The following podcast is a dear media production. A lot of things are deemed, quote unquote, millennial by Gen Z when it's just not cool anymore. Make sure me first day of school walk in, I was like, ooh, look at my hair. That's really cute though. This, I am so sorry, I imagine it, I named my son, Remy Cruz person. Hey guys, what's up, welcome back to Pretty Basic, I am Remy Cruz. And I am Alisha Marie. Alisha Marie. Alisha Marie. You look so cute in ballet core today. Thank you. I saw these shoes, here's the thing, the Instagram ads get me. Yep, same. You know how you can turn off how it tracks. So you get tailored ads? No. You can. Okay. I did not know this. I should. I've purposely said no, because I feel like I find such cute things from Instagram ads. Yeah, I agree with that. Like these little ballet shoes, because obviously, you know, ballerina chic ballet core is in. Obviously like the Mew Mew ones are iconic, but I'm sorry, I cannot justify spending so much money on such a trendy item that I don't even know if I really like. They're really cute. These are really cute. The audio listeners, they're like little pink ballet flats with a little heel and like straps. They literally look like my ballet shoes that I wore as a kid. It also came with lace to like lace up. So cute. I know. It was really cute. I did already scuff it though, do you see? You know, oh, that's okay. We have shot wipes in the back. You're so right. I used to love a ballet flat in middle school. I remember I wore them with my uniform like every single day. And then there was a time where I realized they look horrible on me and you could have not paid me to wear a ballet flat. And did I just buy a black pair and a white pair the other day? Yes. And I think they're cute again. This is actually a good topic because the trends that are happening now are trends that we've already experienced like ballet flats. I also was in middle school wearing no socks and had ballet flats and gas feet. The way oh, like it's a universe that I'm shocked that I even got these because I'm still scarred from me wearing my pay less ballet flats. Love to pay less. I would wear those to the ground. You never wore socks because you couldn't. Finally, they came out with the little pets one. Yeah. But those don't do shit no matter what. You know what I mean? They're great socks, but we're a smelly teenager like ranted. You know what? What is it about this like ballet flats being the most rank shoe of them all? Well, I think it's because you sweat there's like no fabric like it's just there's no way for the the smells to breathe. Yeah. There's no holes. Yeah. There's something about a ballet flat that is just a smell one back then. Trends lasted longer. So you would wear the same trend like you were the same shoes all year. That's so true. Yep. Versus now I feel like, you know, I won't wear these shoes every single day. So maybe they get time to air out like maybe that's the thing I don't know my feet. I don't know why I'm exposing this, but like my feet used to smell so bad like wearing my shoes all day at school coming home. I'd have to buy those like sprays. Did you have a spray where you like sh and it would just spray like to deodorize it inside of your shoe nasty, but also I'm like, is that just like? Maybe it's puberty, puberty, puberty, you're running, you're sweating, you're trying to make it to class. Yeah. Maybe it is that. And yeah, you're wearing them all day. Oh my God. So going to the fact that trends are coming back like ballet flats, ballet flats. I mean, I think even the the word core, calling it ballet core, calling it cottage core. The word core, I believe one would distinguish now as millennial, right? Millennial core, if you will, you know, I don't know about millennial, but I do like now it's coded, you know, something coded all so millennial now. I feel like coded is more gensy. Okay. I have a little discussion with you guys today because when we were in Asia, we were taking obviously filming everything that we did, all the content, all the TikToks, and Alicia started to get some comments on her TikToks about me and my sock usage. Oh, and you were like, why are people saying that? People were like, Remy, not the socks, Remy, the ankle socks, really. And I was like, Oh my God, did I do something wrong? And I was not aware that I guess ankle socks are now quote unquote millennial. Well, and also most of our demo here is, I want to say millennial or younger or you know, on the cusp kind of of gensy, it's just such a funny discussion, like you said, because I distinctly remember when if you had high socks, you were, I'm going to say a nerd for lack of a better word, but it was like not cool to wear high socks. You only wore as a millennial when we were yes, yes, yes, you only wore ankle socks. Yes. Now, do I think those are a little more flattering on my legs? Yes. Yes. Because they elongate. Yes. But now people are saying you can tell who's millennial or who's gen Z based off of their socks because gen Z only wears like crew socks or higher socks. I just have to say, someone with short chunky legs, if I wear a crew sock with a skirt or a shorts or something, it only emphasizes the thickness of my caps. Like that's in the thickness of my thighs. And that's fine. I just personally don't want to emphasize that. And that's the funny thing because it's like, I'm not saying any of these trends by themselves are wrong. It's just when you've lived through it and you're like, wait, there's a, we know the reason why we left the original one, but for it to come back around and be the opposite of the trend. Yes. It is very weird. Also, a lot of things are deemed quote unquote millennial by Gen Z when it's just not cool anymore. Like the millennial is not cool. I truly mean this when I say this. I think the only reason why Gen Z doesn't roast millennials even harder is because Taylor Swift herself is a millennial. That's what you said. I think, I think that she gets a lot of flack for being the millennial chuggy queen, which I know now even saying chuggy is millennial. It's like anything like coded to me is Gen Z, but like as soon as it's not cool to say anymore, it's like so millennial. Well, no, yes, because by the time it trickles down to millennials, then people like, wait, we don't say that anymore. Similar to like fashion trends. Like I feel like fashion trends in like New York or LA, like they'll start. But then by the time like a trend hits like the Midwest, we're like, oh my God, we did that last year. Music, yeah, yeah, yeah, like whatever the case is. So I don't know. It's just it's really interesting seeing how short trends are now and how quick it's like no, that's out of date. We're again, when we grew up back in our millennial days back in our millennial days and I was born in 93. You were born in 95. So I will say I was always the younger of the millennial. You were really on the cusp. I was still younger. Millennial. And here's the thing. I identify more as a millennial than a Gen Z for sure. Yeah. I do not have any Gen Z qualities, but the the age range millennials also known as Generation Y are people born between 1981 and 1996. And I'm 95. So I am millennial, but and I definitely identify like 98% with millennials for sure. But I will say too, because of our jobs, we're so aware of like newer trends and like just what's popular. Mm hmm. Like if I told Ashley, I should tell her the sock thing. She would be gagged. Really? She's not aware of that. You know what I mean? I mean, she still. I wasn't either. Well, you know what? You're right. I don't know. It's so weird. Do you remember the first thing that you felt called on? It was maybe it was a socks. Do you remember the first thing you felt called out on was chuggy? I never liked the word chuggy. I love it. I like it just sounds I don't know. I don't love the words. I feel like I didn't say it that much. I, I heard it and I was like, Oh my God, I am that. You know what's funny is I understood like with chuggy, I remember being like, yes, live laugh, love on the wall, like that Pinterest era, Bath and the Body Works candles, just like that, like those things. I don't know. I distinctly remember being like, ah, that I know what they're talking about. The first time I felt read to filth was the millennial pause that, which I'm so glad I saw a TikTok that was like, no, it makes sense because we grew up where you didn't know if it was going. Yeah. It's so cheap. You didn't know. We were like, Oh, is this recording? I have to check. I have to look in the viewfinder. Check if it's something's recording versus now, like kids are so used to, they understand what a video camera is. You know what? It shows that they didn't steal their family, um, like home video camcorder from their parents and how to figure it out for themselves. That for sure. It just perplexes me how for some reason specifically, Erica Titus to me is like, Gen Z, like that is the epitome of Gen Z of my brain. And like standing there and making TikToks with her before, like there is no pause. Like she just like as soon as she