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Mistakes happen, so make sure you're protected when they do, save up to 40% off your first year at lifelock.com/jre. That's lifelock.com/jre to save up to 40% terms apply. (upbeat music) - Hello, and welcome to We're Obsessed here on The Ringer Dish Feed. I am Jody Walker joined by my co-host Chelsea Stark-Jones. And today we are obsessed with working it out on the remix, the deeply strange collection of celebrities at the ARIS tour in London. One of us is obsessed with one weird thing we're watching and the other one of us is obsessed with another weird thing we're watching and they do not meet in the middle and we're gonna talk about it. Let's get into it. Chelsea, how you doing? Wait, wait, wait, Chelsea, did you just have a birthday? - I did, yes, I did. I had a birthday. - Happy birthday. - On Monday, thank you. It was so nice. I took the day off. I got lunch with my mom at our favorite vegan. Mexican restaurant in West Hollywood. That was also near something about her. So we walked over and popped by there, but it's closed on Mondays. The original plan was to go to something about her and have a sandwich and some wine, but they're closed on Mondays and Tuesdays. So we settled with Mexican food. And yeah, I'm in Dustin. I had this beautiful little Venice date planned for me. We went to the Venice Whaler. We watched the sunset, we walked along the boardwalk, and then we walked through the canals. And then we had a lovely dinner at Felix, which is an amazing Italian restaurant. Someplace I've been dying to go. So I was very, very excited. And I heard you had been there too. So that's a cute little overlap for us. - Well, Chelsea, I don't know if you know this about me, but I'm very LA. And so of course I've been to all of the hottest restaurants in LA. - No, when the last time I was in LA, my boyfriend had a birthday. And I guess that's just where you go for birthdays. You go to Felix and you carbo load. - It's really great Italian food. I am still dreaming about the focaccia bread that they brought out. It was so good. The months are out, like everything, all the pastas. It was amazing pizza, we had it all. But so Felix is like the original. And then there's two more called Mother Wolf and Funk, one in Hollywood, one in Beverly Hills. And I've been to Mother Wolf and it's, it wasn't as good. So I was like actually really surprised and taken aback by how amazing Felix was because Mother Wolf, I was like, I've had better Italian. And Mother Wolf was like more of the seany sister of Felix in my opinion. - And you're not in it for the scene. You're not a scene girl. - You know what, I'm past that. I'm into my 30s now. I'm in it for like quality food, good vibes. - Your birthday is on a Monday. You're in your 30s. It's the fun's over. - The fun is dead and gone. - Okay, but actually a great segue. The fun's not over 'cause guess what's happening? We are both very excited to get online and see some news because "Freaky Friday 2" just started filming. And I am realizing that like for the last couple of weeks we've been getting excited about a lot of sequels from movies from the 90s and the aughts. But I'm genuinely very excited for this. I support Lindsay Lohan for the long haul. I loved the original "Freaky Friday" so much. And I feel like it really lends itself to a sequel. There's a lot you can do with body swapping. And I guess they're bringing a third generation into this plot line. So who knows how many bodies will be swapped? How are you feeling about this reboot? - I love it. I'm so happy to see Lindsay seemingly healthy and like back into the health, the acting world and whatnot. Jamie Lee Curtis, for me, I most recognize her now, not just from "Freaky Friday" but from "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" like being the star that she was when she made her cameo with her child completely forgot about that. Like every time I think of her now, it's being so enchanted by her for the charity that they work with. - That is the chicest win chime I have ever. - Thank you, darling. - It's very chic. So chic. - Really very chic. - As she should be, it was so crazy that Jamie Lee Curtis went on "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills." She is so famous. She is one of our original and best Nepo babies. Like it's so, so weird that she went on "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills." She said, "I am getting these philanthropy dollars." - Yes. - No matter who I have to talk to. - Yes. So yeah, I, but I love it. I'm very excited to see it. I'm happy that most of the cast is returning. Chad Michael Murray, what has he been in anything of late? - You know, I want to say he was in like Grey's Anatomy but I don't want to upset anyone. I don't really, he hasn't, he's been in, I do think like some very like lots of episode network TV. - Type stops, okay. - I always remember that he was in Screen Queens with my fav Glen Powell as like the older like fratty rich brother and it was perfect casting. - Okay. So his most recent casting on IMDB is Sullivan's Crossing which is a TV series, haven't heard of it. And then he's in "Mother of the Bride" as Lucas. Oh, funny. For that, is that a Netflix show or movie? It's a movie, right? It's with Brooke Shields and Benjamin Brat and they're two adult kids. The plot is they're two adult kids are getting married like a vacation destination wedding and they used to date each other in college. So it's like a weird thing of, and the breakup was bad. So it's like, that's the plot of the movie. - But anyways. - Deep Netflix cut. - Yes, Chad Michael Murray is in that by the name of Lucas, which I love and adored him as Lucas Scott on "One Tree Hill." So of course, do you have to be excited for this return to bad boy form in "Freaky Friday 2"? - You know, I was more of a Nathan Scott girlie so I'm like, it's okay. But if Nathan Scott swapped in, I would have been happier. - Well, that seems incredibly likely to happen, so I would get your hopes up as high as possible. "Freaky Friday" him right in there. I'll tell you what I'm excited for because we've been told that most of the cast is returning and in fact, been specifically told that the girls from the all-girl band that Lindsay Lohan was in, which was called "Pink Slip" and had the incredibly iconic song. ♪ Take me away, away away away ♪ - I loved that all-girl band and they're coming back, which means Lindsay Lohan might be singing Christina Vidal, who was Tyina on Nickelodeon. We'll be back, I love her. - Do we think the girl band like made it? Like, they were superstars. And then-- - That would really put a twist on the plot. Here is incredibly famous Lindsay Lohan. Her daughter, who's probably deeply scarred by her fame, her stepdaughter coming in from probably a famous man, it's the story of Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. - I think this might be it. - I'm just, you know, I think we've all been really supportive of Lindsay Lohan getting healthy, coming back on the scene. When she was doing her press tour for the Irish rom-com, she looked so incredible. Like, her styling was amazing. Her hair was back to original form, which personally means a lot to me. But I think we can admit that she hasn't been in anything good