[MUSIC] That's it, never revealing personal detail about my show. But again, in public, thanks for that, Josh Santos. I'm gonna go crawl under the desk and do the rest of the show while I slowly die inside. But yeah, that is my man, Shawna Paul. Yeah, that is him there. You're gonna see him at butt stage a couple of weeks. And again, we all do things for the people we love in our life. My wife can be very happy. So here we are. You're very happy, Matt Marchese, because we have, again, we have football all summer long. You just heard me referencing a bunch of it in the CFL report. We just have some incredible names that I read off here. I am such a sucker for the all name team. I started to, in my head, I didn't give it out to the people. But I started to go, I am totally, oh, I started to go like full boomer on it. It's like a guy had the last name at Alexander. I'm like, don't call me, don't call me Jason Alexander. I had my hand, but we had a, we had a Dustin Crumb in there. That's a great name. That feels much more like a reliever, feels like a baseball reliever. Oh, we won't give him a crumb. You certainly love that also, though. Charleston Rambo is just truly as good as it gets. Especially for a football. It feels like two different sides of the spec. Charleston and then Rambo. Yeah, it does. I like that. I just, I hear a good name. I have to, I have to give them their due. And it's really not them. I mean, like Shadow to, Shadow to mom and dad on that one or whoever like pitched the name to him. But yes, Charleston Rambo, just an incredible handle. You love football. You get more excited than sane people do. Yes. About the preseason being here. Did you, did you enjoy yourself some? Did you just like the the fervor of football being back? What would your kind of general excitement level? Well, I think it's just knowing that there's football every weekend until February now, where you're kind of just like, OK, we're in it. And I'm not, I didn't, I didn't sit and watch a ton. That's the right answer. I watched clarify. But I did follow box scores and looked into certain things like, you know, hey, this guy had a really good day. But which quarterback was throwing him the ball? Or when did this guy play? Was he playing into the fourth quarter? Like certain things like that. But I did watch Kayla Williams and his debut against the Buffalo Bills. And I think it's just that. It's just the hype of football being back and big into fantasy. We've already, I've already had two drafts waiting on like five more. So I mean, we're, we're in it. But it's the, it's the wonderful thing about the NFL that there's just always juicy storylines. Like every year, there's always something. This year, you know, you have some dark horse teams that are looking to kind of flip the script. Like how good are the Packers and the Texans going to be like, for me personally, how good are the bills going to be with this kind of revamped offense with most of fun digs. The Jets were there and like, there's just so many. But then you've got the personal stories like, what the heck is going to happen with, like when CDLAM signing is extension or when is Brandon, like, what happens with Brandon IU because that's getting awkward. And it is. Yeah. And I mean, you, you see a guy like we see trade requests and wanting to be traded and wanting a new deal happen all the time. And it's kind of, I think everyone is super understanding of that when it doesn't affect anybody else. Like I care, business, wine, moan, complain, argue, advocate for yourself. However you want to phrase that, go do it. But once you start to get into the season, I think that's when teams start to kind of, or when, when players start to kind of have it bump up against what is, what is affecting them. I think the, I'm not saying it's going to be the story of the season. I cannot wait for early season referendums on Caleb Williams. No, but specifically on Caleb Williams that we've, we've seen this movie before, right? Where we have a quarterback that is slightly unconventional, right? It's like we saw it with Cam Newton, right? It's like he always a little different, he wants to run the ball more. And people are just so ready to overreact one way or another. Now, I think the thing with Caleb Williams is you're going to see it. Like it's going to be, you're going to hear it. It's going to be all the personal stuff. It's going to be, oh, it paints his nails. I don't want my quarterback doing that. And the overreactions one way or another. And I mean one way or another. Yes, if he has a stinker in the first game, there'll be all the uncles of Chicago, basically just all the guys from Dober said on Saturday Night Live, back when going, I told you, yeah, to draft a bow next. This is not the way to go about your business. You need a lead or not something you're going to do. But conversely, if he is a good game, he's going to be Patrick Mahomes. Well, it's not that he's going to be Patrick Mahomes. It's going to be the people rushing out to take the other side of things. It's like, ah, this is why we can't. And it's like, of course, you can't prejudge a guy on something like that. You should judge him on all the tape you have and all the interviews you get to do with them and everything. There's just going to be people so ready. And they've already decided where they want to fall on this and people do that and all things in life. But I think number one pick on the draft for the franchise who really has never had a number one caliber quarterback. Yeah. Sorry, sexy, Rexy. I know really, really mean. Jim McMahon still kind of deserved it. But mean, I look at that and I just think that is going to be the guy that there are so many kind of not hard, but more casual referendums on one way or another. I yeah, I the Caleb William things is fascinating to me because there are seemingly two schools of thought. One is that he's Patrick Mahomes and the other is that he's a bust. Like it's almost as if he can't be anywhere in between. And I definitely fall under the in between because there's only one Patrick Mahomes. Like I think Josh Allen's great. Josh Allen is still a tier below Patrick Mahomes as is Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. Like we've seen it. The proof is in the pudding. So for people that come out and say he's the next Patrick Mahomes, it's