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And inside, the design is modern and intuitive, with available leather trimmed seats and a panoramic glass roof. Whatever your vibe, it's a Camry vibe. Learn more at Toyota.com/camry. Hello and welcome to a very musical episode of We're Obsessed. This week, everyone is obsessed with ragging on Katy Perry and we are right there with them. It's the 20th anniversary of two iconic musical moments. And also, the star-spangled banner got a musical moment this week, unlike it has had since, maybe, Fergie. And we're here to talk about it all. I'm Jody Walker, joined by my co-host, Chelsea Stark-Jones. Chelsea, how are you doing? I'm doing great. I really didn't realize how musically obsessed we were this week until you just rattled everything off. It's all music. Obviously, I'm binging a Netflix series as well in between all of this. But it's been a musical week and a bit of a haters week. What can we say? And it's just a lot. How's it hitting ya? Good. The show has really informed me on how much of a hater that I am. I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. You need a little hate in your life, so I'm here to give it to you guys. I'm trying. Chelsea, I'm trying. You know who gave me a large assist this week? Katy Perry. She's such a strange goose. I know we're going to get into it, but Jody, how are you this week? Oh, Chelsea, I'm doing pretty well. I lightly warned you offline that I was maybe going to do an overshare. And do you know what? I wouldn't have warned you, except I remember that time that you told me that you were doing a bone broth cleanse live on air. And I was so flabbered, so gassed that I could barely compose myself. And let me just quickly ask you, I think at the time, I said I'd check back in after about four weeks. You still bone brothin? Yeah, I'm actually going to do a badge this week. She's got a fresh pile of chicken feet and she's ready to get some collagen. I knew you would, Chelsea. I knew you would. I knew you'd keep going with it. It's a lifestyle. Well, I have a new lifestyle and I lightly warned you offline. And maybe this is an overshare and maybe it's an HR violation. But I feel that you are my cohost and anyone who's listening to this weekly is going to be along on this journey with me. And that journey is that after kind of suspecting and wondering and thinking about it for, I don't know, six years, this week I was finally diagnosed to the extent that you can be with ADHD and started at all for the first time today. So I'm just really curious how it's going to be coursing through my veins. I'm feeling pretty good so far. But also, Chelsea, like one of the funniest things is that this is a two part or one, to get diagnosed with ADHD, you know, and to be medicated for it, you have to go to the psychiatrist, you might have to take some tests. There are a number of things that you have to do, which is very hard for a person with ADHD to do. So I started trying to go to the psychiatrist in April. And then the psychiatrist was like, wonderful, would love to speak to you here are 18 forms to fill out. And I was like, I will do those tomorrow. And then I did them in June. And then I went to the doctor in July. But another real indicator for me is that for the last two weeks, as I've been talking about my Coke Zero saga. And thank you so much to people who continue to send me tips on how to quick chill my Coke zeros. And also, if you have sent me tips, I did accidentally delete all of my Instagram requests messages recently. So please send them to me again. Cold world. We're on it. We're on a theme here. When we have been talking about my Coke Zero saga for the last two weeks, you've been by like, but Jodi, why can't you just put the Coke zeros in the refrigerator? And every time I think in my head that Renee rap quote where she's in an interview and she goes, ADHD, ADHD. It's like a very signature TikTok sounds. And yeah, that's why. That's you. Well, you know, at least you know, you know, at least I know. And as my co host, you are forced to be on this journey with me first, first day. Do we feel more focused? I felt a lot more focused while I was prepping for this podcast and thinking about all the things that we were going to talk about. I also feel a little bit dizzy, but that could be for any number of reasons, maybe for staring at this computer screen for two hours while I thought about all of the different musical moments that had happened. But honestly, this overshare for me is a perfect segue into another update that we have from last week's episode, which is also an overshare, which I'll pass to Chelsea as Gypsy Rose is your girl. My girl Gypsy, keep me honest, keep me at real with us. I was on the old TikTok the other day, and I come across Gypsy, leaving a comment, clarifying the timeline that I think we all needed, but not in such detail of her breakup, reconciliation with her ex fiance and then now pregnancy. So she let the world know. She left Ryan on March 23 had a period on April 17 made love with Ken and only him April 27, 28, 29th and 30th conceived on May 4th and positive test on May 24th. In all caps, she writes, Ken is the father. So Gypsy, like, what hard do we have? Are we journaling every day? Do we have this in our calendar? Is this like on your flow app? Like, I'm just curious how she is tracking everything for one and for two. I mean, you could have just, I didn't need to know the period date and the dates of Ken of getting it on, making love as she noted, and also when the baby was conceived. Like, my favorite part is definitely made with love with Ken and only him April 27th, 28, 29th, 30th. Congratulations to Jamie and Ken under very healthy, making love life. I mean, like, in many ways, I want to say that she didn't need to do this and she didn't need to do this. But right here on this very podcast, we also had some questions about timing. And I imagine when you break up with your husband, immediately get back together with your ex Beyonce, both relationships started in prison and lifetime is filming your every move, then like, you keep a little bit of track of when what was happening. I mean, it's just very typical for Gypsy, as we've talked about last week, too. It's, you know, her mental, like, maturity is just not of that of a 32 year old woman because of all the stunted growth that she has had. So to her, I'm sure this felt very reasonable and logical to set the record straight. I am also intrigued by the 27th, 29th, 30th. Were they on vacation or was this just like everyday lovemaking? Because that's a lot four days in a row. Well, I mean, they just got together. Like, they're, she broke up with her husband at the end of March. It's a very new relationship. But then conceived on May 4th. So four day break, honestly, it's, we're going too far. Now we're