[Music] Welcome to Fusion Talk. [Music] With a Nook and Steve. [Music] I don't know. Neither do I. How come you don't know? I honestly never thought about it. I think that if they're really boring you don't remember them. Yeah, I think everybody remembers a boring presentation. No, are you sure? So you go to a presentation, you go to a conference. There's 25 presentations a day. You've got a choice of 17 rooms. So you go to a presentation and you go, okay. This is boring and you take out your computer. You start working, doing other things. How many times have we all done that? Yeah, but that's why you don't remember them. Yeah, maybe. But you remember that you were at a presentation that was not interesting. Was not keeping you focused, not keeping you at the screen or with the story. I don't agree. If it's really boring and it's not interesting, you're not going to read it. Look, if I said to you, what was the last book you read that was really, really boring? The last book that I read that was really, really boring was a book of James Bond that I started and quit after 10 pages. Was that my recommendation? No. How can you not read a James Bond book? No, I've tried several. I start several of them and I don't like them. So I quit them. I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. I do remember them. The romance of, yeah, but you only remember it because actually it highlights because you've only remembered the first 10 slides. What presentation have you been to where you left after the fourth slide? All right. What concert have you been to last that you left halfway through? That I wanted to leave, but it wasn't not. No, we did leave the Michael Jackson tributi thing. Yes, that's true. That was a bit naff. But I think it's true. I think from a presentation perspective, you don't remember boring presentations, which is actually what the problem is. Yes. Even if it's got a really cool message. True. So what makes a boring presentation? I think there are many things that makes it boring. I think that some of it is to do with somebody speaking without any emotion of lifting their voice or going. That's one of them. Yes. But not only that, I think there are many different things that makes a presentation boring, not only the speaker if he doesn't change tones, but also how the speaker is presenting and what is on the screen and everything around it. It's just a completely story that needs to be told. All right. No, okay. So let's tell people how we got onto this. So you said to me the other day we were talking on the phone and I was driving. I was stuck in traffic. One of us is always stuck in traffic. Oh, I'm bored of the stuck in traffic. I know I'll talk. So you said, hey, I'm doing a presentation on Thursday and I need you to give me a tip or two. I need to make it a little more exciting. The content itself was cool because it's about prompt writing. The big thing at the moment. You're very good. You're very good at being able to choose presentations that are relative at the time. So, fuck AI. It's there. It does it blah, blah, blah, but getting the most out of AI by good prompt writing. All right. So if anybody went to the Belgium Bible event, you already know what a great presentation it is. But you were stuck because you had lots of really cool prompts. But no real way of making it fun. Fun is not what you asked for, but no way of making it interesting at the time. Yes. So I had my ideas and I had my prompts ready and I want to show them. But even then it was boring to watch. I found it boring myself to watch to the presentation. It's interesting because there is no one to dig into this a little bit more than we planned on doing was because we said the presentation is boring because of the boring voice. But there are so many things that if you get them right is a perfect presentation. And when you do that, it's great. Like Marin was over the moon a few weeks ago because he did experts live and he did the Netherlands and he got five out of fives across the board for his presentation. And I used to do the same when I used to teach for the US Army. If I got tens across the board for a whole week's presentation, I was so ecstatic. It was so cool. So I get it. All right, so but you have some really cool stuff in this presentation. I mean, the coolest thing you told me in that drive was I asked chat GPT what prompt I should write to get X, Y and Z. Yeah, what prompt should I write to get the result of our conversation we had? Of the conversation I had with chat GPT to start off with. So yeah, I don't know you're going to tell everybody about this, but I'm fascinated by it. So we all know the best way of using AI out and know that's not true. People know the best way of writing working with AI. You have to have a conversation. So you kind of have to start off. Hey, tell me the best restaurants in Antwerp and you will get a list of 25 restaurants or 10 restaurants, whatever, give me the best restaurants or which of these restaurants would provide me with the best Asian food. Do any of these restaurants deal with particular kind of stuff? So you have to have the conversation and break it down. So what you're saying is that when I've had the conversation, because it remembers the whole conversation, you say to it, what prompt would I have used to save myself 10 minutes having this conversation with you? Yes. It's amazing. And it's actually quite fun because I did it today for preparing for this. So I had my conversation with chat GPT and then I used your computer and I asked chat GPT, what is the best prompt to get a result we have after this conversation? I would like to have the two tables that we had and also our last conversation with some information and I write a prompt on your machine and it's not exactly the same, but we can say it matches for 95 percent. Yes, and it highlighted the problem with AI, not that you know what you've got, but you don't know what it missed because we were going to get onto these in a little while. We