like, okay, let's take a step back. I personally did not have him as my number one quarterback. I reserved that for I reserved that for Jaden Daniels. I love this game. Caleb Williams is too. Yeah. I look at it and say, okay, it's also really hard to rush judgment on rookie quarterbacks because situations are different. Caleb Williams has maybe the best pass catching group that any rookie quarterback in the history of the sport has ever had coming in. DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunes and Cole Comette. Yeah. Kind of a pass catching quadruplet as you have in football period. So that's where it's like, okay, he's a little bit ahead of Jaden Daniels because Jaden Daniels has Terry McLaurin and yeah, that pause was done on purpose. Scary. I like Benson, not the rookie there tight end, John Donson's fine, but it's not the same. So that's another thing like situation matters. And I think that Caleb Williams is in a great one. They've improved the offensive line. But also like, you know what's going to happen. He's going to make some ridiculous throw and everybody's going to be like, Oh, look, there's Patrick Mahomes. And it's like, let's tone it down. See, it's interesting. I'm really curious to see. This tells you a lot about how I view the world that it's like, you know, and I'm most excited to see week one is how I react to things. But I, you know, there's this line, there's this, there's this like thing and it's funny. You know, like one of the guys, you know, no longer a persona to grad up for most people. But there's this thing, it's called like comedians talking comedy or something. It's Jerry Seinfeld, Ricky Gervais, Louis CK and Chris Rock and just talking about the art of comedy. And Seinfeld tells a story about how it was actually Louis CK who introduced him at an event like this was when he was a much younger comic. He's like, Hey, it's the funniest guy in the world. You're never going to laugh harder than Jerry Seinfeld coming up. Hey. And the audience in Seinfeld tells the story of the audience going, all right. Go ahead. Funny man. There's just no way to put somebody in a position to succeed. The person I have most felt that way about has been Trevor Lawrence leading up to the hype, the hype, the hype and watching him at Clemson and seemingly every, everything I ever heard about the guy before I saw him taking NFL snap. I was just primed for him. All right. We better be Brady. That's the floor. We're kind of setting here. And I feel like Caleb Williams is kind of walking in with that level of expectation with that level of hype. I'm not saying he's wholly unique in that. We've done it to a bunch of guys, but that's going to be the thing is just how does not he deal with that? But how do the rest of us kind of deal with our perception of Williams based on how he's viewed coming in? I have no problem with my perception of this individual. I love having him on this radio show. Trey Wingo of the alternate routes podcast joining us now. Trey, thanks so much for getting on this morning. How you doing? Good guys. How are you doing? Well, doing well, we're saying we're just saying we're a few sweet weeks away from quite frankly, this job being stealing money on a Monday morning, walking in, had a million games on just react, react, react, maybe a little right. Maybe I'm a little wrong, but yeah, we are just mere weeks away from from that time. I don't know if you just heard there. We're just talking about Caleb Williams and I, you know, I'm just there have been guys who have come into this league with hype before. There's been Lawrence. There's been luck there again. We can go down the list of of it, but he feels certainly like one of the most or the most highly touted quarterbacks in recent memory. How do you think that changes the way kind of fans or media perceive him as he comes into the league and specifically with the overreactions we know happen one way or another following week one? Well, I guess the best way to answer that would be I don't know if I've ever seen a guy taken number one overall come into a better situation. Now let me explain. Normally, if you're taking number one overall, you're going to a team that's crap. Right? Yeah. And you really have to sort of find a way to survive. Well, Caleb Williams is going into a situation where he has DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Cole Comette, DeAndre Swift, they draft Romo Dunes and he has a Bears defense that statistically was the top 10 last year. Now, just compare and contrast that to when Justin Fields was not the first overall pick in 2021, but a top 10 pick, his weapons in Chicago were Velas Jones and Darnell Mooney. And they had the worst defense statistically in the history of the Bears franchise. So the expectations for Caleb don't necessarily for me come from the fans and the hype but comes from the reality that he might he might be the best QB taken number one overall to ever walk into a situation with a competent team around them. I think that if this doesn't work, then everybody doesn't understand the draft anymore because this guy was, like you said, very well hyped and comes into a situation where he's going to have more weapons than anybody I can ever remember. Trey, the one thing that I was saying in the open here is that it really does feel like with Caleb Williams specifically because of all these and frankly, I think they're ridiculous comparisons to Patrick Mahomes because there's only one Patrick Mahomes and it really does feel like there's almost no in between when it's going to come to evaluating Caleb Williams early on. It's either he's going to make great throws and he's going to be Patrick Mahomes or he's going to not make great throws and he's going to be insert bust quarterback here. Like that's where it feels like, which is unfair to Caleb Williams because at the end of the day, still a young quarterback coming in and the pro game is entirely different than playing in college, especially in a Lincoln Riley offense, I might add. So I think all of that is relevant for Caleb Williams because it really does feel like there's no gray area with him when it comes to evaluating him. And I think that's kind of unfair. It is. The core backs are overdrafted, overhyped and over scrutinized. I mean, that's just the way it is, but it is the most important