like she's almost talking before it goes and it's like so perfect every time. And I just don't understand. Like I start talking when I see the ring going around, which then creates the pause. Well, you don't want it to be cut off. Exactly. But how do they do it perfectly every time that? And then I feel like they like fix themselves and like fix their hair or whatever before hitting recording fully where or they don't at all. Maybe I'm just used to the YouTube world. I like record on my vlog camera, like fix whatever. And then I start talking. So I just like, I see me doing the millennial pause and I'm like, Oh, we got to cut that. TikTok for real is like what really just emphasized my lack of skills and my millennial pause for sure. We have a list of things here. Shall we go through and see if these are a list of quote unquote millennial things and we can have a discussion about them. First off was millennial pause. I identify with the millennial pause. I do too. Distressed jeans. I fucking love my distressed jeans. Okay. I love them. They have always and will always hate distressed jeans. See, I will say, if they were skinny jeans with rips, I'm picturing my 2016 top shop era. Mm. That to me is very outdated. Yeah. But I don't know. Like if it fits the vibe, I love it. Like a baggy distress. I've never, just never ever, even when they were popular and got really into the distressed jeans. But I think it's because you really have to like your shirt has to match it. You can't wear like a floral top and distressed jeans. I mean, you can, but it just doesn't super match. And as someone who has like a girlier style or who did, at one point, I feel like I would never wear distressed jeans because I didn't have a shirt to match. Mm. Interesting. But that was just my thought process. I always just felt like distressed or the wash like really like contours the jeans. So I always hated a flat wash on jeans. Really? I felt like it wasn't as flattering for me. I hate those specific forever 21 jeans that had the rips at the kneecaps. I smell it. No, this would be in 2016. I hate that like top shop era with the skinny jeans. Hate it. I hated skinny jeans. Even when they, that was the only thing you could have at the time. I don't hate them. I mean, I wouldn't wear them right now. Oh, no, I have a few pairs because here's my question. What do you do if you want to wear jeans and like tuck them into boots? See, I think I never really like that on me. Okay. So I think for me, I'd rather wear like a skirt or something like that. But I understand like I, oh my God, I always was like, so Gen Z like, I'm so curious for people who like shit on a side part, right, which I'm sure is on the list somewhere and only talked about middle part, middle part, middle part. And now it's like, oh, well, now that you're, because the thing is, is most of those people haven't experienced when trends change, you know, because we experienced middle part when we were growing up and then it turned to side part and side part was like, Oh my God, how have we never done this before? This is so much better. And then it went back to middle part. So obviously side parts going to come back again. Yeah. And I made a TikTok. I was like, I'm just curious. Like there's no right or wrong answer. If you're Gen Z, how does it feel now that like things have changed? You know, like the side parts are coming back. Like, um, I saw Emma Chamberlain have one in a shoe. It looked so fucking good. Kylie Jenner had one. It looked so good. And I was just like, oh, like there's a time and place. Like it looks so good. What was the response? Oh my God. Well, I feel like I got the nice people being like, I think whatever suits you, you should do. But I was like, no, but there were people being like, ew, you fucking millennials and your side parts. And I'm like, bitch, just wait till you have a side part because you will or your kid has a side part and is like making funny or middle part. Like that's literally the funny thing about trends and like growing up. It's just the trend cycle. Like even when Juicy Couture came back at one point, like Juicy was the biggest thing ever. Then it wasn't cool. And then like they had this huge comeback. Like my favorite thing too is when, and look, I've, I've done this too in my life. Okay. So like we'll just say that. So like I'm roasting myself. My favorite thing though is when I come across TikToks of people like thinking they found this trend. Like they're like, oh my God, you guys, I found this niche like trend that like, or like it's not even a trend. It's like, I like having my bangs to the side and so like, or whatever the case is. And I'm like, LOL, like you think you invented baggy jeans and you didn't like we grew up with like, do you remember the crazy bell bottoms and like the super, super, super baggy jeans? Yeah. But also like those are from like the 70s. Like it all, it's just, it's nothing new is all recycled and comes back and back and back. So like also, I think a lot, there are things that I have now or things that I have had that I need to hold on to for like 20 years from now or like for my past down or I can keep them. Like my Dunian Burke purse from when I was a kid, I had that my parents have still and I remember at one point, it's like, ew, you don't wear that anymore. And now would be so like the Y2K that obviously came back that was so huge. Boom. Right there. Also, for going off of that, like, I mean, 10 years ago was 2014 and 2014, I just think of the DIY studded shorts. I did you just see wildflower came out with their case again? Yes. I think of like the tie-dye shorts that were so popular. Yes. Yes. Yes. Like those I remember, I remember thinking once we were out of that phase, like, wow, I'm glad that'll never come back because it was very like dated. You know what I mean? That's also like, we don't need to bring that one back. Like full throttle. You know what it is for me? Bubble necklaces. Those can stay. Those can stay. Peplum tops, honestly. I was watching. I don't need. The episode of Vanderpumpable's Forever Go When Stossy Was Still On It. And she had her like necklace line and they were all statement necklaces and then her confessional. She's like, I just like statement necklaces are like my thing. So I just want to. And I was like, hello. Like I, so have the time. It just brings me back to a very specific time in my life. Arm candy. And here's the thing. Well, catch me in a year wearing a fucking bubble necklace and being like, oh my God, I'm loving that. Like I will do that. I'm, I get it. I'm aware. I get it. I'm that person. I feel that too. Some trends that you remember growing up that you never adhered to, I was thinking feather extensions. Oh my God. I always wanted a feather extension, but I would always instead, I wore a feather earring and I purposely would wear one. So it looked like, would your mom have let you got one if you want one, one and one? I think I was old enough to like get one, but I was just like, it's so permanent. Like so permanent with one bead. Like in my head, it was like a bigger D. I don't know. I feel like then I didn't change my hair often or anything. Like I didn't see it as an accessory. I saw it as like, Oh, this will be in my hair forever. You know what I mean? Yeah. Or even when I would get my hair cut or like dyed or colored, it wasn't like, Oh, I'll do this for a few months until like change it. It was, this is forever more. That makes so much sense as the adult we are right now. I remember just always, I've always my whole life been behind on trends, like always, even with the feather extensions. I remember being like, everyone had them at school and I was like, how do people find out about this? And where are they getting them? I didn't understand. And I feel like that's me as an adult too, where like, I'll either be like, I don't need it. And then finally, like three weeks, not three weeks, like three months later when it's like almost done, I'm like, okay, fine, I'll try it. It's my, it's my inner Aquarius. But there were like so many trends growing up that I wanted to participate in a perm. Oh, you didn't. I never had a perm. I remember a lot of my friends had one and I wanted, like curly, curly, like wait, like curly. They were getting curly. Yeah. So it was very like 90s. So I feel like when I was in elementary school, a lot of the older girls had it. Really? And I remember being like, I want a perm. Thank God. I didn't talk about permanent. I told you truly, I told you about the story how Mike, I got a perm when I was a kid, but I didn't get a curly perm. I got a wavy Korean perm. And my mom was like, you should get when I was in middle school. And I had already chopped my hair because my hair was like getting really done. So we shopped it pretty short. And then on top of that, she was like, let's get a perm. So not only did I chop it and it was already short, getting the perm obviously makes your hair curly, which makes it shorter. And I left the salon in like, I've never felt worse about myself. I just felt and you're already like going through