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That's 50% off unlimited access to 25 language courses for the rest of your life. Redeem your 50% off at Rosetta Stone dot com slash RS10 today. Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host Jack Wagner. This is them part five. If you haven't heard the other episodes, you should go back and start from the beginning. At the end of the last episode, I was speaking to Solvai's mom when suddenly I heard a voice say something. Now we were talking over Zoom at the time. On the show, we recorded with professional microphones, but in the moment of the actual interview, I was listening over Zoom, which isn't the best quality. So when that happened, I really couldn't hear it super well. And for that reason, I legitimately thought that it was maybe a video that popped up on her computer, or maybe somebody walked into her house and started talking. Like that kind of thing happens a lot during interviews. And I truly didn't think anything of it. And I think a funny part about that clip is that you can hear how genuinely confused I am when she starts asking me how old I am. And then telling me that it was Siri saying, "I see you when you're 40." It's funny to look back on that moment. It was so crazy for me. I'll never forget it. I wasn't sure if something actually paranormal just happened. Or if this woman was trying to trick me in some way, I had no idea. At the time, all I could think of was that I needed to focus. I needed to keep a level head and try to figure this out while I still had time. I was refusing to let this affect my judgment, which was very hard. I was completely overwhelmed by how weird this all was. I mean, I had literally just listened to her tell me some super strange things for three hours. And then this happens. Look, if you listen to the show, you know I normally stay removed from these stories as much as I can. I try to be objective, and I don't have an agenda of my own. I don't want to tell people what to believe or how to think about the things they hear on the show. That's really important to me. Other world isn't about me. It's about people who experience something unexplainable and how that affects their lives. I didn't start this show to convince people to believe in anything, and that's still not what it's about. So for many reasons, I avoid inserting myself or my opinions into the stories. But then suddenly it's like this particular story is literally reaching out and speaking to me directly. Inserting itself into my life and trying to pull me into it. I'm sure the host of other shows would gladly let themselves become a character, or even exaggerate and capitalize on a moment like this. But that's just not the type of show I want to make. I do not want to be a character in this. It's funny. I think everyone has a different reaction to this type of stuff when it happens. I didn't know what mine would be like. Apparently it's frustration, because you could kind of tell I sound a little mad on the call. It was too much for me. This interview was like riding a bull. I felt like at a certain point I was just holding on for dear life, and then at the end suddenly this happens. Afterwards, I was physically exhausted. My head felt heavy. I think my brain wanted to reboot or something. It was completely overloaded, but I tried my best to focus. I couldn't let this affect my judgment, and I knew I only had a small window to try to figure this stuff out. You already heard what happened right after. I made her share her screen, and I looked in her settings to see if she had "Hey, Siri" enabled. I looked at what windows she had opened, what files were recently opened. I looked at her browser history. Nothing. Then I told her to send me the audio recording and hung up, and immediately started texting people I knew, asking if anyone could get me a Norwegian on the phone within two minutes. A completely unhinged thing to ask. I know it's a shock that I still have friends, but remember, I had still not even heard the recording. Rogneil told me what Siri said, but I hadn't actually heard it yet, so my first thought was that I don't speak Norwegian, and I'm very confused right now, so I should get a Norwegian that's not a member of the family on the line to listen to this with me for the very first time. I did not want to be biased, and incredibly, my friends Lily and Colum were able to find me in Norwegian to talk to in just a couple of minutes, so we're gonna pick up right where we left off. This is moments after the Siri thing happened, and the call ended. This is them, part five. The title is "I See You," and you're listening to Other World. Hello? Is it Bobby? No, I said it's Cora, the science, you can't argue, but... Don't ask, don't worry about all the science, it's up in the sky. It's almost frustrating that it's happened. I'll make you kiss, I'm gonna die of, but like if it swims, we're just like this wrong. Everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes a minute. [music] Hey, Lily. Hey, Jack, I'm the guy. I'm sorry for doing this to you. No, it's very exciting. I've never been involved in a parental emergency before. I didn't know if this was an emergency. Honestly, I feel so bad. I texted this Norwegian girl in LA that probably already thinks I'm weird, and I was like, I asked her if she could get on the phone, and she said, "No." She was like, "Absolutely not." And then she said, "You could email me." And I said, "Are you sure you can't get on the phone?" Okay, this is so-- Yeah, absolutely sure. Okay, I'm gonna wait for your friend to come on. I've never met this person. This is a friend of a friend. I'm desperate. I don't. They just need to tell me what one sentence says. Yeah, he's going to. His name is Olé Béjort. Sounds like he could speak the language. Hey, how you doing? Hey, how's it going? Good. Good, good, good. This is a very funny morning I'm having. Are you live right now? I'm recording. I'm not live, but-- What a live show. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Here's somebody joining whose name I can't pronounce. Olé Béjort. Olé Béjort. You go. Hey, buddy. How you doing? Hey. Good to see you. Hey, I'm fine. Good to see you too. Yeah. This is-- First of all, thank you, everybody for joining this really funny zoom. I was just in an interview with a woman in Norway. Okay. Her laptop during the interview said something. And I just want to know what it says. Okay, okay. So if you could translate this for me, I have a little clip. It's-- it's of her phone's recording. And can you see this? Yes. Okay. Yeah. So I'll play the clip. You know-- I see you then, Olé Béjort. I'm sorry. What's that? Did you hear that? Yes, sounds like Siri. Yeah, it's Siri. What does Siri say? One more time. You know-- I see you then, Olé Béjort. I'm sorry. What did it say? It doesn't make any sense. I don't know. What are the words? I really-- I can't-- I can't tell. But I can't hear anything of it. Can you play it again? Yeah. In the beginning. You know-- I see you then, Olé Béjort. I'm sorry. Any luck there? Siri says something like, "I'll just turn gibberish." And then she says, "What he did?" "40." But why would Siri say that gibberish? I don't know. I don't know. That's kind of weird. Let me-- Okay. One more time. Just right before you can do it. So-- You know-- I see you then, Olé Béjort. I'm sorry. I definitely says I see you 40. But I don't-- I don't-- It doesn't say I see you when you're 40. What's weird is that when I listen back a few times, and I can kind of hear it in English saying that, but with a Norwegian accent. I don't know. I feel like my mind is poisoned with all of the information that I have. I don't know what to make of this. Yeah. I don't know what to make of this. She laughs very quickly after it, though, which is where you'd surely be kind of startled. Well-- Well, she's used to it. I don't know. Are you a psychologist? She's been doing this for years. So everything she tells me she's kind of casual about, but-- So they regularly get messages through Siri on the phone? They receive lots of messages. Okay. Hope you get to the bottom of it. What could it mean? I hope we don't get abducted or something. I hope you don't get punished for that. Lily, after we're done, can you tell your friends that I'm normal and not normally like this most of the time? I think they think I'm-- I'm saying. So is it saying like, I'll see you when you're 40 to you, or is it to kind of hurt? I think it was to me. Oh, Jesus, that's creepy. Oh, so you're a great job that you're going to get? Murdered. Not murdered. Oh, god. I have to go have my kids with the PlayStation. Okay. Thank you. Thank you and have a great day. Enjoy your PlayStation. Yeah, you too. Good luck. Bye-bye and bye-bye. Thank you guys. So after humiliating myself in front of this very kind Norwegian man named Ole Bjorn. Lily, Colum, and I actually spent a lot of time trying to figure out the Siri thing. I should mention this was early 2023. Siri and Mac OS are constantly updating and changing. So features may have been added depending on when you're listening to this, but at the time there was really no clear explanation, especially because we later realized Siri is actually speaking English, or more specifically a hybrid of English and Norwegian. I started thinking how you could even get Siri to speak like that or say something like that either on accident or on purpose. I was also watching Rogneal on video that whole time. She was sitting completely still and not touching her devices. I have also spoken to her for about eight hours total and this is the only time something like this has ever happened. Now for the sake of argument, could somebody fake this? For sure. I could certainly think of ways, but I looked for evidence to prove that she did and I could not find any. At this point, I really needed a break, so I decided to step outside and try to get a hold of Solvi, partly because who else can I talk to about this? And also, I just wanted to see what her reaction would be. (phone ringing) Can you hear me? Yes. How are you? Yeah, I'm okay. I'm honestly feeling a bit shaky. What did your mom tell you? She told me that they got through Siri and that they said, "We meet you when you're 40." And that you were really kind of freaked out. I don't know what to think, honestly. I mean, it was weird having it happen right to me. I mean, I'm going to do some experiments, I guess. There's probably ways that she could have done that. I watched the video again, though, and it sort of doesn't look like she was doing anything. What devices does she own? She has a MacBook and an iPhone. I don't know what to think. Yeah. Because, honestly, when I was listening to your mom, I started to have moments where I thought it was hard to believe all this stuff. Yeah, I understand that. I don't really know what to say either. It's um, yeah. I mean, I think most people, including me, you know, the brain wants to jump to like, is she just, did she do that herself? Like, I think it would have been kind of hard. But have you ever suspected her of doing things like that? Like, like a trick? No, no, no, no, no, no. The only thing I've suspected her for is believing things that didn't really happen. But I've never suspected her for creating any of this herself for kind of, yeah. Does she use Siri often? No, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't know what that was. Yeah, I don't know either. Do you want to believe this stuff? Like, I think, I don't really even know why I called you. I think I just like, I just talk to people. No, I was just going to say that I fully understand why this seems way too crazy. And I can't really say anything to make you believe in any of it. I just know what my experience is. And I've just seen too many strange things happen. Like, yeah, like I've told you about the things flying through walls and feeling them touch me. And a lot of really, really absurd things that I really can't find any logical explanation for. And I don't see why either Sarah or my mom should have to add to any of that by sending fake texts or making fake phone calls because it wouldn't be necessary. Because the other stuff I've experienced is already crazy enough that it's enough for me to feel like I really, really know that something is going on that I can't explain. Yeah. I think like, I'm sorry, it's funny what this does to