like, we already got too much detail and we're digging even further into it. I do wonder if she is a fan of the show of Maury because I did appreciate the all caps of Ken is the father. Like, it just set me back to being sick in middle school and watching Maury. Well, and the whole Gypsy Rose saga is such a row back to Maury and Jerry Springer. And it is, it is her real life. And we're watching it play out on Lifetime and also on TikTok where this news was revealed. Thanks, Gypsy. Appreciate it, girl. Thanks so much. And thank you, as always, to normalizing, talking about periods. This is normal. Women's health is normal and it's ours. And, you know, another segue alert to Haters Corner. I think if anything is true, that this is not a woman's world. It is Gypsy Rose having to share her period and conception schedule online. We knew it was coming last week when we recorded, but we weren't quite there yet. Katy Perry released her new song and music video, much announced by her and much publicized as a sort of comeback after a pretty extensive flop era. The song is called Woman's World. To me, it was very funny because I knew that Woman's World was coming at 7 p.m. Eastern for a very long time last Thursday. And then it was like suddenly announced that Joe Biden would be doing a press conference at 630 Eastern. And for just a second, I was like, are these two things related? And what did Katy Perry come out with? But the most like politics, ass sounding like this was supposed to be Hillary Clinton's walk on song. But here we are eight years later. And it's a different world. This song Woman's World has been pretty universally panned by everyone except Katy Katz. But I think even Katy Katz are like, uh oh. The Daily Beast headline was Katy Perry just flopped so hard. It's shocking. Can she recover? Rolling Stone headline, Katy Perry's Woman's World is the end of 2010's pop. The cut headline, Katy Perry is stuck in 2016. What were your first thoughts when you heard Woman's World Chelsea? She's stunned. The woman was too stunned to speak. I just, it's, it's, it's bad. And it's bad on a lot of levels. I think the main level is that it's a song that is supposed to be about like empowering women and it's a woman's world. But the producer of the song is Dr. Luke, who is infamously known as Kasha's, I guess we'll say alleged rapist. She has accused him of sexual assault. Yes. So that is just sickening in of itself. And then the song is just really, really, really bad. It's not fun. It's tryhardy. It's like, I remember when she released the clip, everyone thought it was AI generated. And it just feels like a song that you would type into chat GBT and say write a song about being a girl and a woman and how fun it is. And like, it just is not, it's not it. And then I was like, you know, I love songs about women. Like, I love like empowering women's songs. Like, why don't I love this song? And then I looked up the lyrics to Run the World Girls. And I think it's just like literally the lyrics. The lyrics are just so different. Like, some of the men think they freak this like we do, but they don't make your check come out. They neck disrespect us. No, they won't. Like, that is just so much better than what we have with Miss Katie Perry of sexy, confident, so intelligent. She is heaven sent, so soft, so strong. She's a winner, champion. Like, it's just like, okay, adjectives. Like, I get it. The source. It's unbelievable. And like, I'll say this, you know, we're hating on it. Everyone is hating on it. I am legitimately obsessed with this. I cannot believe it. Like, it feels like such a troll on a couple of levels, but it's not a troll. It's it's in earnest. As far as I understand it, the song isn't an earnest. And if you can't tell if something is a satire, then it's not a successful satire. The song itself is called Woman's World. I think the reason that it doesn't feel good to you, Chelsea, as a lover of feminist anthems of women empowerment songs is that nothing feels empowering about right now in 2024 being like, this is a woman's world. And we are living in it. No, the hell it's not. It's not like this is not it's not a good time for women as a whole, you know, our bodies are being policed. We are just like, there are lots of reasons that it's not a woman's world. And you can make music that empowers women that doesn't like make a joke of us, I think, which is what like you those these lyrics sexy, confident, so intelligent. She is heaven sent so soft, so strong. You are describing toilet paper, like what is happening? And then we get the music video, which after and you watched it before I did, Chelsea, what did you um, would you think about living in that woman's world for two and a half minutes instantly take me out of it. I think when my mind completely shut off to this and was automatically like, I hate everything that's going to come after this was when they were peeing in the urinal and like trying to make it cool and sexy or whatever. And I was just like, what the fuck is this? Um, and and then the gas pump into the buttocks, the makeup with the with Trisha Paytas, like it was just like all messy and dumb. I didn't understand her and the influencer and taking the ring light and jumping on the helicopter at the end and just like all of it was just so stupid. And just like also not a reflection of what like a strong woman shouldn't be like, I know it's like a fun, poppy song, but like if we're using said adjectives of womanhood and what she used, sexy, confident, intelligent, have instant all these things. Like I would have liked to see more mothers, I would have liked to see more women in business. I didn't need to see Katy Perry's boobs pushed together with two star spangled bra straps, you know, it just like very much felt like, you know, and I and I love like women owning their sexiness and whatnot. But it just, it felt, it just felt cringe and it felt like she was doing it just to show off in a way that was not to move the message along. And I just, I, I was just, there is something about you saying that you would have liked to see more women in business in the music videos that is actually how that music video got made. They're like women in business, influencers, Katy Perry, urinals, thongs coming out of the back. There is a, like, uterus bedazzled uterus hanging from a truck, like a, like a, like a truck charm. Like how they do like, yes. What message is that sending though that like our woman dumb is directly connected to a uterus. The thing is, I actually kind of, for a minute, I was kind of like, okay, LOL at the beginning of the music video, which Katy Perry, then after this music video comes out and completely flops. And we have to say that Katy Perry, I'm going to get back to the music video, but Katy Perry is such a fascinating figure. She is one of the most successful