(upbeat music) - Hello and welcome to "I Want What She Has," your weekly antidote to the patriarchy, amplifying women's voices and their stories. I am your host, Teresa Widman. I'm back on the show after a couple of weeks, hiatus. Thank you to Rita Vannicor from Planet Seniors and Raquel Stammer from Satellite of Love who covered my show in my absence. It's nice to be back on the air. And I'm excited because I get to have a conversation with two fabulous women today. Let me introduce you to them. Molly McCarthy Tweety is the co-founder and co-director of Evolutionary Psychotherapy and Holistic Healing, which is a healing center that opened its doors in 2021 in uptown Kingston and provides holistic mental health, recovery and various wellness services. Past 25 years, Molly has dedicated herself to guiding others on their transformative journeys to heal. Her educational background includes a master's degree in social work from NYU, a license and clinical social work and a CASAC, which is a credentialed alcoholism and substance abuse counselor. She has studied AFT of Roma Freedom Technique, Donna Doulas of North America, Journey Dance, Mother Woman and many other things including EMDR, Violet Alchemy with Study with Tony Robbins and also a 200-hour Hatha Yoga Teacher Training and Certification. Beyond her therapeutic expertise, Molly is a musician, dancer and artist performing since 2009. And I met Molly, I think for the first time when we were both goddesses in the most recent, "The Goddess Party" performance at the old Dutch church. Yes. - Much fun we've had. - Yes, yes. So I'm excited to get to talk to Molly more in more detail about her and her work. And returning to the show is the wonderful Jenny Wonderling who brings her deep love of the planet and respect for ancestral wisdom to her writing, event production, breathwork classes, space holding and community building with spaces across the Hudson Valley. She strongly believes in the transformational powers of interwoven creativity and how we can help bring each others audacious dreams and unique gifts to fruition. She co-directed, co-wrote and co-produced Bloom and Luminous as a co-founder of Circle Creative Collective. And she is also the proud mama of three sons. And these two ladies are collaborating together on an upcoming event, which we're gonna talk about. Jenny is also involved with a new event space in Gardener, which we'll talk about her work via her crescent is gonna be housed in that location. And I know you just had a beautiful opening, a soft launch last week. So I'm excited to hear about how all of that went. And I wanted to just pause before we get into the two of you. I wanted to take a moment because sometimes for whatever reason, I feel like I go through this process with guests and conversations on the shows of like really feeling my intention and my gratitude for the work that you do. And one of the big themes that has come out in this show on a recurring basis is women that are doing healing work and doing community building work. And a past guest, Jean Brooks, just sent out an email about, she's been going through a very up and down journey with cancer. And she's having a very important procedure today. She refers to it as a life-saving procedure. I won't go into all of the story about what Jean's been going through. She's a strong woman, she's a healer. She has been a co-collaborator with me in past events. I was just recalling how she provided Reiki when I was doing a sound bath in the old Dutch church at a few oposatives ago. I think it made me it was three years ago. And I remember somebody had come up to me afterwards and was just blown away by the whole experience that gone bath and specifically was just saying how the Reiki was such a profound loving experience that he had had. And because Jean has been going through this journey, I just wanted to acknowledge her health and for us to just take a moment and see Jean healthy and vibrant and glowing and radiant. And to thank her for everything that she has done in the community. If folks know Jean and aren't familiar with what she's been going through, please feel free to reach out to me. She does have a new sub-stack that she is sharing her whole journey with cancer and her holistic approaches to working with it. And she is doing some of her own kind of retreat things as she heals. She's gonna be out in the community doing that. So I wanted to put that out there really because it ties into the importance of what both of you are doing, Molly and Jenny and creating spaces for healing and creating spaces for compassion and for community building. And so let's start by just talking about how the two of you are collaborating together and then we'll get into what each of you are doing individually. - Wow, let's see. I guess in terms of this upcoming, and thank you for that introduction, by the way, that was really beautiful. And it's always, it's a bit just to kind of receive and hear all of that. It's like, wow, listen to this timeline of what we've been building and evolving into. - And this is Molly speaking right now. - Yes, everyone. - So let's see, I mean, my journey with Samuel J, who will be coming from Los Angeles, this upcoming week for the show that we're gonna have at Jenny's Space on Thursday, 8/8 for Lionsgate, is someone who I met several years ago, about four years ago, and really started to tune into his music and his message and his mission, really, really resonated deeply. And over the years, I've seen him at different shows and we've gotten to know each other and being that he's gonna be in New York and on a worldwide tour, but he's popping in for a moment. We started to kind of explore the idea of coming together and Jenny is such a community builder. And I always say with Jenny, that when you're in her presence, it just feels like you're one of her family, like whoever it is that's coming into her path. It's like she has that real beautiful welcoming spirit. And so, and that feels very synchronicistic as well to how Samuel J carries himself with others and in the world, just such a beautiful, conscious heart and mind. So I just felt like, all right, this connection needs to happen. And in such alignment with Jenny's New Space opening and what a beautiful place for us to all kind of showcase Samuel's work and so many of the different projects that he's involved with and for community up here to get to know him. And also as an opportunity to get more involved with what is happening on the planet and for us to come together more to support the greater mission on this planet. - And those projects are very conservation-minded and environmental-minded and just uplifting for communities all around the world. And he's pretty tireless and really uses works with the medium of music to make change. He's very humble, he's very accessible. He's one of the most articulate, passionate people I have ever crossed paths with. And it's kind of a coup and a great honor to have this human being who is such a light being in this space. He started a school in Brazil in like really in the inner city there. And there were so many children just living on the streets that were exposed so much violence and he said it's really hard to get work papers there, almost impossible. And that really the only way to feed one's family is to deal drugs. And even if you want to sell bananas, the police are right on you, you know, very basic things. So his initiative there, he got together like 10 really renowned Brazilian artists as well as other global artists and put on a huge concert and raised money. And now all of the young children there, the teeny ones are living there with these teachers that have ostensibly adopted all these kids. So that's just one initiative. He's been working in Zimbabwe with these women who were the first anti-poachers in all of Africa to protect elephants. And so they've been doing a whole initiative. He spent three months I think with them and filming them and making songs with them and about them. And so he's one of, he's so prolific. I mean, music is just pouring through him. He's so impassioned. So yeah, to see him live, he's played with Ben Harper, Xavier Rudd, Jack Johnson, Ziggy Marley. I mean, the list is endless. He did like private birthdays for the Dalai Lama and open for the Olympics. And I mean, he's just like, he's very, he's on it. He's doing it at very versatile, but it's all about the medium for change, you know, as a medium for change. So, and he just sees how music just is under language, under culture, connects everybody. And he's, he's amazing. Yeah. So this is, yep, go ahead, Miley. I was just going to share. I mean, I'm sure we'll get more into it, but has done so much with ocean conservation as well. Oh, yes, really. Also at the heart of his mission. Very nice. And deep dives and he's, there's beautiful images of him swimming with whales and dolphins. And, but he goes to really remote places and he studies kind of what's happening there. And some of those organizations, aside from the Akashinga women, the anti-poaching organization in Zimbabwe that Jenny was talking about are only one sea, shepherd, national geographic. Doing like ocean conservation. And clean up some things. Like he's, he's not just talking about change. He's really, he's one of the good men. (laughs) Now he's not, he's really doing it with it. Yeah, I mean, one of the first videos that I saw of him, this was about four years ago, was him going through the streets of somewhere in Asia. I don't remember which country it was, but he was filming all the places where he could see shark fins because of that delicacy of shark fin soup. And he's been really working with a lot of different people in this movement to end that. So they've been really trying to find a lot of different opportunities to kind of show images where it can help to shift people's perspective about that. And so that we can really start to kind of dissipate that pattern that has existed for however long it has. But I remember seeing him just kind of walking the streets and going into these shops and just kind of uncovering the reality of this. And he's done a lot of things like that, which is really admirable. And his music, like especially live, is just the BBC