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Will Mike Elias swing big at the trade deadline?
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The new owners are very supportive of the efforts that we're going to put forth, and I think we're going to be well equipped to go in and look, but the market just hasn't revealed itself yet, and the distraction of the draft is still here, and you know, maybe things will pick up right after the all-star break. That was Mike Elias, and when Saturday it is now Thursday, the all-star game is behind. It's the draft is behind us. We are 12 days away from the trade deadline, a lot of rumors in Uendo, etc., going on on the Twitter as we speak about what the Orioles could or could not do. So, Jason, now I'll give you my thoughts after. Do you think that Mike Elias will make that big swing at the deadline? I think it's more probable than not that this year's haul, more closely resembles last year's haul than it does the kind of things we've been hoping for, and at least me personally, I've been I've been trying to temper my expectations because while I have very strong feelings about what they should do, I also have become increasingly convinced over the last three, four, five months, the more I've thought about it, that these guys have a certain way of operating, and I just don't think much is going to shake them or change them. They're playing the long game. They will always play the long game. Some years the baseball gods will shine on them, and some years they'll frown on them. But I think we've heard Mike Elias talk about the need not to be emotional, whereas I do think there should be an emotional quotient to his job. We've seen Mike Elias be very reticent to make significant in season changes. And we can talk about them being at a different point than they've ever been before because of the expectations, because of what they did last year, because of the first half, and because of their obvious deficiencies right now. But Gigi, I I hope I am very pleasantly surprised. I want nothing more than that. But I don't believe that he and his inner circle, Sigma Dell, and those guys, I just don't see them being truly all in to try to win a World Series this October. I've we've seen them at one trade deadline as buyers, and they failed. That said, and maybe I'm naive. I think they learned from what happened a year ago. And I think that they will make multiple moves. I don't know. Are you sure that they think they failed last year? Because let's start with that premise. Do you do you are you sure that they better? They better think they failed or do they think they're in better shape now? This is what I keep going back to. Yeah. But they've got all these cards they could play this year. Doesn't mean they're going to play them. But oh, okay, they didn't work out. But all we gave up was Cesar Pareto has yet to play a game for the Cardinals this year as bad as they've been, even though he's been great at AAA. Would you like me to answer the question? And Drew Ram, who's not up to reminding people, Drew Ram, and Zach Showalter a single-way pitcher. Frankly, I don't care what they think, because objectively, they at the trade deadline, if you're a buyer, you're trying to make moves that improve your team heading into the postseason. And they made two moves that didn't move the needle at all. So they failed. Like they, it's, it's, it's like, there's no opinion there. They failed. But they could say, is has drew, what's Drew Ram? Nothing. What's Cesar Pareto? I don't care. What's Zach Showalter? But you're, because you're you, but you're saying, I'm saying Jack Flaherty did nothing. Fuji did nothing. But they didn't give up. I mean, they held all their top guys, but still a failure. But it, but I'm just telling you how they think how I think they think they would say, well, wait a minute, but you don't know they think they think they think them. You don't know either, but I don't. But I'm trying to think like a normal person here. I'm playing doubles advocate. Yeah. They, they might be saying, all these teams want to joy or tease. And we didn't trade them there. And we waited to trade them till the off season. And we got the American League all-star game starting pitcher for them. I think they're more inclined to view it that way than to just say, well, Flaherty stunk and Fuji was a project we couldn't fix. So therefore we got it wrong. I'm not sure. I think they are prudent to a fault. And I think they would rather miss on the margins than swing really big, give away close to as close to you can get as sure things and then still have sleepless nights about whether we've given up too much, whether we've compromised our future, whether we've lost our depth. I can't tell you that's not what they're thinking, but I know they were in St. Louis and I know they were in Houston where eventually both those franchises made moves to take the next step. And I know they were a part of those organizations and knew that they at some point, if they wanted to take that next step, you got to do something more than Fuji in the general. I will be frankly, I will be surprised. I