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To your point, Vince, everybody except for Howard Cross has a chance to break out to some degree on the defensive line. Every linebacker has a chance to be some level of a breakout. Every offensive lineman, every quarterback, every running back, every receiver. Mitch 11 is the only way he can really break out as if he stays healthy all year and becomes the best tight end in the country, but he's a preseason second team all-American. What's Xavier Watson, Benjamin Morrison, there is literally nowhere to go from a breakout person. Now, can they both be better players than they were last year, of course, but that's like you went from great to greater, you went from good to great, and that's not a point. As you said, there's different layers to this. When you look at him, when I talk about breakouts, the first guy that comes to mind is always Christian Gray. He's a guy that has a chance to be a big time breakout player because surprisingly, normally a lot of buzz comes around about a player who was a highly ranked recruit. When teams talk about, "Oh, this guy could be the next in line," a lot of times they'll talk about the guy that was a top-hunter player or a lot of big-time schools went after. That's why I'm a little surprised. We haven't seen more national conversation about Christian Gray because this is a kid who was a top-hunter recruit, top-hunter on rivals, top-hunter on on three. He's a guy that they beat Ohio State and LSU to land, and he's a guy that was pretty good last year. Now, I've seen a few people mention it, but not a lot of people have mentioned Christian Gray as opposite Benjamin Morrison. There's plenty of opportunities for Christian to have that breakout season to where I've said it before, Vince, I believe he has a chance to be as good as a sophomore as Benjamin Morrison was as a sophomore. At the very least, he can be as good as Benjamin was as a freshman. That's very good. That's a very good player, but he's got to go do it. I think the best thing to happen to Christian Gray this offseason, the best thing to happen to him was the arrival of Chris Mitchell and Bo Collins. Best thing to happen to him because those are two veteran, savvy players. We saw this in the very first practice, we were at Vince. We're seeing Christian beat with extra something on the top, would bow beat him with a little something extra on the top and Chris beat him with a little something extra on his route at the top. When I mean something extra, I mean speed because Christian can fly. I mean that double, savvy veteran, I'm going to do this head nod to get you to think and then boom. Christian's right there, but he's a second late in the complete pass. He's learning and he's like, dang it, he's getting mad at himself. I'm thinking like, bro, I know you're mad right now, but this is great for you because you're being like, just locking down Rico Flores every snap, or Braylon James guy that I think has a lot of talent, but it's still a very raw route runner and you can match him athlete for athlete. That's not making you better. What's making you better is there's some legitimate older veteran know how to play the position dudes that are battling with you. And that is something where if you're going to win as much as you need to, you're going to have to learn to play the game up here, just as much as you were everywhere else. And that's you want to note the secret sauces to Benjamin Morrison as he's good size. Good length. He's not like elite. He doesn't have like Will Johnson's frame. He's not a four, three, four, four, four, four, flat kind of guy like a Troy Pride. He's a good athlete. He's a very good athlete. You don't have the success he has if you're a mediocre athlete, right? So I'm not saying a bench is not talented. I had him as a top on a player because partly because he's a talented athlete. However, what made Benjamin so unique and special is you could just watch him play and you talk to him, talk to people around him and you see a kid that's got as high of a football IQ as you're going to have his a corner like Benjamin is just Benjamin plays the game as much up here as he does anywhere else. That's what the great corners do. Sure. The great corners like Champ Bailey, like, you know, obviously Deon's greatest corner ever and all. Deon was a great player. But if I could take any corner of my generation and start my team with Champ Bailey, Champ was an elite athlete, man. He ran a four, three something to combine, but Champ was brilliant up here as well. He could play the game upstairs as well as having elite talent. And that's what Benjamin brings at a table is. He is one of the smartest, most focused locked in players you're ever going to find. And that allows him to play at such an elite level. Christian has to learn that part. Christian has to learn because he's just a naturally Benjamin is a naturally quiet, focused locked in kid. Christian is more naturally playful and fun and that's not bad. It's just guys that are like that have to extra kind of learn to focus in. Sure. Yeah, exactly. You got to know when to flip the switch. Right. Right. Like me, I was not the go out and party kind of guy in college. I was like, okay, let's watch them film. And that didn't make me better or worse. It just, it was easier for me. But other guys who cared about being great, but they just, they kind of liked being the life of the party. I don't even like that like a party party. I just mean in the locker room or just saying, you know, it's just, they, they just wanted to kind of enjoy life. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But they had to, they had the best ones had to kind of, you know, you've got to make sure that you're prioritizing your, your title. And it's definitely possible to do that. You can have fun and be the life of the party, but yeah, I've seen it. You've seen it both ways. I've seen it both ways. I mean, you love the kid that's the kid that's lives in the lab, you know, that kind of that's my kid. My kid lives in the lab. He didn't give a crap about all that extra stuff like that's who he is. But then he's got a buddy who is the complete opposite, but he's still really, really good because he can flip the switch and do what he needs to do to be good on the football field at practice and games, et cetera, et cetera. In most young players are like Christian. Yeah. Oh, 100% Benjamin's the rare one. Yeah, right. Benjamin's the kind of different guy, right? Most guys are like teenagers. 100%. And that's kind of what they are. And that's not a criticism, but you've got to learn to not a criticism, but focus in there are times where I wish my kid was more of a teenager. And times, to be honest, but see, he's more like, but that's just who he is. I mean, he's more like kid where it's easier for him to focus than that's just his natural personality. Right. So this isn't a criticism of Christian, it's just an acknowledgement of like a lot of young kids. Yep. He's got to learn to, okay, you know, he was able to get by on just being a better athlete than everybody else a long time. Yeah. Now you've got to learn to be a great athlete and a great competitor, but you also have to learn that there is a, there is a nuance to this position. Receivers by and large take a lot of pride in their craft, the good ones, the ones you're going to have to compete against championships. You have to match that desire to be that guy. Benjamin does that when, and that's why Benjamin's a great role model for Christian. Now the more Christian can do that, the better he's going to be. But that's why I say Vince, having Chris Mitchell and, and Bo Collins there is huge for him because you're, it's all fun and games till you get beat a couple of times. Then you're like, screw this film room, you know, like, right, it's because like, I can't just go out telling everybody now that's locked in, right? And certain things get exposed in where you are in your game when you're playing guys like that. And that's going to be great for Christian. Because it's like always say, Vince, you don't know what you don't know till you, till you find out. You didn't know it. Exactly. And when you're just better than everybody else, like significantly so, and they're not great route runners. You're just going to dominate. I'm ready to dominate and then replace some team in the open with a great receivers coach and veteran players, they know how to get off the press and, and, and manipulate this and that that you haven't seen in practice before. And you don't have an answer for it. Correct. Now that they've got a, he's got a face, Bo Collins and Jaden Thomas and Chris Mitchell every day. And then you've got the speed of KK Smith and the speed of Cam Williams. It's like, dude, and then you got Michael Gilbert at 6, 2, 2, 15, like I got to handle this muscle. Like, like you're getting all the stone at him. It's going to be great for Christian. Right. And, and that's why I honestly think a breakout's coming for him. The talents there, the desire to be great is there. And now he's getting pushed in a way that he's never been pushed before. Now he played some very good players. He's played Ryan Wingo and Aaron Scott and, and, and Jeremiah McClellan, who's signed with Oregon. So he's facing dudes now, but that's diff, facing dudes in high schools, a different animal than facing dudes that are third and fourth year college players. It's a whole different animal and it's going to make Christian a much better player. And that's why I really believe a breakout's coming, Vince. I really do because he's, he's, he is, you can just see his reaction to it. Like, okay, Christian's pissed that he keeps getting beaten. Like, I mean, get beat like he's a second late and they're catching a 12-year comeback. Right. He's not getting torched because that's how good he is. But it's just like, but it's just like, it's nuanced. It's nuanced things that you can adjust and you can fix and, and I liked he didn't like giving up completion. I was like happy that he was pissed because like, okay, that's good. It's not just another rep. I'll get him next time. He was dang it, you know, verbally and visibly up like not happy with himself. I'm like, that's good. Now it wasn't in an unhealthy way where he then starts making mistakes. I'm just like, you know, I'm talking about right now. Yeah, yeah. 100%. So that's why Christian Gray is my easy number one guy when it comes to breakouts. You know, and again, now what the question for him is what level breakout he's going to go from a backup, in my opinion, to a, a good starter. But is it, is it breakout to where now he'd be now next year when we're going into next year, he's the guy getting pre-season all American love. Is it that level of breakout? That's the only question I have. But some, some type of breakout is for Christian race coming. I think it's going to be kind of in between, you