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The Start of Trunks
Well, welcome to the Vites us by the podcast. What the fuck up for you? This week we're talking about track about chapters 3 31 to 3 40 or if you're me 137 to 146 this week I'm joined by as you heard before Ryu garden salesman There was no garden the soul today Elle huts and they call him the sick boy Me that was bad as always bit of a messy intro, but we ride anyway, so But most episodes just not today because you talked through me Anyway, I want to start this one off actually because I had a thing because from last episode I really you took a couple shots until you thought was gonna be like showing up We showed up at the end of the last episodes or the chapter and Because of that because I didn't know how long it would take for us to get this information I started off my notes with trunks. Wait shit. I can't call him that mystery saying Mystery saying oh, it's on back when we had the same thing like a while back Like all the way to like the attention because we had like oh, we have roshy I don't know who you're talking about bro I have several notes For like I don't know if we'll get to the point when I talk about the time travel So I'll just have this for a future episode I'm glad this like whole time like trunks everything got cleared up in these chapters because I would have been annoying to be Dealing with next week as well When I saw his face I was like, oh that's trunks. Oh, you know, I knew yeah What do you know about him in this like upcoming section then if you know anything From like I think he has a key sword. That's the only thing I really know besides what I know from him now Yeah, it's not a key sort I believe like he made a sort out of key. I think like a blue I think but that's the only thing I know like it's I remember that very vaguely like a blue blowing sword But that may might just be this sword which is like infused with key. I don't know That's generally all like when I saw a sword. Oh, that's that's and thing and then I didn't know much besides like this shit Thanks playing I was like mm-hmm like I knew that his name was trunks that he came from the future So like when you before you all told all that I was funny And then it was funny to pickle. I'll just listen and the trunks didn't know that pickle had a better hang Which fair he didn't like sorry trunks. There's an elf here bro. Really crazy. Yeah, but trunks never met pickle Yeah, he was dead like in that battle. He was a baby like five months old So he wouldn't have like six months. He would never have a mad pick Let's pick a lot die in that battle originally cuz I don't got to wax and with the androids, right? It's like the throat was coming so yeah That's kind of fun. Also producer you wouldn't run Well, you were wrong about the person but Goku did have new drip, so I was wrong because he just said the person at the end of the chapters is going to be Goku with new trip and it dripped it wasn't so for context y'all like our produce circle I like he did a prediction as someone who hasn't seen or anything from bang one's only heard us talk about the series He said that the mystery person who we saw which ended up being trunks was gonna go cool with new trip He doesn't get points for Goku showing up after that But but we did say The planet hopping did happen. Yeah, the what which the plan hopping Goku plan hopping not as much like pretty tip But he planned it but yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll play it I mean from what plan helping him in like yardic and another plan of all plan and then and to earth like like Bouncing with implants holding his breath. So different than what I thought. Yes. I Want to say that you actually you were like, oh, that was the back to the back of the future drip So that was that was pretty Yeah, it's been nice. Yeah. Yeah, because you got that you got the I got the shoes Yep, yeah, that was right. Okay, so I actually remember like I started off with mystery saying but I do like trunks Did you like generate a lot of hype by turning into a saying? Mm-hmm there cuz like yeah You know like super saying because We were like Goku so far been the only one and then we see trunks just doing it. It's a very like holy shit What the fuck moment? Yeah, it builds a lot of intrigue it like after that Yeah, it does But unfortunately, I didn't know that trunks could show a super sign so that that kind of was negated for me a little bit I was still hyped definitely like seeing him just slice up Frieza in like two seconds. It's crazy. Oh, yeah I want to see real time with them This is there is actually a real-time animation of that by Well, oh shit. That's cool. Pretty cool Also, we talked about I'll decide King Cole's name last episode that I never didn't know they didn't say back they didn't say it last when he arrived The chapter name was lit like 330 was literally King Cole arrives Okay, so that's why I know no, but that's kind of funny and and then when I saw like wait a minute He did just say the king of cult about like Frieza or something when you were like fucking with Frieza's transformations I remember you like saying something similar about that. So that was kind of fun. Yeah, yeah like that's what we were talking about like yeah, we may like me and I'd be making