music artists ever. She's set crazy records for her singles. She performed at the Super Bowl after, like, only, I mean, you know, she put out her gospel album a long time ago that didn't do much, but only like three main albums. But those albums had like so many singles, so many hits that she credibly headlined the Super Bowl and had like the most views until Usher, maybe, like for a long time. - She's great. Love the gay sharks. - She's as Andy Cohen. - Love shark, right shark, all the sharks. You know, like, that was, it was, it was full Katy Perry, beach balls everywhere, like very pop. And she did that really successfully for, it actually wasn't that long of a time, you know, like 2007 to 2012. Like she had such a run. And then her 2017 initial supposed to be comeback witness flopped so hard that it like introduced the phrasing flop era to our pop culture vernacular, like Katy Perry and the flopping of witness is responsible for flop eras. My flop era, your flop era, many of them, we're all going to have them. And so for her to come back with this kind of return to her old pop era, but we're in a different world. So after the music video flops so hard during President Biden's address, which was ultimately unrelated, she puts out on social media this kind of behind the scenes clip where she says that the video or at least the first part of the video where she's like in Rosie the Riveter drag is satire. It's supposed to be sarcastic. It's supposed to be on the nose. And then she gets smushed by an anvil. And what I need to know is, and then what, because then what happens in the music video, is I think what she thinks is then she becomes kind of like these Gen Z pop stars that we're all really interested in, you know, like she becomes then Charlie XCX, Chapel Rhone, Renee Rap, people who are doing really interesting and weird and sort of like ironic things with music and with feminist anthems to which I say this is not feminine by Chapel Rhone. If you would like a modern day, ironic anthem about women, then you can get it hot like Papa John on Chapel Rhone's album. This isn't it just doesn't make any sense. What's happening like doesn't make any sense in the music video, but then what's especially confusing for me and her saying that the first part of that music video is a satire is like that part of the music video is really indicative of what the song is. Like the song is like to be a woman is to eat gummy hair vitamins and use, you know, a viral vibrator that you see below every tweet like and to drink women's whiskey. Like this is what she's doing in the beginning of the video. And then it honestly should have changed. I think if like the whole video did not, then I would have been like, maybe this song is a satire. Maybe. Yeah, it's not. I, her coming in and saying satire is just like to me, her trying to save it. And the song itself is like, it's fine. It is, as you said, Circa Hillary Clinton 2016 walking out at the DNC or something like that. But it was fine. The music video is what really just put it over the edge of like, this is bad. And like for me, like I am a visual person. I think it was espresso when I first heard the song. I was like, I don't really love it. I'm working like, because I'm a singer or whatever. Then I watched the video and I saw little Sabrina Carpenter being picked up in like 19 through 50s. Like, like, it was cute. And I was like, this song is a bop. This music video killed the song. Like it did. Like the song had some, some like redeeming qualities, some, not a lot, but the video itself killed it. And it makes me wonder, like, when you're at this stage in an album, because she is releasing an album, and I'm sure the entire album sounds like this, do you say maybe I should go back to the drawing board? Like, what do you do at this point? Are you just like, gotta go with it? Because we put millions of dollars into production. And we're gonna really hold strong to this. Like, I don't, like, what do you do now? It's a great question. Like, is the most respectable thing Katie Perry can do right now is scrap millions of dollars of investment and just not put out this album, cut her hair into a blonde pixie cut again and try that over, you know, maybe try that era over. And not the 2010s era. It's just you, you know, it was that that headline that I read that, like, Katy Perry just flopped so hard. Can she recover? And actually, don't know if you can recover from putting out a song called Woman's World that you have chosen to produce with the man that has been accused of sexually assaulting Kesha and has, like, been the reason that Kesha hasn't been able to put out music in years. And by the way, listen to Joyride by Kesha, which is currently beating Woman's World on the charts and is extremely brat summer, extremely subscribe to brat summer. Yeah, it's a fun song. I don't know if you can come back from that. No, because you put Woman's World out because you think it is the best song on the album. Like, for the debut single of the album, you think this is like, what's going to get people to want more? And like, I don't want more. So I'm just like, what could she do with this? How could she spin it? Because saying it satire is not a good spin. And it's not like we expect amazing lyricism from Katy Perry, one of her, you know, Chelsea, do you ever feel like a plastic bag is a question that I might ask you? But like, all of her other songs that are these, like, pop anthems that really took off, they sort of come from this, like, point of view of being an underdog and overcoming it. And it's just really interesting, like, in this moment, in this comeback moment, that this, like, vapid, statementless, rudderless. And, you know, our producer, Sasha pointed out to us weeks ago with, like, all the imagery that was coming out is like that she's very clearly trying to do this, like, gen Z thing that the other girls are doing it. And it's not like she's too old to do it. She just seems too out of the loop to be doing it. She's too old to do it. She is a millennial. She needs to say in her millennial lane, like, please, give me my millennial love and, like, don't abandon me to be a gen Z or if that took stay true to you, boo. But that's the question is, like, what is true to Katy Perry? Who is Katy Perry? Who is Katy Perry? Who are you as, as the end of the video asks with, okay, and now I do, I do have to say, I would like that ring light that is shaped, like, like the female symbol. I would like that. It was fascinating. It was like, this is nice. Yeah. There were like, there were a couple of consumerist things in the video that I was like, I would like that. But then I also don't understand the, like, making fun of it does, it does feel like the song is making fun of me, which I don't like. Yeah, I agree. I wish we could go back to the good old California girls, Katy Perry. That's how I fell in love with her. An anthem for me, myself. So true. 