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The highlights courtesy of sports net and then you were at Anthony Santander after the game and a funny thing happened on the way to again it looked like a loss early on including some bad defensive plays but Anthony Santander two arm runs. Now it's a career high 34 with 47 games left to go in the season and Jackson Holiday to paraphrase Kevin Brown hit one to saskat you on helping the Orioles more like Saskatoon. That's a good one too. Well Saskatoon is in Saskatoon. Yeah, Orioles win seven three and they're back in a tie for first place in the A.L. East because the Yankees split a double header as I said yesterday tough to sweep a double header. So the Orioles back in a tie and the bats came alive late last night. That game felt like a game last year a little bit where they took advantage of the bullpen and started to beat it down. Yes. Look, everything about Anthony Santander, these games can be hard to watch at times and especially when the infields kicking around balls and you know there's a pitcher out there who doesn't have great stuff who's trying to gut it out for you a night after Suarez did gut it out for you and you're watching some of this stuff that's that's not professional grade and it can be a tough watch you know here and there given what expectations are now. But like everything about Anthony Santander there's like a joy to even when he strikes out the way he strikes out sometimes there's there's almost a joy to it and watching him make that catch which absolutely bailed them out. Oh yeah, I'm thinking they're not gonna pitch to him and then they do absolutely bailed them out there bailed the manager out big time or Freddy Gonzalez but come on. The tide knows what's going on in that scenario. He's sitting in the in the clubhouse. I'm sure with his phone when I was pitcher out too. He made the pitch. Yeah. So that play the home runs from both sides of the park and then just you know watching him goof around with Brandon Kimione as after the game and his on field interviews are a hoot and a treat. He is so woven into the fabric of this team man like he he just is you know the stuff people used to say about Trey Mancini and this or that. Oh like where would they be without him that this is this is different this like Aaron Judge might be the only major league player who hits more home runs in this guy this year like that that could be how this plays out and he's clearly their best right fielder and he's a bat that they want to face any pitcher in any situation lefty righty ace starter closer it doesn't matter he's probably the preferred choice right now over anybody else. And then for Jackson Holliday to keep having the app bats he's having. You motivated absolutely massive. I don't know how you said he did you were questioning his power and now he's power he's hit home. I said I'm not if he has power that's a cherry on top I just want him to play solid second base and get on base 33 percent of the time. Hey he's this kid he's putting a monster no three youngest guy in American League history to helmet three straight games and both those late home runs Santander second one and Jackson both them came in O2 Countess which is even more impressive but I mean Santander guys I mean we had the conversation of okay what do they do with him entering a contract you're heading into the season and I think we're all in agreement that he probably okay you got some outfielders down on the farm and maybe he's a guy that you can let walk but now it's to the point where I don't know how you can let this guy walk because it would just leave such a gaping hole in your lineup and is he having a gold glove caliber year in right field no but I think he's having his best defense exactly and I think he's having his best defensive year that he's had probably since he was just a covid finalist in 2020 just the diving play is the range we know what type of arm that he has and the year that he's had considering the fact that the first two months he was giving you basically nothing and there hasn't been a lull in his game since June 1st I mean he has just been a monster well if you spin it forward like let's just be real about the 2025 Baltimore is Corbin Burns is not going to be here and they're not going to give some starter two hundred and fifty million dollars to replace him it stands to reason that the pitching staff even if Batista comes back with a full recovery without a true ace in Corbin Burns like knowing you're not going to have braddish not really having a lefty that you can count on they're probably not going to pitch as well they're going to have to mesh and we don't know about Heston cursed at other than he's Ryan O'Hern and to keep them both around next year would be silly like Kobe Mayo is not going to become a corner outfielder in the span of three months back home in Florida right and Heston's glove is a problem so I'm just thinking like who's going to be yes who's going to beat this guy out like who's going to be more valuable to them as even bat over glove on a team that's going to need to score runs because I'm just telling you they're not going to have the Cy Young winner which Corbin Burns very