references and like Essentially just splitting stuff down for like if you ever remember something like this for those moments, right? Like I'm just like it was a nice moment for you to like be like, oh wait. They were talking about King Cole then yeah I I kind of want to much back the episode at some point late the end and like we're like moments And just like make them like dumb moments and just to see but yeah See you later. Let it be very fun. Also, okay, so Like I'm gonna continue with my notes that I thought I was gonna have to say for another episode Because so Boma did not recognize the model of the capsule cord fridge that trunks pulls out because it's a future model future model Like she didn't recognize I thought that was very nice, but and I thought that if this but a lot longer It will be fun callback, but it's just like to chat to later. So it was fine. Yeah Like when she talks about the logo on his show in this jacket. Yeah, like like I was like Oh, these will be a lot of like cool bits of setup Like talks if this goes a while longer, right? I think like I think it's very evident that Toriyama like wings a lot of what he does because like stuff like this and dialogue like this is Pretty much used when it's about to be paid off in the next couple chat thing It doesn't we talked about is an early Dragon Ball like this was a thing that happened back then as well where like set up Pay off immediately instead of like building Yeah, which feels a bit like Sat in a way because I feel like he did a really good job with that during the namax saga and then And say in saga and say in saga like to But like It feels like we're kind of regressing a little bit Yeah, I mean you might have taken a little bit of a break after writing that great arc to be fair That like he wanted to be like just relaxing and like get a small arc in between before something that happens again Which I'm assuming this is like the Android saga That's what it's called. We're not that long. Yeah, I don't know I think like in Dragon Ball. They pretty much used the words art arc and saga like interchangeably Which still confuse me to this day because I'm a it doesn't piece fan and one piece arcs or every island and sagas are Yeah, which is super different. Which makes a lot more sense as well. Yeah Yeah, but I think like I don't know I have my problems with this part of the story It does it does a lot of things really good and really interestingly, but also does a lot of things that I don't like one of the main things Being like so I'm skipping ahead a little bit here in the chapters But one of my main complaints is Goku and Vegeta Not wanting to use the Dragon Balls to kill doctors your own And what not to prevent the androids from being made even because they want to fight strong people This is a thing it has been set up. This is an urge that I'll say and share But the side effect so it makes sense in universe. It's also a very nice like narrative convenience for the author because it essentially means that as long as the author puts four strong guys the cast will essentially like Make themselves go into it the culture. We like to hold up let him cook Yeah, which were which is nice for the author too bad. It's fucking stupid Because this is okay as long as nobody dies fuck that up already You believe it's gone. Yeah, you put people in jeopardy with their lives Even if you can wish them back even if like people who survives this and you can wish them back You still had people die for this They're giving construction works a lot of jobs Okay That's it I know but like get it. Okay. The lifeline's gone. The people get revived from it. They're alive again. They need houses I'm just like the trauma that like dying Fucking does like yancha like he had one encounter with these androids and said I'm not fighting anymore He trained for three years and immediate said I'm not doing this anymore He's like y'all are crazy Too fair. I I agree with just a row be like I good I didn't suicidal Suffice the explosion is like I'll fly even if it could even like now. I'm good. Yeah Also like boba's reaction that was fucking last because he was like, oh my bad He's actually a bottle does boma. What was surprisingly okay? Boma had a character like in the background like it was just like oh shit She's like an okay person right now But um what I was gonna say it makes sense for vegeta, but vegeta doesn't give a fuck right? He just wants to fight people. Yeah, it's not a good thing Goku it also makes sense because he wants to fight strong people and They technically like he said that technically haven't done anything bad yet So do you kill them or destroy them without them having done? Is the same as killing baby Hitler, right? That's what I was gonna say. Yeah, you do it So I get it for goku's part two, right? Krillin's idea of I have notes I was okay Krillin's idea of um of you know Saying piccolo might be okay, but vegeta vegeta doesn't have this common goal with us He'll he'll spin back the block and you know, maybe do something terrible Yeah So and he vegeta did threaten to kill everyone if they actually did anything, but you know goku's there So probably wouldn't allow that point is It makes sense for everyone, but I'm just saying could have gone behind vegeta's back done in any ways sent goku on him All