know, star and now dependable starter. I think it's going to be somewhere in between there is what I'm predicting. There's one more position and it's not necessarily a player per se. I mean, it is, but it isn't, but it's kind of a position that we think has a potential to be a breakout that we want to talk about. And that is the core or the safety position opposite Xavier Watts. And, you know, whoever kind of takes control of that. And not, I would say this even, even if, for example, if, if a Don Schuler is not the starter, he can still be a breakout player with what he does, given the opportunities that he's going to be given because he's going to play and he's going to play a lot. It just depends on, you know, who is quote unquote starter, who's the rotation guy, but then who's going to be in the game when, you know, the game is on the line and things like that and, you know, that could be either one of these guys and either one of these guys could definitely be a breakout for sure. I think both will actually now that I could, to some degree, I think Rod heard is, you know, a guy that his play is going to start getting a lot more national attention for how good he is now that he's at Notre Dame, right? Like that, that's the thing. So like if the opportunities come to him, kind of like how Kobe Bryant had that breakout in 2022 when he won the, was it 22 or 21 when he won the Jim Thorpe award over at Sauce Gardener. Right. Why did he do that? Because nobody threw it sauce. They were all going at Kobe and those opportunities opened up for Kobe to have a great year and go out and become an all American. You know, now you're in a situation where you have that same situation here at safety where it's kind of like, well, I don't want to throw at the boundary corner because that's Benjamin Morrison. I don't want to throw at the field safety because that's Xavier Watts. That Christian Gray kids pretty good too. Well, Rod heard, here I come, let's see what you got, you know what I mean? And it's like those opportunities are going to be there for him to go out and make some of those plays. So like we say, well, you know, Xavier Watts is going to have as many interceptions. Well, maybe those get taken away, you know, from him and they go to Rod heard. Yeah, right. You know, absolutely being, you know, just basically those are still paying. They're still big. They're still turnovers. They're still opportunities for the defense to make plays, but they're going to be a little bit more spread out. And maybe they do get funneled to the field or mean to excuse me to the boundary safety man. The guy that I think has the best chance for a breakout though, just because of where he's starting from, is Adon Schuller. Right. Absolutely. And Christian's my number one breakout player, like definite breakout player, Adon would be next on my list. I'm confident there's going to be a breakout there because he didn't, he was, he didn't play last year. He played, the only game he ever played a meaningful snap at Notre Dame on defense was the bowl game. That's it. He did nothing. He took a red shirt last year. He came off the bench in like four mop-up games and got his red shirt. So I think he's going to be, if not a starter this year, a, a, like he's going to be that new Ramon Henderson guy, you know, where he's that number three safety. And when you're crazy that he's only got freshman eligibility Brian because you see him walk in the room. He looks like a, you know, is that the new GA with his, you know, cause he's, he's one of those guys that likes to tuck the jersey underneath, you know, and show off the absence. Like, I don't like that because I've never looked like that, like if I look like that, I might be like, you know what, I might just do that in the show today. Pull my shirt up, let y'all see, you know what I mean? Like, right. He looked like that. I might actually do that, but I mean, he's got something to show off. I'll just put it that way. So I mean, he does not look like a guy with freshman eligibility. I mean, he, he, he's the get off the bus guy. You know what I mean? Like he's the, he fits the part, he looks the part. And again, and we've talked about this a bunch and so I'm not going to completely go down that road. But the fact that he got all the first team reps in the spring was huge for him. I think that was absolutely massive, you know, because he understands what it's like to play next to Xavier Watts. He got to learn. He got to be on the field with the ones. I mean, he was the number one boundary safety all through spring. And so now he's doing a little bit of share time and he's working with the twos or he's getting some rest of the ones. But that time was invaluable, I think, to his development at this stage in his career. And the fact that he is basically in his first year of eligibility now in the fall, I mean, he is going to be so good when it's all said and done as long as he stays on the trajectory that we think he's going to be, we're going to look back or we'll be like, man, that spring was super important. Oh, huge. I mean, huge. Yeah. I mean, you just see in how he conducts himself every day. He's out there chirping at people. And I mean, chirping, I mean, I shouldn't say that because that sounds like I'm talking about him trash talking. I'm talking about talking to teammates and communicating it and redirecting. He's going to be a good player. I mean, look, Ramon Henderson is the number three safety