It's the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. Today, we are joined by Bobby Blanco from massandsports.com. And of course, Bobby, we're going to be talking about a little yesterday's wild win because just to kind of set the scene a little bit, I texted Bobby that Mackenzie Gore, he's got an issue. But ultimately, does he? And thank you all for making locked on nationals. Your first list in every single day is we are free and available wherever you get your podcast and of course, I'm your host, Ryan Clary, you can catch me over on Twitter at Ryan Clary, 11, and as well as our show page at LO underscore nationals for our latest nationals news and notes. Make sure to check us out over on Twitter. And of course, while you're at it, make sure to search up locked on nationals wherever you get your podcast, including over on YouTube again, just search locked on nationals, hit that subscriber button, drop a comment, drop a thumbs up or a thumbs down, whatever you want, you can do. Of course, we are joined today by Bobby Blanco, you can catch Bobby over on Twitter at Bobby underscore Blanco. And Bobby and I will be discussing a little bit later on in today's show. Carlene Susana and his improvement so far down in the minors. He was in Fredericksburg to start off the year. He started off real poor, got it together, then got shipped up to high a Wilmington where he has continued to be very good for the Wilmington blue rock. So we'll discuss that a little bit later on. So Travis Sakura, the nationals third round pick in last year's draft signed for above slot value. He has been dominant. And at this point in time, Bobby, I am ready to say that he is the number one pitching prospect in this organization, and it's really not even close. That is where I kind of stand on Travis, but we'll get into that a little later on, Bobby. But of course, let's talk about last night's when Bobby, I don't even know where to begin because I text you in the first inning. I had a rundown. I forgot even what I was going to be talking about. And then I said, scratch everything. Mackenzie Gore just gave up four runs in the first inning. We're going to talk about if Mackenzie Gore has a problem. Well, he settled in pitch pretty well over five innings pitch. But still, I do think there is a discussion to be had about Mackenzie Gore, Bobby. I don't know what's wrong with him, but I can tell you this. There's nothing right with him at this point in time where, what have you kind of made up Mackenzie Gore's struggles over the course of the last month plus? Yeah. It hasn't been too good to watch when Mackenzie takes the ball. I mean, especially with Josiah Gray hitting the injured list earlier this year after two starts. I mean, for a minute there, Mackenzie was like the most watched start every five days. And then of course, you have Jake Ervin turning it to a close win all star. Mitchell Parker has been a revelation in his rookie season as well. So they're great to watch when they take the ball and DJ hers even in the past month or so. But Mackenzie Gore is the guy that's leading this rotation right now. And I think a lot of Nationals fans point to him as ideally being their ace of the future. And you know, we talk a lot about how he's got the stuff. He has ace potential. You know, the strikeout numbers are fantastic. But what's really heartened him all season long or the long innings, the not being able to put guys away with two strikes, not being able to put guys away with two outs and getting himself into into trouble, which is to be fair, you know, a common trait among young starting pitchers. I mean, a lot of starting pitchers do that. So it is kind of a learning curve for him as only being his second full season in the major leagues. But yeah, I mean, you know, it was tough to watch us tonight. I think we got to give him some credit for bouncing back and finishing five innings. I'm more concerned. I think the like, you know, he's done a really good job of keeping the ball in the yard and then you give up a couple of home runs last night. That's a little concerning to me. I wonder if it's a little more wear and tear type thing where, you know, I mean, because the Nationals were so careful with his innings last year. Now, you know, he's on pace to probably pitch a little more than he did last year for the first time. So is that already starting to creep up on him? That would be concerning for me. But I think more so it's, I think that stuff can be figured out. I think the length of his season will will come naturally, you know, just based on how he grows and how the nats continue to develop. And remember, like he's still developing theoretically, like at the major league level. He's not, you know, I know he's not a prospect anymore, but like he is a young piece that they are trying to develop at the major league level. So yes, the home runs aren't great because they've been elevated. But