right, it doesn't matter. Okay. Anyways. Yeah, you go. I have notes. So this is a nice idea The thing that stops it from from working that like oh, hey, he hasn't done anything yet Yeah, remember that he he works he worked for an army hellbent on conquering the earth You can't like He had he certainly has done things already He has contributed to mass murder already why he's escaping. He's escaped convict You like he like we already like like goku literally says in these chapters like yeah I guess I should have killed Frieza when it had the chance on that He's like he came back. That's my bad. I should have killed him same principle applies to jiro who built the androids so like I'm just saying like he has done things. He has been convicted. He has contributed to the attempted mass murder I don't know how many people read from army actually killed, but did he do it directly though? Like how are like is it in the like he made inventions to kill people with but he's like hey guys. I just made the guns wasn't me I'm just gonna say I They make I guess but it would also be kind of hypocritical if goku give Frieza jiro and all those other multiple chances I didn't give just a real guy like One more chance, right? They know He's go to him. Yeah, like yeah, type in the motherfucker instead of yeah Now i'm gonna just wait three years and I know they're gonna be fine I'm fine with him giving him another chance, but like do not actively please Like hey, are you making more mass murder robots right now? No, so you're saying Those What They're made bods. They they help me around the house Fucking five and six are standing behind him Well, they sounded like this behind them In the drip sands Yeah, but like I like I just feel like Like we very quickly just accepted that we're going to let the robots like just go do that thing Yeah Which and i'm not a fan of that Yeah, no, it's it's funky it is like Why you like again like he didn't actively go to them like like the the eventually to like hey But why are you making these like can we just talk this out? Yeah, like no, I'm gonna kill you then murder him right there And then gone done. Yeah, but he also like But he also Did want to fight it would be kind of awkward to like come there three years early be like, hey, yeah, you're you want to You want to chill out there, buddy? What are you doing? Now that he's like, oh, i'm not really out of luck. All right Um, but how'd you know i was here now? I'm just sent you Yeah I just want to point out a hut that I feel like you know, like i'm all for people feeling comfortable But when you're making murder weapons, I feel like your your comfortability is no longer part of the question comfortability swamp rebuild no don't worry about it, you know murder weapons of mass destruction Also, I want to just point out like Goku's like character art here because he's become now fully just Like decoupled from where he started because he started as kind of like we've talked about this like, you know Every kid's fantasy of like i'm like i'm gonna do things and i'm gonna get them right on the first try Like that's what i like that's what every kid wants like they want to be better than all the adults They want to get everything right immediately and just be the best at everything Right like that and that's kind of where like the representation of Goku was at the start of the series now He's so not that anymore like like first of all like He obviously he grew up. So like that's already minus one point for relatability With like kids and now he's become like this like Really like hard worker who wants to like continuously test his skill, right? And That's like i i like it and i hate it at the same time Because i like the idea of like, okay, you know, i'm gonna keep i'm gonna keep working i'm gonna keep like grinding it I'm gonna keep getting better. I like i like that. I love that, right? That's also the message that roshi imparted on him at the like at the very first broke my heart tournament Uh, where or like the first was it the first one that we saw where jack each other was a thing It was just first. Yeah, that's first you're like he knows ever strong So he became jimmy chun to show that you're still stronger people Yeah, so like so that And like he still cares that with him right like he always wants to keep going and keep it but right now like He is putting people in danger to do that and it that is a character fault and character falls are fine. Don't let don't Don't get it twisted. Don't think that i don't think that character falls or okay The main character has to be or like any character has to be perfect. I just think it's immensely frustrating Because i'm looking at this and i go like you're killing innocent people by doing this He's like i want to save the earth save some people first and just get it over with like at the fairly like like Okay, when he could have done i have a big right, but i have an altered like timeline He could have gone to the doctor like hey. I know you're building robots. Don't even shush Let me talk so like to him not not y'all but like to to the Shush, let me talk like and then he just like goes um So make your robots have him fight me one-on-one right i'll be in the trading grounds Undergauntlet, but let's do it in a safe area. I'll go to the moon. I don't