well could be on their staff next year and they're not going to have braddish and all of a sudden like it's not going to be as good of a rotation like I don't see how you let this guy walk I just want to let you know santan there still leads the majors and homers from since June 1st and in his last 20 games he's been 305 with 11 homers 21 RBI's and 22 runs scored so like it's not just he's slowing down he continues to rake basically since June the 1st. We've seen what their records been since June the 1st and we know that the prolonged slump that Adley was in and Jackson was in and even Westburg the two weeks going into the all-star break and then Westburg getting hurt they be lost without this guy michaelized himself a couple weeks ago said he's kind of been our heart and soul and I brought that up to him again yesterday like and you add in the leadership element the bilingual element having a Latin star on your team as you continue to bleed international prospects like switch hitter and you're not paying anybody else effluent 18 million next year you're not paying anybody else uh we mentioned Jackson Holley we should throw in eloy Jimenez who continues to get big hits for them and the double scores too makes it a 7-3 game yeah I mean the double down the right field line was obviously huge um he does not hit the ball in the air and to this point it it hasn't mattered I do feel like batting average on balls in play well there'll be some regression there um let it rise but yeah I mean two more hits I mean even for him to get the infield hit for a guy who can't run at all like he's living right right now the baseball gods are shining upon him and seeing him run after all running the bases going to third dude when that throw went to center field he looked like he was miserable yeah he's like wait a minute I gotta go 90 more feet yeah and then that head first oh that was that was good times we have a huge Thursday show it's kind of uh to uh to to shout out alloysians it's almost a ladies night here as you remember those great shows at night on Tuesday 16 shares oh man 16 shared share those were good times uh Didi Kinkabala will talk AFC North with her she's from CBS at 3 o'clock Lani Baxter is uh going into the Maryland Hall of Fame he's going to join us at 3 30 Lucy Burge our weekly chat with her best bets at 4 o'clock our own Melissa Kim talking Ravens at 4 30 and Ryan Ripken part of our Baltimore baseball night 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Second start as an Oreo for Rogers and a swing and a miss on the change up Springer goes down man is on second and Vartio on third another road to foul tip time into the glove it held on to by Richmond strike three two two hit on the ground diving stop by Mount Castle who gets up to get the out and end the fifth yeah I thought it was better this time out I thought the sinker was working I thought that the change up was better this time it looked a little bit more comfortable I guess that we made a couple mistakes behind him is that his line could have been better and we got to catch the ball in better form especially sinker ball type guys and but I thought he really competed and got through five force Trevor Rogers five inning seven hits three runs two earned two walks two strikeouts and his Brandon I said you're the highest courtesy sports net it could have been a lot better only one air but let's face it there was originally two they changed one to a hit that's a play a competent third baseman makes and it's a double playbook gets him out of the inning and it it also takes his pitch count down about 20 pitches this was to me Jason Tim this was the guy that pitched the last two months in Texas he gives you about five plus innings and gives up two runs but he could have been better if the defense was yeah I mean I think this is about as good as it's going to get for him now can they fix him entirely and build him back up over the offseason and give him a program to wear that left-sided v-load ticks up in this or that maybe but for right now this is about as close to an a game as you're going to get from him we previewed this game yesterday and I with a lineup came out late in the day later than usual and I said I was surprised that Kobe Mayor was at third base because having watched his first start here and having watched him in Miami my gut feeling was they're going to tell him hey buddy that four-seamer that the league slugging five something off of we're not throwing that bro that's getting in trouble balls hard hitting the air we're going to emphasize the sinker and the change up we're going to get a lot of ground balls on this fast track and we're going to get some double play balls and and that's how we will get some length out of you because we don't really have a long man I mean Keegan Aikens on his way back from Norfolk and so there was a lot of action there was a lot of action to the right side and Kobe Mayor was involved in some of it and this is all a learning process for him but I'm surprised they didn't go with their best defensive left side of the infield they could for this start because this guy did do the job and they did exactly what I thought they would do you know like he's