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That's indeed.com/bluewire. Terms and conditions apply. Need to hire? You need Indeed. Can you cry? No. Are you crying? Are you crying? There's no crying? There's no crying in baseball? You think football is still fun? Yes, sir. Yes, no. No, sir, it was fun. Not anymore though, is it? Is it? No, not by the way. No, it's not fun anymore, not even a little bit. Just look at that, he hit the fall. That gets a free stay. You having a fun guy? Oh, yeah, I'm having a blast. That's good. All right, welcome back to Big Screen Sports, the podcast where all movies are sports movies. I am your host, Kyle Bandhuo, and today we are talking Shorzy season one, episode three, loving diving deep into Shorzy. We might, this was supposed to be a season one thing. This might turn into an all three seasons thing. It's just great re-watching this show, joining me today. The great Alex McDaniel, as always. And then returning to the show, the great Adam Amin. You know him as a broadcaster for Fox Sports. He calls the Chicago Bulls. You hear him on national football, national baseball games. And he's great, great on the show. Guy loves this show, knows how to talk to the themes that they're bringing out in Shorzy every week and is also a house music a DJ. So perfect, perfect guests for this one, considering all the house music and the way that they incorporate that into Shorzy. Great episode, great to be joined by Alex and Adam. And I do want to shout out our Big Screen Sports Patreon group who picked this show to be covered, especially our new patron, Jamie Bryan. Jamie joining as a big chill level producer patron. He joins Aaron Figaro, Mike Schubert, Steve Rogers, Kevin Frost, Mike D. Ryan Neger, Mike Drews, Chris Micoski, John Krex, Anthony Zakrich, Class Day and Fire, Stephen Abode, Dan McFall, Kevin Inkland, Macklins, Kurt Ricci, Robert Dove, Andrew Teakle, Benjamin Baume, Jeff Esis, Anthony Scapone, Taylor Logan, Sean Hoffman, Peter Roble, and Jamie Bryan. Big thanks to them and all of our patrons for supporting the show. If you want to support the show, you can go to patreon.com/bigscreensports. You can keep this thing going. You can have a say in what this show covers, like Shorzy, like our upcoming live watch of blood sport. So as always, we do want to thank our patrons for supporting this show. And without further ado, let's talk to Alex McDaniel, Adam Amine, talk Shorzy season one, episode three. All right, joining me tonight to continue our recap episodes of Shorzy. She is the the czar of TV content on on big screen sports, and he is a broadcaster for prox sports and the Chicago Bulls. It is Alex McDaniel and Adam Amine. Guys, thank you so much for joining the show. Very excited. I'm going with czar again this week. Going with czar. I think I think czar is going to stick. I like I like czar. I'm I'm with it. I heard it last on last week's episode and I thought that that seems fitting, I think. Oh, Adam, listen to the podcast. Sure. We've got one. We've got at least one. At least one. We've got one. We also we have the Patreon group. I do want to shout them out early because they they did send us on this this Shorzy ride. But before we get into it, Adam, where can the folks hear your your dulcet tones coming up in the next few weeks? Chicago Bears preseason games coming up that we're on a football now. And the national Fox game for the preseason is every network gets a preseason game. We have Saints and 49ers on August the 18th from Santa Clara. Lovely. Can't wait with football seasons finally here. Everyone's everyone's happy. And Alex, where can the folks follow you when when you do reveal the content eventually? When I eventually get back to making content, but I'm not being so secretive of my life plan. Alex McDaniel had various places. Google that you find it. I have appreciated that you've gotten back on Twitter solely to retweet these episodes, which is just truly lovely. I know. I mean, I'm trying to be active. Like I tried to give threads to run, but do you see my tweet the other day? How I said threads is like background actors and movies who are pretending to have a conversation but they're not actually speaking. That's like it's so bad. It's like people on Facebook mimicking what they think Twitter is. Threads had that one day. It like it had that one day to suck up all the oxygen when everyone was like, Oh, Twitter's going to die. Threads is going to be the thing. And then the feed wasn't chronological and everyone was like, I'm out. We all went there. I went there. I look through it and I still get sucked in via Instagram because you know, they'll pop up. Hey, read this thread and I'll be like, yeah, I want to see what the last three sentences of this thing is and I'm always disappointed. I've never once been satisfied by clicking on a thread link at any point. Yeah, I took it off my phone. But college football season, I'll be tweeting again, of course, because that's where I really shine. Looking forward to all the panicked tweets on Saturdays coming up. And the lane TikToks got to bring him back. I mean, didn't he? He just did something recently. I thought is it is late? Oh, late. You're lane. I mean, my lane. Yeah, lane lane seems to be going strong on TikTok. Yeah, he's pretty strong. Yeah, folks, you can follow me on Twitter. Retweeting every single RFK junior meme. I can get one of my favorite formats in a very long time. And Kyle, didn't you like write a book or something? I did write a book. I did write a book that you said lovely, you and Mike both said lovely things about movies with balls, the greatest sports films of all time, analyzed and illustrated. That comes out on September 24th is available for pre-order. Wherever books are sold features 26 of the greatest fictional sports movie matchups of all time. We have some hockey in there. We've got we've got Slap Shot, which is great. Love Slap Shot. And referenced in this episode. And referenced in this episode. Yes, did the Reg Dunlop reference there? I had to cut had to cut goon towards the the final edits of the book, which was which was tough a movie I love very much. But yeah, movies with balls available. They'll be wherever books are sold. And really quick back to RFK junior. If I can find a way to work in some sort of RFK junior category by the time we're done with this episode, we will do it because I'm the the meme of him sitting back and then talking about a bad idea of saying this bad idea is all time, all time. If Alex was nice enough to share with me a chapel roan esque or chapel roan themed RFK junior meter, that was a big fan of. Yeah, I made a TikTok where it's just him talking about it. But it's the beginning of ultra graphic super modern girl. You know, you listen to chapel roan? I have been listening to chapel roan. Yes, I was also great on TikTok. Yes, we love chapel