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More music, because okay, honestly, this news in the headline or in our in our outline really shook me to my core. It's giving nostalgia is giving. Oh my fucking god. I'm old. I'm 20 year anniversaries of these two albums. Kelly Clarkson's Breakaway and Ashley Simpson's autobiography. When I saw that it was like 2004, 2004, 20 years ago, like I just can't, I can't believe like I genuinely can't. And it, I don't know if you've seen like, so I, my brother, he goes to Cal and like a lot of like Cal football and like other collegiate football, you know, Instagrams and stuff. They'll ask like, you know, like the little question is like, what is old to you? Like what year is someone old? And like, oh, no, the years in which these people are saying, 1996, they're like, 1996 is old to them. And I'm like, if you were born in that year at all. If you were born in 1996, you are now old. Like, if you were born in the one, some of them were respectful, but even even still, they're like, 1984, you're old. And I'm just like, oh my god, like, these are my peers. Like, and so, yeah, this, this, this, you know, checking ideas got a lot easier a while back because like the cashier can just look at if you were born in the 1900s or the 2000s, because people born in the 2000s can be 24. It's a gross, it is gross, it is despicable. And this 20 year anniversary of these two albums, like love that for them, but please like, stop attacking me. No, Chelsea, you know, one of my favorite reveals of doing this podcast with you is how frequently you are freaked out by time to me. The fact that Breakaway by Kelly Clarkson came out 20 years ago is not shocking. That feels like it came out 20 years ago. But I needed us to talk about these important 20 year reunions because Katy Perry was hard on the culture, you know, like getting that single was hard for me personally. It was hard for pop culture. It was hard for the pop girly music fans. It just like so was not a win. This feels like a win to just remember Kelly Clarkson, one of the greatest artists we have, who is out there covering a song on her talk show every week. It's such a treat every week to be like, Oh, Kelly Clarkson covered another amazing song and did it as well or even better than the original artist. And it all started with her winning American Idol, which not for nothing is where Katy Perry has been for the last 20 years is just being a judge on American Idol. And putting out Breakaway, which ultimately is really different than a lot of the music that she went out to like went on to put out in her second album. But great song. It makes me want to cry immediately. The first like I pulled up Breakaway the album. Almost every song to fucking banger like Breakaway since you've been gone behind these hazel eyes because of you walk away. Beautiful disaster like this album. I forgot how good it was like I'm as soon as we're done recording, that's what I'm going to be listening to for the rest of the day. Um, I since you've been gone, like legendary breakup song, you would play it any time like I just recently made a breakup playlist for a friend of mine who was in a 10 plus year relationship. This man is awful. I will not dox him, but I wish I could until everyone to stay away from this human being. Um, anyways, but did you just know, is that like a thing that people do or did you just think to do that to make a breakup album for her? Oh, I made a full break up playlist playlist. Um, you know, I, yeah, it was very fun. She moved to Miami. So like I added some like fun Miami bangers and there's a whole vibe. It's a really great playlist. Um, it'll make you cry. It'll make you dance. It'll make you happy. And you put since you've been gone on there? Oh, yes. Of course. Like that is like the anthem of breakups. And it's just like every time I play it in the car, it's like, it's also the breast shower song just like belting it out. I love Kelly Clarkson. She is a true American treasure. Um, protect her by all, by all means this. Yeah. Um, Ashley Simpson's album though break our autobiography. What was your relationship with that one? Lately less prolific artists. Yes. But this, like this is the, it's giving nostalgia of it all. It's like that Ashley Simpson album was from such a specific time. Chelsea, did you watch the Ashley Simpson show on MTV? Did I watch that? Am I a millennial that grew up in the 2000s? Yes. Chelsea don't act like when I ask you things, it's an automatic yes. Sometimes it is a real, a real blank stare and a no, but I, oh, I'm so thankful. Chelsea, I'm so thankful that you watch. I mean, I can remember Ashley Simpson, deciding to dye her hair black and doing it in the sink like before a big performance. So specifically, and there are just so many pieces of me, so many great songs on that album, got a lot. I mean, you make me wanna la la la in the kitchen on the floor. I'll be your pantry and like her coming out with that. And it felt so scandalous because it was so anti Jessica Simpson, her saying, you make me wanna la la on the, in the kitchen on the floor. Okay, so when I, again, as I heard the song as a teenager, I did not know anything about what she meant being a French maid, opening the door, any of those things. And so when I heard it today, when I replayed it as an adult, I was like, oh, wow, like, how old was she? This came out 20 years ago. A 19 year old Ashley Simpson talking about this was pretty scandalous. And also at 19, was I thinking about being a French maid and opening the door? Like, I was in college. Like, my dorm room, like, what are we talking about? But yes, actually, that is what you think sexuality is at 19. You're like, the sexiest thing I can do is put on a French maid costume. And then, you know, kiss on the mouth, and then the lights go black, like, and then nothing else happens. Like, that's what that song was, is it was like a hint of sexuality. Oh my God, I'm reading the lyrics. I'm like an alley cat drink the milk up. I want more. I want more. Yeah, that is a nest. That is, this is dirty. Oh, Chelsea. It's iconic. That's what it is. And now she's just like, casually married to Diana Ross's son. Like she. So the huge news of this is not just that it's the 20th anniversary of autobiography, but that Ashley Simpson, who's been laying hella low, like real real low, put out on her Instagram stories. She said, surprise, I'm dropping an expanded edition of autobiography this Friday. So you better believe I'll be tuning in because my question is, what does that mean? I mean, 20 years later. Yeah, to drop and expand it. Like, is it like when Taylor Swift adds songs from the archive? Like, I wrote these 20 years ago. Yeah, she re-recording this. Like, and also, you