thrown the four-seamer more than any other pitch this year he's thrown at 33 percent of the time on on the season 32 percent he threw at 22 percent in this game like on the season he's throwing the change up a little over 20 percent he threw at 28 percent in this game the sinker 10 percent upage on the usage of the sinker 35 percent of his pitches in this game were sinkers on the season 24 percent um his command was a little better he wasn't falling horribly behind and let's face it it's also a lineup that's got its fair share of holes in it right now I feel like the Orioles with this Mayo situation are a victim of their quote own program because Mayo was supposed to get the day off on what's that Tuesday they did give him the impact which we all think was ludicrous at late in the game with the bases loaded but that means we're giving him that runway so he's gonna play the next day at their base but I'm with you the way this picture is bad as the first outing was knowing what the strike did it but they put a dome in a weird situation you're not given Mayo two straight days off why not because we want to give him that long no no I yeah yeah well I also want to win this ball game I hear you and they did win the ball game they did they did they did but it got a lot complicated I hear you by by him yeah well and I think we're also seeing this is why he stayed in triple a as long as he did that that defense is just not bad what are 10 more games like at Norfolk gonna do to I hear you but but he should have been up here sooner so you could have seen some of this in May and June but you can already saw into the pen and I hear you I hear you when you've got these new arms that are trying to figure out your program and work with your catchers right and and obviously his his last start was horrific yes batting practice I didn't see it I was out of the country and that's that's the thing that was vastly different from that first start where there wasn't a ton of hard hit balls last night off Rogers now I think you still went into the the same issue as last time in the fact that he had 18 foul balls he only had two strikeouts he doesn't have put away stuff exactly but I think what you're looking for out of Trevor Rogers especially at this point in the season like you were saying Jason and the fact that he's the back end of your starting staff keep him in the ball game and that's what he did and and I think that's kind of what I'm looking for out of Trevor Rogers in this stretch room for me if he can give them five to six innings two one runs every time out I'm gonna take that and put it in the bank and that's what he did last night yes yep so like and that's what he gave the Rangers the last two months Marlon Marlon's excuse me for my Rangers Marlon's the last two months so if he can give you that out of the fourth or obviously it's four starters by now he's like uh I'll take it uh that you're right about the Blue Jays lineup though for some reason it didn't matter who was pitching that Jimenez was hitting the crap out of the ball he had three doubles coming into the game three doubles last night yeah he was tattooing everything um and and look the the bullpen got the job done um Dominguez hey you'll take it like it's not going to be bulletproof there'll be some hard contact along the way but it's clear it's clear got like guys are starting to have more defined roles those guys have been here now for a couple of series and we're starting to see who the stock arrow is up on and who the stock arrow is down and all in all we got six appearances now six innings he's got seven strikeouts in those six things just giving up that one hurt oh and by the way and Ben says something in a year and I was having a conversation about this last night with somebody when it happened the the double and the ninth inning Slater looked to play it off the wall hit the bottom of the wall it's almost like he misjudged that ball like that ball probably should have been caught he turns around to play it off the wall and it hits the very bottom of the wall so I feel like he misjudged that that's a ball that probably should be caught yeah well either way he's been good yeah and we have reservations about him facing lefties especially he came in yards but but he's been he's been good there's going to be some contact but he's been good when he's ahead he can work that that sweepy slider yeah and gets guys to strike out on that pitch but he's got to get ahead and cano is in a pretty good these stretch of form here now too I mean again you start to think about unsung heroes where would they be without sonton dare night and night out in the middle of that lineup where would they be without what canos done in the eighth or ninth inning during this um kimberle implosion and so does adding nothing and like there's not now web right who'd been their second or third best reliever is out for a while like they really need this version of cano and bersmith's continues i'm buying it yeah i'm buying he was pumping it in this he was feeling himself last night yeah bersmith was feeling himself yeah yeah that that's two days in a row and i'm still mad they pulled him after two outs and then a blue single to blab the