's getting maybe unnecessary stake on the way out for an off-fight in Benavide's. But then again, Crawford's not fighting Bullton. It's either easy, like so it's just... Sometimes the guys get to pick and choose the biggest paydays at the end of the career. It's a pity for Bulldo. There's a kind of a lack of dance partner for to get him a little bit cash out. The Spence rematch is common gone. And there's not really another dance partner that you'd really see generate massive cash from at this stage. Like obviously Turkey's going to pay him well, but like... You get what I'm saying, like it's not... He's beating his arch nemesis and he has no other peers. Yeah, it's sometimes just at the top of the mountain. And sometimes it's a very lonely place. There was a question up here. I thought it was decent real quick before we go away. Where the heck was it? There we go, Joe Burns. Especially 'cause from Joe, I like Joe. He says are the main old school weight divisions. Feather, welter, and middleweight ever been so weak. There's always normally at least two elite level guys in each division what you guys think. I will agree with you, Joe... I agree with him on 147 and 160. But I actually think that featherweight is tremendously strong right now. I will agree with tons of great matches. And I don't know if it's like it's tough calling elite level guys. Maybe there's no one like exactly an elite level. But there's a lot of high level operators there who could give each other a W on any given night. So I'm with you on 147 and 160, not 126. Des, what do you think? No, I think our light heavy is brilliant. I think we've got a good heavyweight scene. Yeah, middleweight's a bit spare at a minute. And we've just seen bad and spent depart Welter. And in the old days you might have had bad spent and any spoots in there. So yeah, welterweight's never spare for a long time. No, so I expect that to... I expect maybe a cup of the other guys maybe down at like Welter to jump up. I think we're going to have a decent Welterweight division soon enough. I think Welterweight's good. Yeah. I hear the point is making, I think we've not got a middleweight division of we. And that's outside, historically outside of the heavy. That's the marquee weight, that's the marquee division. And I think... Phantomweight is stacked too, but it's stacked. That's amazing. I wish them to some very good fighters down at Benson. I think the point that Joe is making and Joe is a good guy. We like Joe. And I think we've got a really weak middleweight division at the moment. And that's the first time in a long time. So I think outside of the heavy weights, the middleweight's always been marquee. So if that's a bit like it, it can sometimes affect perhaps the eyes on boxing. I know where Joe's coming from. Yeah, and Ames, I just don't know if 147 actually is that weak. Or if PBC's failure to make these fights and maintain dates has killed the welterweight division because they own so much of the talent there. What do you think, Ames? Yeah, I mean, you know... You cast your mind to a few years back and you had real big lights in the welterweight division. They're like, "Oh, it made me a con. I was in there." Well, I think Thurman, Porter, Garcia, Pacquiao, all running around at the same time. Spence. There was a pretty good number of fighters there just three or four years ago, right before COVID. It was pretty hot. It was pretty hot. But I guess that lends into your point of if you don't make the fights, then the buzz goes. And you keep the marination going for so long and then everyone moves out of the division and you haven't got the fights there anymore and you're lost out of the fights. And I suppose you kick yourself in the foot. You shoot yourself in the foot they don't. When you don't make those fights and you don't make those fights between those good fighters. Yeah, so I think a lot of this lends to not only the organizations or the promoters like the PBC, but also the fighters as well too. It's a lot of, take the responsibility to get in the ring and have those fights Crawford and Spence. They really led the line for it. But outside of that, that's not really had the kick on effect to have any of the big fights in that division. But those names aren't there either right now. And when it comes to, when you think about what some of those fighters want to do, when you've had the likes of a Connor Ben want to fight Pacquiao as opposed to another contender of Mario Baras want to fight Pacquiao. Some of these fighters have been rumored to fight long gone fighters of the division. It kind of tells you as to the respect that they have for their own division right now. So yeah, I think it's going to take someone coming through from a fighter that's not even in the rankings right now to come through and really kind of take it by the horns and put it through unless it's going to be someone like boots in this. But if he's chasing Crawford, then how long is he going to stay at 1474? So yeah, I think Ryan Garcia, when he