know, not to be whatever, but like, I don't know if I need an expanded edition of autobiography. I'll tell you what, I don't not need it. I don't feel like I don't feel like it's too much. It's such a quiet cultural moment that it's just like, yeah, girl, do it. I'm interested. What if she, what if she releases an updated version of Lala with a more adult sexuality to it? She's like, we made love on the 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th, conceived on the 4th. The most adult sexual thing you can do is track your cycle. So unsexy. You gotta do it. And Ashley, that's what my money's on. Ashley Simpson, that's what she's singing about. Yeah, you know, you go, Ashley. Her, her life to directory is interesting to me from Jessica Simpson's little sister in the shadow. And then having her whole rock star pop girl energy career. And then just, yeah, laying low, married, as you said, to Diana Ross's son, Evan Ross, and having kids and just like being of that family, like that is like anytime I see Tracy Ellis Ross and Ashley Simpson together, like it's a jump scare, but their sister-in-law, it's like, it's weird to me. But I'm happy for that. It's so crazy. I mean, she has married into like a royal family. Yes. And I don't know what to call the Simpsons because they're, they're like, um, you know, they're like those weird cousins of the royal country cousins. Have I said this on the podcast before that like, I always say that like everybody has country cousins. And if you think you don't have country cousins, then you're the country cousin. Yeah, like everyone and like, the Simpsons are the country cousins of the Ross's. And if you haven't read Jessica Simpson's memoir, do yourself a favor and just, and you can take it down in a night, but it's one of the better celebrity memoirs. And it starts off with a real banger of a, of a chapter of her talking about drinking vodka out of a sparkly glitter club cup at seven o'clock in the morning. And things get better from there. Oh, I guess it's going to go from there for life, right? Only from there. But that reminds me, and also we should say like Ashley Simpson's been laying low. Ashley Simpson had a really career devastating debilitating moment on Saturday Night Live where it became very obvious that she was lip syncing when the backing track went out. And then she did what can only be described as a sort of howdy duty dance in the middle of the stage, which was maybe like the most embarrassing thing she could have done. And it like wrecked her career. I mean, I'm not talking about autobiography, like it was like a musical moment, but it would, it had, it had some bangers, you know, and then this just that, that SNL moment really knocked it out. And we had a moment this week with that everyone was talking about online, where Ingrid Andress, who is a four time Grammy nominated country singer that I didn't really know about, saying the star spangled banner at the Home Run Derby, which was airing on ESPN. So a lot of eyes on it. And it was really rough. Did you watch this in real time, Chelsea? - Jody, I love sports. - Were you watching not a consumer of the Home Run Derby? - Were you watching the Home Run Derby in real time? No, I want to be clear that by watching it in real time, I meant, were you on Twitter when this happened? Because that's why I was experiencing it. - Yes, yes, yes. As a sports fan, I tend to stay away from all all star like games. I find them to be obnoxious. But I was online when this was happening. I have no idea. I still don't really know who this woman is. Ingrid Andress learning that she was a country singer. I was like, okay, fine. But it didn't start off bad. - It started off slow. It started off real slow. It was when the really difficult notes to hit is when she started to take creative liberties and do things. Because as we've later learned, she was impaired and under the influence. And so I think in her drunken state, this was her best way to improvise, to try to hit those notes. - Hard, hard song to sing. - Extremely. - Sober, it's a hard song to sing sober. - Yeah, it's a hard song to sing any witch away. I've listened to some of her songs, her grimy nominated songs. And to quote you on occasion, they're cute. They're good. They're cute songs. They don't sound like the Star Spangled Banner. But I thought her statement was like a pretty salt. I was just like, okay, I get it. And I'm going to read it in full. She said, I'm not going to bullshit, y'all. I was drunk last night. I'm checking myself into a facility today to get the help I need. That was not me last night. I apologize to the MLB, all the fans in this country. I love so much for that rendition. I'll let y'all know how rehab is. I hear it's super fun. I was like, got a little humor in there at the end. - Straight forward. - If she apologized. - Straight forward. - To the point. No excuses. - Yeah. She had a tough moment of realization. And it reminded me of when Elle King recently was just clearly hammered on stage at the Grandel Opry for a sort of tribute to Dolly Parton for her birthday. And I was obsessed with that at the time with like watching these clips. And she did not have a similar statement. She was a little more defensive. Of course, Dolly said it was fine. Dolly said, don't worry, girl, you're fine. It's just my birthday. - Two things you can't do is land her Dolly Parton and fuck up the star-spangled banner in this country. Those are two things that you can't do. But I was, I did really feel like because she just, you know, came right out and said this and was kind of like, I made a mistake. The backlash was swift when she did it, but it was not long lasting. And of course, it brought to mind the iconic Fergie performance of the national anthem. - At the NBA All-Star Game. Another All-Star Game. And I just, I have to feel that a few more eyes are on the NBA All-Star Game. I don't want to pit sports against each other. - And again, this was just the home run derby. So like, it wasn't the actual All-Star Game itself. But yeah, the NBA All-Star Game, there is a little bit more eyes to it. I guess Fergie is pleased with Ingrid's performance because it did. It shifted conversation off of her horrible rendition onto Now Ingrid. - Because like, we know that this was a low life moment, like a low, you know, a low point for E-grid. I feel that the attention has shifted right back to Fergie. - Yeah, see, Fergies was bad because she intentionally went into it, wanting to sing it that way. Ingrid was like, she woke up the next day with Sunday scary. It's like, honestly, that must have been, first of all, who let this girl out on the baseball diamond to sing, knowing that she was that drunk? Like, she visibly looked a little, like, she looked off, like, in the shoveled. So like, who on her team, like, I'm going to rehab, I'm