will be disappointed. I will be sad. What's it the levels of grief? I will be going through all of that. If we go Fuji in the general 2.0, I think like I can't guarantee you that they're going to get Tarek scuba because I don't know if the Tigers at the end of the day are going to trade him. But I do think they're going to make multiple moves to try to improve this team. And it's not going to be a project and a rental. I don't think. Yeah, I think they've told us who they are, but we've only seen one deadline. They've been here six years. They've had one buyer's debt, but I'm not even talking about debt. I'm talking about the what they believe in. But they just did it again. What's the biggest deficiency in this organization pitching? Did they go draft any pictures? No, they like getting baths. I'm just telling you, I think they are who they are. And they think they're eventually going to win their way and doing it their way will give them the most big bites at the apple. Every straight trade deadline, every hot stove league, every postseason. And I just don't think any data that you throw out there makes them waver. But all these pitchers getting hurt, pitchers get hurt. They know pitchers get hurt. What did they do? What did they do when all these pitchers got hurt? They did nothing because and we don't know what their doctors told them. But they and we had Mark Feinstein on the off season. He's like, they think that Calbrash can get through the year. They were wrong. I don't care what their doctors told them. Braddish Wells means all major, major red flags, wells are every year. And outside of burns, they did Suarez. No, they did nothing else. So I don't know, man. I've had all I know is we've had, and it's an interesting conversation, obviously, but we've had one trade deadline as buyers. That's and it was an utter and colossal failure from everybody's perspective. You think it? I'm not convinced they think it. Well, if they don't, then they need to rethink the way they think. Like they that that you like at the bare minimum for a buyer, the trade deadline is to improve your roster heading into the postseason. Did either of those trades improve their roster heading in the postseason? Well, here's what they would say. Were they able to go to a six man rotation and bring means along slowly because they added another starter? What could could they say that? I guess. But it doesn't answer my question. Did Fuji pitch a crazy lights out 10th inning at Anaheim at two o'clock in the morning? That went Seattle and Seattle but again answer my question. What they gave up for answering my question. Did it improve their team heading into the postseason? It did not. It did not. They could say it did. How? One guy didn't make the postseason rings. One guy didn't make the postseason roster. The other guy only made the postseason roster to justify the fact they traded for innings or innings. They gave them innings. Those are innings that they didn't have to force any youngster before they were ready to push. Look, I'm not defending them. I'm just telling you fascinating semantics argument, but they they could make it. Yeah. What did Johnny only say when we had him on? I know you like you and I don't think he agrees that this is what they should do. No, but he does. This is I believe who they are at their core because here's the reality and I'm not wishing for any of this happening. I'm not putting to put bad juju on anybody, but you know what happens? Injuries happen to everyday players too and maybe next year. Hey, Buster Posey got slid into one year in San Francisco missed the whole season like you you can't guarantee the Atlanta Braves went to the playoffs every year in the 90s. They won one championship like nothing is guaranteed. So you have to maximize your opportunities because you don't know what the hell's coming next year and I'm willing and you know how passionate I am about this whole thing. If I'm wrong and I don't want to be right. I want to be wrong. I want my read on them to be wrong. But here's the other problem. I know we got to move on. Yeah. There are some GMs who we know how they think. Their jobs are on their line. Their balls are on the line. They're willing to sell the future to win now. I don't believe Mike Elias is going to get to a point mentally where an an Alex and throw up and policy whatever Andrew Palski in Atlanta, where where an AJ Preller is, where the Dodgers are, like where Cashman might finally get the Broski. Yeah, I just don't know that he's going to ever see it through the prism that these guys are looking at. Therefore, not sure he's going to be willing to make the kind of risk that it takes to make to swing big. We have a huge Thursday show. We get started. Guess why's the Ravens training camp starts Sunday. Jess Reeback covers the Ravens for the athletic joins at 2 30. We'll chat major league baseball former player now Odyssey MLB insider Brett Boone at 3 o'clock. Jen McCaffrey covers the Red Sox for the athletic. We'll ask her how much she's buying with their selling at 4 o'clock. 