position in team sports in this country. So that's sort of the place we find ourselves and you get so many times, you get guys that come in and they look great in preseason, right? Like everyone's raving about Bowdex and J.J. McCarthy and all these things right now. Well, the best way I can sort of slow the hype train is that NFL preseason game is the same thing as an NFL regular season game in the same way that a tofu burger is a wide goop beef burger. They're both technically called burgers, but they couldn't be more different, okay? I mean, they're not the same and you're going to have a lot of guys playing that will not make a league. You're going to have defenses that aren't scheming for you specifically. A lot of times teams don't even want to blitz in these situations because they don't want to tip their hands on what they want to do defensively. So if you're quarterback, you're rookie quarterback plays well in preseason, that's great. But it is really no indication whatsoever of whether or not he's going to play well once they start actually keeping score. Yeah, it's you nailed it with the initial analogy and God, I was out of barbecue this weekend, little family pool party and somebody was like scrounging around for the tofu and I'm like, hey, do you, that's fine, but please, the beef one for me. Yes, please, please, please. Somebody had it was somebody who had an injury season last year and it led to his team having a weird one, the Bengals, you know, it felt like they were going to be right there at top the AFC challenging my homes and the Chiefs right there with the Ravens and the bills. And I think they could certainly be back there, but it was just a weird, weird year for them. How do you expect the bounce back season or at least one that I expected to be to go for them? Well, every year almost it seems like we have a team to go for more so first, right? And you'd certainly look at the Bengals finish 9 and 8 in the AFC North last year and think of them as a team that has the potential to do that. We're also talking about the AFC North, which I think is the most competitive division in football right now. Obviously, you have the Ravens and what they did last year is the number one seed and they pick up their encountering a Cleveland made the playoffs last year despite the shown loss and giving them way for nothing and Joe Flacko leading them to the postseason. Steelers made the playoffs last year and they are an interesting team right now with what's going on. And it looks like Justin Fields is tracking to be their starter day one and then you have the Bengals. And it's going to be an interesting year for the Bengals like, you know, Joe is at an interesting off season. He's put on some muscle, he's gone to a couple of fashion shows, he's, you know, he's gone full M and M with his hair and then you have the Bengals, we're just going to mess around with your March. Jesus contract. And if they, if they do this, like this is the most bangles thing ever, right? Normally, you know, the Bengals special was Zach Taylor and since they drafted Joe Burrow of it's, it's been looked at as a different franchise and they have high expectations. Well, then why are they messing around with your March, Jesus contract? It just something about it doesn't seem right for me and I'm just a little concerned. If I'm bangles and I'm just a little concerned that the secret sauce just doesn't feel right at this moment. Not only that, they still got to figure out what they're going to do with T Higgins after, you know, after after this year as well. Like there's a lot of question marks there. I, you mentioned to Sean Watson in there and I wanted to ask you this because you look at pressure among quarterbacks because, you know, you, you said it. It's the most important position in team sports period and I don't think that it's even remotely close, but when you look at the importance of that position and with some of these teams, to Sean Watson's in this conversation, when you look at these three guys to a talk about Loa, Trevor Lawrence or DeShawn Watson, who has the most pressure on them this season? Well, it's interesting, right? Because I don't think anybody has less pressure on them. Let's start with DeShawn. The only way he's ever going to validate that contract and quite frankly, I'm not sure if he's the one that has to have a validated people that sign him to have to have a validated is if they they get to a Super Bowl. For Toa, the pressure is to win a football game in the postseason. For Trevor, it's proved that we were right. Like much in the same way with Caleb Williams, you know, there were guys that said, and I think I heard you say this in the before I got on the air, like Trevor Lawrence, a lot of people thought after his freshman year at Clemson, he was ready. And you know, he was taking number one overall in 2021, and then they had a good season where I discount the urban Meyer year because our Meyer's going to go out as the worst coach in the studio, so they make the postseason, they come back from 27 down, all these things go their way. So they're trending, right? The 2023. They have a better team around him and they fall apart during the stretch of the season. He throws more interceptions in fewer games last year, and he had the third most thumbles in the league. There's a lot of pressure on all of these guys, but you know, I think that the white hot scrutiny of the contract that the Sean Watson got will never go away, and it's never going to happen. Like no one's ever going to get that contract again. The Browns have proven why no one's ever going to get that contract again. It just, it made no sense whatsoever. And with everything else that goes along with the Deshawn Watson package, with the Altfield stuff that he's still trying to distance itself from, I think there's a lot of pressure on Deshawn Watson because that team is playoff ready, and that defense is really, really good. Yeah, I mean, God, Deshawn Watson has enough detractors, but I just wonder how many among that group are the fellow quarterbacks in the league? Because four, I don't know, maybe you feel differently about it. For a minute there, when Lamar Jackson was kind of locked in it with the Ravens, it felt like, Oh man, like did Deshawn Watson do it? Is he kind of really made the tide turn on these quarterback