roan. Yeah, Caroline sent one that was RFK. And it was like, so I was over at the house and the Lindbergh baby was just sitting there. It's absolutely incredible. Absolutely incredible. We're not here to talk about RFK junior, unfortunately. We're here to talk about. Shorzi season one episode three, know your role, Shorzi and the new Sudbury blueberry bulldogs. Play timbers, play the apple dorns, get their first dub, go out for paninis after the game. Adam, before we dive into it, what is your relationship with this show? When did when did Shorzi come to you? Are you an instant convert really starting at the toilet scene in episode one? I was an instant convert when Alex sent me the initial loramor Shorzi scene and just said, listen to this, watch this, and I think you're going to like this show. So I watched the scene and then I watched it three or four more times just because I love the in a nod to peppy panini, the pitter patter of the two characters going back and forth and the flirtatiousness. I heard you guys talking about it last week. This very non-threatening, innocent flirtatious back and forth between Shorzi and Laura Mora. And I was familiar with letter Kenny. I always appreciate a letter Kenny. I never really went into the episodes. I've watched maybe five episodes of letter Kenny throughout the 10 or 11 seasons, whatever it is. I just appreciate the comedy, but it never really sat right with me and never really stuck with me. But this for whatever reason, the back and forth nature of it, I love Shorzi as a character. I love the compilations. I know Mike was kind of thrown back last week when you guys were talking about the chirping that he does with Jonesy and Riley in that show. And I naturally went and started seeking out all these clips of Shorzi and all of his chirps. And I'm like, I think this is something. I watched the first episode. It did not hit me the way I think it may have hit other people. But I also think a lot of people watch the first episode and weren't really interested in it. And I think it's because it was so focused on the exposition, on the introduction. You're trying to lay the groundwork for people who don't know anything about Shorzi. If you're a letter Kenny fan, you're like, yeah, I already know all this. Let's pick up the pace here. And if you're new to the show, I think the pacing wasn't really where it wanted to be. Once it got to episode two, and I think you guys talked about this last week, I was hooked. I was in the Soul Wax drop at the end of episode two is my favorite drop of the entire series. It's number one. It's still number one for me. And the way it was shot, how cinematic this looks. And I think in this episode, you really get a sense for the cinema of it. Like it's really well shot. And it's a taste of how the hockey scenes are going to look for the rest of the series. I was completely hooked as of episode two and episode three only solidified it for me. Yeah, it's funny you say that episode one, you weren't immediately sold, because we talked a lot when we did episode one about just the humor of Shorzi on the toilet. Like I was sold just from a humor perspective. But I remember when people were initially pitching me on the show, there was a lot of saying like similarities to lasso, the heart, things like that. And that nature doesn't really come through in episode one. It's definitely more exposition, definitely more that that toilet humor thing. But I think by the time we get to the end of this, we're really seeing that in terms of, you know, it's it's not a carbon copy of Ted Lasso, I think which to its benefit. But the the same kind of hard in this show, the same kind of teamwork focus, things like that is this is like the the crux of I think if you get through even if episode one is not for you, I think if you get through three, you should be all the way in. I think so. I would assume most people if they they watch all the way through, you're about an hour into the show now. Like I think absolutely. Alex with with this one, you know, kind of getting on to the midway point of the season, what's the big takeaway from episode three for you? Ooh, the big takeaway. I agree with both of you said, like I know it's people keep saying it, but it just have a lot of heart as a show. And I think it really starts to show up in this episode. I love the line about if you'll go to the wall for me, then you can call me a blank blank blank. I won't say it because God knows. I don't like vulgarity. Yeah, definitely not a vulgar person is not you. It's certainly the anti Ted Lasso, but in the best way, I think, because it still has the same things, but I think hold that storytelling together, which is, you know, I think opening with him crying to the Canadian national anthem is the most incredible thing. The no shot right now because like, so see him crying. First of all, you're exposing more about Shorzi. It's like, how can you not like a guy who cries the national anthem? And even though it is a little cliche at this point, it reinforces this idea in sports when it comes to the ties to nationality and how strong that is. And I think especially when you look at hockey in particular, and you look at Canada in particular, especially these small towns, where it's so important, they just immediately drive home the fact like, this matters. This story matters to these people and in the grand scheme of things. So, this is the first one that definitely made me be like, well, fuck, they made him lovable, you know, because that sure is just an idiot. And now it's like, oh man. Okay. Yeah. And he's a, Shorzi is a play until the wheels fall off guy. Like, he loves this through and through like, he doesn't want, he hates losing. And that's why, you know, they're never going to lose again. But he also, he can't have this team fold. He loves, you see him crying with the national anthem. Like, he the full notion, merino, he loves this. Adam, what was your takeaway in this one? What's the big, the overarching message or the big poll from episode three? Everybody's in it together. The team concept, which is essential, right? That's why you get hooked into an ensemble show in any capacity, especially in sports though. And I know we'll use, I imagine you guys will use this for the rest of the season. I've, I kind of got introduced to it this way. Like the lasso blueprint is there. It's not, I agree with Alex, it's, it's very anti-hero version of Ted lasso, but it's, the blueprint is very much in place. You have to care about these people, and you have to know that they care about each other, or at least are en route to caring about each other. And that's very clear in this, especially from that, that introduction speech, right? With Sanguinet and Shorzi, you know, you can, you know, you can call me whatever you want to on the way through running through the wall for me. So, you