comes back from his band, should surely be around 147 by that, shouldn't he? Well, or 174, I don't know. You can't count on, you can't, right now. You can't, you can't put any money down on that at all. And that's what you'd hope for. Guys, see if, like, there was a passing at a torch moment there that he's basically blundered, like, isn't it? Like, the Haney fight, if you hadn't popped hot, you'd be the biggest ticket to sport. Like, can you recall the shots on making big fights? But yeah, I'm sitting at L4 here and now he's having a retirement party. But Lopez is calling for the Crawford fight. But what, wait, is that? Because that's not going to be at 147. No, that's at 154. They both have felt now. Exactly. But Lopez, who's, who wants to watch. That would be the one I'd want to watch if, if one can't get a dance party, why not? That's it. You've got, to the point here, you've got Lopez who wants to bypass welterweight and go straight for Crawford at Superweller. So that's more, more diminishment of that division, welterweight. Well, here's the ring ratings currently for, for welterweight. Uh, right now they got, uh, Jared Ennis at one, then a monestagnionis. Mario Berrios, David Avonation, uh, Brian Norman, Jr. Uh, Giovanni Santian, Shakaram Giasov, uh, Alexis Rocha, Jen Sasaki. I've never seen Jen Sasaki from Japan fight. He's 17, one in one with 16 knockouts and Rell Curiel, who is definitely a prospect on the rise and one to be watched. But it's not the hottest division right there. And the only things that I'm looking at, like, yeah, you can make that fight, uh, pretty easily. Right now would be Stagnionis against Berrios. Are we, are we missing? Maybe the fact that after Muhammad Ali, the heavyweight division went into a low. After Mark Tyson, they had great division into a low. Are we experiencing the same thing, welter off the Floyd? Well, no, or after Crawford now, I think Crawford might have tightened it up again. So I still, I still don't think as good as bad is and as much as I love about him. And then you're watching in books. I still don't think he filled that void, Mattie of Floyd. Well, if you think about it, other than Ennis, who, who was, who kind of is the new kid on the block. He's been on that rings rating list for a little over three years now. Um, stay, uh, Spence and Crawford, um, basically cleaned out the division between the two of them. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah. Yeah. So I, so I don't know, because I, it was definitely after Floyd and Manny. But I think it tightened up real quick again because you had some guys right behind him to take it over. And I think Spence versus Crawford was the another, uh, was another closing of the book or attorney. I think, I think the common denominator between Floyd, Mike Tyson, Mamrie, they were marketing geniuses. They, they, they crossed over. And I don't think it was good as bad and Spence had been. They've, they've never crossed over. So I think that what we're seeing in the World Trade Division and the World Trade is a marquee division. It's never been weak in my lifetime, but I think it's a bit weak now. And I think why I wonder if we're struggling, the, the consumer is struggling to attach itself to this one fourth division because it's hanging, it's suffering from a hangover of having Floyd, who was an absolute marketing genius. Everything about Floyd, this is a guy that took counter punch into box office. This is a guy that didn't need to stop people to be sell out. This is a guy that went, like, falls 100 list. This is a guy that sold all over the world. Like, I think the World Trade Division might be struggling post Floyd. I think boxing just in general might be struggling. I get, I get that like a man. Manny was the, Manny did a lot to boost Floyd's, the interest in Floyd too, because it was always like, what are these two want to fight? They oversold it by five years. I'm sure everybody can remember that time, five years beforehand where it, they look like it was done. And then whoever pulled the program to negotiations, whether it was Floyd's side, Manny's side, who was telling the truth, we don't know, but it looked like it was going to be, and then it looked like it was never going to happen. So I think that intrigued about the two of them had said it, but like, I get what you're saying, like about that, but like the World Trade Division then recovered from having Ray Leonard as the biggest thing in it. Like Ray Leonard was the biggest, biggest thing in World Trade, Thomas Harnes. And then you had an ex-crop that came through. That was Honegan, Mark Breathen, Marlon Styling, Don Curry. And like great went with, I was just kind of written, because it always seemed to be like almost like a production. I know great went with, especially Americans. And yeah, I just think, I think the Floyd thing is, I think both would have been a star if Tarky had a met him earlier. I think it's like Adam didn't know what to do with him. If you look at the coverage and exposure of