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Yabba-dabba-doo and the Flintstones and all related characters and elements, copyright and trademark, Hannah Barbera. - Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Juliette Lippman. - I'm Amanda Dobbins. - We've got a hot meme to discuss. - Bonjour, no Juliette, welcome back. - Thank you so much. I went to Italy, I was Yacht Season adjacent. It was pretty exciting. - There was two yachts of note, one was Jerry Joneses. And I just watched the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader show on Netflix, really recommend that. It's so depressing. It was such a pressing, it's like sad. So that was exciting. Kids Yacht features a helicopter, okay? And like everyone was aware of the fact that his yacht was nearby, like multiple people mentioned it. And the other was- - By everyone you say, other travelers, Italians? - Italians, Italians. Other Italians were like, here's who's here right now? Like I did like a boat trip one day, like a little boat. And the sailor, the boatman. - Oh yeah. You know, oh, that's how I wound up swimming in the same ocean that Beyonce swam. Or like the same cove that Beyonce swam in, like three weeks before on my honeymoon. Because the boat tour, the guy took us there and he was like, Beyonce parked here three weeks ago. And then I jumped in. - Yeah, yeah, like that's good tourist service. - Totally. I had heard about it from someone else before him too. So like Italians participating in tourism. And then a footballer from Manchester City, who's like really, really good at football, Erling Holland. Like he and I took the same picture on the same day. He posted his, so I was able to recognize the fact that we took the same one. - Okay. Great. - So that was exciting. Yachts are so not for me. Like I just can't imagine just being on the seas for an extended period of time. But- - But you- - So you love the sea. - Yeah, but I get really seasick. - Oh, okay. - And so being on a boat is a no. But yeah, it's great. Yachts season, it's happening. - It's nice that it's back, you know? It's like- - Totally. - Happy for Jennifer Lopez. Happy for everyone. - Yeah, I guess just to give our Ben and Jen update that no one but asked asked for. But you know, I'm still thinking of our friend who I met. And you gotta stay true to your spirit. J-Lo is also somewhere in Italy, taken selfies solo and Ben Affleck is yelling at paparazzi outside his home. - And also having lunch with his daughter. So that's how everyone's doing. And also one thing that's happened to Jennifer Lopez as the world has turned on her, except for us. A lot of people are publishing photos of her taking selfies and like her setting up her own selfies. I've seen at least three sets of paparazzi photos like discreetly over the last like six weeks of like J-Lo taking a selfie. - I feel like people are trying to embarrass her whereas they used to like participate. - Well, and that's sad. - I guess so though to me what it says is wow, Jennifer Lopez is still taking her own selfies. - Yeah. - And I have to be honest, when I'm looking at the resultant photo that a celebrity posts where they look incredible on Instagram, on vacation, or frankly doing whatever they're doing, I assume that a lot of work is going into that at this point. And there is like at least, you know, some sort of like light reflector system or some assisted lighting, some selfie, you know, probably someone else taking the photos. At this point, I think if you're trying to make money off your image on Instagram, you have like a team in place to take the photos 'cause it's really, it's hard to look good in photos. - So definitely. - To me, that says, salt of the earth, Jennifer Lopez still doing her own selfies. You know? - That's a great point. - Or Juliet, it says that the financial situation is even worse than we imagined. And she no longer has her team to take the selfie because as we learn from our pal Matt Bellany, thank you so much. It's really lovely to have like reporting on demand. - Yeah, thank you so much, Matt. - Thank you, Matt. Subscribe to Puck, listen to the town on the Ring or Podcast Network. So she made 16 million for Atlas, but that's not covering the mortgage. I did some googling of-- - I think she and Benny Medina split 16 million. - Oh, okay. All right, well-- - So she did not, she did not make six. Maybe she made 10, 12. - Yeah, and that was also for producing as well as starting an Atlas on Netflix. I've felt my I still have not seen. I did some research and found out that JLo Beauty was just straight dropped from Sephora this year. - Terrible. - In March. - Terrible. - Because it was low selling. So that's really tough. And like, I haven't heard from the other businesses, you know? No one else chimed in to be like, here are three JLo businesses that you forgot. So maybe she can't afford to have the whole team with her on the yacht-- - Just closing ranks. Maybe it's such a delicate time. - Okay. - What? - I don't know. - I just wanna say, I think it's great. Stars, they're just like us. They take their