last year and I can assure you the Notre Dame coaching staff did not have a ton of confidence in Ramon Henderson last year. They didn't. And they didn't play him as much as even the year before, because like the year before, DJ Brown played 505 snaps. And next was Brandon Joseph at 431 Xavier played 366 Ramon played 319 and huge terrific played 304. They had five guys in 2023 that played at safety and those were all safe. They weren't like one of those guys. They were like, yeah. They were like, what are they doing? They played three that played at safety and those were all safe. They weren't like one of those guys is a nickel that played over 300 snaps last year. They had two, they had three and one of them barely was over 300 snaps. And that was Ramon Henderson. The next highest safety was Clarence Lewis was listed as a safety. He played nickel. Right. So you had 708 snaps by, by Xavier, 595 from DJ, 304 from Ramon. After that, you had Antonio Carter had 72, a Don Stuller had 52, Ben Minic had 15. Like that was, that was your safety rotation last year. Like that was it because you just didn't have any faith that beyond the starters, you just didn't have Ramon was simply put him out there to spell the other guys and then get him out as quick as you can, right, you know, because, because your number three safety last year in snaps would have ranked tied for fifth in 2022 because they had more faith than those guys. He had Xavier and they had more faith than Ramon. He had 319 snaps as part of a five man rotation that year and he was a better player. He regressed last year. I think with, with a Don and you could even maybe throw Luke Taloch into this conversation because he's another guy that didn't play at all last year now is going to probably play a decent amount, probably play a couple hundred snaps. So they're going to be breakouts in that regard, but I think a Don has a chance to be even more than just like Luke Taloch to me is going to go from a dude that never played on defense to a solid part of the rotation. Like that's what I think Luke's going to do. That's technically a breakout section. A Don is going to go from a dude that never played to a guy that you're like, well, he's a football player and he's ready to go and play a lot of snaps. I think Luke might still be a year away from that potentially. I'm hoping that I'm wrong on that. We'll see how he is going to be in the fall camp, but Luke's in a position where I think he's earned enough confidence to play as a guy that comes off the bench and gives you a couple hundred snaps. That's a good breakout. Yeah. Don, I think takes it even further. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And, and as a guy that's going to, you know, not have as many snaps as maybe Rod and Xavier, but it'll look more like it did two years ago than it did last year because of his presence. And that's going to be a big difference. It's going to be massive. And I think this team, I don't want to say they need both of these guys to break out, but man, if they do, this secondary is on its way to being elite. I mean, that's because you're, that is a position where they will automatically get an upgrade. And so, you know, if they were elite last year and you upgrade one of the positions and everybody else just plays the same, then I like where Notre Dame's chances are again. There's the whole cam hard argument that we just had and I get all of that. But if you can upgrade the safety position, which I think they've done and both of these guys break out and now you've got a nice three man rotation where you're not nervous about putting any one of these three guys on the field. I like it. And I think there may be, may even be times in certain packages where all three of them could be on the field at the same time. I mean, you could, you could see that depending on the offense that they're playing and, and things of that nature. So, you know, the bottom line is I love what they did in the portal and I love what they're doing with a Don Schuler in this regard, you know, at safety and at nickel for that matter. But I just, I'm very excited to watch these guys play specifically a Don Schuler just because he's the home grown so to speak guy and I really enjoyed watching him in the spring as well. So he's going to be fun to watch in the fall. So that's going to do it for our, because we, we, we, I do want to mention the freshmen here. Oh, I'm sorry. I could play. That's okay. Because we're not going to spend a lot of time on it because where Notre Dame is right now with their returning depth in the two, because of the arrival of transfers, right now they don't need a freshman to play. Right. There's two guys though that I'm going to keep my eye on to see how they continue to progress that could help this football team. That is learned more who so far from what I'm told is having a really good fall camp. I think he's battling Chance Tucker for that number four corner spot. And you're an injury away from, if you're the number four corner, that means you're an injury away from being the number three corner, right? And potentially starting depending on how they want to handle certain things, depending on, you know, like let's say Benjamin Morrison is out for the Northern Illinois game. Well, do you really want to have Christian Gray go over there and take away reps at field or do you say, Hey, look, Leonard's a good football player. He can help us beat Northern Illinois and then we