Inside Access with Jason LaCanfora and Ken Weinman

Are the O's back to their gritty ways?

In the first hour of Inside Access, the guys discussed the Orioles turning things around to finish the weekend splitting a series with the Guardians. They also talk about Jackson Holliday's big weekend and listen to some Ravens sound from the weekend.

Duration:: 39m
Broadcast on:: 05 Aug 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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We punched out a bunch today but we had a lot of really good bats off of starter without standing stuff and really good numbers coming in really impressed by a huge fastball. I thought we just took really good of bats against them. Up and down the order, gun, eloy with some big hits, you know, her with the backside double, rush is starting to swing the bat like we know we can. So a good day for us offensively. You're at the highlights courtesy of Bally sports, great lakes and then Brandon Hyde after the game talking about the great at Fats Up and Down, the lineup Orioles win nine to five yesterday, one seven to four on Saturday. So they take a split in the four game set. We're at Topgolf here in Baltimore. Come on out and see us but guys, things look pretty grim after Friday night to get a split and now you're sitting 49 games left. No team in baseball has more wins in the Orioles who have 67. The Yankees and Indians guardians both sit at 67 as well. I mean, look, I don't think it just looked bleak Friday night. I think the first time through the order against young Joey Cantillo on Saturday, I'm like boy, oh boy, are we going to chase that change up no matter where he throws it? And if we keep swinging at stuff at our feet, this young man is going to have a quality start. And the approach got better. They strapped, they clawed, they fought for their at bats. They made the best bullpen in baseball work. It's backside off over consecutive days. This wasn't home runner bus. This wasn't one beginning. And then everybody kind of sits back a little bit and rides it out. This was continuing to press. This was continuing to fight. You heard Hider talk about it there. Like, this felt like a shedding of some skin for me. And for me, like what they did against Toronto, you know, was like nice and you know, like, but this is going against a really good pitching staff. And when you do get young starters like Cantillo and Gavin Williams, you need to get them out of there early and you need to get into the underbelly of that bullpen before they can go straight to their A team. And I just my hats off to them for putting in the work and not feeling sorry for themselves and not defaulting on bad habits because they won that series because of their bats. Let's be real. I mean, I are split the final two games and tied the series. Yeah, I mean, you go to Saturday. It's one of 162, but that was a massive, massive, massive game. Yes, for the Orioles and for them to come out and I mean, heck, that one play that sticks out to me, that gunner stretching a what should have been a single into a double gets up fired up. He's all into it and just so many professional at bats. But guys, I mean, that Saturday alone, they had 20 opportunities with runners in scoring position 20 and they were eight for 20 in that. And then the last two games, 12 for 31 runners in scoring position, you know, by far and away, Cleveland has the best bullpen and baseball. You got seven runs off them in both those games combined. I mean, offense was very, very impressive. Go back to Saturday and I'm putting it in quotes, the triple from Adley Rotchman. Big Christmas took like he he got tripped over his own feet, but it's for do go left and this guy in right. Yeah, but it seemed to have unlocked Adley because a guy who's been struggling for a month looked like a different dude yesterday swinging the bat, hitting the ball hard. Also, Jackson holiday looks like a different dude continues to swing a good bat. I don't know who this Eloy Jimenez is that that is hitting and she was going with the pitch and punching balls out into the opposite field base hits opposite field doubles. And Ryan Orton, if not for an atrocious umpire yesterday, the horse were nine yesterday, but they got punched out on balls that were a foot outside multiple times. And that would have been a basis a load of water. Yes, I mean, that was an extra run there. And Kent, Colton Calzer. I mean, it's an inning streak. I mean, Jason, you motivated them. I don't know about that. You're glad to see it. Oh, look. And again, it's it's it's it's hard to hit ground balls to the opposite way when you need to move people over. It's using the backside in general, and it's line drives Uber Alice. This is peak return to being a line drive offense. After long stretches, where it's been a pop up fly ball occasional home run offense. And that we talked about it with Cedric Mullins