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Kamala is brat, and it's finally time to talk about tradwives. I'm Jody Walker, joined by my co-host Chelsea Stark Jones. Chelsea, how are you doing today? Jody, I'm doing fabulously, except it is so hot in my Los Angeles apartment. So, hairs slip back into a clock clip, I'm in shorts and a workout top, and hopefully I do not sweat the entire record. But if I stay still enough, I'll be okay. So, if you don't see me moving, whereas I am inexplicably wearing this jaunty little bandana for just more coverage. I can imagine anything about my neck right now. My nose is already starting to break a little sweat. You did before we started recording, sort of get a really panicked look in your eye and frantically run off screen to get a clock clip, and I've deported that. I realized once I played with my hair, I felt so much better off my neck, I need to get something to keep it up. All my LA girlies and old buildings, I feel for you, this is a tough time for us. We'll make it through. Through September, at least. That's just a month and a half away. It's hell. Sorry, I'm not going to talk about weather. This is such a, this is probably- This is very boomer content. This is my mom. She, Elanda, will go on about weather for so long, so I'm just going to keep quiet. But you know what I will say, I so vividly remember as a younger person being like, "My hell is talking about the weather." If I ever get to a point in my life where I'm talking about the weather, that's what I'm relating to other people about. I'll just shut myself in the coffin. And guess what? I'm still kicking and I'm talking about the weather all the time because it is important. It's important to know. Maybe it's not important for like a nation of listeners to know exactly what is happening in LA, but maybe it is. Maybe it is. Maybe it is. But yes, we're going to, you know, cool you down with some culture. I have a very important update, but I'm going to heat you up. Yeah, I'm going to heat you up. Actually, we're so excited to be talking about the things that we're talking about today. One of them, I feel like Chelsea has been sort of teasing me with since before we started this podcast as something she's really interested in. Two quick updates before we get into them from last week's pod. One, thank you so much to everyone who reached out to me and was very supportive of my ADHD at or all journey. I felt very supportive. And I also felt very focused from the at or all. So that's great news. Love that for you. Which really ties into one of our bigger topics today is that Katy Perry released women's world last week or two ago last week we talked about it on the pod. Bit of a bash. The song isn't very good and everything surrounding the top song is very bad. And there was a moment in this week's pop culture news cycle where I bet Katy Perry really wished that she was coming into play that woman's world was going to be used in some ads in some campaigns. But it wasn't the news that we have received from Katy Perry is that she will be headline. I'm going to try so hard to say this. Katy Perry will be headlining the Telstra pregame entertainment at the 2024 Toyota AFL grand final. Which love that for Katy Perry when you sent this long. I had to AFL to me meant arena football league, but then I was like, that, that went down a few years ago. So I hit the Google and it's the Australian football league, which I would assume is a big thing in Australia. It's their like soccer championship, I believe. Yeah. But to go from the Super Bowl to the AFL grand final sponsored by Telstra. Katy, the larger part of this announcement is that she's headlining the pregame entertainment. So like not even the halftime entertainment. Oh, that I missed. Chelsea, I think there were like so many words in this that we didn't know what they meant that like I can tell that part didn't even like it didn't compute to me. Katy. Wow. I don't know. I actually had a response to this that I was like, you know what Katy Perry keep on trucking like that is what you're going to do. I hope you learn a valuable lesson not to work with Dr. Luke from this whole fiasco, but I actually we talked about this last week and, you know, I've preyed on it a little bit. And I do see a world where Katy Perry could have a comeback like could have a non flop, but she's going to have to keep going through it. Because like one of the most, you know, I think like just potent pop culture things in Katy Perry's arsenal is when Russell brand broke up with her via text or divorced her as for a divorce via text message moments before she was about to go on stage in like, you know, a bra entirely made of bubblegum and beach balls or whatever. And you it's in her documentary and you see her and she's, I'm laughing at you laughing I'm not laughing at you. You see her she's sobbing like and she could not look more clown as she's sobbing she's so broken up and then she goes up the stage lift she goes up on stage. And she slaps right into performer state shape she goes right into it in her body in her beach ball bra with left shark and right shark and like I do that is still that Katy Perry still there, you know like I do think she can get it back together. Maybe after the Telstra pregame entertainment at the 2024 Toyota AFL grand final. I, you know, I wish I shared your optimism. I just don't know what her management is doing with her here this is this is not, this is not this is not it guys I think we need to we need to rework some things. I would like a more like stripped down Katy Perry like I don't know like I mean it's too late for that we're already like hard into women's world she did a full album but like, I think this is, it's giving gimmick. And I don't want that for her we've we've we've progressed we've grown up we've moved on let's not let's not pretend we're brat let's not pretend we're not something we're not. Oh, I am pretending I'm brat and on that note I'm trying really hard. I'm trying to really hard to be the cool thing which is brat brat summer. So we've got to get online because basically nothing else has happened this week, except for learning on Sunday that Joe Biden would be withdrawing from the presidential race and 30 minutes later fully endorsed his Vice President Kamala Harris to take his place and the Democratic Party has been moving forward quite heavily with quite a few donations with Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee. It's not normally a political podcast politics has crossed so fully into pop culture this week with Kamala Harris. And I have not been able to stop watching this is like all I've been doing I haven't I have watched one episode of TV this week all I've been watching is Kamala Harris memes because they're coming so fast so furious. So importantly they're coming from Gen Z so like that's the craziest thing about this what I would call like a full vibe shift is that I think there was like a lot of talk before Joe Biden resigned that like Kamala Harris wasn't popular like she's kind of teased and made fun of like in the media and on TikTok and like she laughs a lot and all these different things. And then from the moment Joe Biden dropped out of the race and promoted Kamala Harris like everything shifted and she became wildly popular. And like in the popular vote sense I mean in the like sitting at the cool kids table which is Charlie XC X and Gen Z on TikTok so like what what are the first and base basically that just means nonstop means like we have long had a Republican nominee who is quite memeable and this is the first time probably since Obama that we have had a Democratic nominee who has a personality that is so strong that she is highly memeable. And