had five subjects or areas that we were going to reference, not that they're the main subject, but the prompt only gave you four back and you don't know that you missed something. At your machine it gives me four back with mine. It's the prompt, it's nothing to do with my machine. No, but what I was going to highlight is because I had the conversation more in detail, I have more information and that's... Ah, right, yes, that's true, I get it. That's what I was going to say, so yeah, but if they want to know more about it, I'm going to do this presentation another time, so they need to check on that. Yeah, it's a cool presentation, I was sure I'd thought of it. That's the first before we go... So anyway, so you had these 10 slides or whatever with different kinds of prompts on them and you wanted to make them interactive, so that was the first suggestion. You need to find some way to make it interactive, maybe give them a prompt and they can all put the prompt in on the telephone or on whatever their laptops or whatever, so that was one thing we got to, so that was a good lesson, isn't it? Yeah, that's definitely one thing. In the results, I'm not sure what it will bring up because... Now that's the risk, isn't it, of all of this? That's the risk. If you're going to make a PowerPoint presentation or a presentation interactive, you've got to prepare to fail. Right, stand up comedy, I've done stand up comedy. You can sit there and think you're about to tell the best joke in the world and then you tell the joke and there's absolute silence and you just have to bite your bullet and carry on as if nothing had happened. It's difficult. Yeah, true, and that's the little bit with the same thing with the interaction that I would like to have if I'm going to ask them to try a prompt because then they need to tell me the results as well. Yes. And sometimes people in the audience are a little bit afraid of telling something back to the one that is presenting over there. But I think interaction, the audience interaction with the PowerPoint presentation is key. Something you've learned. I mean, we talked about one of your presentations. I sat and watched you present. I should say people that I kind of do this shit. So I'm a Toastmaster and all that kind of stuff. But I also ask for it. Sorry? I also ask for it for feedback. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it wasn't me just telling you what you were doing wrong, who was looking at it. That's what Toastmasters is all about, just so that people don't know. If you do want to improve presentation skills and speaking in public, find your local Toastmasters club and spend a year there. And you go once every week or so and you will write a speech for three minutes, which you'll think is really hard. You'll think three minutes is easy until you stand in there. It feels like four hours. It depends on what you are talking. Sorry? It depends on what you are talking. But you and I are brilliant at this. So a lot of people aren't. No, but it's something that I learned when I did my MCT training. So we need to prepare for the speeches as well at the MCT training. And the first time he told me, write me, tell me what everything you know in two minutes about American football. But I don't know anything about it. Oh, Joe Montana, American quarterback for South Francisco 49. The next thing he told me, he told me was, give me two minutes of the same talk about everything you know about one of your hobbies. Yes, it's obvious. I agree. Yes, it's true. It's also depending on what you know and where you're interesting in this. Is if it is hard to spend three minutes, yes or no? No, it's true. And Toastmasters, your first speech you give is about yourself. You've got three minutes. Tell us about yourself, what your hobbies are, what you do. Talking about yourself is most of the time the most difficult thing. Not for me. It is for you. One introvert and one extrovert in the same room. But in the same evening, you'll also do improvisation where you have no idea what you're going to talk about, but you can just bullshit. Because it's actually that kind of session, it's an improv session. So somebody tells you to talk about, you know, giraffes and why they have a long neck. I have no idea, but it doesn't matter. You can come up with something because it's all about the ability to speak. That's what I'm best at. I love to the table topics, what they call table topics, where somebody kind of set up things like this. So that was cool. But anyway, you've got to go back to this. The most important thing though that you learn about speaking is those first words that come out of your mouth. Yes. And they have to go, I've got you. They have to be, it's like the title of the book. It kind of has to be something that will get them involved. And that is often something that people don't think about. Hello, welcome to this afternoon. And today we're going to talk about AI. And that's why my presentation will be awesome off. Sorry. That's why my presentation about bomb writing is awesome, because I start with, I don't like this title. Take every one of the phones and we are going to find a new title for my presentation. Brilliant. So interaction. And that's the conclusion we came to. And we start talking about different ways of how to interact with these people. Now, the thing that is so important, and we'll talk about your present. Well, let's do it now. Now, let's finish off by going back to your presentation about the conclusions we came to and what you're actually going to do, because I have to say it is pretty impressive. Yeah, but maybe before we go deep dive in the topic. What is coming up to us the next weeks in? Oh, yeah, that's true. What are we are going to do in the community and all of that? All right. That's true. Nothing exciting, really. No, we are just going to make TV, but for the rest of nothing inside. We are going to, with Marin and Nook and myself, we three are going to be doing live comms versus