own selfie photos on their boat in Italy when they are not on vacation with their husband. - Soon to be ex-husband. One other celebrity note about my time in Italy, Whoopi Goldberg was on my plane on the way to Rome. - Amazing. - And she was on the way to see the Pope. She was part of the Pope's audience. - Sure, right. He's been up to some stuff, not all of it approved. - Yeah, cavorting with 100 comedians. And it was my first time witnessing at John F. Kennedy Airport, the celebrity door. Like, she came through a special door. I happened to be standing at the door when she came through to get on the plane. Whoopi Goldberg was wearing free merch from CBS Network. She was wearing a Picard sweatshirt, a hoodie. That's a streaming show on Paramount+. I feel pretty certain she did not buy that and was just giving that and decided to wear it on her flight to Rome to meet the Pope. She was with an assistant. People were really excited to see Whoopi. It was actually a really good reality check for me. I was like, oh, everyone noticed. 'Cause also the man who escorted her onto the plane from the airline, set off the fire alarm. So it was like really loud. So everyone noticed Whoopi Goldberg. And like in general, the feeling around me and like on the plane was excitement. - Whoopi Goldberg first or fairly early in the process. So then everyone got to walk by Whoopi. - It was one of those planes at board in the front or board in the middle. - Oh, right, so she was in first. - Okay, so that's it. So everyone just like got a chance to know that they were on the plane with Whoopi but then federal regulations prevented them from going up to the river and that message. - Yes, there's one family like pretended like they were taking family photos and I was like trying to get Whoopi Goldberg to be in their photo. It was really funny. And Whoopi Goldberg sleeps sitting up on a plane. Just want you all to know that, so. - Okay, so how did you get that information by standing at the mesh curtain? - I was two rows away from her and went to the bathroom and saw that she was sleeping. - Oh, you upgraded also? - Yeah, I used all of my points to upgrade. - You're an absolute hero that you had enough miles to upgrade. - It was like the best use of-- - No, it's great, I don't, you know, they really, they messed up my whole mile system. I got to spend the miles on an extra seat for a child now. I'm not living the way that I want to, I, you are. And so that's great, okay. - I have zero miles left. - And also you weren't arrested by the air marshals for breaking through the mesh curtain. I was like, actually what I wanted to. So it was live flat, but she didn't live flat. - That's correct. It was live flat, but she was sitting up. - Did she recline a little bit? And the blanket was fully over her head. Like, no, I'm not fully blanket over the head. I would never talk to a celebrity on a plane because they definitely don't want to talk to you to me. But I will say, I so loved the Sister Act II reunion that she did on the view recently. Like, so deeply that I was really tempted to like thank her for it. Just like, thank you for doing that, but I did not. So, but I was thinking it. I just wanted to mention it. It was, it was like a really random celebrity sighting, which is like kind of the best airplane. - No, it's great. - Because it's like, just provides material. - But she's still legitimate, like cross-generational. Everyone knows who would be a celebrity. So that's absolutely exciting. - Also traveling with an assistant, very low key. She seemed super nice. She didn't seem like needy. Again, she was wearing a free sweatshirt. Slabs, they're just like us. - Did she eat the meal? - Ah, I don't know. I didn't, I don't think so. I think she went straight to sleep. She wanted to be fresh for the Pope. - Sure, yeah. I mean, from the New York to Europe, like you actually do need to go to sleep fairly quickly. - It's seven and a half hours from JFK to Rome. - Yeah. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, you gotta make sure they give you your food right now. - What films did you watch instead of sleeping? - Great question. I watched basketball before the plane took off. It was game three. - Okay. - When I land, as I like re-approached land, the Bill Simmons podcast with Doc Rivers was available. So I listened to that. - Wow, look at that. - I really enjoyed it. I put on Schitt's Creek in the background. You know, for the duration of this trip, I watched almost nothing except for, I think I told you this, I'm locked out of Twitter and it's been about a month now. So I cannot access any tweets at all. - What are your millions? - Yeah, they're coming to me from Reddit. So I'm like a real Gen Z here now. I'm a Zoomer. I get it. - Is that, is that how you're finding Gen Z by checking Reddit? - Reddit and YouTube for all of my news. - Okay. - So, how would you say that's changed your perspective? What have you learned about the world? - It's definitely made me calmer 'cause I have a lot less politics coming to me. Like politics won off, so that's really good. - Yeah. - I