described it as pure goosebumps when you hear him sing live. I mean, he just has this resonance because he's so in love with change making and what's what he's doing. But he's also a virtuoso on the guitar and he sings. And then he does, he's gonna do a DJ kind of dance set too. So he's making original music. And so it's gonna be a combination of get up and shake your booty and also listen into some good music. - We also have Megan Googly on. - Yeah, so let's just violin it. - Okay. - We're jumping all around over here. - Yeah, no, let's talk a little bit about the specific happening on Thursday. - Okay. - And timing where people can go to find information to get tickets, what they can expect, as part of this big event, those kinds of things. - So I have been operating Crescent out of my farm in Gardener and where there's another smaller studio. And we had the grand soft opening this past Thursday. And it's at a new hub that's in Gardener. It's funny, it's actually got a new pulse address somehow, but it's considered Gardener also. I don't really understand it, but it's across from Lombardi's on Brunswick Road, right at the corner of 44.55. So there's a whole hub that has just been built there. That's kind of like a modern day Piazza with there's going to be at the end of this month, finally it'll open, but the other businesses will be the greasery people that are in new parts. They have this amazing restaurant that will take out and you can sit there also. So they're going to have a restaurant and there's tables there, but those are not going to be open yet. So for the concert, we won't have food there. And then there's an artisanal bakery on site. That is also opening at the end of the month. So our space is, yeah, you would arrive at seven, I mean, the show starts at seven. So it would be really sweet to get there by 6.45. So you have time to set up, get a backjack or a chair or something like that. We've got pillows or you can bring your own and just get settled and ease into the space. - Yep. And I just want to add that full circle is really the dream baby of Mike Benavento. And so it's really this beautiful kind of social architecture almost to inspire a thriving community. He's really, he's really loving it too, it's wonderful. So it's very close friends of his and family members that are all a part of it and part of this vision and all community building. And so he has, yeah, trail works. It's heads of ballet trail works. And yeah, I don't know if we, did I, was that answered? - That was your question answered. - Yes, and where's the best place to point folks to, is it your website, Jenny, is it a? - Yeah, if you go to CrescentHV, so it's C-R-E-S, C-E-N-T, HV for Hudson Valley.com. - Great. - And then you can just go right into the calendar and it's there. And there's also links right on the homepage as well. - And so you, is it Samuel J. Is the performer for that evening? - Yes. - Okay. - Yes, and Megan Gugliata will be the violinist who's gonna accompany him. - Okay. - And she's local. - We will have it filmed. We have professional film and also professional photographer. And we're gonna do a Q&A to discuss some of the projects and organizations that he's connected to or has networked with, share about some of the happenings also locally, but globally as well. - Lovely. - And the band is the dance party. - Okay, okay. - Wow. - Yeah. - That's a Musica and then Samuel is actually really amazing as a DJ. So he's gonna put on all sorts of fun dance party music and he's a wonderful dancer as well. So we'll have a blast. - Excellent. And eight, eight Lionsgate. Do either of you wanna talk about the symbolism or the energy of that day from your perspective? - I'm sure we can maybe we will read what we wrote in the description. - So August 8th is an auspicious date in the astrological world known as the peak of the Lionsgate Portal. It is a day for intention setting and powerful manifestation. When the doors open between worlds flung open wide, it's also considered a marker of a new year for the kind of goals that align with your spirit and heart. It's a time to set intentions, ride the stars together while remembering our important collective responsibility as stewards of the earth and that the journey can be joyous, supportive, inspiring. And do you wanna read that part? The sun is. - Sun and Leo is in alignment with the star Sirius, Orion's belt and earth. This happens when Sirius rises or becomes visible again due to the sun's yearly passing of the star. Why is this significant? - Well, Sirius (laughs) the alpha star of the canis major constellation is the brightest star in the sky and is astrologically considered to be a spiritual sun. It was an extremely important body to the ancient Egyptians who referred to it as the goddess sofit. I don't know if that's home. - I'm supposed to say it. - I don't know, you know. Sofit it, they use the annual rising of this star to note that when the Nile would begin its annual flood, feeding the landing and bringing harvest and fertility. In astrology, Sirius brings wealth, abundance, fortune, and fame as such our alignment with this auspicious body means it is an excellent time for a manifestation. - According to me, a stiver. (both laughing) - Thank you for that. I'm just remembering an experience. It was in 2019 and I had a very, one of those dreams where it just feels like a different, it feels like there's a message coming through in this dream. It's not just one of those like crazy, you know, brain is unloading information. It felt like there was, this was a download or a message from the other realm somehow. And I mean, the most important part of the dream and what I remember was that I was outside, like in somebody's patio just hanging out, but there was this female lion just like behind me. And there was this interplay of like, you know, everyone's just kind of casually doing their thing, but this awareness of this very strong energy, but there wasn't a fear associated with it. And I woke up the next morning and I recalled the dream and I don't know, right, coincidence, whatnot, but I was going through something in my life that was very challenging for me. And I was having a hard time making a decision about something. And when I woke up from that dream, I was just, it was like the clarity came through. And I knew exactly what I needed to do, which was to step in a little bit more of my power in order to make a decision, the decision that I needed to make at the time. And so I have this very fond like relationship with the Lionsgate, but it's very different from what you just read, which is, you know, to me, that's like, great, you know, everyone has their own relationship with what's going on in the stars and what's not going on in the stars. But it's nice to hear that description of it. - Was your dream happening right around Lionsgate? - Yeah, I'm sorry, it was the night. It was, it was, I think it was like August 7th. So I woke up on the 8th and that was, that's an important part of the story. - Yeah. - Yes, so I, when this time of the year comes around, it's kind of like a check-in for myself about where do I need more clarity and where do I need to kind of stand a little bit more firmly? But I'm going-- - I've been feeling like the last, oh, sorry, what did you say? I'm going to say I'm going to soak it in what you had described at the Lionsgate to see where there's space for that. - Yeah, I've been feeling the last few days just from like sort of spontaneous reflections from a lot of people, 'cause I happen to have been around a lot of people in the last few days. And it just feels like there's maybe an extra vulnerability that's happening. And so that rooting that you're calling in, you know, I think when we're also around Halloween, you know, when the veil is thin and we're sort of between worlds, like this is another of those moments, right, when the portal is very open, permeable, but we can also call in support. - Yeah. - And remember that we're not walking alone and there's magic out there that we can call in. - That's right, that's right. - And our own magic, you know, to just really inhabit what it is that we are here to do. - Well, and I also find that such the beauty of having these community building events at this time, right, because aside from the focus of what our night, particularly on this upcoming Thursday, will entail, it's like all the people that are coming out for it and the stories that people share and the ways that people connect and all sorts of openings that happen, right? It's just, it's so special and it feels so synchronicistic to what the symbolism of Lionsgate really is about, like coming together so we can support each other in what these visions are and how we will manifest them. - Yeah. - When you meet, when you come to these types of experiences, at least in my experience. That's how I even met Samuel Janice. I met you, right, all the, that's how I met you. Teresa, it's like all the, all of these types of experiences that we can be a part of. - And the, how it opens up. - Yeah, completely. And like, and the, I just, I don't underestimate the power of community, you know, just like how so many people right now feel sorry about the barking in the background. - No problem. - Yes. Just feel very hopeless, you know? They feel like the world feels very sharp. And so these places, these pools of hope are really very, very important. And we're living in this amazing, not only fertile, beautiful place, but this place where there's such an abundance of these hubs that weave community overtly and subtly and it's such a gift. I mean, it's really, there's so many quotes that I keep coming upon about community that are just like, give it up. - Yeah, I mean, one was, here's to the bridge builders, the hand holders, the light bringers, those extraordinary souls wrapped in ordinary lives who quietly weave threads of humanity into an inhumane world. They are the unsung heroes in a world at war with itself. They are the whispers of hope that peace is possible. Look for them in this present darkness. Let your candle with their flame and then go, build bridges, hold hands, bring light to a dark and desperate world. Be the hero you are looking for. Peace is possible. It begins