night before but two innings in a row he's looked good in toronto now i've got no issue like the whole sample size of bersmiths since they claimed him um i i can't quibble like again another guy who's quickly become pretty important pretty valuable um and we'll see you know baker last time he came up was really good for five or six outings like so see maybe they'll get good brine baker here see no perez looking good to see no perez has been invaluable um that's the only left-handed arm they can trust right well now aikin's back so but i i think we all like aikin as a bridge guy a lot more than a seventh or eighth inning face their best lefty and go get him out guy um that guy is seeing no perez are you any are you concerned at all about cano and the ball like he seems more fly balls than ground balls of late any concern at all i mean i'd love for everything to be on the ground um but he's in a nice stretch yeah i mean i i can't really argue with what he's not doing is he's not walking now he's and that's when he really gets in trouble no you're absolutely right coming up next michael aius joined the show yesterday if you missed it we're going to hear some highlights next here on the fan yesterday michael aius general manager your baltramar Orioles joined the show and talked about a variety of things including jackson holiday as the Orioles uh backup shortstop yeah we've got a situation now with not only hooray but wesburg down that our shortstop coverage is before jackson came up with basically just gunner and you know gunner's been playing a lot and in addition to the all-star game in addition of the home run derby you play so hard you know you do have to worry about that so we had live on soto up for a couple of days and we do have him in the organization as well as some other guys in triple-a but holiday is a shortstop he's been playing there his whole life and the staff with the team the coaching staff are going to make sure he's ready should that should that be called upon but you know hopefully that's something not something that we need to lean into too hard because we need both of those guys up the middle right now but it is a possibility and it is part of our on roster shortstop depth chart right now yeah they they are uh they are without depth that's short at the moment so if you do give gunner a day off or he does god forbid get hurt jackson holidays probably your answer it sure well and i framed the question in a manner in which i included Ramon as well and he did not say anything about putting Ramon there so i i think it's pretty clear that right now if heaven forbid gunner Henderson how to leave a game early because something happened or if you just want to get gunner Henderson off his feet bring a blowout yeah or i know they have another off day coming up monday but then they go into a stretch where it's a little more grueling and maybe there's a day you just want gunner to d h and not play shortstop it's pretty clear right now the only person on this current roster who they would slide over there is jackson holiday yeah i mean love on soto would be that but obviously he's at Norfolk and look they had a lot of injuries to their middle and field i mean Jorge Mateo who knows if he's going to be able to come back in jordan wesper we only saw that one game the second game of the double header at shortstop and it was not pretty over there more from michael ayas from yesterday and the world's made a bunch of trades like right before the trade deadline one of which was a trade for left-handed pitcher gregory soto who has not been good and michael ayas talks about the struggles of soto yeah i think it is command i mean these early struggles that we've been seeing it's he's getting behind an account of lefties and then he's either walking them or getting a basehead neck that's always been part of his game but he appears to be in a particular funk in that regard right now and we know the talent that's in there so he'll work out of this but it's just it's tough when you know somebody comes over in a trade and we all want to see them hit the ground running and make a positive impression so it's hard on the player it's hard on me it's hard on the manager when a guy gets off to a really rough start like this but like anything in baseball i think more of it is luck than we realize and we do need him we brought in all those pitchers at the trade deadline for the reason that you just saw today like we're gonna have injuries we need more major league quality pitchers in the organization he's going to help us we want the velocity and the tough look from the left side that he provides so um we'll get him going says they'll get him going they better because he was also says my favorite four-letter word that ends in uck luck yeah that's your favorite one mm-hmm i'm not buying or least favorite yeah i'm gonna be your least favorite i know i know your most favorite i'm being facetious my least favorite yeah yeah so Gregory's baseball gods yeah some will you shine on Gregory Soto will you fix him hey he was a doll star a couple years like like how much longer does this go though well if he's brutal and then eventually you probably dfa like like if they're bringing him