last week, that gap to gap approach line drive hard hit balls is going to serve you well. It's not about launch angle these days. It's about barreling things up and staying on top of it and going the opposite way. What's crazy is we've seen so many times and we've talked about so many times where Corbin Burns gets no run support. And he's out there. He's got to keep the game close. Well, yesterday, he got a ton of run support and had his worst outing of the year. Yet he still gets to win. And that's just tells you where this offense is. And quite frankly, guys, for, you know, the better part of a month that Josh Naylor three run homer to bring him with him one run. You know, that would have really got them, you know, taken back there, but they were able to answer back, fought right back and then get two runs in the sixth inning. So that was another part where it's this offense is clicking at this point where there were so many guys that, you know, were in prolonged slump where now you're starting to see all those guys really get at any concern at all. And I don't but I'm going to ask Kobe Mayo. He's over nine so far. No, this is you're going to have to live with someone else. This is kind of why we were begging for him in May, you know, when it's not every at bat feels like the weight of the world because you're battling for playoff position. Now you're always battling for playoff position, but like there will be times when he tries to do too much. But by and large, he is trying to work counts. He's seeing a fair number of pitches. And look, remote, you're still going to see a fair amount of remote. Yeah, and he's always going to be like, you're going to see that late inning. And if the approach does wane a little bit, we know that they won't be reticent at all about getting remote in these games. You know, even in the fourth or fifth inning, if need be question for you guys. And I, this is something probably we'll get into as it gets closer. But let's assume I read rock, kabakos piece of mass in sports this morning said they're they're hoping to have westward back mid to late September. What does this look like if he like who who's the guy who sits it when westward comes back because westward's playing every day. Well, these things have a way of taste. Yeah, they do as we've heard before. Yeah. But look, the idea like the whole they've got to play every day. And oh, if they're not going to see enough at bats up here, we send them down. If Kobe Mayo this year is what Heston cursed that was supposed to be last year in late September, right, which is pop off the bench in the right scenario. We flipped them around and we get them to go to a lefty. And then here comes Kobe Mayo trying to run into something. So be it. I don't care how many reps he gets a third base this year. That's another question for spring training next year, right? And and we work it out in the A games and the B games on the back. Right now, every scenario who gives us the best chance to impact this game and having that bad off the bench. Hey, you do what you got to do. Yeah, I mean, it's a hell of a problem. Yes, if it gets to that point, but like Jason said, I mean, who knows where this team is health wise when slash if Jordan westward comes back. But I mean, he's their more most consistent player, the most clutch player. So obviously you're going to want him come October base. We have a huge Monday show. Once again, we're a top golf here in Baltimore, coming down and see us. You can not try to outdrive our our PD checkbox. Who's here? Where did he go? Yeah, he's behind you. I felt like a million bucks. Yeah, yeah. I got Chuck. Yeah, I'm rubbing off on me here. I'm going to I'm golden. He's not using the business. I need to go make like six or eight bets because I got Chuck box winning power. But then he moved his clubs. He took him away from me and he's trying to teach me how to hit a golf ball. Do you get any better? I felt like I got a little bit better. I was at least hitting it straighter, but there's still work to be done. We have a huge show. Three o'clock Buck Showalter, former O's manager, an MLB network. We'll obviously talk baseball with him four o'clock. Raven's training can continues their first preseason game is Friday. We'll check in with Jonah Shaver from the Baltimore banner. Mark Feinstein from MLB.com and MLB network. Get his thoughts when other trade deadline went where he stacks these teams in the American League. He joins the 430 and our own Cordell Woodland talking Orioles and Ravens at five o'clock. Yeah, I will get an update from Cordell on what he's seen and heard this weekend. Obviously, this is a different week for the Ravens. Right. It's not a normal practice week, training camp week because they are easing into regular season mode as crazy as that sound with a game on Friday. So yeah, plenty to get to today as the Orioles get a much needed day off, but it's full throttle for us here at Topgolf. Or you'll start a series in Toronto. We got Chuck Bucks back. Yes, we do. 