with us by L.R. Nost. And those beautiful, you know, there's something about coming together just through creativity, through these simple ways of holding space together and really validating one another by just being present. It's, it's fricking life-changing. It is literally life-changing. I've had so many events or been a part of other, you know, been a part of so many events where people will come up to me afterwards and thinking like they would admit they were thinking about suicide. And suddenly they want to live again because there's all of these people that are all charged up and excited, acting like little kids and costumes and making music and, you know, so it's an honor to work with Molly, who also knows how to bring hope and you're so committed to healing in so many ways. It's incredible being your friend and watching you in action. And yeah, and so this is our first collaboration where we're co-producing something, great. - It's very exciting and I'll just add the, what I hear and what I feel for myself is when you, when you create the opportunities for connecting in the way that you are with this concert with Samuel J and the other things that you both do, it's, it's creating a place for, I think, people to come back to what is like innately within us but gets lost in the noise of the online world with the reality of some of the challenges that are going on for people across the globe. And so it's, to me, I look at it as like almost like a form of self-care, of replenishing yourself and reconnecting to that innate place inside. I think of it in the heart space because it can be, it can get lost. You can get lost and disconnected from it and then everything that's going on, whether it's a busy work schedule, you know, family responsibilities, all of the other things that are happening, this is like brushing your teeth, right? It's like we need to do this to take care of ourselves and it's not often viewed that way in society unless you're somebody like yourselves who knows it, who's lived it, who understands the power in it. So Molly, if you would, I'd love to just kind of go back in time to understand who you are and how you got into all of the healing work that you do. And that sounds like a huge question, but kind of like, what was the seed that made you choose this path? - I love it, thank you. Okay, well, it was raised in a family with a psychologist's father and a social worker mother. And so healing has really always been a part of my life. I have always witnessed my parents supporting people in their work, but also just in the community. When I was in high school, I used to volunteer at a local soup kitchen with my family and we would do that weekly and serving the community food and I just always felt really compelled to help heal the planet. That was really always the vision. I was like, I'm gonna heal the world. And so I got into all sorts of internships and work in the healing field in the late '90s when I was in college and when I graduated from SUNY Nupos, which is why I'm in the Hudson Valley 'cause I never left. I love it up here so much. I decided to get my masters in social work and I've worked in so many different types of facilities from domestic violence shelters to psychiatric emergency rooms, emergency rooms, detox centers, recovery centers, outpatient and patient, intensive mental health programs. The list goes on, I've kind of seen it all. And typically what you see is that there is a lot of, is a lot of medication maintenance that happens in a lot of these facilities, which I think can be really beneficial for some. Sometimes I think that there can be a lot of over medication. There's also a lot of what kind of feels almost like segregation between the different types of healing that is out there for people. So when I worked for Kingston Hospital at Bridgeback, which is an outpatient substance abuse treatment facility, I ran a program that was for duly diagnosed individuals. So it would be the mental health psychiatric component in addition to the substance abuse component. And that was really beautiful, but being in that facility, I thought everyone's struggling with mental health. I don't know why we just have this little program for a few people when everyone's going through trauma. That's, you know, who isn't a trauma survivor to some degree? So I have always had this vision of opening my own healing center. And I really wanted it to be a place that was inclusive to all and all walks of life. I really didn't want medication maintenance happening within our facility. Like I didn't want to have psychiatrists or nurse practitioners working in our facility, but rather have amazing referrals for those in the community for people to seek that. If that's an area that they would like to utilize for their treatment. And in, let's see, I think it was 2018, I was working for Dutchess County Health Line, which is a crisis hotline, still goes on today. And I met Tiffany Schreff, who is my business partner. And she and I both worked in this facility and really resonated with each other. We had a very similar style. You know, I would watch Tiffany do yoga and between calls and things. And I'm like, wow, she's really taking care of herself in the midst of taking care of others. And I really valued that. And we just started to connect more about our vision and what it is that we really wanted to kind of bring into our community and the world. And for us at the heart of our mission is about shifting old paradigms. 'Cause we've seen so many paradigms occur over the course of time within this field and really want that to shift. And so we created a center in 2021, really in the midst of COVID where, you know, everyone was kind of offering virtual counseling and we've really missed being in person and just having that in person experience with people. I think virtual, the virtual world is an amazing backup. But in terms of the work that we do, I can't see the full body. I can't have that full energetic experience with another human if I don't see them in their full self in person. So we opened our center. - That is gorgeous. - It's really beautiful. - By the way. - Yeah, our website, which is evolutionaryholistichealing.com. And there is a tab on there for our space. So you can actually see into some of the rooms. And actually just this past weekend, I posted a reel on our IG page which is evolutionaryholistichealing has little dots in between each of the words where I do a little tour of our third floor space 'cause we do have two spaces now. We are right on Wall Street in Uptown Kingston to the right of the courthouse if you're looking at it above Sweet Marisa's, which permeates our building with amazing daked goods, which is such a beautiful tour share. And our third floor space, it's a 1400 square foot space. We have nine rooms and six of which are treatment rooms. We also have a music recording studio, which is really amazing. All sorts of things have come through different projects for that space. Each of the rooms are named and they all have their own kind of energy going on in them. And we do events and workshops and educational consulting. And we have a whole team of holistic consultants that offer all sorts of incredible alternative modalities from hypnotherapy to astrology, family constellation work, somatic experiencing, EMDR, ketamine assisted treatment. The list goes on so many different things. And we've got a lot of licensed clinicians. We've had a bunch of interns in the past and some who have their limited permits right now that are close to being fully licensed. And we just keep growing and expanding. And about a year and a half ago, the Supee Healing Center, which was on the second floor of our building was going out of business. They were just relocating, retiring. And we scooped up that space and made that fully conducive for children. So it's this really, really beautiful space that's curated, just as our third floor spaces. And we have three treatment rooms, a beautiful hallway where we just put a children's gallery. I did a couple workshops for children with art and music and meditation and movement that were free to the community. And we put up a beautiful gallery of kids art, which is the best and an amazing waiting room. And so, yeah, so we've got that whole area that's designated for children and families. And it's just magical, yeah, really beautiful. So we've brought the holistic consultant piece to our business and we have all the different types of psychotherapists and then we have workshops and retreats and events and lots of referrals that people are looking for different types of services outside of what we offer, 'cause we're very connected to the community. And just very grateful to Tiffany Schreff, who's been my business partner and by my side through it all. She's an incredible force and really beautiful human who has devoted so much. So together, we've just collaborated really, sweetly. (laughs) - Once your twins add to be. - Once your twins add to be. - What do you call them? - Yeah, exactly. So, and it's just been so lovely, you know, 'cause over the years having met people from so many different places and now to have, you know, my center where we kind of welcome people in, it just really deeply warms my heart. And I have always kind of seen it and I'm sure for anyone who has started any sort of project in life, it's like I see it as this kind of blank canvas where it that we just keep painting on. It's like just these new little sparks of beautiful ideas that come through. And it's like when you have a collective to support the mission and people in the community that really are so connected to you and in support of that mission, it's just amazing what can happen. Like even the music recording studio, I never would have thought we would have had that in our space. And one day it just came through. I was like, we need to have, and we need to have this in our center. - So is that affiliated with you or is it there sharing space with you? - No, it's our space. Yeah, it's called Heartbeat Studio. And it's a part of one room that we have in our space that's called Earth. And so it's a package deal, Earth and heart, ha ha. But the room is called Heart and the music recording studio is called