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But the question I have for you, Jason, does winning the division even matter last year, the two teams that played in the World Series were Wal-card teams. None of the teams that won 100 games in baseball got past the first round they played in a year ago. I'm a little bit torn on this one. This is a really good road team. I honest, there's part of me that feels like as young as they are and as naive as they are in some ways, it actually would be better for them to be on the road a little bit like the pressure like, you know what I mean? Like gunner last year in that ridiculousness at second base. I don't think that happens on the road. You know, like, oh, we're we're we got to put on a show. You know what I mean? The place is totally packed. The whole towns go and nuts. I don't know that as an inexperienced postseason team that necessarily brings out the best year. So there's a part of me that's like, you know what, it was real bad here last year. Like maybe that push to win the division took something out of them. So going on the road, having a little less pressure. Okay. But there's like another part of me that's like, and they're and they're a good routine. Like, this is your home ballpark. You know it better than anybody else. And really for me, what it comes down to is like what we were just talking about. Do they do the right thing and go get some lefty who's going to be like a complete difference maker who fits that ballpark perfectly who, you know, you you just feel incredibly incredibly about. If they don't do that, then I'm not sure how much of an advantage Baltimore is. You know, if if maybe they're a little more left-handed than the opponent, maybe that plays in their favor. But I'm not that I'm kind of meant about it, to be honest with you. And I say that as someone who is from an era where it really, really mattered and the pendant chase was a huge thing and division titles mattered. I don't know. I don't think they think again, go back to what we think they think. I don't think they stress about it over there in the warehouse. I think they just want to get in. I'm sort of like you. I'm kind of torn on it because on one hand, just because of what happened last year in the first year of this new system doesn't mean that's the way it's going to go down every year. I think teams will adjust and home field and having a rest after a long season should be a positive. But on the flip side, not fixing the schedule this year. No, no, no. It's going to be janky again this year. No, I know. But I mean, like, I mean, not the legal adjust. I mean, teams will adjust and probably prepare differently to be more prepared for it. What can you do? But my thing is, we just saw two teams that got in last week of the season, get to the World Series. So we know it's possible. And as you keep adding more teams, it makes it more possible for teams with lesser records to get in. So I'm like, I'd rather, I want the division. But if they don't get the division, I still think they're a playoff team and still have confidence they can make a run. And I kind of think going in as something other than the hunted the way they were the hunted last year, and though they had never done anything in the postseason before, I think mentally that that could be a little bit of an advantage. I think I'm of the mindset that I don't really care about it until or unless, GG, they actually do alter the schedule. And this wild card starts the day after the season ends. You know what I mean? You don't get a day to travel and a day to like go to the ballpark and work out and all that, right? Remember the Rangers went right to Tampa. Right. But like, you don't get an off day afterwards either. Yeah. Yeah. That series ends and you go right to whoever you're playing and you play them so that the team who got the advantage of home field doesn't have to wait five days before they play a game. Yeah. Until or unless they make a course correction like that. I've kind of come around on it and maybe I'll be freaking out about the division if it's close down the stretch. But would you rather get in? Would you rather they not win the division? Part of me, I mean, it's hard to say in a vacuum, not knowing what kind of ball they're playing. I mean, if this were if this is a collapse, you know, like if they build up a 12 and a half 13 game lead and then blow it, I would want them to still find a way to win the division instead of completely, you know, tanking, but but the Rangers weren't playing great ball to end the last season and then they hit the they hit the playoffs. They lost in the last day, which lost in the division and then they're in the wild card now. Like, like it's and for lack of a better word, it's weird. Like there was no rhyme or reason as to why the Rangers were so good in the postseason. Except they made moves. Perhaps as I think they might say in the warehouse, is it somewhat random? And if it's somewhat random, then how much of any hand should we play or overplay potentially for results for any one particular pennant race? Because once you're in, it's kind of a crapshoot anyway. Now again, you get scuba. You got them for three years. That's more than one bite at the apple. But you're doing it out of emotion, fighting other teams for this player as people are jockeying for playoff position. My my hunches, they would rather sleep in their own beds and you'd like to have that advantage and you'd like to have the potential to play more games at home than other teams. Who knows, Gigi, maybe last year, if they lost a division by a game and they're going to wherever where they would have hosted Texas in the first round like Tampa did. So they would have still would have been yeah, they hosted if they host Tampa, the way they hosted Texas. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it would have been any better. I'm trying to find a scenario where they're on the road. Yeah. Now they could have gone into a mega slump, but Tampa had a better record than Texas. Yeah. And both who was it? Toronto. Last year, no, it was the year before where Toronto went to the Mariners. Yeah. I don't know, man. Um, by the way, we do have a couple polls. Do we not that I a one oh five seven the fan is where you can find all our polls. Make sure you give us a follow. As we do constantly like to poll, we do like to poll. The MLB playoffs can be a bit of a crapshoot as the Orioles saw for firsthand last year with the O's now in another pennant race. How important do you think winning the A.O. least or securing the top seed for that matter really is Birdland. Should it be a primary objective? 150 votes in, big deal, 55 percent, little deal, 38 percent, no deal. Seven percent. I voted little deal. I voted a little deal as well because I like on one hand, I want that banner. Like I want it, but I it's always great to be the Yankees. Yes. And Boston and whoever else. Yes. The other poll. Yeah. GG is pretty interesting. Yeah. This thing has flipped a few times and it's a lot of votes. Yes. So we're over two thousand votes. And the poll we put up yesterday with the Orioles reportedly sniffing around on Terrik Scooble as they damn well should be. Detroit badly needs a shortstop with bias, tanking Jackson holidays blocked at shortstop here and he's played just 38 games at second base in triple A. So Birdland, would you be willing to deal Jackson as part of a package for Scooble plus bullpen upgrades? Got to do it. 49 percent can't do it. 51 percent. This has three and a half hours left. The first six, seven hours of this poll, it was around 60 percent. Got it. Yeah. Overnight it flipped and it was over 55 percent. Can't do it. And now it's almost a dead heat. It's pretty amazing. Like, and I want to make something clear that I made clear yesterday. Like I'm only trading Jackson holiday for Terrik Scooble. Sure. Like there's, there's nobody that unless somebody comes on the market that I don't know about. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you're telling me like the, the ace of the mariners is all of a sudden available then, that he's got years of control, but no, I'm not trading him for Gary, for Gary Crochet. I'm just not. There's too many. Yeah. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't do that either. So you still have time to vote? Go to I probably wouldn't. Yeah. That's what I'm getting. Am I getting Lewis Robert? Am I getting, am I getting, you know, Gary Crochet and Lewis Robert? Now we could. Okay. You, you, you've, you've piqued my interest. Give me fatty. Well, now you really, yeah. You want to go big, big? Then we, yeah, we, there, I mean, there's potential. Yeah. Coming up next, Ravens and training camp. It starts Sunday. Jeff's read back covers the Ravens for the athletic. We'll talk football with him next year on the fan. Orioles are back at it tomorrow as they start a series with the Rangers. The Ravens are on the practice field Sunday as training camp begins and joining us to talk about a Jeff's read back covers the Ravens for the athletic. And Jeff, thanks as always for joining us. Can you believe it's already here football season? No, no. I mean, this all season seemed to go quicker than most. And, you know, obviously, I think they're reporting early seems like practice is starting a good five, six days earlier than last year. I don't remember the exact date, but yeah, I mean, I just kind of remember watching fireworks. It seemed like only a couple of days ago. And then now we'll be out there sweating. Well, some of us will and we'll see about you. Yes. Awesome. We'll be out there sweating, watching some football in very short period of time. Harb is a guy who generally seems to frown upon sort of deadlines or putting, you know, number of days or he doesn't usually seem to want to delve into those waters. So when he kind of threw out there that we think we could have the offensive line sorted out in the first two weeks of camp. Do you think that was just sort of him just, you know, saying it to say it or do you think that's realistic? Yeah, you know, it's interesting you said that because I agree. I was surprised. Because I've asked that question so many times over the years. Yeah. And usually the answer is, we'll know when you know, rush it. We're going to let all these guys compete. And that was a pretty strong answer for if