know, we're brothers. That, that becomes very obvious. That was obvious at the end of episode two, when everybody gets goodies back at the club, at the Coulson, you need to care about them. And you need to know that, all right, they're going to care about each other. So I feel safe investing care into these characters. And I think all of that was very clear once we got to this episode, and then obviously once we got into, you know, Jonathan D'Abby getting, Adolo getting into a fight to start a game, you know, to set the tone against the Apple Dorns and against Timmers. Yeah, and piggybacking on that, we also, we get our first long glimpse at hockey in the show. And we get to see that this show is going to put in the effort to make the hockey look great. I was giving it a lot of thought, and that hockey might have the highest rate of success in movies in terms of looking good, because you cannot put such and so and so random actor out on skates and have him look good. Like most hockey movies have, either cast hockey players like Shorzi, like Miracle, or put the actors through rigorous training. Slapshot did that. The Mighty Ducks did that. So I was with Keenan talking about it. I was just thinking about that. I think he was on Fallon, right? Or Seth Meyers or something, and he was saying like, oh, we all went skating at Rockefeller, and people like, wow, Keenan can skate. It's like, yeah, I learned, because I had to during Mighty Ducks. And I grew with it, Kyle. You can't fake hockey. I think you can fake some things. We've seen plenty of baseball movies, but we had to watch Freddy Prince Jr. get in a jersey and then tell us he's throwing 95. We've seen some shit. I love Major League partially. Obviously, it's a great movie and blah, blah, blah. But like Charlie Sheen was a pitcher, and he looks like a pitcher when he's on the mound as wild thing. Like you can't fake that. So hockey, I think, is the hardest of those things. So I think it's the most satisfying when you see it done well. And I think that's why Mighty Ducks endured for a long time. That's why Slapshot endured for a long time. And I think that's why I love the cinematic. Like I said, every hockey scene from here on out, if you stick with this show, you will realize how cinematic it is. The music that they use for all these scenes is excellent as the music throughout the episodes are. All of it comes together when you get to these, you know, key scenes that that actually show you the talent of all these people that are hockey players that are on camera for this. Yeah, because there's a version of the show where they could have gone much more compressed with the hockey. Quick cuts, very short looks at what's happening in the game, a lot of scoreboard stuff, a lot of tracking shots of suresy, just chirping and doing that stuff. And instead it puts in, yes, this is a comedy about this hockey team, but like you're going to see this hockey and you're going to care about it. And you're you're going to be in the flow of the game. And I think it's one of the biggest touch points I think with this episode, thinking about the framing device that they use. This is our, this is our first hockey match and showing us period by period. And then the, you know, the, the, I don't know, honestly, I don't know what they call it in hockey, the half, the intermission, intermission. Yeah, I wanted to say intermission. I was like, that's broadway. But the intermission and how they're going about it and how, you know, because that's one of the biggest things in sports. We talk about the halftime adjustments and things like that. But like how they're going through it in the game and seeing the different personalities, seeing how, how kind of frantic shores he is, how aggressive he is telling Frankie to shoot the fucking puck, but how, how relaxed Hitchcock is, which is, which is just a delight. I think it's an incredible framing device. And for this show's first debut of what it's going to do for hockey was a huge success. Absolutely loved it. Alex, what is the, it's the best moment of this episode for you? Oh, it's just, I need to look at the run sheet. There are a lot of moments they really love, um, you know, there are a few of them. I like going back to this thing when that scene where you're talking about like, I want to be good at this. And at this point in the show, I can't remember like how I felt about it when I was watching it back then. But it was easy to think like he's just going to kind of be sort of a wet blanket on the show. Like, oh man, I feel sorry for this kid. He's not going to be able to do well. And he gets sure is behind him. And then I love when they're in the locker room. And he's like, what does he say? I'll turn the floor over to sure. Real fucking grace saying good. Yep. I love like watching him come into his own like, you know, he's got the suit and his hairs braided and everything. And I just, I know it's not like a traditionally big scene, but I really love that. I got to tell you that last shot at the end when, they're all like at the apartment sitting on the couch, it's such a beautiful scene. I think it's such a, maybe not a total standout like chills moment, but it just sort of solidifies like, this is the serious show. And these people know how to tell stories. And I think it's, it's really fantastic. And another thing too, not to go on a ramp. I don't think we've talked about this yet. Like the first nation's representation on this show is done so well. And it was done so well in letter canning as well. And actually, there was a indigenous character on that show. I can't remember her real name, but her character's name was Canis. He's the consulting producer on Shoreley to make sure that for all of the representation they have, like it's reflective of what a town like this would be like and what Sudbury in real life is like. And you especially see that it reflected in how many indigenous people are in power in this show and women for that matter. And I think that's something we haven't really touched on, but it just gets bigger and better every episode. The care, the care put into almost every aspect of this show is really significant. Adam, what's the best moment of this one? I actually was going to talk about this as well. And I had a written down the whole run from the house music over everything when it says 24 hours earlier, sitting in Pepe Panini, that whole back and forth about you're my brother, will you go through a wall for me into saying when that calling out the lineup. And that's the first time we really get that team feel outside of the fight at the end of episode two, you really get the sense of like, good because you're going. Whoa. Down there, but what I'm saying here? All hands for leisure suits, sang or luck. Timmons, timber, king's boys, game. Fucking one. Goody, you ready? Ready, Gatsby. Good because