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Listen to and follow true crime news, the podcast on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. You said, I mean, really have to learn how to pitch when I was younger. Holiday deep to left, that's going to go off the wall. Schneeeman plays it quickly in holiday with an extra base hit. He's in a scoring position with a lead off double in the fifth for Baltimore. Jackson holiday pulled the hands in and yanks the curve ball to deep right field and it's gone. Well, Baltimore comes right back at answers. Now they lead four to two besides that first about where he was late to the heater. The guy even took some really good swings the rest of the day. So, you know, he's got a ton of abilities. He's going to have some ups and downs is a really, really young player. But it's great to see him swing the bat this way. He did the series. You heard the highlights courtesy of box and valley sports, great lakes. And then you heard Brandon high talking about Jackson holiday and Jackson holiday, man. Since the call up had the grand slam in the game in Baltimore and then multi hit games in Cleveland helping the Orioles win these last two. We had to base it off a class A in the loss on Friday night. He looks like a completely different guy than the guy who frankly looked overmatched when he was here the first time. No, this is this is night and day. This is the type of approach and impact that you saw from Jackson holiday throughout his brief minor league career manifesting itself to the major league level. And there's a number of things that have caught my attention. It looked like the sort of elongated toe tap was really affecting his ability to get the things up in the zone and just to get to velocity on time period during that first 10 game sample size. And the more I think back on it and Michael I believe is going to join us on Wednesday, it's something maybe we'll ask him about. I wonder if that sample size was so small that it was maybe them saying, Hey, we're going to try your way. You know what I mean? And we're going to see what that looks like up here. And then they wanted to nip it in the bud and and let's go back to Norfolk and refine some things, right? Because now you for yourself have seen the difference between dominating triple A and looking frankly overwhelmed at the major league level. So he's on time now. He's back siding the hell out of the ball and he's hitting the ball for power the opposite way, which we didn't even see pool size outside power the first time up, right? It was strikeouts and rollovers. So we've tapped. We've now seen him tap into that. We've seen him drive balls despite having a two strike count against him, which is huge. The confidence has to be sky high. And I still think the last piece of this is them unlocking him on the base paths in a way that we haven't seen to this level yet. But certainly we know he has speed and instincts to affect games on base. I just go back to the grand slam and where that it just had to feel like the weight of the world off his shoulders at that point where it I mean, he is so dialed in right now guys, 11 of Jackson holidays last 13 balls and play have been hard hit balls and a huge thing in the first thing compared to this stint, the whiff percentage is down 20%. The hard hit percentage is up tremendously. I mean, right now, the last five games again, that's a 4.6% hard hit. And that's despite him still being screwed by umpires. Called strikes that aren't even close. No, it's a joke. By the way, what impressed me? I think it was Saturday's game where he came up with a runner in scoring position, just punched a base hit to center field. Like that's a kid. He's not trying to do too much. He knows what the team needs and just punches a base hit right off the center field for the RBI. I've been so impressed. I will say this and I'm nitpicking here, but I'd like to see him catch the ball with two hands. Like this thing he's doing and he dropped one yesterday, but they're fortunate to get the guy at second base. But this often, I don't know. He's not comfortable second base. Like he just hasn't played there enough to be comfortable. But I hear you, but like at shortstop, I wouldn't like him catching the ball like that either. Just there's something about the way he does that that maybe it's just me. I don't I don't like the way he catches the ball. And I'd like to see him use two hands. But then again, I'm not a thousandth of the player that he is. Yeah, look, I think we're going to see that especially a faster guy to play. Like we're his timing, his all of sort of the things that will eventually become completely instinctual at second base. It's just not there yet. I mean, we're talking about like a 50 game sample size in the