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But that wasn't before he had touched Canvas himself in the 5th round, and in a fight that he had mostly controlled putting Astrada on his butt, but there were some fierce exchanges Astrada showed that he still got something there. He doesn't go down easy, but Andy, despite his calls that he is going to go for the rematch clause, I just think that he has run into a guy who isn't even at his best yet, and he's doing this. Bamrod Regus, and he is the legend killer. It's looking that way, and he's got one in go as well. Yeah, it was impressive. I was just thinking that actually during that fight, anybody apart from the world, Regus, and I know Astrada has been out for two years, but I think there's been a way where we can pile up our engines, not everybody's clear, but I still think, outside the world, Regus, I think Astrada would have been competitive, but anybody else not around there last night, then he's obviously he's foot with Regus, and he's just seen the guy get old, basically right over the course of that fight. He had the exchanges, he had his moments, but at the same time, even though he had Regus down, he didn't seem to be hurt. I need to go back and look at the knockdown again for Regus, because I need to see if he'd be stepped in the punch or stepped across it, maybe it was all balanced, because he got up pretty quick, didn't seem to be hurt around for us, and he turned up the heat after he got dropped. Oh, I don't think he was hurt. I think Astrada just doubled up the jab, made him go straight back, and followed him with the right. It's just veteran, absolute veteran move. One of the key things was, as I said, where Strada had been having his moments, I just don't think he was having the absolute final word on some of those exchanges. I think Rodriguez hurt him, or set the stand on early in the first round, and then third round again, obviously he got dropped on the fourth. There was instances where Rodriguez is a let-up of cuts to the body, and then switching it upstairs was fantastic, because he was in this teen walkway, like, ones and twos, you know, upstairs, he was catching Astrada with his hands, basically, like, defenseless, really. Some of the footwork was incredible. I remember he stepped across to Strada at one point, and I'm sure he was the right hooker, right, upper cut at one point, and I said, "It's just like the one getting dropped. It just seems like switching up another gear, and he says, "Okay, I don't know if it was like, give me too much respect," or whatever it was, but he just seemed to write, "Okay, take me turn it up," and he did. The body shot, the ending that actually is, he actually landed that same shot early in the seventh round, and I think Strada obviously felt it, and then obviously the last two left shots he took to the body, and that was obviously was just brutal. Nobody does it to Strada, or has done it to Strada, sorry. So, yeah, it's an impressive feat, actually, because it's, people can say, "Well, they won't always be at the rink for two years, and I had to buy the blow, but at the same time, it's the man on how you go about it at the end of the day," and he went and put that where I flew in there last night. That was close to a beat down as you can get at that level. It was something else. It really was, and to think, what is it, 23, 24, there's even 24, 24 talking about like, obviously trying to get my pin weight, there's no rush, obviously, and that, but yeah, it's going to be like, anybody else, he fights going forward, obviously, it's going to be downwards, basically, it's not downwards, it's not going to be good enough for some people, because obviously he's beat these legends, and he's beating them in pressure fashion, unless he's doing that all the time, they're going forward, people are going to be disappointed, you know, and he is going to have nights, but he's going to have off nights, I mean, if you look back to his fight against the Gonzalez, I mean Christian Gonzalez, and this is your Gonzalez, 12 round decisions, you know, there were wide wins, and there were easy wins, but you think, okay, he's fighting a level opponent below him, but then we're going to upset against Edwards, against Estrada, against Quadrass, against the Rungwesai, he just showed you what a special talent is, and Rodriguez and Teofivo have some, definitely have some similarities when it comes to rising to the occasion. Yeah, one thing, one thing I noticed as well was between some of the interviews I've noticed where Rodriguez is possibly, maybe considering maybe how he can have blows up and wait a bit, I think he kind of looks a bit kind of around the bit of the face, so hopefully, I don't want to issue going forward, but yeah, man, the guy has got it all, he has really got it all if it worked, the timing, the movement, the punch placement, the power, he's got it all made, and I say he's okay, he got dropped, that happens, this is the elite level of the sport, a lot of harms, you know, so he got up and dealt with like a boss, and that's all you can ask. Yeah, it's, you got knocked down by Juan Francisco Estrada, what'd he do, you know, I mean, he's one of the, one of the finest fighters of his generation, and he might be at the end of it, but I don't think he was entirely past it, does this was a hell of a performance, and you're going to go total boxing nerd here, I got to say, at this point in time in boxing, Rodriguez has got to be top five best feet in the sport. Yeah, and possibly top five boxers, known how to fight in the pocket. Bam, Bam can stay with you and Bam can go with you, he's got really good ring like Q, he's got fantastic movement and I can't really top what Andy said because he nailed it there and he gave Bam and Estrada all the products they deserve. Let's talk about Estrada for a moment and let's give him the respect he is due because he's a two-weight world champion, and this is a guy that's beating everybody that's ever beaten him, so he went in there knowing no one's ever probably beaten me and got away with it. Bam probably beat him last night, and we're talking about Estrada, the legend killer, who's probably beating one of the best smaller weight fighters of my generation. Estrada was live and he fought like a live opponent last night, but Bam was just so good, Bam's got a brilliant IQ, he's got fantastic punch variation, he works really well in the pocket and he's so effective as a Southport. He's heavy-handed, yes, but he has brilliant technical ability, so he throws his punches so correct and that has to add a bit more spite to his shots. Really the things I love to see. Bam got to Estrada in round six, Estrada got to Bam in what was very a cronk like right-hand, he threw it from the back of the hall and he caught Bam right at the end of his shot and Bam went over and he got up smiling and shaking his head and Bam got to him in the next round and put it to Kip. Bam's one of them guys, he can hurt you with his left-hand, his right-hand and now we know he can hurt you to the body. I'm a big fan of Rodriguez, I go back to the last fight with Sonny Edwards. I always thought Bam would beat Sonny, but I thought Sonny would fiddle him around, he couldn't fiddle Bam around. Bam dismantled Sonny and gave him a really good hiding and I know how awkward Sonny Edwards is. The last two fights have really confirmed to me cemented Bam's place in top 10 pound for pound boxers and correct best feet and best pocket know-how, top five in boxing at the moment. He's definitely a special fighter and those pound-for-pound credentials are starting to become more and more apparent in that body shot that he finished off with. He just whipped that thing in there. That hurt my organs, just watching that. Astrada, as tough as they come, tried to get up. He just couldn't at the end of the day. I agree with Andy, I don't want to rush Bam because he's at a lovely age and if we're going to keep him, if he's a superflyer, I hope he can keep his weight in check because this kid's got it and he's in the right part of America. He's got a great cultural attachment. He fights really well. I'd love to see him stay at a superflyer. Almost be the new weight of the superfly division and let's not force him or rush him just yet and I hope Bam can keep his weight stable because we're looking at something very special here at his weight class. I wonder what it is above. They already mentioned him going up to 122 to fight Inouye and they're just kind of in passing. Andy first has to get through an Astrada rematch first. Do you see it going any differently than this one? I just feel like Bam is too young, too strong with too many skills. It's kind of like when he fought Chocolateito for the first time and it's just what separated him was just that little bit of footwork but that was 10-12 years ago. You're talking a guy with this foot speed of movement. That's rough on mid 30s legs. It's tough to say it going a different way. Yeah, another thing as well is you would probably say, even what is in Astrada, mid 30s, late 30s, you'd probably say 35. It's got to be 34 or 35. Yeah, I mean he's obviously he's fighting out a bigger kid as well by the end of the day and he's only going to get bigger. You know, this is a thing and you're saying he's powerful, fresh, hungry. There's always so long you can actually go to the wherelights. So, Astrada has had a long career. Name has some tough fights himself. He's had a lot injuries in that as well. You're talking about a new way, I know he's been mentioned but I think Rodriguez is looking at the winner next Sunday's fight against the Martinez and Ioka I think it was. But just on the other side, I noticed during the week, I don't know if I need to follow up and see if this is actually happening. Roman Gonzalez is meant to be fighting in Nicaragua, I'm sure in the 12th of July. So, I need to see if he's actually going the opponent or anything like that. But, I mean, wouldn't he see it? I mean, obviously, you're asking a bit of Strada. I mean, at this point, to a young family who has made his money, does he really want to go in there, you know, again? I don't see it changing much to be fair. I thought as Rodriguez with the winner, obviously, but I did think it with the win, the distance and the problem is with those scorecards. So, just to come back to it, you look at that fight on box, Rick, for example, you're looking at it, you're saying, well, it's a close competitive fight. Nana, that was, as I said, that was a beatdown, and the judge had the first three rounds going to go to Strada. I didn't even catch that. Oh, my dude, there's been instances when I've been at ringside for fights, for example, I've been close to the ring and you're seeing fight, a competitive fight, you're saying, I don't know, that's a close round. You know, and you can maybe, like, your scorecard could be off because you've seen it, definitely, you've only got that with you at ringside. You haven't got the TV, you haven't got the different angles, when the fights go on, they actually see what's actually happening, but there was none of that. Okay, there was moments that says in that fight where as I tried to hit his moments when he was landing shots, but Rodriguez was having the final answer in most of those exchanges. Bar and that knockdown, I think, at least, that was close to an absolute shout. Bar and that knockdown, for me, for Rodriguez. So, I just don't know what that, that the judges talking about, or sorry, watching, sorry, another one is going to throw. I mean, come on, seriously even bad as well, but the guy I had, I swear that up, winning this, oh, it's just that, that, don't invite him back. Oh, he'll get a nomination later then, keep that name in your back pocket, Andy. Anyway, Gonzalez is going to be fighting a Robert Barrera at Phantomweight on the 12th in Nicaragua. So if he comes through that, and I, I don't know, how much interest do you have in that fight does say chocolate Tito looks good. We'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Let's say he looks good, he looks sharp, maybe even takes this guy out at a weight class, really a five foot three guy who has no business being at at the end of the day. Do you think that that bam against chocolate Tito, does that still have some intrigue in your mind? Not for me, no, not for me. I think look, Gonzalez has got to get, I think he's on the 12th of July's boxing. So I don't know if that's next week or the week after. So, Gonzalez has got to get through that and Robert Barrera has been brought in to bring Gonzalez back, but there's no guarantees. And we don't quite know what Roman has got left here. So, I don't want to see that and I certainly don't want to see a legend, one of the, one of the best little guys of the last 20 years going in against an absolute, a guy that can slaughter you. Much like I don't want to see Loma Cenco when we tank. I know that's not the ending I want for Gonzalez. So I know I've got no interest in that fight. You asked Andy the question, what does Australia do next time we ban? I don't think anything Australia can do with Bam. Last night, very quickly, Australia became the counter punter in that fight. And he was, he was trying to catch and throw and catch Bam out. The problem is Bam's got such a good IQ, he's so accurate. And as I said before, he's really comfortable in the pocket. I mean, I mean, Australia and Gonzalez have traded leather before, but I've never seen him touched that easily. The other thing is Australia looked like he was doing everything to remain competitive in that fight. Correct. Yeah, he was. And that's what I've got from Andy. Very, very quickly, Australia become the counter puncher. Now, this is a, this is an elite Hall of Fame fighter. And he is sort of from Mexico. And he sort of found himself in a place where I've got to work in gaps here. And it was uncomfortable to watch at times because Bam was so dominant. I agree, the judging, the judging was all for and the cards were terrible. I'm not quite sure a strata at this stage in its career, because that's got a, that's got a part to play as well. You know, when, when a strata caught Gonzalez and when Bam's caught a strata, it all goes, it all plays its part in a better change of boxing. I don't think a strata could do anything with Bam if they fought again, to be honest, Mattie. Yeah, I get that feeling too. And it's, I am a fan of both guys. I was, I've always liked a strata. For me, I kind of felt his style was, was very Marquez-esque. And if there's one little question I've had in my mind about a strata, saying what if, I wonder what if he had been trained by Nacho Barristane, because he has so much of that Romansa Jim style about him. I just kind of wish he'd gone over there and polished it. Do you guys feel that at all? Any, any thoughts on that, what he would have been like under, send your better stain? This episode is brought to you by our good friends at NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. I'm sure by now you've all gotten back into your Sunday routines, but they could be even better. With NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV, you get the most live NFL games all in one place, every game, every Sunday. And you can even watch up to four different games at once with Multi-View, one of my favorite inventions of this decade. It's exactly what you need to catch all the action make your Sundays more magical. And also, YouTube TV is great. I got it this year. It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com/bs device and content restrictions apply local and national games on YouTube TV and a false Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games. It's a great bit of knowledge, Matt, you know, I'm glad, you know, I'm impressed if you pick that one out. Oh, the way he throws that right hand. It's so fucking Marquez-esque. I mean, my God. Yeah. And, and, and, and Natcha, I was not going to make you a worse fighter. Did you know the reason why it wasn't with Natcha? I think, I think he was from a different part of Mexico. I think it might have just been a geography thing. And the one thing I'll say about the Mexican people for sure is they're incredibly loyal. So they don't hop trainers a whole lot, you know? Yeah, I understand that. Now, I don't think Natcha is going to hurt you. And, but again, I mean, maybe we're trying to, we're trying to reinvent the wheel. Estrada's had a career and a good career. He's, I mean, you said it on his intro. He's a Hall of Fame fighter, first ballot. He's a two-weight world champion. This is a guy that's beating everyone that's beating him. He's got the Lennox Lewis's about him. He doesn't go away. But last night, again, it's the bat and change of boxing. I just think he's caught Bam at the very wrong time to catch a Bam Rodriguez. Rodriguez. Bam is a very good fighter who does so many things really, really well. He's going to catch a lot of people out, Bam. He's, is that good? Yeah, and I'm just, I'm curious where his ceiling is, who he might run into that, that gives him a real fight. I think him against the winner of Ioka Martinez is a fantastic fight, either way. It'd be interesting to see it be Ioka, because that is people who really follow the lighter weight classes. That guy is, is another legend that, that still flies today. Is that the Japanese kid as a world champion? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, he won, he won titles at 105, 108, 112, and 115. He's, he's fan. Or maybe he's a current, he's a current world champion as superfly, though, isn't he? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's got the belt. Yeah. And that's a good fight. I like the Martinez fight because I think the chemistry between them to be brilliant. I think, I think they're, they're, they're, they're the fights we want to see from Bam. And if we can keep him at superfly, I think we're, we're preserving Bam's greatness for a bit longer as well. Yeah. And it's, you know, and if he does want to move up over the next 12 to 18 months, you know, there is a path. Um, the one, the, uh, well, actually, and he did the, the, the other annoying brother, Lewis's title this week. Takami Takumi. Yeah. Or was he just in a close fight? I'm trying. No, he won that. He won that. He was named WBA jumping in there. Yeah. I think you're right. It was really well made, but he got put over very early in his, his best performance. He got off the floor and put on his best. There you go. That's the app. Yep. Yep. He got dropped. That's right. And then he came back very well. So yeah, there was, there's a path I was going to make on that fight. I was going to mention this, but I mean, obviously, if you look at Australia's last, was it two or three fights? He's been way hoping a wee bit. Superfly fly back to superfly. Um, obviously he's got the belt. I don't know if he's stuck with the belt. It's a flyweight, actually. Remember, the Sony Edwards ones, one of his IBF belts. I don't know if he's stuck with a little bit. I think he did. I think he ditched those Rodriguez. I'm sorry. He's probably going to campaign there at 1.15 then, you know, but obviously the calls are going to call and they'll be able to just look. I'm just trying to kind of pull up the ranks here, just trying them side to side here, 1.15. There's no really much in term. Obviously, you've got Gonzalez, you could probably say his day best is a behind him. David Jimenez for Costa Rica. Good. I looked, I looked at him and as yeah, I looked at him as I think that would be a good fight from as well. So he's a good cougar of one short eye, but he's a fight of wins as well. I think he probably gets to him late or definitely wins a decision definitely. But Jimenez, he's got enough of a belt and ticket. I'm going to be asked a couple of rounds about impossible. It's a worthy fight, at least for, you know, for something you want to win. That's a win 18. That's a fucking monster. Yeah, dude, by the way. Yeah, Nakatani is going to be fighting in a few weeks. I think I think he's on the schedule for like the twenty first or something like that. I think if you're going to keep the Rodriguez bandwagon going and keep him in Arizona, I think the cultural chemistry between Jimenez or Julio Cesar Martinez, I think that really works. I think they're two really good fighters. Martinez has been banned. Oh, what ban from America? No, he's been banned. He's been banned for boxing. He's a paid circuit. So yeah, Nakatani is fighting Vincent Osterlavio who that's actually a decent fight. And that's going to be on the 20th from Tokyo. But yeah, that'll be an interesting one. But you're speaking of sunny Edwards. I got it again. He got a nine month ban from Nevada. So I'm assuming he's been banned in Nevada. Doesn't he mean he's been banned for America possible? Yeah, I mean, they're good at getting ran out on a restate thing. I mean, Mattia talked more about that, but they're pretty good at transferring bans between one state and another state. Yeah, and it's nine months. It's a fucking meaning. Yeah, but he's got changed on local contest as well. He's diuretics, possible masking agents. So that says a lot. I think that fight fucked up one of my parlays. Say draft Kings, pay me. Did you ever hear that? Andro will story told about Martinez, where we had, yeah, right. So he's in Mexico. He has a, he has a fight in a bar and he puts the guy in the hospital. So he gets arrested, arrested, he goes to jail, has a fighting gel, puts the guy in the infirmary, gets out of jail, has a professional fight and wins that. Andro will say he went free knowing one week. Might have been a literal cab driver in there somewhere. You mentioned sunny Edwards earlier, I guess that's a decent enough segue here. Edwards, I'll tell you what, guys, I watched a debate. We're not going to get into it, but I've seen a lot of lying in the last handful of days and sunny Edwards and his claims that he wanted to fight on through that cut. I, that's about as much bullshit as anything else that I've heard. Andy, he was just that cut. It was, it was dripping into the eye. I don't know. I kind of thought they gave him an easy way out. And I kind of thought he was starting to huff and puff a little bit there. I thought Coriel might have had a little bit for him there towards the end. To be fair, it only highlights to this. If you've seen it on Edwards fight, you know how it goes, usually. Yeah, it was a bit, it was a horrendous cut, actually. I think the way it kind of comes down, it didn't look like it kind of comes down past the island and that as well. So yeah, it was a horrible cut to be fair. So yeah, he was wondering if I'd come to play for what else he needed to be fair, mate. Got to take some time out, but I think we've got to be realistic in that as well. We saw that he's remained at a wait for a long period of time doing terms of like being in a fly. I think it depletes him a little bit. I mean, you're saying that he was kind of huffing the puff on me, but possibly didn't have done it the way. It doesn't really always look great trying to make that way in that as well. So that cut is going to set him back a fair period. I would think that is a horrible one. Yeah, it's going to take him stitches. Yeah, it's also going to take a bit of healing in that as well. And you just don't know how the scar tissue is going to hold up after that as well. Because as I said, that's coming from just part of the forehead, doing part over the eyebrow and underneath it a little bit, I'm sure. So it's bad. I think as as well, we'll just talk about the other thing about the huge gaps in class. Edwards just showed it really. I mean, when he's fighting guys like that, he does what he wants really. So yeah, let me move on for that one. I'm assuming he's talking about gal you're fine, possibly. So the thing is, as I think you might have cut a little bit more of the action, Andy, I thought that Edwards, I mean, he won the first six, seven rounds probably very cleanly looked very good doing it. He was show boating a little bit, absolutely sharp, you know, it was classy boxing, for sure. But Korea all started started to come on and he was definitely finding himself down the stretch. He probably would have needed the stoppage in order to get out of there. But you know, Edwards, again, you know, he's been at that wait for a while and come to find out he, as he's smoking cigarettes as an appetite suppressant. You know, I think that kind of really kind of saved his ass because I saw a very noticeable shift in the in the rat in the last couple of rounds of that fight. There was a change in the tide, but I think I think there's an awful lot of variables here. I think Sonny had won the first half. I think Curio had then decided to press Sonny and have all the fighters in the world. Sonny's the guy you can press because he's absolutely not a puncher. No disrespect to him. He's got other skill. He's got other skill sets. So I think Curio realized, you know, I'm the home fighter. I'm the one with the links to the crowd. I've got to make something happen here. And also, I think at the same time, that was an awful cut. That was a zip cut. So it was coming. It was absolutely, it was wide open and it was pouring into his eye. That was an ugly headclash to come. Yeah, sure. It was awful. Yeah, it was. And I think the headclash was round six. So Sonny had, you know, was was comfortable up to that point. And it all coincided with Curio thinking, I've got to put my foot down the cup to the eye. Sonny not quite known where this would take, where this would go. I, in terms of the fight itself, I like, I like this sort of fight for a British kid. And it's got a Mickey Duff feel about it. This is what he used to do. He used to send his good fighters out to places in America to get them on good cards against reasonably good opponents where you're in your way dressing room. And you've got, you can't, you can't switch off tonight. And I think if Sonny looks back over over his career in years to come, he'll probably talk about this fire and say, I learned a lot in Arizona on Saturday, because I had to travel, I had to deal, I had to acclimatize, I had to be the away fighter, I went against a kid that he had an attachment to the crowd. And there was a, there was almost like he had to try something the second half of this fire. I've got a bad cut. I dealt with it. To be fair to Sonny, I never once seen complain, I never once seen Jesse to the referee. He did kind of look like he was getting on with it. But I think at that point, when a fight has been that badly cut, I think is a case of, I don't want this to be a blemish on my record. So I think Sonny was probably glad it went to the cards. And the judges had it '90, '82, '88, '84, '87, '85. So they all saw it for Sonny Edwards. And I think that was probably just the right time for Sonny to cut out. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And he definitely got a heavy round of booze from the very pro-Mexican crowd there, for sure. And all of that will make Sonny feel better. It's nice to be the bad guy sometimes. It's nice to get away with one. And I think Andy might know a bit more about the cut. But if it's just, if it somewhere stops above the eyebrow, and it's avoided any soft tissue area around the eye, that could be sewn up. And hopefully, it won't impede Sonny's career, we hope. But I think as he looks back on his career, I think that night in Arizona, Sonny can talk about it and say, "I learned an awful lot." Even there's a five, six, seven-year pro and a former world champion, I learned nuances to boxing last night. Yeah, he might be the better fighter coming out. You know, I always forget that Sonny's not old. He's not even 30 yet. He's just kind of been around for a while, it seems bouncing in the lower weight class. My only issue with Sonny, Matt, he is. And I don't know what Andy thinks. I don't quite know where Sonny goes, because he doesn't punch at fly weight. I mean, he don't punch at light fly. So I think there was definitely a ceiling, because the blueprint was set by a bam, is how you get to Sonny. And I'm not quite sure if he's got much of a ceiling, knowing he's not much of a puncher. And I say that respectfully, because he's a very skillful kid. He's probably with an Olympic gold medal over the four-round. He's kind of the British avant-garde role, I guess, does. Correct. Yeah, that's it. We've said that a few times. Absolutely, mate. Yeah. I think the guy we have five feet pull and make sense at this point, I need to go and change some of the rankings, because I think he could resale his and Rodriguez Jr. and they're still in the top top two. But if they can somehow get your fine, then there was some sort of final aluminaire, or coming into WBC titles, vacant, then one could, I think it will be vacant, actually. So if you can somehow get that wrangle for the vacant belt, it makes sense. Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. And it's bringing you home. It's domestic. It will sell. And that's a worthy card on any card in the country, isn't it? I think that makes a lot of sense as well, Andy. Probably. It's probably a fight you could probably make in London and probably in Birmingham, possibly in that as well. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that fight can make money over there. No problem whatsoever. Joining us now on the call, and at a fairly early time, Mr. Rap and Rob Callie, Rob, we've only been over the stratified and the Edward's fight. So feel free to get your piece in on those, sir. He's only a nail, because he's fucking rich in English one. Oh, yeah. Some kind of even three times. Any five minute man, who'd you go? Ah, they call soon. It's better longer calls for them, you know, when they get knocked there. Well, the Tobler one, man. It's fucking hilarious, though. They do that. They were slaughtering, okay, but they're right. There's obituary, and it's got to be so good for him. But this just does not being good enough. And it's like, it's okay. It's late. It's the wrong breaks anyway. If anybody wonders what the chat is like after we get off the podcast, it's this, just put in rangers and and and Celtic, right? That that's how it all works, right? Well, that's great. Sometimes I if there was ever an Englishman that was born with a shamrock in his hand is Gareth Southgate. Gareth Southgate. There's a few of them have to stay for a lot of time, man. Fuck it. Anyway, fuck's sake. No, I saw it, Rodriguez is stratified. It was a bit of a shed and up until Australia was matching them, obviously, like as well. This is cool, but I think it was like just a a younger, better version. The guy at the absolute peak on a guy, you know, that all's the sport not. And it's probably on the downward spiral leopard. Rodriguez is usually like the technique, he's moving around, he's picking the shots, he whips his fucking body shots in, like a bullwhip. And even when he shipped the shot, I didn't think in, I think it was the sixth round he got dropped there. It didn't look like he was, you know, and days are getting knocked out or anything, but it just goes to show you like you switch off for a second against class operator, one, two down the pipe and you're gone. But I thought like that the way he put the shots together, the selection of apricots, it was just, I actually think the body shot probably saved the strata from a worst stop, he's down the line because he was just fighting them all the time. And he's like the great fighters, like he puts you where he wants with his feet, you know, like they talk about it in football or whatever about left side footballers, like the good players put you where you want it. Like the good fighters put you where you wanted to, like you see it with U-Sick, you see that with a laugh, get over the years, you see different fighters with different styles of footwork, like your Ray Leonard's or Mayweather's and walk you on to something like a lot of this time footwork is understated. And he's like, he's got that kind of U-Sick style, that kind of llama chainco style of getting around and just whipping shots in like and he's heavy handed as well, like it's probably a pity for him that he's a flyweight because if he was about forced on heavier he probably would work four times a morning like because people would be coming out in the droves to see him as it is. The flyweight division is a bit of a niche division in boxing and the little guys never really get the bigger claim, but in terms of ability and excitement fights, Rodriguez is the man to watch it. I didn't see this on the Edwards fight, I saw highlights of Tia Fimo, but I think he has trouble fighting down the levels, doesn't he? Like I think if he's fighting a guy that's a real danger to him, you see the best of them. I haven't even got there yet, Rob, you hold your horses. Well, I have to jump off there for a little while to get back on this way, come on early, so let's get that one off there. Fantastic. Yeah, hopefully we'll get to see a little bit more down the line here that want to get some more on that as some more on that Astroticard and this is, I swear to God, the guy's name on his trunks is Cardenas, but anyways, Arturo Papoca keeps his undefeated record with a majority decision over Danny Barrios, who was also coming to that undefeated. He was the hometown guy, yet it was Cardenas or Papoca being cheered towards the end and a lot of people who were watching the fight that weren't in the crowd thought Barrios got the raw end of it. This seemed to be one of those situations where a fighter was able to gain the respect and then gain the support of the Mexican crowd by being the come forward fighter eating shots, refusing to go down. Did you guys catch this fight? So I did. I did. I did. Go ahead. Go ahead, Des. Well, you pretty, you know, you pitched it nice exactly right there. Barrios was the home fighter and the crowd favored it and I've got to call him Cardenas because that's what was on the field watching. Jesus Christ box, Rick, you're fucking with my head, making me think I jumped timelines. What the hell? No, so Cardenas was very tight. He was upright. He had a high guard and he was constant. He was persistent and Barrios had, he had quick hands. He was flashy and he had that sort of, you know, I'm better than you sort of persona and he looked slicker fighter, but he's not a punch. I mean, he was Cardenas, but after about six rounds, Cardenas wouldn't go away. He was very persistent and the crowd kind of fell in love with Cardenas and had seen enough of Barrios and it was time for Barrios to do something else. Show us where else you've got because we've seen this play and Barrios didn't show us anything else. If anything, he might have dropped 10-15% and that spurred Cardenas on. It had to be very, very disheartening for him to land. So many sharp left hands and not be able to budge the guy, though. I mean, I can't think of very many guys who would have stood up to that many clean shots, but he's not a puncher, is he, Mattie? Doesn't seem to be. No, he's not a puncher. And Cardenas, he's tough. And again, there's a cult, there's a cultural identity to the fighters in the crowd last night. And we, you know, we sat about Mexican fighters when they had, he had a point to prove. And I just felt that going into round six, if Barrios could have put his foot down, if Barrios could have been a bit more spiteful, with a bit more intent, and I'm going to, this one I'm going to get to, I think he might have got Cardenas out of there. But what I noticed in the championship rounds, Barrios pretty much done things that the crowd didn't like. Like, he went for long walks. And at one point, even kind of run away from Cardenas, almost like, I'm not going to engage. Now, of course, the crowds booing that. And in close rounds, you don't quite know how the judges are going to go. They might, that might be enough for them, just to put the tick next to Cardenas's name, because they've got the crowd booing him and now they're cheering Cardenas every time he throws. Me personally, what I got from that fight was Barrios is probably the more technical fighter, the more skillful fire has got a lot more moves in his locker. But he didn't have a plan B, or he didn't have to step on it after round six or seven, if your opponent's still coming forward. And that's exactly what happened last night. In the championship rounds, I think he gave a few of them rounds away. And the first half of the fight is pretty much what you're looking for. The judges had it, 95, 95, even 97, 93, 96, 94, Barrios never won, never won a card on any bany judge. So it was almost, almost unanimous for Cardenas. And I kind of went that way as well. I was sort of thinking at the end of the round, ended a 12 round, you've probably nicked this now. Well, and I thought that Barrios, I remember it was over 10. But remember, I thought that he probably won the first five. And then I thought he probably had an argument in there for winning one of the rounds where he was moving and boxing late too. I almost feel like the crowd who should have been in his corner persuaded the judges into going the other direction. That's what I got. And, you know, I just felt the first half of the fight is pretty much what you go for. And I know that about it, Barrios started quicker and more flashy and looked the better fighter, but the second half of the fight, and in them, particularly in the last three rounds, in the last four rounds, the last three rounds, should we say, because over 10, I thought Barrios didn't do himself any favors, not with a crowd and possibly not with the judges. Well, and he's suffering the consequences today because, I mean, all he really needed was one round where he bit down on there and he would have at least had the draw. And it was, there was entertaining enough moments. I mean, it's, it's, it's almost surprising to me how quickly that crowd shifted on him, because when he was landing those left hands down the pipe, they were all behind him. And I mean, it was, and I mean, just like almost on a dime, I've almost never seen a crowd turn on a fighter that quickly before. That was a little surprising. So, let's see here. Also on that card, Yamalith Mercado with a win over Ramla Ali, in a fight that was wider than I think most people who took the time to watch it saw it, all, all he actually held her own. But I do think she lost, but apparently has ceiling failing to pick up 122 pounds scrap, strap in the process there. And also, Gabriel Mercado was on there. I believe he's the brother of Raymond Mercado. I don't know. Did you see any of these other fights that were on the card or did you just catch off there guys? No, I've got the top three and Ramla Ali delusional decision. And before that, I never got any of them. No worries. Any arguments with Ali loose in that decision? No, not really. Not really. Yeah. She's a decent enough fighter, Mercado. I would say that Mercado is about the, I don't want to say garden variety because that sounds terrible. But I'd say that she's basically a good marker for what the average women's boxing champion is right in that area. Yeah. And am I right? I got to be disrespectful. Am I right in thinking that Ramla Ali's the sort of girl you've got to beat if you have aspirations of winning the world title? Well, 100%. I mean, especially after she got knocked out, I mean, I know she got revenge in the comeback fight. But you know, Ali, if she didn't have a little bit of a spotlight on her outside of boxing because of modeling. She's got back story, right? Yeah. Because she's early 30s. It's not like she's, you know, a 20 something year old gal or anything. So she might still carry on. This might be the end of the day. But you know, best of luck with her. I mean, it's obviously not like she doesn't have anything else that she can be doing. So anyhow, absolutely best of luck to her. Let's see here. So next, let's go on to, yeah, let's go to Miami, Florida. To where I thought the crowd was awfully quiet out there for this event, Mattia