when Obama was running TikTok didn't even exist so this is like a whole new era of campaigning and just a whole new era of memes I cannot believe the speed with which these things are coming out. And out there on the internet streets Chelsea. Yeah you know I have to say when this news dropped on Sunday I angry might be the wrong word but I was like such in a love island bubble that this like my first my bubble infiltrated my love island content with like as you said the internet works hard so much memeable stuff and I just wanted like to live in love island world for one more day I was like this announcement have happened on Monday and some of my favorite memes have been a hot new bombshell has entered the villa and it's I know Chelsea I thought you would have loved it because that was like I think because was it was Love Island's finale on Sunday. So the finale was on Sunday so like that's where my mind was and so this news came and I was like no guys were supposed to be talking about the Love Island finale. Like can we please say a message for one more day. Whereas I wish I have well shared here have just started at her all and so I've been doing laundry for four hours and you know haven't quite figured out how to sort of reconfigure my scheduling and my newfound attentiveness. I hadn't touched my phone in hours like I was so offline I had to be personally notified about like this huge national news but then once I got online. Everything I was seeing was like Kamala meets Love Island which of course made me think of you. So it was definitely my world's collided. I also have really enjoyed the older generation and even myself trying to understand what the hell brat is. I am in that bucket I do not know what that is I have been trying to understand it I saw the CNN clip of one old person explaining it to another old person and not really understanding it. I had seen the, I said, I said, I said, I said, I'm from the south Apple dance. Yes I've been saying the Apple dance. I have been thinking like, and I was going to actually bring it up last week like I've been so fucking cringe. They like move that way or do they speed up the video to like, make it look jittery. Okay well you know that I consume a lot of TikTok but I don't make a lot of TikTok so I'm, they're not making themselves a jittery I think they're recording it at one time speed and then playing it at two times speed and so it makes it look like something like that. Okay, because like that has been something on my mind since I've been seeing these videos like how do they accomplish this effect. And that dance was created by Kelly higher and it's so good and it's everywhere the twisters cast. Did you see the twisters? No, we've Glen Powell and Daisy it's very cute. Lisa Rena and the Harry Hamlin doing it which was actually like the cutest thing Lisa Rena's done in a really long time. And Ariana did a really cute one in her love island outfit at the villa. So yeah so I my my funniest takeaway and I think it's because it's what I resonate most with is trying to understand this whole brat phenom also don't like the green, like could it be an ugly or shade of green I don't, I don't get it. I'm happy for 10 years. It's a tough news. No big news for me to receive because I explained brat summer to you on this podcast. Not a few weeks ago, more specifically this so this was very early in brat summer when we talked about Charlie X the X and Lord. Working it out on the remix. I will give you that brat summer has escalated wildly since then. And I'm very happy for Charlie X the X and I'm very happy for Kamala because this is an extremely like symbiotic relationship where they're both really benefiting from one another. No, I would like to know in all of your efforts, your boomer efforts to understand brat summer. What have you come to? What do you, what do you understand? It's like a messy girl that wants to party and like has no worries and is just like whoo. It's like me in my twenties. Yeah. And it's like you in your twenties now in your thirties. Okay, we are receiving. We're receiving tough information from the outside, which is our Gen Z producer, Sasha, telling us that she actually thinks that brat is very millennial coated. She's a millennial. She's got Sasha. She has to prove it. She's cussby as hell. I've seen your cool glasses, Sasha. No, it's okay. Yeah, brat summer is not really in brat the album. It's not really about, you know, a generation or an age. It's just, it's honestly whatever the hell you want it to be. It's in the word. It's brat. It's reclaiming brat, which I think is like a thing. This is how I see it. It's like a thing that a lot of little girls were called like you're, oh, you're being a brat. Don't be a brat. But sometimes being a brat like meets good in sometimes being messy and partying and having a little fun. But I especially see it as this is it's like it's just doing what you want. And so that might be going out to the club one night, but it also might be like making a flavored water in your Stanley the next day like you can be basic and be a brat. You can be messy and be a brat. You can be Kamala and be a brat. So that's how all of this started is like Kamala is already getting memed to whatever the good version of hell is, excuse me, heaven. Kamala is getting memed to heaven. She's it's love Island. It's beep. One of my favorite shows. Yeah, that was another all time. Yeah, she's very beepable. She's also one of my favorite shows of all time. That's what people in politics say is like there are all of these political shows, you know, like, beep was like out around the same time or a little bit after. What was that Kevin Spacey show on Netflix house of cards and everyone was like people in politics want politics to be house of cards like you want it to be like steamy and crazy and racy and like. It's fucking beep. Like it's beep. Yeah, it's not scandal. It's not a bunch of idiots running our government. And that is proven over and over and over again. And that's what was kind of funny to me is like people kept saying like there's no precedent for this, you know, for like a standing president to drop out of the race for the next four years. And I was like, there is precedent. It's in beep. It's Joy Louise Dreyfus stepping up to the plate. So there were all these like beep memes and all these love Island memes and then there's start to be what's up. If Kamala is, you know, Vice President Selena Meyer, who is her Gary. I think it's Charlie X. It's all these, it's like all these young people making these TikToks like working so hard for free. Literally my favorite car. Like, he's so good. And he's in. I think he's in it in a new show right now need to check in on Tony Hill hive. He's in that, that feelings movie inside out. Oh, is he? Yeah, he's one of them. Inside out too. Yeah, yeah, he's one of the feelings. Haven't seen it yet. Cried really hard in a theater at Inside Out One. My mom was babysitting a child and had to just kind of, you know, surreptitiously act that I wasn't weeping at the idea of adolescence. But I was. The vibe really shifted from just kind of like Twitter memes to like, oh, something's happening here. People are feeling good and having a little fun, which is, that's just what's been so crazy about this week is like politics finally became interesting again. It's not like it's good, but it's not exactly a slog. It's like something that you want to pay attention to and watch. I mean, it's what happens when you put like a young or ish candidate back into the race and like young people are excited again. Who would have thought? Who would have seen this coming? Actually, you know who saw this coming? My ass. I said last week on the podcast when we