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That's 50% off unlimited access to 25 language courses for the rest of your life. Redeem your 50% off at rosetta stone dot com slash RS10 today. Welcome to other world. I'm your host Jack Wagner. This is them part six. If you haven't heard the other episodes, you should go back and start from the beginning. Part of the reason it took me a year and a half to make this series is because there was one person I could not speak to. And the fact that I couldn't speak to them made room for some very big questions. That person, of course, is Sarah. The mysterious girl from the gym. The one everything in this story is connected to. So much centered around her. Her phone was involved in most of the texting and calling. The more intense paranormal stuff happened when she was around. And it also seemed to slow down when she finally left. When I initially spoke to Solvai, one of my first questions was, "Where is Sarah and can I speak to her?" The answer was always no. Unfortunately, I couldn't talk to her. In fact, Sarah doesn't even talk to them. Sarah had cut them off abruptly and gone on her own way. This was by far the most difficult part of the story for me, hearing all of this without being able to talk to her and know her side. Many different people listened to this show. Some are unwavering skeptics, others are committed believers, and many fall somewhere in between. My job is to be both of those at the same time, which can be very hard for me sometimes, especially with a story like this. There were moments when this story started to cross into my own life a bit, and that really freaked me out. But because of that, it's important that I do my due diligence, investigate, and ask difficult questions. At a certain point, I accepted that there are some questions I may never fully know the answer to. And I think that's just the nature of this stuff. But I still needed to speak to Sarah. And eventually, after a year, I was finally able to. This is the final episode of the series. This is them, part six, Sarah, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is. At its core, the science, you can't argue it. He's so unjorried about the science. He's up in the sky. It's almost frustrating not to have to make sure that I'm going to die. I'm going to die. If women were just like wrong, everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes them a minute. Hello? No, finally. I'm sorry. No worries. How are you? Oh, fine. Thank you. How are you? Good. I can't believe I'm meeting you, honestly. OK. I've heard so much. I can imagine it's too little to have been talking a lot. Yeah. Well, on and off for almost a year. Oh, I see. So, yeah. OK. For so long. Yeah. It's a complicated story. Yeah, definitely. Do you have any questions before I start asking you a million questions? I don't think so. I'm not the best in English, but I'm trying. I'm trying my best. So, I'm sorry. No, it's totally OK. It's totally OK. What was your childhood like growing up like before all this started? I was a happy kid at home with friends and family. Just, yeah, nothing special. Just a happy life, a happy childhood. Very blessed in that way. Out biking, running, thanks occur. Yeah. Outside of the nature. Yeah. You were adopted, right? Did I? I heard you were adopted. Yeah. I came to Norway when I was four months. So, I was little. Yeah. Were you raised with any spiritual beliefs or paranormal beliefs or anything like that? And nothing particular. No. I was, for me, it was, yeah, no, no, nothing special. No. So, when did all the start for you? When did? It's been so long since I've been talking about this. But I guess it started, yeah, around 2013. Yeah. Was that? And it was great. Was that when you met? Yeah. And she got my boss. She was my boss at the time. So, we, I just had this professional relationship with her. And because I started to ask her if she could help me out without breathing and everything, because I was in, yeah, I was in school and I was stressed, you know. And I thought maybe she could help me with something. Yeah. I don't know. I started seeing things and experiencing things myself, but didn't, yeah. It was strange for me. So, I didn't talk about it and just leave it there. But then things started to happen in my apartment at home. And I didn't understand what or why? Yeah. So, it was, it started like that. I think it's, it's been a long time. Yeah. I was so, I was kind of worried if I had to lose my mind or something in appearance. It started with the ringing. Just, I was just, I was with my friends. All of a sudden, Raniel texted me and she was like, "Have you been calling me?" And I, no. Because I have seven missed calls for me and I haven't been calling you at all. And this was happening a lot over time. She had always a five or seven missed calls for me. I had not called her. So, it was so strange. And it was at strange times in the middle of the night. Sometimes when I was, because I'm an instructor in gyms. Sometimes when I had classes, the phone was calling her. And that is not supposed to work because I was using my phone in the classes with flight mode on. And at the same time, the phone was calling her. And yeah. Were you getting calls from her? In the start, I got calls from her too. Yeah. But that she was just in the start. Everything was happening for me. Either the Mac, the phone, always around me. That happened a lot, really a lot. It was like a guiding thing. We didn't understand that in the start. But when the phone was calling, it was like they felt like the energies or whatever we call them. It was like they wanted us to be together. It felt like that. When we worked together, it was silent for a while. And they started with empty texts, texts, short ones and long ones. And in the start, it was like, Hey, and goodbye and hey, it was very simple words. And then they started answering some words and some kind of no words. And then complete messages. And we were seeing they were typing on the phone. And so it was sent to run this phone without doing anything. What did you think it was? Were you were you suspicious at all? As in the start, we were watching each other with