you. Like, my brain is like erased. I've been feeling like that for eight or nine years. I'm not supposed to be involved in these stories. No. But I'll say this before I try to suck myself back out to be the host, you know. And let me know if you relate like, I don't want to believe this. I don't care. Like, I don't care. Like it's, and maybe you relate to it too. But it's like, did Siri talk to me in a way that I can't explain? Like, is that aliens like, I don't want it to be like, I don't. No, I understand. I don't want it to be true. I don't need it to be true. I don't, you know, I'm saying like, I don't. I understand. Like, I'm getting married in a month and like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand. It's like convenience. It's almost like, like, I don't, yeah, I know people probably listen and be like, oh, these are people with wild imaginations. It's like, no, like, I have to do things today. Like, I didn't, um, like, I honestly prefer if I was done with this. I have another interview at 1230. Like, it's like, you know, I'm, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know, but that's how I, that's what I felt like, like, in the beginning, I was really excited by everything that was so strange going on around me. But then I really freaked out and I just wanted to live my life and do the things. I had planned to do and try and make art and see where that led me and just be a normal 21-year-old. And, um, I don't really know what it means, what all of this means or, yeah, it's, uh, extremely absurd and it doesn't really make sense. But still, I've had these really strange experiences that I can't find a way to explain. Uh, I've been feeling really, really confused, uh, about everything. Yeah, this is just a lot. You know what's probably the weirdest part to me is that to be brutally honest, like when I was listening to your mom, it just was like too much. And I was sort of like, by the end of it, I was kind of doubting her. I didn't say anything, but in my head, I was like, I was like, yeah, I don't know about this. I don't know about this, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the natural reaction. It's not, I think it's kind of a healthy skeptical reaction to be honest. The timing was just really crazy because it almost felt like my thoughts were being red, you know? I know, yeah, it's intense. What are you doing right now, by the way? Right now, I'm just walking around outside and my friend actually just came. So I should probably go soon, but, um, You're going to a concert? Yeah, we're going to a concert in a couple of hours. Is this Norwegian band called aiming for Enrique? It's like these two guys, one guy plays drums and the other plays guitar, and then they have all of these like looping pedals and stuff like that. Sounds pretty Norwegian. All right, well, wish me luck. I'm going to go talk to your mom again. Yeah, good luck. And I understand the sheets too much. And, um, yeah, but, uh, yeah, I don't know what to say. But I know it's funny. It's like, you know, there's nothing really to say. It's like, I don't know if it's not like this made me believe everything she said. You know, it's just like some weird thing that happened. It's hard to explain. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, have a good, have a good night. Yeah, have a good rest of your day. And, uh, I'll probably speak to you in a few days or something. Yeah, okay. Okay, I'll see you later. Thanks. So I eventually got back on with Rogneal. I honestly really wanted to find something to explain this away. I can't drive that home enough. I mean, truly, I didn't want this to be real. Because what am I supposed to do with that? I was about to get married. I didn't want to be spending any of my time thinking about some kind of ominous Siri prophecy about my 40th birthday. I didn't even want to think about turning 40 at all. I was 34. So I ended up getting back on the call with her. Kind of tested her again, looked through her computer, talked for a few minutes. But then eventually I ended the call again. I was just done for the day. And then after that, I seriously didn't talk to her again for about four months. I did not need to spend my wedding and honeymoon thinking about these Norwegian women or them. I mentioned this only because I find it interesting that she never reached out to finish the interview or try to lure me back in. Look, this is not my first rodeo. When somebody's trying to manipulate you, they usually start to spiral when they feel like they suddenly lose control. That's when people tend to slip and you could catch them in a lie. But she didn't reach out. None of them reached out or even checked in at all after I abruptly stopped working on this and stopped messaging them. I thought that was interesting. Many months later, I did eventually finish that conversation with her. It was finally time to hear the rest of the story, and that's what you're about to hear. [Music] [Music] Hello again. Hey, sorry for that delay. Okay. No worries. Well, we're back. Can I ask you? Have you had any new thoughts about all of this? Like what you heard or saw too, I guess you didn't. Didn't you see it on the screen? It said on the screen, and the interesting thing is that it was written. It was right up here in the corner, and it said in English, I see you when you're 40. And the 40 was in numbers, and the rest was text. And I have been listening on the recording, and what we hear on the recording is that she says, "I see you when you're..." and then she says, "40 in Norwegian when you're fat. It's like she's mixing English and Norwegian." So then your age was said in Norwegian, and then the rest was said in English as I heard it when I was listening to the recording. All right. That is strange. Well... Welcome to my world. They give messages through that. They have done that sometimes. Yeah. They like to use technology, and they use different types. They love FaceTime. They started to use Skype for a while, but then they switched to FaceTime. And then it has just been the past few months they have used Siri once in a while, giving messages. But usually it has just mainly just been to me that they want me to inform