Heartbeat Studio. And we have a tab for that on our website as well. So you can check that out. We've had people do podcasts there. We've had clients do these kind of audio recordings of different kind of self-affirmations, prayers that where they can hear their voices and some of the other healers that are in our space, sharing the words that are important for them to continue to assist in that process of kind of acting negative belief systems, limiting beliefs and music. Yeah, just straight up music and just helping people to also have a way to channel their emotions through music. - So clients can record their own music thing. - Yeah, so beautiful. - And we've had really cool music workshops too. Yeah, so Brie Cordy, who I know has worked a lot with you, Jenny, 'cause Jenny and Brie and I have done a couple breath work, sound healing experiences at my space, that evolutionary holistic healing. And so Brie has helped out with some of those projects in Heartbeat Studio as has Bosch Purvis, who's an amazing audio engineer. And he actually has a company that's called Bars Beyond Bars. And he goes into some of the local prison systems and works with the youth, actually doing hip hop. And he is just such an incredible being. And so it's been really nice to have him kind of pilot this music recording studio and help to support so many kids, teens, adults, we've had all walks of life come through for that, whether it's coming to a workshop or working with him or Brie at times to individually to manifest what they've been envisioning or what we've suggested might be really helpful for them to have that cathartic experience in their life. I love that. I mean, it just, to me, it makes a lot of sense. I am a sound healer. And so like you're speaking my language in a way. And I'm just curious to know what in your background, because you are also an artist in that way. You know, how did that part of yourself fold into this? - Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, I grew up with a very musical father and in a very musical family. My lineage is very much music. And yeah, I can go into a whole bit about that. But yeah, music has always been my passion. To me, it almost, for me, it actually feels like it's kind of the number one tool. Like for my healing, like I'm always listening to music and just always tuning into the lyrics that people are sharing. And yesterday I got triggered with something and I just wrote a song and I started recording it. And it's just kind of how I flow. I'm always, I've got a gazillion voice memos of all sorts of little ditties that I create through my life every single day, literally. So I'm so passionate about music. And let's see, I started, I wanted to learn frame drop many, many moons ago. And a dear friend of mine, Helena Shepko, who has Chiwang Gunk Rich Farm here in Gardner, had shared with me about this woman, Amy McTear, who was now one of my besties, has been for a long time, but was teaching frame drum. And so that was in 2008. - He's gonna teach me that Christmas, isn't it? - Woo hoo! - Yeah, see all the connections, I love it. And so I learned frame drum and Amy had invited me to be a part of her whole crew. This beautiful musical collective of all sorts of people. Joseph Drashdrahb, Avinash. - Ami Fixler, Radrani, Dahlia. - Sisy Treadlay. - Amaji, yeah, just so many people. Yeah, Adam Bradley, I can go on and on. But yeah, we, so what we would do is we would offer a sacred chance from around the world, twice a month at unison in Nupwals. And then we would have these little concerts that would happen throughout the year, the big one would always be on New Year's. But we also had other places that we would go throughout different counties, but in New York State primarily. And just share different sacred chance from around the world, from all different lineages. A lot of which were Sanskrit, but we had all different lineages. Hebrew and African and South American and Sufi and just it was a really beautiful time. And that kind of dissipated with COVID actually. But basically from around maybe 2010 until COVID, so about a decade, I was doing that very often with weekly rehearsals and all of that. And it was a really incredible time. So music has always been really big part of my life. And I've met a lot of people in the community as a result of having done that. And couldn't imagine not having that in my center. I also saw this documentary, which I would recommend for everybody to watch, which is a man named Scott. And it's on Kid Cuddy, who's an amazing artist, I believe has won Grammy Awards. And it was all about his mental health journey and music. And I have goosebumps right now. I'm like talking about it. That documentary was very synchronistic to Heartbeat Studio because I saw that and I just was like, oh yes, we have to do this, we have to make this happen. And the layout of our space allowed for that really because where Heartbeat Studio is and being that it's connected to Earth and there's no separate entrance to heart. It felt like we needed to do something with it because it couldn't be a space where we could bring clients through for HIPAA compliance and all of that. And so we made it into what it is today. And it's just been a really beautiful place for people to create together and in their own solitude around that. And then in sharing, so. - So now I totally understand when you say that you were about shifting old paradigms, like this is it, right? This is, I mean the way I see it is that like, it's just, you said it earlier, right? It's an open blank canvas that you're just creating from and expanding and kind of intuitively and organically flowing into different modalities. Whereas some of the older paradigms are locked and rigid and follow a rule-based structure, which that's not to say that rules aren't good at times, but you know, it kind of begged the question exactly what is it that you're doing that is shifting the paradigm. And that seems obvious now in what you just described, which I love. - Thank you, I really appreciate that. Yeah, just a place where, you know, kind of all is welcome. And so it really lends people that opportunity to kind of find theirs. 'Cause I always say, there's just, there's no limit to healing, right? There's just, you could walk down the street and you see a butterfly and all of a sudden you feel this sense of healing in yourself. It's like anything can happen in life. And we have so many incredible healers that come through our space and so many that ask to be more a part of what we do. And we just welcome so many different kind of ways to work at and lineages and philosophies and why not, right? There's something for everyone out there. So that's really kind of been at the heart of the mission rather than it being this, you know, kind of like rigid structure, which I've seen in so many different places. The other huge component actually that I haven't shared yet, but it's just that, you know, the fields that were in as licensed clinicians is really overworked and underpaid. I won't mention names, but I've worked in facilities where I've had over 100 clients. The expectation was to see at least 45 clients a week. So 45 sessions a week. And that was the norm. That was like completely the standard. I know many other agencies that will book 30 minute sessions back to back so people will see, like I used to see nine a day. And that was just in the agent, this one particular agency, but everywhere I've worked. It's really, it's been just, you know, you're full on with a caseload. And so, you know, that's always led us to question, you know, how are the healers being supported in helping to support other people, right? If you're starving, if you're trying to figure out when you're gonna go pee, if you're just needing a little bit of a moment to kind of unwind and cleanse. But there's paperwork that needs to get done, you know, in the time frames that you have maybe some free time or it's really challenging, you know, these agencies, they encourage concurrent or kind of mandate concurrent documentation. So you're supposed to be generating all of your paperwork with a client with you. And it's just, it feels, it's always felt to me very foreign to hope to be holding space for people. I actually have always refused to do it. I've never done concurrent concurrent documentation. Sorry for those out there that are all about it, but I just, it never felt right to me. It never felt right for me to be looking at a computer and typing while I am in a session with someone who's going through something where they really need that full presence. So we really wanted Tiffany and I really wanted to create a space and a business model that would pay people really well and have really manageable caseloads and infuse our collective and our practice with ongoing trainings in-house. Like this month we have Luis Mokika of Holistic Life Navigation who's got an amazing podcast and beautiful human and we can't wait to have him share all of his gifts. Last month we had drama therapy Seiko Drama with Callum and the list goes on. We've done art therapy with all of our clinicians. You know, we just have these ongoing trainings in-house that are great and we offer all of our events and workshops to our clinicians as well so they can replenish in that way. And we have little gatherings that happen and we have a wellness bonus where people can go out and get themselves a massage or they can do some sort of a training. A few of us just did the Omega EMDR training for seven days solid that was just a few weeks ago. So several of us are getting certified in EMDR to bring that to our center more even though we do have one person who offers it now but the list goes on just ways to continue to enhance and connect more deeply so that we feel supported because a lot of people also who are in private practice and working solo or solo don't feel like they have support really around them as much. They can feel very isolating. We've actually had some people reach out to us to work with us just because they love the idea of being a part of the community collective. And so it's been really sweet to offer that to people. Yeah. - So it's so important. I mean, it's like the cycle of unwellness and trauma just continues