into the fourth or fifth inning right you're bringing him in fourth fifth six inning the games that are already sort of um out of reach one way or the other or certainly nothing close to even a medium leverage situation and like if he's still scuffling and hurting your team even in those instances well how long is the leash it just puts Brandon Hyde in a tough situation now you got another lefty with Keegan ake and he brought back up but Brandon Hyde's already kind of doing this sort of thing with Craig Kimbrell and it worked well in the seventh inning the other day against the blue jays but how many of these guys can you do that with we know what buck show author told us he thought of when they go get us relievers we got to fix it the deadline yeah not a big fan of that you can also i'm all known to remember when the orls got k-rod and he wouldn't use him yeah he just says he just basically was taking a nap out in the bullpen uh so uh more from michael ius the orls got eloy Jimenez uh basically for the bag of balls money and he has been hitting of late and in two more hits last night elies talks about Jimenez i think underlying it's kind of a good word i mean he's having a down year on the surface but the quality of the at bat remain good the the threat that he kind of presents when he's standing in the batter's box was always there um particularly against left handed pitching which is something that that we were lacking especially after deciding to trade off the haze for pitching um but he can hit right handed pitching too and he uses ball is uses the whole field and particularly gap to gap so it's hard to defend against and he we've we've seen it in the first few days he hit the ball really hard and um there's just a lot there to like and he's not a hundred percent healthy and he hasn't been um so that's still being worked through but he's healthy enough to d h give good at bat and we'll try to grow it from there as as he gets out of this injury mode but so far the quality of bats and i think the pennant race has the spirit and um it's it's i think it's more representative of the type of hitter that he is than what he did with the white Sox for the first half amazingly enough we talked a lot about his 61 percent ground ball rate with the white Sox and how it was historically significant and 20 percent above the league average and he literally like his his his launch angle was negative venture to guess his ground ball rate with the bottom Orioles 60 percent i'm gonna say the 73 percent wow you want to take a gander take a guess at what his batting average on balls and play which we're telling you already three of every four are on the ground what his batting average on balls and play is as a member of the bottom Orioles it's high 450 420 727 wow call me crazy but regressions coming he's gotta start hitting the ball in the air but i will say this he yeah he does 727 but i i think some of this is also going from a team that's 50 games under 500 co-pack is pitching well for the dodgers fetties pitching well for the Cardinals like everybody that's gotten out of that sespo tommy fam is hitting for the cart like everybody's gotten away from that sespo is playing better than they were there oh in a lie has said as much when you're going through those crazy long losing streets and you can't i don't care if it's only a week 73 percent ground ball rate in modern baseball is dude that's mine that's nuts i'll tell you what he is doing and and i think mike mentioned it he's let he is letting the ball cut like oh yeah come to his bro he's like Nico Horner like he's just trying to put the ball in play like but he's also going opposite way a bunch he is but he's not going opposite way like he's not destroying ball no no he's not like even that double that many hit it down the line and it just rolled like a balling ball bowling ball long enough for even him to get the second base like 727 if adding average on balls in play that's that if he continues that he may win the MVP anyway he might yeah even though it's a small who cares where he hits the ball that keeps happening yeah yeah you could but yeah no he's well i don't know if he could bump with the way he'll just somebody will just fall down on the way to picking the ball up and it won't be an error because they never got there let's hear one more from mike Elias and it's uh anti santan there we've talked a lot about whether the o's and not whether we think they should resign Anthony santan there well mike Elias your thoughts on resigning him yeah i mean i i would echo the compliment that you made about tony whatever you guys see on the on the screen you know he and or when you're at the park like behind the scenes he's just a great guy he's really putting together a great season i've been kind of boring on this extension topic in the past but for reasons that i've already said and then also you know the fact that our new ownership group has just settled in as of putting day you know early april um we've got so much going on in season it is something that is more typically tackled in the off season and you know there's a lot that goes into it and it can be tough while season's going on you know he is a great player like