Crawford's, I forget. And now this fucking Eminem opened an up concert from before he goes like, let's like fucking have a Taylor Swift or something. You get me like, it's not like, it's not like, you know, he's just calling one of the homies that comes through with them. Like that's serious kind of, that's commanding serious star power, like to attach to his brand. So I think if, it's not a dude from the hood fucking just wrapping over his own track walking. Yeah, you're not getting a little baby like just cause the things where we're fucking tanked Davis or something like that. And after Friday, that's serious fucking clout. Like, so I think, obviously helps Eminem's a boxing fan or whatever. But I think like, you when you see that kind of star power drawn themselves towards the Terrence Crawford brand, that tight before when he's up the weights and on the way out. I think if they've got him, like if they just understood him a little bit earlier, he could have, he could have crossed over everything. Cause when you're here and talking, he's actually quite funny. And then obviously in the fight side, he's all business like he's so he's like marketable. If you're just marking them right, I thought it would. They did a brilliant job on the on the Riyadh card season. The market now, but actually because he was everywhere. But yeah, you have to cut it's just gold like that. That sometimes doesn't, Aaron dropped the ball like that with Floyd too. Like he didn't really, he said afterwards he didn't understand how big he could be. And that's why he fucking, that's why he kind of fumbled the bag a little bit. Well, the difference between Floyd and Crawford Rob is that like Floyd, like eventually was able to get that attention when he got the spotlight and he just like, he was an asshole. I think a lot of white people are into Crawford is like, like, man, this guy is just kind of likable. Yeah, Floyd understood like he, he, he went back to the, to the Ali blueprint of fucking annoying the rednecks where they come to the front group, come to want to see him get beaten up. Like he, he, he, he played onto the element of for sure. But I think both Crawford and Andrew Ward kind of suffer the same fate in it. They're not big talkers. They're not mouthy. And they didn't have peers that were good enough to bring it out of them. Roy Jones was well to a degree, like, you know, that way when you talk about the great errors and of the glamour divisions. There's always been four or five main players that stayed around for the bonds of 10 years. Do you know what I mean? And like when it came to Crawford time to Andrew Ward's time, they just didn't have the court. You know, it wasn't a good shot. Yeah, it was a good shot, Rob. Yeah, another one. You never, you never, maybe it was too switched on. Maybe it was too astute. My blood. You just couldn't get like, he was great fighter. Probably the bass power fighter at the time when he was in this board, but just couldn't, like, people don't want to, and we don't want to get excited about about this fight. It's like the same way to do, you know, boxing is a fucking, it's a business at the end of the day, and it's a show business. So that's kind of what we have to understand, I guess, about the face. And so, sorry, Rob, sorry, sorry, Mattie, you're right. Not only have you got that sort of, not only personality-wise, or have you ever got to prepare to haul yourself out and go on all the shows and have arguments online and have arguments with, you know, uh, announces and commentators, and we see all Florida, all those things, and Muhammad Ali, all those things, and Mike Tyson, all those things. But you've also got to, you've got to have a natural rival, haven't you? And you're right. We've not seen a natural rival with Andre Ward. We never see, we never see a natural rival with Roy Jones to a degree. We never see a natural rival with Bud quite yet. We've never seen someone take them the way Hagelin took herms or the way Jeran took Leonard. We've not seen that in them fires, so maybe that's not helped to me though. Well, yeah, that was kind of the trouble with Floyd is that like all that he ultimately had was Pacquiao at the end of the day. It's like, it's not to say the fighters he beat were not good because they think that kind of denigrates what he did in the ring, but there was only that one fight that people thought might have been interesting. And then everybody waited that long for a 12 round decision. And I think that kind of disappointed folks a little bit. It's funny because we have, we have like a recency bias or whatever sometimes, but you talk about, like, I remember clearly, clearly, clearly remember the boxing journalists, the boxing commentators. He didn't have a rival, like he beat his only fucking clear kind of problem at 68, James Tony beat him out of size, really without breaking sweat with one hand and then beat everybody. Hopkins was too green for him at 60. Yeah, kind of at the right time, maybe, but I still thinking the best version