and continues in most workplaces. And I'm sorry to say that so broadly and accused, you know, accusatorily, but it really does. It's hard to do what you're doing. I shouldn't say that. I don't know what it is, how difficult it is to do what you're doing. But it's rare to do what you're doing. And, but to me, it feels like a vital, vital approach to doing work, quote unquote, work so that we do maintain a community of wellness. Otherwise people are just staying in a pattern of unwellness and it's, yeah, it's really unfortunate. - Okay, ladies, I cut you both off before we took that little break to hear some words from the community. Do either of you remember what was at the top of your head that you wanted to share? - I wanted to share something about, like we were talking about how you know, she's Molly's been bringing in all these different modalities, not only to support the community, but to support the practitioners. And it made me think of a workshop that my dear friend, Leslie Maglin did at that opening of it was a happiness workshop at the opening of Crescent the other day. And someone asked really essentially, he was saying like, I'm very curious about this because there's obviously like a lot of pain and stress in the world. And almost like, do we deserve to do a happiness workshop? What is it? Where are you coming from with that? And it felt almost arrogant and kind of owie to him. And I think it's a really interesting time 'cause there is of course, there's always been so much pain. Humans are capable of all kinds of things as we know. And we all have our trauma from this life, generational trauma, all the things. And maybe because of our exposure to so much negative information and fear mongering to, there is this kind of guilt almost about, don't be too happy. Someone said to me that they don't like to read literature 'cause they feel like when they're reading non-fiction, they feel like they're feeding themselves, like they're learning and they're pushing them. And yet through fiction or through the sort of the other ways that we pause, right, craft making or just being in nature, that of course we're growing and healing in very essential ways. And that I feel very strongly that the deep growth and healing work can actually happen through play, through connection, through co-creating, maybe it's a dinner, maybe it's right, as Molly said, it could be a butterfly, could be whatever the thing is. But that feeling of guilt, I feel really needs to be obliterated because if all the lights go out, we're only in a dark world, right? And so can we invite ourselves, allow ourselves to cook up our light so it can amplify out and out so that when someone comes to me and they need support, I have something to give them. And there's such an attachment that people can have to grief, to the pain, to that identity of pain. I remember when my dad died and just not wanting to stop grieving because I felt like that would mean that I would be letting go of him in a certain way, you know? And so, you know, what's been happening in Palestine and Israel and, you know, this feeling like, yeah, do I deserve to dance and sing? And I also been working with the frame drum for the last few years and working really, opening my voice, my singing voice because I see that we all need to be in our voices and our truths in all the ways. And even if that means warbled, fearful, like I wanna stand in that for you. I want you to see like, okay, Jenny, even Jenny, like who's doing all of these things and can do what, you know, I can be very courageous in many ways, but there, it's like it shows me this little girl part of me that still needs tending to. And I still appreciate it. I've been like, it's been such a healing, healing path for me. And I think what Molly is doing and what I've been doing is so invitational so that you're not just a witness and you're not just in this one sort of track towards growth and towards healing. It's like the, well, Bloom and Luminous, which were these interactive sort of ritual theater experiences. Were invitational, you didn't just go through and witness. And there was a call to action so that you could participate. And there's another one here, September 21st that is called Earth Song where you walk in these candlelit paths and then there's bonfires. And whether you consider yourself a singer or not, you're invited to sing, to drum, to play music under the stars, like we have always done. And, you know, there's all these studies about how when people drum together, our heart beats synchronize. And yet we think that we are separate and we think we're alone. And yet how the heck does that happen, right? And yet we found flutes that are 30,000 years old and drums that are, I don't know, 10,000 years old. I mean, music is really at the core of our becoming and our human, humanness, our humanity. So yeah, I don't know, I just, I wanted to speak to that for a moment about that. That we all do deserve to be happy without being entitled, right? To, it's not about me. There was a sound healing in the space yesterday and a woman came in late and she was very loud. And then she proceeded to do yoga the entire time and her knees and her feet were cracking and it was just like, it was popping, popping, popping. (laughing) You know, and you kept like trying to go into these like deep, deep, kind of the say in a state, you know. And I thought, you know, she does deserve like we all do to show up the way she needs to. And we must be mindful of one another's space and process and experience. So it's the balance rate of both. Yeah. - That's the perfect metaphor. I mean, I've struggled with it personally at times. You know, about, well, how am I spending my time? If I have limit, I have less time available since I became a mother. And so I'm hyper aware of how I'm spending my time and I've thought, well, you know, if I'm not volunteering as much as I did before. And at the same time, I know that if I don't make time for self-care, I just can't function well in general. So maybe it's not the time for me to volunteer as much as I did before, but I've had to kind of rationalize it to myself and make peace with it myself. So I have thought about that because I prioritize ukulele group right now. Like if I have a hour in the week, I go to ukulele practice. But I can resonate with what that person said at the happiness class, right? And feeling some guilt about, well, there's all these people that are suffering, they don't have this option to go to ukulele group. Like they're trying to find food to eat right now. But I don't think that that means that we all need to suffer. This is my opinion, right? It's that it doesn't mean that I forget about those people. It means that when I have capacity, I can do something, if not for them, in some way in my community, but I have to have capacity first. And capacity looks different for everyone. And mine is limited right now. And I'm working on not feeling guilty about that, but I can understand how it's an awareness. And I think it's nice that people are being aware of it. But I do think as you just said, you can do both. You can take care of yourself and also think about others when you have the ability to. - And we can also, you know, that line of like, when you need something done, ask a busy person. And I know you're super busy too, you know? And part of the lesson for us busy people is actually to receive, to ask for help, to pause, to be, and this is a big lesson. I mean, if my kids are hearing this or have heard, you know, we'll hear this. Like they're like, "Oh yeah, you're really pausing mom." 'Cause it's hard. But the reason I wake up at 4.30 in the morning with my drum is actually, that's my pause. I mean, we're never paused and not doing something, right? I mean, I do meditate, but even in meditation, there's still some activity happening, right? So I'm a big proponent of a daily ritual, personally, you know? And find what that thing is that allows you to step outside of time and space and really connect with your high truth. And that's a big one. So in fact, you created a event for that, One Flame Many. Yeah, which we'll do again in the fall, which is basically, there have been nine women so far. Each time we've done two of them and each one, the room starts completely dark, except for one small, small illumination so that you don't fall. It's called One Flame Many, and one by one, the guests come in very quietly and kind of assemble on the floor. And so one woman will light a match and then offer a window into her personal practice, whether it's through drumming or song, or yeah, whatever it is that comes through her. And you're really offering that up in a way that the guests can be a fly on the wall and really can step into the sacred and see the beauty of the dark, of how important it is to be, and we start out in the dark, we start out in the womb and we're connected to our mother's pulse. And so it's really, there's a lot of drummers in the group, but there's other, it's really, it's so beautiful and such a bomb. So one by one, each flame is lit. Once the first person goes, she goes still, and then the next match is lit, and then she goes still, and then the next one. And so soon enough, the room is filled with light. So we think that we're alone in our dark by ourselves, at our altars, all around the world, in our suffering, whatever that is. And yet, there we are, lighting up the world, very small and small and quiet ways, or bigger ways. But, you know, it's the power of the arts to show something that is also very secret. - Well, it actually makes me think, when I got the message from Jean, who I mentioned at the beginning of the show, you know, it made me think how I had signed up to give, she has a meal train set up for her and her family. And I had made food for her before we left on our big family vacation, or family, whatever you call this thing, in Wisconsin. And I just thought, like, I didn't, it was very hard for me to find the time to do it. And part of me was also, you know, of this mindset of like, where are my priorities? What do I value? And I think sometimes in our world, where fame, fortune, those, dare I say, kind of like egoistic platitudes, can make it hard for us to feel the beauty