deals where it is going to be? And not that these guys are getting, you know, small guarantees, like Burroughs 11 million less than him, Herbert, you know, about 12, but it did feel like for a while there. And I don't know, maybe I'm wrong on that, that it was trending towards, okay, that's what you're going to have to do. It does seem like kind of owners and GMs were able to kind of hold the front long enough now that that tide is kind of stemming back towards bin. And I guess the Mahomes of it all just kind of helps lock that in place. No, Mahomes is what the eight highest paid quarterback right now. Yeah. I mean, he's following the Brady blueprint, right? It's ridiculous. So yeah, I think that the owners and now I'm not going to be very careful here that we have no idea that they got together and discussed this. No one's alleging that. No, we have no proof of that. No, God, no. The eight, the eight we heard that, you know, we don't want to do any allegations and we don't want to talk about, you know, I just think 32 Spark businessmen came to the exact same decision. It's weird. Now that happens. Yeah. Yeah. I think that they, that was sort of nipped at the butts for sure. Trey, there's this, there's this situation brewing and while it's not brewing, it's, it's feels like it's almost out of boil right now. And that's with Brandon, I you in San Francisco, in the bottling, the process is complete. The fermentions happen. Yeah. We've got the labels there. Everything. Yeah. So I look at this and say, okay, Brandon, I you can ask for a trade. That's fine. He feels like he's worth more than the reported $26 million per season that the Niners are offering, which I think is kind of foolish, but fine. He turns down a trade to New England where he's going to make $32 million a season because he doesn't like the quarterback situation. Fine. But this guy's got to play football at some point and it does feel like we're kind of down to any, at least Jeremy Fowler is reported, like it's Pittsburgh or it's San Francisco. But boy, returning to San Francisco to play, and I know it's a whole then and he's kind of just hanging around. But that's got to be super awkward for Brandon. I you for a team that at this point in time is down Christian McCaffrey is not going to play in the preseason. He's hurt. Um, they, they've got some other issues. They've got an aging, we're to say they have an aging roster with guys that are overpriced and oh, by the way, Trent Williams isn't there either. Are we talking enough about not only the brand and I situations getting its play, but it doesn't look like it's all that comfortable in San Francisco right now. It doesn't. And let's, let's add in a couple of things you didn't even mention. Christian McCaffrey's got a calf issue and they're so beat up. They had to cancel their joint practices this week with the Titans. Um, so, you know, and oh, by the way, just remember this when in a few years, we get that 18th regular season game. Okay. Then I'd have a different, getting out of training camp. Okay. So you're, you're not wrong in this situation. But you know, look at, look at Joe Burrow, who had the calf strain last year in training camp and how limited it was for him as a quarterback. Well, now put that on steroids because Christian McCaffrey's a running back. It is a completely different injury when you're dealing with a guy who literally only uses his legs to, to do what he does. Um, so the Niners, I think still top to bottom have probably the best roster in football. The only difference is, you know, they don't have 15 a quarterback, which is not a knock on party. It's just that 15 is the outlier of all outliers. But there are issues in San Francisco. The Trent Williams thing is significant. There were some, some losses on the defensive line. The Brandon Ayuke situation is lingering. The Christian McCaffrey injury is troubling if I'm a Niners fan. This has been a not so great summer for San Francisco and we, you know, we're talking about these things and we haven't even gotten to the first game yet. Yeah. Just imagine if Rogers had been able to warm his way there, one of the, one of these years to be in a whole different kettle of fish. Uh, Trey, I love the chat. Uh, I, uh, if you'll let us, I'm sure we'll buggy a plenty throughout the season. Uh, thanks so much for jumping on this morning. You got it guys. Anytime. Uh, there he goes. Uh, Trey Wingo alternate routes, podcast, love, love, love, uh, getting him on a couple of interesting things to hit on there. Uh, one, he mentioned the injuries or the worry from McCaffrey. I will never hear, uh, Christian McCaffrey's name and talking about his fitness and not remember the psycho story of his dad when he was in high school of no jeans on game days, too heavy to get bogged down the legs. So that's the kind of psycho, uh, he's been sharing more than to work today. Yeah. I mean, that's clearly the reason why, uh, where, where, where we are is, uh, you wearing jeans. Yeah. No, I don't, I think it's, I actually can buy it with McCaffrey and not at all from you. I don't, I do think there's just such a flora talent. I think their year from hell looks like the Bengals did last year where you're still fake competitive and it's nine and eight, you're above 500, but they really do feel ripe from the, uh, the kind of year from hell season where around, we're going to see this one. I, I, I can vision it. I can envision it now around week eight, we're going to do the, we're asking a lot more questions of Brock Purdy. He just had to sit there and fill in the scan. Tron. No, it's getting more difficult. He's got to start doing some long answers. He's got to show his work. That's what you're going to see. Cause I do just think it's going to be one of those years and I'm not completely ruling out the possibility that Purdy can answer some of those questions as the year goes on. We've, we've done that referendum. A bunch will do it a bunch more, but I do think they could easily have the Bengal season from last year. Yeah. And we could have questions about them. Like we did about Philadelphia down the charts. Remember, Philadelphia was dominant at the beginning of the season and they went through it in the second half and, you know, like losing Jason Kelsey is going to help. Yeah. I'm sure it'll be fine. And, you know, the heart