care. Let me fight him anywhere Anyplace anytime i'll fight him Just know Maybe can keep this is safe and if you don't want to build me if you know That's fine. I'll just fight him anyway Like the the thing is like this is done for narrative states right like we don't want To have just like like your idea like i also have the same idea But like we can't do that because then there's no real stakes right as a story doesn't work in realistic sense That's better, but i mean like i guess you could do it like he wants to first kill them and then like Go go on and still conquer your if then like you still have those stakes, but like it just like It's just so like frustrating to be like oh, yeah, we could have totally totally like prevented this And like it's already bad a lot of people have already died and like let like I guess minus boiler, but like this isn't going to be done in three chapters Whoa, right So it's so it's going to get worse and also Again back to dragon balls It removes all stakes It removes the whole point of like our one died during him back as long as big as i was right Many these like go go action tells them in these chapters like hey pickle up if you know you're gonna die dip We need you alive Yeah, it's just like it's just so frustrating because like now everything bad that's going to happen We're going to look at it and be like yeah, but you could have prevented this this is all your own fault It easily stops. Yeah, and it can also just be reverted by dragon balls yeah, which like Removes stakes and removes like like point like like point. I feel like dragon balls should be more of a like just so you're right now But that's not the point of the show the point of the shelf is not I'm here. It's not being that nope. So Exactly like if we're breaking it down in our sense of ring story This does not make sense like in any way. This is not a feasible way of So like it it like i'm actually so fucking upset by this I was like like you had it you had really good stakes And like that's what I mean with like I feel like the writing's taken a bit of a like Jump back in this stuff. Yeah, we have some of the older like quarks of like You know really quick setup and like really quick payoff Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but like it was done better previously So like we're falling back down a level a little bit. I would have loved to see more of the three years And yeah It would have been good for like setup and stuff and then like now we have this whole thing where like the characters are Like I don't want to say not relatable, but like The different they they fucked up like like they've made it so that everything that's happening is their fault They're fully culpable for what's going to happen Because like I know we're dealing with time travel and stuff, but if you know a crime is going to be committed and you don't report it You are culpable for it. You are what's called an accomplice So My log It's really more than orange So like it's just it's a it's a lot harder to like root for these people right now I'm sure like it'll go back up And like because like this is all setup and the setup just not been done very well So like we'll probably go back and or like go further and like we'll forget a little bit About what's what what like the or some things with the setup and it will stop mattering as much But that but that doesn't make the writing like of this section specifically suddenly good Yeah I don't know like I feel like if we had just like let's say Five chapters of in those three years of this stuff happening. Maybe the bullman fjuda booking up maybe Uh like goku training a bit more maybe seeing krillin and and stuff terrain with with uh with roshi Like if we saw all those kind of things like just just even maybe like two or three panels or chapter. Sorry That would have been so much more setup for the payoff of the and which coming That would have already helped massively. I feel Yeah, but that's just me Because now like all the like all the setup was the quick talk They're coming over here and then dips. Yeah, and then they came Yeah Yeah, it was a lot it was just a lot of chatting for sure Yeah, also like do we want to talk about how like Chi Chi is just fully irrelevant now Like I mean she already kind of was but like I hated that part I genuinely hated that part when we saw Chi Chi fucking like firmly fight with goku goes like it's fine like almost kills her like that's a funny but That's a joke and that's like yeah, like exactly like that's a joke. I'm like kind of like You know, it's like oh whoops. I didn't mean to like you from time to do like a pat on the side and just didn't work. Okay. Well like But besides that like first of all Chi Chi is just annoying now. She's taking the boma spot. I was gonna say yep That's probably worst insult you can give any like It's true because like it's like okay. Well, but like we have to go safe there for otherwise He can't fucking do his homework for the end of education. He's just like I don't care I like that's just fucking crazy like I like I get it go in like people in like argument in like heated arguments. They make illogical uh choices and say illogical things, but like There was no like again. There was no good like setup for this to actually be an emotional thing It was