a lot in middle school. So ugly. I was just like so upset. And I remember it was raining outside though. And so I ran, I was, my mom drove me to Kaylee's house and I was crying and I remember running through the rain. But as we know from legally blonde, rain or water will disrupt the perm. So luckily it all came out, you purposely wanted to know, I just, I didn't know what was happening. I just, I on accident, I ruined it and I honestly blessing in disguise. I did get that perm. Wow. I also, what's about middle school, so sad, so sad. I chopped my hair before seventh grade and like Bob, like, like bull cut. Well, here's the thing. It was like, it was Bob. It was very, very, very, very short. And I had cut my hair, you know, you'd let it grow out and then you chop it. Like I had short hair a lot growing up. But tell me why, like, I wanted to be Josie from Josie in the pussy hats. Obviously she plays guitar. She's in a girl band. So cute. The leopard, pink leopard. Oh my God. I like wanted to be her. So I chopped my hair, not thinking about, like you said, when you curl it or when you do it, it gets shorter and she has super flipped out hair. Yeah. So I spent probably a solid hour, the first day of school of seventh grade, putting hairspray and gel in my hair to flip it out. It was a helmet. Was it like smoking to put gel and then straighten on top of that and they're straighten? I just like, the way that I kept being like, it's not curly enough. Like, how do I, I didn't know how to do hair? So like, I remember going into school and like now looking bad. I mean, damn, she had confidence. Let me tell you. Cute. Yeah. I walked into school like, whoa, look at my new hair. And I just remember people being like, oh, I like your hair. Like it was so obviously different. So people are going to compliment you, even though they don't think it looks good. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like it really did. I don't think so. I don't think they were just like being nice. They were just like, oh, like, oh, I like your hair. You know? And I was like, oh, my God. Thanks. It's like, it's like, crunchy. Yeah. It's like Tom Hulu. No. Literally Remy. So I'm like working. I'm like, yeah, this is so good. And then I remember my, my, my seventh grade, we got our school photos done. And Oh, do you have the hair? I have the hair. Memorialized forever. Good. It's memorialized. And when I tell you, like, even when I was a senior, other classmates would joke about my seventh grade photo, they were like, people would talk about like bad photos. And then they'd be like, but have you seen Alicia's seventh grade photo? And was that bad? By that time, I thought it was funny because I agree. You know, when you would go, my God, core memory, tell you was bad. You know what? There were times she'd like, try to tell me things, but I'm like, here, my sister, I'm not listening to you. I think this is a moment that I feel bad for kids if they haven't experienced this. And now that everything's online, I'm assuming, like, do they even do physical yearbook photo, like a school photos? I would hope so. Can someone confirm in the comments, please? Because when they came around to your class and was like, oh, we have your photos and then they would pass them out. Did you ever have that? No. Really? Or how do you just, you don't have to go pick up the envelope and your photos were in there. Oh, maybe a small school. They would, the teacher would pass them out once they got them. Oh my God. So they would always be faced down. Thank God. And like, you take a breath and you're like, this is my moment, did, like, I hope it turned out okay. Not the merit or what is it America's next top model. Literally, like, you have four frames, you know what I mean? Oh my God. Did they choose a good one? Yeah. And then you'd flip it over. I'm not getting every single time. Oh my God. I got humbled so quick. I'd be like, oh, like so bad. So bad. Would they allow redo's? Um, I think if you like missed, but also would be like, come redo it. Yeah, but I, I feel like, especially because it just costs more money, like my mom didn't even want to pay for the retouching on shit. She was just like, oh, like, get whatever. Like, I'm not paying $150 for these photos that like you're not, you're half blinking in. Is life touch still a thing? Life touch was it? Yeah. Are they still around? I would pray that they have a forever catalog of everyone's photos. So I can like find that. I've actually driven by the headquarters. It's in Minnesota. Okay. One iconic. We need to go. I bet all the photos are somewhere. I feel like after 10 years, they get rid of it, right? I mean, if they're doing like everybody's, and they've got to be somewhere. I have to be. I have one photo that's in black and white, but in my head, I see the color. I need to like colorize it or something. It was so bad. So the universal feeling that maybe it's a good thing kids don't experience it if it's all online or whatever. When people would be like, let me see your photos. I will say, I think it comes with like, it's pros and cons though. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like, then everyone's like, oh, let me see. And then, you know, you're kind of like, oh, no, it's fine. And then someone of course looks great. One time, Alicia did a video before we were friends, before we were close, and you had people react to your old photos. And I've been begging for her to do another one because now I would be able to be in the video. Now I was supposed to be in the video and I would love to react. I'm going to send it to you. Okay. Here we go. Oh, it's not that bad. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. Say, that's my face. It's not that bad. The hair is, you did it sounded worse than you described. It really did. It's not that bad. This is black and white. It's actually next to you. Yep. What is next to each other? McDonald. You guys didn't separate by grades? No, because we had literally no one went to our school. Oh my God. It was so small. That's really not that bad. Remi. It's not. Remi. The hair is not that bad. Look at my... You need to see the photo. The face is different. Look at all my acne. The hair. She was going through it. Yeah. That was my smile. It's a smile. It's a smile. So many people were like, you weren't ready. And I was like, no, I was. You... Like, you don't... It's not that bad. I was like, you would never think that's me. But people made fun of that for years. Like, it's not that bad. No, they weren't... It was like my friends being like, oh... You look cute. I look like a toe. You just look like a boy. I do. You look just like a little boy. Like, the black and white makes my hair look so dark. When I have a light brown hair, because that's how much gel I had in my hair. It's really like, it's not that bad. I promise you. I don't know, dude. Everybody has a bad seventh grade photo. And I'm not... I'm trying... I'm not lying. It's not that bad, right? Elorsa, it's bad. It's definitely like, it's not great, but it's not... You... You made it sound like it was the worst photo ever. I don't know. That's pretty damn bad. Really? If someone's life depended on it, I don't think they would think that's me. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean... I just... I just think, like, everybody, like, no one looked good in seventh grade except for the girl above you. Like, no one looked good in seventh grade. So I'm like, everyone needs their bad seventh grade photo. No, I agree. The thing is, is the kids... Now, don't have them. Also, it's not fair because Ash is three years older than you, so, like, she's not in that awkward stage anymore. I bet the girl above you is also out of her awkward stage. Ashley's definitely in the awkward stage. Like, it's not as bad. 'Cause you're awkward stage. Well, yeah. 