would just say it's healthy. I feel good. - That's great. And how do you feel closer to Gen Z? Which I don't think ever looks at Reddit, but that's fine. - Are you sure? - I'm not sure. But I think it's like a pretty deep millennial and also our Zoomer producer is laughing at you. So, but I don't know. I feel like with YouTube, I got a lot of just like very targeted updates. I was like, this algorithm really understands me. And with Reddit, it was very MBA heavy 'cause I was just going there specifically for MBA news. But also like world news, other like random stuff. - Do you, have you noticed like the ways in which you've been radicalized by YouTube at this point? Like what are the algorithms steering you towards? - Pop music, like a lot of Sabrina Carpenter and Noah Kahn right now, a lot. - Well, I think that's great. And also Post Malone, of course. - Sure. - Okay, so that's kind of the, that's not radicalizing me. - It's just like making me really up to date with the festival scene in England right now. - Yes, but you're resistant to the powers of the algorithm. - Yeah, I'm not watching videos about like, you know, how my brain is being impacted by like the 5G around me. - No, no, I was wondering whether you're being like pop music radicalized, you know what I mean? Like, and like basically, your brain is now taken over in large part by like the Glastonbury festival or whatever. - Yeah, this was the capital FM summertime ball, but yeah. - Sure. - Same thing. - Yeah, did Jessie Ware perform in that one? I'm only up to date on the festivals that Jessie Ware is performing at every weekend. - No, but I think I saw that she's performing at the Soho House festival. I just felt like was really pitch perfect. So yeah, I also like started getting a lot of pre vogue world content. - Sure, didn't we all? - And yeah, I don't know. I feel like one thing that I get on Reddit a lot that is for some reason, the Taylor Swift content that I get on Reddit is from this subreddit of people who despise her. It's called Taylor and Travis, like that's the subreddit and it's just about like all the ways in which Taylor Swift is terrible. So it's a good counter narrative to what I'm getting on YouTube and elsewhere. - Okay. So I found out about the Dave Grohl versus Taylor Swift. - Right. I found out about that from page six, you know, like a true millennial, but I respect you. - Thanks. Anyway, that's my report from my trip to Italy. Thanks so much for asking about it. - Really just, I just interviewed you about what you watched every week. I think that would be a way better podcast than anything that we put together. - I came home and I watched a lot of television, like a lot. Actually, when I got to Rome, my hotel room allowed me to watch Netflix, like the Apple TV and I was just like, fuck yeah, what can I fire up here? And that's when I started watching the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader show. - So you watched that in Rome? - I watched three of seven episodes, yes. And then I watched the remaining four on my flight home. - Okay. - So great stuff. That's where I'm at, Amanda. - I think that sounds great. I think that that while I don't know whether Dallas Cowboys on Netflix is an escape from the world, it seems like otherwise you were on vacation from pop culture. - Which is good. - It was good. I was like a vacation from a lot of things, basically. And then I finished one book and I started another. I finished "Piglet" by Lottie Haslett. Have you heard about this book? - Only from you telling me about it. - We'll save it for a book session. - Okay. - I feel like Sally Rooney has really altered the landscape of like literary fiction for women. - I think that's true. - And I don't say that with love. And then I started the "Wideys" fault. - It's all of the-- - Not hers. - Not her photo. - Book editors and publishers just trying to copy. - She's very talented. - Yeah. - Sally Rooney. - Others are less talented. And then I started "The Wide White Sea" by Hampton Sides, which is just like the shit. It's really good. It's about James Cook's final cap. The titular catching cook. The titular of like so many things in the world. His final voyage. It's really good. Check it out. - So it's nonfiction. - Nonfiction, yeah. - Okay. - Are you gonna have another nonfiction summer? - I don't think so. This is the only one. I also just wrote this book called "The Husbands." Have you heard of that? - You also told me. - I also told, I also learned about that from you. - "The Husbands" is pretty fun. And then I was like feeling sleepy and I needed to go for a walk for 15 minutes and I'm near the center of her fiction bookstore right now. So I purchased Andrew O'Hagan's "Caladonian Road" and I'm really excited about that. - And that's fiction. That's a novel. - That's fiction, yeah. - That has real-- - We'll be diving into that next. - Franzen cover energy to it. - Yeah, and this is obviously another dad book summer for me. Like, you know, I think it's just the people who quoted this. This is right up your alley, Amanda. - Okay. - It's