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Sheriff Mark Lamb - Jeff Poor Show - Monday 8-12-24
(upbeat music) ♪ The first thing I remember knowing ♪ ♪ Was alone ♪ - Well, good morning, everyone. April Marie here, so great to start my week off with you guys, filling in for Jeff Poor. If you're not following me on social media, you can find me on Facebook and X at April Marie. That's A-P-R-Y-L-M-A-R-I-E, April Marie. I am so excited to have my next guest on. You guys heard me talking about him a little bit last week. If I were an Arizona resident, as opposed to an Alabama resident, Sheriff Mark Liam would have been my choice for U.S. Senate. He is just an absolute beast at the border. He understands all the problems we've got going on there and how important it is for the safety and security of all of us across the nation to get that thing closed. Please to have Penal County Sheriff Mark Liam join us this morning. Good morning, sir. - Well, good morning, April. And thank you for the intro. I appreciate it. I couldn't use your vote. (laughs) - Well, you really, you know, I met you at the FAIR conference, the immigration conference that they put on connecting radio hosts around the country to strong supporters of a secure border a couple of years ago. And I've just loved talking to you since. Talked us a little bit about, you were just at the border yesterday giving, or last week, I guess, when I was on air, giving a tour to a member of Congress. What are you seeing there right now? - Well, this is the summer. So it's always a little bit down, you know? When we talk, we look at Joe Biden and he came out and did some things. And now they're talking about how they reduce the numbers. No, the numbers naturally go down during the hot months because it's so incredibly dangerous and just miserable out in the desert this time of year. But the numbers are still there. Look, we still have a ton of gotaways coming through. There's two types of the layups the people that just come across and give up and maybe make an asylum claim. And then there's also the gotaways, the people that are in the camouflage clothes, the carpet shoes that are trying to avoid law enforcement detection. And in the Tucson sector, we lead the way. And they estimate it's between 250 and 500 a day that are coming in. So we deal with a lot of that where we're at, whether it's in vehicles, we had a pursuit last week, what involved in one of those vehicles in a bailout. We've had some pretty big drug bust recently. So yeah, it's a pretty active skill. - Well, we talk about the gotaways. And last week I saw some statistics on the number of individuals who they caught who were on the terror watch list or the number of individuals they caught who they then run a background check on and find should not, certainly should not be here. What are your biggest worries about these gotaways and who they are crossing the border that is just do not want to be apprehended? Do not want to turn themselves in. - You know, my biggest worries are who are they? You know, just with the sheer amount of numbers at one point that the Border Patrol has told me, we're only able to bet about 5% of these people. And what we see a lot is ID dumped. What that means is they'll get to the border and they dump their IDs. So we find these huge piles of identification, passport, all that stuff. They dump them because then they can say there who they can make up a new name, say wherever they're from, and it doesn't matter. And so it doesn't matter to the, you know, obviously our government doesn't care enough. And now how do they go back and most of our countries are third world countries. So even if you were to call and do a background check on somebody from Sudan, what are the chances that the government is going to have anything on them? It's not like here where everything can commute, computerize and just, you know, where you have, you can get a criminal history report. I mean, it's just so expensive. And then a lot of these people actually have criminal histories here. People that, like a couple of weeks ago, Border Patrol stopped seven people that were convicted sex offenders. People that were convicted of sex offenders here in this country sent back and they were either convicted of a sexual assault or actually some of them were actually raped, some of them were actually sexual misconduct with a minor. So they luckily we stopped seven. How many did we not stop? - Right. - So I guess, I get concerned about the people that might have terrorist ties. And it's not just the ones I talked to the FBI. And they said it's not just the people that are on the terror watch list. It's the secondary and tertiary people. Those are the people that may not be on a list, but they're equally as involved in the terrorist organizations. I always equate it to a biker gang. You have a biker gang and there's a fully patched member. And then the next level down is a prospect. So they have a patch, you know, they're not fully patched. And then you have the hang around. Well, the prospects and the hang around do the majority of the work. And so my concerns are about the secondary, tertiary terrorist threats. You've got criminals coming in this country. I think they have 40,000 people they stopped last year that were convicted of a crime or wanted for a crime here in America that we're trying to get back into our country. So those are the things that keep me up. And then the fentanyl and the other drugs. Those are all things that really concern me. And when you throw that all together, this is the greatest national security threat we're facing. This is what's claiming the most amount of American lives. - Well, and it is, they're trafficking in the fentanyl, human trafficking, gun trafficking. And it seems that in DC, you know, we talk about it. I say we conservatives, we Republicans talk about it. But truly it's, this is an issue that goes across all political spectrums. And there isn't a person in this country who isn't feeling the results of this porous, if not open border. What is the morale situation? - Can I just say one thing to that? - Yes. If we had an honest media, if the media was truly doing journalism and reporting things the way that are supposed to be reported, then all people would see this as the problem that it is. Republicans, Democrats, and independents. But because the media, if you're watching CNN or MSNBC or one of those more liberal, more progressive stations, you're gonna get a much different idea of what the voter is than if you watch Fox and Newsmax and L.A.N. and Real America's Boy. I mean, you're gonna get a very different view. So I think that journalism in this country, part of the First Amendment is the media, you know? Their ability to tell the truth really has an impact on this country. That's why the Founding Fathers put it in the First Amendment. So I think where we're at is large in part because the media has failed to tell the truth to people. - Absolutely, and worse than failed to tell the truth, there are media outlets that are outright lying. They want you to believe each and every person crossing the border is a dreamer who's gonna be the next valivatorian, is gonna be the next person to, you know, do something amazing in this nation. And unfortunately, that's not everyone's intent. There are people crossing the border with very bad intentions or no clue whatsoever what they're going to do. - Let me ask- - You can't keep letting the third world of the third world come in and not expect to become