the, yeah, we won X-ray. We talked about that later in the start. I was so convinced that she was kidding with me or just fooling me around. And she was thinking the same thing about me. So we were so on watch when everything was happening. And I was always watching her doing things and always conscious in every situation. But I had no chance to see that she was fooling me or something. So I just had to trust, okay, it's not her. I just have to relax and see what it's happening. All right. I know that there's a lot of things that happen, very strange things that you saw and experienced early on. But can you can you just run me through those quickly? Like what are these? What are the strange paranormal things that you guys were experiencing in the beginning of this? Yeah, it was a lot of things moving. That was furniture, chairs, table, lamps that were swinging, doors that was opening, kitchen, doors and everything that was just open. That happened a lot. Everything that opens was open. Carkey that was transported from Rang Nil's house to my house when we wasn't together. Back and forth, all the stuff that was happening when Sulvai and Cairo was in well the first time, the letters on the windows and the stars that have them was like crazy, the pushing and everything, all those nights with Caran Sulvai, all these things happening to me, water, stones, flying around, the feeling that someone is touching you, punching you, seeing shadows, seeing shadows with colors, all the text messages, calls, face times, all the sounds, all the visions. Yeah. When did you, when did Sulvai come into this? And can you tell me about that night? Oh, good. That was crazy. I was so worried when Rang Nil was telling both Caran Sulvai, so like this, I was so worried they would hate me or I had occupied their mom or because I felt I was with Rang Nil so much that she didn't even, yeah, she didn't spend time with her daughters. I felt like I have occupied her if you know what I mean. And I didn't want to be that person. I didn't know them at all. So it was, that was so scary for me when she was introducing me to Sulvai. I was so scared if she would think I was crazy. It was a strange night. It was very nice. Of course, I was relieved and we had a lot of fun, but then something in both of us were just clicking. We were doing everything in the same time, laughing at the same time, talking at the same time, talking the same sentences and words. And we were, we didn't understand what was happening. It was so strange. It was like we were becoming one or something. They have told us that I am so Sulvai was twin flames. It was like I was her lather and her, my lather was her and I, it was strange. It was crazy. In this photo, I don't know what time it's from, but there's a picture where you guys both have the same marks on your cheek. Those are her birthmarks. Oh my god, yeah, I know she has the birthmark. I don't have them anymore, but yeah. What were they? I don't know when that started. That was a little bit out in the 2014-15. I don't remember, but suddenly I had small, yeah, the same marks at my, my skin and it was bloody. It was like I got pinched, but I didn't, I didn't feel it. Suddenly, I just had small, bloody marks on my face and was like, oh my god, that's the same as Sulvai's. They, yeah, I had something on my hand, but then I was like, this, this isn't great. You can't do physical things with me. That's, that's not cool. And after that, they didn't do it anymore. But I got these same marks, yeah. And you didn't do it to yourself? No. It was, I was sitting in the same room with Dranel and suddenly she was like, you're bleeding on your, on your, on your cheek. I don't know, I've watched. And then we was just wiping off the, it, it was a little blood. It was not very crazy, but then we had the same mark, suddenly. You're just sitting there and this happened? Yeah. It was just happening. I have to, I don't know. It's crazy. You can, yeah, it feels crazy to say too, because everything that happened feels like another lifetime. It's crazy. It's crazy. I know. I have to finish my arm still, finish my arm, because it is crazy. It's beyond what our mind can imagine. You need to experience it to kind of feel and believe it in one way, but it's crazy to hear other talk about it. I mean, it's crazy. The marks happened while you were sitting awake in the same room with her? Yeah. And there's no way she could have done it. No way she could have done it. I mean, they were so precise, it was identical with two eyes, smaller, but identical. If I should have, if I had done it myself, I had to, I don't know, were standing, yeah. So close, I'm here trying to finish myself with something or, yeah. No, it's happened in the same room, yeah. And sometimes they were all gone and suddenly they were hopping or, yeah, coming more to life. It was like they were, yeah, a scar was opening again. So then the small blood drops were where we could see them, and then suddenly they were in my face again. [Music] Rogneal definitely became like a, like a mother to you in some ways, and I think, a mother figure more. A mother figure, yeah. Yeah. But it was intense, it was close, yeah. But she was never a replacement for my other mom. Never. Obviously, we got very close. She was like my mother, and she saw me like her daughter, and then it was, it was, it was so much. And I was in my early 20s, you're not supposed to be with the, be with the lady in the 50s and talking to space every day and not having a life. It was just, that's so crazy for me. What can you tell me about water manifesting? Yeah. What do you, what do you remember about the water? I remember, I remember water was everywhere. Suddenly it was on the floor, suddenly the water in the spring or the shower were just turned on. Sometimes it was, yeah, it was wet and so far. I could just walk through a house and wear everything, and everything. I was just walking through the kitchen, and the spring was just poof. Everywhere, it was water, it was turned on or turned off, and very powerful soon. It was not that silly water drizzling out of the spring, it was powerful. It was crazy. Do you remember, did water ever land on you or