and the real deep healing that is happening when we take care of ourselves and we take care of each other. And that's just something that keeps coming back to me, because it feels like when I think about, when I talk about this show, right, it's being the antidote to the patriarchy. I often think of the patriarchy as being this kind of energy that's about power and prestige and accomplishment and, you know, all of these things that are very public. And when Shana and I started this show, we were talking about how it's often the women, and I don't mean to be so gender specific, but it has historically been more of the women's work to do the caretaking of the people who are sick and the family and the neighbors who need support. That's not to say that men haven't done that work. You know, I've had police officers, off duty police officers like pull me out of a ditch, right? So men show up, that's not what I'm saying, but there's often this sort of like unglamorous work that women have done. And so when you talk about this notion of like being all these little flames, you know, coming together, you know, that's real power. That's real power and what the caretakers have been able to do despite, you know, all of the challenges of this world to really tend to one another. And so I'm just glad that you shared that imagery around that because we can forget that it's all these little pieces of fabric that connect us and all of the things that we're doing, it's not to judge the person that's standing on the stage, but because those people can mobilize, like Samuel J can mobilize people in those moments, but it is the folks who are doing all of their caretaking within the families, within the communities, within the neighborhoods, that is actually the biggest strength I think that we have. And so I, just another sort of acknowledging of my appreciation and my hope that really I guess my hope is that other people can come to see that as their own truth and to embody that for themselves and to, as Molly mentioned, sort of be a part of this paradigm shift, where that is what we can value more. And now I'm preaching, which I tell myself all the time, I don't wanna preach. - No, I mean, yes, I totally agree. - And, you know, to trust that even though, right in the patriarchal society at large, like what is validated is what the Krishnamurti's quote about, you know, when you're adjusted to a society and to a six society, it's not a barometer of health. I'm totally butchering, butchering, butchering that quote, but it's something like that, you know? So that idea of like power over and yet here we are, like it is the unsung heroes, but it's hard sometimes, it takes a lot of trust and faith to know that what you're doing in these small and quiet ways that may not be validated monetarily or even, we have a dear friend who's just, when she sings, she has the voice of an angel, the frequency of a healer. She, you know, everyone is altered by hearing her voice. And the audiences that she deserves in this world that we think of as like, you know, what is, it aren't quite there yet. And yet I keep trying to remind her that that, you know, the four people that are in the room or the 20 people are in the room or the 5,000, it doesn't, it's all, you know, it's bursting out beyond the confines of the walls. Like it's changing everything. If we're doing what we love and what we're really here to do, I think that is, you know, just to go back to that concept of community. Like for me, healthy community really is supporting and kind of teasing out these kind of secret dreams that we're holding. What are the things that actually make your heart sing where you're really, you're just doing the thing, you're not doing it because it's going to make you money, whether you're thinking about it, it's good or bad. It's just, you're so love fueled by it. You know, I mean, Molly and I both barely sleep. We do way too much for two people, it's ridiculous. But, you know, finding those stores of our own power and our joy and our passion, you know, because what we're doing, we believe in. So definitely encourage people to be audacious and ask for support to like, you know, to be a mirror of one another's dreams. So like, so what, you know, and reassure, so, yeah. - Yeah, I'm curious to know when you mentioned Jenny about the work that you've been doing to listen to your own voice. You said you were singing, you were-- - Yeah, so I used to bring a drum. I took a workshop with the drum doula, who is going to be offering a workshop at Crescent on September 22nd, right after the next day, morning after Earth Song. And she's studied with a jeepwah elders, I believe. And they're all like, it's very honoring. Her process is so sacred. And the frame drum is an instrument that is shown up on every continent for as long as human history really is just like unbelievable how it shows up in flower leaves and cave paintings and all of these things. So yeah, I just had a very strong, I've meditated, I've meditated since I was five, 'cause my parents followed kind of guru for a bit. And, but I was in a deep meditation about three years ago or something and I heard you need to play a frame drum. I was like, ah, okay. So anyway, I took a workshop with her and I've been playing it almost every morning. And it kind of is a gauge of where I am emotionally and I get a lot of downloads, a lot of creative downloads from it. And again, it puts you kind of in a theta state. So you're like in this very receptive, your intuition is very turned on state. And it's very primitive, it's very unifying. And so with that, I've been opening my voice more and more, I've taken some workshops with Jessica Kaplan who the work is very deep and very powerful and very playful at the same time, very forgiving. She's also going to be doing workshops at present. And she's kind of, she blows my mind. And she's high level priestess and she offers sound healings, which are also going to be a crescent. And so, yeah, I just, it's been that practice. I mean, between yoga and writing and my voice and the drum, nature is a huge salve for me and inspiration. But I've been so busy that I'm mostly, I'm kind of keeping close to home these the last few months, but in terms of that, I mean, you live in nature. I live in the most gorgeous abundance, yes, for all. Present farm, gosh, the water and trees. And that was the worst is that across the street for me, it's beautiful on the mountain. Oh my gosh. And so when you do the vocal work, is do you notice a difference in your relationship to yourself? Because the voice can be... Completely. I'm trying to think of like, it's like the most, it can be the most healing sound that you can hear for yourself is to hear your voice, but it can also be sometimes the most difficult sound to listen to. And so I'm curious about your own experience and that because it sounds like it's a powerful potent medicine for you right now. - Yeah, so I think I was probably five or so, like the first time I remember like the sort of, the dark, you know, of someone kind of saying something about the way I was singing. And I've always, you know, I always love singing my car. And when my second son, he had four surgeries on his eyes between a year and two years. And so I did a lot of singing with him. And I saw such a difference in just his body, you know, his spirit when I would just sing. And I was like, wow. So it's just this very sort of primordial part of us. My dad was a singer, songwriter, music producer. And I think I just kind of ascribed the music part to him and to the other musicians and my family and I had other, I danced and I wrote. And so I just kind of like, that wasn't my world and I didn't give myself permission. And there was something about working with the dream, the frame drum, but then also working on Bloom and Luminous where I consciously was calling in songs because we needed songs for the productions and they weren't coming and we were almost ready to perform. And the first song came in, I was completely asleep. And I got awoken by a song with the melody and the whole thing. And then many came after that. So that was how a lot of the songs got into the production was. And the only way I could teach it to a chorus, a choir of people was to actually have to sing the song. So I was totally being called from, I guess my higher self or spirit or whatever it is to be brave and reveal this part of myself, opened my voice and it was terrifying and emotional and it's been terrifying and emotional and extraordinary. And I teach breath work and more and more, I am bringing my voice in because I just see that what I'm offering is this soul lullaby and the work is really hard. And as people's emotions are coming up, there's something about that mother love pouring through my voice, my hands. That is just like, it's that experience that you had in the sound healing that you were describing earlier, Teresa. So yeah, I just see that it's as much as I resist it. I generally also think that the places we have resistance, the greatest resistance are the places where there's the opportunity for the greatest growth. And so where I'm terrified, I'm like, all right, I'm freaking leaning into this. And luckily, I happen to be in this valley with extraordinarily talented Molly included singers and musicians. So after breath work, I have been offering for, I don't know, a year and a half, just a free drum circle, music circle, and then we'd have a potluck. So it was all in my studio here at the home property. And there was everyone from like, it was all ages, people would come from all over if they'd either bring instruments or not. And then I would be, you know, I'd be cooking the whole day before. And so there'd be like, you know, big pots of food and then there was also a potluck. So it gave people that opportunity to sing and play. And it's just, it seems yeah, very ancient and very important. - I love that. I read an article recently that was helpful to me and I'll just share it. I'm somebody who is like, wanted to be a singer, you know, for a very long, probably since I was born. Anyways, long story short. The article said that for some reason, the voice is the one instrument that we somehow expect to just play perfectly without