The night before the Patriots host the Philadelphia Eagles in Preseason Game #2 of the 2024 season, the team finally put an end to the Mathew Judon distraction of the offseason by trading the frustrated pass rusher to the Atlanta Falcons for a 3rd rd draft pick. While that might be good value for an aging pass rusher coming off of a season-ending injury in 2023, there's no doubt it weakens the team's core, defense, pass rush, and star power. Fitzy & Hart are here to react, analyze, and provide a forum for how you feel.
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Aren't we piling upon this team too much? They haven't even played a real game yet. Let Gerard Mayo cook. Oh, no, no, no, no, no We'll see what the long-term dividends and fruits of this particular transaction happen to be but the dude with the red sleeves and the biggest hassle of the 2024 preseason largely one of the biggest talking points is Over for Matthew Judon the dude with the red sleeves the Judon era is over in New England He was officially traded to the Atlanta Falcons for a third round draft pick in the 2025 draft and while you may think hey That's pretty decent equity for a guy who's gonna be 32 years old coming off of a torn bicep He is a high-energy guy. He's a fan favorite when healthy a playmaker He'll probably get his new contract and he'll get a much better chance at making the playoffs this season than he would in New England This is a quick emergency reaction podcast six-ring style to the Matthew Judon trade with your old pals Nick Fitzy Stevens And of course he over there. He's not for everyone. That is Andy Jumbo Hart All right, Andy you have been the one that has said that The the Owen seven we call it the heart-o meter where on every six-rings post-game show every six-rings podcast We're on the radio together. Whatever We like to say on the heart-o meter We can go with every single move every single practice than a lot of them. You guys did a great job covering them recently best practices the Patriots could be closer to your high-end win prediction total of six wins or potentially closer to Zero wins which you have said now for weeks could be on the table. So Andy ask you this With the training of their best player To the other conference do you believe the Patriots are now closer to six wins or I can't Or zero wins. Oh, it's zero and you know it, but but the beauty is They just gets closer to double-digit wins In 2026 Now I love this To this trade I could not be happier and most people will be like oh typical hard. He's a contrarian or no I don't think there's a single downside to this trade because I believed with Matthew Judon. They were a three-win team at best five whatever you were picking in the top five ESPN Projected the Patriots to have the number one pick with Matthew Judon on the roster. So what you did was Solidify your chances to get the number one overall pick. Yes, you're gonna lose football games. Yes. He was your best player. Yes He looked pretty damn good in joint practice action against the Eagles something that not too many Patriots can say other than the front set of which he was a key part But you added a third round pick for a disgruntled 32-year-old pass rusher coming off an injury Who wants more money now? We should note according to Jonathan Jones Not the Patriots cornerback who hasn't practiced in a while and has me concerned Jonathan Jones from CBS Oh, that one. Yeah says Matthew Judon is going to Atlanta with no promises for a new contract no no deal is in place I don't really care about that all I care about is You didn't waste money, which I do think it would have been a waste of money like to what give him a but you know $15 million bump. I might have done it I might have considered it because you do have so much money But now you not only don't waste that money on a guy who's not not part of the long-term plan You actually subtract just under seven million dollars from your salary cap You can roll all this money over into next year. You're gonna have as much money as anybody You're gonna have a third round pick thanks to the Falcons, which is better Than any compensatory pick. I always do that comp when you trade a player late in his contract If he leaves in free agency, you get a pick after the third round This will be a pick in the third round. So it's better even if they're good even if the Falcons go to the playoffs still better still better by at least 10 picks And you took a step closer to the number one overall pick Which I believe you will then trade to a team looking for a quarterback So you now have a top five pick two extra first round picks an extra third round pick $150 million to spend angry andry andy is right don't feel bad about agreeing with me as we're coming to you I'm sorry. I just wanted to set the table. We're also recording this live right now on Thursday morning the morning of pretend season game number two after a couple of rough joint practices with the Philadelphia Eagles tonight The big takeaway likely will be how Drake may plays and how much time he gets we will be live tonight from 10 p.m. to midnight on W E E I To cover all aspects of the game tonight as well as probably take more live calls about the jude on stage and what it means for The 2024 season. We just wanted