were making fun of Katy Perry that if you want a feminist anthem to start a, you know, political revolution to base a campaign on. It's Chapel Rohn's feminine on. And that was the first Gen Z fan edit that I saw is a really good one to feminine on. But then Charlie X the X hops in the mix and she tweets simply, Kamala is brat. And this really changes everything. Kamala HQ makes its branding green. And I will give this to Kamala HQ. I think they're handling this new found popularity. Well, they're not sinking all the way into it. She hasn't done the apple dance. They've made like, they've reposted a few things. It's been like sort of subtle hints that they like what's happening, but they don't know what understands brat. Like they don't understand brat. No one understands brat except for Charlie X the X and maybe choice of on. And that's like the only people who can and whoever's making these fan edits. So then it just really takes off. And there are all of these fan edits to Charlie and Taylor and Chapel. And it's just been like kind of crazy to watch. Like, I did not see this pop culture crossover coming. And it's especially funny because they're using all of, you know, Kamala Harris is real personality and her real quotes, which like, we've been saying, you think you just fell out of a coconut tree. Were these were these memes you were familiar with Chelsea, like coconut tree and unburdened by what has been. I knew of the quote. So I never seen them in a meme to sense before, but I've what I was very familiar of all of the quotes. And it's just like unburdened by what has been as as it's our favorite of the face. Yeah, unburdened by what has been is the thing she has said 1 million times. And be and be unburdened by what has been, you know, what can be unburdened by what has been what can be unburdened by what has been what can be unburdened by what has been the story about her mom used used to ask her and her sister And I think you just fell out of a coconut tree. You exist in the context context of all which came before you exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you is like, I think a one time thing that became immediately iconic And it was also her laugh like immediately after which yes. Listen, as a giggle box myself. I didn't even know that that was like something that we should be trying not to do and I am keeping my eye on and she's like trying to laugh less now It's just like pretty funny. But yeah, it just like the sort of like young people getting in on this and I'm feeling scared that Sasha's going to correct me again. It's not young people. It's like medium people. I definitely think it's young people. I think they're trying to appeal to the young people and so they are capturing the moment which is very like like you said her team is like very smart about it. Young people are appealing to her. That's like that's what was so crazy is like it was coming. I just, you know, like it was coming from young people and then like Kamala is like attempting to embrace it and, you know, snatch that voter base which is like notoriously low But like young people getting really into something was just I think something that no one could have seen coming wasn't seeing it coming. No, it's been funny. It's been kind of. It's been goofy and I think it's her team is doing a really good job And it has been better for her because as we said those quotes and burden by what has been the coconut tree have have been negative slandered for her and it's been taken into a positive twist, which only young people could do turn a negative into a positive And Chelsea, you might not personally like that like neon chartreuse color. I hate it. That was the that's how they flipped it with a color like they flipped it with a color and a vibe Kamala is brat. Watch our fan edits. Now coconut is positive. I don't, I don't think I'm going to be able to get behind like calling something coconut gang, but I'm just too old. I'm too old for some things. You know, probably more importantly, Club Chalamet has weighed in and she's not too old for anything. It's been a really big week for Club Chalamet because the Bob Dylan movie trailer just dropped with Timothy. But she was really excited about Kamala and that came across my feed so quickly. I knew what Club Chalamet thought about this news and this transition before I knew what any other political pundits thought about it. I did. I know that you, sorry, taking it away from Kamala. And this is what you've been inundated with. Did you watch the trailer for Timothy. I watched it too scared. I am, I'm definitely a Timothy fan. I'm not a Timothy stand. So it's like, I'm willing to look in the eye if he is not good in something but I recently watched that Willy Wonka movie on a plane so that's not to be trusted. But I thought he was great in it and he was like he was really different than any other character I've ever seen him play. He was like a little more like himself, which is extremely like hyper and like kind of wild and young. So I feel like that made me really think of him as like a more fully rounded out actor. Okay, no watching him do a Bob Dylan impression. I'm just nervous. Sometimes I have to gird my loins a little bit to watch something if I'm afraid it might be embarrassing biopics are hard because they can very easily be embarrassing. So I understand your hesitation. Listen, well in the common note with this from she did the right thing, which is after all of this like great free Gen Z publicity after suddenly seeming cool after years of seeming not cool after like getting all of this cultural appeal. She did the right thing and she used Beyonce as her lead in song. She wasn't like you know what, I'm going to use chapel room. And on an album that talks about getting eaten out in the front seat of a car I'm going to use a chapel run song she said no, I'm going to take it back to lemonade and I'm going to use freedom. I know you liked that Chelsea. I did like I do like freedom. I was surprised by the pick, just because as you said it's a lemonade, it's a lemonade pick but it's a great song so I was thinking maybe something more recent. I'm American Requiem but that was a slow Bob so that's not like what you're going to do crawl on stage to American Requiem and I wish to use the operatic part of the week harder. She could have yah yah, but whatever. There's more time and there's going to be a lot of ads you know there's always a chance to get some cowboy Carter in there. But yes no and I'm glad she didn't do the obvious route of women's world which as you mentioned is something that Katie Perry was praying wishing hoping for. And just not but you know what she's busy she's booked. She's doing the off she's in pregame football. She's at the Telstra pregame entertainment at the 2024 Toyota AFL grand final so yeah you've got it. She's pretty good for Katie good for Katie good for combo good for brat. This is good for good for you know it really is a woman's world. It's just really a woman's brother here. Oh my gosh I can't. Katie. Anything else of the of the elk of the coconuts of the burdens. No I'm all good on coconuts I would like for you to lead us into what else was online this week. Which is really in your move of haterdom into eternity. Yeah I guess this is also kind of like a haters corner slash what's online it wasn't obviously did knock at the attention of brat summer slash Kamala campaign 2024. However it caught my attention and I sent it to the group chat and all I just said was this is iconic and Shannon Daugherty rest in peace queen passed away last week. And as one does when you know or know that you're about to die. Left instructions for her remains and her funeral service. She did have some interesting