Amanda and dad summer. Monica Ollie, John Landchester, Peter Morgan, Joshua Cohen. I mean, getting bought. - Oh, that's pretty good. - Yeah. - Joshua Cohen also blurbed the "Clare Masoud" book, which I read. - I want to read that too. - I liked it. I would love to talk with you about the last three pages of it. - Okay. - But we don't have to do that. And then I'm otherwise having an Amanda summer. So if you haven't read "Wives Like Us" by Plum Sykes, really recommend that Ellen Hildebrande swears that her final book was just published. It's called "Swan Song." Final, that's what she says. I'll believe it when I see it. - Okay. - But I didn't love "Last Summer's." I thought it kind of had a sour energy. So I'm hopeful for "Swan Song." What else do we got? I have the Kate, there's a new Kate Atkinson mystery coming out in the fall, which I'm really excited about. There's a new Richard Osman mystery coming out in the fall. Not, you know, from his series, he's prolific. I'm excited to read that. - So I know on him. - I now listen to his podcast with Marina Hyde from "The Guardian," the rest is entertainment. - I really like it. You should listen to that. - Okay, I will. I think he's a wonderful novelist. - It's really good. It's like really funny. Like, I guess a lot of people have this experience, but like this is the first time I'm listening to the podcast of like two writers that I know their work, like really like it. And now I'm really into the rest of the entertainment. - Here are some more books that I wanna read. - Okay. - "Trust Her," a novel that's coming out tomorrow by Flynn Berry, who I really liked her first. I believe it's a sequel to a novel that I bought on Cape Cod when I visited you called "Northern Spy." - Oh, cool. - But it's set in Northern, no, I think it's in regular Island. No, Northern Island. I mean, it's about the troubles. So, and allegiances and what people are doing, but it's wonderful. So I'm gonna read that. I wanna read the new Kevin Kwan book. I wanna read, which is called "Lies and Weddings," why not? - Yes, I believe it is set in Italy and it was a hot read. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know me, I go full beat read. I wanna read "Real Americans" by Rachel Kong and, oh, and "The Husbands," which I have here because you told me to read it. So that's on my two list. - "The Husbands" is fun. The Husbands is like not what I expected, but I really liked it. I also wanna read "Help Wanted" by Adele Waldman. My dad took my copy, but when he returns it to me, I will read that. I'm excited to read a lot this summer. - Also, this is not, nothing we've discussed was planned, by the way. And I also, I bought a Regency England mystery. I don't remember what it's called. I'll send you a picture later. - Is it set in the time period or of the Regency? - It's set in the time period. - Okay, so it's not from like 17. - No, no, no, no, it's new. Purchase at the bookstore where you, we went when you visited me, I keep that. - Okay, that's great. - I was actually wondering for you, Amanda, if Nicola Coughlin and Luke Newton are famous to you. - Nicola Coughlin, yes, she's crossed over, and that was before she did the Skims thing, but I did also, she looks wonderful in all of the photos, but Skims figured it out with her. - They have figured it out with a lot of people. - Yeah, it is sort of like, oh, okay, this is official. But I believe, yeah, I got all the content, even though I didn't watch Bridgerton, and then the quote that she gave to someone asking about like, you know, certain types of bodies on screen, and then she's like, I do think it's brave for women with perfect breasts to be on screen. And so as a proud member of that club, I mean, it was like very funny, and that quote went around. So yeah, she's famous to me. The other guy, don't know who that is, could be one of like a million guys. - Yeah, he's Colin Bridgerton. - Okay. - He's like, you know, the titular second time I've said that. Romancing Mr. Bridgerton is the name of the book that their season is based on. - Okay. - I liked the season, I didn't love it. I don't know, and it just, no one can be just. - I heard that the first batch of episodes were good and the second. - It's just kinda got messy. I liked episodes three, four, five, six. I did not like one, two, seven, or eight. - Okay. - But it's like a fun, it's like fun to have it. I just think it's so interesting that like, romance is just so popular, which is a great time to tell everyone about 831 stories. - Yes. - Which is the new endeavor for Romanda's friends, Claire and Erica. Claire Mazer, Erica Cerulo, of formerly of Avokai, now a finger two. - And 831 stories, which is their new romance endeavor. I don't wanna just say it's like a publishing company 'cause it's more than that. And the first book is coming out soon. They sent me an awesome hat and an awesome key chain. - Which hat did you get? - I chose the second chance romance, obviously. - I chose enemies to lovers. - Nice. - But I know I'm very excited. So 831, their first book is coming out in the fall. It's called Big Fan. That's actually, that's next on my list. And I'm very excited to read it. And they are, they're basically, you're right. It's not just publishing, but romance novels for people with taste. And I really hope it's successful and I hope they become like a really big deal from this. - That's awesome. - I'm very excited. I went to an event that they hosted in LA last month and it was just completely wonderful. It was two smart women talking about romance novels in a smart way for not a group of women and then male models serving as Rose. I loved it, A plus. - That sounds awesome. - Yeah, it was great. 