just like quickly in between everything else that was happening Yeah, that mother and then when they left she was like super nice and all so like I don't know what the fuck happened Did that punch maker? Yeah, like concussion and she's just super nice now like what happened? I'm just very sad about like the writing of he and we could have seen what could have seen chapters about Chi Chi developing as a character but no Just no same with bullmoms. We should have we could have seen character arcs. No, just nothing I hope we get flashbacks. Probably not. No, get many flashbacks and dragon ball Just say don't do you want to have it? If anything, this is all flashback to trunks. Just timeline Dragon Ball's just a flashback bar Narrator, bro I mean wait, he was there. He was there. He was Dragon Ball In original Dragon Ball. Have you seen him? Is he yet? Yeah, no, he was there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course he was He was saying like okay in those three years of fast. Oh, yeah, he didn't talk much though I think you're saying much now. I think it's like yeah, he had like the bit about it's in the other book I'm not gonna go. I guess I'll go grab it. No Other book time. Do you go across books? That's crazy. Uh, yeah, I uh, I think I ended in the list Where did that Where did it work? So in chapter 142 for me. So that's For from so 336 for y'all Uh, like he said the time May 12th three years from now. It is the target for which they trade the moment when they hope to defy history and win Also hot for information chapter 338 is one chap. There's one volume 29 starts I'm excited. This is the previous one we were on And this is a Super Saiyan Goku flag. Oh, he went he went Super Saiyan in one volume bra. That's crazy I mean also you can see on the backs here like this regular Goku and this is Super Saiyan Goku on the other one Oh, that's really hard to see with No, yeah, I can see it Yeah, uh for the people wondering I have I've said is like at the start of the like series that we when we started doing this I'm reading the physics big volumes. So if you're wondering about any of the physical components look up Uh, Dragon Ball, uh, Dragon Ball is big Uh, like four and five Because there are kind of resets between uh, Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z For the this big volumes, which is why if you're wondering why my chapter count is different from these guys Well, so I refer to 28 and 29 the volumes instead of four and five you should Yeah, this is four and this is big four and five here because they're also three in one volumes Yeah, exactly. They're Every interviral three or every multiple three. It's going to change books for me. Yeah, so it like four would be 28 27 26 for us Yeah Yeah Question the android, uh, I'm assuming it's 20 the one the one with the hat like this the black like top Yeah, he he like his head gets blown off and we see an actual like brain in there like So he's not an android your cyborg which to be fair at the beginning trunks golden cyborgs Yeah, but I think it's just like one of those like weird things Yeah, I think it's really just like they are cyborgs and everybody knows that they're cyborgs, but they're cold and points Yeah, so like that it's like it's like, you know, like when you have to fill out like a shitty form and like uh, they want to first add a last name for like uh, you're like, but it's not like actually real or anything Like it's like in a game or something and it's just not you just have to think of like your title is your first name And then like whatever you're actually called is like your last name in those Like, you know, like so like it becomes like your first name is like miss her and then Whatever like your like your game attack. It's like for like mr Marissa answer whatever So like it's something like that where like I think it's just like Literally first name android second a second name is like their number Yeah, even though they're cyborgs Yeah So is there a cyborg which is a classification name android 20 android 19? Yeah Makes sense And I've always interpreted this uh hard feel free to If I'm wrong That you look the worst thing I find is that they're called 19 and 18 or sorry 19 and 20 Uh like i'm here like what happened like 18 17 16 That's the year of war in Dragon Ball Uh That makes a lot more sense Bro, that was a joke has nothing to do with reality. What are you talking about? It was a quantifier he predicted he predicted their quantifiers Speak back then No, like 2019 and 2020 we're like corona waves Oh no, but in 1920 there was another pandemic. Yeah, there was the play. No No playing That's 18 20. Anyway, um Yeah, I was good to say that was a very late late days in the dark ages what There was also something in eight was it the spina school in 1920 uh It's a spanish flu Doesn't matter anyway Is it just like like 1920 just the iterations and 18 and everything else filled? It can also be he's toning backwards For whatever reason. Yeah, it was the spanish flu in 1920 and 1820. It was Can't find it. What a Not quick enough All right, but yeah, I think it's like it's just iterations like these are probably like the first successful ones Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah makes sense I mean could also be successful before that, but in more like