TV. You know, now I have to get this thing live before I go on Thursday. Now you've made me have to mix this down before Thursday. I have no time to do anything, but now you've made me have to mix this down. All right. So anyway, hopefully we will have published and gone live with this, which I guess I'm going to do before I go to sleep tonight. No, and otherwise people just need to watch the recordings back on YouTube. We will get it out live and for two reasons. Firstly, it's annoying the hell out of Marin because I haven't done our 365. No, no, no joking, joking, joking, sorry, Marin. Coming back, yes. So we're doing comms versus TV. So comms versus conferences next week. If you go to comms versus on YouTube, you will find all of us doing a lot of comms versus TV pre-events, but we're actually doing seven hours of TV, seven, one hour shows just to remind a nook and soon the look on her face, you went, oh, yeah, we are doing seven hours days live from the exhibition all. So I'm doing seven hours of TV together with you and Marin and doing an hour of presentation as well. Yes. So at the end of that, I will be tired of talking. What are you presenting about? I'm presenting about Viva Connections. Ah, Viva Connections, Viva Connections. Nice, yes. So we are busy doing that. I mean, and to be honest, it starts in two days time picking up the equipment and carrying it across. Summer break is coming a little bit more rest. And then September will be busy as again. Yes, yes. This time to redoing the one about business and development. Yeah, cool. True and in the meantime, I started my business the first of July. Misindependent. So crazy weeks coming ahead. Yeah, it's going to be so much fun. Simply as you start your new business and then you go on holiday, I think. I will be on holiday for one week, yes. Yeah, that's true. It was already booked last year, so got much change about it. Yeah, that's good. So yes, we've got some exciting times ahead and that's going to be pretty cool. It's all about MS Teams and we've got a whole bunch of speakers and sponsors joining each of the shows. Yes. And we're just going to drill down into all kinds of things. Do you know what I'm looking forward to the conversation with Kevin? Kevin. So I mean, we can discuss with him which podcast is the best one of you and Rainer Rarsh. Because he listens to all of them. Oh, we should say that. Hey, Kevin, get used to get ready. Get your answer ready. But yes, it's going to be fun. I was just about to say what question we should ask him, but then he'll be prepared. No, don't prepare him. Yes, all right. Get a fun out of it. No, OK, we'll look forward to that. OK, so going back to our interactions, what are the first things that you need to do is understand your audience. So again, when you're doing any kind of speech, because you have to deliver to the ears of the people in the room. That is so crucial. And that's most of the time the difficult thing, because you have different people in the room. They are doing different professions. They have different kind of interesting and different generations as well. Yeah, and that's where we started off when we was thinking about this today. I kind of said, OK, so there's a fact. One of those stupid useless facts that I know is that if your every designer of a theme park knows that your average person will can only last 50 minutes before they get bored. 50 minutes, five o' minutes. So if there is a queue for a roller coaster that is longer than 50 minutes, they are likely to walk away from the queue or they're likely to walk away from the park really unhappy, which is why you always have the clown on the unicycle at least every half an hour. All right, and entertaining people so that, you know, when they're waiting for that super duper, triple loop upside down corkscrew rollercoaster, I don't know anything about the theme parks, but I believe you. So have you lived at all? Yes. All right. Anyway, so yes, so I said to you, I have a question. What is the something like? What is the average focusing time for each of the different generations? So millennials, a baby boomers, etc, etc. And you said I don't know, but I know an AI pilot that does. Yeah, so I went to chat GPT and I asked chat GPT if we are talking about focus time inside presentations for every generation, there is what will be the different focus time that every generation is going to have. And chat GPT gives us a very nice table of it. Yes, don't even look at the table. I'm going to test you on it because you've been working on it now. All right. So first of all, how many generations were there? Five. Five generations. Can you name them? Baby boomers, generation X, millennium generation Z and generation alpha. Well done. And generation alpha was brand new to us both. Yes. So it's anybody that is born after 2013? Yeah. I wish I was generating alpha. That is so much cooler than old GIT. I am in generation millennials. Am I? I don't know. You're a millennial. Yeah. And you will find out they are quite asking a lot. All right then. So what we did was we distilled the information down. So we worked out what the average attention span was for each of those generations. All right. So starting with the one that gets bored the quickest. Five to 10 minutes. Yes. The attention span is. Oh, come on. This is why you need chat GPT because you have a memory as bad as mine. Yes. I can remember watching at the screen. Yes. It's the newest one. It's the newest generation. Yes. Generation alpha. They are quite bored, quite fast in presentations. And I think that's because they are still growing. 