like appear out of nowhere? I heard. Yeah, we was at a hotel nearby, and I was walking into the bathroom. Out of the blue, it felt like it had a cloud with water on it, like a bottle of water and was just doing that. It was that feeling. Like somebody dumped a bucket of water on you? Yeah, that was the feeling. That happened one time in that hotel room. And it came from nowhere? Yeah, from nowhere. Did that ever happen again? No, I don't think so. I think it was just that one time. I remember that because I got so insanely scared. Was there other stuff happening with the water, though? I have. It was water in the living room at the floor. It was just I could be at work, and then come home, and it was water. Not so much, but like boom, it was coming out of nowhere. There's so much of this. It's hard to comprehend. Yeah, I know. And you're so casual about it. Doesn't seem so strange for you, because for me, it was, of course, in the start, I was like, what is happening? It's like, I, this can't be true, but when it's happening so much or so, for a so long time, yeah, you get used to it. You're so casual about it. That's not normal. Wrong meal is more intense when she describes things. Yeah, of course, but in the start, it was dramatic. I was scared, and I didn't understand a thing, and I put all my trust in her, because she was the one that had experience in life. Yeah, so for me, it was like, I trust you, you know, the best. I'm just here, mind-blowing of everything. I don't know what to say. I just had to say, okay, I see it's happening, but yeah, so of course, in the start, I was in one way terrified and excited at the same time. So it was dramatic, but yeah, now it's when I look back, of course, it was dramatic, but in one way, it got normal. Were you ever suspicious? Did you ever have theories of like people? I was so suspicious about Dr. Anil for so long, but it was so crazy because the messages were coming from me, and I was trying to figure out how she could do that. Was she stealing my phone, or was she? I was so suspicious of her, that I understood it was her, and then I really needed to be sure I wasn't hacked or something, but yeah, it was suspicious for a while. Because sometimes I hear this, and I'm like, this sounds like some kind of cult that I don't understand. Yeah, no, it's crazy. But in the feeling I had around that, yeah, it was weird, but it was at the same time, it felt pure, like it was okay, kind of like, it felt okay, it was pure. But my mind was, of course, going wild sometimes. But I was never suspicious of that she had people helping her or something. I imagine that a lot of people, when they listen to this, are going to be suspicious of you. Yeah. What do you think? I'm sure I'm going to get all that, but they're blaming me. Yeah. And I understand that because it's crazy, because everything is happening from my space, my phone, my Mac, my everything. So yeah, that I can understand, but yeah. I've had my suspicions about you early on and through this, and I still am suspicious sometimes. I'm still suspicious. And that's fine. I would, I would have thinking it was weird if it wasn't. What were the photos, the things showing up on the photos? What was that? Yeah, that too. Oh, yeah. What was that? They were telling us that that's the energy around us. They were trying to paint a picture where how the energy was around us at that time. And they just, they just was just a visible in the phone suddenly. And it would happen in your phone or hers? Yeah, both, but mostly my phone. The original picture and then a copy of it or would it be? It was sometimes both. Sometimes the original photo was with the light and sometimes it was a copy with the light. It looks like somebody used some kind of iPhone app to let you know. I know. And I have tried to, I've tried to, what is this? Is they actually using an iPhone app to kind of paint this picture or? Yeah, I have asked myself the same question because I have some of the photo apps and you can put on some lights and everything. And it strangely look like the pictures. But sometimes they were, when we were seeing at the pictures, they were just, boom, there they are, the new picture. You could see it was popping up. So it was no way. When you are using app, you need to save and you need to archive to the pictures and everything. So it was so, it happens. I don't know how, why, yeah. Were there any times that you, like, faked a video for Rogneal? No, I didn't fake a video. I know, I didn't fake any videos, but I know sometimes I was so excited that you don't always know what you were doing kind of like. And I remember I could be a little bit crazy because there was so much happening. So I remember, oh, yeah, what was that you? Was that me? And it was a little bit like that, I remember. But I didn't fake any videos with purpose that I didn't do. You know, when you are so assumed or consumed in this kind of, what do you call it? I think you get a little bit weird because you are living in a bubble. So everything you see, you think, oh my god, that's something. And it can be totally normal, if you know what I mean. And I think some small, weird things that was happening, I was always thinking, oh, that's them, or now something is happening. And now everything was like that. And I think some of those times, I think it was just a natural reason for it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, like you're experiencing so much intense paranormal stuff that like sometimes you're mistaking regular things for paranormal, right? Yeah, that makes sense to me. When was the last time you've watched some of the old videos? That's a long time ago. Years, I guess. Because I lost all my videos in the disc I told you about. Yeah. So, yeah. Will you watch some with me? I sure can do. Yeah, let's see. The file is called... I'm going to try to pronounce this. Sarah, Kleuckeli... Kleuckeli... Kleuckeli, yes. Yeah. I remember, was there something I started clicking? And there was coming some information or something? Was there something like that? Let's watch this. That's so crazy. It's so weird to see this again. I'm doing a look in sleep. It's crazy. It's here. It's here. We're obviously sitting in that corner. Oh, this is in your apartment. Yeah. Do you remember the clicking happening? I remember. Yeah, I remember. I would have just totally forgot about it. I remember. When would that happen? I think it started to happen when I was asleep. I don't know why it was happening. But I remember when mine is refreshing a little bit later, it was just starting sometimes when I was awake. Uncontrolled. I heard that you were going into like, trances and like passing out and things like that later on. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's maybe the crisis closed me because that when that happened, I really, really, really got anxious. That's something where wrong with me because in the start when I was touching water or just showering my head, I was passing out and was gone gone. And when Ranil found me passing out, she was like, she is really not breathing. She is not breathing. And when I came back, this was like, when I, yeah, in fact, to life, I was gasping for air. I was so hyper relentless, I think, so gasping for air. It was like I was out of my body and my soul kind of touched my body and I had to experience. And it hurt. It was so painful in my body. The hands were so painful and felt like I was too big for my body. It was like so crazy. And then that happened a lot in time and I got so, so tired of it. It was so, yeah, then the job, it was not very, very nice. Would you remember this? What was the experience? Would you just get in the shower, like, walk me through that? Yeah, in the start, I didn't, I didn't, I thought maybe I was having, yeah, it was some physical things that just happened that I was stressed out or something. But it kind of had this, I don't know, it happened when I was touching. Yeah, it was when I was showering, especially when the water was touching my head. And then this was, I passed out. So I got scared of showering. I didn't want to shower. What would happen when you woke up? Were you by yourself for any of these or was she always there? Now in the start, I was by myself and got shitty scared because I didn't remember why I was slaying on the floor or in the shower. And then when I got the control of my breathing, I remember, okay, yeah, I was in the shower and then everything was black and I don't remember anything. And that was kind of heavy when you were alone. But of course I called her when I could and she, yeah, it was crazy. That was crazy. After a time they sent it a text to her name with a special time and maybe them. 1545 on the clock. We found out that 1545, I just passed out. I could be anywhere, not near water or just, yeah. But she was sit down, sit down, sit down. And at the exact same moment, I was like, how often was this happening? Kind of often in my period, it could happen maybe two times a day, one time a day, every day for a week maybe. What was that experience like? Scary. Because I had no control and it was so scary to wake up again because I had a problem to breathe. I was, and I think that was a mix of being very scared and being cast out for a long time. And I was still, and I was asking why is this happening to me? Why me? Why me? And I'm still asking that. If I'm thinking about it, why was it so brutal? Because that was felt like it was brutal for the body and the breath and everything for the mind. And I was, I was, yeah, I felt like, yeah, dull, someone like playing hard with me. It felt like that. And I was, yeah, that was maybe a little bit dark sometimes. I got very, really scared. And in one way, I felt, in one way, I felt Dranil understood me, but at the same time, I felt she kind of like wanted it to happen more because it was so special if you know what I mean. So it was hard. I felt very alone in that experience because it was only happening to me, not her. Yeah, I had one in the bathroom home. I think, yeah, Dranil was here, but I was in the bathroom. And again, I was just acting normal wherever, just, yeah, hanging out in my own apartment, just doing stuff and was going to the bathroom to put some cream out or something and boom, gum. And it's the waking up part that it was hard. When I saw I was lying at the floor and the floor is so hard, I could really, it could go really wrong because my bathroom is so small. I could bang my head and shoulder or something. So that scared me out when I was waking up because it was so small. But it was good. I didn't, I didn't had, I didn't, yeah, it was okay with me, no scratches or something. But it was just scary because I had no control and it was that no control. I was so afraid of because I was scared there was something physical wrong with me. But in one way, I understood that there's nothing wrong with you. This is something with the whole thing. How does it feel talking about this, finally? Like, how are you doing? I'm doing, yes, I'm doing okay. Because it's so, it's a long time since I've been talking about it. And because it was, yeah, yeah, it's strange to talk about it, but it's also kind of good to just talk a little bit about it, I guess, because I kind of just laid behind me. But I still experienced things, but it's so normal for me. So I, it's not a big ordeal. But all these crazy episodes, it's a long time ago. So it's, it's good to talk about it. It's good to talk about someone who is not judging. Yeah, it's been, I mean, I've been trying to talk to you for a year. I really, I wasn't sure what you would be like. I had a lot of, yeah. I don't know. What do you think? Am I a normal girl? I mean, none of this is normal, but you're, you're more normal than I thought you'd be, you know? I mean, I'm just glad you're willing to talk to me because without that, like, every, I mean, look, like everything points to you. And like, I never heard from you. So I, I'm just glad to be able to talk to you. I understand that. But in, in, in one way, I am glad that someone is just want to listen to me, because of course, I, I will help people understand that there's something more than just this physical world and this humans and these physical things. We just, how are those? Because I got so many strange things happening to me. So it's, it has to be shared in one way. So I'm