since she sort of made her return to the screen. These Netflix rom-coms aren't good, they're watchable. But "Freaky Friday 2" might be good. And then we'll see. - I think "Freaky Friday 2" has a lot of potential. I'm very much looking forward to it. And yeah, and it's next year, which I also really appreciate. Like, it's only a couple months away, hopefully, like a summer blockbuster "Freaky Friday." Like, that would be great. - I guess that's a year away, but whatever. - I was like, you just said it's next year, only a few months away. - Well, next year, six months away. - It's your birthday week, Sophie. You can think of how it's time, however you want. The year 2025. When presumably, Taylor Swift will still be touring because another thing I have been obsessed with online is that Taylor Swift's era's tour has been in London. And the collection of people in London at the era's tour has been random and also extremely fulfilling. And of course, the biggest news out of her drop on the London tour is that Travis Kelsey, he's been there all the nights. His family, his brother and his sister-in-law, who are just kind of like iconic pop culture figures at this point. And I feel like really beloved, maybe even more than him, has been there collecting friendship bracelets. But really wildly, Travis Kelsey got on stage and performed. I mean, he wore a little top hat. He clicked his little heels. And I feel very happy for Taylor Swift that she found someone who can match this theater kid like extremely earnest. Yeah, match her freak, but it's like match her theater freak. Like match her extreme, because some people who are really like outgoing and theatrical, they end up with like a quieter person, someone who like grounds them. It's like she is so far out in the stratosphere of being a public figure that it makes sense to me that it only works for her to also have a deeply public figure. And I mean, they've only been dating for a year, but it seems pretty serious to me because at the exact same time, she did two things simultaneously. She hard launched him on Instagram, which is like just kind of hilarious that Taylor Swift's like still hard launches someone. She hard launched her boyfriend, Travis Kelsey, on Instagram in a photo with Prince William, which is wild. And then she hard launched him as a part of the Aries tour, doing a little like in between outfit break where he had a little role. I just couldn't believe it. I thought it was like a like a prank headline. Yeah, you know, it like gave me a major Ick. And I have to say, I have liked Travis Kelsey. I have started to prior to all of the Taylor Swift stuff. Like I've met him several times, I've worked with him. He's very nice, but it was actually pre the season. He was starting to get on my nerves and like just be annoying. And this was before-- When you guys would talk on the phone or like when you would read headlights about him. Just he was just starting to be everywhere. And this was before the news of Taylor Swift and him dating. It was just like a lot of Travis Kelsey. And it was starting to kind of get like, okay, dude, like enough. I'm getting shoved down my throat. Like the Kardashian effect for me, like when it's just too much of them. Like that's how I felt like Travis was going. And so to me, before entering this relationship, it's very obvious that he's been making a concerted effort to have a career post football, which is great. I applaud it and respect that. But it just feels like very hanger oni on his end. And like I know she invited him out. I'm sure she was very happy to do it. And it probably maybe could have been her idea. Who knows? But like, I'm of the mind of like this is your sacred thing. What if you guys aren't in game? Now like your Eris tour is going to be this moment of like, oh, when she brought out her cringy ex-boyfriend, Travis Kelsey onto the stage. And then I saw clips of him like literally forgetting his like, cue to like put the blush on her face. Cause I'm like, yeah, he is too excited to be the star. And like it was just like so cringy to me. And I just, I don't know. Like I know I'm in the minority here. Like a lot of Swifties are loving this. And I do like, like I don't know much about Taylor Swift. I actually don't really care a lot for her. But like if this man is making her happy, I'm like all like for people being happy and in love. But like it just feels like he is writing the coattails and taking advantage of the fame in a way that I don't feel comfortable with. Like I feel like there's something mischievous there. And again, it's just, I don't know. I just, I just don't trust him. Like I don't trust him. Like I like, I don't trust him. You don't trust him. No, like I just don't like, I just don't to be people. Like I just don't trust his intentions. I don't. - I just, I do feel that that is a hot take because he's so famous. He's obviously not as famous as Taylor Swift. Like only one or two other people in the world are. I mean, he was literally wearing coattails in the like in the bit, which is pretty funny. I guess so was she. But I can't like, yeah, I can see that if you were already like feeling over saturated by him, goodness, yes, this is even more saturation. But to me, it's like, yeah, this is, this is the biggest announcement of commitment that Taylor Swift could make to her boy Travis Kelsey. Like this feels bigger than an engagement. It's like she brought him up on her sacred sage before the song that like he is partially mentioned in he's in the album. And I guess like he's kind of taking, to me it feels like it's like taking a risk by just sort of like cementing it like this. But it's also leaning. I mean, they do seem to have such goodwill from the fan base. Like from her fans, it's probably kind of scary of like when that might flip. - Yeah, well, that's the only reason why that's my one hesitation onto like my theory of, I also feel like Travis Kelsey likes to be liked. And if he had bad intentions and it came out, he would literally, it would be the end of him. - Not in the sports world, but like in the entertainment world in which he's trying to move into. He wouldn't be able to host like who wants to be smarter than a fifth grader anymore, celebrity edition. No, like, yeah, I don't know. There's just something about it. Yeah, I can't, I can't put my finger on it. There's just something that feels off. And I don't, I don't know, I will see where it goes. I hope for the best, but I just don't see him, I don't see him as a set last. - You don't see it lasting. You don't think this is end game? - I don't know, I mean, 'cause it's also like, yes, he's at the tail end of his career, which is also when I would think, like, 'cause everyone, I've been hearing, you know, everyone talking about when they think he's going to propose and stuff like that. And I wouldn't think he would propose until he's retired or about to retire. And in my head, so this is, I think a lot of my hesitation comes from just like being in the athlete world and knowing how they operate and stuff like that. For me, the most successful couples of athlete relations are those that were together before said fame. So like college, high school, sweethearts, that like persevered. And then the other ones are the Derek Jeters of the world, where