for me, it's more of the extended innings and not get, I really was trying to hopefully seeing from Mackenzie, you know, getting out of those rough innings earlier in the year and extend his outings and you get deeper into games, you know, so many, so many, I mean, a very classic Mackenzie Gore stat line, you know, at the beginning of the season will be like, you know, eight strikeouts, you know, three or four runs given up a handful of walks, but only in five innings. And it's like, at times, you know, at that point, okay, you know, he's still building up his arm, still figuring it out. Maybe he can expand that into six or seven innings on a consistent basis and he hasn't been able to do that. So I think looking at moving forward, I mean, this is a big two months for him to finish the season, yeah, if he can figure it out and get deeper into games, not waste pitches. I know the strikeouts are sexy and everything, but quicker outs might be more might be better for him because it'll allow him to stay in the game longer. And again, give him credit for battling back in the nationals in the game last night. A similar thing happened to Patrick Corbin on Monday and the offense didn't do anything to back him up. The offense finally woke up last night and was able to back up Mackenzie Gore and he kept them in the game and he kept the Giants at bay after the nationals were able to rally and give him a lead early on after that rough first inning. So I think there's some something to be said about that. But yeah, I mean, ideally, you know, he does he's not doing that every time over his last 12 hours. He's got an ERA well over six. He's got a that's pretty high. And remember, like, you know, over his, I think it was the beginning or mid June he had an ERA under three. So, you know, that's that's an over three run difference over these last 12 starts, which is which isn't great. So, but again, I think that stuff that can be figured out as we move forward, you know, the nationals aren't really competing for a playoff spot this year. Next year, they will be ideally. So if he can figure it out between now and then and get deeper into games, I'm really looking forward to him seeing hopefully get deeper into games, not waste pitches, not walk guys with two outs, put guys away with two strikes, stuff like that. I think that's those are the small things I think will go a long way to him having a successful end of the season. You know, like I was looking at the numbers and over Mackenzie Gore's last eight starts, check out the slash line Bobby of hitters going against them. They're betting 305 a 394 OBP a 503 slug in an 898 OPS is like real up. That is an all-star level kind of hitter right there. So I'm not like overall too concerned with Mackenzie Gore, but listen, I mean, he is one of the nationals better pieces. He is one of the nationals, brighter pieces right now as far as their future goes. So you want to see what he can do. You want to see what he can do when the nationals do bounce back. But luckily for Mackenzie Gore, there was more to yesterday's game. And one of those in the second inning, CJ Abrams, literally, I believe you were telling this before the game, I did not see this, but I believe that this was the nationals. The home run that he hit in the second inning was nearly at his chin and it was the highest fastball that any national or highest pitch any national has ever hit a home run with. Is that correct? Yeah. According to nationals PR, it was the highest pitch ever hit for a home run by a nationals player in the stack cast era, which started in 2015. That is insane. That is insane, I mean, when I saw him connect on that, I was like, oh my God, that was like up in the chin. And I watched the replay teed up on like an eight year old. Yeah, seriously. I mean, it was so high. And then I mean, that was incredible to see him barrel up that baseball. I think that just kind of goes to show you. And one of my, you know, we all know side to forget that. Yeah. It was a little bit. But he had to go out there and get it exactly and hold it incredible power, my opinion, like, oh my God. But I think it kind of goes to show you though, like yesterday, Toby Alteiser that we both know from one of six, seven, the fan armor. He came over from the offices yesterday and he was trying to get some player interviews. And he was like, yeah, like nobody was out there today. No one was taking VPUs too hot, but there was one guy out there and his name is CJ Abrams. I think it just kind of goes to show you the guy in a hundred degree heat. And not to say that the nationals aren't working hard or anything, I mean, it's a hundred degrees out. Get your work inside. But there was one guy out there and his name is CJ Abrams. So that kind of feels good, see him putting in the extra work, obviously on a very hot day as well. So I thought that was really cool. But also James Wood yesterday, Bobby, what