2000 they're born after 2013. So they are still growing. And I think that will grow with them as well. To an extent, I agree with that. I'm not disagreeing with it. But it's always been the case. So yeah, I don't. The generation alpha is 12 to 13 years old. Yeah. And I do think that for giving presentations, I think it's more being in a classroom for them than following the presentations like we will do. But if they have a fun presentation ahead of them, where they can do some things and work with new things, new technology, new items, new playgrounds, play toys or anything else, they will be happy with it. True. And everything comes quickly to them. So if it's a game they're playing, if it's a television program, they're all short and everything else and all that kind of stuff. Have you ever taught technology to people for children between seven and 11? It's the coolest thing in the world. No. Coolest thing in the world. Never. I've loved it. I used to be a member of Management Association and we wanted to teach schools. We had the school's education system. And I went to what was my son's school at the time. So it was a while ago. And we had a bunch of slides because PowerPoint presentation didn't exist then when I was allowed. But we had this thing on communications around the world. So like undersea cables and satellites and things like this. And I had a classroom in front of me of seven, eight, nine-year-olds. The secret, of course, is to tell pictures with your words. And then just let them go. And I started talking about laying cables under the sea. The fact that we connect them with real undersea cables and then the question starts, don't the sharks see the cables? How does the man make sure they stay on the floor? How do they, there was questions galore. I never got to the end of the presentation. I was there for two hours. It was magic because they're not restricted in any way, shape or form. Yeah. And it's about like the touch paper and stand back and let the firework go off. It was great. Anyway, but our generation alpha only have an attention gap of five to 10 minutes. All right. What about generation Z? We're going to work upwards actually. Eight to 12 minutes? Eight to 12 minutes. Yeah. Average attention span of eight to 12 minutes. Millennials, how long can you concentrate for? 15 to 20 or 10 to 15 minutes. 10 to 15 minutes. Yes. You get bored. Generation X, 15 to 25 and baby boomers. 20 to 30 minutes. Yeah. So each has a different gap. So as long as you know your audience. Yes. You can adjust your presentation to it and you can make sure that they keep their focus with how you do your presentation. But we are coming on there later. But the way you present something, the way you try to interact with your public is very important to keep everybody focused. And for one person, it needs to be faster than for the other one. But you can, when you overlook your audience, you can also see it. And you can just play on with it with your presentation because you know what you are going to say, but the other person doesn't know it. No, I agree. And it's not just about the subject. It's about the way you're standing in front of people and the way you communicate with them. And it's not just the words. No body language is as as important as the words and the way you stand there. So yes. Yeah, I do remember watching you do some of those early presentations of yours. And you went into the zone and presented. And you know, okay, just a second look, you've only moved three feet, one side to the other. You've got the subject out there. And thousands of people do this because it's nervousness, you know, find a way of breaking that down. But it's getting better and better. It's awesomely brilliant. Not at all. Absolutely. Practicing. Yep. Yeah, you'll nearly be better than me nearly. No, no, no. But yeah, just some of the simple things you now ask a question. Just stop. I once heard a vicar, a curator, priest, whatever you call them, whichever country you're listening to. And of course, they sit there and do a sermon every Sunday, the most boring part, apparently, of your church services, the sermon. But of course, those that really know what they're talking about. And one of them, his name will come to me in a minute. Maybe I can't remember his name. It doesn't really matter. But he said, the most powerful thing you have is nothing. Silence. Silence in the middle of a speech is brilliant. If people are not focused, they're going to go, oh, we've finished? No, no, he's looking. What's happening? Or she's not looking? Yeah, that's something I do when I provide training. When they start talking underneath each other, I listen, and sometimes I interact with the conversation because it's about the subject that I'm giving, and it's giving them more info about how it's giving me more info about the company, how it's working. But sometimes I just stand there and do nothing, don't say anything. And then they were surprised and they will. Why is this happening? And then they have, I have to focus again. Yeah, exactly. No, it's true. Asking a question, pointing at somebody and say, don't fall asleep in my presentation. That's often a good one. Yeah, asking people specifically their experience. So hey, I wouldn't have ever used chat GPT or how many people here are using co-pilot nowadays? How many people have done a prompt that didn't work? Yes, there's our questions that are coming in my presentation. But I do like the idea that get them going, get them open and co-pilot on them phones or chat GPT. Chat GPT, co-pilot, whatever they want to use, but that will be my first interaction with them before I am explaining who I am, what I'm going to talk about and what we will do during the presentation. And the coolest thing about this is that they don't know what to expect. No. So for them, it's as intriguing as anybody else. And also, are you going to write the prompt on a slide? I think I will have the sponsors slide, because most of the time we need to have a sponsor slide. And then the next slide will be the prompt. And then at the end, I will think for the sponsors, just go directly into the question, to put out the phones and save the problem. If you said there, say, look, I don't like this slide, so why don't you open up your phones, go to co-pilot or chat GPT and request a new slide, a new title for this presentation. And then they're all going