you're going. Yeah, solo, you ready? Shula, senior. Good because you're going. Yeah. Pitch, you ready? Let's get on to go, boys. Good, you're going. Yeah. JJ, Frankie, JJ, you ready? Wait. What? Wait. Good because you're going. Yeah. Greet the fucking day, bud. Somebody gets this guy a fucking Jolt Cola. Showsy, you ready? Give your balls a tug, Titfucker. You're going. Yeah. I'll hand over the floor to Showsy. Well, that was fucking graceful, Sanguinet. You know, Alex and you and me were in a group chat for this episode, and we call it good because you're going, and that's going to be a theme throughout. You're going to get a lot of fun little one-liners or, you know, let's get on the go, boys. You know, when Hitchcock gets called, JJ is always confused, you know, every time they call his name. I really love that stretch, that little run. And right after that, when he does bring Shoresy and kind of explain everything and talk about the game plan that night, and he's insulting fish and, you know, the other guys, you know, the non-main characters, I, I, it stuck out of me that we have three Ojibwe gyms. And just the fact that you referenced the Ojibwe tribe, and it's like, these are our guys and all of that combined, that little probably like, it's probably like four minutes, maybe four minutes of the show. There's a lot packed into that. So I think that was probably my favorite, the speech, to the lineups, to insulting the non-main guys, to bringing the gyms in, and you hear from the gyms for the first time, Jim, yeah, Jim, let's go Shoresy, Jim. You know, like, oh, I think just that four minutes really kind of gets you ready for that. That's the blueprint. Now you're getting like a skeletal structure of the show and how it's going to go every time we have one of these games. Yeah. And that's, that's the kind of thing that has always drawn me to sports movies and sports TV shows is getting put inside the mind and like inside the locker room on the ice situations that most of us will never be in have never been in. Or if you, you know, are a former hockey player, like you really resonates with you. But, but getting put inside that stuff that you don't see on a TV when you're just watching a Tuesday night hockey game and seeing that team come together and seeing everyone get fired up, you know, the good because you're going and how that works. And it's, it's just really delightful to watch the team finally come together. But I will say my best moment is far more shallow. It is right at the opening of the game when the guy nods at Dolo Dolo just just nods with his nods with his eyelids and then they scrap because, yep, listen, watching watching guys fight in hockey is fucking sick. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely love it. It's it's a completely different breed of dude. But I love that the first real game we get, it starts out like that and really the entire game. Everything on the ice you guys will will dive into the music, but like at needle drop, I was just like everything they play during the hockey game is hits hits the perfect notes. But piggybacking on that, Adam, what what worked for you about this episode as a whole? What are things that stick out? I think as I was like doing my notes, I was just writing down random things like this was good. This was good. Like in a 20 minute show, there's so much you can pull of like this this really contributed to my enjoyment of this episode. There's really good writing and I don't just mean everything's funny. It's you get a lot from and again, I understand that I'm looking at this with the context of having seen all three seasons now at this point. But you get a lot from like Pam when she gets introduced, right? The waitress said at Pepe Panini like like you she's the, you know, wisecracking sardonic, you know, waitress and you get a lot of that right out of the gate. The cinematics of what you just talked about Kyle when we first get the first fight, you know, and they lock into Dolos visor. And when he takes off his helmet and the kind of slow motion, you know, the high speed camera that they use and then, you know, it slows down to you can see his kind of, you know, his dreads kind of wave in a little bit. It just looks really cool and it matches up with the music so well. I know, you know, you guys have talked about it and there's a reason that you have the needle drop category for this show in particular. But letter Kenny's music was always really, really good. And for me, this is honestly, I don't say this hyperbolicly. I think this is one of the best shows I've ever seen in terms of music use. I'm at I'm towards the tail end of a scrubs rewatch as my background show right now. And that was probably my all time favorite show in terms of using music to emphasize the moment or underlie the moment in a really impressive aesthetic way. I think everything really comes together fabulously for the music, the visual, all of it. And then just, I think how cool everybody is like, they make everybody seem really cool. Everybody's got something to contribute. Everybody feels like they're a part of this. Megan Zieg, I've when you really be here, how badass they are, along with Nat, like they're really in charge. Like they rip on Tendi. One of my favorite sequences is after the game, they win. And you know, everybody's kind of shitting on Tendi because he didn't have a very good game. And it's like, it's either me or Shorzi. And it's clearly they're going to choose Shorzi. So he's like, fine, I'm out of here. And Zieg just rips him and goes, I'll get you a ball hockey team to let him 20 goals. You fucking piece of shit. And she just crushes them. And fish is going back and forth with Sanger. And me jumps in and is like, how many times do you need to fucking say it fish? Like make a decision. And I just really like how they got so much character building in short spurts. Like you said, this is a 20, 23 minute episode, whatever it is. And you learn so much about the peripheral characters, which again, like Lasso, you have to care and like and appreciate the peripheral characters. Otherwise the ensemble show doesn't work. So all that worked for me. And it really kind of glued everything together for this episode. We're driven by the search for better. But when it comes to hiring, the best way to search for a candidate isn't to search at all. Don't search match with Indeed. Indeed is your matching and hiring platform with over 350 million global monthly visitors, according to Indeed data and a matching engine that helps you find quality candidates fast. Ditch the busy work. 