and soul of their team. It's fun. Yeah. I'm sure everything's fine. But with San Francisco, it's, it's funny because we just don't talk about them in this light because it's like, well, they just, they're constantly in NFC championship games or they're in the Super Bowl. And I think you look at it and say George Kittle's over 30, he's one of the highest paid tight ends in the league. Trent Williams is one of the highest paid offensive linemen. He's 36 and he's looking for more money and or term. You could talk about the fact that they still need to pay Brock Purdy. They're paying Deebo Samuel already. They're paying Christian McCaffrey. They're paying a bunch. They're paying a Fred Warner and like they have a lot of high priced guys who it's winning time. It's winning time, but also at the same breath in the same breath. Are you as good without Brandon and I, you can your lineup? The answer is no. Of course not. And Kyle Shannon can't be super thrilled about not having him there for camp, but also the fact that they can't stay healthy, especially as Trey mentioned, like they can't stay healthy in training camp. Yeah. And that's been a constant problem when we look at at Kyle Shanahan teams historically, especially at the running back position. I thought you were going to say it was the losing important game. Yeah, that part too. As a bills fan, I can't really speak too much to that because I don't know what it's like for them to win. But they have a problem, especially at running back with keeping guys healthy, like their back up Elijah Mitchell is also hurt. They had to go sign Matt Breda off the scrap. He'd just to play preseason games. God, that's the other funniest thing about the NFL running backs. They all die immediately and then they pop back up. Oh, look at that. Matt Breda. He's there still, still poking around. So there's a lot of questions. I think more questions with the Niners than people are willing to ask because I think the assumption just is they're the Niners. They're going to be really good, but also in the same breath. It's like, I'm not, I'm not worried about Brock party. I'm worried about them staying healthy right now. Yeah. And I think that pretty is had the, I don't know, like pick your analogy here. The life jacket, the water wings on long enough that eventually you should be able to kind of ask those, those things of him. And that's the question. That's where you're going to get your referendum on what exactly he is. But guess what? Like they're banged up down the stretch and they needed a lot from him and he's able to get them. And he looks all jacked. Right. I know we do that preseason thing where it's like, Oh, look at this running back in his quad. This guy, he looks like he's put in work and it's a big year because he could get a big extension. They could give you a zag on that though, sure, spending too much time, too much time in the wrong room. Getting the meeting room. Getting the meeting room. Come on. You know where you need to be. You know where you need to be jacked in your brain, bro. Look at the big brain on Brock, that's what I want to be saying. Lots of avocado screaming at my best Samuel Jackson voice, which I won't give to you all. Sorry. Again, Olympics wrapped up Noah Lyles and the beef with the NBA players. I don't know. They're there. He's weird. It's weird. Are they fighting? And get to the bottom of it also. Marquesi told me he has a golf question for me. I do. Like I'm excited. So you all should be too. We have more to show continues sports that five out of the fan unrivaled insight analysis that I just found out I got an extra day of Marquesi this week. It was a nice gift. It sounds sarcastic. It's impossible to say something's a nice gift on a Monday morning where they'll be like, you know, that's a nice gift on a Monday morning. But no, I mean, God, I love working with Ben. You know that. But I also feel like he would give me a slap on the risk with some of my hockey topics I bring in here. So hey, man. I know. I know. It's a role to do it. And the other thing is, it's your show. Like I'm here as the great Jeff Blair always says, I'm like Byron left, which just give me the game plan and I will execute it to the best of my abilities. I got to be honest, if you told me, Hey, Brent, you get 300,000 guesses. Jeff Blair referenced this athlete in a metaphor about mice about himself. I don't know that I would again, like, I don't know what the number would have to be for me to get to Byron left, which I would have definitely gone to like Barucy Adortman center backs before I got to Jaguars quarterbacks and still, I think, Buccaneers offensive coordinator. Yeah. Maybe no, he's not anymore. No, because I was Dave Canales last year. There's a hot, I don't know where Byron left, which is a hot O C for five minutes there. Yeah. Well, you know what? You've actually made me. He'll like, I'm not doing my due diligence here. Like, you don't know who the O C is. Why not? I know it's not him. I know it's not Dave Canales because he's the head coach and if you ever want to come to a place to feel no shame about not knowing where Byron left, which is plotting his trade as some type of coaching coordinator or consultant or coach and just flat out coach. This is the right place because you should feel no shame about such things. He is not an offensive court. He's not a coach anywhere right now. God, 2022, we're going to remember some things again, kids look this one up on YouTube, not while you're driving. I don't know. Obviously. I don't know what the youth are doing these days. It feels like that's apparently none of them are driving. Okay. Honestly, less people on the road. Good for me. We're happy. Keep it up. Kids do it doing great is the clip of him at Marshall on that drive when he was capable of somehow standing to play quarterback, but not going forward with the drive. So his offensive lineman would come back and carry him to whatever spot they were out on the field. Then he'd sling another rocket, go down. I believe they got to touch down on the driver. Incredible stuff. Yeah, we're doing a lot of remembering some stuff today. We are because it's what do we call it? The dog days is a dog days of summer. So Olympic games wrapped up, Noah Lyles, who is all prepped and ready, had his moment to be the face of the games. He was ready to do