instructions of like where and who she wants to be buried with there was like one part like she wants to be like half of her with her dog we other half of her with her like that or something like that. Which yeah I would want to be with my dog. I love him. You're going full dog. Chelsea just looked over in the corner and like stared your dog in the eyes like a parent would their like eldest daughter to be like these are my intentions. I love him I'm afraid of like when I have actual human children like the amount of photos that I just take of Kobe all the time like will be replaced with kids and like that's embarrassing like it like I don't know anyways. So Shannon Daugherty's instructions. One of the one that really caught my eye is she put in her will there's a lot of people that I think would show up that I don't want there. I don't want them there because their reasons for showing up aren't necessarily the best reasons like they don't really like me. And you know they have their reasons and good for them, but they don't actually really like me enough to show up to my funeral. And she goes they'll show up because it's politically politically correct thing to do and they don't want to look so bad so I kind of want to take the pressure off them. And I want my funeral to be like a love fest I don't want people there. I don't want people to be crying or people to privately be like thank God that bitch is dead now. That's like honestly thanks Shannon like that that's really thoughtful really introspective of her understanding and something I never really thought of. People feeling obligated to go to your funeral out of like straight obligation but knowing that they hate you and that they are probably happy that you're dead like good on her. And you'll see I'd only read the headline that like Shannon Daugherty left a list of people she didn't want it her funeral. This the full quote gives more context, which is like there are people who are going to feel like they have to show up. They don't have to. I just want it to be like friends and loved ones who are really sad that I'm gone and not secretly celebrating. But we know Sharon we know Shannon Daugherty she said I don't want those bitches there. I don't they don't like me and I don't fucking like them like that's that's how I see it and I and yes good for sure it is important. It is important to your own livelihood and your eternal livelihood to keep some grudges you know to like to have some enemies and hold them close and don't let them come to your funeral. I think she does still have that list like I think there is a list this is the justification for said list but like also like how sharp would it be to be like on that list and know that you're not invited because she knows that you don't like her and she don't like you like that that is like a real lasting feeling after death like you you gave that to someone in the grave. It's like she dies knowing that and they live knowing that I have some logistical questions which are like how do the people find out where they notified via disinvitation or do they show up at the wake and get turned away because that that's drama. You have like a bouncer like getting into a club in your name. I don't know that's a good point maybe it's just like a very strict invite only thing else this also feels like very house I've coded like you're not invited to my cast trip like I'm going to go out of my way to tell you you cannot cut. Yeah, and it really like wouldn't matter if you were there or not but I'm telling you that you can't come because it's important to me and I appreciate this from Shana Daugherty may she rest in peace. She is like a pop culture figure that I didn't I guess was like a little bit before my time to latch on to the same except that I loved charmed and you know gone too soon. A show about three beautiful brunette which is one of them changes a season in so it was like I couldn't ever quite grasp on to her, but she's forever part of that legacy for me. 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Is your association with trad wives negative or positive. It's mostly positive yeah I love I love a good trad wife I do I gotta say I find them to be so interesting I find them to be. I don't want to say aspirational but there are aspects of said life that I would like to one day emulate in my own which is you know I yeah I would like to make sourdough from scratch I would like to make many of things from scratch. I like to cook I like to be in the kitchen if I had a bigger kitchen that had air conditioning like I would be doing a lot of trad wifey things outside of just making bone broth and scratch. So yeah I find them to be fascinating and their videos to be very calming. Great. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. With trad wives. I mean I would not call that association positive I would call it a fascination and an obsession. I think that I think that Amelia and I once recorded a pop culture history lesson on so it was when the it was when the moms on tick tock on tick tock were accused of swinging. Another time that I try to cook a cola product on air I made a dirty soda and tried. How that scandals been balancing out. Yeah. I'm gonna talk about that in a minute. I'm gonna check back in might have a check back in corner next week on the swinging moms and dads I guess of tick tock but you know it does always come back to the women and that is one of the things and we'll get into this like that I'm really interested in about this is kind of like the historical context of creating content in the Mormon church and and how that like continues to apply to this sort of like trad wives trend. They're particularly talking about trad wives this week because I genuinely feel like the only other thing that I was like seeing people talk about other than politics and maybe how hot Glenn Paul is and twisters and sisters press is that there was an article in the times about ballerina farm, which is a social media, the social media of a woman named Hannah Neilman, the piece was written by Megan Agnew. It's really not very long, like it's not a super long form article and it's got a lot of juice in it. There's a lot of juice in that squeeze. Yeah, so a couple of things and she notes this in the article and I actually find it interesting that it's like what hooked you is the Mormon aspect of it and when I watch my trad wife videos. I just associate from the religious aspect to it and she notes that and it's true, they don't put forth their religion and any of their content really. And Nara Smith is also a Mormon trad wife as well. And I think there was a one time when she talked about reading the Bible or like the LDS or something and people like jump down her throat and ever since then she start. Yeah, she stopped talking about religion. So when I consume the trad wife, it's it has literally nothing to do with the religious aspect to it, which was very heavily intertwined in this article. And another thing about the article is I do honestly think the reporter went into this day with them with one expectation of how this was going to go and the family had another expectation. And that's why it's so short. Like, I genuinely think Megan had the intention of like learning more about Hannah. And I think the family thought, or at least Hannah and Daniel thought, or maybe just Daniel thought that this was going to be about them as an entire entity and family. And like, therefore, would never leave her aside. So Megan couldn't get the real story of Hannah, which is why I think it was so short because I also was very surprised with the shortness of the article. And as reading it, I was just like, I feel like you could tell Megan was like, can this guy