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I would struggle in this town. You got to be you got to be able to give it back. You either have to be able to give it back or be goody when you're being called a child that you're just like, I don't fucking care. Whatever. I don't think I just I just want some chicken figures. Chicken fingers are incredible. Alex, what worked for you? A lot. I feel like there are more letter cutting nods in this one. I know I always come back to that. But what are a few of those I for those of us who don't really know the show as well? Like what are a few that stuck out for that? So like heavy panini is first of all a real restaurant in Sudbury and its owners were actually on letter Kenny as characters. The pitter patter panini is a direct call back to Wayne on letter Kenny because his phrase around the farm is pitter patter. Let's get out of her. What else? Well, there's something else and I was like, oh, it's so great. Usually when you see a bar scene in their drinking beer, they're usually drinking peppers, which is a fake beer that was made up for letter Kenny. So you just see so many and I know we pretty sure we've talked about this before. So letter Kenny was shot in Sudbury. It was used like in the town, but this is the first show that's actually using the town by name. So so much of what Jared and Jacob have produced have kind of revolved around the small community. And I think it holds its own as a show, obviously, and it sets itself apart really well. But it's nice to see these very carefully placed nods to where they're kind of reminding you like it's all connected. And these story elements over here can be used here since very smart. I like it. It makes me want it like Alex. It sounded like Adam, you said what like 11 seasons or something of sure is he like is letter Kenny essential essential watching watching like I feel like I would appreciate this show even more if if I watch if I watch it after Shorsey. It doesn't feel like it. I like I said, I didn't really know a lot about letter Kenny. I knew what it was. And mostly through Alex, but like I didn't really know much about it. I jumped into this show into Shorsey and loved it immediately and then watched, you know, a handful of episodes of letter Kenny. So from that perspective, I I appreciated letter Kenny because of Shorsey. I don't think it made Shorsey that much better. I like some of the connectivity and and the throughlines, but I don't think you have had to watch letter Kenny, you like this show a whole lot. I don't think you have to watch it to appreciate this particular story. I think if you because you have it's Jared and Jacob behind all of this and Jacob is the one with these gorgeous visuals and Jared is the one writing it. I think to kind of understand them as storytellers and to see their journey through 12 seasons, letter Kenny is a great watch. Like it's not essential to be able to enjoy the show, but you know, they signed like this kind of like never part of deal with Crave or Crave's parent company where it wasn't so much like they we already know they were new for season four for Shorsey, but the deal they signed was to create 49 episodes of anything. Shorsey plus future spin-offs, but they want 49 episodes of content, which I think speaks so well to they trust them so much to tell these really good Canadian stories and they wanted on the Canadian network. They don't want to lose them too. They don't lose the exclusivity to like Netflix or Hulu or something. But I think letter Kenny is a drastically different type of story in the sense that yeah it's still a small town. It still has a lot of like the really sharp banter and humor, but it's much more about the parts of small towns that are so divided and it focuses a lot on this group. So you have like the farmers, the skids, the meninites, the you know, first nations, it really focuses on all the differences of those groups and how they come together. Whereas I think Shorsey takes a more wholesome approach that's much more focused on, you know, living through your town, living through your nation. And you know, we see that play out with the nationalism and all these like the Roberta Bondar references and Canadian artists and stuff. And so, you know, it's definitely not essential viewing to understand Shorsey, but I think if you feel like you're on board with these storytellers and who knows what else they're going to make. 49 episodes a lot considering these really six episode seasons. But it's a it's a good idea. And then everyone's going to like it. Like it's don't drive very Canadian humor, but I just love the way that they screw all of these stories together. And then when it lost steam, they said bye. They're like, okay, we're not going to end this, you know, looking desperate. So yeah, you don't want to put brand on the Iron Throne. I we talked about this in in season or in episode one and episode two, but it just a continuing theme of the show is that the way that they do running gags without killing them. Specifically in this episode, Shorsey talking about Frankie's low energy, there's getting the children to get him some amphetamines like that consistent that consistent ragging smoke meat amphetamines. And it goes back to that structure of having it each period intermission and going from there and seeing how that's evolving and Shorsey's continual frustration. It also works the authenticity of a guy going really hard when the girl he's hoping for gets there. That's, you know, that adds up with with many a sport. I've seen it weirdly seen at firsthand in college, but especially like weirdly more with guys who like, oh, this girl's here. It's like, she doesn't like you. But but sure, the ultimate Jordan pool is what we're saying. Like, he sees a bat, he sees a bat, he's dropping 40. So the the opposite JJ Frankie JJ seems to have what the kids would call Riz. I also want to shout out how it how it loops Michaels back into the show. And that entire that entire scene, it's so so out of place for the rest of the episode, because we have it's all team focused. It's all hockey, you know, they won the game, whatever. And she's like, I'm gonna go get us a tender and Michael's is is in a tough state. Understandably, understandably, we've listen, we've all had a tough breakup before, but my guy is fucking going through the bear apartment is don't even you don't even need him in there to know that things aren't going well. I just moved I just moved into a place that has like a brick wall on one side. And it like it jarred me completely rewatching the episode because he's just leaning and like touching the brick wall in in a total state of depression. And there's nothing else. There's an empty TV mount on the wall as well. And then obviously we get, you know, just a full-on frontal, you know, dick shot of of Michaels. And again, I it's a little like it felt a little out of place for what we had seen so far. But I like how I'm with you, Kyle. I like how they looped him back in. And we know he's gonna be that I will say to like another great writing tool of this show is there's all you know, it's it's