it's like, you had your fun, you dated all the hot models and celebrities, and then you're retiring and you start to settle down with your wife, who is like your forever. And like Travis Kelsey reminds me of the Derek Jeters of the world, where it's like, and maybe he is going to retire in a year or two or after the season, I doubt after the season, but maybe he is going to retire soon. And so I could eat crow, but like, I feel like I don't see an engagement for them until he's closer to that marker, which I don't think is going to be next year. Yeah, I'm not really thinking about them getting engaged. Again, for me, this is bigger than an engagement. Him putting on his little top hat and clicking his little heels. But there is this question of like, how with it is Travis Kelsey? You know, like he comes across like this kind of like goofy, just like kick it, you know, hotbox is suburban in the parking lot outside of practice, kind of guy, and if he gets it at all, then he wouldn't, I think he wouldn't like do any of this if he wasn't deeply committed, because like you said, like the backlash of anything untoward coming out would be rough, rough for everybody involved. Yeah, yeah. So that's, that's my only thing. I'm like, okay, maybe it is genuine. Even if it's genuine, it's still fucking crunchy to me. Like I'm like, I'm just not surprisingly very, because you know, I was like, I was a little, as a Taylor Swift fan, I was a little tepid on the tortured poets department album itself. But I have to say, there have been several songs that I am revisiting constantly. Like I have, but daddy, I love him in my head all the time. And I just have to go listen to it sometimes and like do that. I'd rather burn my whole life down than listen to one more second of all this bitching and moaning line in my head. And so I've been like enjoying seeing her new segment on the tour, which is the part that he, where she's like doing her little marches and doing her little, her top hat. And like that's the part that he, that he came out for. But I've enjoyed a handful of songs from that album a lot more on the realism. And I also really enjoyed seeing just like the random people that collected in London for this leg of the tour. Most personally important to me were Andrew Scott and Phoebe Waller Bridge, because anytime that Fleabag and the Hot Priest are together is an important time. And there's this very hilarious clip that I keep seeing online of them walking out of the like celebrities, that celebrities tint was packed. Like I don't know what the Fire Marshal Code is there, but there were so many people in there and they are walking out presumably to go to the bathroom and then they hear the song's style come on, like the opening chords and they like whip it around and run back. And it's just so normal person. Like it's so non-celebrity when you're walking out of a concert and then you're like, nope, can't miss this one. - Yeah. Is Greta Gerwig from England? - She is not. She is deeply American from Sacramento. - Oh, oh yeah, that's American. (laughs) - Yeah, okay, so yeah, I was surprised with some of the like people that were there. And of course you've mentioned the prince and the princess and then the little little prince were there as well. Prince William's dancing is criminal. - I did not, I didn't see the dancing coming. Tom Cruise is another very fascinating one to me because it just plays into a lot of pop culture lore including that his daughter, Suri, who we discovered at the exact same time has dropped the last name Cruise, good for Suri, just graduated from high school and she's so big. Suri Cruise means a lot to me. I love what a little- - What is she, Suri? - No, she's going by Suri Noel now. So I don't know if that's her middle name or her chosen last name, but she's so big and she went to prom and she looks exactly like her mom did in Dawson's Creek. And I did spy on her graduation robes that she was, I guess, like a voice major or like a music and voice major in high school, which I don't know if you've watched Dawson's Creek, but there's a pretty iconic episode of Katie Holmes singing on my own from Les Miserables. And I'm just very curious if Suri Cruise has a similar voice and I can't wait to find out. So it was weird to see Tom Cruise there. It's always weird to see Tom Cruise in anything, but a movie and it's especially alarming to see him talking to Travis Kelsey because I fully believe that Travis Kelsey could get sucked into Scientology in 30 seconds flat. - Yeah, Tom Cruise is such a fascinating person to me. Like, I don't know. But yes, to the point of Suri too, like the Jolly Pit kids are doing the same thing when say turn 18, they're dropping the pit and it just makes you think. Just makes you think, what are these fathers, these horrible, horrible fathers doing? - I did see a tweet that was like, "It's like, it's drop your father's surname summer." That's what we're doing this summer. It's disowning fathers that don't deserve us, I guess. And yeah, celebrity children really leading the front. It is also in what we're memeing world. It's been a great week for memes, Chelsea. And you've already told me that you're not super familiar with this one. And so I'm just like, I want you to get into it because it's really, it's changed my vernacular. It is also a brat summer, Charlie XCX, who is a young artist who's been around for one million years, like she is a young person. - I've heard her name is around forever. Forever, she released a new album a few weeks ago called Brat, which I'm not like, I like a lot of Charlie XCX's songs, but she has like a deep, deep fandom and a deep lore that I have been mostly unfamiliar with to this point. - I'm sorry, not that she's not young, but she is in her 30s. - Yeah, she's young, like us. - Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, okay. I thought you meant like Supreme Carpenter yet. - I mean, I don't mean she's like, I genuinely feel like I've known about her for my entire adult life, but it is because she's been around. You know, since she was very young. She's like, she makes, you know, like club music. She's like, party girl, anthems, and this CD, oh my God, CD. I mean, it did come out of the CD, which is very funny. Oh no, I've exposed myself and Charlie XCX for not being young. She has made a record called Brat that like really leans into this persona of like, I'm this, you know, club culture, dance, Brat. And it had a song on it called Girl So Confusing about how it's confusing to be a girl and where she's really dwelling on another girl because she's young and we're all girls, not women. And there was a lot of speculation about whether it was like a diss track about another singer. Some people thought like Marina from Marina and the Diamonds. I was like hearing the speculation. And you know, it's a big time for diss tracks with Kendrick and Drake. And then two weeks after this album and this song drop, she comes out with Girl So Confusing the remix with Lord. And so it's like kind of exposed via the remix that the song I guess was about Lord. And so there's this line in Lord's very interesting sort of like first verse that we're gonna have to get into a little bit where she says, you told me how you'd been feeling, let's work it out on the remix. And