'Cause again, seventh grade. I'm sure hers from three years ago was all so bad. We need to see all the seventh graders laid out together. I'm just... Okay, I'll show you. I'll find a class photo. Of course, my friends were, like, freaking so pretty and, like, natural and whatever. And I'm sitting there, like... I'm telling you, I don't think the hair is that bad. I think the face is not the best. The face is so bad. The fact that I literally was like, "Oh, my God. My photos are coming up." I'm like, "So bad. I spent so much time getting ready." And then I flip it over and I see that. It's okay, you can make fun of, really, it's funny. No, I would make fun if there's something to make fun of. I think we all have awkward middle school photos. I think your hair doesn't look as bad as you explained. Okay. Space card? Space card? Does decline. Decline. Decline. It's fine because I truly, like, you get humbled at an early age. Also, if you are gorgeous and... If you peak in middle school, if you peak in high school with the looks, like, no one wants that. No, right. Like, we all collectively need to be ugly in middle school, you know, through high school. And then it leaves room to grow. No, like, my biggest flux is that I just keep having glowups. Because when you start at the fucking bottom, it can only get better. It leaves you room to be hot. In college. And after. You don't think I was hot then? In seventh grade? In that photo. Um... Picture me, first day of school, walking in, I was like, "Ooh, look at my hair!" That's really cute, though. No, it's cute because it's funny because, again, we had those awkward years. Now Gen Z doesn't because they're watching tutorials and wearing drunk elephant and YSL lip gloss. No, it's crazy that they just get over. Like, they don't have this. Not that I never want anyone to be confident, but like, I'm great. For those years for me. I want to hug you. No, like, I wish I could hug this poor thing. Poor thing. And I'd wear the same sweatshirt, the same blue Hurley sweatshirt every day. I think what makes it, like, sadder and cuter is you being, like, really excited. Like, that's what's so sad. Until I was, like, sad. I did. You know what? I did get my braces off soon after that. So that was another. See, glowup. That's what I'm saying. Mm-hmm. There were some things that were said to me in middle school that, like, stuck with me forever. Well, I wouldn't want that to ever happen to me again. It made me stronger. What doesn't kill you makes me stronger? It does. It built character and I feel like it prepped me for a lot of shit that I endured later on in life. Like, I think it's, you kind of need that time and you need parents that are going to, you know, make you feel beautiful. So, like, do you let your kid have an awkward stage? Yeah. But, like, now they don't have them. I would never want my daughter or son to feel less than. Yeah. But what is creating these kids to not have awkward stages is, like, is, like, makeup earlier on? Is it just knowing makeup application? I think it's, like, social media and tutorials and watching other girls their age who look, um, it was hard enough when there was, like, a girl who was really pretty in your class who all the guys liked, let alone if she was, like, full beat face and, like, a certain way and wearing a push-up bra on all this shit, like, I could only imagine being, like, "Oh, well, that's what I have to do to look even more." Yeah. You know what I mean? Keep up with the beauty standard of the middle school. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I guess it just depends when you get there because, I mean, when we were growing up, it's, like, you know, you couldn't have a phone till this time, you couldn't have wear makeup till this time. Like, it just depends on your parenting style. Yeah. But I also don't want my kid, like, out of the looping, the only one who, like, doesn't have social media or something. 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I remember being the youngest, which I know you weren't, so you don't relate to this. But Ashley had to wait until she was a freshman in high school to get a phone where I got one in eighth grade because I was doing cheer and I convinced my parents, "Well, I'm going to be going to a lot of away games," and it was cheaper for the family plan, just like at it sooner or whatever. Yeah. Like, it was an easier thing. Yeah. Because I had a phone earlier and I remember feeling so cool because I had a phone. I thought you were going to say, "I remember feeling so bad for Ashley." No. I was like, "This thing lights up at my Nokia." Love it. I think I was obviously the ash and I'm sure ash is really upset because I had the exact same stuff happen to me in Shane. And I don't know. It's easier said than done. When I have kids, obviously it's going to be, I'll have to figure that out with Cal, but I will take on parenting with my oldest kid in mind knowing what I went through and Cal has also an older sibling. So we both are aware of feeling left out and feeling like things aren't fair and feeling like the guinea pig. So I think we're going to really parent with that in mind. I love that. So I think, and what I've said for a long time and granted, again, when I have more than one kid, if I ever have more than one kid, maybe my thoughts will change, but I want to try and make it as fair so that the older kid doesn't feel what I went through. Granted, at the end of the day, it's not that big of a deal, but when you're young, it feels like the end of the world. It really does. I was like, wait, that's not fair. I had to do this. I had to do this. I had to do these things. For sure. I remember growing up with so many groups of sisters and by the time it got to the second third, fourth, fifth, I had friends that were like six sisters in a family. And the older siblings always couldn't wear makeup till you're 16, and then by the youngest one, they're like, literally, go ahead, she was like seven, they're like, we don't care. I get that it's different, you kind of just go with the flow, but I'm going to try and keep it in mind. Yeah. Oh my God. So yeah, it makes me wonder when I would let my kids have social media. I see so many conversations about that. I think, I don't know, but having mom friends, I'm sure also will really help. What are you doing? You know? It's just weird that we're in there. Scary girl. It's scary. I know. Okay, back to millennial things. Booties. I always hated a booty. Yeah. Booties. Not boots, booties. I loved booty. I could see you. I could see you rocking a booty. I still wear booty sometimes, but it has to be like the right booty. I had these ones from Steve Madden that I wore this shit out of. She's a minor Steve Madden. They were, I wore them to iMacs. I love. Were they suede? No, they were like leather and like, they, like, I can love heels. Oh my God, I love them. Got healed. A little heel. Not too big. Not a little heel. Using the laughing emoji is not out. I knew that. Like, laughing, crying. Like, yeah, the laughing. It's something funny. You're supposed to not put that and you're supposed to just put the crying emoji. But, like, that's sad. I'm laughing happy, but like, no, I'm laughing, like, I don't know why I did that. No, I'm laughing. Yeah, that's a, that's a thing, which I think is crazy because, I don't know, also, I saw that one of the new Apple updates soon. They're just going to use AI for emojis so you can literally come up with whatever. Like, you can just type in what emoji you want and AI will make that emoji versus like them dropping new ones all the time. That's... Yeah, I saw that during their, it was like, during their keynote, I saw it on TikTok. I don't know how I feel about that. Oh, I'm sure they're going to have, like, certain things not available. Okay. Remember when everyone wanted a white heart? Like, instead you could just type, like, white heart emoji or black heart emoji. Okay, there's going to be limitations. I'm sure, but I thought that was crazy because even emojis, one day someone, like, our kids are going to be like, oh my God, emojis, that's so... How am I supposed to depict how I feel? Right. No, I'm here for emojis. Oh my God, the posing of one hand up or, like, the teacup posing, like, hand on hip. You know what really got me? I was watching. This... I have to show you what's honestly so cute. It's these little girls singing an Olivia Rodrigo song. It's like, I'm on a keys car, I'm going to break it. You know that one? Unsidget right back? Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. I think it's... Is it getting back? Yeah. She had to be, like, four. She was young. They don't do... We don't do hearts like this anymore, even the looking things. She was four in doing this. She's like, "I'm going to a keys car. I'm going to break his heart." And I was like, "She's even doing it this." This? I am so sorry. This is ugly. I despise this heart, and I know that's a millennial thing to say, but I like this heart better. Oh, that's cute. Like, this is Korean. I know, but there's an emoji for it. I mean, it's cute. Like, to me, this is cuter and less like... This is cute. This is more like, "I'm cool girl. I don't have to try hard." This is, like, fucking... It takes all my fucking brain capacity to do this. Like, my brain is fried by the time I'm done. Yours is... Why is your so crooked? It's not good, 'cause I can't do it. I feel like playing guitar kind of helped me. It's just not as cute. Like, I'm sorry. This is so cute. Also, people will just put half of it. Love you. Yes, I know. What is this? What is this? I just like... She was four, and she was doing it. I'm like, "Oh." I'm getting in at that. Overall, I'm a millennial to my core, and... But also, I feel like not fully. Really? Yeah, 'cause there's people I like... No, I think you and I, especially because with what we do, we're slightly in the mix. Like, we're slightly... We lean more towards millennials, especially how we grew up, but... I mean, the fact that we didn't even really have social media, our whole... Schooling says a lot. You know? Like, we're not iPad babies, but... Okay. Okay. But I feel like we're like, "This is gonna make me sound millennial." We're like, "End with the no," you know what I mean? I think I'm aware, and I understand why things are chuggy or millennial