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Enter now at yahoosports.com/theringer. No purchase necessary. Open in all 50 U.S. states and D.C. for ages 18 plus. And September 5th, 2024. See official rules at yahoosports.com/theringer. All right, we have two things to talk about, which we haven't even touched on. This is gonna ruin the tour. What tour? The world tour. (laughing) Justin Timberlake is in trouble because he drove under the influence in the Hamptons. And there's a lot to parse here, including the meme. But I just wanna note, drunk driving in the Hamptons is a really big problem and incredibly dangerous, and you should not do it. Just to be crystal clear about that. I mean, drunk driving anywhere is, you should not do it. Yeah, drunk driving in the Hamptons, not good. Also, when you have the resources. Get a fucking driver. I mean, don't, don't, don't drive drunk. Don't drive drunk at all. Ever. It's really such a horrible thing to do. It's just a horrible thing to do. But then Justin Timberlake, as a million people have pointed out, has the resources to have won many people at his disposal to drive him home? Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah. It's just so, so ridiculous. I did not realize, I mean, I guess, you know, when the Britney memoir came out, we touched on this, but I just really didn't realize how many people were waiting for the downfall of Justin Timberlake, and it's become very apparent over the last week. Yeah, well, I guess in some ways, it's like everyone had already soured on him. It was, it, it was like done. And then we all just were given this opportunity to pile on him in public, which everyone took, I think, with an amount of glee, which you can take, because fortunately, like, no one was hurt or injured in this, or, you know, or killed in this experience. He was just arrested by a rookie cop who, in SAG Harbor, who did not recognize him, which is incredibly funny, because that, you know, and like all the headline writers and the caption writers have had a great time describing him as someone who was once famous, or like the former star, you know, the Crimea River star was arrested. You know, the mugshot was really classic, and as many, many people observed released in like, pristine HD, you know, like they, they set that up. The glassy eyes are really coming through. Like you can enhance on that, and you're not going to miss a detail. So it did feel like the moment, it felt like the moment had passed him by, like even two albums ago. Remember when he was just wandering around in the woods? Yeah. And we were, everyone was just like, no thanks. And it didn't do particularly well, but, you know, he does trolls or whatever, and so-- Yeah, I was just going to say, I feel like his, like, most accessible thing, when you take his career in full, which maybe we can at this point, perhaps it's over. I think he's going to be, can't stop the feeling. Like that's got to be his biggest song of all time, right? I guess so. I mean, it's-- Is that what you want? I mean, like, sexy back is also really big, but-- It's that, or I'm afraid to, I'm sad to say it might be like, it's going to be May would be the other big thing. Right. But that's the NSYNC thing. That's not even Justin Solo. Oh, so you're talking about Justin Solo. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Sexy back, Crimea River. That was a moment, but, you know, I think we have reputed much of that moment because of the Britney reconsideration and also just a heightened awareness of how white performers use black performers and black music in-- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In their music. Yeah. You know, with each passing year, what happened with Janet Jackson is, like, more and more galling. Yeah. But the thing that I found so notable about the World Tour meme unlike it's going to be May is that it's like hearsay. It's all secondhand. And, like, it got turned into a meme from, like, basically page six telling people it happened versus a moment on TV or something in a song or something in a viral video. Like, there's so much attention on what happened with Justin Timberlake that, like, the smallest morsel of information has, like, become a really big meme. Like, it's kind of crazy. And it's so fast and it's so widespread. Like, you know, mom influencers to, you know, zoomers at the ringer to everyone in between are using it. Like, it just went everywhere. But what's amazing is, like, implicit in