also firing my entire team. That like, let me go out there. And then like, to be so wasted and to come to the next day and like, realize what you fucking did. And like, that is the worst, like, hangover feeling ever. Like, knowing that the entire nation is talking shit about you. Like, oh, where is Fergie? Fergie went out there. She took some artistic liberties. She took a lot of artistic liberties. And I firmly believe that Fergie walked away from that. And she said, "Good job, Fergie." You are so 3,000 a.m. You killed it. And I think she holds firm to that. And you know what? I respect her for it. Because like, that rendition had more artistry to it than this song Katie Perry's been telling me I have to listen to for two weeks. And then she comes out with, "You're so soft. You're so strong. It's a woman's world. Celebrate." Like, I just-- And Fergie didn't call it satire. Fergie said, "This is me." Fergie said, "It's Jaz, baby." Well, it was a big week. It's been a big week in a lot of ways, in a lot of ways. And so to have these Katie Perry moments and these Ashley Simpson moments to think about and distract has been good. Another thing that has been a gorgeous and unexpected distraction for me is what I've been watching this week. Anyone who listens to me literally anywhere on the Ringer podcast network, it does not have to be an appropriate space, knows that I, like many of our colleagues and like a lot of the nation, am obsessed with the Formula One docuseries on Netflix drive to survive. It had a real come up during the pandemic when I believe it's season two came out so more people tuned in. And it is a behind the scenes look at Formula One race car driving, which was a sport that like you either follow diligently and passionately because you're European or you know nothing about. I knew nothing about it. A lot of people didn't. And since then, the drive to survive has become like a little controversial because it is not an accurate look at the sport. It is an entertaining look at the sport. And I always say to make me interested in sports, you have to turn them into reality TV. And that is what a lot of doc I really love sports docuseries. I love hard knocks. I love drive to survive. Like I like watching the behind the scenes of sports. And so how lucky was I to log on to Netflix and see that there was a little show made by the same producers as drive to survive called sprint about the world's foremost sprinting champions right ahead of the Olympics. Okay, I also have to say that sprint is such a better name for a docuseries than drive to survive, which has always been a very silly name. Oh, I like to survive. I thought sprint was kind of dumb. It's like run. Like, okay, it is. It's like it's like that meme where it's like run. That's a perfect name. It's evocative. And for me, you haven't watched it yet. Chelsea, I wonder if it will change your mind. But it's a great name because this show is just about how fucking fast these people are. It's about other things. It is about, you know, winning and losing. It is about the enduring human spirit as all sports docuseries are. It is about wearing brand names all over your body. But it is so much for me and watching it about how fast these people are because the people who run the 100, I cannot physically fathom how their legs move. Like they look like wily coyote when his legs just start moving in a circle. Like they're going so fast. It's insane. But it's been really fun to watch and learn about these kind of qualifying for the Olympics. It covers the diamond league, the world athletic championships, and the sort of lead up to the Olympic Games. And it follows sprinters like Shaquiri Richardson, who I am obsessed with and have only become more obsessed with. Noah Lyles, Zarnell Hughes, Shelley and Frazier Price. So like some of these are more household names. And some of them aren't. And also really fun if you are like a longtime lover of the Olympics is the pundits for this show. So sort of like the narrators who tell us, you know, everything that we didn't know about becoming an Olympic level sprinter are Usain Bolt, Michael Johnson, Allison Felix, like these amazing, she's so good in it. And she's like eight months pregnant. And so it's like, it's just such a queen. It's so cool. They're so great in it. And I'm very much aware that just like when I talk about drive to survive, if anyone who is like a true formula one head is listening, they're like, you sound like an idiot. And like same for this, like there are people who follow track all year, all four years long, just like waiting for the Olympic, not waiting for the Olympics, they're just following it because they love it. And I am cheating. Like I am an absolute cheater. I am watching the last year of qualifying rounds on and of racing on this show, but it's so fun to watch. And it's getting me so excited for the Olympics. Yeah, I mean, that's like this weird thing about the Olympics is it's typically sports that no one watches year round or on a yearly basis whatsoever. It's just every four years, I am dialed into beach volleyball, court volleyball, and I played court volleyball. I don't follow it whatsoever. Track swimming, like who watches swimming on a regular basis, not me. So I love the gymnastics. Again, only every four years am I obsessed with those girls jumping in the air, like pretzels. So I'm very excited for this. I am going to watch sprint because you are like the fourth person I went out with my parents and my aunt and uncle over the weekend, and they were all raving about it and just talking about it. And I do like I sports storytelling is where I first got my star and like those stories and working on it. And the behind the scenes of these athletes is what really gets people invested into them, especially like women viewership. So I love that they are doing this to like lead up to the Olympics. I am super excited for the Olympics. I am excited. I love the like lifestyle stories around the Olympics. Like, I believe that like small beds are made of cardboard and you can't have sex on this. Exactly. And like, allegedly, how the Americans are bringing our own air conditioning, because in Europe, they don't do AC. So like, we need our AC in Europe. And then also, just like, the biggest story that I have been enamored with is the pooping and the Senn River, the French are interesting fellows. I think that's where the rowing is going to happen in the Senn River. And people are like, how dare you put these Olympic athletes and our filthy ass river to rowing. So Paris did a whole initiative of like cleaning up the Senn. And the French did not believe that it was clean. And we're going to protest by taking poops and throwing it into the Senn, which is something that like literally like never would have crossed my mind to like protest. Like, that is just a