of Roy would have been the best version of be hop, I think, always. And I think, you know, he had to go to fucking heavyweight to get himself some motivation because Jones was saying himself even at 75, like, I'm not really motivated by beating these guys. It was too easy for him, like he's coefficient for six months and that, like he wasn't, and they used to say like he doesn't want to do the price. He doesn't want to fucking turn up to the event, to the price conferences and do all that. He just wants to go fishing there and if he depends on color, like, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't help himself. Like, when I think of that back, like, you imagine at these days, like somebody jumping from 75 to take a heavyweight, take a fight on a heavyweight, like, and people be not that surprised when he wins by shutouts. You know, I always say that, like, I don't, I'm going to go on a lot of times in here, which happens sometimes on the public. I always say, if he had a retired at 34, he was 34, I think, really far, generally, he would have been 49 and one with the only only one being the Montana Griffin disqualification. There'd been no discussion these days about who was the best ever. Sorry, mate. Also, Rob, to add to that, Roy Jones's career, all but the end of light heavy and his John Ruiz fight. There was a sort of network blackout, wasn't it? We didn't get it over here. And it was pre-internet as well. So there was an awful lot of people that never saw the Roy Jones career, particularly his peak. And, unfortunately, Amanda, you talked about a good time in the conversation for a bad time for him to leave. Like, and it's if there's anything in that's a whole in Roy's resume. I think that that whole in Roy's resume is that he didn't fight any of the really great British fighters at 168 until he fought Calzoggy when he was already over there. But they didn't fucking want to fucking know. I can see Roy Jones. You're fucking kidding me. Collins, I think, was the one that he could have had. I think Steve, I think that one could have happened. Collins is provided so we'll allow you that one. But he's, no, he would have beaten fucking baby. And you, by God, the same baby, you fucking kidding me. Definitely. That's high phrase. That's high phrase. No, no, no, no, no, I always say this, Mattie. We saw Michael Watson's school Nigel Ben. Then we saw Mike McCallum's school, Michael Watson. And that made every British promoter and British middleweight say, okay, leave them over here and we'll stay over here. And that's how it stayed. So the Roy Jones is, and the James Tony's, and the Michael Nuns. I wouldn't have gone nowhere near that law. At the time, the boys were passing around the WB all title. That was the wee British organization. Warren's function organization. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah. I mean, I'm still, a conversation, a pod to be had, is how that fantastic for fantastic five Americans, and Chuck and Mike McCallum in that, never caught light the way it should have done. And I were too gifted, maybe I were too clever, maybe I was too skilled to get involved, like to say the haggler, the herd, the giraffe, the limit. But that group of American middle to supermiddles was exceptional. Here's a nice fight for you, when it's not really that least, but like I might have mentioned it before, but the two fights between Mike McCallum and James Tony, absolutely fucking quality by the way. I don't know if I can take those two out on the lead book. And then some we never really talk of in that group, brilliant fight with Julian Jackson, outstanding fight. Ooh, the hawk. Yeah, brilliant fighter. Made her a Graham Follum is only taking a cray for that one. Yeah, he was kind of a highlight role, wasn't he? Price for him and McCallum. Oh my God. Imagine him two being around today. Well, okay, it had to be pretty good body, wouldn't it? Yeah. Yeah, there's the one that got away actually McCallum and Jones. You spread the spine for the two in my mind, maybe that would have been a good contest. Well, and it's been a long time since I've watched the fight with Ben, you know, obviously for obvious reasons. It gets a little tough to watch, but isn't there a fair argument that that fight should have been called off in the first? I always thought that I thought that kind was a bit like, I think if they say on a technicality that they get more timed on, they want to go out of the ring. So they ended up taking 20 seconds to get back in. So it's not, but I thought watching it live in the moment, I thought, fuck me, they should stop this. Like, because McCallum was tight. Nobody wanted them and it would be within a couple of seconds. Ben is out through the fucking ring. I don't think anybody saw a way back from it. They'll tell you what it shows you what he was made of. It's hard for me to watch back fights where somebody got damaged in the end of him. It's very difficult. And not a way with McCallum. That fight, he got away with a lot. And McCallum