FEMA Lopez, taking a wide unanimous decision over Steve Claggett, who took about as many shots as he could have taken over 12 rounds, but not succumbing to any of them. Absolutely incredible. And as listeners of the show, no, I have a lot of time for Steve Claggett, who was one of those comeback pros who earned this shot. I would worry about him in his next fight after taking those punches. So he ate some nasty, nasty shots. Tio found that uppercut. But I don't ever think Tio really had to get out of second gear. And I think he could have gotten Claggett out of there if he had wanted to put his punches together a little bit more. But anyhow, that was, it was a fairly entertaining fight despite being one-sided, because Claggett, he comes forward and he definitely gives you opportunities to swing, and he landed his own shots in there as well. You guys did not catch this card, correct? I caught the two main fights when this card made, just on Lopez. Yeah, I look, obviously, Claggett's brave and starting pushing the fight forward and trying to go in the front foot. He's a pros pro, man. He deserves everyone's respect. He's just not skilled enough to compete with Tio. I know, I know Tio is whether it can have swelled up around the eyes, not as well, and remember the top of the bridge of the nose. When you're right, the Lopez was landing some vicious uppercuts on Claggett. That said, I don't know what it is with Tio. I think there's like a fair factor with him sometimes. I think if he's fighting opponents in the sea level type, he doesn't really kind of, I just don't think he's up for it as such. You know what I'm saying? It was just a point. I don't know if it's the fact that his power has even went up to 140 possibly. I know Claggett in terms of size, roughly a little bit of same size as Lopez and that as well. And as I say, Claggett was tagging him for a point-to-point. Punching power might not be there, but definitely it gave Tio about an inch working and we'll put it that way. Did he come for just for a paycheck and take a few punches and lie down afterwards and get counted out? He came and he tried and that's all you can ask. You know, on his pro man, you tried all he could took everything as well and you're right. You're getting what I knew actually because there was a lot of punches there and a lot of punishment. So a long break. Keep out the jump for a wee bit. Keep out the sparring situations. Just tick over and jump. Stay away for the sparring, just know for a wee while. Let us say we'll heal properly. But as for Lopez, I didn't catch a post fight. So I don't know what they were talking about in terms of future opponents at this point. But I would just off top of my head. I would probably like to see who's it? Who's it? Who's it? Might ask again, Liam Parro, sorry. I'd like to see him fight Liam Parro. I don't know what the situation is with Devin Haney in terms of the belt. Based off our performance last night, a wee bit of such, I wouldn't be too kind of, I don't want to be reactive or such. But it's just, you don't know how we fight against Devin Haney's best of our performance. I think he'd be more up for it and he didn't work in a fair factor. But whenever he seems to have chaos in his life, by the way, seems to somehow switch it on. He had the same situation as George Taylor. He had the same situation against Loma Cenco. Somehow he just pulled out the fire amongst all his chaos and he puts on to the best performances of his life. It's a good observation, Andy. That's so accurate, yeah. He cannot write him off. He is a talented fighter when he puts it all together. Mainly, I just think the stop missing there. And when he gets it right, he's going to be hard to beat. So, wait, see, I don't know if it is running, when he is running on all cylinders, T.A. female Lopez is a top five pound per pound fighter. When he's not, that number varies massively on where his level is in the sport. I know I don't Jack Catwood fighting, we just program it, which by the way, I'm moved to on board without fighting. I like this. I like this in kind of way even longer, let me try and get bopped and try to get the Lopez fight. I know Bob's shouting on my wee butt as well. But I'll tell you the fight that would be terrible for him based on the style of both fighters. But if he wants to pick up more belts, he's going to need it. It's Sandor Martine and Alberto Pueo apparently are going to purse bid for whatever freaking title they're up for. And we already see you at the margin. We already saw Martine against T.A. female Lopez, give him a really hard time, arguably beat him. And Pueo brings a lot of that to the table as well. I think the winner of that fight against T.O. could definitely spell an L for T.O. But if you wants to pick up all the belts, he's going to need him. But let me just say aside from that, just fill in this time, since there's not much to say about this fight, does I don't know who the fuck is going to come forward in Sandor Martine against Alberto Pueo? I don't know. They could just be walking the outside of the ring. It's a shitty fight on paper, which, you know what, means it might be very good in the ring. Sometimes it comes out of the way. Ever up to me, I like that. It's brilliant. I wouldn't have much hope for that, Mattie. Who comes forward in that one? It's an awful style match-up. Two South Paws, I think, if I recall, are they both South Paws? Yeah, I think they are. I don't know. Going back to something that Andy was touching on there with T.O. I think we have to accept that the supremely talented fighters are not the way the most supremely disciplined fighters, and in fact, the more talented you are, the less you rely on discipline, or less you need discipline. I think T.O. is discovering his life that I'm talented enough to get away with an awful lot that others can't. If you look at guys that are not so talented, they work on discipline. What time they go at bed, what they consume, how they live, the people they put themselves around. I don't think T.O. is in that group, and I think to get the very best version of T.O. thinking about Lopez, you have to take him into a place where he needs to tap into discipline, otherwise you'll get beat. To draw back on the observation Andy made, absolutely right. When you see T.O. against a kid like George Taylor, or like Loma Cenco, your sim is very, very best. There's no doubt about it. T.O. is one of the most pureest athletes in boxing, one of the most talented kids in boxing. If you can get the two lions at the right space, discipline, focus, talent, I struggle to see anyone up at 140, that T.O. couldn't beat. I think T.O. can beat him more if he gets him on his right night. I think he's that good. But again, I'll go back to what to repeat myself, the most talented fighters are not normally the most disciplined because they don't have to be. Yeah, that's a shame. I think that's why T.O. and Crawford is such a rare fighter in the sport. He is just so overwhelmingly dedicated to it, not just in what he does in his training, but outside of the ring. Like all of his life is built upon being a success from the ground up. It's about him being successful at what he does. So when you talk about T.O. and Crawford, I agree, T.O. would you say that he's a supremely talented guy? Or would you say he's more of a disciplined guy? I think he's actually kind of got three things. I think he's supremely talented. I think he's incredibly dedicated with a tremendous work ethic. And I also think that his ring IQ is off the charts. Yeah, I am. It's hard because I think the discipline brings about talent, but I would put I would put Spence Crawford. I would put him guys closer to say that the Marvin Hagler's, but it works really hard to become very good. But I wouldn't put I wouldn't put him near say a T.O. and I put T.O. probably closer to sort of the the Duran's or the Ray Linners where they're just so talented and so good at what I do. And these guys are going to be world class on 50%. I don't want to be objectionable. I don't want to sort of go against you just for the point of it, but I think T.O. is a different type of talent, even to Bud Crawford. I think the things he can do, I think the fights he can win. I think guys like T.O. get me on 50%. I don't know that you can be as accurate as Crawford is and not be surprised. Yeah, he's very talented. You know, what I love about to go too far for, I love about Duran is just the fact that he basically said, fuck it. I'll just get fat and keep fighting. And he just kept waiting. I was having a chat with someone ever though who we were talking about. We were talking about Duran and such and he was a little bit younger and he didn't quite get the Duran thing. And he only saw Duran when he got done by Hagler and Hearns and I said, Duran had a 10 year Hall of Fame career wiping everybody out before even Fort Ray Linners in 1980. I mean, he had a 10 year Hall of Fame career then in, I think, 80 or 81. He started a second 10 year Hall of Fame career and you could argue the third 10 year was a Hall of Fame career as well. Like that's how special he was. Yeah, go get Andy going on Duran or he could that he could probably like have just a podcast about Roberto Duran. So anyhow, let's see here. So also on that top ranked card, let's see here. Andy, I know you caught this one. Robacie Ramirez, absolutely annihilating branded Benitez with that upper cut. I'd say it's a knock out of the year candidate. Robacie looked incredibly sharp. I think obviously the level of his opponent was nowhere near Estrada, but I think he looked just as sharp as Bam did. He looked the best he has in a long time. Yeah, and that's one thing I noticed, I thought it was one of his more Polish performances, a bit more patience about, again, he was, that guy he was fighting was not really offered much up to be fair, in my opinion, at least, and they didn't even belong at that level. Somehow he's got a top 10 rank and somehow, but anyways, not anymore. Yeah, I know anymore. One thing about 10, as he was counting it, anyway, I said that upper cut your right. I mean, it's the way he set it up actually. He stepped to the left and if you look at the eyes, there's a great shot from underneath the bottom, a turnbuckle in the corner. There's a camera there. I don't know if you've seen it in my eye, but you actually see the full shot, we also see Ramirez's stance. You literally see him pushing the punch right up through the leg, through the hip, and right up through the shoulder, by the way, I fucking pitch of a shot, pitch of a shot. I think they'll catch him again, but another shot just before he went down. He's flying in a right hook, right hook of his eye. That's what it was, it was a phenomenal shot, but look at the air type stuff now, but at the same time, I'm going to go too dark because the opponent wasn't there all that. He wasn't really offered up too much. Ramirez showed that he was a class above footwork, timing, punching pivot, always saying the end, and to say it was just the footwork and the timing, and obviously the power that set up that bloody very uppercut, it was just vicious, mate, yeah. It's good to see Robsy can stay switched on and focused against an opponent like that and be so good against an opponent like that, because in the past in his career, we've seen him switch off against lesser opponents, so that's a positive, isn't it, for Robsy? That fight could have easily gone the distance if Robsy wanted it to, because he didn't have to really do that much to be better than Benitez, so the fact that he finished it the way he does, credit to him, and I think the best thing about this fight and what he was able to do, and we'll get to this other guy in a second here, but I think Andy that this has definitely created some buzz for his rematch with Espinosa, which I think could be just as good as the first fight. Yeah, but obviously, mate, as well, I think Rob's just touched back on last week's actually, I remember two weeks ago, I think it was, he beat Sanchez, didn't he? Espinosa, that has stopped him in four rounds, obviously Sanchez, I think just he was, again, a little weight class below in my opinion, so again, both guys have had that kind of easy to cover fight in my opinion, based off these last two fights, so they've got the rust off, you know, it should be, the fight should be, it should be happening next. I think, based on all last night's performance, for me, there's, as that patient and the way he went about his business not last night, I think he could turn the tide in this fight and possibly be able to stop Espinosa there, this time our impossible list, we'll wait and see, but it's good the whole match on our great fight, actually. Yeah, absolutely, and you know, if it goes the direction of Ramirez, and it's competitive, and there's nothing else getting in the way, it has the markings of what could be another solid trilogy fight, so yeah, I'm right, you're saying as well as Ramirez, he got dropped in the last round in that fight, yeah, so if I had no harm, I might have even seen that fight with the Benadro, he's something along the way. He only lost on a split, and he didn't, I guess. Yeah, for our majority, I think it was in majority, yeah. Yeah, I think actually what would have happened is that he would have, maybe, maybe two cards would have, he would have been a splat and see the majority of them. Yeah, maybe something like that, so, but yeah, it was, it was a good fight, and you got to remember that he floored Espinosa pretty hard, and what was the fifth round with the right hook, too, so that fight is interesting, and you know, after Espinosa, you know, racking up this victory, I mean, I know it's not great competition, but you know, proving that there might be a little bit something more to this kid than catching somebody's surprise is, by surprise, is just this tall freaky fighter. So yeah, hopefully they get that one done real quick back to the one last night though, Elvis Rodriguez with a unanimous decision over Gino Rodrigo, but if there's anything from that fight, it did fizzle out a little bit. The first round might be a round of the year candidate friends because both fighters went down. Rodriguez shockingly going down against the robes with Rodrigo caught him with a nice right hand. Rodrigo stalking him the rest of the round because Rodriguez was on shaky legs only for Rodriguez to uncork his own punch up against the ropes with five seconds left to go as Rodriguez pouncing on him to even it up. So that first round in Elvis Rodriguez, you know, Rodrigo, definitely worth your time if you care to do care to catch that one. So yeah, anybody who didn't definitely tune in, you know, the flow PES was fight was all right, but that first round Rodriguez, Rodrigo worth it. The knockout of Ramirez over Benitez, absolutely fantastic. Emiliano Vargas was also on there picking up a quick stoppage victory. Nico Ollie Walsh worth mentioning picking up a victory, getting revenge over Sona Akale just narrowly by a point on both cards because he was able to score a good knockdown in the third. But in the sixth and final round of this fight, Ollie Walsh had a dislocated shoulder and he tried to punch it back into place. You know, he might be lacking quite a bit, but this guy does have a fighter's heart. And, you know, apparently he's turned down good money to fight certain people because he thought they're joke fights. I think he has respect for his name as well. So we'll see where he goes from here. Gonna have to recover from that. But if you like nasty injuries, check that out. Sixth round, Nico Ollie Walsh against Sona Akale. Definitely a nasty little injury that occurred in that one. I don't know if you guys happen to see anything, any highlights of that one, but it was, it was gross. Always seeing what was happening between some of the, you know, the harmers made in between rounds were showing some kind of like catch up highlights. And I had seen that part of talking back here was in the corner trying to put a punch. I thought it was actually just like your punch. And he said, like, come on, let's go. So thanks for looking at him. Oh, man, no, because I didn't even know he had been with Hampton. Nope, trying to, trying to get his body parts back to where they belong. That's a problem, I said, because obviously, if you're just looking at your shoulders right there behind that, unless it heals properly, that can be problematic in future fights. I think a lot of the time it shows that you're not throwing your punches properly, too. Remember Hampton Pascal a couple of times again? Oh, yeah. What was that remaining guy's name again? To get a pack of nice dakunu, that's the one you had to try and get it put in twice. I'm sure during that same fight, it was serious pain. Like I remember a month between Ray rounds of that fight sticks in my mind. Diakunu was a, was a decent little kind of. Yeah, I'm sure, but you know what, but you know what, an excellent pain or definitely remain good amateur for the remaining side at one point. I can't mean to me would check his record. He might have been, but I mean, good Romanian amateur. I mean, what does that really mean, Andy? What does that mean? Well, again, it depends on you competing against. So let's see here. You hit on this one. So let's go to it real quick. Des, did you see the Espinosa Sanchez fight last week? No, I didn't, but I'm aware of the result because I'm following the Robsy connection. Now, I'll tell you that. So that fight, you know, we already discussed that a bit. The card, the one on that fight that on that card that I want to talk about is Andres Cortez getting a unanimous decision over Abraham Nova. For anyone who saw this fight, most people think that this one was a robbery. We can't come to, we can't figure out how, how the judges got there. We had Feldman at 96, 94, and then Patricia Morse, Jarman, Dave Moretti, 97, 93, all experienced judges. I don't know how they got there. I was only able to originally catch the first or the last four rounds of the fight, which I think Nova probably won them all. Maybe he only, maybe he got three of them if you're really looking. But then he didn't lose the first six come to find out, you know, he definitely lost a handful. Maybe he should have walked out of there with a draw, but I think Abraham Nova really got a raw deal on this one. And I don't know what your thoughts are on this one, Andy. I was, I was disappointed. I didn't catch that one made to be fair, so I'm, I'm going to be catching it. No, I don't get that. Sad days. Well, it's okay. Let's see also on that card. You had Troy Eisley, who was able to pick up a victory over the previously undefeated Javier Martinez. A couple of deductions in that fight, kind of nasty here and there. Floyd Diaz, I was able to pick up a victory over an 18 and 11 opponent. Seems like they're slowing him down a little bit there. So yeah. And then Friday night here, we had a pro box championship fight, but not from Florida from Washington, D.C. So Lamont Roach could have a homecoming defending his belt that he picked up off of Hector Luis Garcia over Fergal McCrory. Would you be shocked to find out that a guy named Fergal McCrory was stopped, Andy? No surprise, mate. No, I didn't catch the fight. I don't know what was on YouTube. I have got it saved, but the opponent who, who was, who was, who was the opponent again? McCrory was fighting? Lamont Roach Jr. I didn't see some comments Lamont Roach actually gave him a bit of props. So see, I might catch up with that one easily. McCrory is tough. I mean, Lamont Roach heard him a lot of times. He knocked him down in in round three. He put him down twice with body shots in round four and McCrory kept coming in. And then his corner just had mercy on him. He was just, he was too many hard shots. Roach looking about as good as he ever has, fighting with more confidence since picking up that championship. I'm just hoping that they finally get Otar Air Inosion a title shot. I think that's one of the bodies he's ranked