to have a different one. But then put a prompt up that they should all put in and see them what, and then they will think, oh, I wonder if everybody is going to have the same results. And we already know that it doesn't quite do the same. But that's cool. So a good strong opening statement, a good piece of interaction, let them get excited about where they're at. And then it doesn't really matter what generation they are. No. You're already starting to break and break the cracks down. It's the same like another presentation I started off with. Everything you learn here today, you can start working on because it's free. Yes. And then you have everybody's attention as well. Just because, yeah, most of the time you have the attention because they know that you can learn something that they can use, that they can work with. And depending on who you are in your company, it's free. It's for many managers, a nice thing to hear. It's a nice thing to hear, but for me, I would never ever, I mean, if you've got six presentations to go to on a conference in a day, I'm not going to remember off the things I can do. But knowing that it is there is one thing, but it would keep me interested that I do not know. But it is making something personal. There's no doubt about that. But everybody is different. There's no doubt about that. All right. So we know there are different ways of making something interactive. Yes. We certainly is about the way you look and where you stand. I love walking into the crowd. So I would do the presentation and I would walk into the middle of the crowd and I would do the presentation from the middle. I once did a whole training course once, because of the length of the cable for the projector, I was literally like a commando, like Star Trek captain's seat in the middle of the classroom. It's awesome. That's very nice to do, but like most of my presentations have live demos. So I need to be. Yeah, you insist upon a live demo, don't you? You like a live demo. It's a personal thing, though. It's not for your audience. You do it because you enjoy doing it. No, I get it. I do understand. I absolutely understand. I kind of like the power of the word rather than the power of the demo, but that's just me. But I do different presentations to you. I'm on the business side. You're on the techie side. So don't get that. All right. Let's go back to our generations then, because basically we kind of know what our audience is or we don't know what our audience is. So really you need to encompass all of these things about those so that you're effectively keeping everybody happy for at least part of the time. Yes. And that's the big struggle because the generations do like other kinds of presentations. Okay. Are we going to do them in the same order? We went through them shortest to longest then? Yes. So generation. I don't know them by heart. I need to check. Now we've had the fun and we've had the opportunity to embarrass you a little bit. So generation alpha. So it's anybody basically after 2010, I guess? 2013. 2013. That was the other thing you see. I look at that date and go, why? I don't know. I think it depends on when they start naming the generations like that. Maybe that's something we need to ask for a JPT afterwards. Yeah, we'll have to look at that one though, because generation alpha also assumes it's after 2001, like, you know, after the millennials. Yes, but the generation Z. And was it? Oh, God. Yes. All right. Well, anyway, let's talk about what we need. So for generating alpha, very short attention span. Yes. And they want more technology driven presentations. So the live demos are good for them. They like live demos. I guess that's true. Is that it? Is that all they need? They have a little bit of mix of everything of the above in our mind map. So they want to have participation, the live demo, the gamification, all of those kind of things. Well, keep your in today. Stand up a little bit, or be that's what it should do. And no, no, that's cool. So they like interaction. They like technology. So if you've got Slido on their phone or polls or that kind of stuff. And I think also because more technology driven because they grew up with it. Every day. They don't see anything else than the technology we have at this moment. And it's so fast changing the technology so that they want to try to keep up with it. Yeah. All right. So that's generation alpha, quick moving, jumping around from beginning to end and then taking it there. Cool. Next one is generation Z. They like to play games. They like to play games. What? Human games lie to you or games games? Games on technology tools like Xbox, PlayStation, computers. So they want their presentations more gamified. So there needs to be something from the games in it that they, I do think if you do is gamified for them, they have a better understanding of what we are trying to say. So you do in your AI prompt that the start is for your generation Z people. So you better tell them for your generation Z people, we're going to do something interactive. You're going to play game guys. Open up your copilot and away you go. Yes. Neat. All right. Good, good, good. So but they're basically the same, aren't they? Because technology driven gamification, they're going to be fairly well covered. So that's good. All right. Then we have the millennials that everybody takes the piss out of. I don't know why. Oh, you're a millennial. Yes, I am. You are a millennial. Because maybe we, if I see the mind map like this, most of them have two, one or two things they like, but millenniums have four of them. So maybe we just ask too much. Go on then. Speak about, tell us about yourself. Then what are your four areas in terms of being an audience member? Being in an audience, then I will speak at my own experience. I don't like a lot of text on presentations. Give me the visuals. Give me some pictures or melting me or just small videos or something like that. It's telling me much more than all of the text on it. So you want stories? Yes. You want emotion? Yes. So the visuals, the stories, the emotion. So that's actually all three of the four items that we have on our mind map area in front of us. And also being a little bit part of it, giving the interaction with questions, the answer, being able to tell what you think about the subject and getting out of that. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, storytelling is important in the presentation anyway, regardless of just for millennials. But it's also the prime age group where most of the presentations we do are in play. Yes. So around that 30 career development, kind of moving on, understanding the technology, seeing the value of the technology. So storytelling with good examples and the value and the benefits that people have found. So that kind of makes sense, I suppose. So do you like the gamification and the technology driven stuff in a presentation? The technology driven stuff, yes, the gamification is not really because I've never been a gamer, a lot of it like that. But you're apparently millennial? Yes. So not all millennials are the same? No. Apparently. But gamification is for the other generation. That is true, actually. Yes, I'm sorry. Yes, I dropped. I dropped. I thought I made the insult without really thinking that one through. But even then, most of the time people think when you are an IT, you are focused on are you happy with playing games? It doesn't work for me. No, normally either, quite frankly. Board games, yes, but it's not kind of games that you are talking about. Or we need to do a presentation where we can have a board game with us. Been there, done that. Spent a whole weekend once and we based it around a board game, it's quite cool. So then it will be fun. Yeah, it was a conference based on a board game. Yeah, you did also something with younger? Yeah, we did. We did younger on the workshops. So that was quite fun. Well, we could have made more of it, but we didn't, we'd run out of time. But that's okay. All right, so that's millennials then. Also, having these labels is not very politically correct, is it? I would say no. So yeah, let's just cancel this whole podcast because that's what I was thinking about. Podcasts, but we'll come back to that in a minute or two. All right, so Generation X, which I think is the coolest name, I want to be Generation X. I like Generation Alpha as well, but that's just because I want to be young again. I don't think I'm any of these either, by the way, am I? You are a baby boomerama, if I'm correct. That's because nobody went back far enough. They just went back as far as the 70s and they say anything before the 70s is a baby boomer. 1946 until 1964. I'm just a baby boomer then. Only just. Anyway, so let's do Generation X. So, visual aids and interactive. Yeah, I mean, they like to talk. True. Especially that generation, if you think about the 60s and 70s, it was the telephone era. It was all the telecoms companies were putting telephone lines into every house rather than every fifth house. So yes, the age of communication, the age of a query, communication, yeah. Yes, so they grow, that's what they've been seeing growing up with. So they like pictures, they like to touch and feel stuff, that kind of thing. No, that's good. This is one I created earlier. You see, you don't know that reference to you. Everybody in the UK knows that that's Blue Peter. You've never heard Blue Peter. Blue Peter was the longest running television show for children. I think the longest running bit, but they used to do these things where they turn a cornflate box into a Thunderbirds landing pad and then they would sit there and build the model, but of course, you can't really spend 25 minutes building the whole model on a program that's only 30 minutes. So they would say, and this is one I created earlier, and then they would just pull one from underneath. It became a bit of a catchphrase. No, this is one I did earlier. They don't know that. Visulates. So what visual aid are you using in your presentation? Your own everybody's mobile phone, I suppose. Hey, you can try it on your phone. Mobile phones, but I, yeah. No, that's cool. That's cool. I'm not going to say it. Yeah, maybe I am. We are going on a treasure hunt. Are you going on a treasure hunt? Yes, we'll come back to that in a minute. That is true. You're game-yifying it. Yes. Yeah, we'll come back to that. All right, baby boom is then just to finish off. What do you think it's important in our presentation? Because now we are in your generation. Okay. I mean, I've looked at the list. I saw the first one, which was structure. I'm a bit weird though. I don't know how a typical baby boomer. But that's all right. For me, though, it is about human interaction. All right. If I go to anywhere, if I go to a strip club, I want the stripper to look at me in the eye. So it feels like, hey, this is an interaction with you and you and me. If I want to go to a presentation or a speech, however good they are, some point they need to look at me. I mean, we're sitting here in the same room doing this podcast and we're looking at each other, reading each other's body language, waiting for somebody to do, oh, yeah, you want to say something I can tell. So I think the body language thing, the contact is really, really important. What is on the list? So the face-to-face, it's what you try to explain now. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that works. I mean, I had a meeting today with my finance guy and we did it on Teams, which is the same for me. If he hadn't turned his camera on, though, it would have been a different kind of conversation. Yes, and doing them online instead of standing in front of room, it's a little bit different. Yeah, we've all been there. But because if you do them in a room, face-to-face, you can read the body language of the people in front of you as well. You can see if they're still interested or not, and you can change the way you try to bring something immediately. And if you have a Teams conversation, you don't see that. I can't remember what the new figures are, but what percentage of your communication is not part of your speech? I don't know. Eighty percent. Eighty percent of what you see is actually part of the communication. So that's why the really good managers, for example, on the old days of telephones, used to actually be able to read people on the end of the time, I'm incredibly good at knowing people. And also texting. I know when people are upset, or when they're sad or happy, all right, and you know, because I often call you out on it. So you're okay. I'm fine. Yeah, yeah, I know you're fine. No, but it is true. And I think my generation were able to do that because we went through it. Whereas older generations, they go, well, I, you know, I think the people that's been going from office working to home, working inside the pandemic and everything has also developed new skills about it to be more comfortable with it, working with it. But even then, I like face-to-face for forgiving presentations and all of that. You don't like what? I like face-to-face. Oh, you like face-to-face. You don't like. Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. I think that the real in-the-room presentation, because it's not just about the person presenting, it's about the people around you as well. Yeah, and the setting. Have you ever tried just for fun? It's hilarious. Well, it's not actually interesting, where you just start applauding something and then watch everybody else around you start applauding too, and then it will spread around the hall? No, didn't try that. Because you don't have the courage, do you? I will let you do that next week. Yeah, but equally, that courage gets me into trouble, like, whether we were walking down the road the other day, and I shouted at somebody, because they papped their horn at me, and yeah, I went overboard. And I think if you have the courage to do that, you have also the courage to sort of be more interactive. So, go back then to our interactive presentations, and we are going to talk about your treasure map that you're going to do in a minute or two. I think that if you take something from every one of these into your presentation, and it sounds obvious, but you're going to win. You have to win, win in some ways. So, even if Alpha has only got an eight to ten minute attention span, then you need to talk about, if you've got a 45 minute presentation, you need to talk about four or five different areas, or different types, or different aspects of the technology. Yeah, and if I go back to my presentation, then I have the face-to-face, because it's a live presentation. I have the interaction, because I want them to participate in the prompts. I have the visuals and participations as well, because that's what we are going to do. I gamified it a little bit with the treasure hunt. Even if you don't like it. And it's about new technology that we all use. It's all encompassing. It's a magic. This is a number one billboard item. Now, it was pretty good, because we sat brainstormed around how we could do this, and eventually we came up with pirates. Where did we come up with pirates for? I was saying I would like to do something like a treasure hunt, and then you say, "Oh, you need to bring in pirates in there." In fact, the way the conversation went now, I can remember this was, "Look, why don't you get chat GPT up and tell it to create an island with items on there that you can create treasure from, and it created you an awesome image." So, you've got a treasure island with big red crosses all over it. And a way to get there, and you can follow in. Dotted lines, eggs marks the spot. Yeah, and then, of course, every time you click on one of those, then somebody will give you a different prompt. So, rather than having 10 slides with 10 bullets in there, with 10 prompts and explaining all those prompts, you basically now go and click on a cross and see where the treasure is. Yes. And the treasure, of course, is a way of creating an awesome prompt. And I'm not going to go from number one until number 10. I'm just going to ask the audience, which number do you want to have? Yeah, because he doesn't matter, or are they coming? Yep. Now, I think it's brilliant. That was great. A lovely bit of collaboration via telephone that was. Yes. And then, on every slide, I have a pirate seeing with this back to the map. Yeah. And I mean, I've seen the slides here at presentation, because I think you set them, did a video of it, to sort of show me flying through it. It also gives you a theme, and there's continuity, because now you've got all these great GPT-generated pirate themes on the slide. And telling me, everybody, she's looking so smug, it's unbelievable. She really is proud of this presentation. It's going to be so cool. And hopefully, I'll get to see it, but I've got a funny feeling that I'm not going to be able to go. Next time. But I'll catch you at some point. So there you go, really. I think that... Yep. So if we go back to presentations in general, if you need to follow a session, and you need to follow a presentation, what will be the best presentation you would see? What needs to be in there? So that's interesting, because I was also, I will come back to that question in a minute. I was also, "Oh, I'm going to have to get me zapper out with some flies in the room." Sorry, I distracted again. See, I get distracted easily. Yeah, I don't have a structure. I'm not a structured person. What needs to be in there? But I was also thinking, "How do you tell people it's interactive?" So nobody knows at this point in time what you're going to do. So that appeals to you, because you're going to get surprised, but if you want to build your audience, then maybe you need to tell them in future. Yeah, it was a little bit last minute, but otherwise you could put something on socials, like, "Hey, guys, if you are there following this presentation, this will be a presentation