like get the fuck away? Like, I really want to talk to this woman and ask her like actual questions without her husband hovering or interrupting. Yeah, I totally agree. I think they had different expectations. I think that the story that came out was fairly short. I think it was fairly honest. Like, there are a couple of places where, you know, the writer is inserting some obvious bias, you know, like some obvious opinion. I think she's making it obvious. She's not stating it as fact, but like she couldn't have gotten these moments, these quotes, these literal quotes without them happening. And so, like, I think that what came out was a true and honest look at this lifestyle, which is what has made this article go quite viral, is that it's pretty harrowing. Like, some of the things that you hear Hannah say and the way that you hear or read Daniel talking over her, interrupting her, answering for her. I mean, I'm trying to think of the things that stood out to me most because so many things stood out. The article opens with the writer talking about how ballerina farm, who I did not know about. This is not, no Smith is in my algorithm, ballerina farm is not in my algorithm. That in January after she gave birth to their eighth child. I guess we should kind of, if anyone is also unfamiliar with ballerina farm, she is a trad wife, a homesteader with her husband and her eight children. She is known for making every single thing from scratch for mostly having home births without epidurals. And from her social media, extremely popular social media present, she has like 7.5 million followers on TikTok 9 million on Instagram. They have started a brand together from their farm that sells like meat and sourdough starters and all of this kind of like lifestyle stuff from this farm. Probably some people knew this, probably a lot of people were finding out in the article that Daniel, her husband, is the heir to the jet blue fortune his dad started jet blue as well as several other airlines and is a billionaire. And that plays a lot into how you sort of see these people is like, what are the stakes of their homesteading and of them subscribing to this sort of traditional lifestyle when like there's nothing traditional about being a billionaire, you know. But like some of the things that stood out to me from the story are when the writer Megan does get a moment alone with Hannah, she asks her about the home births about having births without any pain management and she Hannah tells her that she did have one of her children with an epidural when her husband wasn't there and she seems to kind of whisper this information to the writer that she had an epidural. And she tells her that it was great that and then repeats it, it was kind of great. And that's tough like you know you're only getting con that's all contextual but the context there would seem that he is the one who's wanting her to not have epidurals. Yeah so that's where I'm like you mentioned the writer's bias which it to me it was very clear this woman, I don't want to say doesn't approve of the lifestyle, but it's not for her and look I love a good trad wife. I to some extent would like to emulate some things about trad life isms into my own life one day, but this life is not for me, and I do not like this is just not for me but it is for her and it works for her and part of me wonders like you're talking to this reporter, you know, this has potential to get into the article. Are you winking and nodding like being funny and cheeky about your husband not knowing like and to me it was that is a context of it to me the bigger thing was her husband not being there for the second birth of the child like I understand you have eight and I don't remember what number of child this was five, six or seven, but if you're us is not next to me when I'm birthing your child we have bigger issues and whether or not I'm taking epidural like so that was it is a bigger thing. So again, like I kind of feel for her, I don't feel for him I think he's an ass and I think that but I also have to think of it in the lens of you know more about the Mormon religion than I do because I know you've gone down these rabbit holes but like if they are living their Mormon life like this is the model of the Mormon life is to center life around your husband and your family and your children and that is what it seems as if she's doing so like within that context like I respect it that's her life, her decisions, her choices, things that wouldn't work for me is the timeline in which they got married, engaged married and had their first child which is a three month timeline, which seems to have been all his insistence. She stated that she would like to date a little bit longer and you know she was a ballerina at Juilliard and wanted to continue that venture for herself and he wanted to get engaged immediately, they got married after a month of engagement and they had their first child after a month of marriage and they had and all of their kids are pretty like close in age it's like 12, 11, 10, 9, like very close in age so she's just popping them out. And that was another thing in the article that came up of like I think Megan asked something along the lines of like how do you decide when to have kids and Hannah's response was when God says and then the husband like again it just read douchey like feels like every nine months like it was religious in there every nine months and I'm just like dude like back the fuck off. She's asking about your wife's decision to have children, not your and I know it's a family decision when to have kids and you married, but this is your wife's body that's going through all of this like I just, there was there's aspects of him that just like he wouldn't be a man that I would want to center my life around which is why I'm not with him and she is, but there's just like he gave me the biggest egg of it all and and she seems actually, I don't know. I went to the TikTok afterwards and I was watching the videos and I was trying to like gauge like and it's hard to tell but like she does she just seems tired. There's a moment in the article where we learn that they have no childcare. They have a teacher that teaches them but her children, but she does have three kids that are not of school age so she is watching these three kids throughout the day while she's making homemade everything. Her husband does seem pretty involved. He doesn't laundry takes the kids out to the farm and stuff like that, but he states that there's moments in time where she is so exhausted she can't get out of bed for a week. To me, that is just unacceptable with a person of your means to like let your wife work to the fucking bone to where she has to be in bed for a week. Those are the aspects of it where I'm just like I don't think this woman is happy and when I went to the TikTok and like I just didn't, it didn't, I saw her through a different lens in which I seen her before like I had seen her videos before. Her trad wife content is not for me, Nora Smith is more my speed, she's glamorous, she's in a nice kitchen, she's not in a farm, but so I don't know like it kind of tainted her a little bit for me and the biggest takeaway I thought was like is she really happy and will we see this family on Dateline in three years? Well, that's kind of the thing about this article and the controversy that rises up around trad wives and this like idea of trad wives and of pushing it on social media sites like TikTok and Instagram as, you know, a thing to strive for like a thing that is, you know, a moral positive is, first of all, that is a long tradition in the Mormon church as a form of Evangelicism and like, you know, you say you're consuming the videos devoid of