with, but we'll see Otar is waiting in the wings and I want to see him get his chance. Also, I see John O'Carroll fighting for a title in Russia against the but I think Isaiah even about two weeks time, maybe even next week, possibly I think. That's a big ask as well, they don't fight you how much. He's one of the upcoming Russians here. I think he's an exolampian gold medalist, not as well, so it's a tough ask for John O'Carroll. Yeah, that's obviously interesting. Going to Russia, interesting. Very interesting. Also on that Probox card, Lester Martinez picking up a victory over the Iron Chin Carlos Gengora who just refused to get knocked out. How did that go mate? I just said I've got to fight saved after snow. How did Gengora look? Awful. He looked like he could take a punch. So he could beat it? Yeah, I mean, he throws back a little bit, so but yeah, it wasn't enough. I hope for him actually. You always always love him. I love a B side fighter, but you just never can really fall through in the end, so. Yeah, and then a name that you guys might be familiar with. I didn't catch this one, but the result being Alex Dilma Gani lost by 7th round stoppage to Renee Tae as Giron. Giron always formidable, even despite his 19 and three records. So this attempted career resurgence in the United States for Dilma Gani has gone horribly. Yeah, Dilma Gani's been in process in 2009, and he's thought, sort of like Jason Nesbitt and Daniel Thorpe and Baz Carrey. Billy Smith, God bless him, and Mickey Cauveny, but there must have been a big, there has been a gap here of some sort that no, he's been reasonably active, sort of one or two fights a year. He's been a long standing pro. So to find himself on that card, he must have relocated. Is that what he's done, Mattie? Yeah, he was trying to relocate here and get a change in his career and yeah. He was doing a Mexico front number he used was, you know? Right. I don't know. Pretty sure he was, actually. Yeah, well, maybe he needs to go back there, or maybe he needs to go back home. It's not going well here. Well, Fergal relocated to New York, didn't he? He's an Irish kid, he's relocated to New York, and he's not a punch of Fergal, so they brought him in to give him a defence. I always wonder that when you get a kid like Lamont Road with a good world title, like a super featherweight world title, I wonder what they've got planned for him. I wonder what the move is going to be, because if you're around that featherweight class and you want to step up, that's a really good fight to have, because Lamont's been beating before. He's not much of a puncher, so there could be a bit of movement somewhere up there. We could see Lamont coming over here with a vote soon. You never know how that could wind up. I think it just ends up where the money is ultimately best. It couldn't have been a huge purse being a pro box event. Once again, just showing the PVC is not able to keep their roster together at this point in time. There's just not enough dates to go around. But anyhow, if you said, say, for example, say we wanted to get a sort of leewood, you're struggling at featherweight. Let's get you up at super feather and bring a world champion over. That works, doesn't it? And then it's a good fight. I like that fight, actually. Yeah, so good fight for leewood. And you'd fancy leewood in that fight. Sorry. Roach wants a unification. We'll see where it goes from there, but I don't know if he's going to get that one. Especially if for example, the machinations in America, for example, if people looking after Raymond Ford, look, you've struggled at featherweight, you've been a world champion. Let's get you up at super feather. That's always a good fight, isn't it? So always wonder when a kid, when an unfancied kid who hasn't pulled up an awful lot of trees has found himself with a world title, and they're bringing a Fergal, McCrory for a Fergal for him. I sometimes think, what's the next, what's the bigger picture? Yeah, and this just seems like a homecoming fight where he could look good and they can make a little bit of money. There was just not a lot to this fight. It was just, but Roach, he looked sharp. And you know what, as a new champion, it's good to get that confidence though, and keep building it. And McCrory is a really good opponent for that, isn't he? Absolutely. I mean, he's tough as hell. He keeps coming, but he blocks punches with his face. And fair play to Lamont, because looking at it, it seemed like his father was involved with a promotion. So they've probably run around, they've got an assault tickets. I don't know what the attendance was like there, but it was a homecoming, wasn't it? So they're building Lamont for a reason. I just wonder what the next mode's going to be. Yeah, sounded good. You know what I mean? In that area, I mean, you had DC and Baltimore aren't too far apart. Davis is over there as well. So, I mean, it's an area. I mean, the Peterson brothers from DC as well. So there's definitely a fight scene around there for sure. So I don't know, we'll see if one more might happen. But let's see here. Oh, and there was a couple of UK cards that went on. So I'll kind of let you guys discuss them. Andy, what did you see? And as if you saw the same stuff, feel free to interact away. Yeah, it was just a couple of cards on the Friday and the Saturday, the one on Channel 5, only caught one on the offer against Liam Cameron. But I don't know if you remember, Mike, Liam Cameron was the fighter that Ozzy's mentioned a number of times who caught the four-year ban for cocaine. I was like, other guys who were used to steroids or catch like maybe nine months or a year now. Anyway, by the by, Cameron, I think it was a middleweight before the ban. I'm sure, maybe maybe slightly lighter than that. But he's up a light heavy weight now. And, um, wasn't it overall? I thought it'd be fair, but it was a bit of a pure performance for what I can remember it. And Cameron got a point deducted as well, I'm sure. I'm pretty sad that Arthur also missed the weight. So bad habit there, it'd be fair. So again, look, it's half a pound, but again, it's unprofessional. I think when the Saturday, um, bigger, well, not so much an upset guy. So I think it was more just probably something more kind of weight than the wings. It was really Felix Cash's return. I can mention it the last time we were on earth that Cash has been fought in a while. We don't know the new form guide and he turned up and Taylor Denny, I was thought it was absolutely fantastic. A guy who's had a couple of losses, a couple of draws, he's Korean, not a husband, he's been discouraged, come back, the European middleweight champion. And I thought it was fantastic. Okay, technical decision, bit of a bad cut, whatever it was, but at the same time for the, as long as I felt lastly, I thought Denny was the boss in that fight. Didn't he catch the women's feet? Did not remember Lewis Crocker against Queen of Walker. I'm pretty sad because I don't know about award days. Did you catch our fight mate? Yes, I did. It was a good fight. It was a brilliant fight. It might be fight of the year. Have you not seen it Andy? Yeah, I'm just trying to remember me. I'm pretty sure I did. Okay, so Crocker and Walker possibly my fight of the year so far. Two guys, you don't want to see him interviewed after the fight, you want to get him back to the change rooms, get him in with the doctor and probably getting into observation overnight. It was that sort of fight. They were both brilliant. Now, I fancied Crocker going in and Crocker fights with an arrogance. He fights with this almost like I'm too good to be here. It hits Walker with sort of these one shot to Walker's three and Walker's not going away and Walker was persistent and he was constant and it drew Crocker into the fight. He probably didn't want and the last five rounds it out. They were both going toe to toe. A lot of the guys in the chat had Walker winning. I really honestly thought he was a draw and I never go for the draw but if there was ever going to be a draw in boxing, it was probably this one. Both guys were brilliant. It's made me kind of manage my expectation on Lewis Crocker as well because him and Patty Donovan seem to be the fight they're trying to make. I'm not quite sure if Patty Donovan does himself justice in that fight but I'm not so sure if Lewis Crocker does himself justice either. I'd like to see him both. Let's see him marinate a little bit longer, another eight months, 12 months and let's see if we can make that but while I'm talking about Crocker and Donovan, we must not forget Walker who's now put himself in that because that fight, there was a whisk up between who wins it and who is it? Was that what was that worth watching? I heard that was actually there's just talking there actually I can recall it. I absolutely do recall it. Walker. But guys, am I right? You say there's another something wrong with this Crocker and Donovan can I cram in the weight a little bit in terms of like it's affecting these output is if he was able to get it right, he could he could actually have got Walker out of there if he had to be able to thank me because that was a lot of punishment I can recall. Well that's really interesting to say that because I spoke to a few of the lads in Northern Ireland just before the fight. I spoke to Dominic and the feeling was if Crocker can get his weight right, if he can get all that, all the variables in place, all his ducks in a row, he's a very very capable operator but if you look at Walker's CV, he's also a capable guy and he's one of these guys that has probably lost fires that were probably wrong timing for him and it's probably suggests he's not as good as what he actually is. Walker is a very very good fighter and I wouldn't fancy Patty Donovan against Walker. It's a hard fight for all of them. Walker done himself justice on Saturday. It was a brilliant fight and fired a year for me but both guys in the last three, four rounds were toe to toe and when you thought someone's landed a shot, that's going to turn the tide, the other kid come back. It was absolutely brilliant. If you haven't seen it, Mattie, and you get a spare half an hour this week, watch it. It's that good. Excellent. You probably need to go to the zone and get out when my yeah, if it's on the zone, whatever, watch it. Stupid to zone. Were there any other cards? Was that for only one you guys discussed while I was getting my beverage? Obviously channel 5. I don't know if you want to mention London after me. I mean, it's so bad. He's at a crossroads in my opinion. Even when the fight is such a decision, at least we'll leave it at that. One of the cards was at this grace, $97.91. Did you sometimes think in a fight like that, the one that's come out looking better is Liam Cameron because everything Andy said is right. Liam Cameron's got a brilliant back story. Liam Cameron took that fight because he was probably told, we need to get you to go in. Time's not on your side and you've lost five years. I think Liam Cameron and some of the lads in the chat will correct me. I think he was a Commonwealth middleweight champion before the five-year ban. So was that right, Andy? Was he coming all over the white champions? He's a capable operator. To watch him fight last Friday, we all fell in love with Liam Cameron because we knew that he's going to give this the best chance he can because he can't have a bad performance. Now, in contrast to that, Lyndon Arthur reminds me a little bit of Garra Southgate's England. He does something well, then he steps back two feet and just observes and abys his work and he allows people into the fight. He was probably, Liam Cameron, the perfect opponent for Liam was Lyndon Arthur because Lyndon might throw a really good jam. Let's be clear, Lyndon's got size, he's got technical abilities, he's got good hands, good feet, but he just won't come out of a comfort zone. He won't take himself to that place and Liam exploited that. So, whenever Lyndon had done something well, Liam kept firing back and having his moment and that's what made it a close fight. I thought the cards were terrible. It was a lot closer than the card said it was, but of that fight, Liam's come out the one in good health. Liam's the one that's come out of an awful lot of credibility and there'll be a lot of work for Liam, which I think is what the exercise was for. If you can win it, win it, but if you can't look good, and Liam definitely look good. Excellent. Anything else I miss? Well, thanks for me. I was all like a member picker, actually, two weeks ago. Obviously, there'll be other minor stuff, but no other worth reporting. Anything else off of your mind that you saw it does? Have we touched on PSO Leery? No, that's right. You saw that card. Yep. Go ahead. Pierce is really good. Yeah, a couple of days ago. Yeah, yeah. Pierce is really good. Pierce has got great feet. It was mentioned in a chat by George. Pierce is not a puncher, but he throws good combination shots, and he can sting you. Like we talk about the most talented fighters are not always disciplined, and the most disciplined fighters are not always the most talented. In Pierce's case, perhaps because he's not such a conclusive puncher, it's made him technically very good. His feet are very good. He understands angles, particularly when he's in the pocket. And Darren Foley really has come off the Robbie Davis junior win, and they've thought, "You know what? We're going to put you in with cattle, and now we're going to put you in with O'Leary." He's a capable guy, but O'Leary was brilliant on Friday night. He had angles, he had good feet, punch selection was good, variation was good, really good performance in Pierce, and he's only young in his professional career. I'm interested to see where he goes, but he's with a respected team in Liverpool. He's very capable. It comes from a good part of, you know, it comes from Ireland, where they're going to get behind him, and there'll be a lot of fights for him. He's interested to see where Pierce O'Leary goes in the next 12 months. Excellent. Well, yeah, there's, wasn't there a vicious knockout on that title? Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was. It was awful. Right, so the name escapes me now, but the kid caught me with a right hand over the top, and he fell forward. So it was almost natural to throw left up as well, and he caught him coming down. But I spoke to Steve on Friday, and he said, "No, he's good. He's in good health." But it was a Tony ball kid, and he's okay. He's okay, but he was a vicious knockout. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds, you know, that's the tough thing. So it, does it qualify as a knockout of the year contender, do you think? I mean, the fact that it was frightening, but, you know, I mean, we, a lot of knock out of the year contenders were frightening for sure. Yeah, Paul Williams, sure, Joe Martinez, you know, his eyes were open when he was asleep. That was frightening. That was one of them. He was, he was on the floor twitching, and you could see by the actions of the, you could see by the actions of the referee, the corner, just, look, so let me pull it up, because I want to get the names right. Let's do the kid justice. So where are we? We were, it was, what card, remind me the card, it appears. So if you, if you, if you look up the pure Soliria box, we'll pull it up from there. Okay, right. So, bear with me, guys. Sorry, lads. No, you're fine. Right. So we've got Pierce. Let's go to his card, and I'll know the name when I see it. Steve, Steve brought it to my attention. Right. It was James McGivan, and he stopped Rashid Omar, and Rashid Omar was the kid that got dropped and knocked down heavily. What probably didn't, what probably didn't, what did make it look very nice was James was very wound up. He was very tense. And when he threw that shot and he knew, he must have known as soon as his glove landed, that you're going to keep, and he threw the uppercut because he fell forward. And then he kind of like, you know, he was in getting involved with a crowd now because he's the home fighter and he's a spectacular knockout. But you could see Tony ball Rashid in the ring put Rashid into a recovery position. The referee was trying to hold his legs because his legs were sort of, I don't need to make it too dramatic, but his legs were sort of twitching. So that's a sort of stabilizing. I make sure he's okay. I sent, I sent Steve a text and said, how is Rashid? Because Steve was there. And Steve said, no, he understands he's okay, and he's up on his feet, and he's talking as, as he's known with a protocol, these things, but it just looked really bad. Well, you know, as long as he's, as he's all right, I hope everything goes well. And I guess we'll, we'll discuss this again for knockout of the year candidates later on in the year. And if I, if I can, Matt, I think we should, I don't know if Andy saw it. We should probably give Tyler, Tyler Denny some respect as well, because he last week, he defended the European title being a serious cash. That was, yeah. It was, yeah, it was. What a run he's on for being a non-punch or two. What a run. Well, as, as, as I say, he's a, well, briefly touched on it in that as well, is it's, you know, a couple of losses on his record. There's only a matter. Does it, I mean, he's got a couple of draws. Again, there's only a matter. He's been in there. We did say the same time as well as we just didn't know what, we cash been off so long, but he was going to offer, well, doesn't know the matter. Tyler Denny just took it apart. Again, all he went in five rounds because obviously because of the cutting that, but at the same time is that the fight was, me, for me, it was only going one way. It was Tyler Denny, it was, it was, it was his fight, it was his fight all the way. So questions for Felix Cash moving forward in terms of what they're going to do, but that Jim knew as, that's called, is that Christina Cash and Ben. Do you know something really interesting about Tyler Denny? Of his last 10 opponents, seven of them have been undefeated. That's, that's a really good run, isn't it? He hasn't won all of them. He drew with Wilson bent, but returned that one and he got beat by line as you dove here, but it shows you the mentality of Tyler Denny. And I think we should, you know, we can't speak high enough of him because this is a kid that wasn't meant to be here. And the European title, Mattie, it's our gateway into world class. You know, we fight for area belts and then we fight for British and Commonwealth titles, but the European title historically, there's always been the one that earned you a lot more money, it gets you a lot more prestige, it puts you a top 15 world ranking. And that's Tyler Denny's, Tyler Denny's belt. And when you look at the guys he's mixed with, you know, in terms of, you know, Brad Paul's, and we see Brad Paul's pretty much run a split with the British champion at the moment. And he's also a brilliant fighter. Yeah, it was a good fight. And he's been beaten by Reese Cartwright, and he got back on the saddle. He's been beaten by Linus and got back on the saddle. Again, I think that's an outstanding run of your last 10 opponents, seven of them have been undefeated. So he's got a right to sit back and go, no one's ever looked after me, mate, because I'm trying to think of someone else who's got a record like that. And he's done ever so well, Tyler. And he's getting something going in that particular part of the country in Wolverhampton. And they seem to be for him. He wasn't meant to win last Saturday, but I wonder, I wonder how much of that was Eddie made me say the Felix. I'll tell you what, you've had a lot to say. You've not been living particularly well. You've been out for two years. Can I get your big fights? I've got European title. Can't beat Tyler Denny. And it was an absolutely the wrong fight for Felix. He just wasn't, it was just Tyler was rough. He was tough. He was game. He threw shots over the top. He threw him