they're if he thinks there's a decent shot, they know where the offensive line is before the preseason even starts and they start being able to evaluate game reps from these games. Then that pretty much tells you that they know who they want to start. They know who they want to, you know, so it did surprise me a little bit on that end. I think, you know, if Andrew Voorhees is a starter at the left guard, it's going to be surprised. Clearly the guy they want to do it. They think he's one of the most physical guys they have already. He kind of remade his body last year. Yeah, it's a rookie, essentially. But if you look at it, he was in every meeting last year. He's on the practice field throughout the year. So I don't think they looked at it as a strict rookie situation. And then at right tackle, they drafted Roger Rosengarten to be a starring right tackle. I mean, that seems pretty clear. And he's going to really have to show a lack of progress not to win that job. So I think those two spots, they have a pretty good sense of it's a third spot at right guard. I wouldn't even know who to label the favorite. You know, I was, if you asked me a couple of months ago, I would have probably been Cleveland were not at Liberty, discussed reps where in the various camps. But I feel comfortable saying there was no indication based on what we're watching that he's the leader in the club. So and then you go file a lay or, you know, and I think the situation is they want one of those guys to win the job. And if they don't, they know, you know, Josh Jones could probably be serviceable there. And if they have to play the veteran there for a handful of games that while the younger guys continue to develop, they could get away with that. So but yeah, I think the two, though, though I've been right in three spots available. In reality, I think it's one probably in their mind. It's more like one. Yeah, we're talking to Jeff's Rebecca's inside access here on the fan. The big free agent move they made was Derek Henry. We all know the story they tried to get him at the deadline a year ago. They didn't so they've had a Henry fetish for a while bones out, but I'll speak for him and I are more optimistic about his impact on this team. Jason's concerned about the wear and tear 30 year old running back. Where are you on the impact Henry's going to have? Yeah, I think he's, you know, I think I'm probably somewhere in between you, both you guys, I think he's going to be a productive running back. And I think they're going to be pretty pleased what they get from him in terms of what they're going to ask him to do. I don't think they're going to ask him to shoulder the burden that he showed her in Tennessee. I don't think that's in the cards. And they shouldn't. Let's face it at the stage of his career and what they've done elsewhere and where Lamar Jackson's at. I don't think they need Derek Henry to be dominating Tennessee Derek Henry. I think he could be plenty productive getting fewer carries and just what he's going to mean from being out on the field. But that's not to say I don't think there are questions. You know, it'll be interesting to see. I think it's one of the more interesting stories. Like, what do they do? What kind of play designs they haven't involved in? Are they going to say, you know, look, you're going to need to run out of shock and he's going to have to do some of that. Some of the things he didn't do in Tennessee, he's going to have to do some of that. But I'm all in on Derek Henry, the professional. I'm all in on him as the person. I think it's going to be a great fit from that standpoint. I think he's going to bring toughness, physicality, professionalism, all that. And so I think he's going to have a pretty nice impact that may not be fully sort of measured in the kind of stats he puts up by the end of the year. Well, to that end, Jeff, could it could it be that just his presence and his because they're keeping them on a pitch count? And there's the threat that, you know, he he is still vibrant that they might not even run the ball, right, as much as well yards per carry wise as they did a year ago. But his presence and the way teams have to defend them and getting maybe that defender sneaking into the box a little more helps them become such a better team throwing out a 12 and 13 personnel that the gains they make in passing efficiency outweigh maybe even if they do lose a little bit, even at yards per carry, because again, they've been running the ball at a pretty ridiculous clip for a long time. Like that ain't exactly been a problem. Yeah, no, I agree with you totally. I do think in a sense, they will save Lamar Jackson under center. They're going to be able to run the ball. I mean, we've seen that with, you know, those La. Latavias Murray and Devonta Freeman. We've seen Gus Edwards do what he did. We've seen Justice Hill get chunks. So they're going to be able to run the ball. But yeah, I think it's what else it does. How he, you know, the defense is going to have to honor his presence back there. And if they're going to go a light box, I think the Ravens will be or if people are going to go small