religion, but you're not, you're not thinking about religion, but when the content creators are Mormon, if they are really Mormon, you know, like they're kind of, they're levels to it, but Hannah and Daniel seem to be like quite practicing and come from Mormon families. That's in the history of the church is to promote the religion via social media, via video, via like these very public means, so like mommy blogging for the most part started with and became popular with Mormon moms. It's all trad wives are not Mormon, but a lot of the more popular ones are. And so I think something that this article did is like exposed that we or some people are kind of idolizing this kind of lifestyle that maybe the person who's living doesn't even like it, because that's what comes out of this article is that it seems like she's having a hard time, like this is not idyllic for her and she's chosen it and she might love it, but it kind of doesn't seem like she likes it. And there's a really tough moment in the piece where the writer asks Hannah, if this, and you know earlier you said like, if it's working for her, it's working for her and kind of the, it kind of seems like it's not that the writer asks her if this was her dream. And she says no like she loved living in New York City she thought she was going to be a dancer. She wanted to be a dancer she obviously wanted to put off getting married in order to put off having children she was the first like person in known history of being pregnant in undergraduate, like, Juilliard students aren't going there to get pregnant in college they're, they're going there to kind of like pursue their passions and you're always like allowed to redirect but I think that something that was sort of harrowing to read in this article is that it sort of feels like these people who create this content are idealizing their lifestyle when maybe they're not even enjoying it. And maybe they are sometimes but like it's just like social media doesn't paint a full picture. This also doesn't paint, you know, an article also doesn't paint a full picture but it does feel like a fuller picture has been painted between the two and it was kind of tough. Yeah, it is. And like look I could, I think that's a fair assessment for like anyone that we see on social media whether it be a trad wife or a work boss CEO wife or whatever like we're only seeing this we're only seeing what people want us to see. And a lot of the time it's the most glamorous aspects to it and I, I, I don't know, I, like I said it's hard and you mentioned her wanting to be a dancer and her living out that dream and I understand like as women. And this is also like a more complex issue too of like yes we all have these aspirations and dreams once we have children and that's why what your fucking husband wasn't there because I have more questions and I do have answers of like when she, when she was saying that she wanted to be a ballerina and the answer did she say like yes but eventually one day I wanted to have kids in a big family like I can't, I can't remember if anything is she says like she's like, you know, cuz her family or whatever families are like we all make we made a lot of sacrifices and we love this life we made a lot of sacrifices to get here and this is the writer inserting herself but she's also spent four hours with them she says like I look around and it feels like only Hannah has made sacrifices when Daniel has gotten all of the things that he wanted he's still a millionaire, he has the farm he has the family he didn't really give up his career aspirations which is kind of what Hannah says but Hannah did give up her dream and like in what being acknowledged but then also and this is what I always come back to with tradwives is like we call the people that we see on social media tradwives because they are displaying these traditional values and like the way that that can still exist and that that is what they've chosen like they've chosen a traditional lifestyle even in a more progressive environment but any popular tradwife that you are watching online is not a traditional wife they are an entrepreneur they are a content creator they are spending hours of their day making videos like that those are not people weren't doing that in the 1950s like that is a new aspect of life and it is also a money generator and to be fair she has said you know like she Hannah doesn't call herself a tradwife there are a lot of people online who do call themselves tradwives and who are out here taking sponsorships doing content creation making money and that's not traditional so it's just like it is a bit of a farce and I think that's another thing that this article exposed for some people is that like with a lot of these tradwives and we'll get into this with Nara Smith is like yeah we're watching you because this is it's fun like it's fun to watch people make cheese like how do you they are always making cheese like they are always squeezing something through a muslin cloth and that's like crazy to watch it's just like well I'm never making cheese so this is interesting you think and you know in the back of your mind that they're not like that they have help you know like you're like they have a nanny they have this and that and this article says no they have a house cleaner but she literally does everything else around the house he does the laundry but like she is doing all of this child rearing and everything and then she's also co owning their business and being this like wildly popular as an intelligent creator it's like it's just it's unrealistic and there's no right way to like live your life or be a woman or be a person but this it sounds kind of scary that she's having to like that she's getting so exhausted that she's having to go to bed for a week and that she's going to compete in a pageant two weeks after she had a baby it's all just kind of like whoa this isn't what we thought it's what it felt like to me I mean I just I want her to get some help maybe a nanny she needs a nanny a nanny and I know there are a lot of people who'd be thrilled to be their nanny yeah like and and and and I guess and another question is like why are they opposed to it is why and by they I'm sure it's the husband but as you mentioned with the financial aspects to all this our girl my girl Narasmith is also in some Chadwife drama and so yeah speaking of like how Chadwise you know monetize and make money and how this is not just as you said it's not traditional and many senses is because this is a full-time job for most of these women or all of these women and Narasmith is one of those and a few things popped up I you flagged the mark Jacobs thing for me yesterday I wasn't aware of that but I was aware of this ongoing content creator battle between Narasmith and a content creator in South Africa called Onazwa to backtrack a little bit Narasmith like ballerina farm is a quote unquote Chadwife she is also Mormon I think they live in Utah I'm unsure but she's a beautiful young woman they do not live in Utah they live in like Dallas oh okay nothing's real Chelsea nothing's real they might sometimes live in Utah but I remember in like maybe January there was like a big to do because they like went to the mall and everyone who lives in Dallas was like I'm sorry they live in Dallas like I live in Dallas to me it's always really looked like they live in like a luxury apartment which is like yeah very not Chadwife I do you know I've just spoken very freely about ballerina farm I feel like been kind of hard on her someone who I don't really know she isn't fair because I'm a total Narasmith apologist like I feel that what she's doing is kind of an act like yeah she's making cereal from scratch allegedly