or whatever. But just my heart naturally goes towards millennial things, and I can't fight it. It's just who I am. No. And that's so fun. To have like an old soul, I have a millennial soul. I feel like we... Oh, I was gonna say we both have younger souls. I'm more millennial than you, I'd say. Really? I don't know. I love a Bath and Body Works candle. I love... I see what you mean. I see what you mean in that sense. A little home-body moment. I mean, I don't know. There's a lot of stuff. Like, Taylor Swift, I know she's so millennial-core, and I'm like, "I relate to a lot of the things she likes." Yes. No, I feel that. Overall, though, that little girl is so cute. She's so cute. And every time I see little sisters, like a sister, a little annoying sister, and an older sister, I'm like, "It's so Alicia and I." I wish we had more home videos of us growing up, of our dynamic, because we really don't have that many. We didn't really have a video camera growing up, but our friends did. So we'd always like film movies and stuff together. Cute. But I wish there was just like, raw footage. I love my brother so much. And I loved... I was just having this conversation with someone the other day. Like, I loved having a brother because I loved growing up and feeling like zero competition in any way. We would fight but not over-close or the girly things we just fight about stupid stuff. And I loved me doing the dance stuff and him doing the sports stuff. We never had any overlap, exactly. I look at people with sisters. I look at you with a sister. I'm like, "I can't imagine what that bond is like." And I know not all sisters are close, but I just think it looks really fun. I will say, there's a lot of times that it's been really fun. Sure. The debriefs. Yeah. After dates or whatever, it's like, "I think that would have happened," or even just like life updates or advice or kind of things. Not that like, brothers wouldn't, but I feel like it's more like, "Yo, I'm cool. I'm good." Yeah. We don't like... He and I will catch up, but there's like a big barrier because like, we don't talk about dating or like, if I would talk to him about dating stuff, he'd just be like, "I'm gonna kill him." Like, he'd just be protective. We're like, "No, no, no. Like, it's okay." I will say that's what I wish because our older half-brother like, again, we never lived with him or anything, so having a brother to be protective over here, I've never experienced that, really. Like, I have, but obviously not growing up in the same house. So like, to me, I'm like, "Oh, that's so cool." I would love... Oh, my God. I could just sew a picture. Like, if I had an older... Like, if Ashley was a boy, like I had an older brother, or being like, "Don't fuck with my sister." The dynamics are all... They're all really beautiful. I'm just... There's something about a sister that I'm like, "Oh, that looks so fun." Lots of like, passive, caddy fighting about clothes. I'm sure. I'm sure. I could see that. But like, just a sisterly bond. I've been thinking. I mean, I'm not obviously going to have a kid. I don't think anytime soon, but you know what I love on TikTok, huh? Is the people who guess baby names? For me, like, that's... Again, if you ever never want to be an influencer, you would be either a toy reviewer or like, someone like that. You think I would do that? Yeah. I feel like you would go on live. You'd go on live. You wouldn't show your face. And it'd be ASMR. I saw one for J.C. Marie Smith that someone did. Oh my God. And it was crazy because I think this girl's like whole shtick as she guesses influencer or celebrity baby names before the baby comes. And are they like... I don't know what her rate is. Yes and no, because also names are so fucking crazy now. I was going to say before it was like, Ashley. Yeah. Samantha. Yes. Yeah. Literally like Jocelyn. I'm sure she's done quite a few, but the one that I happen to see, she was basing off of J.C. and her husband's shoot, like photo shoot they did in like a field, like almost like very kind of cottage core, very like of the earth, natural organic. So she was naming all these names that could be potentially, and I think J.C. commented on it and I just think it's so crazy. And so I've been thinking, you know, if I ever have a kid, I would be so honored. We had Kelsey on. We were talking about that. So honored if someone were to make a video trying to guess what my baby name would be. Spatula. I have. Let's get cooking. Let's get cooking. Kel and I've had a baby name forever that we really wanted to use. And I think that it'd be a good boy name. Also I got tagged in a TikTok recently, and it was like first and middle boy names that like are so cute that you have to use, they said Remy Cruz. I saw you post that. Can you believe that? Remy Cruz. Well, I know Remy is a boy name also. Yeah. And Cruz is usually a boy name as well now. And that's funny. Imagine I named my son, Remy Cruz. You're impact. You're so impact. Kal and I, when we first initially started talking about kids, we're like, okay, well, what would we name our son? And I've always wanted to have a girl, but I've like never had any girl names come. But this, when I had this idea for this boy name, I was like, oh my God, this is going to be it. Like they're going to make the TikToks. No one's going to guess it is going to be so good. We, I've been talking about this for like years now, you know this now, all of a sudden. And like, I didn't know anybody really named that except for one celebrity. And that's it. Now it's like the new name. And there have been so many people naming their kid River because I was like, Oh my God, River Parsons. It's going to be so cute. I love that name and cat. That's the only name count I've both been like, it's the name with you being like, River. I'd be like, I've been like, I miss a period, River and so we'd always talk about it. And then more recently, Alicia and I were talking about how like, Oh my God, I think River is becoming a much more popular name. You know what's crazy is my gut knew that like I feel like I, I remember especially when Kim named North North, the world wasn't an uproar of like, what kind of name is that? And then like North, I remember growing up, I always wanted to name my, my kids Sky or like Skyler, you know, guy or girl and then Sky for short. But then there's like North and now the like the world's like or universe's elements, like disco ball book. Yes, like galaxy. Oh my God, these aren't baby names. But even when we had parallel, all the popular names for shades, like colors were like Sky, um, chartreuse or no, no, like like rock or like smut or like, like, like, or river or like, uh, all again, like elements like not dirt. I was going to say dirt, dust, dust is one. I feel like scams also has, it's like onyx or clay. Yes, you're so right. Elements, periodic table. Okay. If you will. Yeah. Women and names. And I was like, Oh, so like North Sky, like, so I just picture being in, like, you're the teacher in class, like, okay, so it, yes, okay, this sub even more than teacher, this substitute teacher that comes in for one day and says your name wrong. And so like all those names, but I can see how it's going to become so popular because obviously growing up, someone like my sister named Ashley was always like, mom, dad, why did you name me Ashley? Like everyone is fucking named Ashley. And they swear on their life, they're like, no, it wasn't a popular name back in 1989. Like it wasn't a popular name. If anything, it was a boy's name before it was a girl's name, Ashley for Ashley. And I knew there was one artist, this is Sony, Ashley Parker Angel, who me and my best friend, we were obsessed with. What a name. One of his songs. Sounds like a Disney channel. Like Ashley Parker Angel. Um, anyways, he was a guy, but it's funny because hello, Ashley's the most basic white girl name ever. So I'm curious now if River is going to be the new Ashley? Yes. So we've started planning for that and because you had brought it to my attention, like, you know, a lot of celebrities and people are starting to name their kid, River Apple. You should be aware. And so then I was like, Oh my God. Okay. You're so right. I still really love the name. But then I started thinking, you know, I'm sure Ashley was Ashley M in class because I'm sure there was Ashley Jay, Ashley, Ashley, there was like seven Ashley's in her class. I believe that. Yeah. Then I was like, Oh, okay, like, well, what would my river be? River pea. River pea. The way that like I didn't think about the river pea. River pea. And that's the thing. You have to be so aware of baby names now because kids are, well, always, but especially now kids are bullies. Yeah. And they will pick a partner. Do you ever meet someone? And you're like, I never say it out loud. But if they're like, they're introduced to themselves, I'm like, Oh, that must have been a hard name growing. Yeah. Yeah. That must have been a hard name. Yeah. So safe to say my kid will no longer be named River solely based on, I cannot. God forbid there's one other river in the class