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The Importance of a Relationship Between a Senior Candidate and a Recruiter Part II
Dave Perry Interview with Dave Perry: Dave and Tony continue discussing the importance of the relationship that a senior candidate has to have with a recruiter. First Aired 6/25/24.
Welcome. This podcast is sponsored by the jobsearchsolution.com. America is only 60 hour program of everything you could possibly imagine about how to find a job. The jobsearchsolution.com has successfully helped more than 100,000 people find a job as fast as possible. The jobsearchsolution.com. We are back with Dave Perry here on the jobsearchsolution discussing a real important aspect of the job search, especially when it comes to getting a reference from a previous employer. Before we get back to that, Dave, tell people how they can find you when they need you and your newest product out on the market. The easiest way to find me is to go to perimartel.com. That's the website for my search business. A lot of information there for both employers and job hunters. If you're actively looking for a new opportunity, you should go to the website Work Insight. W-O-R-K-I-N-S-I-G-H-T dot I-O. That is a job board that I've set up with a friend of mine. It's now cycle through more than 18 million jobs in the last 18 months. It's free. It's free for job hunters. You can go and put yourself there and put all your details in. Nobody knows who you are until you want them. The anonymity is guaranteed. You can stay there forever. Recruiters can use it for free. Post jobs, find candidates. It's free. Employers can do the same thing. Post opportunities, find candidates. The anonymity on the candidate side is 100% until you as a candidate side. I think I really want to talk to them. Then you raise the cover and start to talk about who you are. That's where I would go. I was looking for a job. It's a great program and a great product. They called and said, "No, no, no. We really want to give the old boy a good reference. Is that what you heard?" It was too late, right? That's what I heard more or less. It was too late. It was when I told her, "You're lying," but they treated this so casually. They were the VP of HR. I was stunned. I read them the riot act, which I have never done. I've never sworn in a client. Bear with me here. I called them at their office, left the voicemail. I emailed them at their office multiple times. I called them at home at the voicemail. I called them on their cell phone left the voicemail. I texted them. There were no excuses. This was just pure ignorance or arrogance. I'll never figure it out, but I had to turn to the candidate and say, "Fierce what's happened," and the other ones are fine, but this is the one that answers this question. Without this question answered, I'm not recommending that we move forward. You've got to understand, folks. For Tony and I, this is months of work. This is hard-breaking. What did the poor candidate say? Oh, he was just beside himself. I had the whole, "There's so much you've got to do going forward," and I'm now actually in the process. Actually, it's a good question. You brought this up. I'm now in the process of recommending a really good book. It's written by someone in Texas. You love this. It's a book called Search in Plain Sight, Demystifying Executive Search, and it's written by Summer S-O-M-E-R Hackley, who is a recruiter. I believe she's Dallas, and she does executive search, but I've just finished reading her book probably two weeks ago, and I'm going to set in a copy to this individual, because there's a chapter. The last third of the book is full of, "Here's what to do to make sure you're showing who you really are to the recruiter and the employer," which is what we're talking about today. If he had read this, if I had read it earlier and recommended it, because I don't prep candied, if I want them to go and own out your L, he wouldn't have made this mistake, and we would have finished this search. You understand, folks, this is months and months and months of work. And poor candidate. He must have been beside himself. Did he ever call that reference? I have no idea. We haven't talked in probably three weeks now, and I really don't know. I'm on the search, and we have two candidates that were pretty closely qualified, and I like this guy the most, and we haven't closed on the other one yet, but this one's definitely out of his wheelhouse now. It's, in a sense, unfortunate. He's aware that they cost him the job. Oh, I mean, I made it abundantly clear. I mean, and by the way, folks, I was so upset about this. This is something I can be sued for, okay, and I don't care. I would love to take this person on in a court of law. Absolutely. It will cost them their job, and I guarantee you, if it comes to it and they can, and they can plane, that's the CEO of the company that they work for. It will end up on the phone with me, and that individual's career in HR will be over. I mean, seriously, this was, this was the violation of trust. It was a violation of what, of their job. It was a simple phone call they had to return, and I've talked to other people about what my concern was with this candidate, and they said, "No, there's absolutely nothing there." So this is just, maybe they just don't like this individual personally, and that happens, folks, and you have to recognize that. And in fact, when you're giving a reference, if you know you've had an issue with a boss or someone clearly doesn't like it because you're too smart or you're too pretty, you got to mention it to the recruiter. We don't want to be caught in the middle because someone is giving a toxic reference, and it does happen. People all of a sudden get this, you know, no pun intended, get this God complex and decide that they're going to teach someone a lesson. I've seen this. I've never been tripped up by it, but I have seen that. That's a well known thing. Yeah, it probably, my experience has been that it's just lazy, and rude, more than anything else, just rude, and just put it off and put it off. But they don't realize that they stand in the way of somebody else, and that's where it just, that's where it just, it's just unforgivable that you would stand in the way of somebody like that. Dave, you always make us think, wow, and really, and you've known me, Tony, I'm not going to let this go. I have never been so upset in my life. I get the amount of work that I put in. I don't care. The CEO, when I finish this role, and it's done, I will surf back and talk to this individual's boss, the CEO of this company, because here's my concern. If they were willing to be that casual with how they treated this event, I can only imagine the chaos that's happening inside the organization that they're responsible for because of their arrogance. That's true. And I'll make sure that I bring it to the attention of the CEO. You know that. Dave, you make us think, and we really appreciate it. Thank you all for listening, Christianity. I love you. Let's help pray for real, please. Pray for the unborn. Forgive an ass, forgiveness, stay humble. Take a moment today to be grateful. Pray for those who are needing work. Pray for our society. Trying this again for the JobSearch Solution. This podcast was sponsored by the jobsearchsolution.com. It's the world's most successful online job search program. My expert in The Trench's advice has been used by more than 100,000 people to successfully find a new job. So go to the jobsearchsolution.com and start today toward a better job.