the meme is the joke that literally no one cares about. Justin Timberlake's tour, you know, like, but it wins it all. That is so universally understood that everyone is immediately in on the joke, which is phenomenal. And then I think he has made the meme even more salient by how he's been talking about this in his two concerts since it happened, which is, like, saying it's been a rough week and, like, you guys are just riding with me. And it's just, like, it's embarrassing, dude. Like, maybe, I don't know. He's just, like, he's a real ego maniac, obviously. Yeah. It's tough. It is just a tough look. I guess he got the advice just to, like, pretend like it didn't happen. And not everyone reads the same internet. But I don't -- it seems like everybody reads this one internet. That, like, that's totally sort of amazing about it. It's that we've just all been brought together to be, like, what a dingbat, you know? Yeah. And I think also because, to your point, like, nobody being hurt, but also, like, it being a very clear, terrible crime. Like, it's just, like, public endangerment. And also so dumb is -- because he doesn't have to do it -- is, like, there's just -- there's just not a lot of nuance to this one. So people can just have fun with it if they so choose, which many people have chosen. Yeah. So great stuff. The world tour. What tour? It's really -- it's really good. It's really good. I will say I had to, like, do some retconning to understand -- or, like, some internet research to understand it because I did not have Twitter. So when I started seeing the memes, I was like, what is this? Okay. Got it. And then -- and I think I may have Googled World Tour meme, and then that brought me to Page Six. Okay. That's beautiful. So not to know your meme or not to a Reddit page where a friendly Zoomer was explaining it to you? No. I think -- no, your meme. That would have been a good idea, but I was just so confused. Okay. Let's move on to what's happening in London right now. Well, it's happening this week, Dublin. Yeah. Taylor Swift did the first of her -- the first half of her eight nights at Wembley. The other half will be in August, the first four nights, where this past weekend in June, a lot of celebrities came out, and she -- she hard-launched again. I don't know. She -- she made an Instagram official. She posted a picture of her Prince William and Travis Kelsey together to her Instagram grid. And then she -- And the two elder children. Prince George and Prince Charlotte. Prince Charlotte. Charlotte and George as well. And to be honest, Prince -- Prince has Charlotte. I'm sorry. Looks elated. You know? She looks so much like the Queen. I really fucking miss the Queen. But she's also what? She's seven, eight years old. And she's just absolutely psyched out of her mind. So happy. To be a Taylor Swift concert. And that is wonderful. It is. That's actually just really sweet. And then on Saturday night, Travis Kelsey performed in the year -- No, it's on Sunday night. Sorry, Sunday night. With Saturday night, Hugh Grant and Tom Cruise, among others, I think Tom Cruise attended Saturday night. I think so as well. And they're great videos of him trying to dance to shake it off. He's there with -- We didn't mention the video of William dancing to shake it off. Yeah. Well, you know, it's -- Speaking of memes, it reminded me of Leonardo DiCaprio on cocaine and Wolf of Wall Street. But that's fine. It's just -- They've had a rough couple months and I'm glad that those kids had a good night is what I have to say. I think it's very strange to like hard launch your boyfriend on Instagram with two future kings of England and an eight-year-old girl, but whatever. Tom Cruise also trying to dance to shake it off. He was there with Christopher McQuarrie, his director on "Mission Impossible" movies. And, you know, like he based -- Like -- And his life coach, yeah. He -- As I have said, he just is permanently now living in the UK, attending their cultural events and helicoptering into people's backyards. Hugh Grant was also there. Here's his review posted on Twitter. "Dear Taylor Swift, you have an incredible show, an amazing and V-Hospitable team, and excellent if gigantic boyfriend, parenthesis, hashtag tequila shots." Thanks so much from one aging London boy, wife, and thrilled eight-year-old than another hashtag, half girl, half bracelet. No one is doing dad Twitter better than Hugh Grant. That's all I have to say. Check it out, if you haven't. The rest of the time, he's absolutely outraged about the political situation in the UK, as I understand it, he should be, and/or various road construction and traffic stops, or various concerts that he's taken his child to. So, good job. Also, Travis Kelsey making Hugh Grant take a tequila shot in the VIP lounge at ARRA's tour is really funny, as is excellent if gigantic. I guess Travis Kelsey's just having a time of his life. I guess so, off-season Travis, because then, as you alluded to, on Sunday night, he put on a tux and showed up on stage. And a top hat. Part of the choreography. Part of the