you mentioned the switch hitter you know it's something that is rare and and valuable but there's a whole lot that goes into the business of baseball and ultimately things come down to case by case in certain circumstances and it's hard for me to make sweeping statements about what we may do in season or not do but we love tantan there you know he's he's really been a big part of where we are right now despite some of the challenges that we've had health lives throughout the year so i'm sure he's gonna finish really strong and you know we'll we'll see where we're at i just want to point out that he said all this before santan there hit two homers last night from each side of the plate and made a catch the rob flag rarer of an rbi double that was before all that if this guy walks that'll be i'm just that'll be a pretty significant kick in the nuts massive all it depends what they do to replace him but they're going to replace him with a with a switch hitter who i don't bat number three in their lineup anytime they need them to i i just i can't i want him to stay i just don't i can't say for certain it's going to hurt until i see what they do to replace him but i i don't want to lose him i don't want to lose him it's going to hurt i might you know who knows what you think has encouraged that's going to do i'm not saying it's going to be has to encourage that i don't know who it's going to beavers i don't think they got it i got to see if they're buying a bat to replace him then just sign him i hear you i'm just not a crazy one no but i'm not going to say do whatever you want him to do use to transition to d h he's not going to put up a fight like he loves being here like it would definitely be who are you getting to replace him i don't know i just i don't know what they're going to do this off season so i i don't know but i want him to stay i want him to stay if they let him walk they would replace him from within be my guess because all these outfielders and that would be the light that oh well we make it room for this all right be careful what you look for coming up next ravens were on the practice field yesterday i was out there kind of a half speed thing as they getting ready for their first pre-season i'm called spring training pre-season game uh tomorrow against the eagles we'll hear a little bit of harves a little bank cleaving a little roger rosengar next you're on the fan we'll see most of those guys out there i don't know about this game if everyone those guys will be out there i'm not sure about the offensive line completely yet uh but you know they probably won't be out there with a mar uh but as far as the rest most of the rest of the guys they will be we're pretty young it's not like we'll have a a ton of guys not playing over the course of the pre-season so we'll see all the guys we need to and it'll be quite a few guys that was john harvall talking about his plan for the o-line in the pre-season and i think it's fair to say ronnie stanley is not going to play in the pre-season because you don't want to risk injury and tal linderbaum's hurt so he's not going to play in the pre-season the rest of these dudes i think you're going to see him like who else is are you bubble wrapping mate like even macari or are you saving him like but maybe but the rest of these guys you're going to see a lot of these o-line of these offensive linemen in the pro in the pre-season how are you not i mean that this is where they're going to have to make their decisions we played the clip of mike tomlin talking about his quarterback you know competition and saying obviously what happens in the stadium matters more than what happens on the high school field or the college field when we're you know when we're practicing on our own like the same thing holds for this uh these various open or quasi open competitions along the offensive line hell yeah they're going to play some of them are i mean you've only got three games and you're hoping they show what they've gotten the first two right so that maybe you take some of them off the market for the third game because you've seen enough so like i mean i don't know am i crazy i have some of these kids play half this game i mean i have like why not i wouldn't be surprised now i know the weather is supposed to be sketchy tomorrow so that could factor into the equation but i mean a lot of this offensive line is just so inexperienced and your voorhees hasn't been on a football field in 18 months dang alfallelei i mean how many starts as he had a couple in his career roger rose and garden he's a rookie cleveland how many starts as he had in his career i mean like all of these guys that big a yeah big a give me some big a they need the reps more from john harborn speaking of alignment where does ben cleveland fit in this o-line i mean i think it's a little bit of both but ben is that such a good job at center and now we have tylor out for a while i think i see him at center uh quite a bit here for the next two weeks ben cleveland your starting center probably for the next two weeks jason brought this up yesterday in terms of the ravens want those big bodies up front so i guess it does kind of make a little sense you're wrapping them