got seriously damaged. Very few boxes get that seriously damaged in a fight before they die. He's really suffered, Gerald McCallum. And it was a tragic, it was an absolutely tragic fight, awful fight. And he's saying, I'll definitely watch it back. I've never watched it back, to be honest. There you go. Thomas Newman says, Darius Michael Juski was the guy. And that's another name that's been thrown around that might have been able to provide Jones a fight. He didn't want to go on the road after that. That was the one he was welcome to. They were both all champion at the same time and they just couldn't agree terms. Could they, Roy won't come over to Germany and he won't come over to, to Peniscot or whatever it was, would he? The two would never meet. That was the one made wasteful. But having looked at Darius and having watched him a few times, I think Jones would have made bread and butter with it. Yeah, he's the guy I haven't watched a whole lot on. I think what the only other guy who was kind of floating around there, he got it. Wasn't there one more that was floating around from that part of the world with a pretty flashy record at the time? Maybe it was Spenotka. So maybe it wasn't. Yeah, like you saw what he would have done to fucking, to a guy called Spenotka or Wieckowski or whatever the fuck he's called. No, I know what you're saying. I just think he wouldn't go on the road after the, the soul that it bicks where he got out. He wouldn't. He wouldn't. And Rob, he, he, he was in Peniscola. He had, he had method man and red man walking him out. He was in absolute millions upon millions of past. Yeah. Why wouldn't he go to Germany? Why wouldn't he go to Germany? It wasn't. Yeah, of course. Exactly. The best guy, the best player in the sport is going to go to fucking Germany. The best power for power fire. We've probably the best highlight reel of all time. Why did he go on the road? Yeah. Yeah, that, that's definitely an A site situation right there. But it, yeah, it's, it's funny. We, we've ended up here. It's actually, I'm actually thinking now, I forgot about it actually that it happened. But when I got married, the day I got married, I came on the pod because it was the first night of Anthony Joshua. And who's thinking? I came on the pod for a couple of seconds and we fucking sued everything in the camera. But, uh, showed up in, uh, from boxing social, he had got a box of news. And he, he got me a, I shared out from Roy Jones on the day I got married. He's like, best of luck with your way. My brother. I wish he was after, I was, he after interview with Johnson where he said it to me on the day. I was having some crack while it was brilliant. Unbelievable. And Mattie, while, while we're talking about Roy Jones and as the Olympics is coming to an end. Something I've always thought. Back in A.T.A. in that Roy Jones final, we got, he got, he never got a decision against Park See hung. Can you think of, I mean, it was a robbery. It was, it's been proven it was corrupt. It was bent. We've got it all on camera. And it's not, it's not a person in the world that doesn't see it going for Roy Jones. And has there ever been in a history of the Olympic Games, a gold medalist who just can't celebrate that gold medal? Who can't talk about his win? Who can't go to after dinner events? Who can't do public speaking? Who can't walk around schools, colleges, institutions who can't be lauded in the sport? Has there ever been an Olympic champion? Who's won a gold medal, who just couldn't get it out of the box? More so than Park See hung. God, I can't, I, you know, I don't know enough about amateur boxing to think that I might have even... In any sport? In any sport? Like, when they broke away... It was the most chosen medal in history, wasn't it? It's the most tiny, like, you didn't just rob Roy of a gold. You robbed Park See hung of a really good silver. Yeah, because he even got Jones and lifted him up after the fucking... You know, it's like... That wouldn't have gone down well. Actually, there was a bit of that going on because pretty well... Who's the U.S.? Head coach now, he's from Maitown, and he box for Ireland in the Olympics in '88. And he lost... he came to a similar fate in the qualifying rounds against the Korean, where he got a little nick on the eye and he stopped the fucking fight straight away because he had beaten the guy previously, knocked him out. And he was winning the first round of everything, holding the nick. And that was it. It was quite over, so it's the Olympics, and it happens over and over. And at the moment, the Olympics are making a seven-joke anyways, and it's not what it used to be like. It's not the fighters that come out of there knocking and getting the same kind of... Hit its apex in the '80s, I think, with the '84 and '88 Olympic teams. They're not really like... U.S. '84 and '88 Olympic teams. Some of the greatest fighters that we ever saw. Well, and now... Boxing might not be in the 20-28 games, and it's like this year they just wanted to