of River pea. That's that's asking to be made. Yeah. Oh, I didn't even think about that. I came off the baby list. So officially, officially, I can't have a river pea. You can't have a river pea. No, I can't do that to them. River pea. Lake pea. Lake. Lake's a cute name. Lake pea. But that I can't do any body of water because it's now you're only rain pea, snow pea. Snow is a cute word. Snow is cute. Like, but again, elements, periodic table. I know snow is not on the periodic table. Okay. But hydrogen. Hydrogen pea. Oxygen pea. There was a TikTok too. I thought it was so funny. It was like a teacher like or someone overheard a teacher calling like three kids' names to get an order or something. And it was like dream. Oh my God. Fairy and lavender, summer moon and what was it, summer moon ocean and ocean are going to school this summer. I know. Literally, it's just is funny. Summer moon is a crazy name too. It's cute though. It's cute. And like I knew a summer growing up. But yeah. All of it together. And you got to think of a good first middle now too because like that's a thing. I know. Remi Ashton. Shimmery. Would you get called Alicia Marie when you were in trouble as a kid? No. Just Alicia. Just Alicia. Yeah. Oh, mind me. Or full name Alicia Marie McDonald when you were in trouble. You know what's weird? No, but I knew that was really common. Yeah. I had Remi Ashton. Crude. Oh my God. I'd be like, fuck. You're like, oh, here I go. I know. I don't know her. Yeah. I don't have baby names, but I did have a dream the other night. Um, that was low key. It was, you were in it. It was so weird. We like went to a hotel or something. And then the hotel room, the whole wall was like a window to the bottom floor of like the street. So anyone could look in or out and I'm, and there was a huge curtain, but you and I were very uncomfortable and we're like, ooh, we don't know about this. And at one point, a guy like, there was a door also that led to that street. So it was almost like we were in a store, but it was a hotel room. Okay. Okay. Like a storefront store. Okay. Yeah. And I remember at one point, and they're like, oh, well, you can lock it and there's like a curtain. Um, but we were like, okay, like that's fine. And you were really unsure about it. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I was like, it's fine. Like it locks. There's a curtain. Like we'll just keep it closed the whole time. Anyone could just bust the window. Well, at one point, there's all these people walking by. And then this guy somehow got in because I think the doors were just like unlocked during the day or something. And he is just like sitting in chilling and we're like, Hey, I go up and I'm like, hey, sorry, you can't be here. Like this room's occupied right now, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And he like willingly leaves or whatever, but you're like, hard, no, I want to switch rooms. So I'm like, okay, we talked to the hotel person. They're like, okay, yeah, yeah, we can, we can, we have one other room available. They bring us to like the top floor of this stairwell that then leads out to, is it just you and I? It's just you and I. And then this. I know. But then once we get to the very top, we're now suddenly like on a beach, like hill thing. And then they bring us to this, this room that clearly like no one has stayed in in the longest time. It's like so dirty. It's so dusty. And they're like, yeah, we're so sorry. Like it is really dusty, but we don't have the cleaners come in right now and clean it. Like it was almost, it was like attic vibes, like very dirty, but it had a, the, a beautiful view of the ocean. And you were like, done, love it so much better than the other one. And I was like, dude, I think the other ones better. Like, I think if these are two options, like you didn't want to view the ocean? Well, because it was so gnat, like it was disgusting, like it was dirty, it was dusty. And I was like, it was like those movies where they like pick off the tablecloth and it's like, and there's like dust everywhere, I was like, this is haunted. So I'm like, okay, weird, whatever. Rem wants it. Let's do it. It's fine. Our stuff's already here. It took so much effort to get down. And then they were saying they don't even know if the other room was available anymore. So we're staying at that top one. The next thing I know, we're like trying to get ready. And again, this is the common theme. I'm saying the walls were also like mirrors. So people like saw us and I kept closing the curtains. And I like, I kept closing the curtains being like, dude, like we're just trying to get ready and I don't want like people like staring at us. But like obviously we're just a picture like a park by the beach and then the house and with windows. Like that was us as people are like chilling, right, but they kept noticing us, not necessarily in like a, oh, we know you from YouTube way, maybe, but it was more so just like, oh, we can see these people. So I kept trying to like move around, but then I look down and there's, I'm picking up, I like almost step on a screw and I'm like, oh my God. So I like lean over and I pick it up and I'm like, dude, this is so dangerous. Like they need to clean this place ASAP. So I'm like, okay, let's clean this place, whatever. And I pick up a screw. The next thing I know, I look down their screws all over the floor, like covering the entire floor. So I try so hard, someone, and then someone's looking through the window. So then I like try to like hop over there to close the curtain while picking up the screws. And I look and I'm like, there's so many fucking screws. Like why? I'm so sorry. That has to mean something. No. And I know we've talked about having a dream analysis person. Well, we tried looking for one and I could never find someone. So if anyone knows some dream interpreter person, let us know who's fine being on camera and on a podcast. Yes. So I'm like, I keep picking them up. They're like everywhere, everywhere. And they're like old and like kind of rusty, right? And I'm just like, okay, but you're chilling. Like you're, you're fine. But I was just like, what the hell? The next thing I know, I have another dream. Some toxins was in it. It was weird. I forget what it was. That tracks. But the word screw came up in that dream. So then I wake up for real and I'm like, what the fuck does a screw mean and a dream? Because yes, because I was like, this has to mean something. Yeah. There were multiple different answers, but the one I found that I first Googled was screw. The association meaning a strong connection. So maybe you have a strong connection. Maybe I have a lot of not strong connections because they were rusty screws all over the ground. Oh, wow. The question is what do I join? So then it says in general, the screw in the dream is a symbol of the connection in particular of the sexual connection. Screw can stand for a disagreeable, tricky matter in which one should not allow to get involved. The wish for security and holding on of the achieved often also appears in it. That's the other thing. The other thing I saw when I was Googling it was like a secure like holding on or security. I can see like some, I mean, it attaches things together secure more than the nail. So I was like, oh my God, if one screws a screw, one wishes a lasting respect with another. If one uses them in a dream to repair something or to build to like maybe a creative work or project, the other thing I found was a screw represents strength, stability and power. So whatever, wherever you find this, no, it's a overall positive omen is what came up. And I was like, what? Because I looked at what does it mean to find screws everywhere? And then what does it mean to find screws? I've worst spiritually came up. So apparently it's a positive omen, but I was like, what does it mean other than I need to get screwed? Maybe it's just that. And Remy loves a view. We all knew that. No, I literally was like, that was so weird. So interesting. I know. Also, this is just Google. Like, I don't know. I mean, yeah, maybe it could be something different. And I was trying to pick up the screws, but there was too many for me to pick up. I like the idea of connection. Uh huh. That makes sense to me. Yeah. Interesting. And the first one was physical screws loose all over the ground. Like think of like, um, what's that game with the jacks that they're like spiky little things. Oh, isn't it? Jacks? That picture those all over the floor, like I was like trying to like not step on these like nasty screws. Maybe I just need a tetanus shot. I don't know. Imagine. Maybe I just need to go get an update. Maybe I just need a boost, um, or, and then in the second dream, it was just the word screw that came up. It wasn't a physical one. Like reoccurring that has to be something right? Same night. Same night. So that's why I searched it. So I was like, clearly if it was there twice, like that was weird. I know. I had a bit of a scary dream last night because I watched the perfect wife on Hulu. Did you watch that yet? No. It's