minors at second base. That is minuscule and just it's just not the same speed and not the same impact as what you feel like in the major leagues every time a ball comes your way. It's just different. It's something that quite frankly we're just going to have to live with for the season. But I can better own ground balls the second time up than I did the first time. But the big thing is, and we talked about this last week, Jason, they were getting no production out of their second baseman on the year. Prior to Jackson getting called up, there were 29th in the majors and on base percentage like 25, 25%. So let's ask this question. How long is he in the nine hole? Oh, look, I don't think they're going to mess with that. Because right now, if you've got him doing this at nine and cows are doing this at one, like I don't think they're touching that, you know, to get him, you know what, maybe one to two extra plate appearances a week. If you move them to seven, I don't think you're moving them higher than that. And he's not going to the one hole because yeah, and they don't they might eventually put Gunnar back there. No, I think if this ain't broke, you don't fix it. What I am interested to see though is on the defensive side of things. Now they're going to a carpet, right? Now they're going to Toronto, they're going to a fast track, right? We saw him get to a ball in this series and not be able to corral it and make the play like this is like don't be shocked if a ball or two gets past him that a year from now wouldn't because this is it's still very is that a nation stage here when we're talking about how much second base he's played. He's a 20 year old kid who doesn't have the experience that you would want at second base. It's going to be an adjustment curve. I am curious just as this goes and he seems more and more comfortable and maybe maybe they need to put a golden tee in the Orioles club house because he was playing that golden tee in Cleveland and it didn't affect his bats at all. It seemed like they got better. So maybe the powers that be put a golden tee machine in the World's Club house. Well, and in the like totally unfazed categories we talked about before, like so the Guardians are honoring, you know, they're their Hall of Famers, their team Hall of Famers. And so C.C. Sebastian is in there yucking it up with him before the game, right? And he goes back with him and he played with one of C.C.'s kids at one point time with him or against him. And then Tomey is coming in and his dad played with Tomey and he used to run around with Tomey. It's just that the ability to just have those conversations with those guys and pick their brains and they saw you're at bat last night and they're conveying information like he's a little sponge and there's a lot of people who gravitate to him and I just think that will continue to serve him really well as he adjusts to everything at the major league level. Yeah, I mean the moment, gosh, what his first spring training, how old was he? 18, 19 and we were kept wondering like, wow, he's still staying with the big league club. He's still staying like growing up in that environment is doing him wonders now. Orioles tied for first place with the Yankees. They're off today, start a three game series in Toronto tomorrow, but coming up next will switch to Ravens. And they have their first pre-season game on Friday. So a perfect time for a six pack. The six most important Ravens position battles that are waging right now at one winning drive will give you our list next here on the fam. The Ravens have their first pre-season game this Friday makes it a perfect time for a six pack, our six most important position battles that are occurring right now and then let's get started. This was tough to figure out. My order was tough too. But at six, I put the last corner and is it going to be Jalen Armor Davis? Is it going to be Pepe Williams? Is it going to be Trayvon Mullen? He is Lamar's cousin. Maybe TJ Tampa, but who's going to be the last corner in a deep field? Disclosure one that I wish was on here, but I can't put it on here because it isn't a competition, but it should be his backup quarterback. Oh, I got it. And we might get to a point where they do something that makes that one? I just don't think it is as bad as Josh Johnson might look. I'm not right now. It's not a competition. You know what I think of guards? This is my six and it's a two for one left guard right guard. You can find guys who can play guard. You're already now the six pack. They found guys all over the place who can play guard. That's super dumb. You're five. Yeah, five for me is, and maybe this is fudging it a little bit, five for me is blocking tight end. And I mean, does Collar show enough that he now pushes sort of the full back back to being a full back and H back, but not, you know, their preferred guy in a lot of three tight end sets, particularly