it with the idea of he's going to win the hundred bang. Does it does it in as exciting a fashion as possible? Again, I maintain because of the fact that it's literally 10 seconds, even less than that. I'd rather somebody just blow out. I'd rather watch Bolt just dust the competition than that. Sutter record. You do it in a photo finish. Awesome. Then you have COVID and you still manage to pick up a bronze again. I feel like people are kind of off two minds on that. They're rather very impressed or very tistous. I also do like that take though of like, okay, we got to know after, but we didn't need to know before. Okay. Interesting. And then he bows out of the 100 meter because of said COVID or sorry, the four by 100 meters to not able to kind of take over. But him and the NBA players, they have this like odd. I will say, but grudging respect, it feels like for each other, but they also can't kind of well, and it's a one way street of him not being able to stop kind of going at them because he had the comment of, forget who it would have been when they were world champions going. Yes. I don't think they should call themselves. I think it was just I think it was just in general, like team sports actually probably was super bowl related or something on those lines, but it was the NBA, but it wasn't about a specific show. I don't like the idea of these guys calling themselves world champs, which let me just be real is a ridiculous take. Okay. Obviously, that's the best team in the world, like some other team beat them on any one day. Sure. And Barcelona basketball is beating them on their you how dare you count out the Gasol brothers still to this day. How how dare you and the ghost to Ricky Rubio, who's probably poking around there, no. So that's where this all kind of stemmed from. And they just can't stop. No allows can't stop going at the NBA players. He has like little comment about them squeaking out gold. Obviously he's happy for their country, but I love this. I love the idea of him clearly wanting to be a star in no allows and him clearly wanting to kind of use the the draw of NBA players to go at it. If he says this about, and again, he said it about all team sports, but it's a reason he didn't go at the world series champs, right? He's not going at the Dodgers about this, because he cares quite frequently and he certainly doesn't. I just love this. I think it's interesting. I think we need guys like this in sport. The guy who actually won the 200 final that Lyles picked up the bronze in, he said as much. Oh, not me face to the sport, could never on the world's only quiet sprinter and it could not be me. And you know what? Pretty telling because I can't remember his name right now and I sure can't remember no a lot. I do know he's from Botswana. That's really all that I know. I believe his first name was Leslie like Leslie, but there's a T in the middle Leslie, I think. Okay. Well, that's a new one. But maybe not. Maybe we just need to be more aware. The last thing is also interesting too, because where some of this stemmed from was he was at an Adidas event where that's right, where he had this beef with Anthony Edwards because Anthony Edwards got a shoe deal and Noel, I was like, I should have a shoe deal because I'm the fastest man and I'm this and I'm that. And by the way, Adidas, you don't even care about basketball. You care more about sprinting than you do basketball. Why are we doing this? And then after the US wins, USA basketball sending out that not so subtle shots saying, can we call ourselves world champions now on a team comprised of all NBA players, which is fine. But yeah, I think it's, I think it's one of those things that doesn't happen all that often where sports crossover in terms of the, you know, not the commentary on, but more the criticisms from other athletes, it doesn't happen all that often, especially at this level. Like very rarely do you have a track star going at an NBA player or team or what exact opposite, right? It's like complete adulation. They want to be in the club and I like this. He's not coming in the back door like, well, can I come in? No, he's barging in the front door. I actually belong. You guys are so honored to be called what I am and the Olympian is how you should feel. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's great. And listen, like Donovan Bailey said on the show with us last week, like basically if you, the guys that don't have that mentality are losers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he didn't say they were losers, but he said they were not winners, which is a loser. But I think it's super interesting. Speaking of winners and losers, Mr. Gunning, yeah, Joel and Bead can finally call himself a winner. He can. Well, and Bead is Kevin Duranted his way to an Olympic gold. Yeah, that is a new one. And now after the Olympics, he's like, yeah, it's going to be in LA. But maybe I'm not going to play for the US. Is there a bigger front runner in sports right now than Joel and Bead, aside from the Dallas Cowboys defense last year? That's interesting. Yeah. It's funny too, because NBA is the sport where you, there's nothing wrong with being part of a team that has a lot of other tower, but there's also a level you reach where we don't want to see you go join up with somebody else, right? Yeah. Where, you know, if you're Joel and B, the idea of him doing this, I think a lot of people do look at it as is front running. I think the way I actually looked at it was not so much the lack of front running, but the getting out in front of USA basketball's decision. I'm not saying that the USA basketball wasn't excited to have Joel and Bead as part of it or he wouldn't have been part of it quite frankly, but they obviously needed him with this kind of cycle of guys. And just, you know, there's more youth coming like I like, Chad Holmgrom could easily be a center for the USA next time it rolls around. I think this was him getting in front of like, I think she might break up with me. I'm going to do it. Let me, let me jump the gun here and feel like I'm on the, on the high ground proactive breaking up. It's also the idea of, you know, if I'm, you know, him hinting at the thought of playing for Cameron, if you're from Cameroon, I'm sure you're ecstatic to have Joel. I would imagine maybe, maybe they feel differently