that is just such, it's such a great line. I love using a remixing a song as sort of like a problem solving tactic. I just also think it's so funny to look at like what's been going on, you know, diss tracks are nothing new like Tale As Old As Time, but it's just very funny to look at like Kendrick Lamar and Drake doing this diss track back and forth thing, which, you know, let's be clear, it's like created a lot of fun and some, and one or two great songs. But then for like these two women who are, they're not similar, they don't make similar music, but notoriously they look quite a bit alike. And so they've often been confused. And it turns out that this song is sort of about Charlie XCX feeling insecure about that and feeling some kind of way about that. Then Lord comes back in with this wild verse where she gets like so vulnerable, it also starts out with the iconic set of lines. Well, honestly, I was speechless when I woke up to your voice note. Chelsea, are you a voice note person? - I despise. I don't like sending them and I hate receiving them because I don't like, oh, like I have to be in a place that's quiet, I have to hear it. If someone's around, I have to put headphones on 'cause I don't know what's gonna be said. Like, I just don't like, and then it disappears and then I can't remember it. Like, I don't, I watch most videos on Instagram and Instagram stories with the sound off. I'm very much a sound off. Like, don't send me voice notes. Like, I don't want that text it. - I can't imagine what kind of lunatic is out here watching Instagram with the sound on. It's like, you watch it with the sound off until it proves it needs to be watched with the sound on. - Yes. - I don't come from a big voice note circle of people. I am, I believe, one of like 12 people in the United States who uses an app called Marco Polo. Have you ever heard of that? - No, I know this is the poll game. - It had a really brief shining moment during the pandemic and it's like video, it's an app and you send like video messages back and forth with your friends. So like, you can do it with one person but you can also do it in a group. So I have like several group chats that have lasted on Marco Polo, which I think kind of from the pandemic, which I think kind of replaces any need for a voice note. But it does seem like singers use voice notes a lot. - I feel like it's a creative thing, which I guess technically both of us are creatives, but not for me. - I mean, I use my notes app like a voice note, I guess. I just voice record absolutely insane things while I'm like walking through the neighborhood and put those straight into my notes app. But I don't use a lot of voice notes. Charlie XCX apparently does. And it sounds like from what we get from this Lord lyric that at some point, Charlie sent Lord a voice note about all these ways that she had been feeling. She's said in statements in the past that like Lord is kind of the artist that she feels most jealous of. They can't, Charlie XCX has been around a little bit longer, but they were sort of like coming up at the same time. And you know, like Lord hit the scene like crazy. Like that first album, "Royals" was, there was no more popular song. I will always remember as an intern at Entertainment Weekly, I covered the, you ought to know, concert, which is like something BH1 used to do. And it had all these like upcoming artists. It was very cool. I wish it still happened. And Lord was one of them and it was very early. So like, there wasn't a lot of footage of her performing on stage. And I saw her get up on stage and do her little raccoon arms. And I was like, who, you know, when she did, she does like her arms all crazy. I was like, who is this little New Zealand spirit? And so they have very different style of music, but I can imagine that that like could have been hard to watch. It's just such an interesting song because when I first listened to it, it's not really my style. It's a lot of like, it's this sort of talk singing, which is more Charlie XCX style than Lord style. So Lord does her verse kind of in the style of Charlie XCX, but she does it with her standard like poetic, deep sort of lyricism. So there's this really interesting part where she's talked about, you know, like she was surprised by this voice note, let's work it out on the remix. And then she kind of explains in song that she was sort of like avoiding Charlie and not going out to dinner with her because she says, I was so lost in my head and scared to be in the pictures because for the last couple of years, I've been at war in my body. I tried to starve myself thinner and then I gained all the weight back. I was trapped in a hatred and your life seemed so awesome. I never thought for a second, my voice was in your head. And there's just something so interesting happening in music right now, two things. One is that I feel like women are just outright talking about how much they think about their bodies a lot more and like how much women are taught to be consumed about their bodies. And like, I'm no different. I think about my body all the time. And to hear it expressed in song, a place that is normally reserved for relationship and religion and like all of the other things that we think about all the time, to hear people really starting, I think to talk about their bodies and the vulnerability in that is really interesting. And then also between like this and Olivia Rodrigo and some other things happening with the pop girlies right now, there's a lot of like also just how much they're comparing themselves to one another. And to like hear these like deeply famous people talking about that is very interesting to me. - Yeah, that is interesting. 'Cause like I think back to when we were younger in our pop girl era of like Brittany, Jessica, Christina, Mandy Moore, Willa Ford, like Pink. I feel like Pink was the only one that would have these types of conversations in song. Like comparing herself to the other pop stars, like she's not as like feminism and girly and her body and she, you know, stuff like that. But like they never discussed it as outwardly back then as it's being discussed currently. Which I think, you know, attributes to just this younger generation online culture and like, I don't wanna say breaking down the fourth wall but we're just like more in it with people now than we were back then with the, you know, the social media and just they're closer to us. It's no longer like tabloid fodder of like Brittany and Christina hate each other from their publicists. It's like we could see it play out a little bit more through things online, which is fascinating. - Yeah, because there's another line that I don't have in front of me right now that's in the song when they sort of like link up together and they talk about kind of like we're two sides of the coin. ♪ Is you and me on the coin ♪ ♪ The industry loves to spend ♪ - And so to do this, like to work it out on the remix is this very sort of like powerful taking control sort of thing is like, there's all this, there's gonna be all this speculation. There's always speculation about, you know, which women are fighting, but then there's also this expectation that women should support each other and if they don't then they're bad women. And if they do then they're in