choreography. Okay. This makes me question their relationship, but... In what way? Say more. Him learning choreography should be a part of the show. It's such a brazen, like, attention grab. And I understand that, like, famous people are famous because they like the attention. But I just feel like this is, like, a bridge too far. This feels like J-Lo giving her writers the binder of the greatest love story I've ever told. And I just, like, this is... There's just no way that, like, they are just, like, a happy couple for the rest of their lives. And they are going to have to look back on the moment when Travis has Shag If Large put on a... It's gigantic. Gigantic. Top hat and tails and joined the eras tour. And, like, this definitely will be... I don't want to underestimate Taylor Swift. Those who do are fools. But I feel the eras tour will be the defining era of her career. And he is now, like, forever a part of it. And that's, like, I think a bad choice. So... So... Broadly. My broad review is it's not what I would want. You know, from a boyfriend. Or from... I... Honestly, like, a concert experience. But that's okay. Taylor Swift is very different from me in a lot of ways. Could you name one? Well, she's really fucking rich. So, there you go. And she's blonde. I don't understand her bang length. Her bang's length. Like, I just don't understand whether in her eyes all the time. But anyway, that has nothing to do with what you're saying. She is into a lot of things that I'm not into, including, you know, a big theater kid energy. And so she might think it's fun, you know, and cute. And we've talked a lot about how one of her major complaints and something that she's, like, been pretty candid about was that she had to hide her relationship with Taylor. She couldn't live out loud, yeah. She couldn't live out loud. A lot of coincidence that Travis Kelsey came on stage in London where she lived for many years with Joe Allen. While you were on vacation, did you happen to notice that Maddie Healy got engaged? I did. I noticed that. I also noticed that Joe Allen did his first interview about the breakup. Yes, he did. His one interview before Kinds of Kindness, which was released here. It's fine. He's pretty creepy in it and good with it. I only know about because my Reddit feed feeds me information from the Taylor haters. I read it. Scooter Braun announced his retirement for management, even though his clients abandoned him. He literally sold them out, so that's why he had to retire. But at the same time, he released... I am loathe to call it a documentary. There's programming on HBO Max from the pro-scooter side of things saying that Taylor Swift did know about the Masters Instagram post was a lie. And the entire parenthesis, Taylor's version, closed parenthesis project has been a lie. And so on this anti-Taylor subreddit, they posited that all these things happened over the weekend, like with Travis performing. Right. And all of that to distract from the Scooter Braun programming on HBO Max here in America. I mean, that's some great conspiracy theories. I'm sure that it wasn't unnoticed in Taylor's game, but they were like, "This would be nice." So he came out during a skit before I can do it with a broken heart, which is a song from Tortured Poets Department, and is really a song about how she was very miserable for the first half of the Eris tour. So into being on the Eris tour anyway, because of what Mattahili did. So to your point about the Eris tour now, like being defined by Travis, in some ways you can see this as like also trying to redefine that part of the narrative that she herself created, where she's like, "I was miserable and this was not a happy time." And now she's happy and having a happy time. So, you know, that's a very Taylor Swift arrangement of things, but it makes sense to me. He looked like he was having fun. She looked mostly charmed by it. Yeah. I just don't... I don't know, I just don't believe it, but I will say I did see a picture where you can see his phone lock screen. It is like a sappy picture of them. That's nice. That's nice. I don't know. I still just have a hard time believing this one. Believing which part of it. You don't think it's a sham relationship? No. I just don't... I definitely don't think this is for forever. And I'm just... Okay. I guess they're getting carried away in the moment, which is great. You know what? Everyone should have the luxury to get carried away. I don't think it's forever either. How long do you think it's for? The era's tour is over in December. Yeah. I don't think the Chiefs will make the Super Bowl again. So, I'm going to go... announcement of a breakup in January. Oh, wow, already? Yeah. Okay. Because she'll be on tour while he'll be... Like, is she going to move to Kansas? I mean, more to the point, isn't he going to retire at the end of this season and move to LA with her and move to offer to be like, are you smarter than a celebrity? Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I don't know. I just... How dare you question their loyalty to all of the many Kansas city establishments that they have been photographed in at least once, you know? One thing that I've been experiencing a lot of Amanda, is sadness over normal people being corrupted by fame. And I've been feeling this way about Jason and Kylie Kelsey, who seem like really nice down-to-earth people. And I just don't want them to have to sacrifice the normalcy. Like, Jason Kelsey had a really good level of fame, and now it's just like next level. Right. And I feel sad about that. I feel... I don't know if I am like killing this way. Like, he just retired from his job, and now he can make a living as a podcaster, like in large part. Well, he's also on ESPN, Monday Night Football Programming, so that's going to pay a lot. Oh, is he doing like the Peyton Manning and... He's part of the studio show on Monday Night's now, from Monday Night Football? Yeah, so like, he's also becoming a broadcaster and whatever. Sure, but don't you think that some of his broadcasting appeal has been helped by his higher profile in the last two years? Yes. He's just like... By all accounts, and like from Cliff Augustine, our colleague, he's like so beloved and Philly, and like just such an absolute Philly legend. Trust me. And I get this a lot at home. I know. And I just like... I don't know. I just feel like when your folk hero becomes like a world famous person, I feel like there's like a weird sadness to it. He's okay that we just did the whole... He was in London as well. Yes, he was. And we did the whole recap of everything that was going on in London, and there was nothing about Jason Kelsey. That's true. Even though they were there. They were just like a great family. I hope their daughters have a nice life. The other thing that we didn't mention is that Sir Paul McCartney was in the audience trading friendship bracelets with kids, which is incredible. Incredible. Yeah. That means a lot to me. I wonder if the children knew what was happening, but... I think that a lot of the British children probably did. I sure hope so. You know, good for her. What a moment. Does she get around her culture? Right now? No, she goes to Dublin this weekend. Oh, okay. Off to Dublin. Well, it's apparently lovely there. Luckily, Irish. Okay. I don't think we have anything left to discuss. Oh, no, I have something else to discuss. Oh, yeah. Which is just, you know, in my emerging role as the pop girl summer clairvoyant, I would like to... four to six weeks late. Let everyone know that I finally found a Billy Eilish song that I fucking love, which is, of course, lunch, which is a bop, which is why I like it. Here's what I want. Sorry, Amanda. I just got to stop you for a second. Yeah. I'm pretty sure on our last podcast, Jade and I were like, "Lunch" by Billy Eilish was a good song. Okay. Well, I hadn't listened to it yet. And I feel like I have called most of her songs "Boring" enough. Yeah. And I just... Including the, we talked about this in a previous episode. No idea. I know "Boring". I just hadn't listened to it yet. Okay. And now I've listened to it and it's really good. So congratulations to Billy Eilish. I think the whole album is good. It's all bops. About half of them. Okay. Well, I need a higher ratio of bops to not bops. That's where I am. Here is what it is. It's summer. And I would like to have fun. Okay. So thank you, Sabrina Carpenter. I don't know what you guys have been up to on the internet with Chapel Rone, but it seems like you've been spending a lot of time posting weird things instead of appreciating and enjoying and respecting, which is where I am with Chapel Rone. And Sabrina Carpenter is also really into Chapel Rone. Yeah. Everyone is. And then I'm into Sabrina Carpenter. She performed at Vogue World. So there you go. She performed or just walk in the bass. I believe that she performed. Oh, okay. I will say she performed at the BBC Live Lounge wearing like one of the more disturbing costumes. I'm going to call it a costume that I've seen in a really long time. It's like grease sleepover cosplay. Okay. I actually took a picture of it because I was so disturbed, but I was like, I'm actually too disturbed to post this. I'm trying to make her look like both like a baby and her sex symbol. It's really gross. Check it out. She's performing. Please, please, please. Okay. Well, I'm mostly just vibing to the songs. I'm going to send you this picture. Okay. I'm serving. I don't look forward to it. But anyway, you guys were right and I'm happy to say that I am. I like a billiard now, you know, I would eat that girl for lunch. I would. Great stuff. Cool. Alrighty. Thank you to our producer Jade Whaley. We'll be back next week. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. You might say all kinds of stuff when things come wrong. But these are the words you really need to remember. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. They've got options to fit your unique insurance needs, meaning you can talk to your agent to choose the coverage you need, have coverage options to protect the things you value most. 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