very glad you are doing that. But I'm not feeling to put my face on it. Even I mean, I'm not ready for that. All right, we have to take a break. But we'll be right back with the rest of the episode. No matter what you're going through, you are never alone. Join me on my podcast, From the Heart with Rachel Braithin, every Friday. Each episode is like sitting down with your best friend for a cup of coffee. From self care tips to inspiration for healing, this podcast offers the chance to return to nature, return to community, and return to who you are at your core. Straight from my heart to yours. Listen to and follow from the heart with Rachel Braithin on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Did you ever talk to your family about this? Like, what did, what did they know? Yeah, that was the hardest thing for me because when everything, when something was happening to me, I was always, I could always talk to them. Now I just had drag me. And that was so, yeah, my father is a doctor, and my mother is a teacher. So they are kind of very down to earth, logical people who is not very into this spiritual world. I was lying so much in these years. I was lying so much, and I felt so bad about it because I felt I couldn't tell anyone. So I have tried to tell my mom a bit because she's more open than my father, but small things they really don't know much what was going on in my life in that period of time. What things did you tell your mom? I was telling her about the music that was playing from my computer because they were also very into playing from Spotify. We were, we could just sit in the room and the music could just play when my my book was closed. It was just playing music. And sometimes you were just having conversations and music was playing. Often with lyrics or a title that confirmed our conversations or just and hello with Adele comes so often. Hello. We could just sit still and watch TV and wasn't doing anything. And then hello with Adele was coming out. But not, do you think that Siri could have been doing this? I don't think so because it was so often the Mac was closed and we were not doing nothing, like just watching TV or was just, I was doing some work thing or they only was doing some work thing, not in this at all. And then suddenly the music was just playing and that happened a lot. And that was also later a communication kind of thing like the text messages. They were playing different songs. It was both famous songs and songs we never have in her have heard before. And yeah, it was different kinds of songs. Would the songs like skip around? Would they like change in the middle of the song or would it play to the end? They could sometimes just, they could skip in the song and just play some sentences, play backwards and forward. And yeah, so I could hear the same sentences over and over and over again. And when it felt like when I had understand what they meant with that sentence, they were skipping to the next song or they just stopped the whole thing. I was changing password and was changing his own username and everything. So I was like, I'm sure that it was just mine. Could this happen with Wi-Fi or without? Yeah, yeah, it was a MacBook and the phones, and radios. They were in the cars. I think that yeah TV, TV, Apple TV. What did your mom say to that? No, then I didn't say so much. I was just dripping a little bit to her and she was like, yeah, but that mean, yeah, you know, technical stuff these days. Maybe they are just starting to play. But at the same time, she was like, hmm, are you sure or have you been experienced that before? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. But maybe, maybe you just, maybe you just needed to hear that song. And when she was saying that, I was like, okay, yeah, you are in one way a little bit in it, but that's enough for me. So, yeah. So one thing she said to me that is probably the most extreme. I want to see what you think of it. She said that there are points where you were performing what she called miracles. Mm-hmm. Do you know what she might be referring to? Does anything come to mind? It's like disappearing and such, such. I think that was some of it. Yeah. In today, I still need to work on believing it happening, if you know what I mean. Because for me, it's so, yeah, it's so insanely crazy. Because I was in the middle of it. But, and I have seen pictures of it. And I have experienced it. But at the same time, it's so, it's from my head, this tomb, it's so mind-blowing. So I still today need to tell myself, was it really happening? But it was happening. So, yeah. What was an example of the disappearing? I just remember we were in France, and I was, I believe, we was walking me and around Nil and a friend. We were walking by a shopping window, a big window, and we were just looking at some juries. And we were talking, and I remember I felt dizzy. And then, for me, everything gets blurry and black. I don't remember anything. I have been told, I don't know, I'm this friend. Suddenly, so I was disappearing between them in the window. And they were, what happened now? Where is she? She was just standing there. They were running around, and where is she? And what happened? And I remember coming back on a totally different place. This was just this 50 meters apart only. But that was crazy. You're saying one moment you remember standing in front of the window, and the next year, like, somewhere else? I didn't felt like myself, if you know what I mean. I was out of myself, is that I can't, I can't explain it, because it's crazy. But yeah, that is what was happening. This is so interesting talking to you. Because, is it different from what everyone else is saying or? Yeah, I mean, it's funny hearing you explain these stories in the most casual way, almost like downplaying them, you know, making them seem very small, like, oh, I disappeared. And it was, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, maybe because I know there's, yeah, maybe because I know it's so crazy that I'm trying to just, you know, because I'm not doing it for attention at all, because I think it's so crazy myself. Yeah, but yeah. So she told you that. I, I, or did she