about, I'd imagine you're ecstatic to have Joel and Bead. Wouldn't you have rather have had him when he's four years younger and the idea that Joel and Bead's not going to age a little roughly over the next four years. He's already age roughly at this point. What's that going to look like? So yeah, complete, complete kind of front running. He has his medal and now he can go do whatever he wants. I maintain if he was going to play for anybody, it should have been France at these games. I don't really understand how it works with why, you know, I don't know what his connection is that would have allowed him for that. I would have just loved to have seen a world where the States without Joel and Bead has happened to answer the questions of Victor Wembinjama and Go Bear and you throw and Bead into the mix. I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the game. I think the States still would have found a way to, to overcome with, you know, the other plethora of all the favors they have, but I would have loved to have seen that. If you're going to front run, front run a little, don't front run a lot. Normally I stay the opposite. Normally I say if you're going to do something, go all the way and do it. That would have been kind of the best of both worlds because if you would have found a way somehow to beat America and you're part of this France team and you do it at the Olympics on their home soil, like you're a hero forever and you were always going to, that's the other thing I can't understand it is there is no world where Joel and Bead was going to be the story of those games. So we shouldn't have had any thought about playing second fiddle to a guy like Wemby. That's the thing I keep thinking about with all this. Yeah, and the other like, I wonder if it would like, it does feel different than joining an NBA team. Like when you, when you front run as an NBA player and you're joining another NBA team, it does feel different with it being the Olympics because it also just shows how farcical some of this stuff is. It's like, yeah, I'll play for the, I'll play for the U.S. at this tournament. Then the next one, yeah, I'll probably play for Cameron. I just need a release. Yeah. Well, I also, I don't know, I don't know exactly how this works, but my, my understanding and hey, like feel free to prove me wrong is like in hockey, once you pick one, you're done. Like you can't be jumping all over the place. Cause my understanding was that was always the God. It's funny. We're going to remember some more guys here. It's funny that they did this for this player, but that was part of the reason Sean day got exceptional status into the OHL or at least like that was always the, you know, rumored belief part of it is you didn't want him to get into the USA hockey system and again, it's like all that, all that for Sean day, eh, but you look at it and I do, you know, Brett Hall, obviously famously played for the States, not for Canada, I, my, I, my belief and maybe I'm completely wrong on it, this is definitely the way I think it should work is once you played a senior event for, I don't care if you do it at 16 years old. Once you played a senior event for a country, that's where you play. There's none of this going back and forth. I suppose maybe there could be, you know, extenuating circumstances and I can hear the arguments for that, but that's the way I think it should work. I love the idea of, yeah, I'll represent this country and this game is not represent another one of this games. I, I quite frankly hate that Peter Ned bed played for Canada at a tournament, but I wasn't the Olympics most often played for now, Jackie. Yeah. Yes. And so I don't like hockey. I'm, I'm pretty sure unless you have to do some sort of waiver thing, like maybe that's how it works. I got to go through. There's the way Ross, Slovenia, how did they not take, but it's much like in international soccer. If you play, I think it's three or less caps under the age of 18, then you can still, you can still make enough, I believe, because I was, I was really into it, but trying to figure that out. And that makes a lot of, that makes a lot of sense for a, a, a sport where there are a lot of different international friendlies, they can under, yes, there's not, you know, in basketball, there, if you are somebody like the scrub brothers, okay, yes, there's plenty of international opportunity because of qualifying tournaments and everything. But if you're someone of Joel and Bead stature, there's basically two tournaments that matter. It's the World Cup and the Olympics, and that's the only time you're suiting up. Yeah. Maybe you're doing some of these. So I think with soccer, you can have a rule like that, whereas it's, I, I just feel differently about it. And that's why I just kind of feel like this. It just feels all too convenient here for, for Joel and Bead and all this. Okay. Golf question. Please. So I'm walking across the tunnel today and I'm, I was thinking about golf and then I was thinking about the tournament because one conversation that we had, and I know multiple people have had it among your group of friends or whatever, but it is, is there a way to make the Olympic golf tournament feel different than, and the same thing with tennis, yeah, feel different than a regular PGA tour, a live tour, whatever event. Yes. And, and that, and my, the one that I thought of was, could you do, because it is vastly different, is like a pair's alternate shot type tournament where it's, you know, two Canadians, whatever, like, is there something that stands out to you that you say, okay, I think you could do this to make it look different. If you really want, if you, if you really want the buy-in of it looking different, this is a, like, it could never work, but it would need to be the opposite, like, it would need to be an event in the winter Olympics, because the only reason that you, there are a million formats that would work. You mentioned the idea of a team, like alternate shot component. I think a lot of people would even love if there was some way match play could be involved in the Olympics. The problem is to do all that. You just need to ask them to play more golf, quite frankly. And one, I mean, we see how this goes with all the pro leagues, like the idea of shutting down a season and asking them to do more of