because her kids asked for it and so she gave it to him four hours later but like the way that she's doing it in the like upped glamour it's like no one thinks this is real no we didn't think you lived in Dallas but oh see to me I find Narasmith to be a little bit I don't want to say problematic but like yeah I'll say problematic because she is doing it in a full face of makeup with a gown on and like fuzzy feather things and she's making mozzarella with fuzzy sleeves and shit and I'm like this is not attainable no one wakes up this early in the morning looking that good all the time with that kind of outfit making fucking she's it's from scratch like no one does that like gum or whatever she does like this woman is crazy but so she she to me is a more glamorous aesthetic of being a trad wife and a couple of things came across my radar yesterday apparently she has been saying that she's 22 years old and now people are saying she's lying about her age because there have been articles that came out when her and her husband lucky who they have three children together got married the article said that she was 24 at the time which they got married in 2020 which would make her 28 today so I don't know the truth behind that I find that to be fascinating and because of this drama with her and own as well and now the smart Jacob stuff I'm starting to think she's a little weird and that she could be lying about her age but she's definitely weird yeah we'll start with you Nesba drama have you been following are you familiar with that? yes I mean I remember when it kicked up like a few months ago that O'Nesba was making lollipops and then Nara was making lollipops and then O'Nesba was making pad see you and then Nara was making pad see you etc yeah so like no one owns a recipe right but like it is a little suspect of Nara it's seemingly taking inspiration of content to do from O'Nesba because as Jody said O'Nesba would do something and O'Nesba's aesthetic is Lene's more looking like ballerina farm she was in like rustic farm-ish area in South Africa she's very farm to table she doesn't do the glamorous headshots and beautiful outfits and stuff like that but it is fascinating to see how she takes one from another and Nara Smith doesn't talk about it though so like all this stuff all the speculations going on online and she has not addressed it she hasn't said anything about it and like it kind of died down but then it popped up again when she made Thai noodles and it's just a little bit weird it's a little bit single white female type thing and then another thing that leaned into where I'm just like okay she definitely is taking people's content and I wholeheartedly believe this with the Marc Jacobs thing that you sent me yesterday so Nara got a deal add whatever with Marc Jacobs and she does a video to where she has a mini red Marc Jacobs bag she puts on a baking sheet because it's so cute you're gonna bake it and she puts in the oven and then she takes it out after it's done baking and it's a full size red Marc Jacobs bag it baked into a big Marc Jacobs bag it's so cute she's gonna go shopping and out for the day and I watched a video which is literally frame by frame the exact same thing from a creator named Mary Corlin who also seemingly did this collaboration with Marc Jacobs but this woman instead of doing a mini Marc Jacobs bag she used a cute little red cherry cherry and she puts in the oven and it pops out as a red Marc Jacobs bag and it's like legit like frame to frame the same same thing same concept it's really fascinating and I actually felt really bad for the creator like I found the creators page she addressed it the original creator Mary and just like how it's hard to be a creator and you have all these creative ideas and no one really you don't like really own an idea and what not but like it sucked for her because her videos only got a couple hundred views maybe a couple thousand views and then this Nara Smith one gets hundreds of thousands and everyone's saying how creative and smart and clever she is for such a funny and interesting video and Mary's like you know that sucks but they're somehow saying it about me so I guess I'll take the compliment and so yeah it's just like a really and I and I don't ever think Nara's gonna address this like ever Nara Smith apologists checking in now I do feel that Mary Corlin was robbed and she deserves a check from Marc Jacobs what she does on her TikTok is she sort of like creates branded content like for free like she takes a brand that she's interested in that she's obsessed with and as like a marketing professional she shows what she would do with a marketing campaign and so like I think she started doing that a while back and started sending her stuff to do it for them so she like came up with this branding concept for Marc Jacobs who sent her the purse there's no chance that Marc Jacobs didn't know that this original idea came from Mary Corlin there is a possibility that Nara Smith didn't know it came from her like it wasn't a viral video or extremely viral video I don't I think it is much more on Marc Jacobs who directs their creative campaign I doubt that Nara Smith like pitched this idea to them they were like oh her whole deal is she like makes things from scratch will have her make a Marc Jacobs bag from scratch and we will use every inch of this content that was created on TikTok for free now if you're being like moral and ethical you would give the original creator like an ideation check and they didn't do that so I don't know I don't know why I support Nara Smith I don't know if she's stealing from Monazua I literally don't know what she's doing when I watch her videos I'm like what are you doing and she speaks with lobotomy voice in my mind she does that on purpose there's just something about hers and then there's also this woman that people call like weird neck woman you know her I don't know her actual username that is like how people refer to her is like weird neck woman or weird neck girl and she makes all these trad white videos really ever see weird which always reminds me of like the broke neck woman from haunting of Hill House excellent terrifying show weird neck lady she only she dresses up all elegant like you know she's all done up she makes she only ever shows one side of her face and no matter what she's doing and she moves with these very like intricate like fairy godmother sort of movements and so she like moves her neck very sort of strangely and she also she's doing the real things she's like her kids are sometimes in the she's really making this stuff from scratch she's really making her kids elaborate meals she like she really does seem to be a homemaker but she definitely seems to be doing the more heightened versions of these things like a satire and I don't know that Norse myth is doing like full satire but she's definitely making dollar and it's fake it's fake trad wifeery so I guess that's why I feel fine about it I also feel fine about traditional wives it's like it's like when it becomes content you always have to look at something with a more skeptical eye yes yes okay I know fake neck lady I'm trying to pull up her username so people could visualize it if they know her too we're neck lady she she yeah I haven't so her content is content that I can't really fully get into because I know how satire it is like she kind of annoys me I love it so but like I do like that let me tell you what I'm not looking for tips and tricks when I'm watching trad wives I'm not like oh and that's the thing is like you're not it's not who the content is between you and me I'm like I'm bookmarking for one day when I have a beautiful big kitchen for all the months of other cheese I'm going to