me about something. Before that happened, I was just going to say this is a lot. It's really hard for my brain not to think this is weird, but it sounds like two yoga instructors that are tricking themselves into believing weird things. Like how do I not... I totally understand this. And I think you were in the middle telling him... I don't blame you at all. For us, it was very real. And like my man, he saw a lot of things flying around. My house and her house, he heard the phone calls, he saw the messages. And as he told me, and he was supportive the first two to three months, trying as good as he can. He's just a normal earthly soul. He was very supportive to my more clayboy inside, but this was too much for him. So he told me that I see that it happens. I understand that it's real because he couldn't explain it in another way, because there was nobody throwing this stuff around. He could tell that and he heard those weird phone calls. I have a lot of recordings and so forth that you can see. And so he just freaked him out. Honestly, it freaked him out. So I lost him. So what happened was that I lost... I had to give up him. I had to give up my home, my cat. And I lived with her for three years. And a lot of things happened. And how long were you with him? We were living together for 11 years. Yeah. And he left because of this? Yeah, he couldn't take it. He saw it. Did he believe you? Yeah. As he said, I see it. I see that it's happening. I see that it's really going on. So he didn't... In the beginning he thought it was her soda. But then he saw all these things moving and he heard the phone calls and he saw that I received phone calls when she was not close to the phone. So he realized that it was actually going on, but it scared him. It really scared him. So it was his home before I came into his life. He didn't want to continue and I just... You know, of course I was devastated, but at the same time I just had to respect it. I could understand him somehow because this is really something that are stretching our minds so much that it gets scared people. And it just scared him out of his skin. The thought of that they are there and you know, he didn't understand what to make out of it, but he just couldn't handle it. And I think he felt like he was invaded by it somehow. And also this was totally consuming in my time. So I was a lot of way with her, Sarah. But the breaking point was that all these things happening in our peaceful home out on the countryside where we only had, you know, peace and serenity for all those years and all of the sudden this comes in and things are moving and all these crazy things happening in his home. What do you tell people? Like, you know, I guess like regardless of whether or not people believe it, like you're hanging out with this young girl, like what do you tell normal people? That was such a challenge. I was not telling much to anyone. For the first two years, it was only a very tight circle of my friends that knew about it because they came to visit me. The excuse I used was that my man didn't want to be with me anymore. So I used that as an excuse why I was living with Sarah because when he broke up, I had to move. And it was so many things going on all the time between us and with them. So I was originally just going to stay with Sarah until I found an apartment. But that became three years. And I was like, and I'm sure, you know, Sarah lives quite close to my parents. So I was like, what do I tell them? What do I tell them? What do I tell them? I still haven't told my parents about this, but they, you know, they are very what should I say, very generous people. And I guess they just thought that it was convenient for me to stay there. And they realized like that I have this very motherly feeling for her. So I brought her and to my parents and with my daughters. And so she was a part of the family, but I never told my parents they still don't know what really happened. This story is not something that I held people on a daily basis. That's for sure, because I know it's mind-stretching. All right, we have to take a break, but we'll be back with the rest of this story. No matter what you're going through, you are never alone. Join me on my podcast from the heart with Rachel Braithin every Friday. Each episode is like sitting down with your best friend for a cup of coffee. From self-care tips to inspiration for healing, this podcast offers the chance to return to nature, return to community, and return to who you are at before. Straight from my heart to yours. Listen to and follow from the heart with Rachel Braithin on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. [Music] It seems to me that everything that happened in the very beginning, with Solvai Khara, Sarah, even your partner who is kind of witnessing it, but off to the side, it seems like that was one big intense period, and then at some point this branched off and almost turned into something else with you and Sarah experiencing it together and kind of going deeper into it than probably anybody expected. Is that the case? Yeah, that's the case. And Solvai told me during this period they were having you take pictures of yourselves and changing them, and there were photos being sent to you and photos appearing on your phone and strange things happening with photos. Can you tell me about this? It happened in different ways. They would tell us to take pictures either with my phone or with Sarah's phone, and what happened was that sometimes it was just seconds, sometimes it was minutes, sometimes it was hours. There was an extra picture next to the original one in my photo album on the phone, and it was altered. It was changed. How they did it? I don't know. I have no idea. But all of a sudden it was there, so it was like the same picture, but it was altered. And then also they sent us, I remember that they asked me to take a picture of me and Sarah together, then they asked me to check my phone, and then they had next to the pictures of us, it was pictures that were just light. Different colors of light was very different from the other pictures. And I asked them, "What is this?" And they said, "This is how we see you." And I