that. The calendar just makes it damn near impossible. Women's golf, they still have a major coming up in, in their season. They have the, they, they have the Open Championship or the Scottish Open. I can't remember which in just a couple of weeks time, the PGA Tour playoffs start this week. The tournament that just wrapped up was the last chance to get in. I just think because of those end of season events existing, it's so impossible. My dream would be to have a world where yes, a team event, but I think you could, I think you could do a team event in addition to what you have now. You could easily, in my opinion, and it's not the same, but you could do, you hand out the men's medals, you hand out the women's medals and at the end of the, now again, all the men are gone by this point in time. So logistics make it tough, but at the end, you have a combined, you know, score of your best two competitors, your best man, your best women competitor, and you add them up. And it's just like stroke play, okay, who won the combined? You could do that, doesn't feel like an event though. It's just the problem of having the golfers there. They're never going to be there for more than a week like they are for everything else in the world that the dream would be you play two days of stroke play. And then after that, you go into match play and it's elimination, but there's just no way the guys or girls are going to sign up to play more than four rounds of golf in the week. And I, I loathe it. I think that would make it feel different and the idea of an actual match component, I think would be exciting to a lot of people, but it's just the timing of it. It's just damn near impossible and it's the biggest like hurdle to baseball being in the Olympics as well. So maybe you hit it on the head that it's the, the tournament for the men's and women's is two days rather than four and, or I guess the, well, this is the problem with the world and I want to be clear. I think this was the right stance to take, but this is where more so men's professional golf is like box themselves in here is that part of the biggest, the biggest hammer they're using against live and why it's not real. It's, it's the three events. So the idea of like, Hey, for Olympic gold, let's play two. It's just such a hard sell and not that the PGA tour makes the Olympics. But I think that the Rory McElroy's the world, the guys who have been pretty adamantly against that, it'd be pretty hard to hold your Olympic medal in such esteem when you've spent the better part of, you know, five years talking about how big a farce it is. Yeah, I'd love it. I just, it's so impossible to kind of figure out a way. I just a quick one that doesn't matter that it, do you think it needs to change or you're just fine with, like you're a big golf guy. So are you just fine with it the way that it is? I am. I would love a world where you could put it in a different spot in the season. But I think that you just have to prioritize the things that matter the most. If the PGA tour wants the playoffs to ever matter a lick, and I know there are people out there that say it doesn't need to. Why do we care about the playoffs? Okay. But it's a league. If they want to have people care all season long, aside from just a two wins the tournament any week, you need to have an ultimate payoff. The PGA tour playoffs used to go into the second, third week of the NFL season. That's never going to happen. The idea of somebody, it took Tiger Woods, winning his first tournament in over a decade to get people to tune away from an NFL Sunday. That's just never going to happen quite frankly for anything other than that. So they had to bump the playoffs to where it's at now. So it's done with before the NFL starts. And then that just really leaves them no room unless the Olympics were earlier in the season. But I don't think the Olympic Games is going to completely uproot their schedule for the world of professional golf. As much as I would like it, if that's the case, good job. Good golf questions. I figured, I was walking across and I was just like, I think, I think I can ask Gunner this. I think it'll work. I think you can too. It's now time for the wake and rake presented by sports interaction, your homegrown sports book, 19 plus bet responsibly. Blue Jays tour of juggernauts continues on the road this time for a date with the angels. The mic trout lists, angels, the show, Tom, angels. Yes. So they have nothing. They have nothing. Blue Jays, the Spiderman meme going on there, blue Jays. The money line for the Jays is minus 110. That is also the line on the total one way or another. You got to pay minus 110 on either side of it. The total is nine and no bound in Francis is on the bump tonight. I also know what both these offenses are capable of and I don't say that flatteringly to either of them. I'm going to take the under of the total of nine there in this game. That's the thing I feel the most confident about. Maddie, you got to lean one way or another on this boy. I just feel like neither of these teams can pitch and I feel like the pitching is just so much worse than well, the Jays can't pitch with Bowden Francis on the hill. So I'm going to go. I'm going to go the opposite. I'm going to take the over and I'll take the Jays weirdly enough on the money line. And I mean, I'm not super confident, but I mean, to get that juice, I'm okay with it. Yeah. I just think that with the offense, it doesn't matter which slopped officers up there, even if it's a sorry, no offense. Bowden Francis. I don't know how much it's going to matter on the other side of it. So give me the under total of nine runs. You get that at minus 110. That was your wake and rate presented by sports interaction, your home growing sports book 19 plus bet responsibly Olympic games done, dusted from our lives for two more years until the winter Olympics come back, but who better to look back at the games with an Andy Patrilo. She's going to join us next. Also later on in the final hour of the show, the Olympic chatter will continue when Michael Grayne joins us to recap the Olympics from the basketball perspective also, Grayne just sports fans. So let's see what caught his eye as the Olympics came to a close there, a big hour of Olympic talk coming up next fan Morty show continues on sports net five nine to the fan.