make one day no when I'm watching food occasionally I'm like hmm maybe I could make that maybe I will get a ninja creamy like healthy protein ice cream no the hell I won't I'm not doing any of this stuff like when they are making cheese I like literally never know what they're making when they start making the cheese and then all of a sudden they're slicing something up into rectangles that I literally thought was a liquid and then it gets kind of exciting it's like oh they're doing cheese again I just like I can't believe it I love it all I really watch the Norris Smith one where she's making bagels and cream cheese because it's kind we didn't even get into lucky blue Smith who was like a whole other thing and lucky blue Smith and Nora Smith are like these wildly attractive glamorous models Mormon and I mean lucky blue Smith has been around for so long like he became like a famous model when he was 12 so then that she just marries him and starts like getting and it's like it's not lost on me that she got really popular while she was making trad wife content while pregnant like the ultimate trad goal anyways she made him bagels and cream cheese and I just like couldn't believe she was making cream cheese from scratch I've just I've never seen anything like it and Chelsea I fully believe in my heart that you can make cream cheese from scratch once the temperature goes down a little bit Thank you Jody I don't think you know how much that means to me I don't because I don't want it to mean that much to you but I know that it does I love cooking it's so fun and yeah it's great to love cooking I love I mean it's wonderful to love cooking I wrote you know you can check out a Julia child piece I wrote on the ringer.com about how badly I wish that I loved cooking because when people talk about it and like that it's that they enjoy it that it's a stress relief like that like it seems so it's so not wonderful to not love cooking yeah but I can't it's a great joy well let's talk about what we can do and we can talk about what we're obsessed with so Jody I'll kick it off to you because I feel like I always go first what are you obsessed with this week Well it's you know it's a very special I already I've got a spoiler alert on what yours is so I already know that it's a very special full Olympics edition. We are very excited about the Olympics up here we're getting geared up and I'm mostly getting geared up on by watching Sprint on Netflix which I again recommend and also tuning in to TikTok and Instagram Reels. I think there's been a lot of conversation recently that's been pretty funny about like how you know like millennials get stuff on Instagram Reels like four weeks after TikTok and I totally find that to be true because I mostly use TikTok but when I get on Reels and for this person's content especially so I really love Elona Mayor, Mehar, Mehar, Elona, ILONA last name M-A-H-E-R if you're not following her she is on the US Olympic rugby team. She is an excellent content creator she got pretty popular very popular at the last Olympics and like I watch her year round this is not this is not like tied. To the Olympics but her Olympic content is so good she like shows all of the outfits she's very funny and she's very flirty so like I know that people are when I say people I mean myself are really into the Olympic villa. I'm so sorry the Olympic village that comes from one of her TikToks where she's like I can't wait to go to the Olympic villa and they're like Elona it's not like this is not Love Island it's the Olympic village and she's like it's the Olympic villa for me. So she's just like she's very fun talking about like dating and you know flirting at the Olympic village. She just made a really incredible tik-tok about feeling like Sue Sylvester in the like a lip official USA track suit and she does look like Sue Sylvester. She's just she's so funny I love her and she's really given us the good head like how are you like doing Olympic training it is so hard for me to make a tiktok or Instagram real it's hard for me to make an Instagram story like I don't know how she's doing this at the same time And then also Simone Biles who is not quite as prolific but she just put out a very excellent tiktok about what she called her version her version of Jim Tan laundry for the Olympics which is here nails wax and also lashes that I need to watch it. Oh yeah that's also that's like so my vacation you know pre agenda is the same as Simone Biles's Olympics pre agenda. Yeah so I'm also obsessed with the Olympics I'm really excited as you've noted to see the stars that you know come out of it we are in a unique time with having tiktok and social media to like really attach ourselves to our favorite Olympics but my specific obsession is the living conditions we talked about the air conditioning last week that apparently team USA is bringing in and then Tom daily US Olympic diver posted to tiktok what these cardboard beds yes we are having our Olympians sleep on cardboard beds. These are the beds that you're not supposed to you know like make sweet village love on like it's supposed to just be for sleeping and they are made out of cardboard boxes and I don't understand how we put some of the best athletes in the world on those beds and I was watching the Pat McAfee show today and they had Austin rivers on talking about team USA basketball and how like awful they've been coming up to the Olympics and the comment came like how's LeBron gonna sleep in a cardboard box and Austin said team USA basketball does not sleep in the village they stay somewhere else so now it got me thinking like where do all the quote unquote elite athletes go as Simone sleeping in the village sleeping in the village is Coco golf sleeping in the village like who gets village sleep as opposed to hotel sleep somewhere else with actual air conditioning is that a thing is there a hierarchy like I need someone in Paris to investigate this is now I'm curious if LeBron's not sleeping in the cardboard box who is who is it is my greatest dream that the production company that makes drive to survive and now sprint will do a drive to survive style take on the Olympic village every two years and just I want to know everything and I appreciate these Olympians like putting in the work and showing us the cardboard beds, Alona also has a very great tick tock about where like the whole Olympic rugby team is jumping on these beds like they're fine they're very sturdy but I did recently myself I was like doing something in the house and there was like a cardboard box nearby that was like it was like full or it seemed really sturdy I was like maybe I'll just sit down on this and that was not I couldn't I can't sit on a cardboard box that's not how it works but they had the bed the beds are sturdy but like they shouldn't have to be doing this content themselves there needs I need to see them I need them to be doing testimonials and I need to develop even more parasocial relationships with them yeah I mean as Alona said we can make it into the villa and have beach hut where they go do confessionals and we see that would be really fun like I hope one of the teams like does something like that like a fun like we're up late we're going to make quote unquote we're gonna have a good time we're gonna give the people what they want back home in America I love that for us but yeah excited for the Olympics to kick off they kick off this week it is very exciting and very exciting for you is that I'm about to send you like 40 Olympic tiktoks you guys thank you so much for listening to we're obsessed and obsessing with us this week we will see you back here next week thank you Sasha thank you Chelsea bye you (upbeat music) [BLANK_AUDIO]