to get a couple of early thoughts out there Get into y'all's biz and set the table for what's a very busy day in the preseason for the New England Patriots as well Yeah, Jeff Stenberg one of our favorites watching live on YouTube win win for everyone I can't believe I'm agreeing with angry andy. I feel dirty. Don't actually, you know, you clean. I Know you can know you can feel dirty, but you grace it We're all in the mud the muck the mire the crap the shit. This is where it's gonna be oh clean it up No, I don't live in its early morning. We don't do that clean it up clean it up tonight on FM This is my chance to get it out a little bit to purge just that that's what we're here for if nothing else purge people So and if you look I agree with you this is a great this is a great return for somebody who could still be you know An impactful if not near Pro Bowl level player for a year or two, right? That's great Maybe this is where he goes to get that contract. Maybe he gets it somewhere else a third round pick for a team That is still in a deficit of talent. I'm like, well, why would you just trade it away your best player? Yeah, if you want a talent you had talent right there I don't think a guy like Matthew judon was gonna be a long term answer So what if he contributes for one or two more years to the Patriots great you yeah He hurts you if he contributes because he hurts your draft pick just like Chad Ryland making that kick in was it Denver last year? Okay, that hurt that hurt your draft status just like Matthew judon would hurt your draft status Now, there's no doubt you don't have as much talent on your 53-man roster There's no doubt that whether it's Joe Burrow or Brock perdy or to a tag of Iowa They feel more comfortable right now. You've removed your best pass rusher because no He on white is nothing like Matthew judon. They're not even really the same position Which is sort of annoyed me people like and and and Andy from as watching watching and listening to the six rings Recaps with you and freeze pops the podcast and checking out Patriots unfiltered from afar to make sure I could stay abreast and in tune Okay, I'd rather okay informed and in tune. I see I knew I couldn't even tell me to clean it up at 9 10 in the morning With everything that was going on the words. I kept hearing parallel and Mike do so using were stiff and Too upright for key on white in his like he he doesn't look fluid enough yet as a pass rusher And he's a bit better of a run stuff. He wasn't even a great pass rusher at Georgia Tech He's not gonna be he is a tweener to the inside Which means he's a de-end edge guy who could also bump inside to tackle in situations like that He's closer to Dietrich Wise Then he is Matthew judon if you're looking for some Matthew judon replication and that's not fair because the guy was a proven pro bowl Or for two organizations those kind of guys like 10 12 15 sack guys no matter where they play They don't just fall off trucks. They're they're a valuable commodity in the national football league So I'm not telling you he's not a good player. I'm not telling you He looked like he lost it because quite honestly When he was dressed and on the field and had a helmet on he looked pretty good That's just the reality of it an argument can be made that because he took a little mileage off That didn't put mileage on the tires last season as he recouped from the bicep injury Maybe he'll have fresher legs Maybe one of the issues that he faced over those three seasons in New England or at least the 2021 and 22 seasons was he would go so full bore so high motor all the time by game 13 14 or 15 He was gassed Well, yeah, I mean, maybe that's it. I don't know. He's undersized. Maybe it wears on him I would also say he's not an elite player. He's a good player. He's never been elite. I said that all along He never owned a game the way I've seen Von Miller Jason Taylor Kaleo Mac TJ wah any of those guys do never we miss do we mistake elite do we mistake very good for elite because we lack true elite players Right now in New England There's probably some truth to that or it's just hard to be elite those guys are even fewer and more far between than double digits SAC guys, but just to get back to the the what do you do now? Yeah, yeah much like all those Water-carrying reporters said post brand and I uke stuff. Wow the Patriots have decided they just want to let their young receivers Grow and be the core of like, okay, that's fine. You can say that now about Josh uke and pretty Jennings key on white Whoever the group of edge guys are that you're now gonna expect to step up now to me It's Josh uke because Josh uke playing with Matthew Judon was a double-digit SAC guy at the end of two years ago Now you need to prove that you can just be the guy because Judon has always told us That the best pure past Russia on the team was Josh uke now. He's undersized and I don't think he's as good He's never really turned it into production He's got remember that Mark Anderson year where he had like double-digit sacks. You're like, oh, yeah He was kind of just picking up other people's sloppy You know what he would you know what he was doing? It was 2011 then he got paid by Buffalo and they regretted that contract every day there after he was