a game. I mean, people were moonshot opposite field. What was it? 420 something feet. Yeah. Insane powers of the opposite field, 107 off the bat, James Wood, people were kind of like, oh my God, like he's not hitting the ball that well. Everybody relax. James Wood is just fine. You see the numbers now, they are inflated back up nearly to an 800 OPS on the season. He's getting on base at a pretty nice rate. I still want him to cut back on the strikeouts, especially looking at them. But James Wood is here. He has been great to watch and he's starting to really kind of feel himself up in the big. So what have you made of James Wood so far in 2024? I think right now I think you live with the strikeouts. I mean, like they're obviously they're not good, but any rookie is going to strike out a handful of time, especially a guy that swings as much. Now James is a great eye, but I still think he's going to strike out his fair amount of time. What the counterbalance that is, what does he do when he's not striking out? Like you mentioned, he drew two walks. So if he keeps that walk, strike out balance pretty even, I think we can live with the strikeouts for sure. But yeah, I mean, last night, I mean, the triple off the wall, the speed he has to run around the bases. He even got a slow start out of the box because he thought it was gone. The two walks, the two stolen base. I mean, he just did pretty much every now, I know he had an error in left field, so maybe not the defense, but four out of the five tools were on display last night at Nationals Park. And yeah, the home run. I mean, he hit that 423 feet to left center field. If you know Nationals Park, you know, the red seats in the, the, the, the Budweiser brew house that if you hit, if a player hits, I think the Nationals give out free Budweiser's the next day. Well, he went over though. So I think, yeah, you don't get your free beer because he went over them. Maybe you get two free beers. I don't know. But yeah, he went over. You and did the second row after them. So there's a one row of picnic tables, and there's a second row of picnic tables. He went to the second one. He was a hop shore basically hitting the door of the Budweiser brew house. So yeah, I mean, just incredible power for him to go the opposite way to on a low and inside pitch. That's just not supposed to be able to do that. That's not, that's not what things that like Bryce Harper does that. And that's pretty much it. Like you're, you're not supposed to be a 22 year old is not supposed to be doing that immediately level right now. And it's just crazy to think that he hasn't even started to pull the ball. Every time he pulls the ball, it's on the ground. And so once he starts being able to pull the ball to his side in the air, I mean, he's going to be, you know, all those red seats in the upper deck on right and in right field at Natsbark. He'll have a handful of those. I guarantee you by the end of his career, I know it's been crazy with James, what has been able to do, but you know what's even better, Bobby? You know me. I love prospects, Travis Secora. I think this guy is insanely good, his stuff plays and I cannot wait to see him at Nationals Park and Bobby. We'll discuss that before we get into it though, I got to tell you guys about some of our very good friends over at prize picks and guys. 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Now we get into it with Bobby Blanco yet again as we discussed Travis Sakura, the naps 2023 third round pick and Bobby, I am enamored with this guy. We've been talking about him for quite some time now, but just to kind of give people a taste of what Travis Sakura brings. Are you into an upper 90s fastball? I can tell you I am. Are you into advanced stuff? I can tell you this. I am. Are you into someone who pumps a strike zone? I am absolutely into that. Well, you'll be in the Travis Sakura. I can tell you that right now. So far, Bobby, through 14 starts in Fredericksburg. This kid has a 2670RA, which even then ERA, whatever, through again, 14 starts, 57 and a third innings pitch, only 17 earned runs, only two home runs given up in that timeframe as well. 21 walks catch this out, a 0.942 whip on the season as well, only 5.2 hits per nine, and again, 13 and a half strikeouts per nine innings to 3.3 walks per nine. This kid is electric right now. What can you kind of tell us about Travis Sakura? What have you kind of seen so far from this 21-year-old or 20-year-old beast at this point in time? He's becoming what the Nationals hoped that he would be when they drafted him out of high school last year. I mean, he was, I think, the top, he's definitely the top high school pitcher coming at Texas. You might have been one of the top high school pitchers in the entire draft class last year, and the Nationals, they were able to snag him in the third round, and I always go back to drafting Dylan Cruz, you Andy