allegiance with someone else and this is just like this weird and interesting thing that these two very different artists have done. And it's been interesting that you mentioned pink because she was talking about some of that kind of stuff a very long time ago, but it was very much from this point of view of like, but I'm so different. Like I, you know, I don't fit in here and kind of the concept of this remix is like, we are very different, but we're also the same. And I just really like that line from Lord about like, I have this voice in my head telling me that I'm not good enough and I couldn't have imagined that you like I could have never imagined that you have that voice in your head too until presumably you sent me like an eight minute voice note and then it was very easy to imagine. And that changed everything. And we worked it out on the remix. This one line, let's work it out on the remix has like infected my brain so fully that I honestly wish I had more drama in my life so that I could be working it out on the remix a little bit more. - Jodie, we could create some drama here and work it out on the remix. - Do you want to get into ringer slack right now? - Drop a few bombs. And then we're going to block it out on the remix and we're going to podcast it out on the remix. This also made me think that I've, as Sabrina Carpenter star has continued to rise, she has another huge hit single in Please, Please, Please. It is very easy to forget that she was part of the inspiration for Olivia Rodrigo's first hugely popular album because Olivia Rodrigo's boyfriend who no one thinks about anymore from high school musical, the TV show, the musical, the TV show, the remix hooked up or dated Sabrina Carpenter directly after Olivia Rodrigo. So there's like the line in the song, you know, about like she, you know, she's-- - It's a driver's license song, right? - Yeah, in driver's license where she talks about, you know, you get all these 10s, she's blonde, she's an actor like me, she kind of sounds like me. And then at that time, Sabrina Carpenter came out with not a diss track, it's like they're not dissing each other, they're dissing the guy, but came out with a song that was not good. - Oh, I fucking love that song. - Chelsea, which song is it? It's like, it's, it is so wild because when I was telling you about Espresso at the beginning of the summer, I was telling you about the entire Sabrina Carpenter lore and I was like, she used to make-- - Skin, skin, skin, it's fine. It is not driver's license. And that's not to discredit. - Oh, see, I don't like driver's license. I don't, I don't love Olivia Rodrigo. She hasn't did it for me either. - I love Olivia Rodrigo. I love how mad she is, I love how much she is. - Yeah. 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Let's go ahead and switch gears to what we are watching. Jody, you mentioned that we are watching two completely different things in life right now. Guys, we're going to-- I'll let you go first, because I imagine that more people are watching the thing that you are watching. Yes, we're going to talk about Clift next week, as it is wrapping up all six episodes. So we'll do like a general season review, because we talked about the first two. So we'll talk about the whole entirety of the series. But I am watching a docu series that I was very excited to see a true crime doc pop up on Hulu. It is called The Perfect Wife. And it's a three-part docu series. And as I was watching it, towards the end of the first episode, it finally hit me. I do know this story, but it was framed in a way of like, do I know this story? Because of how well I feel like they dragged on the suspense of, did she, didn't she, if she kidnapped whatever. So it happened in 2016 in Reading, California, which is up north. I think it's even further past like San Francisco. It's like very close to Washington. Is that our neighbor above us, Sasha? No, it goes Oregon and then Washington. OK. This is how you know I have a California education. Geography outside of my state does not exist. But I'm going to give you this one because I am from Texas. And some states are just so big that it's hard to know what other ones are around. So Reading is close to Oregon. It's like up there in northern California. And apparently it's a hotbed for missing women and sex trafficking because of like, drug activity that goes on up there. And so this woman, Sherry Papini, who's this young mother of two white women, blonde, fairy blue eyes, very petite, goes out for a run. And her husband comes home and sees that she is not there. It doesn't even know the kids aren't home. And he tracks her on Find My iPhone and sees that her phone isn't far from their home, but it's like still in a corner intersection. Goes there, she's gone, phone has her headphones in it. Her hair kind of entangled into the headphones. So by all accounts, she's missing. The police are on it immediately. And it became a really big national news story. I heard of this story for the first time. If any of you guys are Juicy Scoopers, Heather McDonald from Juicy Scoop has talked about this, like on occasion for a while. So as the episode of the first one went on, I was like, oh, could this be? I don't know. But in short, this woman was missing for 22 days. And when I say a national head story, it was like, I mean, it was everywhere. Her children were missing? Her children were not missing. Her children were returned. She was just missing. And the husband, you know, I felt horribly fulfilling this way about him at first. But man, he was creepy and weird. And in the police investigation, like the tapes when they were like talking to him, he seemed like really, like he seemed to relax to have his wife missing. And he was just doing things that just didn't feel right. Like he gave me like he did this vibes. But 22 days later, Sherry shows up. And Sherry shows up back in town. She was found by like a trucker. She had, she was chained up. She was beat, bruised and battered. She was even branded on her back and extremely skinny, very skinny, like skin and bones type stuff. And the husband, he said, when I first saw her after, like in the hospital and I saw her and she looked at me, his first instinct was she made this up. Like this is all a rose. And he said that on the, does he say that on the show off your documentary? - On the documentary. - And we learned that Sherry has had instances in her life where she has made things up or dramatized things and whatnot. And so she claimed that two Mexican women took her and beat her, just kept her as, I don't know, a prisoner for 22 days. It didn't make a lot of sense to a lot of people. She didn't have a lot of details. She was very like very, you know, how they say trauma blocks, certain things. Like so she was very much just like giving little breadcrumbs. And then she would do stuff with like, with her family, like if anyone made beans, like anything within the Hispanic culture, she would be triggered by, like if a, like loud door shut, she would freak out, like if she heard a door lock. So just like very strange. Fast forward three years, DNA returns and they get a match and the match is Sherry's ex-boyfriend was found, his DNA was found on her clothing that they, that they retrieved from when they found her the first three years prior. And so Ms. Sherry seemingly got a big fight with her husband and I don't know, wanted to play some games with him. Called her ex-boyfriend, asked him to come pick her up. He lived in Southern California and Orange County. He drove up and this guy is as he seemed slow. 