not? She did. I see. She also, I think there was a story about you being able to move stones. Does that sound familiar? Yeah, it sounds familiar. Yeah, but that's, yeah. What do you think about that? The same is crazy. But it did happen. But again, it was, I was not conscious in this way. So when some of those, that stuff happened, I was not myself myself, I was out there somewhere. But it was, yeah, some meters or something. Yeah, it did happen. What did it feel like? A normal. In some way, so natural and some way so crazy, place in between. Tell me about moving the stones. I heard that you put them behind her head one time. Oh, this is a long time ago. The only way I can explain it is like feeling like you have superpowers. It's them most, yeah, it's the most, yeah, I don't know. It's so crazy, the energy that I felt so, yeah, so not powerful. It's the wrong word, but very electric. And it was, it was like my mind was going so fast. And I could just do it. It was, I could just turn it around and boom. And just some minutes after it was just gone. It was just some, some spaces in between the normal life. I got some openings, like very, very, I don't know, it were so short moments. I felt so, yeah, magical. It was crazy. It was like, yeah, electrical. And now I can do it. Now I can do it. This is boom. Do you remember doing it with the stones? Can you tell me about that? Yes, I know because, yeah, I can try because I was, when I was doing, doing the stuff, I was in some way, my conscious was some way behind me. And I was in, in front of myself in some way. And it was easier for me to look at things like energy, not physical, more like energy. And when you, it was like everything was making more sense when it was like energy and not physical. And in that way, it was easier to move the energy than the physical thing. So for me, it was like just moving the energy there from there to there. It's the best I can explain, I think. But it was like moving energy, not the physical thing. I don't think I can describe just that moment. It just happened so fast. Also, I don't think it's a word for it. It's just, it's going from there to there. It's like, yeah, I don't think I can explain it. Yeah, I was like very open. I could see a lot of energies, like, felt like I could, I felt like I was a lexicon kind of thing, very smart. Like I was knowing everything, and everything was normal. And I just could answer kind of everything. It was crazy. Yeah. What are some examples of that? I heard about this too. Yeah. Being fully psychic, she said. Yeah. Yeah, that's the easy way to do it, fully psychic. I strongly could ask me something, but I definitely didn't know everything about it, and was just telling her what I knew about it. And I don't remember any examples right now. It was so much, but I don't remember some exact examples. I think she was asking a lot of how they live and how they are working out there to help us down here and how they are contacting the earth or different people. I think she was asking a lot of that. And I think I was telling her I was drawing a lot. Yeah, I was drawing a lot of geometry and was explaining the energy of the geometry I was drawing, I think. And she was asking a lot of that. So, of course, I know that all of this came to an abrupt end, at least between you and Rocknell. I really want to hear your side of that. Yeah, it was kind of explosive from my side. It was like, it's now or never, because I felt, oh, I don't know how to explain this in English, but I will try. I felt she was... You could use a Norwegian word if you want. Oh, with your art. Oh, with your kit. I felt like I didn't have a choice. Like, obligated? Yeah, thank you. I felt very obligated to do the whole thing. And I feel I lost my, some of my early 20s, the years, I should be without doing crazy other stuff. Parting and be with friends and everything. I was stuck in my apartment dealing with the crazy energies, because I was trying to figure out who I was at that climb and who am I. Yeah, it was a lot at the same time. I was in the start in to write a book, mostly because it was good to me to write about everything that was happening. But at the same time, I didn't want to, but I didn't want to. I could write, but I didn't want to publish. And everything was when it was talking about publishing and get this out. And I was like, no, no, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. And I felt she was waiting for me and waiting for me and waiting for me. And I felt I was holding her back for so long. And kind of felt I was disappointing her. So often and so much. We had common friends who was involved in this. I heard about them. Yeah. And that was in my opinion. She was jealous of me being with them. I knew these people before we were, I was talking a little bit about them and I with them. And then they were suddenly, we were meeting up to so I could explain more, because I knew they were open. At that meeting, this Spotify thing happened, confirming things we were talking about and things they were talking about and experienced without me being there. And they were kind of confirming things through the music. So we took that as a sign that they were going to be more with us or experience more. We should do things together, and you know, meditation and just be together. And that's nice to be a bigger group, experience things together. Yeah. So it started that way and I introduced them to Raneel and the same thing happens, music, crazy thing going on. And we kind of bonded that way. It's so complicated. But it seems like she thought maybe these other people were trying to get in on this special thing you guys have been doing for so many years, you know, with the, get in with the beings. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It felt like that sometimes that she was thinking that. It sounds like the breakup of every band, you know, every band breaks up like that. I know it's all, it's all, yeah, it's all, it's crazy. It was so much. She was, yeah, of course, maybe I'm not, I'm not, because she had, I think she had some vision in her head that we were doing things together, together together together. And we must not spell the life with normal things to do. We have to do this. We need to tell people about this. It, it was tearing her apart. It was not, yeah, it was not good. Yeah, we had a breakup, a really, really bad breakup. What happened after that with them, whatever they are? Yeah. What happened? And did you ever break up with them? Like what happened? No, they will always be a part of my life, I think. I don't know what happened with Drowned In, but for me, they have always, always been there. It's still, I told you, with some music and stuff. And she was actually getting some, some text messages, sometimes, but that was just, yeah, it was a week or a month or half a year, she could do that, but then she could not do that anymore. And for me, I had doing things for myself, just being with myself, then I would stop, so I'm in it, but not in the same, same way as it was before. So it's not like I'm just doing this and never going to hear from them or see them again. I'm still in it. So, but in a very, very low key way, if I can say so. So they will always be a part of me. And that's okay, but I'm doing it in my pace or, yeah, whatever. Did, did you ever get like texts or messages from these beings trying to get you and Rognale reunited or anything like that? Did they have an opinion? No, they, I didn't get any of that. But when I was trying to ask them, just out in the room, you need to help me, what am I going to do? I got help from the music, and I think that was them. Yeah, I was here in my apartment, kind of messed up. I felt like everything was going under. I was like, what am I, what am I going to do with this? I think I have decided what to do, but you know, you are asking out, what am I going to do? And I was going to bed, and my Mac was at the kitchen, and then I started to hear music. And I was like, okay, here they are. It was typical how they were saying hello. They started almost always with hello with Adele, the song hello. So it was like, okay, it's them, great. Then I asked again, what do I do with this situation? And then they were playing songs with titles or lyrics that was kind of answering my question, I guess. They told you, what did they tell you in that moment? With the song. Most that's what I was thinking was right. And that's the most important was me to be happy. And if I wasn't, I should do something about it. It was more like a pep talk kind of thing. Yeah, it was easy to understand what they meant. Well, let me ask you this. Well, first, what did you, how did you refer to these them? Like, what did you call them? I just called them them. They, yeah. Do you believe in them now? Do you think they exist? Like, what do you? Yeah, I believe in them. I do that. They are out there, for sure. And do you think they're done with you? What do you think is going to happen? Are you going to, they had a mission for you or something, right? Like they had a mission. Yeah, it felt like that. So I don't know, since they are on enough. I'm not thinking so much of it. If something is happening, I think I'm more ready for it. If you know what I mean, I think I can be more open and understandable of what they might have in their minds or what they are planning. I don't know, but I'm not sitting here and waiting for them to do something. If you know what I mean, but if something is happening, I think I'm more ready or something. Yeah. Did they tell you, didn't they tell you about like a time that's coming where things will be thinner? The separation will be thinner between. Yeah. Yeah, they were saying something like that. Yes. Do you think that's coming? Yeah, I think so. How do you feel in everything? What do you think? What do you have? Yeah. I mean, I don't know what I think anymore, honestly. I feel like this stuff can't be real just because it's too weird to be real. But I also can't figure out a way that it's fake. I can't explain everything. I think, honestly, for this whole year, I thought I would finally crack the case once I talk to you. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not helping you out of there. So yeah, that's where I'm at. It's like, I don't know what to think. It's understandable. And plus, I think I mentioned in my email what happened with Rongniel's computer, the Siri thing. Yeah. The same thing. I'm like, it can't be real, but I haven't found the way it would be fake. What do you think about the Siri thing? Do you think she's capable of, do you think she would fake that? No, I don't think so. She was, she's not very patient with technology. And she's, she, yeah, no, I don't think so. Something said to me, I'll see you when you're 40. I'm currently 35. That's in five years. What do you think about that? Yeah, it's something to think about. But you need to, yeah, you need to maybe, maybe something is going to happen when you are 40. Maybe something is not going to happen when you're 40. I don't know. I'm. Thank you, Sarah. Very reassuring. Yeah, I'm sorry, but it's, yeah. It can be the small things, the smallest thing that is meaning a lot to you. And it can be a bigger thing, but that is also having a great meaning for you, I think. But in the best way, nothing, nothing scary. You think it has something to do with my own life, not with them? Yeah, but your, your life can have something to them, to do with them, maybe. Maybe you are experiencing something mind-blowing to. It's kind of weird, everything. Yeah, that's an understatement, for sure. It's a crazy how normal this normal this is for me. So it's like, yeah, yeah, everything can happen. But I know it sounds crazy. It's crazy. It's really crazy. Yeah, I'll kind of shut the lid bit down. For me, it was too heavy to carry. There's a lot of questions I still ask myself why it happened, because there were so many things that were so extreme. I haven't figured out the answer for that, even for myself yet. So it's been very funny, many great moments. But yeah, it's a crazy, lovely ride. And that I'm glad I'm finished with it in some way. I'm glad I have experienced. [Music] [Music] Hello. Hello. Hi. I'm here. How are you guys? Good. Yeah, good. Back to you again. Oh, really? I mean, more normal. I mean, it's been a bit of an emotional roller