a crime documentary. It's crazy. You should watch it. No, I'm not going to. It was like, it was crime, but it was so. Is it more thriller than like scary? It's more just like upsetting and crazy. Wait, I'm so shocked you watched it. I know. I know. But I like, I don't really get as scared of crime stuff if it's solved. Yeah. Because then I'm like, I'm safe. Do you remember when I had that panic attack? Yeah. Yeah. One of my anxieties. That was really bad. Don't fuck with cash. That was also a really scary one, I will say. And like normally, like if I was watching that today, it wouldn't bother me. But I just remember being like, we're alone in the woods and I'm going to die. Also scary. We're in a cabin. It was creepy. I get that. And I get that. Ooh. So this was a case that happened in 2016. Again, I recommend watching it. It's a three part documentary. I will say I skipped through some of the parts because someone spoiled it for me before I watched it. So I kind of knew Remy's also the person be like, oh, you can tell me I'm not going to watch it. To be honest, this is the one I didn't want to be spoiled. I didn't even Google it beforehand. Oh my God. I'll give you the Spark notes version and you should watch it. Not as becoming a crime. Oh my God. I'm a crime podcast. I love it. So this happened in 2016, which is just crazy to me because I, there are so many of these crime things that come out that I'm like, how did I not hear about this? But also sometimes like I'm glad I don't know about everything. That too. But I'm like, it became worldwide news or nationwide news. I'm like, how did I not know? But I'm sure I was going through some other shit in 2016. So it's a mom and a dad and two kids. The dad comes home from work and it's like five o'clock. The mom's not home. The kids aren't there. And he's like, what the heck? Calls a daycare. The kids never got picked up. He's like, Oh my God. He tries to track her and her phone's at the end of the street, like a mile away. So he goes and finds the phone. It's on the ground with her iPhone headphones, like plugging headphones and some hair ripped out on the ground. And so he obviously immediately is like something's wrong. Like she's got a kid nap or something happened. They call the police. They're trying to figure it out. She's a missing person. Obviously. He's freaking out. He's crying every day, like looking for her. They're like having a huge investigation, obviously trying to find her and he's freaking out and fast forward through the first episode. They like, you know, they're talking to neighbors. They hear him like yelling at her sometimes. So then obviously he becomes a suspect and it's always like the husband, you know, boyfriend the husband becomes the first suspect. And so they think it's him. And then they figure out that it's not him 22 days later, they get a 911 call and they found her on the side of the road. She had been burned. She had like all these crazy like rashes on her arms, like from like shackles and chained that she was chained up and had she been branded on her back, bruises everywhere face bruised everything. Like she looked, it was horrible. She's on the side of the freeway and a guy found her and they called the 911 operator and he's like, I found this lady. It's her 22 days later. She's on the side of the road. And so they obviously bring her to the hospital. And the first episode ends with the dad, the husband, his name, I think was Keith. Such a sweet man. Such a sweet man. He walks in the hospital, pulls open the curtain and set because all she was like demanding us to talk to him. I only want to talk to him. I only want to talk to him. They pull up and he pulls up in the curtain. And the first episode ends with him saying, I knew she was lying. Dude. Episode one ends. It's only three episodes. One. Yes. That's what my guest was going to be. I didn't want to ruin it. Yeah. She was thinking. She was somehow she was speaking. Yeah. Why would you think that? It's something I hate about my brain, but also I'm like, does that mean I'm a detective? Because I don't trust people. I'm like, what's the real truth here? No, like that's like, when you mentioned hair, I was like, did she purposely put that there? But also like, do you want me to tell you what happens or should I not? Wait, I kind of do. Also, sorry. So he had the kids. They were fine. They got the kids. Everything was fine. But he was like looking for her. Yeah. So he just knew. Oh my God. Imagine that being your partner. I know. Like, I know. What? So fast forward. I'm skipping a bunch of parts, but apparently this woman was like known for being a liar and very manipulative, had like a lot of exes and a lot of ex husbands and all these things. And so nation starts to pick up on the story. And so she starts telling the story of what had happened to her. And her story is that she was running and then an SUV came and picked her up and it was two Hispanic women. One was a large woman. One was a smaller woman. And that she couldn't remember certain things and she'd been gone for obviously three weeks. And so the like all, you know, people across the nation who were just interested in the story, a lot of people, I'm sure who were like crime bloggers or things like that. Oh, I'm sure. Like, I guarantee Ashley knows this because she's obsessed with the true crime. I think it was I'm assuming it was a big story to make it into a documentary. And the documentary is really big on Hulu right now. Apparently, people who are like interested in crime started to like listen to the story and started to poke holes being like her story is like not adding on and she specifically had explained like, oh, you know, where were you? And she couldn't like say it, you know, like her story just had a lot of holes. And so she was explaining like what the house looked like and how they like the closet was very specific and had this like a long corkscrew through and all these things. And so, you know, they're trying to find these women that she's saying, you know, kidnapped her and you know, beater and bruised her and branded her and all these crazy things obviously. And so the husband is like trying to be supportive and like help throughout this whole process that happened in 2016, then it shows like through the throughout the years, they're like trying to figure it out, but they didn't like find anything till I think it was 2020. And so now it's like peak pandemic and she's home with the kids and you know, she's like, yeah, it was crazy. And so they just kept running DNA over and over and over on the clothes that she came back in. And again, the public is like a lot of public is like, this is doesn't make sense, you know, we don't know. They're still like trying to figure it out. They have no leads. They have no leads. They have no leads. Finally, they run the DNA again and it strikes a match for her ex boyfriend who was on the Anaheim ducks. What? I know. Isn't that crazy? And so they go to his apartment in Costa Mesa. He's literally just living like in Costa Mesa and they go see him and this guy was like moronic. You know, normally if you participate in a crime, you, they probably have to like coax you or, you know, offer some sort of plea, like, oh, well, yeah, like we'll give you a lesser son. And the way they walk in and he immediately spells, spells everything. He just just like, oh, I got a like a letter in the mail from her. Like they had burner phones and she would like talk to him from here and there. And she basically like gave her gave him her address and then was like, pick me up on this day at this time. And he was just like, okay, and you just like drove up and like picked her up in the car. And when they knew that it was a place because when they walk in his house is exactly what she was explaining and it's so crazy watching because they're in the interrogation room and they had the husband come in and like they're talking about obviously like how they do things because I'm sure there's like a formula like it's a way to do things so they bring them in so that they could like study his reaction and her reaction and see like their conversations and everything. Like the poor husband is like so excited because yes, okay, so they show him the photos and he's like, yes, this is the place that she's explained like, oh my God, like so excited. And you can tell she's like freaking out now, obviously. So then they're like, they're like either he can stay or he can go like we, what do you want to what do you want to do? And he's like, obviously, I want to stay like, oh my God, this is amazing. And so she's like, tells them to leave the room obviously they're filming the conversation so the two of them are sitting there and she suddenly switches her tune. And so what she had said is that between the two women that quote unquote kidnapped her one, they got into a fight, one killed the other and then the one that was living, let her go. So now she's like, well, I don't want them to catch her because she is like the reason why I'm with my kids now. And so she starts seeing this different tune