weird thing to be like, you know what we should do? We should take a shit and throw it in the Senn. Like, who thinks that way? The French? The French. Chelsea, the French are professional protesters. It is one of their greatest and most prolific pastimes. It's like the craziest troll of all time. Unclear if they did do the shit toss into the Senn. I don't think that they actually carry through with it. Maybe some people, some sickos ended up throwing into the Senn. But the mayor of Paris just this week jumped in the Senn to prove that their efforts of cleaning the Senn was worthwhile, that the Senn is clean, it is safe to swim in. And yeah, so we're gonna have some rowers rowing across the clean Senn non shitty river. So happy for them. Know that I am. I mean, listen, I think an Olympic rower can row through a little shit in a river. But it's crazy that I haven't been following the poop protest very closely because anytime there's like a poop cruise, like anytime a ship ship cruise ship just absolutely explodes and the plumbing goes south. I'm obsessed with it. I'm like, what is happening on this poop cruise? No, but I haven't been following this protest. What I have been following are athletes TikToks. So like following, there's one guy who is just on the court volleyball team who is doing the best TikToks. And I don't follow court volleyball very closely. I did not know that like everyone is 610, which is so tall. But then sometimes they're six feet and like the difference of to play the same sport and be 10 inches in difference is so crazy. And I feel like this Olympics, especially, we are very lucky to have so many like mediums through which to consume our athletes and to meet new athletes. I just love, I love like the sociology, like the social constructs of the Olympics. And if I could have any reality television program in the world, it would be to have a reality television program of the Olympic village. Oh gosh. If it doesn't happen before I die, I'll make it before I die. Yeah, I mean, that would be, it would be rather interesting. Now, I am very much all in on it. I feel like we're going to get a lot of TikToks from the athletes throughout the experience. I just, it's going to be fun. And you know, it'll unite us Americans for maybe about two weeks. And then we'll go back to hating each other when it's over. But I am excited. I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait. It's going to be, it's going to be a nice fun to, I probably will download the app and make sure I'm up on the schedule so I could watch everything. And you know, on the West Coast, Paris isn't too bad of a time difference. So, maybe I could see a few live events. You guys are lucky. I am just having, Chelsea, you sing that like I'm having a flashback to being a kid and recording the Olympics at night, like overnight on my VCR and watching it the next day via VHS. Like when you were just like, I'll download the app, my brain like short circuited and was like, how is that how we watch the Olympics now? Like my mind still sort of exists in a world where I watch it on a VHS that I recorded the night before. Yeah, I just want to make sure I know what when everything is going on. So yeah, really excited. Go team USA. I'm that many years of old. I'm Kelly Clarkson was my first concert and I used to record the Olympics on a VHS years old. Before we wrap up, Chelsea, I'm dying to know what you're obsessed with this week. Okay, guys, this was a game time decision. I really did not have any obsession this week. I was rocking my brain. I was like, what I literally feel like my head has been in a hole all week. So, my obsession just came across my 4U page today and I just realized that this has actually been published two days ago, but I think it's just getting picked up by us Americans. The Princess of Dubai, Shaka Mara went to Instagram to announce her divorce, not to say in a lovely statement, me and my husband of X amount of years, we have decided to part ways. I have enjoyed our time together. This is an amicable split. Yada yada yada. She said, I'm going to rehab y'all. I heard it's fun. She said, and she put it on her main grid, not a story, not anything. She wants this to be known. Dear husband, comma, as you are occupied with other companions, comma, I hereby declare our divorce period. I divorce you, I divorce you, and I divorce you. Take care, your ex wife. This woman is a savage, like where's the drama? The drama. I am all in, all in. She had recently just had a baby. So, she is like a post-partum mama that is not standing up with it. She is, she is the princess of Dubai, like her husband, the scum of the earth, whoever he is, married into this royalty. And he just took her, took advantage of her and she read him to filth. I am all for this woman. My friend Gibson John tweeted, get this woman on the next season of real housewives of Dubai. We need her. I need, like, I need this level of mess for you to go and post on your main grid that your husband, your divorcing your, I divorce, I divorce you, I divorce you and I divorce you, three I divorce to you and take care, your ex wife. She won't plan around. And I fuck with that. I'm looking at it in print now and like, yes, the freezing is so good. Get this woman on the ringer. She said, I hereby declare divorce. Like, it's very like, I declare bankruptcy. Like, just like, yes, you just declare what you need to declare. And I am really intrigued by the three different I divorce you because it's I divorce you, I divorce you, and then I divorce you where divorce and you are not in all caps, but capitalized, like pronouns, and then, or proper nouns, and then she hits him with the take care, take care. That is like, I mean, for me in the south, it's bless your heart. But like, take care is the most, it's the most cutting thing you can say. I didn't really like learn about it. I feel like until I went to like the east, you know, the northern east coast, take care is, it is harmful to the psyche. And I hope you felt it. I hope you felt it deep inside. Yes, I, I'm here for this clean, you go off princess that so that's my obsession of the week go off princess. Okay, well, actually, you know what, I had a lot, I didn't, I was not in a hole this week, my mind was everywhere. I had so many things I was thinking about that I was kind of finding it hard to control myself. However, this is a new one for me, like I literally just saw it this morning, and then I couldn't stop watching it. And it is what is described as morning shed on TikTok. And it is so far, I've mostly seen women waking up in the morning and shedding themselves of all the things they've gone to sleep in. So it's kind of this like high maintenance to be low maintenance movement, like you do all these high maintenance things so that you can go about your daily life in low maintenance. But