get Ben's back next week kind of thing. That's going to be a question mark. How well he plays is going to tell us a lot because, you know, he was, he was a guy that was in my, my intel piece for the summer intel piece about what the staff rate people raved about what Leonard Moore has done and that wasn't the first time. That was one of the first bits of intel I got all summer was somebody called me and was like, dude, this cat Leonard Moore's way better than we thought he was going to, like, and they liked him a lot, but like he's even better than that. And then of course he's, he's done well so far in fall camp. Now he's thin and skinny and he's got to get a lot stronger and all that kind of stuff, but he's a very talented football player. It wouldn't shock me if Leonard Moore forces his way into the rotation at some point time this year would not shock me. And from what I'm told, he's part of the reason Notre Dame decided not to go to the portal this summer for a corner, for a corner. They looked at several corners and we're close to getting a couple, but they kind of backed out and they just decide, look, we got these young kids, let's go, let's go coach them up. Right. You got this town to kid, go coach them up. And instead of trying to bring a transfer in who's going to be your third or fourth guy. And that's the direction they're going. And of course, Bronte Johnson is really far away right now as of today, August 7th. But Vince, man, you saw him at practice, he is long and fast. And whenever that light goes on for Bronte, he's got a chance to be pretty good football player, whether that's next week, next month, next season, two years. I don't know when that's going to be, but when a kid is six, two and runs and moves like Bronte Johnson, I don't know how far behind he might be right now. He's worth mentioning. Right. Because you can't teach that talent, man. You can't teach six, two, that runs like that and moves like that, you can't, you can't. And so he's another guy that I think is worth mentioning. And then special teams wise, again, I think they'd like to red shirt Kennedy or lacquer. They just might not be able to. I just have a feeling Kennedy is going to be one of those guys that you just kind of pound the table on to say, hey, look, you just we got to figure out a way to get this guy on our special teams. Maybe that's not this year. Maybe they want to put some distance between him and the, the, the safety class that's ahead of them. Because remember last year Vince, all the safety is red shirted last year. So if Kennedy plays this year, he's got the same eligibility as Luke, talented Don Schuler and Benedict. Good boy. They may just decide we want to separate him a little bit from them. That could be it. But I think there's at least going to be a conversation at some point in time this year. Do we burn the red shirt because he's got to be a starter for us on special teams? I think that's where he's at. I think table on Betty Powell's kid is probably a year, a year away from being in that conversation on special teams. Definitely not in position to really help you right now and same with Carson Hobbs. Right now they're both, they're, they're, to me, right now they're both probably take a year, preserve a year gets bigger, stronger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's where I'm at. Makes a lot of sense. And so that that is going to do it for our chat on the defensive backfield at Notre Dame going into the 24 season. Thanks for hanging out with us. We've got more to come. So stay tuned. But in the meantime, make sure you like, subscribe, hit that notification bell, share with your family and friends. And of course, get on the boards, boards on Irish Breakdown.com for all of your Intel needs because that's where it's at. So get there and have some fun with it. There's a nice family atmosphere over there. And I've heard it many times about the boards at Irish Breakdown are it's a family oriented board. It's not the squabbling, fighting nonsense. No, there's some people trying to be like that right now and they're getting dealt with. Yeah, exactly. It's just people getting ready for the season and there's the point, you know, and just remember two folks that are longtime members, we have new people signing up for the board. And it's not their job to go read 20 pages of posts to make sure that they're not asking a question that has already been asked. So when people ask questions, show some grace and if people to ask a question that you don't like or you don't think they should bring up, then ignore it. It's your job to tell people they can or can't post certain things. It's my job to do that. And so just remember that always the time of year, you always have a lot of new people signing up. So show some grace and show some hospitality because we had a new person sign up the other day and he was not treated with that kind of grace. And I was disappointed in the board, but I rarely am. It is a great board. It's just the last couple of days there's been some last couple of weeks, there's been a couple of cranky people in there that just feel the need that they just, you know, and it's just like, no, we're not going to be that way. Come on now. I'm not going to be that way. Come on now. We're better than that. We're better as a group. We are. Let's go. Let's go. So come on down. Like I'm, you won't be disappointed, promise. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. (upbeat music)