successful and strong enough. Maybe Yeah, it's like oh no, I hit it for a wrench and it died One ball like funk. Ah Yes What happened Bulma should have been long gone by now. By the way, just the same She's like, I'm gonna take a look at them. She sees an entire city get half blown up Well, typically she didn't have a time to get in the car Also, she didn't see them yet So only on the power Like I get her standpoint of like I want to see them so I can maybe make my own because she she is a scientist after all Yeah, I get that She's still inside from just yeah, she's a brother like that Everything if Gokun motherfuckers kill them, which we're always just blowing up their head The rest of the body is just there Unless they're like completely destroyed Good, I feel like brain power. I think I would say killing the breaking the head would still kill all the others cutting head off yeah Yeah, probably because I'm assuming the power is on that Because like like the half the head is brain Like you can't feel the power source in that because it still has a throat I assume because it opens and speaks and like says talk marks there At least into this. So there's a very small battery in there if anything So anything the battery is in the potty or power source or whatever like usually fireworks out like a like heart That's for place but like in core or something So if anything just kind of have to add will kill it And calling it. I'm killing it in a killing the circuit. Yeah They'll really see close loop Yeah I like I like all that. I was like, that's my job and this and I said it was basic And that's a close look Like I sound so dumb, but this is actually my job It happens it happens I feel like I'm not I'm like just very worried about this arc because like I really like this arc Like I'm pretty like I'm pretty sure it is my favorite arc out of the Like out of dragon ball, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to be very annoyed trying to analyze this arc And then I have mostly my last point is that I think it's done that go go in a melee super sign like and then like that they're Yapping about like piccolo was yapping. Oh, you haven't seen a super sane form. If they explained they're like known of us predict the power That's cool. No keep it a secret. Have an ace up your sleeve. I know that he didn't use interpretation yet morons They're morons. They're fucking like piccolo. I expected that of you, bro. What are you doing? You're supposed to be the smart one What the fuck? Okay, that's not sure. He's a warrior type My god, true I mean he's smarter than the same smarter than than goku vujida Whoop. I mean I think Chen Tien is probably the smartest one of them Also, like Yeah, probably should be the smartest So hon, that's your role because you're not funny That's actually the real answer No, but like one of the things that like that I just like thought of is essentially like if you look At what the I forgot my point never mind If we look at the No, literally Yeah, no, like like they were like, huh, you don't know about my super staying form Ghost super staying shows them like your max power level I feel like it would have been I think I feel like it's fine to go super staying right off the bat because then you don't like waste your energy during the fight Then go see afterwards But you know Yeah, but you know yapping about it child. I was kind of I guess they were overconfident because they can't sense their power and Yeah, I remember All right, like essentially like we fit the point where the characters individually just don't fucking matter Besides like power level because like what one of the things that you mentioned for you Like wanting to see like what happens in between like this this three-year timeskip uh like that's a very good point like If the characters actually like mattered besides just being bodies and being deployable Like the pylons Right because like a lot of my first shit Happened like Gohan got another three years like with a child of that age that means he's basically completely different person He's nine now he went from six to five six to nine Yeah, eight nine like he grew up from being a toddler still from going to basically being in middle of elementary school almost going to middle school like he Is There like there's a lot of courage that happened in those three years especially for a young kid Yeah, and then like we have boma and yam to wear a thing right before timeskip Then afterwards they've broken up for a while already because she's not like that happened We could see Maybe rebound with vegeta. Maybe like a thing like it seemed like a hookup Because like from what trunks saying like they they mad after like they saw like uh vida being like of slowly and they just like Something happened and he didn't live together some soon. We did like yeah, he probably just dipped and dipped it if you got i'm saying Yeah Yeah, and we're like potent enough to make a kid apparently um And then the rest of them it's literally just like yeah, we trained fear it like we had literally nothing going on and i was besides that like Like youchu chotsu is literally just benched because he's not strong enough So we don't eat he doesn't even get string time anymore We haven't even like not even like a single panel of a flashback to him just We