on them, which we've seen in the past, I think their Ravens will be plenty content. Just say, okay, here's a heavy dose of Derek Henry. So yeah, I think it's gonna, in that sense, even if he's not the same productive guy, I think he's plenty of productive enough to take advantage of some of the looks that they may get. And he's going to be enough to force defenses to honor what he can do. And you know, let's face it, I mean, Jakey Dobbins has had his moments, you know, when he was healthy, just wasn't often enough. Otherwise, they just haven't had a guy in a while that I think scares defenses from a running perspective beyond the quarterback. Jeff will finish with this. How concerned are you about unlocking likely and Andrews together? Because that's one thing we haven't seen. And I feel like that's job one for Monk in this year. We do even Roman when Andrews out a year before likely looked good without Andrews, but when they're together, we don't see him. I don't know. I think from a must standpoint and from, okay, this needs to be a focus this off season standpoint, I think that's got to be high in the list for Todd Monkin concern. I wouldn't say I'm there yet only because I think in the last half season last year, I think Isaiah likely found another level. And I don't think we've seen confident Isaiah likely with a healthy Mark Andrews yet. We just haven't seen it. And I think that's going to be the case this year. So I think the Lamar Jackson has a whole lot more face than Isaiah likely after what happened last year when Andrews was down. I think the coaching staff have more faith than him. So I think he's emerged now. I don't think there's any question of what they have in him. So I 100% expect that to be a focus this off season. And then Jason brought up 12% now. I don't know how much we'll see that'll give stuff away this off season. How much are they going to show us? You know how that is. They're not going to want to give teams a head start for scouting for him. But when it comes down to week one, I think that's going to be one of the key questions. How much are like your's on the field at the same time? And I think they can be plenty. It is something they're going to need to figure out. Most importantly, is the tan ready for training camp? Because unlike me, you you like the sun. Are you ready for the daily stand outside? Is the base ready? Yeah, oh, it's tremendous right now. And I'm feeling really good about that. I'm going to make sure I'm well stocked in the SPF 15 suntan lotion to kind of accentuate that. As I always say, if you're going to work, you might as well get a tan while you're doing it. There you go. Yeah. My skin doesn't allow it. But that's just me. Jeff's Rebeck covers the Ravens for the athletic Jeff. Always great, man. Thank you. Take quick care guys. Look forward to seeing you in the coming days. Yes, sir. Thank you. We'll see you soon. Jeff's Rebeck always has a great job covering the Ravens coming up next. I put together some potential trades with teams. Jason, you will hypothetically be I guess you'll be Michael Iis in these in situations. I might call in Beltway Ben to be my Sigma Dad. Okay. And and you'll decide whether or not you I have multiple hypothetical trades here. Okay. And you we'll see if you would like these deals. That's that's next here on the fan. So we have a little experiment here and Jason, I will play the role of the other team and you my phone lines are always open. Yes. And I I'm willing to listen to any proposal about any player at any time. Now, here's the deal. I want you to think like you, if you were the GM, not trying to not trying to say what I think. Yes. So it's not whether I think they would do it. Yes. It's what I do it. Yes. You're not trying to think like they think you're trying to think like would you make this move? So it's like not a mock draft where you're trying to predict what they're going to correct. It's a mock draft when you're saying what they should do. Correct. And Pete Pritzko in case you didn't know invented the market. He invented this whole process and he invented this bit. So Belway Ben in this exercise will be your assistant GM and we'll see how we feel. So we'll start with one that we spoke about a lot yesterday. I'm the in this exercise. I'm the Detroit Tigers. I love Motown. Yes. And I'm offering and I said you want Eric Scooble. We want Jackson holiday, Connor Norby, Colton Calzer. We want a couple lottery picks. We'll throw in that Jason Foley fellow as well. Is is that a deal that you would want to do? Yeah. Throwing a little Fanta and a Lafayette Coney Island and let's rock. You can keep the little Caesar's but are you pushing back? I'm all in. I'm all in a Foley. Foley is Foley gets a deal down a little bit. So that's one we talked about. Now, now we head to the Chicago and the Cubs are the white Sox. I'm willing to do business with both. The white Sox, the white Sox. And I like their center fielder. This is the GM. I know. And maybe you want to add something here, but I'm what he says, I know you like Gary Crochet. We want Colton Calzer. We want Connor Norby. And we want Ryan Mountcastle. We also