third world yourself. - That is such a great point. How is morale? What are you seeing when you talk to your officers, when you talk to the federal law enforcement there, when you talk to neighboring counties, just in terms of recruiting those to work the border or those who have worked the border and feel like this administration is, if possibly even hostile to one? - In terms of the border, for example, my agency, Morales High, why? Because we're out there doing our job. We're frustrated because we can do it every day because the government's not doing their job. We feel like we're not getting an interaction. But we're working hard every day and we're spending a lot of resources to the federal government. You take some other local jurisdictions and counties, they're frustrated because maybe their agency isn't as aggressive as maybe we are dealing with the border issue. And then you go into the federal side, the federal side, those guys just are miserable. They're not able to do their job, but they've become glorified babysitters. You constantly have the media attacking ICE. ICE is the removal portion of it and the detention portion of it. And then you have border patrol, who is the border security piece of it. And then you have customs and border protection. Those people control, they control the courts. And all of them are very frustrated because they're overwhelmed, they're overworked, they've become glorified babysitters and they're not able to do the job that they know needs to be done and that they're capable of doing. You can imagine how frustrating that would be to have somebody, this administration, put handcuffs on you for the job that you know you're supposed to be doing. - Oh, absolutely. And we've seen in Texas, they've got, the governor there has said enough. We're gonna do what we can statewide. This has gone to the courts. Arizona, how are you feeling about your governor and her role in trying to secure the border? - Well, first of all, Arizona started this back in 2010, 2011 with something called SP 1070. They tried to take some control of it. I think the problem that Arizona, the mistake they made is they made the mistake of getting into the immigration portion of it. You have immigration and you have border security. Those are, while they intertwine most of the time, they are still two separate issues. You need to protect your borders and you also have to deal with immigration. Well, I think that bill dealt too much with immigration and what Texas learned from that, as Texas said, look, what we need to do is talk about the border security piece of it saying if you come into this country and break the law, then we should be able to enforce it, which is I think absolutely correct. One thing that most people don't realize is immigration, and I'm going to ask you, well, I don't want to put you on a spot in your radio show. Most people don't realize that immigration is not, that authority was not given to Congress in the Constitution. Article one, section eight gave the authority of Congress to establish uniform rules of naturalization. Immigration was actually given over time to the Supreme Court and to other courts, which is why I think you're seeing such a struggle why they're ping ponging that issue back and forth from the Supreme Court to the lower district court because they are trying to figure out who has that right, you know, the immigration piece of it. But I think Texas absolutely has the right to protect their borders and I'm glad that they're fighting it. I wish Arizona would do more. I'm not hopeful with the current governor and I'm not super hopeful. We're not looking real great. We're a red state, but we're broken politically and you know, the left has really taken advantage of that and you know, Arizona is at a real critical time right now as to whether, what we're going to look like in the next four, six, 10 years. - Well, I'm glad you transitioned to that. That was, I was going to follow, kind of wrap up this interview with that. So Arizona is of course a very key state, but we've seen some changes in terms, as you said, there's been, there's been some challenges, even within the party of different, cut more factions evolving. And what do you see in terms of the presidential election and Trump versus Kamala? What does the energy feel like? What does the organization feel like? What are your thoughts leading into that? - You know, look, I ran for the US Senate here because I thought that I would really be able to help President Trump secure another victory here. I don't know, I don't know what it looks like. It's a day by day thing. I still think President Trump's going to win in Arizona, but it's going to be tough. And really what Arizona has, you know, we have a late primary, our primaries are in, was it August? They moved it to July 30th. They moved it up one week. We have a broken Republican party where we've just got, we can't seem to get along. We've got a huge cross-section of independence in this state that want to vote conservative, more conservative than liberal, but they find themselves getting really wrapped up in what the media sells them on who the best candidate is and it's not always the best candidate. And so we found ourselves in this thing where we've lost some really key elections that we shouldn't have lost. And part of it is we have 27 days of early ballot. I think that is a terrible idea. And it allows them 27 days to go out and really ballot chase and get as many ballots as they can. And it makes, and those, by the way, those laws were passed by Republican legislatures. And so I think we did ourselves an injustice in trying to make voting as easy as possible. And reality is I think that voting is a very important part of our citizenship and it shouldn't be as so easy as to just mail something in. I think that it should require a little bit more than that. And it should require that shows some real citizenship on your part. So yeah, look, for a lot of those reasons, we've kind of lost our way here in Arizona and we're hoping to take it back. But I still think President Trump comes out on top in Arizona right now, but man, they're doing the best they can to paint. Well, it's usually what you find out in an open field where there's tons of towels and bowls and it drops and it's steamy and it's not a thing. And they're doing the best they can to paint what they've got in Washington, D.C. to make her look like a great candidate. - Yep, well, I appreciate you taking the time to talk with us today. If our listeners want to find out more about you, they want to follow you, where can they do so? - You can come on Instagram, probably where I'm most active, American sheriff, or on Twitter, which I don't love, because leaders and trolls and journalists are American, but that's Sheriff Lamb One. And, or you can come to sherifflam.com. - You got it. - You can transition my site, my site from the Senate site to a site that's more focused on the sheriff land. So, thank you so much for having me on, April. - Thank you, thank you for calling it, taking the time to call them today. All right, with that, we're gonna hit a quick break, and when we come back, we'll continue to talk about the border, how absolutely important it is that we secure that, what we know is going on there. We'll also talk a little bit more about just some of the issues that came up this weekend. We're gonna get into Elon Musk interviewing Trump tonight, how fun that's gonna be. 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