Chekhov's dick. Like it's just anything that gets established. We're bringing that we're gonna call back to it at some point. We're gonna bring it back at some point. So we didn't see Michaels for basically, you know, two full episodes, you know, for the middle of episode one to now middle of episode three. And he's back. And you know, I imagine he's gonna play a total roll going forward. But if you hadn't seen the show, yeah, he's it's a delightful scene between him and that. Alex, I'll give you the runway. What's the best quote in this episode? First pick. God, I hate when I'm always first for this. This drives me nuts. I still I know it's not a quotes the exchange. I love when the if you go to the wall for me then blah blah blah. I think it's really good. And I wrote it down. I have my notes right here. There was another one that I was like, that's just so perfect. But I've lost it. It was something in the locker room scene. And it wasn't even really a quote. It was just like a throwaway line. But I thought it was really smart. Yeah, come back to me. Give me a second. Well, it's it's that's the line for me. It is. It's that that whole run that the back and forth that it it establishes one of the through lines of the show, where it's just you have to be there for me and I will be there for you. You and Mike and and Alex talked about it last week, where it's like the whole point of sports and the whole point of team is I need to know that if something goes wrong or something goes haywire, I can depend on you. And we've established that within the team. And now we're starting to establish that with with Sanguine. And I really like how they've done that. And that just run of, you know, are you my brother? Will you go through the wall for me? Then you can call me whatever you want on the way there. And so the quote itself, the best line for me is hell. Yeah, fuck. Yeah. Because that's just something that I feel like can be easily implemented into into your everyday life. Yeah, that that line is the is the line of the show. There are a few shores, equips that got me there, not to say that they're like, they wouldn't be funny if anyone said them. But Jared queso's delivery, like everything the man says is is hilarious. And it's elevated just a little bit more because he says it. But like, right at the beginning, he's talking to Sanguine about coaching. It's coaching senior hockey, not fucking cryptocurrency. Yeah. And then every fucks up one of the apple dorms and someone someone calls someone open. All of his chirps with the apple dorms are great. When he's when he's telling them at the right at the final play, you know, when they do the beer league special, and he's trying essentially, he's trying to distract, you know, I think it's one of the other apple dorms, like he's trying to distract them from the face off. So he wins the draw and he ends up taking, you know, a shot to his teeth, but he's like, I'm coming right for your front row, you're gonna have a bower stamped on your bike cuspids. Like just his chirps are really, really good. And yeah, the Omar Opa thing was was really good. What are you gonna do? You're not gonna do anything. You're like you're insignificant. You know, your apple sauce, just all of his chirps are great. So there's a lot of great like runner ups, runners up, sorry, in this, in this episode for best quote. But I think it all comes down to, you know, you're allowed to call me a fucking useless content on the way there. Yeah, you mentioned the beer league special play. That's actually a very crucial scene, because up to this point, we actually don't know if Shorzi is good or like, yeah, shit, we know he cares. But that's different than than being good or being being valuable. Like you can be the heart of a team and be just the heart of a team. There have been plenty of guys who are just the heart of a team. But when the when like everyone's backs against the wall, they look to Shorzi and and Shorzi delivered. He knew what to do. And that's very important because it up until that point, you didn't know that. And it's if he's gonna if he's gonna be your guy, you have to know that he's got that ability. He's got he's got the knowledge he might not be the best player on the team. But he's bringing value that is more tangible than just I hate to lose. And I'm gonna make sure everyone else hates to lose. Alex, the Lenny Harris pinch hitter award for best supporting character in this episode. Basically, anyone but Shorzi. I think we've gone back to back with Nat, who is again, fire in this episode, eternally, eternally fire. Just complete sniper gets a little less to do, although she does get the meeting with Michaels, but who's who's your your pinch hitter for this one? I was saying, when that it says debut, he's like stepping into his own and he's clearly nervous. And he was smart enough to be like, Shorzi, you've got to talk for me the first time. But if I had never seen this, I'd be like, Oh, I think the kid can do great smart enough to get a good suit before his debut to got it essential, essential. As we saw with with Richie and the bear, it feels like a suit armor. And think about that. We should do a bear podcast. Don't tempt me with a good time. And literally don't don't tempt Caroline with a bad time. Adam, who's your best supporting character in this one? Saying what that's definitely up there. I love Laurence LeBeouf. Show it up. And just like, I like how the kind of lore around Laurence is built, you know, and the real trigger for JJ. And we kind of already established like he's this, you know, dates all the Quebecois starlets and, you know, has has the Riz and all that. But like he's depressed until the third period, and Laurence shows up and you see his face light up. I love that. I like Pam. I think she's an honorable mention for this just because I like that. I just like her vibe and how funny she is and how she gives a bunch of shit to all the guys. But I'm with Alex on this. I think saying or, you know, walking in with the suit and everybody is like, well, you know, the applause that they give them to like, you easily could make that character like the butt of every joke because that's what Shorzi did for the first, essentially two episodes. But we even get the call back to the initial conversation at the start of the episode where, you know, they're talking about sticks after they win the game. And he's like, even me, like, is there a stick for me? And he goes shut the, and then he stops himself and he's like, sure thing, you got it, man. It was a nice call back to that. So I think saying or with the suit, he'll he'll be my pick for, or he'll be one of my picks for another category. But I think I'm with Alex on this. I think saying or takes the, takes the top spot. Clean, sweet for Sanger. It's very important because when we first meet him, the first thing Shorzi