prove the point. It's like everybody's arguing about boxing for all the wrong fucking reasons. Congratulations on your gold medal, though, Manny Khalifa. Congratulations, young lady. That's talking about icing on the fucking cake of this week for everything it was, my lord, what a week. But man, that was a great conversation. Let me just jump in just on what does this thing. Not in the same sort of way, because I don't think it's anywhere near, but just on similar sort of lines in the way that Kevin Barry won silver by being a van de Holyfield. And it was, I think, he won by discolification against... Yeah. And it was like a... what was he? Hit him after the bell, or after the break. Hit him on the bell, yeah. They were doing it on the break. '84, wasn't it? Yeah. And that was in LA. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a very seamless situation, yeah. And a Holyfield come back to hero. Mm-hmm. Well, it happens that way, like, too. And funny enough, go to his home state of Georgia in the Atlanta games. I mean, Floyd Mayweather got robbed in his match there, too. Yeah. Yeah. It was the bronze, wasn't it? Yeah. It was the bronze against the Bulgarian or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, boxing amateur professional. It's just not always on the up and up. But, Joe, thanks for a great question there, man. That led us down a hell of a trail there. But nobody has anything else. I think that's all I got this week. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. What did I miss something? We're talking about American arrogance, weren't we? Right? Oh, okay. You've forgotten Denzel Bentley is out this weekend. Is he? I didn't even see that on box wreck, actually. Yeah. If let me just double check it on my end, but I'm pretty sure he's out. I mean, Rob jumped back on the call just to talk about Denzel Bentley as well. So we'll definitely hand over to Rob. I'm just kidding. But yeah, I'm pretty sure it's this weekend Denzel Bentley. I think he's fighting at your calls. Yeah. Oh, yeah. August 17th. So, yeah, Bentley back in action. Not too much to go over the card. The card isn't exactly like, I mean, it's another essentially next gen card. Good bit of talent on there. Little bit matchmaking is a little bit questionable for Joshua Frankam. I just wanted to pick up on it, although it's not like, you know, a fight that's going to get much highlighted. But to go off and be in George Davey when it was a bit of a prospect versus a prospect of fighting, then putting him in with Artem Spater, who was, I believe, one of the fights for that Owen Lavin fella, who's Steve Hyler has been really young looking on his box wreck. I think you guys had a laugh about him a while back. Yeah. But to stick him in with Spater now is real odd matchmaking unless Frankam has some sort of injury. Alloys Jumbi, we're like the look of Alloys who's in the Ben Davis and set up. I'm not sure if it's Ben Davis specifically or Barry who coaches him, but he's within that camp and team. And he impressed me when he jumped in really early notice in his debut against Michael Szezinski. I think that was at your call as one. He was like blowing after the first round, but putting a real spirit of death. It wasn't afraid to lose his, oh, the first juncture. He was still very raw. And of course Bentley, I'll go straight to him, who, look, he's matched up against Ocrasarza. He's a good fighter in his own right, but I think Bentley's, it's probably going to be a points win for Denzel Bentley. It'd be a good little fight, but I see Bentley come in being clear, a winner in that fight and a competitive enough fight though. I come off the back of a knockout victory over Danny Dignon, who must be really kind of wondering where he stands after a career, which is kind of seen go into the position against Alan Canulli to then get knocked out by Alan Canulli. And then when he's back in with any sort of real operator or challenge outside of a couple of fights with like sort of Grant Dennis and someone like a Sorok in like, you just don't know where Danny Dignon, whether he wants to continue and not offer the back of that. But anyway, Bentley, WBO International Middleweight title, I presume that means they're looking for that Yannabic rematch, whether they might look to set up after this victory. He gets, as I imagine so against Derek O'Sarza, a Heaney rematch, although I think Heaney's locked in with Brad Pauls again for the third time. Well, not locked in, sorry, but Pauls is happy to take the third fight. It was two good fights, and they could put that on the undercard or a co-main or even go to Stoke or back to Birmingham because Heaney sells tickets in that area. But, you know, Bentley's got options as well as potentially someone like Hamza Shiraz or maybe looking to go for European against Tyler Denny, which would be a real good fight. But yeah, Denza Bentley back out in action, who's a real good fighter in his own right. I just want to highlight that he's one to watch this weekend. All right, and