'Cause the things that he believed and fell for and did for this woman in these 22 days of captivity, she asked him he was a hockey player to hit a hockey puck so that she could be bruised and like hit her. He, she barely ate and starved herself so that she would look skinny. She asked him to do the branding on her back and to like pretty much abuse her. And she told him he needed to do it because her husband was abusive. Like this man, this man wasn't the smartest toolbox in the shed, but yes. So all this comes together, Sherry denied it even when she was confronted with the police. Her husband even believed her after she denied it but the police had to continue to get evidence. So for another like year or so, they didn't crush charges and so the husband kind of thought, well, if the police aren't coming to us and she obviously didn't lie. And yeah, so ultimately Sherry ended up in, she took a plea deal, she pled guilty and said that she made all of it up in 2020. So 2016, she goes missing. For four years, this woman had the police going on a manhunt looking for these two Mexican women that kidnapped her. And yeah, it was, it's pretty insane. It's the extent in which, and I only mentioned a few things, the extent of the things that she did to convince people that this happened to her, psychotic in so many ways. - We watched another docu-series recently that now I like can't even remember because we consume a lot of true crime docu-series but I remember that it was, oh right, the way that it was advertised, it seemed very gongerly. And then the twist was that it wasn't at all. - This is very gongerly. - This is the plot of gongerly. - Yeah. - You disappear yourself, you go to your ex-boyfriends, you implicate him, you say that you're, of course, the interesting part about gongerly is that they're both sort of it falling in on it. But you said that the husband did seem to calm. Was it because he thought she might have done it or something like that? - I think he, and it's hard when you watch those like detective and investigation things, like it could have been he was in shock but he just seemed weird. And then they also like framed it throughout the documentary of, you know, that neighbors would say they'd hear them fighting a lot and that her friends would say that, you know, he got aggressive with her. And so like there were things that like, they kind of framed and then it's like, why is he seem not okay with her gone? But like he just seemed a little too calm about it. Like he didn't cry when he was being interrogated or anything like that. And so yeah, he was a little bit off but like the community rallied behind them. Like they had a task force of people trying to like come together for them. And it was, so it was crazy that she returned and it was almost like Allah Bridgerton when Penelope, you know, announces that she is Lady Whistledown. It was like everyone was so excited that she was back but like in a comparison I saw coming, jolly. - But not to the extent of like people like at least the community being like, what the fuck like say more? Like who are these two women? Like are they still out there on the loose? Like what's going on? And I don't know, it's crazy. I highly recommend it, even though I told you exactly what happened. - Yeah, and just like the interesting details not the like not the plot. Like I still - There's so many things. There's so many things about it that I haven't even said and it's just like, wow, like how to, it's crazy. How they for everything about it was really cool. It was, it was good police work, actually not good police work. Kind of bad police work. But once it all came together, they really did their thing. (laughing) - They really did their thing, Chelsea on on Sherry Papini. I have Googled her and I do recognize her face so much, but I don't know anything about this story. So, you know, leave it to Hulu. They've really got a, they've really got a thumb on the true crime docu series. I am going to wildly swing us in another direction for a little, a little good news before we move into our last segment. And listen, I'm going to keep it brief, you know? I got to talk about the Tonys last week. I've done my Broadway thing, but I am going to tell you that it's literally the best week of the year. One, because it was your birthday. But do you know what you shared your birthday with Chelsea Stark Jones is the Jimmy Awards, which are basically the high school version of the Tonys where 100 wildly talented children from around the United States, 100-ish. Kids from around the United States are selected to come to New York in both compete and perform in the Jimmy Awards so much like the Tonys. They are sort of in competition with one another, but they're also performing. So they do like medleys of their high school plays that they were basically selected with. Like that's how they ended up here. And then the finalists do solos. And I watch the Jimmy Awards in some format every year as a musical theater person. If you like musical theater. - How do you watch it? - Okay, you can watch it a number of ways. And I did say earlier that probably more people are watching "The Perfect Wife" than the Jimmy Awards. And probably that's true, but I will tell you this. The Jimmy Awards now has a TikTok, which is very fun because you can see like what these kids are up to throughout the week while they're practicing. And this was the first year that they, Jimmy Awards ever overlapped with the Tonys. So the children got to go to the Tonys and you can't imagine a higher pitch than when a room full of theater kids learned that they get to go to the Tonys. They're all wearing little scarves to protect their vocal cords. It's adorable. And so the TikTok was fun to like keep up with last week. You can watch kind of like clips and compilations on the TikTok, but you can also watch the nearly three hour program in full on YouTube, which I did thinking that like I was just going to jump in and kind of watch the opening number. And I watched the whole thing. It was hosted by Josh Groban. It's endearingly like still pretty amateur, but I do think that the Jimmy Awards, obviously this is pretty niche culture, but I do think they got a lot more sort of popular and name recognition. There are, they did a compilation in the awards of all of the former Jimmy award winners and finalists and nominees who are currently on Broadway. And it's like so many. So like for kids, this started in 2009. I'm deeply glad that I never knew about it as a young person and also that I have no musical talent. So I couldn't like devote my whole life to trying to get on to it. - Did you have a chance? - No, I didn't. But it would have wrecked me to think about how little of it. It still wrecks me to think about how little of a chance I have to win a Jimmy award. - Sometimes I'm like, why am I not Beyonce's backup dancer even though I can barely learn choreography. So sometimes you're talking about-- - Sometimes you're open your mind to the