when they're running. So, it is more about the development and evolution of Charlie Kohler, but I think the full back is reaching a stage where less is probably more and streamlining him can help this entire offense. So, does a blocking tight end emerge? This, this, this, I'll call it a competition for playing time between Ricard and Kohler. My five is, and we know Keaton Mitchell, I'm going to be there at the start of the year. So, who is the third running back? Is it the draft pick, Rashina Ali or Owen Wright, who from all accounts that I'm reading is having a very good camp? Who's going to get that third running back job? Yeah. So, this one was, I'm, I'm, I, I stuck with this at four, but it's one of these, it's a, two of mine are to be determined, but it's, it's an edge and it's a decent Isaac, who's not even healthy yet, and David Ajabo, like when Isaac comes back, who's going to get like, we've seen nothing from Ajabo even when he's healthy to tell me he's guaranteed a thing. I got that much higher. Like, does Isaac steal reps from him when he's back? Um, my four is, Detackle. And again, what I'm looking at here is not so much the battle to see like, which developmental guy makes the team, but is Travis Jones cutting even more into Broderick Washington's workload? Is he further marginalizing Broderick Washington? Is he further keeping Michael Pierce in a really sort of defined first down run plugger type role? I think he has a chance to alter the way that they have deployed their defensive tackles for several years now. And I think he has a chance to be somebody who we start to see with much greater regularity. So, whatever you, whatever you want to call starting next to Matabike, and it doesn't necessarily have to be as a three or as a five. We know how virtual Matabike is. That opens the door for this youngster to, I think, kick throw it. You guess a very different list. All three different. Um, I'm going to Ken just based on what I know. I'm in Edge being on there. I think the third running back is a very interesting situation. And I mean, gosh, that's all we're hearing out of Raven's training camp, how deep this secondary is, and they're going to end up having to cut a guy that they otherwise wouldn't want to. Six biggest or most important position battles going on at Raven's camp and Ben, let's continue. Again, I'm focused more on the top end of this roster and not, you know, who's player number 75 or, you know, 55 or whatever. 105. Yeah, which they've got about 105 right now. And I'm not sure how much of a position this battle is, but I do know that if Rosengarten doesn't look like he's up for it, it becomes a position battle. And I can't just completely hand it to them. And they have Patrick McCarry, who's the backup everywhere. They have Fa Lele, who I would assume will take some reps there as well. For me, the three is who's the starting right tackle on this team? My three is something that you mentioned, Jason, but you decided not to put on your list. And that is to be determined versus Josh Johnson, like nobody has seen anything they liked from Josh Johnson. At some point, they're going to have to bring in another because it's not the Leary kid. Leary kid's not winning this job. He's a practice squad candidate. But is Josh Johnson really going to go into the season as the backup quarterback? There seem to be other available options, whether Petaniel is still in the street or maybe a Taylor Hineke, who is the third string guy in Atlanta? Who are the Ravens going to bring in? Do they really, even though they're telling us they do, do they really trust Josh Johnson? Number two is Jason six that both guards, who's starting to guard? Is it worries? Is it, I can't even read my own writing. Is it Big A? Is it Ben Cleveland? Like they've got two guards? Is it Fa Lele, who they're running reps with at guard? They have all these options, which I guess they say they like. But I don't know who's playing. I think Boris has one of these spots, but who's going to win these jobs? My two is like anybody on the edge slash outside linebacker depth chart, not named Adafé Oé. Like I don't know what's there. I don't know that they know what's there. And I think this is a position group that we're going to be spending a lot of time. Frankly dissecting fake football games. Who shows what in these exhibition games? Can a jobo play early downs at all against the runner? Is that still abject failure? Like do they need to run out and sign somebody ASAP? There's just not a lot of there there. This has been my fetish for a long time. Who's behind Ronnie Stanley? Who is the second best option at left tackle? And is it somebody who you could afford to keep there in reserve almost exclusively? Or does it turn out to be Patrick McCarry? Who guess what? Is the number two everywhere? So it stands the reason by the time you want to or need to make a change at left