said, "Okay, so you don't see us as physical beings?" And they said, "No, we don't see you as physical beings. We see you as energy." And was Sarah next to you during this? Yes. Yes, she was. And it just appeared on my phone in my album. And then I said to them, "Okay, so now we want a selfie from you." I told them, "What do you look like?" And then we got this blue orbs, blue swears. And I said, "Is this you?" Because I was kind of expecting, you know, alien face or something. And they said that, "Yes, this is us, and we are just energy. We don't have a physical form." So you shared a lot of these photos with me. I'm screen-sharing. Are these the ones, these pictures of you guys standing there? Are these the ones you're talking about? No, that's the ones that, you know, just were altered on my in the album. So the ones Sarah takes picture, the pictures of me with her phone. And I took the pictures of her with my phone. This part is troubling to me because I'm looking at these and these look like they could have been made with a photo editing app on a phone. In fact, I mean, I bet they probably were. They probably were made on a photo editing app and a phone is what they look like. Does it make you suspicious? I don't know where they're made, but they love technology. All I know is that all of a sudden it was on my phone. It was in my album. And I know for sure it was not Sarah doing it. How long would it be after you're taking the photo? Those specific ones that you had, you know, that was just a few seconds after it took the picture. This sounds a lot like a person doing this. Like, yeah, I get that. Were you suspicious of that? I mean, it's like a frightening almost. I can't help, but I completely get that. But I was so many times next to her and seeing the phone being far away from her, you know, and there has just been too many things happening that it's not possible that she could arrange. And I lived with her for three years. I would have realized if it was her during those three years. I only understand that it's hard to believe it. I really don't blame anyone. But honestly, for me, it's not very important that people, it's not very important for me to prove anything. If you know what I mean, I know what is my truth and I know what I experienced. I think to be completely honest, the only reason I'm still here on board, like listening to this is that I find some of the evidence to be so unconvincing that if you were actively trying to deceive me, I think you wouldn't show me this. Like, not all of it. Like, some of it, I truly can't explain. But like, this stuff in particular, I understand what you mean. Yeah, yeah, I understand you. But for me, this is not, I am very aware that it's impossible to prove anything. And you have to, then you have to be there. Like, you know, I think that's the only way to prove it is if you were there, actually. And so it with your own lives, you know. So for any game, anyone for not believing it. And that, but still, I cannot tell anything else then. And then what's true for me, at least. Yeah. And then it's up to people if they want to believe it or not. I'll say this, like, we can move on. Even though I find this aspect to be difficult to believe myself, I could, it seems that you genuinely believe that. Yeah, I generally believe that. Even though I generally understand your skepticism. Yeah, like you seem aware of, you seem aware that those photos actively work against you. Yes. And like me putting them out will make people believe you less. Well, yeah, I guess it's not for everyone. I'm sure it's very hard for people. But what can I say? I cannot lie. I just have to say how things are. And I know that it's very, very, very, very hard to believe this and because it's so mind-stretching. But there is a reason why we haven't told this story, you know? And it has been 10 years. My parents don't know anything about it. And I have a lot of friends that don't don't know anything about it because this is something that is just too hard for people. It's too hard for our brains, really. And at no point did you think somebody might be stalking you? Well, I had some glimpses during the first months. I was like, is there somebody hacking me? But then it has to be like on the CIA level or something, you know? Because then I had to be really monitored all the time. But the things that made me 100% sure it was not the case was that I had several times when I was going to text them and ask them a question. And even before I was able to start to write the text, the answer came. And how is that possible? Then you have to read minds. Do you think that it's possible that Sarah could have ever faked some parts of this at any points, like maybe pretended to be them in maybe moments of doubt? This is eight years. I guess it's possible, of course. Were there any times you thought she was? No, but in the end, when things were really... When the things were quite challenging, it's possible. But it's so many things that contradict it. But of course, it is possible. I cannot say that 100% sure that she didn't send some of those messages. I don't know. But I was witnessing so many times that those messages came to my phone when she was not touching her phone at all and she was not even married. So I don't think that she did. But I cannot say 100% for sure that she didn't do it. Did you ever do it to her? I mean, of course you could... No. When I'm for a long time, I could see myself... I could even see myself doing that a little bit myself as simple as... Yeah. You do the laundry, yes, yes. You clean, you do the dishes, yes, yes. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think that's what it is. But you know, the thing about them is that they don't want to control your life. And in the beginning, they were a little bit generous, you know, and I could ask some silly questions. But very rapidly, they just said, no, you have to find out that yourself. So our private life, they didn't want to interfere with. So I couldn't ask them about, you know, private stuff. They said that that's up to you, that's between you and that person, you know. So they are very... They don't want to interfere with our free will. I mean, you say that. But in a sense, it seems like they did control your life for quite some time. Yeah, but we could say no. We allowed it. If I had said no, they would have stopped it. And did you ever see them? Did you guys see the beings ever? With me and Sara, they came so close to us once that we could actually see them. Then they looked like holograms. They looked like these very, very, very tall beings. They were like several meter tall, tall. It was in the house where I used to live. We were asked to go out, me and Sara. And in the back of the house, it's this big field that you have to cross to come down to the water. And out on the field, they were standing, two of them. And it was like these really tall beings, they were transparent. So it must have been holograms, like a projection of, yeah. And Sara experienced it by herself in her apartment, only one. And then she saw them like they had different layers, you know, it was like they were having different colors. She saw them as blue magenta and like golden white in the middle. So it was like they were having different layers. But when we saw them, we saw them like really tall, bluish beings. So they are just energy, you know. Did you see their bodies or like was it? It's like, you know, it was like the bodies were waves, very, very different from our compact, you know, dense bodies. It was like the bodies were moving, you know, all the time. And they have several likes, and I have several times experienced that they physically come and touch us and move us. And they also, you know, another example I experienced with them is that that was me and Sara. We were sitting there and they were giving us information about, you know, meridians and energetic points in our bodies that you can affect in order to balance our system. And all of a sudden we just scream out and we have, you know, this, it's like they have been there with needles, but there was no needle there. And I was like, oh, is it possible to do this without hurting? And then said, okay, we will try and see if we find out. And then they started, you know, to show these points on our bodies. We didn't feel any pain at all. But the first time we felt it, but then they found other ways to do it. So, and I asked them, do you ever become physical? They told me that we can do it, but we don't want to do it. Because we can get trapped, as they say. It's very hard for them to go down into this dense frequency and to go back again. They say it's so easy to get trapped here. And with Sarah, she had visions and she got information and she was able to do things. What kind of things? Things that we call miracles. Can you elaborate? I will tell you, but I have to feel in if this is something that we can have on the show. I agree. Okay. So I have, she was 100% open. You know, she was 100% psychic. She just saw everything. And she saw them. And she was, you know, telling me that, okay, now they are here. She told me what they look like and everything. And she was the most extreme things that I experienced was that we were sitting there talking. And then all of a sudden she told me, mommy, just a moment. And then she just stood like this. And she had a crystal in her hand. One day she was having two crystals in her hand and she said, look at this. And she holds them out for me and said, okay. And then she closed her hand and she focused and she said, okay, now you can look behind your pillow. And she opens her hand and the stones are gone. And she has moved them. Yes. She moved things. She could move things. And what was she seeing in the visions? They were showing things like they were teaching us about geometry. So they were showing, you know, this shape, this, it's a star. It's it's the terminology of it in the geometry is Amercaba. It's a three pointed pyramid that one is pointing up and one is pointing down. And they were showing us that this is a geometrical shape that is very important. And they were teaching about geometrical shapes that are like building blocks in the universe. And that this shape is one of the building blocks. And they told us that this is the shape that they are moving with. So they're not, you know, they're not having any spaceships or anything. They're just light beings. So when they move, it's this is the, if we should comprehend how they move, this is the shape they move with. That's one of the things they showed. And they showed that water is very important. So the first thing that they told us is that it's it's not only the light, it's water and light together. And water and light together is creating this energetic field that you can move matter. And when they started to teach this, a lot of where things happen with water, it was all of a sudden it was manifested, they manifested water around us from from nowhere. I remember we were as a hotel because I have been traveling a lot with my job a lot in the Nordic countries, but also in Europe. So we were at a hotel and all of the sudden, I get this message that it says, "Watch up." And then it was like a big, what do you call it, a bucket of water coming over us. It was several leaders of water coming over us from nowhere. There was no water above us. It just manifested from nowhere. And that happened several times. And Sarah, for a while, she couldn't even be in the shower because if she got water on her crown chakra, she just disappeared. She went out of her body. What would it be like when she would go out of her body? For me, it looked like she painted. And for the first period of time when she was out, it was very hard for her to come back into the body. The first time they took her out, they called me on FaceTime. So I was kind of watching her over FaceTime. My first time being with her in person, I was terrified. Wait, so they called you on FaceTime? Yeah. So I could watch them. What were you seeing on the camera? They were moving the camera. And what did you see? I see her lying on the sofa or lying on the floor. Was she close up or far away? Well, sometimes close up, but other times far away. It depended. Like it could not have been her filming. No. And I have been with witnessing her coming out. And when she came back the first weeks or months, she was, you know, having