where's that going to be available for anyone who wants to catch it? It should be on TNT sports. All right, fantastic. So yeah, we got that. It's not a big weekend. And of course, there was the cancellation of Regis Progré and Jack Caderall, or actually the postponement that's moved into October. So we're going to go through a little bit of a dead space here. The next fight I think that's of any interest really for us after this is going to probably get us into early September with Dohaney making the journey to take on Inouye. God help his soul. But other than that, it's a pretty slow time. I hope he's getting a few quid for that. That's what I say about that. We're back in the Dohaney win. Oh, my fuck. He fucking kicked me. If he gets out of the third round, he'll be doing well for himself. Oh, that's what I'm saying. I hope he lands on a big bag of cash because we got the sleep. Dohaney's been making mints me in the Japanese fires, though, Rob. Fuckin' nice one. Imagine. How big of a win would that be, Rob? Would you be celebrating in the streets for that one? I was going to say, what is that right at either sporting achievements? Well, after the fight, he'll be the fucking, he'll be the man. But unfortunately for TJ Dohaney, he started his pro career in Australia because for some reason they had to stop having pro fights in Ireland. So him and like a couple of others had to go down under to start their pro careers. Oh, Foggie, if TJ Dohaney, for example, the flag he owned here in is in my town tonight. Actually, it's the traditional Irish music festival. There's about 100,000 people in the town. And if TJ Dohaney was to walk down there, I'm not a single fucking person to recognize him because he's not holding out in the talk, unfortunately. So I don't think it'd be celebrated, but in terms of upsets, like it's up there with fucking Buster Douglas, Mike Tyson, isn't it TJ Dohaney? He just turned up over in Japan, didn't he? I thought that good lost to Connor. I was there. I was there. By the way, the last one, wasn't it? The left took it immediately. Yeah. Fucking an absolutely fucking close line. But yeah, I can't see that happening. I just hope he comes out of it with his faculties intact. And like I said, I hope he labs on a bag of cash because he's got a desire to get in the ring with the monster like Foggie. Yeah, he's done really well to foster this opportunity because of a lack of losses to Sam Goodman. And I was there for Connor. And he, for me, from what I can remember really put the first little dent into Michael Connor where he kind of gave him the first bit of stiff legs. I think it was like the round round. It's only for a moment. But he put that first little dent there in Connor. He's a credible guy. He's definitely a credible guy. TJ Dohaney, he has his attributes. He's won a world title. I had a brief period. I think he had many won defense and last but that's not nothing. And I think he came to the pro game late as well from an early start and a late start rather in Australia. So yeah, like you said, put himself in a great position. I think TJ Dohaney is undefeated to Japanese bias. He's the, he's the, what did he use to call years ago? The fucking, who was the Irish fighter that used to be? I fucking got off on his hands in anyway. We got to call him the Adam bomb. Oh, Jesus Christ. We're on a good little chat there, mate. You have to come in. Yeah, I do. I do what I have to do. But we will definitely get a chance to talk about this fight when we decide what date we're going to do it on. But, and we've had some good chats today. I really appreciated that question from Joe Burns. And I really appreciated everybody for coming on and joining us today. Rob unexpectedly hopping on. Hopefully we'll see Andy next time around. I think does for coming on. And we also appreciate. Aiman Khan for coming on, make sure you check out his work at seconds out. And if there's nothing more, gentlemen, I think I'm going to call it a night. And to let everyone know, we are going to move the value of the week to its own stand alone show, probably starting next week. Do a little thing in the middle of the week. So check that out. I think we're just getting old in the days of the years of three, three hour marathons have just gotten to us at this point in time. But I appreciate everybody for coming on this week. Rob, again, unexpected, but always appreciated. I've been your host, Matt D. John Ardo. And until next week, you folks take care and we will see you next Sunday. We'll never forget. No, we just forgot me. No, two hundred bills. We want to be honest, yeah. I'm crying like a little bitch. I'm not going to admit I fucking feel like I can feed you. I feel the sleep, I feel the sleep. You're a fucking bomb, you're a fucking asshole. Room for fucking stealth, kid. But allegedly, Oscar Reebas has filled, has filled a test. Seven year ain't. Seven year ain't. I don't fucking smile, fucking you. I hope you fucking die. 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