when I see these people with all this shit on their face when they wake up, nothing about this feels like it becomes low maintenance at any point. But usually the morning shed involves someone taking off some combination of these things, under eye patches, maybe forehead, neck and chest patches, like plasticky patches, I guess that hydrate them over the night of face mask, like the space mask that's been extremely viral on TikTok that gives you glass skin. I can't even imagine sleeping in like a sheet mask, like I can't power these people sleeping mouth tape. I know everyone's taping their mouths right now, but I know a lot of people also have sleep apnea. So I don't know how everyone's taping their mouths, but that doesn't seem safe. This like chin strap that you put ear to ear, which seems extremely painful. And I think it's to shape your jaw. Sometimes they have on like a lip liner stain, like a lip stain that they've done in a lip liner. And they always have on the satin, heatless curl system. I feel made famous by Cassie in euphoria, who was also the sort of like original morning shed when she was like really going off the deep end, trying to get Nate and woke up and did her, you know, heatless curls, her red light therapy, woke up at four AM. And then he still didn't give her attention because he ain't shit. But watching, I'm so fascinated by it. I just can't imagine sleeping and all of this stuff. And I'm like, are people, I need to know, I need to know if people are really doing all of this stuff. Or if this is just like a handful of people with a big following. And I mean, these morning shed videos have millions of views, like millions and millions of views, not all of them, obviously, but it's a thing. Okay, so when you put this in the group chat, I was going to reply, what is morning shed? But then I have said, you know what Chelsea, don't be annoying. Google it yourself and find out. So I did. And I was like, Oh, to some degree, I am a morning shutter. So in the summer time, I will admit the morning shedding is a little bit less because here in Los Angeles, if you live an older building, the air conditioning is not air conditioning. And so it is hot. And I don't like to sleep with it. Like I am a hot sleeper as it is. But for the most part, my nighttime routine is a head scarf, which is a lot of women are starting to get privy to like the satin pillowcase, the silk scarf. This was of course, not popularized, but black women, we do it all the time to protect our hair when we sleep. And so that has been a ritual of mine since childhood. I do wear under eye cream. And when I had my eyelash extensions on, I would wear a face mask that has like bulbiness to it so that it kind of like pops out. So your lashes are protected, which yeah, Dustin, maybe I'll put it in our group chat. He put that on his face with the scarf and did it too. He's like, this is what I sleep next to every night. That's what I'm imagining is like if these and like you should do whatever you want, but waking up to someone having their mouth taped clothes, I think would kind of freak me out. I have also done the mouth tape. How's it going? What's it doing? I actually don't hate it, but like that does it'll be mad at me, but we got it because of him and his snoring. And so I just want to try it out. And you know, it did help. Put the mouth tape on, put a nose ship on his snoring was good. He has we have coached him through it so he no longer needs it. However, I like the mouth tape because it did I did in solidarity with him. I do sleep with my mouth closed, but it did actually, I feel like kind of start I did start to see some changes in the jawline. So I might go back to it. It's just annoying to have to continue to buy mouth tape every month. And then what else do I do? Oh, I do do the heatless curlers. That's my favorite part of the morning shed. Like watch those things. It's magic. I have curly hair. So like I am not a candidate for this, but like those things are magic. It's magic. And it's so fun. And it's like literally like it comes out. I just brush it out and I look like I have a full on blowout. Absolutely adore it. Um, and I think that's the extent of it. People sleeping with full mate face masks. Like I don't understand that because it seems slippery. But yeah, typically when it's a nice cool night, I don't have to worry about sweating. I will wear my heatless rollers, my scarf, my eye cream. If I have lashes, the face mask. And I will probably eventually get back to the mouth, the mouth tape. So I know that every morning when you wake up and you take all of those things off, you think that you think about how you're shedding, which is such a gross way to put it. So I actually do kind of like the, I feel like the inverse of putting all those things on the only thing that I do sometimes to relate to this, which I learned about on TikTok. And I think one day we will like do a special episode where we talk about all the things that we have tried from TikTok and whether they've been successful or not. Yeah, that would be fun. One thing that it's been very successful for me is that I do occasionally do a self tanner contour when I go to sleep at night. So you kind of like use self tanner like contour makeup. And then it just lightly stains your skin. So you look like permanently contoured or sun kissed. I've done, I do that every once in a while. What I will do more frequently is fill I think this works for me specifically as a redhead. Sometimes I fill in my eyebrows with self tanner and I do a little lip liner self tanner. And then the next morning it just like gives me a little tent. But when you contour it on your face, does it not get on your pillow? No, it dries. You just let it dry. And it does, it does get on your pillow sometimes, but that stuff washes out. Okay, interesting. So this is fun. Yeah, we should do a full like nighttime routine. And you know, I'm really struck by listening to all the freaky shit that we do that it really is a woman's world. And we're lucky to be living in it. That we are. You guys, thank you so much for listening to our very musical episode of We're Obsessed. Thank you for obsessing with us this week. Thank you to our producer Sasha. And we will see you back here next week on We're Obsessed. Bye. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. You might say all kinds of stuff when things go wrong, but these are the words you really need to remember. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. They've got options to fit your unique insurance needs, meaning you can talk to your agent to choose the coverage you need, have coverage options to protect the things you value most, file a claim right on the State Farm mobile app, and even reach a real person when you need to talk to someone. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.