where I need your input." Yeah. So anyway, you asked me the question about what I feel makes a great presentation for me. And I start up by what makes it a bad presentation, because then I think we can do the reverse. So if I've got to slide number three or four, and I don't know what they're aiming for, then I'm already starting to turn off. So that opening statement about what I'm going to learn, what I'm actually going to see, what a question that's going to be answered at the beginning is kind of key. So it's a little bit like the other way around. So we're currently reading a same series of books, and you're ahead of me, and you soon went, "Oh no, so-and-so's died." Or, "No, does so-and-so die because they just had a car crash?" And so that, to me, is how a presentation should start. So the opening statement should say, "I now want to know what's going to happen next." And I think you developed the habit, then, of waiting what's happening next. So yeah, every slide needs to be having a little bit of cliffhanger showing what will come that people say interested. So now we're at this page on the demo, even if I'm doing a demo. Now with this page on the demonstration, then I need to click this area here. And what do you think that will do? You know, I'm now interacting, and I've kind of asked that question, and I said, "Okay, let's move on to the next slide and see what the implications of that are." That's maybe another question. Do you ask interaction on every single slide? No, no, because that means you're not presenting, you're being a quiz master. It's a quiz. There can be something as too much interaction. Well, I think anything is too much of anything. Maren and I do a lot of, well, a lot of, we like to, and we've done a few workshops, and we don't do techy workshops. We do sort of business-y kind of workshops, change and governance and stuff. And we often have different kinds of modules. So one of them, we know the ones we like most are the ones where you've just got eight pictures, and you then talk about the picture and you talk about a subject where it's relative to. And by them making the pictures visually attractive, you're stimulating different parts of people's mind. You're not just saying, "Okay, let's talk about this individual and the process and how they get somewhere now." You're talking about just very high level, but the picture behind you is actually stimulating their mind. So not everything needs to be interactive, but it does need to be stimulating. Yes. Completely agree with it. Yeah, that's cool. All right. So there you go. So you, the end result of our little collaboration, the end result is that you have a possibly over-interactive presentation, which we'll find out afterwards. But it all depends how you put the wording and instructions and depth into each slide. I'm not cool, because I too was aware about it could be getting too much. So they need to get their phone out at some point of times, but not on every single slide. Yeah. And I have my prompts, my good and my bad prompts. They will be ready, they will be shown. And there will be more sometimes also the question. So this isn't a good prompt for this kind of subject. Do you understand why? Do you know why it's a bad prompt? More also that question than they all running the prompts, because then it will be running out of time. Yeah. Yeah, now I'm saying that. So there you go. So you have a presentation that's got interactivity in it. You've got presentation that has got demonstrations in it. You've got presentations, you've got some great starting questions. So what are you finishing with? What's your closing message? Because as we come to the end of our podcast, what is your closing message? And then maybe we need to give our podcasts closing message. The closing message with my presentation will be there will be 10 tips about prompt writing. Yeah. But most of it, the closing message will be don't see it as some kind of tool, but to an interaction like you should do with a normal person. Because then you will get more feedback and you will get better results. And following this little 10 steps about what needs to be in a prompt, how you need to write it, how you need to formulate it, will give you the best results there can be. Okay, nice. So as we come to the close of our podcast, what are key messages here? The key messages for our presentation is know your audience. Know your audience. So know who you are, who you have in there and interact on the moment of time. Don't do your presentation like you have planned it. You can always change during your presentation. You know the subject, you know what you are telling. You can change things, little things, not the words or the pictures on it, but well, why you are telling about it. It always adjusts anyway. So yes, understand your audience, make a judgment call, find out who have a guess of how many millennials in there and how many. And don't be nervous about identifying your generation alpha and speaking to them directly every five or 10 minutes because they are going to get bored and then speaking to the millennials, play one off against the other, ask them a different question, knowing you will get a different asking the same question, knowing you will get a different answer. That's cool. I also think you should always come back to where you start. So you are going to talk about that prompt, then you should be finishing with a prompt. If you are talking about a goal that subjects, then you should also go back to that goal and subject. So in our case, we started off with, you know, your most boring presentation that you have ever been to. And of course, if they listen to this podcast a couple of times, take some ideas around where they are going, then their audience will never, ever have to listen to a boring presentation from you ever, ever again. Yeah, that's what we try to call. That's a call for all of us. It is, yeah. And on that note, it's a goodbye from me. And a goodbye from me. [Music]