tackle. He's already hold it down somewhere else. It's funny. Our lists are so different, but our ones are some patico. Who is the backup left tackle? Because they're not going to rotate left tackles again this year. I don't know that they're going to be as patient with Ronnie Stanley if he breaks down. So if that's the case, who was the backup left tackle? Yeah, I got Ken. I think quarterback. That's a big battle with you for the gender group. No one's here right now, but I am not convinced that they aren't bringing in someone else. And I think Heineke's a big one where you would think the Falcons are going to look to unload him prior to roster cut down. He's not making any money. We know that the Ravens don't pay backup quarterbacks. And I would have edge higher than you did, Ken. But guard, I think if it's one guard, I would say, but you got both open position. I don't know, man. They can find cards, man. They can find cards. They found John Simpson a year ago. They got they got an all world center. They can find cards. Hey, coming up next Raven's training camp, they're on the field right now. When we come back, we're going to hear some Raven sound from the weekend. We'll hear from Brent Urban. We'll hear from Travis Jones next year on the fam. Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, just being in the league is a privilege, man. Like every single day, you just got to relish it because, you know, you see so many guys in and out and just even looking at my class now, it's, you know, nobody's still around. So just, just finding your own role, just appreciating it. Like as I get older, I've started to be able to take it like a seat back and really just appreciate like how thankful I am to be here. You know, when you're young, you're like, nose is on the grindstone. You're just like hustling every day, you're stressed out, all this stuff. And now I feel like I can kind of be at a luxury to sit back and just really appreciate things each and every day. Brent Urban veteran defensive alignment for the Baltimore Ravens. And he's on his second tour with the Ravens, but talking about his career path. And I guess also talking to maybe some of the young players and just like lessons that they can learn from him because he's made an NFL career. And he's a guy that, you know, wasn't a highly graphic guy, but he's been a valuable reserve for the Ravens. Yeah, he understands his strengths. They understand how to pace him. And there will be a couple match ups every year where all of a sudden you see more Brent Urban than maybe you're used to and tends to be run heavy game scripts. And he tends to deliver also knock down a pass or a block again. I mean, it is, I think we gloss over it too much. I mean, to have a true NFL career to stick in this league for eight years, 10 years and to do it in the trenches is is no small test whatsoever. And let's face it, an organization like this and most organizations that are good at what they do, want to try to build from the inside out. So they're always trying to replace you. They're always drafting some defensive lineman and offensive lineman in the mid rounds and the late rounds looking for value. So, you know, hats off. They were able to run back the exact group that they had last year in terms of interior defensive lineman and Brent Urban played a solid role for them last year. I mean, he had a couple spline three sacks last year. And he's more of that run stuff. He's more of that guy that can knock down a pass as well in that veteran presence. And him, along with Michael Pierce, who we did not envision being able to provide that type of impact and availability. We're going to hear from Travis Jones in a minute. But before that, here's Brent Urban talking about Jones's potential. I think he's doing it, man. Like, you know, he's a guy like Justin to look at, you know, Broderick Washington, who works so, so hard. Like, he's up with them early in the morning working out. You know, he kind of sees the model of what to do. And I think you guys can see it like out in the field, you know, his, his, like, pass rushing ability has gotten so, so much better. The way he moves his quickness, his size, speed, just the way he thinks about the game now, you know, it's at a more mature level where, you know, I think he's going to take off this year. You know, I think he's done a great job and looked at those guys, how they've done it. And yeah, the sky's the limit for him. I think he's going to take a huge step this year. It's interesting. Every training camp, there's a guy that has a lot of buzz. And sometimes a Dafayo way, it doesn't translate into regular season games. But Travis Jones, there's a lot of buzz around him right now, a camp. Yeah. Again, I position group I had on my losing six pack somehow. I'm really, I'm really intrigued to see. I just think like the mat, like, let's not throw the meta BK comp out there. Like