want you to throw in a lottery ticket. We'll throw Copec in the deal and crochet. Copec and crochet, Copec who's not done very well. And I'm not saying the clothes. Yeah, it's an interesting power. I'm no doubt about it. So you're saying Mountie Calzer, Norby and Calzer plus some sprinkles. Yeah. For crochet and Copec. I mean, what are you doing with Tommy fam? You want you? You getting them? I'm giving up an outfield there. And I got some other outfielders. I don't really trust. What's sick thing? I'm final moving Calzer. I'm very fine with that. But I think that's a lot for a guy that you're not going to get more than. But you're also looking down the line, we're going to have to do something outside of this. Mike, this is this camp for the only deal. This is sick talking to you. But this guy, but I mean, this guy might be our opening day starter. Actually, that's what I'm saying. We're going to come up with an off season program to build him up and keep him as a starter. You got to swing him this arm at the back end. He's struggled, but he's been in a bad situation. Dominant from the left side. Opens a DH spot to now that I'm. Well, I'm mounting mounting. We're going to take Kobe Mayo and put him on first base. Is that work for you? That works for me. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do it. Are we trying to win a triple a championship or what? We've done that. They won. They wanted they were boys were celebrating in Las Vegas last year. Nobody remembers. I'm the only schmuck who watched. We need to know. Let's go get the real thing. Was that Vegas? I watched it. Yes. Was it vague? Okay. I got another one for you. The angels are on the phone. Okay. He said, we want to give you Carlos Estevis. We want Kyle Stowers and Chase McDermott. He's a rental arm. That's a steep price for a rental. That's a steep price for a rental. I'm out on Estevis. I don't think there's not like Estevis. Yeah. There's a lot of there's a lot of bullpen arms potential. Much as people want to talk about how hard it is to make trades in this or that. There's going to be a lot of teams that are looking dump relievers and move a little salary and guys who aren't going to pitch in the clutch for them. That just feels a little steep to me. I mean, since the Stowers part of it, we, you know, we've got a building block there. I don't want to throw chase. If I'm throwing in Chase McDermott, I'm getting a little bit more. Got some more Oakland A's are on the phone. Oh, yeah. Said, you know what? You mean Sacramento? Yeah, but yeah. The ATF. Sacktown. I don't know what it's called. Yeah. Sacktown A's and the calendar. They're called the ATF now, whatever. Is that what that was? I was sitting there in the show. I looked at the schedule before I got in the shower. Yeah. And by the time I got out of the shower, I still didn't know what HTH was. Yeah, it's. I'm like, is that all like, I'm like, you know, it's not all-star. What is HTH? A-T-H-H. It's the A's. Yeah. I don't understand it. But they're like, you know what? We'll listen from Mason Miller. But we want Sam Bassio, Connor Norby, Dylan Beavers, Seth Johnson, and a lottery ticket from Mason Miller. Sig, I don't, I don't do it for me, man. He's still at the end of the day, a reliever. We're getting Batista back. It's a team control. It's controllable forever. Big Sam's my quarterback. If I'm giving up my quarterback, I don't know, Sig, I need a guy who pitches more than three times a week. Sig, how are you feeling? I agree. I would do it for a starter of Scoobles. We can go back to Detroit with that for Scooble, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. As much as Miller is a freak show, I also wonder about the arm a little bit. Someone 104 is really unnatural. He got the shot last year, so Tommy John. I know it's coming for every Pedro, but Tommy John's coming for him. A's also are gauging your interest in Lucas Ursig. He's a swinging miss arm. They said, give us, give us Kyle Stowers and a couple lottery tickets. We'll give you a Lucas Ursig. We can do that deal. We can do that. You like that one? I like that one. I mean, with the within reason on the lottery tickets, but yeah. Connor Norby, the blue jays are on the phone. Okay. Connor Norby and some lottery tickets for you, say kukchi. Oh, I want to do. I mean, that's, that's, that's the flarity deal. We, you know what? Who is it? Who is it? Is an anthropologist? No, no, isn't he? Alexander Paul is in Atlanta now. Yeah. Who is Toronto's GM? Hey, you hoser. Hold on to your loonies and tunies. Okay. If you, if you got somebody else who's coming to you, let me know the offer, but I'm trying to do better than kukchi. I, I, I can't. Raw seconds. Raw seconds. Raw seconds. I don't, I don't want to really, I don't want to go. And then look, you, we, we can talk, the president, right? So if you want to talk Norby, we can talk Norby, but I don't want to make that trade just yet because I got other irons in the fire for starting pitchers. I got even more. We're going to do this a little bit later. You like this? This is good. Yeah. We got more offers. 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