under. He was going in with his shoulders. It really roughed up the rough guy. And I always know when a kid struggling, particularly in rounds two and three, because they get on that old Roy Jones sparring partner mode, where they drop their hands and try and bob and weave and slip shots, it wasn't phasing Tyler one bit. He was brilliant last Saturday. And so much credit to Tyler because I've followed his career. He's the underdog and he's come good. He's really doing well. And by the looks of it, Ben Shalom's going to get him a deal at Skye. So he'll be for the first time in his career, the promoted fighter. And the thing as well as I've actually checked, he's a world ranking before this fight actually might be any of his top, it was number 14. So the rankings about middle of next month, they've certainly maybe jump up to the top 10. And you're talking to me like it's Austin Williams, Liam Smith, Elijah Garcia, Chris Ubank, Hamza Shiraz. And then obviously the champ, I'm Sheriff Carlos Adams. So, so this invites from there. And there says he's on that gate, he's definitely at the gateway to a world class opponents or world ranked opponents. There's one fighter I would love to see him face. I don't know if he's still ranked in the top 15, a Milker Vidal somehow holds a world ranked installer at this day. And Tyler Denny has walked about a gauntlet. He's earned his the hard way of this day. He says, "The likes of Vidal and Fao Kao, the Brazilian, I think these are these are decent barometers at this point to keep them busy. If he's not going to get a European title defence in place, and these might be the decent of opponents, just a test of waters at world class or world gateway, world level, and then make the move sometime later on the year of this year or early next year for likes of Monday. Yeah, I love that. I love that handy. That's a really blank, there's some time for maybe Shiraz, but Shiraz is my baby with Charles, I follow all the title by then. So again, if Shiraz wins the world title, you get Denny picking up a few more wins behind there. But was I believe the more excellent I met him, you might get that world title fight against Shiraz at some point as well. You never know how the cards make for there. And Tyler's one of them guys, he's had that type of career. I'd like to see him earn a few quid. I'd like to see him have a nice bit of money out of this. And the next couple of years, if he's got Sky behind him and a European title and maybe, you know, what you said, let's keep him, let's marinate him at that level and step him up incrementally. And then, and then if you're going to let him off the leash, let him do it in a couple of years when he's had a right few quid and it built a really good resume. And he can look back on boxing and say, well, I really did do well. I'd like to see that for Tyler. I mean, on boxer, he's got him pitching against him to Shiraz for his next fight. And I'm not sure I want to see that because I think Ham does a talent on his own, on his own journey. And I'd like to try and keep Tyler away from him just for now. Since, you know, just check the European rankings there. So I don't know how up to date, he's out at this point, but you bank and Liam Smith are ranked one and two, the European middleweight rankings. But I pause number 10. When you're fagging, but it's number nine, again, he's mixed away. He's, I don't rate him, but he's mixed at world level. Uh, go theory. He helped. He was a heel, the IBF belt. And he's ranked number number five as a distance on fight as well. That's a good fight. Yeah. And undefeated Italian. No means a publicity. I've seen him a couple of times. He, he's a buddy, so either to say, Oh, Leah, I think he's a camera named based in Italy. He's a decent boxer. Not got much power. But again, he's a key busy fights, earn, earn a few quid before you get the call on that basis. So he has got options there really. So hopefully Skye do well by him by the way, because he deserves, as you say, there's a good couple of pay days, at least he's into the hard way. And he's very organic. He's a very organic character, isn't he? There's no, there's no light. There's not scripted it. You know, he's not, he's not, he's not been, he's not come out of GB set up. He's not, he's not with, he's not, and his whole crew with a, you know, a big name promoter. What you see with Tyre is what you get. He's very organic. And I've got that from the crowd last week as well. They was very local. They was all behind him. So, yeah, I'm a complete agreement with Vandy. I'd like to see him nurtured over the next 18 months where he could earn a few quid, build, build a good resume, and then perhaps go into a really big fight because he's earning it. Well, good on him. I mean, there's, so there's not very many, you know, non punchers who work their way up that way. But I think he's, he's, the cool thing about Denny's proof that you don't have to be a big puncher to fight the physically imposing, stronger fighters fight. He's an interesting cat for sure. So we'll see what comes up for next. He's definitely earned something better. So hopefully he gets that. But there is a card. We'll get into our previews here. There is a card that, God, should we kick it off? This is such a, a big deal. I even wonder. But anyhow, we have a card that's going to be headlined by Johnny Fisher taking on Alan the Savage Babbage. Oh, dude, he fucking me. Yep. Also on that card, Reese Blotty taking on the 15 and one Levi Giles with the Commonwealth Superfeather Belt on the line. Undefeated John Hedges taking on undefeated Lewis Oakford for the Southern Area Cruiser Belt. And ladies fight Maisie Rose Courtney against Yasmina Zepotetina. And then see here this kind of, I'd know nothing about these guys, but you got two undefeated guys, a 4-0 and a 3-0 manual Buttigieg against Oliver Chudzig. So yeah, we'll be going on there. Andy, well, anything on that that intrigues you? Not much, mate, to be fair. I want to be, I want to be, what's not live anyway, I'm on hold the next week. So I want to see it. But I would just say, Maisie, I suppose the only thing it's really kind of a question really is, is what rounds is Johnny Fisher and local Alan Babbage? We saw, or we don't know if you saw, there's a Rzzyzki locking out one round just wasted on me, absolutely wasted on him. So I'd expect Johnny Fisher to do the same, boss army will be in there. I'll be fucking, well, boss army, I'll imagine. I don't know much about, we say Rzzyzki a below, he's appointed to be fair. So I remember like days when we jump in on that one, but talk about a wee bit of a resistance, I'd say, you know, we spoke a lot as well. He's come back from like, was it three or four defeats on the spin back about two or three years ago? He's 18 and five right now, and he's coming off of four wins in a row at this point. Yeah, and he beat Liam Dillon for the British title and that as well, he's taken with the Commonwealth. So he's done well for himself to come back here. So obviously, again, as I said, I don't know much about the opponent, but I know he's like punching off his box, right? At least so, I think it might be below, he'll probably win the fight, we'll be like days come in. But there's nothing else really there, mate, that I can see that's really, you know, it's a Saturday night club fight, basically, type card, it's a kind of keep busy fights for development fights for some of those, unless Eddie's getting else, he can have proper up, not, but yeah, it's not having much to write home a book to be fair. Does any thoughts on this copper box card? Yeah, I mean, so the copper box, if, you know, so does, if you notice, but this copper box is part of the Olympic village, sorry, it's part of the legacy of 2012. And you've got West now and play their football there, and you've got a swimming pool there, and you've got a a gymnastic center there, and you've got, you've got quite a few things there, and the copper box is checked this out, does I bet you I have some incredible fact that you wouldn't think an American would have one of the first fights that was at the copper box was Derek Trissora against Malik Scott. Was that one of the first professional boxing matches of the copper box? Was it? Yes, it was. Well, but I think originally, initially, it was for the Olympic boxing as well in 2012. So that's where Lomachenko won his gold and AJ, and I think that's where he held the box in the village. So it lends itself, it's about a seven and a half thousand capacity. So it's one of the London's smaller arenas. So it's not, the old two is a 20,000 arena, and of course you've got the bigger ones like the Excel or such. But this one, he was sort of like a seven thousand, seven and a half thousand, and it fits nice to test the water. So Johnny Fishy is a really big ticket seller. They're telling me he does about 2000 tickets. So I don't know what a scheme they've got going or how they're doing it, but they're getting 2000 bums on seats when he fights. So I'd imagine... I'll tell you this, dess, I bet you if you were a guy who knows how to make fried rice and you're free on a Saturday night, you're gonna be on that fight, you're gonna be at that fight, you know who pays the bill. You're going to stand by me, that's what it's going to happen. So I think Eddie's got plans for Johnny Fishy, and of course he has, but I think what he's doing is introducing Johnny, although he's not the main event, Rastrese Belotti's thing will come to Rhese, but they're introducing Johnny into the bigger arenas where you're higher on the card and how far can we take this? And I think that with Johnny Fishy, he's a work in progress. He's got a good trainer with him, he's got a very good promoter with him, and it's a case of let's keep you active and keep you busy, and Johnny Fishy is a typical example of a fighter that's going to rely on time in the matchmaking. And I think in Alan Babbage, they've got a good one for Johnny. He's a lot smaller than Johnny Fishy, he won't punch hard enough to hurt Johnny Fishy, and after about three rounds you'd expect Johnny Fishy to sort of take over and really see that fight out. I suppose he'll stop Alan Babbage because he's too big into it, it just hits too hard. I would sum it up, Des, is Johnny Fisher is a work in progress, whereas Alan Babbage is a missing link in human progress. There you go, there's a brilliant quote, but yeah, so that's where we're at with it. And I think we saw in, when Johnny Fishy won, the, I think it was the area, it's Southern area, but we might be the English title, I think it was Southern area title, if you can correct me, but we saw it in a kiddie's own size, just got a bit of punch variation, and it's going to stick around beyond four or five rounds, could catch Johnny out. So they've just got a smaller guy in who's going to be very aggressive on the front foot, and Johnny knows how to deal with that, Johnny will have to work on an aggressive opponent who's going to try and push him back. I think it's a good matchmaking if you're trying to develop a fighter. It's not, it's not, it's going to keep you in at night. It's not something it's going to, you're going to look forward to. I'm, I'm sure the arena would be sort of half empty, but it's just one of those tick over moments. Reese, Reese Bellotti, he's had an interesting career. He was a, he was an amateur champion, an ABA champion. He turned over with Jimmy Mack, and he's always been promoted by a matchroom, and then he went on his terrible run where he lost about five in seven, and then he got Liam Dillon, as Andy said, at the, at the Indigo Knight Club in the '02, and he won that British title. So I think he won the British and Commonwealth title. So he's in a good position now. So I don't know much about his opponent, but perhaps matchroom and say, look, we're going to give you another run. So, um, Reese isn't so much a big puncher, or perhaps maybe Liam Dillon is really good at absorbing shots, which we know he is. So the next one will tell us a bit more about Reese, but it's a pretty much a tick over card on a Saturday, on a Saturday evening. Um, there'll be about 4,000 people in there, older four and a half thousand people, and it's in one of London's smaller arenas. So that's pretty much it. It sounds like a good event for people who are just real boxing fans, you know, as long as the ticket is priced fair. It sounds like a good night out for the kind of people we hang out with. But, but Mattie, like, you know, it's really, it suits matchroom to keep Johnny Fisher active, doesn't it? So let's just work out. If he's selling, and I don't know these numbers, let's, let's play around with it. If he's selling 1,500 tickets at the mean average of 60 pound, then he's giving matchroom 90,000 pound every time he fires. So if you can, if you can get Johnny out of, say, six times a year, you'll give him matchroom half and over half a million pound in ticket money. That's, that's something you've got to protect his innocent and you've got to look after. So he's like a, he's like a, he's like a Nathan Heaney. They're really good ticket sellers. They've got that. So it's in their interest. Johnny will pay for that show, the tickets he sells. So it's not a disaster. It hasn't got to sell out. Johnny Fisher would do a lot of catlifting on that one, and it's keeping them all busy. So I can see the sense in it. You want to mute my A? That's right. I'm just kind of curious what kind of purse that Fisher is getting for a fight like this. I haven't, I'd carry, what, like 50,000 maybe? Or do you think you might get that much with his purse plus, like incentives for the tickets they move? Well, he's probably getting a ticket money. I definitely deal. He's on a ticket deal. And I'm like, so I would imagine it structured, we guarantee we'll get you out this many times. And if you can bring us this much revenue, we can guarantee you that much money on top of your purse. I wouldn't like to know. I could dig around and I'll find out, but he's probably on a good number when you think about it. If you're selling 1500 or 2000 tickets, you're probably on a really good deal. I mean, the ticket will absolutely absorb your fight purse. You're definitely on a ticket deal and you're all good. If the Chinese, they'll know whatever that they will pay for the Chinese absolutely, yeah. Giant prawns beware. You're in your chicken balls, pickle balls, or the balls you can hang me, heavy balls. Man, he's like Bubba talking about shrimp. See here. So that one, we have to look forward to that some design action. It's going to be Saturday evening for you all Saturday afternoon over here. And then we got a couple of state side cards. Of course, they're going on at the same time. What are you going to do about that? Actually, there's three of them technically. So let's see here. Let's start with this one, which is the least interesting of them. It's kind of a card of MMA fighters boxing with a decent boxing match with some where you're not quite sure where it could go on there. This isn't a big fight, Andy, but it is vaguely interesting for you. Danny Jacobs taking on Shane Mosley Jr. This is going to be over 10 rounds at 168 it appears, which I think would have to favor Jacobs because I couldn't see him squeezing 160 anymore. This is a big chance for Mosley Jr. Kind of looking for a signature win as he's been on a pretty decent run of form lately and Jacobs would definitely be the name he's been looking for. To be honest with me, I've seen Jacobs's name on Twitter during the week and I've seen obviously making a comeback. I didn't know he was fighting this weekend. I was going through the schedule there before the show. I'm kind of shocked. He's hasn't he fought in two years. You know, you've seen a bit Mosley. He's been active at least. He was in the first December, however, but in terms of the point, I haven't seen what you know, trying to remember. I've seen him as a risado, finding out quite controversial. Well, Jacobs risado. Yeah. John Ryan beat Jacob last time out and before that, Jacobs nicked one off of risado. Before that, he beat Chavez Jr. and before that, he got beat by a different chain cover thing. I mean, I think the two years inactivity is going to hurt Jacobs, but I think he's before that, his run was pretty good because he run John very close and he run gay risado very close and he beat Devon Cenco and he beat Chavez Jr. So before the two years, his run was pretty very respectable, but I'm a review Andy. He's had two years out and I don't quite know what Jacobs has got left, but perhaps maybe Mosley Jr is the perfect opponent for Jacobs to find out because I think Mosley can hurt Jacobs and I don't think Jacobs can hurt Mosley. It's probably the winner can go on to another one, but the loser probably got nowhere to go. That's a fair assessment, I think. I just don't know. I don't know if I put Mosley Jr. mate to be fair. I mean, he's upbeat, but I see he's like my 30s now as well. I mean, it's it's amazing. Shane Mosley Jr is in his 30s. I mean, I think he's probably just talking about Das and you're by if you heard him recently, he sounds absolutely awful. He looks puffy as well, don't you? Yeah, I mean, I'm talking almost terranaurus levels. That's what I'm talking about right now, but mostly by every terms of how he speaks. Yeah, I can't. A trade fight really makes a trade fight. Again, what's what's at the end there? I mean, I don't know what is Mosley Jr. ranked. Wait, you say this was a middleweight, yeah? 168. 