practice, whereas everyone else knows that you have to practice the guitar or the piano or whatever it might be. And it's the same with our voice, so. - Well, and it's really interesting, like for women, especially like I've seen this in Jessica Kaplan's workshops, which are mostly women, there's so much emotion around the throat and expressing through our voices. And then there's all of these, you know, that actually the anatomy of the throat, of the larynx and all these things very much mirrors our female anatomy in terms of the fallopian tubes and all these things, they look almost the same. And so one of the things she was talking about was, you know, when we are, when we're relaxed, when we feel safe and I see this in myself, like when I'm playing my drum and I'm alone, my voice sometimes I'm like, oh, is that me? Oh my God, it's so big and strong, you know? But if you put me next to you and you're just like, I have to share a song, it's like all squeak. Sometimes, you know, we're just like, oh my God, where am I, you know? So it's just, but to be able to, and to compare that to our genitals, you know, and like when we feel safe and relaxed and trusting, you know, then of course we can open and receive and connect. And so, yeah, just pushing past fear and tending to those original wounds so that we can feel strong. (upbeat music) - There's, this is sort of a backwards way of approaching this question, but I didn't get a lot of sleep last night, so my brain is slightly hampered. And so it may not be the most eloquent way of saying it, but one of the things that was discussed when Shawna and I started this show was this kind of historical, and maybe it's not, maybe it was more in the business realm. And so let me get back to the point of it. We were talking about this competitive nature that women specifically had. It was something that I had experienced in the working space, right? I worked in corporate, it was a lawyer, blah, blah, blah. Shawna has pretty much always been an artist and she had said that she had never really experienced that kind of competitiveness, but that was part of the play on words in the sense of, I want what she has. It was this notion of celebrating the successes, the beauty, whatever it is that this woman is doing, and rather than being jealous or envious of it, which I'll just put a little plug in. Raquel talked about jealousy and envy a couple of shows ago, so you can find that on the archive. I'm not gonna go into the details of jealousy and envy, but how do we kind of overcome what I was experiencing in the professional world that I was seeing primarily between women? And so I'm curious about your own experience with that, if any, and how you do the collaboration in a way that feels supportive and how, because you do it very well, does it ever kind of get, what's the word I'm looking for, get challenged by competitiveness and envy or jealousy or things like that? How do you stay focused on the beauty and collaboration? If that makes sense. - You wanna start? - I love that. Many years ago, I listened to a woman speak about who has written a few books about this concept, but it's the blue ocean concept. She was on the Tony Robbins podcast some years ago. I wish I knew which year, but I'm sure it's easy to find for those who wanna learn more about that concept, but it's really the premise of it is just that there is no competition that we are in this world, this ocean where there is just someone for everyone and there is so much out there and that we really can lift each other up so profoundly and powerfully when we integrate that philosophy and that perspective and that I think newer paradigm kind of conditioning to everything that we do in this life and I can't even identify like one fiber in my being that feels any competition literally. Like I find that so sad to think that people can feel that, but I understand, I understand that. I just, I think from having learned a lot within the Buddhist lineage, it's like you've gotta transmute that jealousy into inspiration and into motivation and so it's like for myself in life when I see something that inspires me, I check in, is this something that I wanna integrate into my own experience and if so, how can I learn? Or maybe I'll approach this person and have a conversation with them and learn more about what it took for them to get to that place and in that path that they're on to cultivate that more or is this something that I just fully am honoring and bowing to someone else who does it so incredibly well and I feel so blessed to have this opportunity to be able to witness that. And locally, I mean so many of my women friends and particular men too, but I'm just thinking of so many women in my life, but who have businesses that I will refer so many people to all the time. Like constantly people always say, Molly, you're such a connector 'cause I'm just always connecting people. I mean, it's why there's so many people that come and practice in my center too 'cause I'm just like, there is someone amazing out there who can provide that modality for you and like we've found someone that we really love and we hope you'll love them too. But I just, and I love, I love giving to people who are in service in a certain light that they are so passionate about and do something so well. Like I love that exchange of like here, let me provide for you and the way that you're providing for me that like giving and receiving is just, I feel like that's kind of what life is all about. And I just, I don't believe in the competition. I feel like we're all here to help support each other to enhance what we do and to expand and to support each other in that process and to learn from each other and just keep growing, wisdom is healed, pain, right? We've all been through it and we just keep that flow going and that's, yeah, I can't imagine it any other way. I just, yeah, I love, I love learning about what people do and where they're showing up in the world and how people align their purpose with their path in this life to create that kind of seamless nature. So it's like you're walking your spiritual path, right? With all that you do. It's like Rumi's quote. What is it? Let the beauty of what you do, no, let, what did I say? - Okay, I'm ready. - I know, I'm on a roll. Let the beauty of what you love be what you do. - Right. - Let the beauty of what you love be what you do, right? It's just aligning that love and that purpose and that passion with all that you do in this life, you know? - And also finding like, you know, we're talking about like how can we support each other? We're here to support each other, but also there's an earth that really needs us to work together. I feel like it feels very almost like competition is not the way to uplift us together. It just isn't, you know? So yeah, how can we find where we're connected? And, you know, that in you finding your passion and me finding my passion that we can just keep amplifying hope and possibility and actually make change. And that's so important right now. It's like, there's just, I don't even want to waste time with competition. I have too much shit to do. There's just no way that I'm not, you know, and I'm also, you know, we're both connectors. It's why when we do events, like there's, you know, it's just like, it's juicy. People are, people are attracted to that, to that, the joy and the, and not just the joy, the vulnerability. I will say that building community is very vulnerable making. It's very intimate, you know? When you're working alongside someone, when you're creating alongside someone, it can be something as simple as crafts, you know? We were doing watercolors yesterday in my space. And one woman said, I haven't painted in 20 years. And it used to be a big part of my practice. And she was obviously dealing with a lot of physical issues. And she was, she didn't want to say yes at the beginning. And then she started painting. She painted something so beautiful. And, you know, are the people that come in and say, I'm not creative. And, you know, it's like, why would I want to stand in the way of anyone's expression in any way, you know? So, yeah, I don't feel, I don't feel a kinship with competition either. There's plenty of room for all of us to shine. - I love the earth perspective that you brought in. Just kind of seeing this whole concept that you're bringing up to Risa from like a planetary perspective and an eco-friendly perspective. But, you know, I love watching nature shows. I don't know if you both are into them, but I watched so many. And just to watch how animals kind of co-exist and cohabitate such an appreciation, you know? It's like when they have like the night cameras on and you'll see like the rhinos coming to get the water and the elephants and the cheetahs. And it's just like they're all sharing from this, this water to replenish themselves and their families and their tribe and their community. And no one's attacking anybody. They're like, okay, yeah, we all need water. But nature is such, to me is just the greatest teacher that we have, right? 