Morales, and Travis Sakura with their first three picks last year, and then that's draft brass. They have since changed this group of people evaluating the draft, which we've talked about, but they said that they felt that they got three first round picks in their first three picks because Travis was projected to go in the first round while the first high school arms to go off the board, and they got him in the third round. So that was, I think, a steal for the Nationals, and he's proving them right. I mean, you just mentioned those numbers, those are ridiculous numbers for a kid that was pitching in high school, you know, 16 months ago, and, you know, he's facing, you know, single-air Fredericksburg, I think it's important to, like, for people who don't know, like, the level of talent he's facing, yes, it's the lowest level of the minor leagues, not rookie ball, which Travis didn't pitch in, by the way. I mean, this is his first taste of professional baseball. He did not pitch in the rookie level league last year or the start of this year, so he just was thrown into the fire in his first full season after being drafted. And I think, you know, he's facing guys who have either been at this level for a handful of seasons. I mean, they're all pretty much around his age, but there are a handful of guys who are a little bit older of him, especially this time of year, when teams are adding their recent draft picks to their low-A single-A ball. Like, remember, this is where Dylan Crews started last year for a couple of games. So even if you're a first-round pick, you most likely start at single-A. There are several exceptions, but he's facing guys that just finished probably really good college careers on top programs, and he's striking them out, and he's keeping them off-base, which is, I think, important to know. I mean, he was named Carolina League Picture of the Week on Monday for last week. He had a no-hitter through five innings, struck out a handful. I think only walked like one or two or something like that, gave him a win, you know, faced the minimum over those five innings, too, and, you know, clearly he's on an innings limit because, why would you pulse a bunch with a no-hitter going after five innings? But like I said, it's his first year professionally. They're going to be very careful with him in terms of his innings. He's already nearing 60, so I would imagine he would probably try to get to like 70-75 before the end of the season and then go to his normal off-season program and get back into it next year. But yeah, he's been great. He and your own two-son who has moved on from Fredericksburg, but they were, for a while there, an incredible 1-2 punch for the Frednats at single-A Fredericksburg, and they were probably at a time, had to have been one of the best 1-2 starting pitchers in the Carolina League. Yeah. I mean, you said it, and we'll get into Susana here a little bit later on in today's show, but I mean, Travis Okora, in my opinion, I mean, I don't really read too deep into prospect rankings overall. Now it is nice to see your guys, like, you know, get the accolade of being a top prospect and being on people's radars and from a national perspective, people talking about Travis Okora. Now, if you read up on Mike Johnathan Mayo and guys who cover prospect for a living, like Jim Callis or whoever it could be, then you'll know that people are talking about Travis Okora, but still, you want to see him talk about on a more national level, and I think you will get that once these prospect rankings really kind of start to rework themselves with baseball America, MLB.com. He's going to be a top prospect, and speaking of top prospects, Bobby, former, I mean, he's still a top prospect, but Kate Kavali, I'm not going to say, well, okay, let me just kind of take you into my brain real quick, this could get a little messy, but I don't understand what's going on with Kate Kavali, I just don't get it. They said that he had the flu, and he was shut down with the flu, which is a very reasonable answer, but I would have expected Kavali to, I've already made maybe three to four major league starts at this point in time, and at this stage, I don't really expect him the pitch in this season. I don't know what is going on. I feel like, and again, this may be a little premature, but it just feels as if there is something else to what we are hearing right now, like they seem way too calm about Kate Kavali just not going out there making rehab appearances, so what can you tell the people about Kavali and what to expect with them? Yeah, I know a lot of people are sharing their same sentiment, they're frustrated, they're nervous, they're uncertain, they're confused, and to be quite frank, so were we in the media for a little bit, because it did seem like the whole story wasn't being told when it came to Kavali now, maybe it was, and maybe it was just as simple as he was sick. I