168. I see Mosley's ranked at 160, so it's a trade fight mate as well. As if Jacob's Wednesday relatively, I mean, would you pick up says enough name value that he could always get one more title shot if he gets a decent victory and to be fair, the last name mostly same kind of thing, I guess. Let me tell you this, right? If he wins and he somehow gets a world title fight, then he absolutely deserves that alias. It has called a medical man by fair plating, if I can manage to pull out the bike and get the world title fight. I just thought he's been a favorite fighter of mine for a long time. I have a lot of respect for him and what he did. Oh, I mean, he's stretched out in Alvarez, definitely, and he definitely stretched go off in his will. He's a sturdy fighter, and he also was a fairly decent underdog against Quillan, who he fucking got out of there and around. Yeah, it's true, yeah. But I think Mosley's not a puncher, and he's the other side of 30. He's had his chance. It looks to me like they're trying to bring Danny Jacobs back. I agree with you, Mattie. There's an awful lot of weight in Danny Jacobs name. He's got a brilliant back story, so maybe this show has been built to say Danny Jacobs is back and he's just being emotionally. That's how it looks to me. So if he's as a case, and so he's ready, they take it, yeah? No, I don't think so. You know, right? So, okay, if he's coming back on the run, who could he basically be targeting? I mean, Alvarez, no chance. Maybe there's no chance of the wink. I still think, I think that there are definitely holes in him, Billy's game that a guy that a guy who can stay mellow under pressure can absolutely exploit. But Jannebik, we did make one second. I had no point, 160. So then you'll be looking at Morel, when Morel was hungry, he's looking like he's going to want to move. I think Morel moved just 175. Oh, is it? Yeah, I thought he was fighting somebody at 175 coming up. I think with Danny Jacobs's name, as Mattie said, and the fact he is a New York guy, he's from Bransville, I think if you can get Danny Jacobs with a couple of wins, I think maybe an Edgar Belanger's a good fight, an interesting fight. I don't think he's it, but I think it's up a fight that America could buy into, the American public would buy into. What do you think, Mattie? You're right, Matt, and Morel was fighting Hot Rod late heavy for the WBA vacant bill. Yeah, sorry. What was that question? As I was looking for the same information that Andy was looking for, right? I think someone like Edgar Belanger, he hits a certain demographic, he's hot. I think Danny Jacobs got a brilliant back story as a New Yorker. I think that's a type of fight, whereas if we're saying, let's bring Danny Jacobs back with a win, let's bring in a mosey. That's a good name. I think the same all applies for Belanger. Let's bring in a Danny Jacobs. That's a good name. He'd also be right. Well, let me say maybe Berlinga or maybe for Jaime Mongea to build him back up after the Canelo lost. That's a perfect comeback fight for Mongea. I was actually looking at like heavy weight. Actually, if you guys haven't been interested, it might be a feat in Wally Hotchedon. Willie's got to get past, but what's he first, don't he? Or is that a sign I thought he was just ordered? Well, they were going at it. They have a day at the presser. I've not been overall over at this work, but I think that's only an AJ Dubois. That's a good formula, are you? What is that? A British title, or something else? I would imagine that would be for some sort of intercontinent or some sort of eliminator. But what's his past British level, isn't it? Can I ask you something Andy about Willie Hotchedon? I was so impressed with his performance against Craig Richards, and I think there's a lot of miles in Willie. Do you think, but what is he one might be a bit too soon? I don't know, mate. I think it's nozerate team, actually, because what he's been doing, well, what he's been fighting, obviously, since Elena's caught the bike, we obviously got cutting out a feat, but he also didn't get dropped against Elena. Yeah, the really bad night against Lennox. That wasn't representative of Willie, was he? I mean, what we saw against Spider, and I've got a lot of time for Spider, I've got a lot of respect for Spider Richards. Spider's a big, strong, capable guy, and we really took all the play out of Spider, and made him look pedestrian that night. Willie had everything, he had variation, he was spiteful, he knew when to go for a walk, he knew how to tie him up. Willie was a brilliant fight, I don't know. And I'd like Willie to have built on that a bit, and I think there's plenty of light heavies that Willie could have built on that with over the next 12 months, but obviously, this is a big car. There's an awful lot of money involved. Willie was brilliant on that last Saudi card, so this is part of the Riyadh season, so he's going to jump straight into that one, and why not? But I just don't want it to derail Willie's momentum, because he's still a good fighter. Well, I just noticed there days, and it's probably a bit of a qualify, as your point of view, but because it's for the interview, it'll be all built, so it's an opportunity. Good, take the opportunity, you know? And what does the same boat as well make, because how long will it be same, but what's it about? Oh, yeah, this is a hard one for, this is a hard one for Boaz. I mean, he can't take his eye off with you for one minute, this is a hard one, and Willie's only going to get better. So I just I just wanted I'm going to contradict myself here. I just wondered why Willie didn't wait two or three fires, but then again, if you're getting put a brilliant number underneath your nose, and you're fighting for an interim title on a big show, and this is going to be huge, why not take it? You've got to seize the moment. I totally agree. Yeah, so I understand. I understand. Hey, what Danny hums the sheet eyes on the card as well. I'm seeing here. Really? And it looks like, and that's why we say like, I don't want, I don't want Tyler Denny being derailed. Because I think, I think Hamz is on his own, his own pathway, isn't it? And I really like Hamz up. My card, my, have you seen this card for, for Dubois Joshua? No, it's just a decent mate. So you would, Dubois against Joshua, obviously, you could leave Smith against George Kelly, you would tell a penny against Hamz as she does for European title. All right. I'm thinking catch against George Warren for IBF. And I, yeah, I did see that one, and I hate that fight. Because what has Warrington done to earn that? He's one, three, and one in his last five. Yeah, but he's, he gets to catch you that chances be all the way. Yeah, he's coming off at Christina one, man. He's, he can take you to George Warren, to the distance, domestically. I hate that dirty fighting bitch though. Yeah. And then you obviously go back to Rochester. And what you would hope with a couple more other fights to go in there with these little British title levels. It's a good card. It's a really good card. I mean, Liam Smith and Josh Kelly is an interesting man. See what Josh has got, what Liam's got left and what Josh can pull out of the bag. I understand that Warrington and Caesia one, I really do. I think Anthony done ever so well in his last one. And I think Josh will probably think, well, I'm the, I'm the bigger name in this. So it's up, it's up for Anthony now to sort of turn that one around. I think I really like Anthony in that fight. I think I think he was absolutely brilliant against Cordina. I think he showed so many facets and so many angles. I think he didn't know how to turn a fight around. He got off the floor, he punched with the guy. No, I think I think getting Anthony Caesia right now is a hard fight. Yeah. You know, Warrington is usually in decent fights at least. I'll say that I just, he's always in good fight. I just don't like him. Do you know who I do like though? Rob Kelly, who's back joining us again. Don't like me that much. You mean, I'm fucking, they set me up, fucking great. You be saying the one who's up for behalf when you're trying to go on? He said, you gotta keep your eye on William. I was like, yeah, like one's worth prison. Oh, I fucking anyway, backstage. I hope she, I hope she enjoys her something pleasant by everything because she's going to get all the cooks she wants. Well, I'm looking forward to the sequel. Put it that way. Oh, and you guys, you guys are terrible. This is family programming. Oh, shit. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. No, it's not. We know better than that. The love of God. What have we been up to these years? If it is, what kind of maniac is this with the fucking family? Jesus Christ. Oh my God. I don't know. Is the someone who's getting set to lose their family? And on that sad turn, let's move on. Just kill that. I don't know what else is going to be on this, this card yet. I might check over on box or see if I can't find more. But anyone that's loved that from the fight, by the way, loved that Dubois, that's what I do. Yeah, but also, so Rob, you've just stole my thunder. Perfect. Like, I might have got a lot going on. But can we just quickly pull the lads? How do you think the Dubois AJ fight goes? That's all. Well, I like Dubois, kind of like digging at Joshua by the Joshua by the way. Oh, I like that. But I'm kind of wondering if Joshua puts it like he did against Nganu. I think he could potentially not good Dubois, actually. But at the same time, if Dubois can cut worse on Joshua, I think he'd also got a chance. It's intriguing, but I found to Joshua to pull it off. The big, it's a big interest fight, isn't it? Like, to everyone. It's been broing the spiron stories back in the fucking mix. There's a bit of needle there between the two of them. I like this version of AJ's, but I always think he should just let Joshua off the lease, because you don't know what the fuck he's going to come out with. Like, that he's probably better. I think Eddie was afraid to market him as he is, like, as a bit of a fucking nose cannon. Like, I think that's where he came up with the stay on, but then you get a tree watching and, you know, I like this version of Joshua. Just let him off the lease, like, fuck the fuck up. He's had his losses now. He's not the fucking gentleman. He's not what they said he was. We know that now, but he's still a very good operator. Like, and this is a fucking really good fight. Like, I saw, I think it was Peter Furrier, someone taught saying that they gave Joshua the edge on experience. I do. I think he's going to be a little bit too hard for Dubois, but Dubois showed in the hug, which he could fucking fight dirty. He could fight ugly. There was always question in my ax about him with the jacket. You know, what's his gas tank right? Don't think there's any shame when you see the fury performance against Usek in Dubois performance against Usek, and I don't think he can tell much by both of their losses against Usek between Joshua and Dubois who's going to come out on top. I think Joshua would be a little too hot for him with the jab and everything. But if Dubois, like I said, is shown that he can do the fucking ugly stuff, and I would like fight dirty a little bit, use his head a little bit. He's come along under Donk Charles, and I always say this right, because it's like fucking Rob Kennedy rule it. Like when Joshua's name is brought up, we're past six rounds, past six rounds, it always gets ropy. And I'd be like, two with aim at Wembley, big domestic clash, go past six rounds anyway. And then that's when the drama comes in for the neutral. Like, because you don't know what way it's going to go. Zag is going to blow a gasket. Dubois is going to blow a gasket. Both of them have a fucking shown vulnerabilities. Like, and both of them are big, big punches too. Dubois probably maybe a bigger one punch hitter than Joshua, but Joshua's done against a bit of a higher level, but he can fucking punch the ball. Like he can definitely whack. So it makes it really interesting. And the fact that there's a bit of needle between the two of them now, even though Dubois is not a great talker by any stretch, and it's making it really interesting for me, really, really, really exciting fight as well. I think, I think AJ is fragile. And this is Daniel Dubois will be the best opponent AJ's fault since Usek. So I think Daniel is more cavalier than AJ will be. Me personally, if I was Dubois, I wouldn't let AJ get a foothold in the fight. I'd make it uncomfortable from the very start, for Anthony. I let Dubois use his size and his power, because he has got those things. And we mustn't underestimate the importance of Don Charles in this, because Don has known AJ for the last 15 years. And he's had him in the gym, he knows him intimately, he knows the family. I think Don could be a key component in this. Ultimately, I think it's how Dubois starts. If he's proactive, if he's aggressive, if he uses his size, I think we might see all AJ showing improvement under Ben Davidson. We've not seen him in with a fighter as good as Daniel Dubois yet. Now, guys, I appreciate that we withstood all of this, but I think you guys' memories are a little bit short. Do you recall how many right hands Dubois ate off of Hergovich? I don't know that he can eat that many off of AJ. Remember the right hands he torched and gone with? He's gonna have to tighten up. I understand where y'all are coming from, but I reckon AJ to be a bit more of a puncher than Hergovich to be. And if he can't keep that right hand off of them, he's gonna get fucking blasted. I've got to assume, though, that listen, we've noticed that we've all said it. I've got to assume the people in the Daniel Dubois training business will be noticing that too. And that will be the first directive. Well, how could they miss it? He looked like a fucking bobblehead for the first six minutes of the fight. But he did adjust. He did make slight adjustments. He did double up on his jab. He did make it a little bit less easy for Hergovich to get his right hand off. I'm not saying that. What was what? I heard you Hergovich fell off a cliff. There was a lot going on, but I'm absolutely certain that the people behind Daniel Dubois will be saying, you cannot let this guy have three shots on you. So Daniel Dubois will be aware of that. I'll be straight with you, Mattie. I've got more more faith in Daniel Dubois mental toughness than I have any Joshua's. And that's what I think this fight might come down to. I kind of, and this is going to sound terrible. I kind of think Dubois is a little on the slow side of things. And I could see where you're coming from. And that would help because he's not going to fucking overthink in a fight. He's just going to kind of do his thing. And let's be clear, Mattie. Everything you said about Hergovich tearing off on Dubois in the first six minutes is true. Daniel never folded. Daniel stuck at it. And I'm a believer in your learn from experiences. And I really think the joyous experience and the oosic experience has made Daniel Dubois a better fighter, a better character. I think he's got a resilience about him. You'll never ever see him go down that road again. He's made them choices. He won't do it again. AJ made similar choices against Andy Ruiz. We're dealing with two fragile minds here. I've just got more faith in Daniel Dubois than I've any Joshua. Yeah, I guess I could see it, but I don't know. I'm team AJ. Are you guys going to bar? No, I don't have a heart and a raise in terms of a favor. I think the Joshua win keeps the fury fight alive. Although I think we're seeing fury on the way out no matter what. Do we want to see a tired oosic AJ fight? No, unless he like proves to be fucking emphatically different in this next time out. So don't think any of those guys can be oosic. Let's see him fucking fight each other. Like I wouldn't be like crying or whatever. If Daniel Dubois goes off the upset, he fucking deserves his chance. He deserves his second whack at oosic like so or fury or whatever. But I just think it's a massive fight and anything to happen. And I think it's just going to be exciting. But I do think Andy Joshua's just a little bit too hard when I'm straight shots down the middle. Maybe the upper court had to play. I think Dubois would be there for him. And it's not even that I think like there's a sad only equipped, but he might get knocked out back. But either way, Joshua would get knocked out too. It's a fucking 50-55 for me. I can't really call it, but give Joshua a slight edge. He's a good fight. He's a really good fight. And he's hard. He's a flip of a coin one at a moment. Yeah. And that's if they're putting a good card around it. Looking forward to that. So September will be interesting. I don't know how much how interesting July is going to be, at least off to the start here. We got a card in California at the Toyota Arena. And the undercard is is gunk. Alex Martin, who is now 18 and five, taken on Pedro Compa. That one, it actually might turn out okay. As far as entertainment goes, meaningless fight. You got Jaffa Thly Yamado against Ryan Lee Allen, who is 10-7 and 1 at this time. See here. You got a 24-2 Ricardo Rafael Sandoval, 24-4, and Angel Acosta. That one could be a good one at Flyweight. But the main event actually is interesting. Williams Cepeda, taken on Giovanni Cabrera. Why do I think this fight is interesting, gentlemen? Because Cabrera was able to go the distance with Isak Cruz, and that was a split decision loss. He had a fair argument in that fight. So I think this is a good measuring stick at the very least, Des, to see how Williams Cepeda and his pressure fighting does against a guy who's already proved that he can befuddled. These guys who fight on the front foot with what he likes to do in the ring. I think Cabrera has had a good run as well. I think he's beaten some very good guys with very good records. The Isak Cruz was a split. I think that Zapeda will beat him. I think Zapeda will be a bit too hot. I think Zapeda is part of that group now. I'm not going to say a league, but he's in a higher Championship of world class. I'm hot on Zapeda. I think he's a really good fighter. I think Cabrera will be a good test for him. I think Cabrera will ask questions of him, but I think Zapeda will. I think Zapeda beats him. Yeah, I'll tell you, if Cabrera gets to the cards, I think that would be an impressive enough feat in itself. But he's got good formatting. Cabrera's got good formatting. He's got good form, and he's got fire through his own right. It's not quite Maxi Hughes and Zapeda. He's more than that, but he's a good fighter in his own right. He's been in a really good company, but he's going against a very good kid. Yeah, and Andy, I think if Zapeda can make Cabrera fold, I think that considering the opposition Cabrera has had the performance against Cruz, people are really going to be barking about Zapeda as the dark horse in the division, the guy that Lucas Matisse used to be at 140, who became a very avoided fighter and who the fans start to get behind to say give him these fights. What are you thinking? Yeah, but in terms of future fights, Matisse, do you think you'll make Cabrera quit? I think would be the better question. All right. Well, there's always a possibility. I mean, obviously, Cabrera, because he's fighting Flores, I mean, Flores was going with that bad beating of Lopez, I'm sure, and Cabrera's beating widely. You're right, but the Cruz fight, he's putting more and looking about showing than what many people expected him to do, but it all hinges on whether he always have paid a... I think he does stop him, I think he stops him doing the stretch. Whether Cabrera gets a title fight directly off the back, it's another matter, but I'm just trying to... He's a 140 fighter, isn't he? So, he's a payer. So, otherwise, 135, 135, sorry. So, the public didn't do that, they'll be boring, but I wouldn't be surprised what to see it. I don't want to go home. I like to see he's a payer against, I guess, no more Cenco, but I don't see it happening because of maybe some of the kind of political situation that they're wearing. Davis, I don't see that when it happened, I'd shaker Stevenson's fighting next week as well. I think they've got another plan for him, possibly. So, again, Zapeda, I think he probably sits in the shelf after his fight until he gets the call, probably for a mandatory defense to go to push a bit of something like this, is it? Who's branching with, again, actually, is he still with the zone? Well, that fight was on top rank, wasn't it? You fought never ready, so I don't know. But they're keeping the payer away from punches as well. So, I want to know why they're doing that. Maybe they're just marinating and waiting for them because time is a big part of it. I do think Zapeda's a very good fighter, I think he's high up on that world-class list, but he doesn't seem to fight punches. So, it'd be interesting if he gets through this one, what's he like against a puncher? Yeah, that's a very good question. That's a very good question. Rob, do you have any thoughts on this fight? Wafari? Ah, yeah, yeah. William's a payer against Giovanni Cabrera. Um, Zapeda, stop it. Going to stop it, you okay? And this fight, this one might be more interesting for you there, Rob, but I'm going to start with the undercard and work our way up to the main event here. Let's see here. What do we have going on here? Abdullah Mason is going to be on here against Luis Lebron. That's going to be a lightweight. I've seen Luis Lebron fight Henry Lebron. That was an interesting night. Calvin Davis against Kevin Johnson, not Kingpin. This is a welterweight contest. William Foster the third coming back from his defeat taken on Erudson Garcia over 10 rounds at 130 pounds. Keishon Davis taking on Miguel Medueno. I know you guys know that name. That's going to be a lightweight contest over 10. And then a title fight, Oshaki Foster taking on Hobson Consaceau who's getting another shot. He really does give these guys a good run. What are your thoughts on this undercard? We'll go to Dez first on this one and we'll wrap it around. I like the activity of Keishon Davis. I like the level they're keeping him at. I like Medueno. I watched him box a couple of months ago. I can't think of it beat now. I'll have to look it up. Let's have a quick check. He beat, yeah, he beat Justin Paldo and he looked good that night and I think Keishon wins. But I like the activity and I like the level they're keeping them at. They've