a very hard time breathing when she came back. And first time I saw it, it was like she was, I was really terrified because I, for me it seemed like she was not breathing at all. I just couldn't tell that she was breathing, but she must have otherwise she would have a brain damage because she was gone, you know, all from one minute till 20 minutes she was gone. When she came back, she was having a very hard time to breathe. So I had to guide her every time I had to spend a lot, you know, a lot of time to help her to get a breath through the diaphragm and down into her belly so she could calm down. So it was very hard for her. And then after a while, it was less hard for her and then it became something that was, you know, it was totally fine for her. She just disappeared and then she came back and then she started to remember what was happening. When these things were happening to her, did you ever take her to the doctor or the hospital to see if there was some kind of medical explanation? Like, was he? Her father is a doctor, actually. So you don't think it was, you guys don't think it was any kind of medical explanation? No, no, because I knew what it was. They sent me messages with the exact time when they would take her out. And another example was that I was down in the south of France where I hold a retreat. And it was me and Sarah and another friend of mine, her name is Karina. And we were standing outside of a church looking into, you know, like window shopping, like women do. We were looking at some beautiful jeweleries in the window and it was this big window where you can see yourself clearly, you know, the reflection of yourself. So it was me on the right, Sarah in the middle, and then it was Karina on the left. And we could see ourselves in the mirror and all of the sudden Sarah was gone. She just disappeared. And me and Karina just looked at each other. You're like, shit, because I realized they took her, you know, where is she? And I was like, shit, shit, shit. And I was running in one direction and she in another direction. And we were looking for her in the church all over the place. And I was quite stressed out. And finally, we found her standing two or 300 meters away from where we were. She was standing on this big wall of stones, you know, looking out on the landscapes there. And I run up to her and she was just looking at me quite confused and just said, you know, it wasn't me doing it. And I said, I know it was not you. So with them, you know, like, what is their agenda? Like, what is it? What are they trying to say? What is the general message? And what were they doing with you guys? And like, why do you think? Like, why were they talking to you? I think they had two agendas. How I see it and how they have communicated it is that their message is love. Their message is that, you know, they are here around here. And it's if we damage this planet, it will affect them. Like, you know, we are a quite self-destructive race. We are not being very respectful to this planet or to the nature. We have a lot to learn in order to be more respectful to each other and to ourselves. So that's a big message. I am completely convinced that they will never allow us to push that button, you know, that atomic bomb button, because it will have too much big effect on them, on the rest of this galaxy. So that's one thing. But I don't know how to say it. They always say that we are you and you are us. And they also say that we are actually they're like our cousins, you know, and that we have their genes. And we have forgotten somewhere. And for some reason, we have forgotten and have completely disconnected from the consciousness that we all are a part of. And we have completely forgotten that we as a human race and on this planet with all living beings on this planet, we coexist and we are completely dependent on each other. And the same with them. So it's like this big matrix that we all belong together. So their message is just that hello, hello, we would like to help you, you know, to find your way. We are here if you want to listen. And I've never experienced anything negative with them, even though it has been quite intense. And even though like with Sarah, it has been a lot for her. And that's also why she has withdrawn, you know, it was a lot for her. I understand it can be scary because it's very powerful to experience their presence. And it's very mind stretching because we are so trained in not believing in it. What they say is that one of my missions you can say is to be this kind of bridge between the physical world and the other world. And I think that you are the same. And I think put in another way. And I think that the reason why that they said that we will meet you when you're 40. It's because then there is something and you are already in that mission. I think that because what you are doing, you are totally building a bridge. This is not something that just a few people experience. It's a lot of people experiencing. It's so many people that experience something that you can't really explain with the logical part of your brain. I think that we are waking up to realizing that there is so much more than just a tangible physical world. You know, the veil that is between this physical realm and the realm that they are existing in. It's becoming thinner and thinner. So one day we will start to, you know, it will be normal to be in connection with them. And as I see in the world today, it's so many people that have been afraid of talking about what they have experienced that are starting to share it. And so I think it's time, you know, where people start to talk about their experiences. And I think it's we are in the beginning of a time where we will start to coexist with them. They say that they were preparing us for things to come. Because it's normal for a human to be fearful when you experience something that you don't understand. And sometimes I ask them, why do my daughters have to go through this? And they said, because they have to let go of their fear. And then they say, because it's going to be a once where things will happen where we need to not be fearful. And my experience is that they are very wise, very