possibilities and hurt your own feelings a little bit. So like the awards have meant a lot to the theater community for a long time and there are so many people on Broadway who have like participated in the Jimmy Awards. But in 2018 Renee Rapp, Gen Z Queen that she is and Andrew Barth Feldman who is not as famous as Renee Rapp but they both won that year and were basically immediately cast as leads in Broadway. So she was immediately cast in Mean Girls, the musical on Broadway. He was fairly immediately cast in Dear Evan Hansen. And I feel like that really like brought a new spark to like this is not just like a fun way to watch extremely talented kids doing musical theater but it's also like a real on-ramp to Broadway and also possible eventual Gen Z pop stardom from my girl 2018 Jimmy Award winner Renee Rapp as I like to call her. But it's a really great show this year. And I think if anybody wants to go watch the compilations the winners are the best, they're really only like two central awards, best actor and best actress. And the male winner this year, he's saying suddenly Seymour in his medley and then he's saying ragtime in his solo. And I know that it's like I'm speaking Latin to you right now. That is like a wild contrast in music. And he just like this incredible kid from Dallas who has all the poise of like Leslie Odom Jr. Like he just in his acceptance speech, he was like thanking everyone like it was the Oscars. It was just incredible. So that was a really fun way to spend my Monday since it wasn't my birthday. - Jody this very easily could have been you're obsessed for the week. Like the way the Glee in which you talk about this but you're obsessed for the week is actually pretty, it's a pretty good one. So. - Thank you. - Yeah, yeah. (laughs) - Well, I believe that you're saying this could have been my obsessed for the week because you think it's incredibly niche. - I think it's a little niche than you think it is. - No, no, no, it's not that. It's just genuinely like you're like, you are obsessed. Like, I mean, this is the show we're obsessed with everything that we're talking about, but no, this is-- - I love it. - I hope that Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina Carpenter work it on the remix and even more so, I hope that they make a Glee project style behind the scenes TV show of the Jimmy Awards that I can watch next year. And actually Sasha cut that 'cause I'm gonna pitch it to a network and become a 1000 dare. - That sounds like a good pitch. Yes, so let's go ahead. Now that we got all of our shows, all the memes, all the things out of the way, let's just talk about what we are obsessed with right now. - I'm obsessed. - And Jody, I'm gonna let you kick it off this week because, I mean, you have a slash here, so I don't know which one you're going to choose if it's an and or, but I know which one I am very excited about, so we'll see which one you choose. - Okay, now I have to go both, obviously. - No, no, no, no, no, no, which one do you think I'm obsessed with that you're obsessed with? - I don't know, they're so different. Mindy Kaling? - Yeah, yeah. - Okay, okay, okay. And listen, there's not a ton to this, just in absolutely, it's so interesting to me. Mindy Kaling announced this week that she has had a third child in secret again. She's had three children and she's managed to keep all three pregnancies, how she had the baby, who she may have had the baby with, with a donor, whatever, just completely private. And obviously, Mindy Kaling has gone more behind the scenes in recent years, I think of her as deeply famous. She's very famous in my head. There was a period of time when she was starring and writing her own show and probably her peak was like, at its highest, now she's gone more behind the scenes with "Never Have I Ever" and "Sex Lives of College Girls," which I am so excited to come back. But even so, and then she's also kind of developed this like, I don't know, Mindy Kaling's personality has been like a little confusing in the last few years because we've gotten less of her. And I think of her as like, her book "Is Everybody Hanging Out Without Me" is like one of my favorite celebrity memoirs ever. It's so funny, I think her writing is so funny. Her Instagram is kind of really strange. Like it's just like her cooking and like being a, there's not a lot of humor to it. And so like she has this real duality between like how she presents and presumably how she really is. But within all of that, she has somehow managed to have three secret babies and post on Instagram the whole way through it. And I just don't understand how she's doing it. - Yeah, so the reason, yes, I am obsessed with this. - I saw it. And the first thing I did was go through her Instagram to try to see if I-- - You gotta start time life. - If I miss any clues and you gotta start. - Because I was like how she looks, she looks great and not say she had it before, but she like, I was just, I don't, I was so confused by it. But I love her, I think she's fabulous, I'm so happy for her. And I love, yeah, I love everything about her. So I, yes, I'm very happy for her and her growing family, her growing modern family and what she has going. - Her kids or at least the backs of their heads that we see on Instagram are very cute. Listen, the other thing that I have in a slash that's also pretty simple is I am obsessed with watching clips from Austin Butler's publicity tour for the movie Bike Riders, which also has just one of my absolute faves. And namesake, Jodie Comer, not namesake, I wasn't named after her, but we have the same name. And he is just so hot and disarming that he can kind of barely be interviewed. Like he's doing this thing. And he's talked about why he does this thing. And he said that he was really shy growing up. And so he learned to just be very present in the moment and engage the person that he's talking to. And that's how he overcomes his shyness. But the result is that he gets interviewed by women and then he asks them so many questions about themselves. And he has his face that looks like Austin Butler's face that it just becomes so overwhelmingly like, it's not even flirty, but it is like they're on a date. And he's so charming and sincere. And it's really honestly strange to see some from such like a classically handsome person. Also, apparently the entire film Bike Riders is just about how hot he is. That's like, that's like one of the central plot points is like this guy is so hot that no one can like resist him. So I've just been really enjoying watching those clips, really enjoying watching Austin Butler's like shy boy Riz that he doesn't even mean to be Riz. - Wow, well, I have to see these clips because-- - Get into it, get into it. - I have not, I mean, a man asking you about yourself, what is hotter? - Can you imagine? - With a genuine interest in your humanity? - Please. - Maya says-- - Who are you? - Oh, actually, Chelsea, I'm so excited for your obsessed because I've been real curious about what's going on here. What are you obsessed with this week? - I'm obsessed with Love Island USA, which are words I never thought I would utter. - Shocking information. - I, a producer Sasha actually, she is a Love Island UK girlie and has been trying to convince me to get on board forever. And