'Cause they think of all the beings on this planet that have been clearly the most destructive. It is humans, right? And we're really, so many of us are on this path to really try to help inspire people to think differently and act differently so that we can make those more planetary changes that are so necessary. But thank you to all the sentient beings on this earth that really coexist well and only take what they need and give when they can and don't have that competitive nature. I just, I can't imagine doing anything in life with that competitive energy because it just, it taints the experience. Like my favorite Tony Robbins quote is success without fulfillment is the ultimate failure. And he talks about, you know, working with billionaires who are so upset in life and really struggle. And then it's not about the money. Like Bob Marley said, some people are so poor all they have is money, right? It's like our, if we can align our path with that sense of fulfillment in all that we're doing, there's no room for competition. We are just, our heart is just wide open for what it is that we're here to do and serve and also as servers receiving it, right? But it goes both ways. And that's the beauty of stepping into a work that you feel so passionate about because you receive so much in that process of giving. I fucking love what I do. Sorry, I don't know if I'm not there so much. - No, we're not. We have to be mindful of our language. - Okay. - I love what I do. - Thank you. - So sorry about that. - Whoops. - And we appreciate what you do. Highlighting all these amazing women that are, are we bouncing a show now? We're so happy that we got a foodie, thanks. - No, we might, we might have to, no, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying and it reminds me of sort of this awareness and what I've witnessed in my own self. If ever I do feel a twinge of like concern that I see somebody doing something that maybe I want to be doing, et cetera, that always is a reminder to me that that's, that's actually because I need to be doing something for myself, right? It's never about the other person. It's always about checking in and what is missing from my life? Is there a lack somewhere? Is there a fear for some reason? And to do the work to nourish that part of myself versus having any sort of like external perspective on somebody else. So I think because the two of you have very full rich lives both within your work that you do, with the way that you're showing up for community, the collaborations that you're doing, like you said, Molly, there isn't a space. Like why would the notion of jealousy or competitiveness or envy or anything like that? Why would they even come in because you are just full, right? Everything is not to say that your life is perfect. Hopefully it is, but that's not what I'm saying. It's just that it is full. - Yes, if you come from that place of non-competition, then you become an attractor. Like I wouldn't, you know, I'm not debt free at all, you know, but I feel very rich because I feel like my home, all of the things that I do, like none of this would be anything without the collaborations of my family and my friends going, ah, I see this too, let's help. And it's been just incredible. I mean, just the last couple of weeks with Preston, like how people have shown up, not just for me, and also because they're also feeling the beauty of what is being, you know, what is growing there that's gonna serve a lot of people. - Yeah, what you would do, right, will ultimately attract what it is that really is at the heart of that mission. And it's just amazing the people that will come through as a result. And then you just, you expand that community. That's how it all happens, right? - I want to remind, oh, sorry, I want to remind listeners that you both have events individually and events at the evolutionary, evolutionary holistic healing center, evolutionaryholistichealing.com are listed there. Jenny's events at crescentcrescenthv.com are listed there. Jenny also has a website, Jennywunderling.com. All of this will be in the show notes for folks to find. But to just bring it back to one of the inspirations for bringing you on the shows to talk about the special event that you're having on Thursday, which is a reminder, because we talked about at the beginning of the show, that Samuel J, who is a powerful sound healer through vocal singing and music, is performing at crescent this Thursday. And that tickets can be found at either of your websites. - And eight p.m. - Eight p.m. - It's in Gardener. - And yeah, thank you ladies for continuing to do the work, because-- - Seven p.m. - Seven p.m. - Seven p.m. - Seven p.m. - I have a whole time saying lately, I'm just doing too many things, but it seems like they're gonna be seven to nine 30, but if we're still dancing after nine o'clock, people can do that. - Yeah, and arrive at 645 to get cozy and set up and all of that good stuff. - And get tickets in advance, because it is definitely gonna sell out and there's having. - And we're only days away, but Samuel J's tour for this month of August entails Turkey, the Hamptons, Montauk, Ibisa Spain, Mayorka Spain, Mexico, and Gardener, New York. - So come to the one day that he will be in Gardener, New York and have some value to represent. - Yeah, and for him, aside from all of the music, for those of you who are just tapping into the show now, but also just the contribution that he offers to this planet with so many different projects that he's involved with. Only one, the Ashinga women in Zimbabwe, Akashinga. Sea Shepherd, he also has a program, a project that's called The Young Elders, which you can find on his website. You can go to his website, which is SamuelJMusic.com to learn more about him, and he's all over social media as well. If you wanna check out his videos, and he's just so involved in so many different projects. So it's really beautiful to witness. - Thank you so much, Teresa. - Thank you, ladies. I look forward to seeing you at one of your spaces, both of your spaces some day soon. And thanks for doing all the beautiful work that you're doing to create the unity and to inspire healing. - Thank you, thank you. - Thank you, appreciate it. (upbeat music) - All righty, my beauties. Let's see, the Leo New Moon happened yesterday. And what time of the day was it? Do I have it to my calendar? No. Sometime. And I thought I would return to one of my favorite astrologers, Tanaz, from Forever Conscious, to see what she has to say about the new moon. And so I'll share a little bit here with you on air, and I will put the link into the show notes, or just go ahead and search for foreverconscious.com. On the internet, and you'll find it. She says, "The Leo New Moon kicks off the new lunar cycle, giving us fresh new energy to work with and a fresh perspective." Leo New Moons are a time to encourage playfulness and lighten whatever is feeling heavy on our hearts. They are an opportunity to celebrate the inner of light that lives within, and remember that we are here to play, experience and find joy, especially in the simple things. The lightness of the Leo Moon is amplified this year by Jupiter, making a harmonious alignment and reminding us to focus on the brighter side. Jupiter is the great expander, and while the new moon may also expand or touch on challenges that we are facing, it is likely we will see them with a silver lining, or perhaps a new, broadened perspective. I'll just interject as I like to do wearing these things to share a little anecdote from my teacher-training days when I was studying Kundalini Yoga. And there was some way that teacher kind of talked about something that's similar to what Tanaz says right here about expanding. And the imagery that my teacher used was of, like sort of finding in your sphere, in your periphery, where you're locking into whatever it is, that is the challenge for you. And to just send it out way, way far away into the infinite, like just imagine it traveling through space far, far away. And just to do this as sort of an imaginative, energetic, playful practice, and to notice how if and how the body shifts and changes and feels about whatever that challenge is, when you basically send it so far out that you're, you can think of it as like looking at it from this overview, from a distance, as just sort of like this little part of life, to kind of get a big picture overview of it. And see if that new perspective changes how it feels with you. And if you can actually feel a shift in your body, oftentimes what's going on sort of intellectually or logically with respect to this challenge can shift. So that's just a baby little exercise for you. If it's not happening naturally under this new moon, then that is something that you can try on your own. And it doesn't mean that you just try it once. You could try it a couple of times and see if that shifts anything for you to now as continues here, saying that the Leo new moon brings the medicine we need. Choreclo, the asteroid of spirit medicine is also activated under this new moon. Choreclo is known as the wife of Chiron, the asteroid of the wounded healer. And she carries a very similar energy, but she reminds us to step into our healing gifts through our intuition and mother nature. She reminds us that our medicine can be found not just in nature, but also deep within our hearts. She reminds us that the tonics we are searching for live within us and can be created and cultivated by us when we dig a little deeper or choose to recognize the healing powers that live within. Choreclo can guide us to find the perfect medicine, whether it be a drug from our doctor or walk in nature or in herbal medicine, Choreclo will guide us to what we need to stay open to her messaging. If you are walking a healing journey or looking for healing answers, Choreclo will be on your side this new moon. And I'll just add, if there is something going on for you right now that you are seeking clarity on or healing, et cetera, doing the thing that we talked about earlier in the show, going to an event like the Samuel J. Performance or finding some other class or way of connecting in community in an intentional way can be extremely profound. And you probably already know that, but here's just the reminder to you that that is important self-care that can help to shepherd you through whatever it is that's happening in your life that feels like it needs your attention. You don't have to do it alone as Molly and Jenny have so beautifully shared. That's what community is for. And there's something about the magic and coming together with others that can have some extra potency. So that's where I'm going to leave you with the new moon information. Thank you again to my guests, Molly McCarthy Tweety, Jenny Wonderling. Thank you to Shawna Filana for the show's music as always. Thank you to Ian Seda for engineering the show and taking the brunt of the heat for the radio unfriendly words that we're shared today and my apologies to everyone for that. Next week is spirituality and politics with Maria Alena. And we will be in the station talking to you about something that will stay in the realm of positivity when we talk about politics because it's heating up. All right, it's coming up next with the heavy light show until next week. I hope that you can love yourself and uplift one another. Ciao. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