spent so much effort trying to get him Back to like being alive and then we don't even get to see him Like at that point leave him dead i would have loved it doesn't the characters don't matter anymore outside of just being strong Exactly one panel of just him. I don't know still training still like using the psychopowers floating stuff around whatever Some things show it's like sweat on his face showing that he's still putting an effort to be try and be there Maybe as like east up the sleeve at the end maybe Like it's sort of frustrating because like this is one thing that I think like um Lord of rings does really well like they spend a lot of time like establishing what the characters are fighting for Right, like why are we doing this and like one of the very important things in the in the last movie Like there's a running joke in the community that like the like return of the king, especially if you Like what's the extent of this and it's like I always do then like Uh the movie ends several times Right there's several different endings, but all of those endings are important to show what we've been fighting for We see different areas of the war we see different people Living there like versions of of there of what happened after the war And that's very important to show like this is what it's all been for And we don't take time happens after that war ends you show Yeah, it's a fact This place it affects this place Yeah, this makes these people this affects this part of the main cast effects this part of the main cast You show yeah, like the ending of a story like this reminds me of seven of these sense where at the end spoilers um Like all the way out of the end because I don't I still want to read that I will not say it because it's the actual end Anyway And the actual ending happens right like stuff ends You get like everyone's stories and everyone you get everyone's little bits of story you get everyone Being they have they live heavily after that kind of shit right. Yeah, there's no story shit. Right like Now it's good that the closest we get to like They're seeing their training is this like if you look in the group chat This is the thing. This is the closest thing we get to their Training in the month. Yeah, literally just like one of the title pages Yeah, which is the closest and like also like this is why arks will have a glow like right before Like we see it here, but again, it's so small like After like she got we we take a while to wrap up what's been happening And before we like fully get into the next one We always start with a little bit of slice of life on the ship on the ship Okay, which is important to see like hey, this is like this is the crew interacting This is what like like it's a big part of the story to just enjoy the characters and like going back into you know, like how gopu has changed as well the characters are not fucking enjoyable Goaks are fucking dumbass That's real He's kind of his wife like he's always been Stupid but he's been battle smart But like up until this point like we saw this as well like in the like In the namixada like he was doing smart things. He was trying he was he was thinking ahead He was like and like even like defeating freeze on being him like he wanted to you know Is that like it was vengeance, but still like in the anime it's justice, but in the manga that's vengeance Yeah, like but he's doing it for like a specific purpose To like indicate some group some people and here it's just like i'm in this for me Which like if he if he changes later to be more You know, i'm doing this for the good of the world i'm doing this for the good of people I'm not gonna make this mistake again if he learns from this I'm cool with it, but right now Turn which yeah like but right now where we are at fucking hate it Yep Agreed. Yeah again. He'll sell like at the end of our panel chapters. He just dashes in Going alone. He's like y'all y'all stay back. I got this like no No Trunks weren't you? Like this ain't going good Like they they said sure like he died before Like what did they say with the disease? Was it before they fought the androids? He died. Yeah But like they still wanted to go after him. So like Goku wasn't dead than the androids right Like apparently like the go wasn't there and just like oh shit We'll just fight y'all then because you're all strong friends of his i guess and then rule domination i guess bound up That seems to be it right that seems to like kill everyone else and dips i guess But yeah, no Even they were assigned to kill koku I do want your thoughts a little bit about this section because me and rio have been Yeah But what what are you what are you feeling right now? What what are your opinions where your thoughts? Mm God just this is a bad start like in general because the um I feel like the setup could have gone a little longer and as well as um Like I get they're very reliant on the dragon balls, right? But they also do put people in harm's way now Goku doesn't claim to be a hero and even the z fighters don't either No So it's like It's not their obligation to do something like say people but it's like it's the morally right thing to do And we know that like not bad people so yeah So like what like part of their argument is also just like, you know, these got like piccolo in tn used to