says to him is you're a healthy scratch in the no show. Go ahead. Yeah. And so finding, finding a different way to succeed and stepping into his own, which we see in spades later is really delightful. I'm, I'm going to clear out here. Best needle drop. One of y'all can take it, but I, all I wrote down was whatever is playing in the still shot before the game where no one is moving except for Delos head nodding. And then the entire game soundtrack is, it sets the tone perfectly. I'm with, I'm with you. I had three. It's really hard for me to pick one song. Just because I, and that's the case throughout the whole just show. I think the whole series is house music over everything right at the start. When you see 24 hours earlier, like a great tone setter. I, it's a song that I love. Like I, I had heard that before and I know who Tommy Sunshine is. And it's like a really good tech house song. The song that you mentioned is great. It's electro bank by the chemical brothers, which is just an awesome like, like up tempo, get you get, you know, again, tone setting song. You know, you hear Dolo do the, you know, the machine gun sound in the live room right before that song plays. And then house of God by John's like on the beer league special. This, it's hard for me to pick one of those three, but those are the three in a really, really good episode of music. Like those are the three that stick out to me. It's the same three. Yeah, awesome. Yes. I can prove it in my notes. And why do you know so much about house music? I, of course, I would have to pick house music over everything being from Chicago and having listened to house music my entire life and being a house music DJ in the city. I was about to say Adam, if people want to know more about what you're doing with house music, where can they go? That's on Instagram as well. Just pick a video, pick a slide and I'm somewhere in the city, hopefully on a weekend when I'm not working, you know, DJing at some kind of club or disco tech or some kind of establishment. So that another reason this club, maybe a club, maybe a nightclub. There's that's another reason the show hit me as hard as it did when Alex first introduced me to it was just if the music's good and it fits the scenes and it fits the cinematics all in. And if it's up tempo, even better, like there is going to be some needle drops that are soft that are really fitting for emotional moments. But the bread and butter of how they pick these songs and it seems like Jared is, you know, mainly in charge of picking a lot of this music. I think that establishes how good this series is for somebody like me who just loves this type of up tempo, you know, 125 beats a minute, 125 beats per minute music to match the scenes that you're watching. We're bringing in experts here on cat for categories on big street sports. This is this is what journalism is like, folks take notes. The Peter Gallagher award for the hottest person in the episode, we're we're going off vibes to start out the hottest vibes. I'm going to lead off because something you mentioned earlier, Adam, with Zeke absolutely ripping tenders, he leaves. I was like, I will ride to Valhalla unfamiliar was familiar with her game in the first two episodes deeply unfamiliar with that game. Just well, well played, ma'am, well played. What a badass, what a badass. And like, like, it's hard not to notice how just attractive everybody, most of the people on this show are like super attractive. Like Dolo is like one of the hottest people I've ever seen with body switch with him in two seconds. That's so fucking cool. He's just the coolest guy. Laurent's when she shows up and you see a little montage of like think this her and actual shows and movies and on the red carpet in Canada, like she's a legitimate star. She had the vibes, but I'm gonna I'm gonna give the shout out to Sanguine when he walks in with the suit and you hear me kind of be like saying when that in that suit, what is up? Like, I'm like, Hell yeah, man. Like, this is why you see the confidence of Sanger grow, especially after the first two episodes just being berated by Shoresie constantly. I give him a lot of credit for the suit and he was really rolling with it and and another nod to like his indigenous background, like his own personal flair, his own personal style mixed in with that. That was really good. Alex, does anyone else deserve their flowers in this category? I think Laurent's is amazing. And another thing going back to I think it was last week that I talked about Laura Moore being 40 something. 49, right? 49, yeah. You know, Laurent's is like 39. Like these are it is just great to see shows and movies like showing that the cut off is not 29 for when a woman can be really attractive and fun. And you know, I'm not just saying that because I'm almost 38. I'm not projecting, but if I were, then I would use that as my point. Another, another good thing this show does respecting all ages in a great way. Best time, worst time, which character had the best time in this episode, which character had the worst time? He liked more good times or had than bad times in this one. Worst time has to be Michaels, right? It's bleak. But also it's, but then he gets like a job, you know, I'm sad because I sold my stuff because I gave him my money to my girlfriend. He again. So fair. I still feel like if you've got your, if you've got, you know, your twig and berries out in an embarrassing fashion in front of who, you know, your boss, essentially, probably not a great time regardless. Was that mattress on the floor? Or am I misremember? I went back and looked at looked like it was on the floor and it was right up against the brick wall. When your mattress is on the floor and you're over the age of 25, it's, it's dark. Yeah. I even got, I even, I'll even give you a little leeway and say 28. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think so. Alex, you made a face. 28's way too late. Like, I thought it was an air mattress, but I didn't look that critically. It would have funnier if it were an air mattress, but if it's an air mattress, who managed to rename the category after him? Well, because my, I guess my thinking was, because he sold every, he had to sell his phone. So why would you keep a mattress when you could probably get a few hundred for it, but I don't know. But yeah, he's definitely having the worst time. I love what, what's the line he says? She didn't love me back, but you know, she did love. Ben squeezes on the side of the party. It was Saga Beach, Saga Beach. God. Long line of candidates for best time. JJ's up there, right? Laurent shows up. He scores the game winner. Got to think she got a hotel because he is sleeping on the couch at Shoresie's apartment. Yes. Yeah. Got a, got a hope that, that she got a hotel. Yeah. I think, I think that's a big, big upgrade for JJ going from depression and sleeping on the couch to being in an ice hotel room with a starlet. Much, much, much better. Pretty good. Sanger's definitely up there. You know, obviously first game as a head coach. You know, for, for worst time as well, you know, it's, I, I, I think we all agree it's Michael's. Tendi, also bad time. Bad time. Really bad, honorable mentioned bad time because he's just getting shit on by Shoresie the whole pregame. He has a terrible game. He gets ripped by Zieg, Nat, let's him walk. I think he's also a very close number two for worst time. You know, who apparently had a good time that we don't see? Is it fish who goes on the date with the girl that Shoresie says is way too hot for him? Yeah. Stephanie McMegan or something like that, who has an world class ass of Sudbury assets or something. Because Sudbury is the hottest girls, hottest girls. You know, I, I looked it up and there was an article a few years ago that said Sudbury was like number five in cities in Canada for like number of sex toys purchased and it gave him year. Oh, wow. Good. Good for the folks at Sudbury. It was like Montreal Vancouver. That makes it bigger than Sudbury. So it's a sexy place. I mean, clearly the, according to the show, the sexiest place, probably like the sexiest place per capita. You, one might think just, just seeing as how the, uh, what those like Instagram accounts, the hot girls of Sudbury that they flash an episode. It seems like it might be one of the hottest places on the, on, in the world. Well, and Jay on right, Canada. You, uh, Jay on right kept refer, uh, or made reference to it in the first episode too, or it's like, you know, the best looking women or Sudbury has an impossible amount of good looking women. Uh, and there are like hashtags on Instagram for like, because I wanted to see if that account was real, like the hot girls of Sudbury. I don't think it's real, but there is like hashtags for Sudbury people. And apparently this is like a theme for them. And if it isn't, they've leaned into into it. I love the how they represent Sudbury in general. And if I ever go the first place I'm going to is peppy panini. I am 100% going for, for a real life panini in Sudbury. I have to. I bet they're doing like little shoresy tours now. Have to. I got to hit a letter. Can I too? Cause like the, the farm where letter can he mainly takes place. Um, it's like a real address. It's like a family owned farm. So they do these little awesome. We have to go. Yeah, we should go. We should go to Sudbury at some point. It's close to just like Chicago, Canada. Yeah, it's just, we're right next door. It's five minutes, five minutes away. Yeah. Five minutes. Basically already live in Canada. Basically. Uh, Rosser moves, which character would you swap out with airbud? Yeah. This is the toughest question. I think just cause I, I am growing to like, I'm growing to like so many of these characters. Um, I will say you don't like seeing bad things happen to airbud. But if they had spent all this time talking about the apple dorns and it turns out the apple dorns were a family of golden retrievers and there's like eight airbuds on the ice. The amazing. Yeah. God. I don't want to get rid of anybody in this episode. I don't want to swap anyone out. Um, maybe, maybe tendi because then it wouldn't be as set. But I guess then you'd be yelling at the bar. I'm giving up all the time. God damn it, airbud. Go let 20 goals into your ball hockey team. What if Laurent shows up at the game and she's there to see airbud? I thought about that. I thought about that. So for the, for the comic value of it, I think, bringing swapping Laurent's lebo for airbud might, might do it. That's where I always lean. It's like, what is the funniest possible swap for airbud? Which in movies, it usually means the airbuds, the villain, but I think, I think that's a good one. Sanger has, I think we talked about this. He has like some airbuds, some golden retriever tendencies. So same with Hitchcock, same with Hitchcock Hitchcock has. He might be the most golden retriever of them all. I think of all the characters so far. Um, I guess you could say goody has some as well, because you know, and obviously his love of chicken could also play into that. But yeah, I feel like, I feel like Ted has a lot of real golden retriever energy to him. Goody is like the, the dumb lovable stray. Like it's the dog that's so dumb. It's not 100% sure it's alive, but it's the happiest dog you've ever been. That's, that's goody. Uh, last category, who gets a stick? Which, which character are we giving a post game stick to? I mean, now we know everyone gets a stick, but who's, who's our player of the game? Man, um, I'm, I'm still, I'm leaning towards JJ for this one because, and I know he got the actual game stick. Uh, you know, I'm going to give it to Dolo set in the tone. I was going to say that. Yeah. Okay. I think it's important, you know, and, and again, it, it establishes, like we talked about earlier, like that scene just kind of establishes the, the skeletal structure of all these scenes. And again, I, I know I'm jumping ahead, but that locker room is going to see so many key moments. And that's what sticks, I think, in sports movies, like you said, Kyle, like you really want, you know, those scenes, because it's, it takes you inside something that typically you haven't been a part of, or you haven't been a part of for maybe a really long time, or maybe not at the same level. I think those scenes in that locker room are really, really important to see the interactions, to see the chirping between everybody and to see who's going, you know, who's going to set the tone, Dolo's ready, and it gets you fired up for, like I said, the real cinema of, of the hockey game itself. And as we find out that setting the tone and giving the lumber is, is important. It's crucial for this, for this squad. So that is a, that's a wrap on season one episode three halfway through the season. Guys, thrilled that you could join me. Adam, tell the folks again where they can follow you. Just Adam Amin on the old socials. And you'll see, and hear us on some football games coming up in the next couple of weeks. Drop your sound cloud. It's also Adam Amin. It's it's there. It exists. Alex, we're here about promoting yourself. If I meet promoting everybody else in my life. Yeah, that's why I don't want to promote myself. I have all of my wonderful people to do that for me, I guess. And Alex McDaniel everywhere. And, I don't know, in a few weeks, I might have some news. Oh, news. We like that. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. And if you enjoyed this episode of Big Screen Sports and want to continue recapping Shores, Shores Z with us, you can subscribe wherever you get your podcast, rate and leave a review for an Apple podcast. 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