coaster, for sure. But it's been interesting. Are you talking about the podcast? Are you talking about the last 10 years? Both. But right now, I was mostly talking about the podcast. Let me ask you this. What do you guys believe now? I don't think that my opinions on anything has really changed. I still arrive at the same conclusion that it's like the only thing I can really trust is the experience that I had. I don't know. I guess my own eyes and my own feelings about it. Yeah, I witnessed so many bizarre things that I never thought was possible. Objects flying through solid walls and even objects appearing or materializing in my mom's house that weren't even in that house, like that happened more than once. I also wasn't the only one experiencing that. It's very hard to process, but it's also kind of made me just feel like anything is possible. For me, even though some of the stuff my mom talks about sounds like so bizarre, and I wasn't there, but I don't see why they should make it up. And like I said, experiencing those bizarre things kind of just makes you feel like anything is possible. So I guess that could also be possible even though it sounds completely nuts. Yeah, I mean, to be clear, I believe them. I believe the stories. I don't know what they experienced, but I believe that they had those experiences. But what caused that, I don't know. But like with the people being able to move things without touching them, it kind of looked like that was what Sarah was doing when she was walking past the jug of water and the water glasses. And the basis of flowers, like anything containing water just tipped over when she walked past. Part of me felt like almost like she was doing it, but she didn't understand that she was doing it. Or she was triggering it, but she didn't know how or why. I have no idea how to explain that, but like it still, I experienced it. So when my mom told me the stuff about the crystals, of course, that sounds completely absurd. But all of it has been so absurd. So why shouldn't that also be possible if the other absurd stuff was possible? You know, a big part of this whole thing was that these things were talking about something that was coming. And that you all might have some sort of role to play in it. Do you ever, do you ever think about that? Sometimes. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the part of the story that feels the most strange maybe. And the most difficult to grasp. But I think if it's true that we do have some type of task, maybe sharing the story is one of them, you know? But I don't know. And maybe we're not meant to know. But I think that part doesn't scare me that much anymore. Yeah, I mean, this story has been a big mystery to me. And maybe it always will be. And I think trying to understand all parts of it is like too overwhelming. So for now, I think I just need to focus on my life and, you know, this dimension and just accept that something really strange happened to us like 10 years ago. And yeah, but I'm grateful we went through it together, I don't think. I think if either of us had to do it alone, we would have completely cracked. Yeah, for sure. Oh, I would have lost my mind. Yeah. Do you think this is over? Not really, no. (Music) All right, I want to give a very big thank you. Thank you to Solvai, Rangnil, Kara, and Sarah for sharing this story with me and trusting me with it. I've gotten to know them quite well in the process of making this series and I'm very grateful for it. I think I'm still figuring out what I think of this whole thing. I'm not sure if I'll ever know exactly what happened. I'm also not even sure if this story is finished yet, but I think I'm okay with leaving it here for now. This has been them and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. A special thank you to Juliana Barwick for the music of this series. This episode also contains music by Trier Tryon de la Torre and North Americans. This series was edited by myself and engineered by Theo Schaeffer. Our artwork is by Colossak Studios. Production help by Nikki Kate Delgado and Hayley Pearson. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review and telling your friends. If you want to hear bonus episodes of the show, become a patron at patreon.com/otherworld. Our social media is at OtherworldPod. Thank you to the team at Odyssey. J.D. Crowley, Jenna Weiss-Burman, Leah Reese Dennis, Rob Miranda, Eric Donnelly, Matt Casey, Moore Curran, Josephina Francis and Hilary Chuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld Now for Free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural or unexplained, you can send us your story at stories at otherworldpod.com. [Music] [Music] [Music] Did I ever tell you? Okay, I'm gonna freak you out though. Did I ever tell you that the man I saw in my room kind of looks like you? [Laughing] He's never coming back. I think we lost him for real now. [Laughing] I need to finish this. [Laughing] We're supposed to be finishing this. Yeah. Did the man really look like me? Honestly, the first time I saw a picture of your face, that's the first thing I thought was like he kind of looks like this man. I know that's strange. Is that why you emailed me? No. [Laughing] I don't think I knew what you looked like when I emailed you. No, I emailed you because I had been listening to your podcast and I guess you can understand why I didn't tell you that before now because then you probably would have just felt like all these girlies bonkers. [Laughing] Guys, I am so ready to be done with you. [Laughing] You'll have to let us know when you turn 40, if anything happens to you. You have to send us a message with a lot of emojis. You know, I don't think about that. [Laughing] Not even when your speakers turn on at night. [Laughing] I'm not sure if that's enough. I'm not putting that part in. No. I mean, there's enough. I'm in this enough. [Laughing] Yeah. [Laughing] It was definitely the wind. Yeah, your cat probably started playing music at the exact same time, several nights in a row. Sure. [Laughing] Every single one. [Laughing] This is the cult influence of Rangnil. Actually, you're the cult leader. Oh God. That's a plot twist. [BLANK_AUDIO]