he's not going to make that sort of leap. That sort of leap doesn't happen in this league, not for any particular team. League wide. You don't see D tackles make that kind of leap. But maybe once in a decade. So, you know, Chris Jones kind of did it early in his career. Aaron Donald kind of came into the league doing it. But it, you don't it's not, it's not, it's nothing close to normal. But I think they are creating scenarios now, where he shows he has the stamina, he has the ability to wear with all to be more of a focal point of their base looks week to week, regardless of the opponent. Like, I think that door is open for him. And how much do they play him in the preseason? I don't know, like, I don't know, I don't know, he might already be too important to do a whole lot. That we could practice in Green Bay, I'm sure, you know, nobody be able to talk about it or report on it. But I'm sure it'll be telling. But yes, I think he has the ability to break through again, not in the way Matabike did first team all pro, but as one of the most impactful young players on this roster. Yeah. With Travis, with Travis Jones, for me, his next step in his career is his ability to push the pocket, his ability to get sacks, to get pressures in play. And you heard Brent Urban there say, like that, that's kind of where he's seeing him take a leap, you know, in this third training camp for him. We're always looking for the guys who can pick up the pieces from some of the sacks that have left, you know, departed during the off season. And Travis Jones, is this someone that could get you four sacks, five sacks? Can he get there? So let's hear from Travis Jones and the last segment, someone who sounds a lot like Jason Locken for, referred to Tyler Lindenbaum as an all-world center. He did. So let's uh, let's hear Travis Jones talking about going against Lindenbaum in practice. Yeah, going against Lindenbaum, you know, he went to the Pro Bowl last year, so he wanted the best centers in the league and going, going against him every day, going to give me better. Voorhees, uh, strong, he's strong, real strong, aggressive. So Amy, just going to keep working every day and make each other better. I think, and I don't pay a lot of attention to this stuff, but you know, Madden has their ratings and it's a big deal right now. I think Madden said Voorhees is the strongest Raven. I think it was, I think he's the second strongest in football, which is a leap of failure. It's for someone who has never played a snap in the end of quite a reputation. I think he had a 97 for strength. Yeah, yes. Like, do we think that's a glitch? I mean, I mean, I know he did bite. He banked really. Oh, yeah. Even though he's doing it with one leg, but I mean, yeah, I don't know. And, and will it immediately translate to game strike? Good for him. Let's hear one more before we step back because we've got Buck show Walter at the top of the hour of Ben cut 33 since we were talking about Madabike Travis Jones talking about wanting to model Justin Madabike's career path. Yeah, since I got here, Madabike been a big, a big role model for me. I've been looking up, looking up to him for the past two years and seeing what he did last year just gave me motivation to say I want to follow his footsteps. If he can be a reasonable facsimile, that would be great. But as you said, it's tough to have two guys have the leaps that they did. No, and here's the reality with what Madabike has done and their ability to extend him long term, you know, like, you don't even like, you don't even need that. Like, just as, can he be what Kalei is Campbell was three years ago next, but what Madabike now in the role of Kalei is Campbell and this guy in the role of that Madabike, you know, like that, that two years ago, I should say, like, that's, I mean, can he make it really difficult for them to take him off the football field? And again, they're going to because you're always going to rotate D tackles and they've got a lot of depth there, at least as it stands now that can change quickly. But like, is he someone who goes from being where does he fit in to how do we get him out? Because we got to get him out. Like, when do we get him out? How do we get him out? Who replaces him versus him giving a breather to other people? Orls get a four game split with the guardians they're off today, head in Toronto tomorrow, Orls and Yankees in a tie for first place with 49 games to go. Coming up next, we'll talk to former Orls Skipper. Now with MLB Network, Buck Showalter joins us next here on the fan. Trying to figure out what to eat for dinner yet again, with nor sides and bullion as you're not so secret ingredient, you can skip the drive through and do dinner at home. Nor taste combos provide a menu of delicious, affordable, and well-balanced meals that you can prepare in 30 minutes or less. 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