it took Ariana Maddox to host Love Island USA for me to turn on the television and see what is going on. And I like what I see. This show is insane. I like that there's so many episodes. I like that I could binge them. I like that I could put it on my phone. I could watch it while I cook. I like that I could watch it while I'm laying down in bed, scrolling on my Instagram. I like it that I could watch it when I eat dinner. I find these people to be so interesting, but like boring at the same time. Like, I really don't know what it is that I like about it, but I love Love Island USA. And we have so many interesting and unique people on the show. My favorites right now are our Cordell, who is Odell Beckham Jr's brother. What? Yes, who I thought I would hate because I do not like Odell Beckham Jr. But this little boy is so cute and so sweet. And I just pray he does not get his heart broken, guys. I'm only, I'm on episode 10, so I'm not fully caught up. Oh, if I sound outdated, like this is why. But love him. There's also a boy named Kendall that I think is nice. And then there's this weird guy named Rob who is a snake-ring woman. I see the one who tried to drown himself in the pool. Yes, he is the one that tried to drown himself in the pool because he was having a hard time choosing between two girls that are into him. Life sucks. But he sometimes you have to get a little dramatic and fake try to drown yourself in a pool. Yes, so he is into snakes. Juliet Lipman posted on his bio, his occupation is snake athlete. He, like him and I would not work. I am terrified of snakes, like don't touch me. He has a tattoo of a big snake on his body. Like, I can't look at that. Like, no, but he's interesting. Girls that I can't stand, Leah, which was with Rob, which caused him to jump into a pool and try to drown himself. She is a piece of work. I would like to say having not watched it that he caused himself to jump into a pool, but go ahead. I also really like Janay. I love the two new bombshells. Now I understand, like, guys, we got a text. I understand bombshells in the villa. Two new bombshells have entered the villa, except it's USA. So it's just, I guess Ariana saying two new bombshells have entered the villa. No, we still get the British guy. So that is funny. Yeah, and Ariana's great outfits. I will say, I wish there was more Ariana. But I understand, I think Juliet told me, we're getting more of her than you get the host on UK. So I guess I have to reconcile with that. But I did have some questions. You don't watch "The Violent Do You?" I don't. I find the everyday structure incredibly overwhelming, but it is tough because when you hear that someone tried to drown himself in a pool on a TV show for drama, you're like, I want to tune into that. I'd like to know what's going on. But also when I hear you say, I'm on episode 10. I'm a little behind. I think I'm only four episodes behind right now. That means there's 14 episodes, Chelsea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I will say this too. So I watched the first episode. I didn't love it 'cause it's like the intro of like, here's everybody and they do like these stupid little videos that are really corny. But then I was like, let me just skip ahead to like a couple of a cents. And so I probably skipped episodes two and three and I jumped back in on four and I was fine. I watched three cap, I saw what happened and I was fine. But questions I do have is they always wake up in the morning and they always make breakfast, which I'm like, oh, that's cute. Like they're making Brian like, you know, you're in your little couple, you make breakfast for your significant other, but they like never make any other meal. So I'm like, what do they do for those meals? Like, do they, do they get snacks? And like, why can't we show them eating other meals? Like we only see them eat breakfast and it's such a thing. Like every morning, they get up, they get dressed, they're all like dancing with each other. It's really cute. Like the camaraderie and the friendships are all. So like that might be why I like it the most. And then we see them cook breakfast and then we don't see them eat for the rest of the episode. And I'm like, I know they're insanely hot and in good shape and good looking, but they have to eat, right? Like I don't like, why can't we see what else to eat? - They're doing like the opposite of intermittent fasting. They only eat like right after they break up and right before they go to sleep. - I'm like, can I see them like have a sandwich? Like I just, I'm worried about these islanders. And then the other thing, there's a lot of kissing and a lot of kissing each other. So like the last competition I saw was the girls stood in a line blindfolded with headphones on and the boys, a boy would kiss her and they had to rate the kiss. And then the next boy would kiss her. And then they swapped. So then the boys were blindfolded and the girls would kiss. So it's like a lot of like slop and saliva. And I think that's gross. And so another question I had is if they get STD tested because I don't understand how you could be kissing so many people and like not get herpes. Like that is gross to me. - I don't watch it, but I can assure you that they get STD tested, but I'm sure that is part of the screening process. It doesn't make that any better to me that like an STD is guaranteed not to be involved. That's too much kissing. I think just that's a little too much kissing. - And you're in your couple. So like you're like kissing someone else's couple and like, are you're kissing someone that you just broke up with? And it's just, it's gross. You also like don't get really into a kiss because of the just the physicality of it. Like you get into it because you know who you're kissing. Like a mysterious Jodi, I need to find this clip online 'cause I know how much you like talking about adults making out. It was fucking graphic. Like some, it was like, I was like gross. Like the tongue action, like full on open mouth, like kissing. And I was like, this is disgusting, but I couldn't turn away. - I do like that you're central questions. I guess because you watch it every day. So you actually do get a lot of these people and a lot of the show. Your central questions are about like hygiene. - It's like about their physiological needs. It's hygiene and eating. - Yeah. - Well, Chelsea, I hope you get your answers. - I hope I do too. I'm really enjoying it. - You're not. - You guys should watch, you guys should watch. - I might step in, if I can step in without watching 45 episodes, I might get in on it 'cause I simply have to see this guy who seems so dramatic and maybe I can fast forward through the kissing because I'm not obsessed, that's weird. Thank you so much, everyone, for obsessing with us this week. Thank you, Sasha, for producing. Thank you, Chelsea, for chatting and we will see you back here next week. Bye. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - This episode is brought to you by State Farm. You might say all kinds of stuff when things go wrong, but these are the words you really need to remember. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. They've got options to fit your unique insurance needs. 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