mean, we saw a handful of players in the Nationals, like a point to Cape Ruiz losing 20 pounds, but deal with a bout of the flu and be out for a while and not come back really the same way, so I think when it comes to Kate Kavali and really any young starting pitcher who is coming off Tommy John, the Nationals are going to be extremely cautious with this. They always will be. And yes, I agree, the entire time since he went under Tommy John's surgery last March, March 2023, the idea was that, or we were told or led to believe that he would be back on the mound in the majors by end of June, early July the latest. And now here we are nearing mid-August, first week of August, and he hasn't returned to the on a mound yet, he just started throwing, like playing catch the other day at Nationals Park. I think there's, you know, I don't mean to, you know, put down the Nationals or Dave Martinez or whoever, but these are just the facts that we've been told. We were told that he was going to go, Kavali to Florida to restart his program, ramp up his arm, this was, I guess, two weeks ago, before they went on this road trip. And then we got, they got back from the road trip and Kavali was still in D.C. Yeah. Oh, why is he here? Well, he never went. He, he wanted him to work out with our strength team here first and it's like, okay, well, where's he going? Well, hopefully he goes out soon. And he's still here. So it's all been kind of confusing and disappointing. I understand that I just think I don't think they're keeping anything from us. I don't think they're trying to be slick or anything like that, like RB, you know, rude. I don't know what you want to call it, but I don't think they're trying to do that. I think genuinely what it is, and they're not going to come out and say this, but I think that they had come to terms that he's not going to pitch this year just because everything that happened, the dead arm, the flu at the wrong time, right when he was about to probably be ready to make one or two more final rehab starts and join the Nationals and with the injuries to Josiah Gray. Now, I mean, there's, I guess a need for a starting picture, but there's just no need to rush him back. This seems like pushing for the postseason. Get him back because you're not going to have Josiah Gray next year. So you might as well just keep Kavali resting, have him do somewhat of a normal off season program. I think the goal is to get Cade on a mound at the minor league level once or twice before the end of the season, just so we can kind of enter the off season and do his normal program. I am almost 99% sure that it's not going to be at the major league level. I just don't think they're going to do that at this point because if he's hasn't, he's just hard of throwing. Yeah. Last time we saw him do this, it took him over a month to get on a mound. At that point, he's getting on a mound in September and then, you know, the AAA season ends the week before the minor league season. So maybe he gets on a mound for the Rochester Red Wings, but I would doubt they bring him up again to start for the Nationals that last week of the season, it's just not worth it at this point. Yeah. I think we just got to kind of bite the bullet, say 2024 as a wash and move on to 2025. I think that's a fair point, Bobby, and you know, let's get on to some brighter things here. 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He's got a 192 batting average against, and again, a 231 OBP and a 315 slug. The guy is striking out a ton of batters, 26 strikeouts and 20 innings pitch. Only 14 hits, seven earned runs, and something that I love to see from Susana. Only three walks, because that is something that really nipped him in the butt earlier on this season. He has made some adjustments down in Fredericksburg and has since made that translation over to high A, Wilmington. Susana is now one of those legit prospects that some people, you obviously know him, but I think he's going to be really jumping up some prospect rankings and really getting some national attention. What do you say about that? Yeah, I agree, I mean, I don't want to say the net he needs to, but I think when you're one of the pieces of the Juan Soto trade, you're always going to have a spotlight on you, especially when the trade went down two years ago, Mike Rizzo kind of pointing him out individually being like, "This is the guy." Susana was the reason that Josh Bell had to be included in that deal because Rizzo wanted him so badly, the Padres said, "Okay, you need to give up something else," so they gave up Josh Bell, and then the Nationals said, "Okay, well, we need a first baseman, so you get Lou Boit." But yeah, so, you know, Mike Rizzo has pointed out that Susana as the guy that they really, really wanted included in that Juan Soto deal, and which ended up also including Josh Bell in that package as well, so, but yeah, he's been great. I