funny. And they say that our biggest problem is that we have a brain. And what they mean with that is that we think too much. We are thinking far too much. And they say that we are far too serious. And we take life too seriously. We should have much more fun. And they love when we have fun and when we just fool around and dance and sing and, you know, those things. So yeah, they just want us to enjoy life more and, you know, be kind to each other. That's a big message. Yeah. So, I know this is a difficult question, I imagine. But when did this all come to an end? I know that you and Sarah aren't speaking anymore. Yeah, unfortunately. And that was very, very painful for me because, you know, I love her very, very much. And it was very complicated. And at a certain point, we decided to, you know, that we should share our story and write a book or, you know, talk about it. So we spent quite some time. And Sarah being young and a lot of things going on with her. So I know she was scared because she knows that people will believe it's her. She knows that she knows she has been aware of that the whole time, you know, she knows that people will judge her for being crazy. She knows that she is the first one that people will think that standing behind this. I think definitely that's one of the reasons why she cut the chord. It's definitely not the only reason. But I can only share my experience of it. I cannot talk on behalf of her. But she was having this struggle within her of, you know, embracing what has, what was happening to her and her abilities. And this other part of her that is a young woman who just want to be normal. She's having this struggle. And she, with herself, and the other one was that she wanted to be a part of it. And she didn't want to be part of it. And she was scared of, you know, releasing the story because what will people believe of her? And, you know, I'm sure, you know, people can be very judgmental. And people will believe that she did all of it. People will believe that she's insane. People will believe that I am insane. And, you know, but I have lived twice as long as her. So I'm, therefore, I'm more robust, I guess. And I can handle it in a different way. And also, she, you know, it was this personal thing that she was, I don't know, I really don't understand still what happened. I'm still shocked. And it's three years ago. But I met these friends, and they were very interested in, you know, our experiences. We started to hang out. And then she didn't want to get to know them. But then all of the songs she wanted to get to know them. And we were together. And they started to experience things with us, you know, with our galactic friends. And they found it very fascinating and very interesting. They had that idea that they would be a part of what I am Sarah was doing. And then I just told them, well, but we have friends. That's what we are. It's not like, you know, we were going to be a part of it. So, you know, is this, you know, this typical female dramatine going on? And so I had to set a boundary for them. And then it was this, I don't know, I really still don't understand what happened. Is she still friends with them? Is she still friends with them? She's, she's, she's with them. Yeah. Oh, so she's just normal style friends with them. Yeah. But they wanted to, they wanted that. But I don't know what has been going on for the last three years because I haven't been with them. I just have friends that know them. And so I only know through that what happened with Sarah is that she just, you know, cut off everything. I think that she still has the abilities, but she don't want to use them. And I think she got fed up because there was, you know, several people where, you know, there was all these SMSs going through her phone. And some of these people, you know, they wanted to be a part of it. And I think she just, you know, got sick and tired of it. It sounds like that there was several older women fighting over her all of a sudden. Exactly. That was what happened. So, so it was all these women in my age that was, that wanted her, you know, and her attention. It was a lot of things going on. It was some before those two and now it's those, those two. And you know, so I think it's just too much for her. And she's still young, you know, she's still young. Yeah. It happened very abruptly in October. It was like a shock for me. So it just went into this big storm that I've never understood and I still don't, I still, I still don't understand it really. Yeah, it's just a sad thing. If it was up to me, we would be friends and Sarah would be a part of my life and, and Surba's life and Carlos's life. But we can't decide over other people, can we? Yeah. It's very complicated, but she needed to just be Sarah. Let me ask you this. Do you think your life has become better or worse as a result of all this? For me, it has become better, but it has been very, very challenging experiences along the way. So it has not been a smooth road at all. I lost some friends, some dear friends. I lost my man. I lost the love of my life. I lost my dream home. And I tear up when I talk about it. And that's a high price to pay. And then I lost Sarah. And that's a very deep sort of me. And that's not easy. And it's very challenging, you know, when people ask you, what are you doing? And I cannot explain people, you know, because it's too much for people. And it's very hard to, you know, be the crazy one. When I know that I'm not. So there has been some losses during the way. Yeah. But I'm sure Sarah will be back, but she will just have to find the way herself, you know, and take her time and, you know, experience life. And I'm sure she will be back. But I don't know when. [Music] Next week, we will be bringing this very strange series to a close. So stay tuned. This has been them part five. The title is I see you and you've been listening to other world. All right. This week, we're going to be doing an extra long Patreon episode discussing all this stuff. If you want to listen to that, you can become a patron at patreon.com/otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juliana Barwick. 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