up and i mean it works or not like you know you could also look at this two ways like one is well he probably wasn't winning one of the guard spots or wasn't a preferred guy to win a guard spot but maybe they trust him there enough in the clutch i'm sorry in a in a desperation move that like he's there as backup and now they're adding this to the toolkit then there's another part of me that's like well maybe they know he ain't gonna play much guard for him and they definitely don't think he's a tackle so this is his last chance to make the team like do we think here are second best guy snapping them all really third because macare would still be the second best but like you need him everywhere so like i almost wonder if this is more not added on but like last chance well i i think i can see both of them i mean the fact that he's getting wrapped up this much at center i i don't see him in the mix to be the starting guard otherwise he would be playing guard but it also goes back to the ravens loving this versatility across their offensive line they have for a long long time now if cleveland can show that he can be semi-competent at center and can play both guard positions they see that as value speaking of ben cleveland let's hear from him and uh cut 30 his comfort level at center i feel perfectly fine at center you know they started working me in there last year so i mean it's it's not like they just threw me into the fire this week so i mean i'm i'm definitely extremely comfortable there ben cleveland comfortable centers also left-handed so it comes out a little differently than from a right-handed center i mean look again i i was there for two hours it was a fairly spirited practice there were some team sessions they were in full pads i thought i would see a couple of balls on the ground i didn't now i'm not going to tell you every snap was was you know pristine and i wasn't sitting there with binoculars either but like it wasn't a bleep show and i thought it might be a bleep show yeah and now it might be a bleep show in the rain friday night i don't know it could but yeah i mean for a guy that's just starting to get wrapped up at center for the he didn't do this last year first kind of course not at george either i mean this is a they wrapped him a little last year in practice yeah yeah so he did do it a little last year or so but yeah this is completely new for him as far as in-game situations like he's a guarding games but now this is i i i agree with jason though i think this is the last chance to learn for brent ben cleveland like i don't think guard is he ain't playing guard for the bottom of ravens his chance is back up center yeah and if if jones emerges as they're next as as left tackle number two then i think he becomes really valuable in that aspect and then you've got mccary who's the jack of all trades and like if they don't think these other kids can play guard i don't think the answer is going back to ben cleveland i think the answer is they go sign now it's obviously not going to be connor Williams right he got a little bit of money and he's gone yeah he's going to seattle but like i don't think that opens up a spot for ben cleveland i think that means they're going to go sign a veteran who gets cut somewhere else or a guy on the street to have insurance before we step out we know they were even signed russell gauge a few days ago harp said to uh yesterday he's going to play friday they signed according uh to sources on on twitter uh they signed anthony miller today a veteran receiver so that that's now two veteran receivers jordan shultz reporting that uh anthony miller's now ravin yeah and i look i wonder if some of this again is is related to the new kickoff rules as well and getting different people in the mix there and seeing what different people can do back there um i i sure more competition whatever um about six years ago i thought that kid would catch you and something yeah me too i mean bateman's completely utterly this is completely nothing that's what they say and you know we weren't going to play in this game anyway right so well i guess we'll have to see monday if he's on the practice field yeah do you believe he will be i don't know how can you say i'm not gonna sit here i wouldn't bet on it yes if i wouldn't bet on it if there were odds on whether or not he was at practice where would you put them fitty fitty okay that's that's fair hey coming up next we'll continue to talk football specifically the afc north with our friend cbs is aditi kink of walla joins us next here on the fan trying to figure out what to eat for dinner yet again with north sides and bouillon is your not so secret ingredient you can skip the drive-through and do dinner at home nor taste combos provide a menu of delicious affordable and well-balanced meals that you can prepare in 30 minutes or less visit nor.com to get quick and easy recipe ideas for your home cooked weeknight dinners it's not fast food but it's so good get your laugh on with me chris jereco and the talk is jereco podcast we've got guns and roses hull famous duff of the cake and it is joke of the week every friday plus regular visits 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