mean, I think it was five over his last six starts at Fredericksburg for scoreless. I think he struck out something like 50 over them and walked only like, you know, a handful, so that's a good sign after a rough start to the season. You know, the, you know, he gets pumped up to a level. It's only been 20 innings, so he's 36-ish less innings than he had pitched at Fredericksburg, but the whip is lower, the walks per night, innings is way lower, way, way lower, like we're starting almost three and a half more lower. So that's a really good sign, and you know, maybe it's just one of those things, and we've seen this with James, we've seen this with Dylan Cruz, we've seen this, we saw a little bit with Robert Hassell before he got hurt again this year, but sometimes these young guys, they just, you know, need to up the ante a little bit, you know, you just put them in a tough situation, put them against higher competition, and those competitive juices come out and they just perform better just because, you know, they kind of have to, or that's just who they are. They just perform at a higher level when they play at a high, or they're playing against a higher level. And, you know, Wilmington is a very picture-friendly ballpark, so that might be have something to do with it, too. I think over four starts, you kind of have an idea of, you know, what he's capable of, what he's doing, and just checking real quick, you know, two of his four starts at Wilmington have been in Wilmington, so that helps, but two of his road starts have been pretty solid as well, only giving up four earned runs collectively over those two starts. So yeah, I think Yarlen's coming into his own, and I do think that we're kind of just seeing that, you know, sometimes when a young guy plays at a higher level, or against tougher competition, he performs better, and hopefully that's the case for Susana as he continues to go up this farm system. Yeah, Susana has been incredible so far this season, and he's kind of one of those like forgotten about prospects, but we just talked about Nationals pitching prospects for nearly 20 minutes, Bobby. I mean, number one, hopefully people enjoy that, but also one of the main points, Nationals pitching and their prospects, they have never been in a better spot, in my opinion, under my graso. I mean, they just simply have not, probably since the Strasburg days, I mean, you can talk about Lucas Gileto as well, but the amount of talent, pure talent, young talent as well, that's already, as far as pitching goes in this national system so far, I mean, it is a wave of talent. You've got guys like DJ hers, who have made the jump to the majors, Mitchell Parker, then you have that second wave of Travis Sakura, Yarlene Susana, you also have guys like Brad Lord, who are knocking on the doorsteps of making his major league debut, you've got Cade Cavalli, who's going to be ready, hopefully, maybe makes us start this year, but as we talked about, we don't really know at this point, but he still has a ton of juice in him. So the Nationals, as far as pitching goes, they have never been in a better spot, and I love to see it, but of course, Bobby, I wish we could have more than 30 minutes every single day with you, but we always appreciate the time. Bobby Blocko from Mass and Sports, Bobby, thank you for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me, Ryan. I'm actually heading down to Bowie sometime this week, the Fredericksburg, sorry, Harris Brewery Senators are down there, so I'm going to have some more stuff with some prospects coming up, and I did talk to Travis Sakura recently, so have some articles and videos coming out on him coming up soon, doing so well, so thanks for having me. Of course, we'll talk about that when that comes out as well, and Bobby, real quick, you know me, I'm a weather guy. Does the game get on today? I was going to ask you that. You said no, you said we're kind of in a tough spot in the next couple of days. I say we play no baseball the next three days, no baseball the next three days, the next three days, maybe four days, just a cold nightmare for your boy. It will be a nightmare for your boy as well, because I also work at one of six seven in the fanhouse. Let's have a short show tomorrow. Not anymore. I'm not supposed to be at NASCAR again until Saturday, but you're saying I might have a double header that day. That might suck. Yeah. I mean, it could be me a triple header nom, but I mean, seriously, it's bad. I am noon. Yeah. Let's do it. All right. Well, seriously, let's do it. All right, man. We will see you Bobby Blanco from mass and sports.com. Catch me over on Twitter at Bobby underscore Blanco, and of course, you can catch me on Twitter at Brian Clary 11. We will catch you as in the flip side, maybe enjoy some baseball, but maybe just enjoy the rain. We'll catch you on the flip side. 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