be bad guys And it's like, okay, if you're not bad guys, then why are you still like second-handly killing people? what? Like, like they're not this little speech right like at the start of being like, oh, hey, you know, like we should like do this Like let this happen because like tn and like piccolo they used to be bad guys And it's like, okay. Yeah, that like that kind of works as an argument more on vegeta. No Yeah, yeah, it was about vegeta like getting came into it But like you're also like again still like second-handly killing people so like not that good a guys Yeah Good enough, you know for a second. They're your murderers. I guess I Try there's degrees to it and what you can be charged with in a criminal court. So true Yep, may I have what else uh, huh? um No, no, no, no, okay pretty interesting. I'm interested in what trucks gonna do But um, he said he was gonna show up, but yeah Interior either. I don't know what the fuck he's doing He's training. We saw like one panel of him like asking to be trained then one panel of him just sledding That's all we saw of him. Yeah, like I'm gonna pass Kakarot. Like that's all he said is it this is very like Josh wean and adventures Avengers where like It's we don't get anything from like Captain America for example besides him just punching the shit out of a sandbag In in an empty gym, which worked there because it's essentially just like, okay. We have a lot of characters here So we need to narrow this down To like what's really important Uh, so like it's essentially just setting the tone. It's just like None of the other like for I think in Avengers like the characters individual like relations and stuff like that are so explored further in the movie Right Yeah, so like we we just don't have like there's a fight set up Then there's usually there's like some it normal things fights it up. Some things happen training fight And something yeah, but like in like in like talking about like Avengers because like the same like narrative short fan is used with like We're just like the training montage was since you just are like we're showing you like what the where characters are at essentially That's like i'm at roshish. No, it was a ghost and then dawn. I don't know Yeah, but like their talk beforehand also serves to go to for that same purpose like this is where i'm at mentally. This is why i'm doing this And then like your top of like after times get works in a similar way and it's essentially just all works to connect and set up like this is where the characters are at right, but like so say a similar method is used in any of the in the avengers And what what doesn't work about this at least not thus far with dragon ball is that the rest of the movie The characters relationships are very important and it's all about how they grow to like to come together as a t right here Yeah Call me crazy, but I don't some I don't think that the characters interpersonal relationships are going to matter that much like there's no like there's going to be no real exploration of character i feel like and Like i guess it's just like i'm circling the brain with the same point again It was just like it's just sad that that that's the thing because like all these small things Are used that could be used better and it's like Dragon ball is essentially putting all its all its eggs in one basket Of just like the fighting that the the main drama is going to be good If it doesn't do that it's going to be so bad because there's literally nothing else to watch this for Yeah, no, I don't know. I guess we'll just have to find out until next next time Yeah We're gonna have hope we're gonna have hope Hopefully I like I would say I feel bad about complaining, but like we're 33 episodes deep. I y'all know I'm gonna do this Yeah, and to be fair dish it is not up to par with the rest of what we've seen Yeah, like I think thus far like to wrap it all up like thus far But we I think we've had a very good like, you know slowly gradually building Like a narrative arc of like quality Right, I think like consistently the quality is shot up in different arcs and different things have been improving over the course of the story And I think like namik was the ultimate culmination of that Where like y'all did hear me complain much during the namik saga because it was just well written and good and I really enjoyed it And then it's just like it's such like a sad like start for this arc Doesn't mean it can't be great. It doesn't mean it can like it counts like a surpass namik but as an arc but It right now is a bit right now. It's a very like it's if we're projecting from where we're at now. It's gonna be so tough Yeah I I think I mean, I don't have anything else to say. I don't know if y'all have anything to you Instant transmission True Really cool Really cool moves pretty neat. He didn't I don't think he got much stronger Uh, because he pretty much went all that time doing in trans transmission training. So we're gonna see if this is good enough watching after the training Yeah, he's also trained We've got nothing. Anyway, uh with that. We're gonna we're gonna end this episode of the happening uh off so uh We're gonna say goodbye to hott Pish. Oh, what was that? For you Goodbye. Come here. Let's be able to see you next week. Goodbye everybody. Bye - Bye.