obviously because they're catching up to her. So she's like, no, I don't want to find her. I don't want to find her. I don't want to look into it anymore. I know any person in the right mind would say, find them so they don't do this to anyone else. I know. And the husband is like, it's so crazy watching this because the husband in the room is like, well, you don't have to press charges then, but like we need to find her. And she's like, no, I don't want to and like crocodiles here is crying, crying, crying. And he's like, you're scaring me. Like this isn't making sense. Like you need to tell me the truth. They come back in, they show the photos. They're like, this is James's house, her ex, husband or boyfriend or whatever. And she's just like, oh my God. So he was involved. It's just like so. So it was so so when they went to the boyfriend's house, the James, the Anaheim duck guy. He's immediately gives it all up. He's like, she had me come pick her up. She left the phone, staged it there. She gets in the car, knew about never the women. The women didn't fucking exist. She's racist and did not watch they like they alluded to that they didn't say like word for word, but like I guess she had written this really crazy, like very racist article when she was younger. That was published. And she was like, it was a joke. Like someone did it as a joke. And the husband was like, I was a class clown. And there's like there was never like that's not funny. Also the fact that she made up these two women and then decides to put the like make it a big deal about the race like what the fuck this was during the 2016 Trump election. Like this was 2016. So they're like saying all this about like saying it. And so she was basically like, you know, he literally the guy is like, yeah, we bought the brand. She had me brander. He's like, she had me shoot hockey pucks off her legs. Be like hit me with a hockey puck to bruise her. And like all this crazy shit. It was like a like kinky thing that she was just, I think he just like wasn't, I'm assuming fully there. And also I think that he just like would do anything for her. Like she was very manipulative in that way. It was like a kinky thing or she's the way they like spun it. And so she for 22 days sat at his apartment and would like run into his hockey sticks and like bruise herself, watched the family on the news every day looking for her crying in hysterics for her on day 22. She's like, I'm ready to go. And he literally word forward goes, yeah, I was bummed because then she just like wanted to leave. And she just, he had her, she had him drive her back up, leave her on the side of the freeway or she like left her in a parking lot. She ran to the freeway. And then that's when that guy found her. Oh, but they didn't, they knew all this, but they were waiting for her to like give it up in this room. She didn't. She like stuck with her crazy story. So then the husband like stepped out because he's upset and he was like, I fully expected them to arrest her in that room, but they didn't have enough to arrest her. So he had to go home with her. Trying to sleep in the same bed and like cuddle. Oh my God. And he was like, he like was like, don't, I don't want to be with you right now. And then he said he got really upset. If when that's your spouse, like you obviously don't want to assume the worst. So if we're not to be like, if she's like, Oh, thank God, I'm home, I just want to like cuddle on the couch. Like, but everything in you is like, I don't want to be around you. But also you don't want to be like, also don't know, no, even though you know, but like, you don't want to be like new. And so she said, or he said, because it's, it's him telling all the documentary, like this poor, sweet man. And so he had said that he left and was like, oh, I don't want to be around you. And that the, the chief had been like, I, we're going to, we're looking to arrest her and basically like, we're going to like, he was expecting her to be arrested the next day. That one day went by another day one by another day went by. And so eventually he was talking to like some male figure in his life and the male figure was like, you know, it's at this point, it's her story versus theirs. Like, you know, I don't, I can't tell you what to do, but do you want your kids to not have like a mom? Do you like, you know, it's like, it could also be so untrue. And she's obviously like manipulating him texting him every day. Like, I miss you. I miss you. Like it's, you have it all wrong. You have it all wrong. So eventually he takes her back and like they're in the house together with the kids. You know, it's like peak pandemic and they're in quarantine and he said there was like so much tension, but like he's still unaware why he thought was going to be the next day she got arrested, turned into like 19 months. It took them like that long. So she finally got arrested. Like the FBI got involved when they come and arrest her because I think they did. I forget, they like pulled like 35 subpoenas or something crazy. Yeah. They figured it out through like the burner phones and like always like you do need an actual evidence. Yeah, you need a reason. Me, a detective. Yeah. Obviously you do need some hard evidence. And so and they were able to find it. Wow. So they come and they arrest her and then she ended up going to trial, went to jail and for not nearly as long as she should have and I just worry about the kids. I know. And custody. And so the dad has the full custody and like the I hope that he made a lot of money to support the kids off this documentary, but it was crazy. No, that's people are fucking crazy. That's insane. I'm so shocked. I also didn't hear about that. I know it was huge and it was in, I believe, California. Well, yeah. So is, what's, what's the boyfriend up to? She saw on the doc. That's what I needed to know. I was like, did he go to prison? He is now somewhere else. He's like playing for a team in Canada. Oh, it's fucking crazy. My first thought was like maybe they tried to like write it off as like, oh, she was just trying to be kinky. Like it wasn't like abuse, abuse, but like even that I'm like, dude, you don't look good. Like, no matter, even if you gave up your story right away, like him not trying to hide anything. Like, and yeah, I branded her like what? But even like, besides that, like there for 22 days, the news was covered and looking for her. So there's like nothing. Yeah, there's no, it's all really fucked up. That's a whole other level of fucked up to like look like that type of attention. I mean, I've just told you everything that you should watch it. No, yeah. I like, I need to talk to Ash about it. Ashley's obsessed with my favorite murder. So she like literally, I think it's every Thursday. She's like, it's my favorite murder day. At least it seems like as when you have a true crime podcast, obviously, there's like the big stories, but then it's easy to like kind of run out of things to talk about. Cause there's only so many like serial killer type things, but then there's things like this. It was, are we like a true crime podcast? I think for today we might be, even though I just gave it all away and probably didn't do a good job at explaining it. Whatever. It's fine. That's crazy. I have to recommend it. It was a really good documentary. Dude, my first thought was like, hair interesting. Uh-huh. I know it was, it was really, it was jarring to watch for sure. People are not, people are not, I just, I can't even, oh my God. And then it's like, yeah, dude. I was just like, from the beginning, I'm like, it's very, it just gave me a weird feeling. Yeah. And then also it's easy. This is how my brain works too. You're like, well, clearly if they made a documentary out of it, this has to be like crazier than you think. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. You're like, this clearly is not A to B. Yeah. You're like, this clearly is going somewhere. Yeah. And like, what the fuck's happening? It was a really, I mean, it was real, but it's just a crazy story. God, wait. I'm so, I loved that. Oh. I'm so proud of you. I feel like you never would watch anything like that. I, it, it was, was Cal watching it and then you like put down your phone because you're interested. No, I watched it the whole time. I know. I did. Well, Perla and I together. Oh, love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. Oh my God. Well, um, leave down some comments of any movie show documentary, any crime documentary where they found the person would be so nice to know some good stuff because maybe we'll become the Scholastic Book Fair or maybe we'll become Letterbox Dream and you know, we'll be a movie reviewer. Who knows what we'll be next week. Our world is our oyster. No, literally Remy. I'm so glad we're on the same page. Love you guys so much. Make sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel if you haven't already and we post new episodes every Wednesday. Love you so much. And we'll see you next week. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. [BLANK_AUDIO]