obviously got high hopes for Keishon Davis. Stevenson, it's a win. Oshaki Foster, one of my favorite guys. It's a hard one. Someone's going to catch Oshaki Foster right because he's boxing at a good level consistently. It does an awful lot of rounds. I'm not sorry to be Robson Consaceau or whatever he's a good fighter. I think it's a straight win for the top three, but it'd be interesting to see how Shaki Foster deals with him. The problem that Oshaki I think that he makes is that he's is a very good fighter, but he's needed these late hat rounds heroics to secure these last couple of victories he's had. He can't keep just getting over the line though. He's being matched tough because I think he was one of these guys that wasn't meant to be there. They sort of like they got from a little bit more money and he just goes with it, but I think he's a talent. I think he's a really special fighter. I think he's turned a lot of fighters over as an away fighter, but I think you can't keep just getting over the line. So someone's going to catch him out. I hope I'm wrong. I don't think he'll be Robson, but he can't keep having someone like Foster's got to have, if you haven't free a year, maybe you have a hard one, easy one, hard one, but he seems to have consistently hard ones. Yeah, this has been a good level of competition. He's gone from Rocky Hernandez to Abraham Nova to Consey South, and all these guys have given other good fighters a hell of a night. But Andy, what are your thoughts on this undercard? I'm just going through it again, just know me. It's looking okay, such. I'm interested to catch on Davis right because they're the Mexico actually quite ready. Yeah, that's the thing. I just wondered if, I remember a key shot on his last fight, he can ride shots, he does that kind of shoulder roll, he comes back with a straight right hand, good fighter as well. So a bit interesting to see, and his day says he is kept at a set level at this point, which he needs development at this point. Miss Andy, can you see the difference when a team fancied their fighter? When a team no way could he is? We're talking about it to Pader now after three fights. I think he's asked about 26 of them. They still won't put him in with a puncher, but with Kinshaun, you're right. I think that's a big part of the day with the promoter those days, because I think also it's got a big part, big problem, whereas top rank always, he was trying anyway, not always getting ready to always see me try and get the fighters the right fighters at the late time in March and top win at Mars. But Madduano is live, he's someone that can really catch you, and I think it's really, I think it's adventurous, I think it's brave, but I think it says an awful lot about the relationship of the promoter and the fighter and the trainer must all have, say no, because when that name was, they would have put two or three names on a bit of paper and they said, now let's have that one. So I mean, I like that, I like the type of matchmaking. I think it might be foster conscious hours now, isn't it the main event to take it? So, it's on that one, I would just say, I'll go foster on points conscious. I was a decent fighter, but again, he is one, he does enough to lose fights or not to draw a fight and I fancy foster is, he's been on that, he's done it the hard way again, when you talk about guys on the road sometimes, it's been across the Rika, he took his opportunity over to Dubai against your book, so you book off, and he just went on this incredible run, picked up a title, so you've got to give him a lot of respect and that as well, good at kind of late on his kind of pro career, what is he, 30, 31, 32, he's got to be around there. Yeah, so whatever he is mate, he's a very good fighter, I don't think he beats conscious hour, I'm not going to say handedly, but I think he beats him on points, he probably started pulling away during the stretch, I think, because I think conscious hour, it's always any flatter through the CV, he does enough in rounds, but it doesn't do too much. I think, for example, the vowel days fight, the vowel days fight for me was there for him, it'd be one, and he took his foot off a gas, two offing rounds, and then he'd do enough, and it was there for me to win it, so, and I think foster with his IQ, and his ability box, and just think of himself, through fights, will be more enough to beat conscious hour. Well, yeah, it's a good amateur back in his day, by the way. Well, especially given the one thing that you can really pick rounds off of Foster with his activity, as Nova proved in the year. Yeah, try and press him, try and press him, but I do think conscious hour's got that, he's known the same fight, he's known that type of fighter mate, conscious hour's more year, he has a boxer mate, but he's known the same kind of, I don't think he's got the aggression of such to be fair mate, but he might surprise you, to me, this is his last opportunity, this is his third world title fight, I'm sure, because it seems-- Something like that. It seems like Steemus was his second title fight, and as I said, I asked you, Steemus missed the weight, that's what it was, I completely forgot about that, but yeah, this is his last opportunity, I think, obviously, because he drew another 80 in that as well, so that's, that should be his fourth chance. I don't think there's a fifth after us one, if he doesn't win it. Yeah, it's a rough road, we'll see if Kansay Salk can finally put it over the line, is a former Olympian for Brazil, as if I recollect, as such, but let's get to the main event, Shakur Stevenson, taking on Artem Hartunian, Rob is a guy, can a guy named Hartunian be the guy named Shakur, that's the question. Shakur sounds like he's fighting in the fucking prequel, House of Dragon, or something, whatever, who is the guy he's fighting, one of the Targaryens. Or someone who was related to Jackie Mason's character on Caddy Shak 2. Frank Martin beat this guy on point, so I'm sure, yeah, and Artemian had an argument in that fight. Yeah, but they knew he was a good drop, he could drop late, not a fight, I'm sure. The one time I kind of, I'll have to fight, I've seen him as a vicious knock out without Sammy Molina and Jeremy, going to fight some seniorist guy, Stevenson should have his way with this guy, I think, depending on what, again, we talked about Lopez last night, fighting down at a level, I guess, it looked like he could have went up a few gears, I think you could see some of his statements in a row, he was a flatter, he's based last performance, if he comes in doing the same in this fight, it does not answer, he's stalked, it really does, he's got to come in here and look impressive, I think. It's one of the dogs me lately, isn't it, with Stevenson, he's shown that he's in the mold of ability wise of a book Crawford or an Andre Wilde, but like, fucking put people to sleep, like he's not fucking, you know what I mean, and that division is wide open for big fights to get made, he's probably on paper, or not on paper, whatever, but just on the ice ice, he's probably the best of the bunch, but you can't go out and fuck them, bore people to tears when Ryan Garcia and fucking Devin Haney and Tank and all these guys, T.A. FEMA, rather passing last night, to provide more entertainment, to put more assets in seats, and they've all got real estate in respective divisions, and so, of course, Stevenson, I don't give a fuck out of time that he has to fucking, it's a bit of, it's a touch of the work on those, like, not that, not, not getting to that level or whatever, like, but he has to go on engaged, he has to go through the gears and he has to look good doing it, if he wants to get himself into big fights, because he can be as good as he wants, he's sitting there with world titles, but the name of the game these days is big fights, big money fights, now maybe Turkey will have a say in this and start bringing them all together, like he's been doing in the higher weights, I could see that maybe happening too, and taking an ocean and start putting a fucking big money fight together between Heyman Gervante down the line, but Stevenson needs to hold up his end of the bag and they'll ensure all the stuff that he has and put the fucking exclamation point on the finish as well and get somebody who doesn't deserve to be in the ring with him out of there. I think Floyd corrupted the market, didn't he, Rob, in that we all see Floyd sort of at the peak at 147 where he was a defensive genius and he made counter punch boxing box office, he made it sell, but it was so much more to Floyd, and he had, you know, he had that legacy of four white divisions before he got to world to weight, and he was a man he had bad news that was the way to we had to just explain and that's why he closed down a lot of those fights, he would have seen him couple of girls guys earlier and I think he had a lot of marketability, he come at the right place at the right time, the 24/7 show is really fell in love with Floyd and his family and it worked, but I think for young fighters like maybe Devon or Shekka, they've got to put a bit more work in before they can start taking fights like that, and I totally agree with you, I think Stevenson has got to, he's got to put, you know, forced up on this one, he's got to show us how good he is and he's got to put a little bit behind his shots now because there's a possibility, you know, the wider audience could lose a lose interest in Shekka at the moment. That's your, that's why I kind of think, I know we just talked about him, but I think that William Zapata is the perfect dance partner for Shekka or Stevenson, he or or or Esak Cruz, he needs someone who is going to force him to work, who is going to try, who's going to have a chance to cut off the ring, who's going to let their hands go and in that time we'll see if he'll fold under the pressure of a good strong pressure fighter who can keep up with them, or if he can really pull out this other gear that so many people claim he has. Yeah, a lot is a beat of five, has a brilliant fight for Stevenson. Unfortunately, the odds of that happening are Bobkiss roughly, you know, but because, you know, politics involved, et cetera, et cetera, but I don't know, it's, Shekka really does need to put in a good performance, I think. And, but you know, Rob, I'll say a couple of fights ago, he just had, he had that victory over the, God, the Japanese fighter and he stopped him in four rounds. Yeah, no, I agree with it. And then he set it up like he was going to, he was going to fucking kick on from there and become the main man that people wanted to watch like it, and he fucking put everybody to sleep. And then he retired. Yeah, and then he retired. I don't know how much we do as well. Garcia, Garcia has gone in and got himself a band. He'd be back in a big fight before, of course, Stevenson watch. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. And I mean, it's, well, and I think a part of that is just the, you know, Garcia has reasonably interesting fights at times and stuff like that, but he's just the character that he is. I mean, it was, he's had a crazy couple of weeks here for sure. There's no lie about that. But anyhow, anyone have any final thoughts on the Shakur Stevenson? Just a step up, really. It's what he's going to do. He's going to shut and get off the port and there's Rob says, I mean, Davis, Loma, he mentioned Garcia, if you want, he was with the drug taste now, but we still, we sort of taken risks and fought some of these top guys and Stevenson's still kind of like fluffing on the fucking sideline tier. It's a bit timey stepped up for some of these guys. I just wish these boomers would stay retired, you know? But anyhow, also, there's going to be a card from Japan, which I believe is going to be going on the very morning that before we get this kicked off, actually, probably afternoon for you, going to have a title unification between Francisco Martinez and Kazuto Ioka. I think that this is a really high level fight. Absolutely looking forward to this one. Andy, what are your thoughts on this one? I mean, this back to back weeks with big, meaningful, super flyweight fights. You talking to me, mate? Yeah, I said, I mean, I've had a disaster there. I've had a fucking disaster. I went to go open my boat, I was getting my fucking caucus snapped and the fucking neck of the boat. I am human right there. I'm gatted for you. Fucking raging, man. I'm going to get my specimen a footmate. Okay, I know you. I'm going to send this over to Des and I'm going to give you a chance. So, Des, give me your thoughts on this and then Andy will know what we're talking about. Well, before we do that, Andy, we've seen a new type of cool kitchen by now, where it's like a needle goes in in the air pressure and you can never ever break your cook in the bottle again. All right, I'll send you a picture. Yeah, my son bought me one for fathers, but they're very genius. Sorry, Mattie. We'll see you. What's the question, mate? I do. And we're back to square one. Francisco Martinez against Kazuto Ioka, Japan, Sunday. I don't know much about that one, Mattie. I'm going to have to take your lead on that. Oh, man, here we are. So, Martinez, he kind of kind of came out of nowhere. I'm trying to think, didn't he beat Sherwin in chaos to pick off his title originally? If I'm thinking correctly, he's just a, he's a savvy fighter. He's not the biggest puncher, but he really puts them together. Very balanced. It's hard to turn them and put them out of position. But I mean, Ioka is just such a stellar fighter. He's been in big fights so many times. The moment's not going to get to him. The question for me is, is Ioka had one too many fights? He's been in a lot of vicious fights. And yeah, he's come out on top in the vast majority of them. But how many are, is too many at this point in time, I wonder. But this is an exceptional fight. Andy, are you back together again? Dude, I'm just putting fire at a place of this. I've saved the day mate. I've got an empty bowl of whiskey. I took the fucking clock out of that one. And they said, so what was the question, Matt? What was the question? Originally, what was the question? I did not hear what you said, Mattie. I did disappear. We're talking about Ioka and Martinez for the love of God. So, Ioka against Martinez. Sunday, I won't see it. But I will definitely try and catch up with it. So I remember it. Obviously, I make Ioka the favourite. Obviously, Martinez is going to do two wins against the Karas, which by the way, I think we said for long enough that Karas was probably the way he does one of the less of champions at that point. But at the same time, it's a decent of fight. I just don't think Martinez is possibly going to experience in the poverty deal with Ioka. Ioka's, even though he's in the back end, he's clear mate. He's looking phenomenal just now to be fair as well. Maybe the Franco way, drawing that as well was a better kind of black mark, but he did look good against the eighties. And again, another one who's got a decent raise at me. So, like the rest of Martinez to go out of the way, Japan to do this, but I fancy Ioka, I suspect he wins. I'm going to go. I'm going to say, does it weigh late stoppage? Late stoppage. Okay. All right. Now, do you have enough information? Do you think to make an informed opinion does? Well, Ioka is one of the dominant champion superfly, isn't he? So, I don't know much about Martinez. I'm looking at his resume now, 16 wins, no losses, 9 by KO. So, he's a capable operator. He's a world champion himself. I'm going to look, you have to be a very, very good kid to be a Japanese champion in Japan. So, if I had to go with someone, I'm going to go with Ioka, purely because he's the home fighter, he's a promoted fighter. And I think he's got a lot more experience than Martinez, but it's a good fight. It's a genuinely good fight. Yeah, and the books have Martinez as an underdog, but only slightly. He's just hanging us over even money at this point in time. Rob, I know you don't usually have many thoughts on the little guys. Do you have any thoughts on this one? Tony, Ioka is a young fellas. I haven't a shot. I haven't seen these guys. I probably very rarely watch them fly your superflyway boxing before Andy's influence. And he starts talk a little chocolatito. That weight division, people put a gun to my head and they wouldn't know who the fucking champion was for the last 30 years. So, I'll pass on that one, dude. What was the question? Mattie, Mattie, just on what I've just started looking at there, you know, looking at my seniors, I'm going to think I Ioka wins out on points. Oh, points. Okay. What do you think? What do you think? I think that this is, sorry, I'm leaning towards a draw. I'm actually leaning towards a draw on this one. I think that I think that Martinez has more than most people are going to expect. He's a he's a decent fighter. Franco came in there and he was able to pick a draw off of off of Ioka in their first affair. And I wouldn't be shocked if this one winds up a draw as well. I actually think I'm gonna put I'm gonna put a few bucks on the draw on this one. He said, "You're a fucking prediction. You're a divided jack of boxing predictions. I've always got to draw on you." Oh, I thought you were going to say that I typically draw with the house. And and and and what the winner fights, Bam. I think that would be fantastic. Yes, you do, isn't it? Yeah, I'm against who's already against the winner of this fight. All right. Oh, I mean, I was talking a bit of one of those fights. He's one Ioka. Yeah, I think that's a good I think I think that's how we bring it all together. I think Bam's a stand down in division and Ioka is a dominant champion at division. So the winner reminds me as Ioka. Let's bring him over and fight Rodriguez or send Bam over to if he's Japan, send Bam over to Japan. I wonder what way you expect this to be at Bam and weight, yeah? No, this is 115. They're all. No, I'm seeing if Bam was to face Ioka, I mean, expecting Bam and go up to 118, you face him. No, Ioka's a 115. No, superfly. Pull Ioka's up, but why don't we? No, you know, no. All right, I must have got that wrong. We might think about it when he teed in Nakatani. I was talking about Nakatani a little. Yeah, you was. Yeah. And that I'll tell you what, that's a fight that's a shame that never happened. It's a shame that Ioka against Nakatani never happened. That would have been a good fight. Just the weight that kind of really bollocks that fight, I think. Well, it didn't knock it, wasn't Nakatani at 112 and he just skipped 115. It had to be me, he was massive, but he's like, he's like, he is massive. He is massive. So, but yeah, the class of the column. Oh, man. So, yeah, anyhow, and I guess this week, I'm gonna have to give a value of the week to myself because we really didn't get the value of the week together this week. Jay has been helping to cry. He's a member. Jay's a member of the Nutter's group and he's actually on a student exchange in China right now. And I'm worried that, you know, maybe he's been like imprisoned or something. I assure you guys, we started to go from me for a minute. Hi, Jay Slater. It was close to it, but I did not say that he is a Uyghur. You're close, but no, it was with me. Well, if he was a Uyghur, then he's fucked, he's fucked. Yeah, no, it's not. He's trying to listen. He's safe to knowledge that he won't be listening to us tonight because YouTube is abandoned in China. So, he's got no internet connection. He's getting full of every now and then, we can follow about secret police or ever stuff. Great bunch of lodges Rob says, "You enjoy it." Great group. What about you? They're waiting for us. Dude, if they give me Soma and I just get to have like crazy anonymous sex and crazy rooms like in the, you know, like Brave New World, that's all right. Soma sounds awesome. Wouldn't you guys take the Soma? I can get like, just like chill all the time. What's that? I've never, have you ever actually never read Brave New World or? No, no, okay. Anyway, anyway. I kind of didn't know of it. I didn't read them. No, no, it's all this Huxley. Anyhow. So, and I guess another value of the week for me there for assuming that Andy has read all this Huxley, and I guess I'll give you guys all value of the week domination for not paying a lick of fucking attention in the last 15 minutes. Also, I'll throw that one, thanks. It was you talking. Also, I'm going to give one for Ryan Garcia for his continued antics and all the bullshit around him. He was a scene playing celebrity poker, and he appeared like he was on some sort of an upper to me, but no one will either confirm nor deny that. Quelude. God, one would be great if they brought back. Bludes. Anyhow, Andy, do you got any nominees? Let's speak. Yeah. Well, I need you to take one pill at the details. We'll be sitting here, but I will probably need you to fire one and for the judge's last name. What was his name? No, remember, we're going to do the Adelaide bird. Oh, that'll lead but one. Yeah, we didn't do that, right? Okay, ma'am. I posted one in the chat there, actually. It was a heavy week fight last week between two debutants in Detroit. Anthony Pays, Pupulu, I think it's against Christian Rodriguez. This Christian Rodriguez guy, I swear to God, go click on the mic, I'll just click on the leg, you don't like the name of the chat there, mate, if you saw him, get it in for us. This guy must be 350 bills. I kid you not. This guy is your cousin or tight member's partner, by the way. There we go. Got a search of that, boy. Absolutely outrageous, man. How that gets to fucking fighting the professional boxer, and get that put on bokshrek anyway, but I can't help. I need to get somewhere I can clip these video content from Twitter. Oh, my God. I can't believe it's not Butterbean. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and put this link in the chat for anyone who wants to see this. This one for the Ryan Garcia, as well. I put the marks here, this guy, mate. It's like, how is he going to do this? Does it feel like that guy was getting basically getting to negotiate his ban? You know, he'll give you a pair of fine, and you'll get a name on band members and stuff. Should that money number gone to Devin Henny, for example, as well? You know, he's going to call his damage, but that's fine. He's going to sue him. Well, that as well, right? But you see, he's been damaged without fighting potato as well. You know, so fucking dude needs to get that stupid. He's basically asking questions. Anyway, it's like member of the matter of fuck to him, because he only fights once. I fucking hear anyway. Yeah, it's ridiculous. You drink in gamble. He's a fucking go away pregnant. If you only fans models, marry him, divorce him, turn to God again, and then he'll be back in fucking nine one time in a big fight like before. Of course, he was in the money man. I think you said he's dating Iggy Azela, or wherever you say that, fuck it. He's coming overweight. He's not made the weight, which is a liberty. He's popped for PEDs. He's won the fight. He's enhanced his own brand. He's reduced Devin Henny's brand, and he's going to have a he's going to have a year out, which is pretty much one fight for Ryan. And when he comes back, you're probably getting an extortion amount of money, because there's a circus factor to Ryan Garcia, and we'll know he's a good fighter anyway. So, this hasn't harmed Ryan Garcia at any way, shape, or form. And when you see how Ryan's dealt with his and how he's, I'm not saying he got away with it, but how he just held his hands up. So, it's going, yeah, I'll take it. It makes it, it makes the connabense situation even more laughed about it. And how bad that's been handled, doesn't it? Because he could have gone on and done fucking Baden in tears, done a Paris Morgan interview with Said, you know, I fucking had to, to have me in Bohemian Grove, I kind of see it too much. You know what I mean? Fuck that thing. Fuck in this thing. I've seen with Donald Trump and then I popped up. You put, you do the math and all his fans are like, yeah, I'm fucking right. And I don't want to go back on that again, but just, I'll just say quickly, if, if Barry, if Barry Herney saying we could have done things differently, and Eddie Hearn said there's been some mistakes made, and Frank Smith saying we've spent too much time on this, if that's what they're saying publicly, what are they thinking the same privately? I mean, this has been a monumental bull's up, isn't it? Do you think they don't care now that they got the tag? Yeah, I think that's been a, that's been a game changer for them. I think the cards gave us change for that. They had to solely concentrate on the zone. They had to bring through it as own fighter. They had to have domestic UK guy. AJ has gone cold. Connor Ben was fucking, he was the man when he was making a speech about his heated seats, and everybody believed him, and any part part that anybody was like, and it was a fight to begin with. Nobody wanted it, and they ended up with so much egg on their face that they had to focus. They had no choice but the back, I'm like, well, now I think if that had, if they had already had that Turkey, I'll take one of you over to say, I see Connor Ben, see you two years pal. Do you know what I mean? And I think, I think the financial landscape definitely changed for them, isn't it? I'd like to know what the financials for the U Bank and Ben fight, which they were pushing so, so hard. I wonder how that compares to what Eddie's doing now with a 5v5 and a Duper RNA general. That stacks cards. So I think the financial landscape, well, like you said, it's definitely changed. Probably two other ones for me, Matt, it would be the Andy George, what kind of flexing against Andrew Dubois after trying to do it. The side is going to stand up for himself and give him a bar chart back. And one, I think the last one for me would be one for UCAD. The issue of a four-year ban against a boxer called Moses Cleros, who could be in four rounds. I think it was against Growly 5 for cocaine, right? So, as I said, you're drawing girls here, kind of out here fucking drugs, getting nine-month bans, and you've got a guy here who's got a four-year ban. However, Matt, it's not the reason that UCAD gave him a four-year ban, it's the issue. The issue is the guy died back in March in UCAD, I shoot the guy with a four-year fucking ban. And then, I should retweet it. I actually retweeted the initial tweet for the ban and fucking deleted it. So, if I had to walk it back, the BBC carried it. So, yeah, one for UCAD made up. I thought that was say, I thought it was going to let us say. It was because it reminds me back to the days. I remember it was WBO, WBO, WBO had a fighter who died and had them ranked, and they're like ranking for like two months afterwards. I thought, "I forget his name." Anyways. Good job, wasn't it? I was like, "Oh, now he's dead. Now he's dead. Maybe we could consider having the ban." Well, he's going to serve every fucking day in that ban. I can tell you that. That was a ridiculous ban, though. You're right in what you're saying, like, talking, if he takes a fucking wetter color, if he does a bit of a scaf face all the night before a fight, he's now putting himself in a position where it's performing, it's enhancing, where you guys see, he was putting all the... Well, you guys see, he came to the ring looking like he was jacked over the weight by three pounds and looking like a fucking J.I. Joe smashed David Haney up, and then, he's going to take the ban and he'll be back next year and look. And it was fucked up. It's like looking at his hand-ticks and you're like, "It's sort of God that guy's on cocaine." One more, sorry. One more, something. I'll give this one to Anthony Joshua for the response to Carol Frost. Carol Frost? Absolutely. As the user went by, I'm actually getting to appreciate him more, actually, because he's a top fucking troll. Top troll. And he's getting everybody that you bite on and bite on. The way he fucking got Josh about to bite on it, I think Johnny Nelson is now committing to say something along the lines is that Joshua took the bait. He should know what Carol Frost is like. And I've asked a bit, Carol's got one of the dry things with humours, but he's also, this man, maybe he puts it across, he can draw you into the point that you've become a bit of a hater a bit, so I've been getting to appreciate that a wee bit, so I, he's just dangled the car up man and fucking put it back. I'm going to say something controversial. I think Carol Frost has told his good friend, Ross's patter. It takes a lot of cues from Parki Ross, kind of fresh stuff, like a lot of his content is coming from fucking Ross and that, like, but he's just got in the paint job, but his opinion is why he didn't just, it was brilliant. It was absolutely brilliant to actually, I love it too. I have to say, like, Frost over the years, well me up for different, but as a fighter, campy question, his resume, campy question, his legacy, campy question. And yeah, he's given it a right go, go on YouTube. I really enjoyed him, like, he's fucking these good values, like he fucking, he's kind of eating. He's even got the wife on it for like, I can do stuff for that. She doesn't be cracking up laughing in the background, and obviously, like, we're at the prime Wellington. She's just like feeding the bill at us now, right, or just loading them in the gun, and they brought you a firearm for any problem. He said he had a puppet in the hole, as well, as you're shooting. I'm seeing what's up, going such a real gongo. I've been the onion ring, he's a cheap bastard. Right in here, fleece, nothing right in here. Right in here, I've done an update every year. There's Joshua flying here, like, saw the radio on private jets, first, like, a carish man, that only approached, could actually even dream of it. Fucking hell. It's all about levels, man, isn't it? It's all about levels, it's frustrating. That's two in a row, don't know, he's after getting on on fucking steels. Like, he's got John Furrier, and he's got Joshua with the bike. Like, he was going to be next to getting fucking... Frank, I'm going to go to the next thing. Frank doesn't give a fuck about it, though. He goes to the town, because that would have been all fucking everything. Oh, but Frank here's because Frank caused him cowfrock. Yeah, I think that Grove's fight still sticks and Frank's crawl a little better. Nobody's fighting with it, you know? You might be right there. The first ghost fight was like, "No, that's not putting any on the map, sure." See that result, the first fight, that was really catapulting maps from being the leading box in promotion in the UK for how many years it was, or whether it was to Frank, or he should have gathered again, eh? Yeah, because I couldn't keep on the podcast, because they looked to it with that one by, because taking it to where he was a master fucking gamble, they did the thing, it was going to be $80,000. The two of them had done just such a good job of selling it, groves, groves, and frotches. They'd never seen somebody mind games frotches before. Ward beat him with one hand, but he didn't give him much in the... You know, Andrew was a bit of a moplic, and he just took the character in the press run, and he didn't give really frotches the engagement. He was looking for it, so he couldn't rat them. And then Grove's rat was frotches. We'd never seen that before, and he was tripping over his words, and you could see he fucking had got to him in the fight, but I knew Grove was toast when he came in for the rematch on the London bus. I said, "This fellow's fucking gone, man, all God." I backed him in the first fight. I was like, "He's getting knocked down tonight." Like, "What's he doing there?" Well, Rob, while you're talking there, do you have any nominees this evening? No, I was going to nominate Joshua as well for it. I like this from Joshua, though. I like that he's letting them off the fucking leash a little bit. He's not the fucking PRO, but that he was before, because I think that was too much pressure on him. I think if he let him be himself, he'll probably be a better fighter, and it makes him want to entertain in contact. Like, don't talk to me like that, you know, dash this chair of your face, you know. Don't tolerate this respect, Daniel. That's where he kept a call from Daniel. Was amazing. So, yeah, I want to give it to Joshua for a stellar week, I think. All right. Well, you guys kind of remember everything that was up there. Maybe I should have been writing it all down, but... Joshua gets it for me. Joshua gets it for you, despite Ryan Garcia and his many appearances. Who are you going for, Rob? Yeah, it's got to be Adrian. Ryan is like, he's had it, like, isn't he? So, he's going to start fucking nominating him for his ad, because he's going to be honored every week. We're part of the world of helping him out again next week. Well, I mean, how many months did we go on with Big John or Gad, etc, etc. I don't know. Should we keep, should we keep Ryan out, or does that feel like he's... Oh, right, he's cooking Ryan's world, or just living in it, you know what I mean? No, shit. Yeah, I'll go with Ryan just for kicks, but we can go ahead and give it to AJ there. Anthony Joshua, you are the value of the week winner for this week. Now we're going to go on real quick to a segment. I've only got a couple this week, but I'm sure we'll have more here and there, but we're going to do something I like to call voices from the basement, where I have invited some of the nutters to get their words in on the weekend if they care to. Okay, so let's see here. First one, and I know when I'm pronouncing this wrong, this is Marcine is how I spelled, but he's Polish. I think it's Martin is how it is said, but this is his thoughts on the weekend. Hey, everyone. First, I want to say a big thank you for the great work you guys do on this podcast. Keep it up. And in terms of fights, how good did Ramirez look? That KO was spectacular. I am very excited that him and Espinoza who also looked great. Fantastic. In his win last weekend, I'll probably do it again this year. I mean, their fight last year was my, personally, my fight of the year, and also the surprise of the year. So I am looking forward to them fighting again, and given how good they looked, it should be another great fight. Fantastic. And we definitely weren't agreement on that. And then he also got one from the man himself, Mr. Joe Kennedy. So because, hey, Mattie, just a quick one on the Dylan McGahnie fight, which I saw last night. Showed me the dangers of online betting, really, in play betting more so, because having watched the first two or three rounds of that fight, I would have lumped it on Dylan McGahnie to stay out of range. And he was a neat foot working nice turns to take apart. Tell us, but the one inside today, you got caught again. Um, they're my, beat himself. I'm going back home and I'm down at the Nastick level, because he's kind of Mexican brawlers are a dime a dozen, you know. So if you can't get past the tellers of the world, um, get fair for them. Thank you. Good luck. I'm sorry there was a little cut out there. That was an odd time for me to have to sneeze. We did what we had to do there. So anyways, hopefully we get a few more next week, but that's thoughts from a couple of the boys in the chat. If you would like to join, we'll also have a new season of the boxing nutters prediction league kicking off here. I think Matt Butters might have won at this last time around. I believe he might have sealed it shut with this last weekend. If so, congratulations to Mr. Matt Butters. One of our favorites in the group there. Very proud of you buddy. Um, and we look forward to the next one. Uh, you can join at patreon.com/boxingacylum and we'll get you in the chat and in with all the fun and all the boys. We have a good time in their good chats. Today, they are definitely talking about the football that is going on, but that's another day for another podcast. Now the Adelaide Bird, uh, boxing official of the week. Um, I'd like to do a dual, uh, nomination because they were the two wide cards for Patricia Morse, Jarman and Dave Moretti for their 97-93 cards in the Andres Cortez, Abraham Novafite, in a fight that the vast majority of people thought. Nova won. Uh, they found a way to only give him three rounds. So, uh, that one, I'll have to nominate them. Andy, you got me one? Just start to judge me that, uh, or judgees, sorry, uh, at that fight last night, um, to get their name sorted, didn't they? Let me... Yeah, I'm going to show, uh, yeah, 57-56, uh, Javier Camacho and, uh, 56-56 Robot Tapia. Who had that draw in the Rodriguez fight against Australia. I absolute disgrace, I thought... The only round you could really give a stride was the one he knocked out. Yeah, that's happening. That's it, that's the only one you could give him. I mean, it's, it's had these moments during some rounds, but he didn't have that explanation at the end of it. And the always Rodriguez's fight to lose. So, yeah, the judges, so Robot Tapia for his draw card and the one for a shitface, which is his name. Javier Camacho. Javier Camacho, 57-56. Yeah, we'll, we'll do that one in there for sure. Javier Camacho. Rob, do you have an official who's, uh, pissed you off this last couple of weeks? I'm not really sure that one. That's really fucking raised my spirits. There was a fight in Peru. I'm sure it's a team box. The numbers were scored out in the group chapter. And a premature stoppage ish. And the fighter who gets stopped has a look around the ring for a second and then walks across and clocks the referee. And then the referee has to think about if fucking runs across the ring and fucking clocks the one back. So, he would be a referee at a good right hand counter as well. Over, over the fucking shoulders. Pure McGregor, Post-Fucking Norm Megadoff or whatever the fuck it was. Frantic scenes in the ring then is the turn to get the referee out. Amazing. And the corner seconds in really fucking clock. What was going on on either side? They're all kind of scratching heads. They can just fucking punish the referee. Oh, shit, the referee was back at him. So, you're dreaming I feel like these might be very, very good to happen. Dammit. Well, hopefully we can get a clip of that one for next week because that sounds pretty good. We'd like to actually check that one out. So, we'll say it's going to be Mr. Camacho with his card favoring Juan Francisco Estrada last night up against the dual cards of Patricia Morse-Jarmon and Dave Moretti in Andrey Sportes, Abraham Nova. Who would you go for, Andy? Well, we'll have to go with Camacho for the sake of argument then. Okay, all right, you win this week because what the fuck were you watching? Anyhow. So, it has been a heck of a week and I would like to thank Des, Andy, and Rob for all coming on with us. Remember, as I said, we'll have a new season at Boxing Night's prediction link. All you got to do is hop into the Patreon group and we can give you the rest of the info on that one. We're going to be back next week. All except for Andy, Andy's going to be wandering off on holiday, hopefully having a wonderful time. But the rest of us will be back here with you. I believe Dom will be back with us for sure. But you folks have yourselves a fantastic week ahead and we will see you on the next edition of the Boxing Asylum Nuthouse. We'll never forget. No, we just forgot me. We want to be honest, yeah. Crying like a little bitch. I'm not gonna make a fucking song like it can treat me. I feel the sleep, I feel the sleep. You're a fucking bomb, you're a fucking asshole. Rumpo fucking stiltskin. But allegedly, Oscar Reves has filled, has filled a taste. Seven-year ain't. Seven-year ain't. I don't want fucking smart fucking you. I hope you fucking die. Be safe. I love boxing sounds as simple as that. I love boxing sounds as simple as that. [MUSIC]