benefiting from Andre Carter absolutely air business and he cleaned up the mess Absolutely, and it's happened many times Tully Bantecane did it and he went to San Francisco on a pretty nice contract like these past Russia's get money Now Josh uke didn't remember he chose to return here for much less money than he could have and if you buy that I also have some some real estate on Nantucket. I'd like to sell you it actually belongs to Bill Belichick But he said I could sell it for him Josh uke needs to step up, but the reality is and You can get pissy about it you people They're not really trying to win. I mean you they've told it to us Gerard Mayo said to start camp. How's this season? How is success measured laying a foundation for the future figuring out who's here moving forward? They're gonna win games, but not necessarily this year He has been quite open and honest with kind of the big picture plan that they're embarking on and for the big picture plan This was a great trade and I say great because I didn't think they could get a third round pick for a 32 year old Pass Russia coming off an injury who wants money like I that's a good trade Don slain watching on YouTube. This move confirms 2024 is a full scratch season and we're looking toward 25 and Absolutely, but not a full scratch because we all said it. There's one goal at the end of this year and we're gonna see it start Not start as like in starter necessarily, but the you really begin the process of this season Thursday night Joel at stadium 7 p.m. Against the Eagles when Drake Meg it's extended playing time this season is about Number 10 just like four years ago It was about number 10 and we got a false sense of belief that number 10 was really really good He wasn't we need the new number 10 to be better. That's what this season's about Yeah, so what it all really boils down to is that we haven't got it all figured out just yet But I do have one hand of in my pocket and the other one. Okay more to the point. Sorry elanis more said elanis more How old and white are you? How much time do you have a very actually as I just proved Isn't it ironic Not doing that. Yep. Here's just old Fitzy and his jagged little pill Andy Hart, so We're losing listeners as we speak So come on this is what we're gonna need to do this season We're gonna have to have fun with this because the old tankola is in effect So basically like the fans lose they do with the red sleeves mr. High energy throw in the football at the practice The guy that's always trying to get people pumped up at the stadium So they lose that they lose one of their favorite guys to watch on the field and boast about the you know Hey, at least we got chewed on well now you don't now you just got a team full of people that are in need of proving themselves Are in need of developing and in need of finding a job as well They also lost the circus the circus left town But I was gonna say they'd love but but the plus is in addition to a third round draft pick and giving guys like key on white and Josh Ooche or Anthony Jennings or anyone else that makes the team They're gonna get a chance to prove themselves worthy of a starting job. Maybe a second contract a bigger contract and there's no more headaches That's it. No more. Are you a talk? No more jude on talk. That's this is going to be your football team The only other headache I can I can think of going into this would be hey why didn't you get a better offensive line? Hey, why didn't you draft or Because you can't fix all the problems in line of better tech right into that very quickly because you can't fill all your voids All your holes. Yes, Golden Bear 82, but it was a bad team before jude on left It's a it's a batter team now, but it was a bad team yesterday before this trade was made like I would say bad or not Worse, I think they're more bad. Yeah, they're definitely more bad. They're the baddest They might be the baddest team on the planet and that's not a good. Oh, yeah, we bad It's in tough. No, no, we stink, but I would ask Golden Bear 82 Did you come to that realization this morning yesterday afternoon when the trade was made because the team stinks they got embarrassed? Offensively and what's minus five bad? Think you can't lose more games than you play. Can you it's already well Vegas. I'm not even sure what that means Chris Michaels But thanks for watching on Facebook live this morning Here's a question and he will Vegas now with the trading with what they've seen this preseason and the trading of Matthew jude on Will the Vegas wins total the over-under for the season move off of four and a half? I don't think so. That's a pretty low number to go lower than than four and a half to go to three and a half because Everybody you people tell me like oh, they'll win a few games. They'll stumble into wins blah blah blah I mean, I don't believe it, but we discussed this briefly before going live momentarily this morning Tyler Viny watching live on YouTube judon just made Atlanta better. They will win their division You know what? I'm inclined to think that they will as well Andy and you believe that this actually gives them a shot at having a pretty nice 2024 season. Absolutely. It's a bad division. It's part of why I thought all along the Panthers Maybe worse than you, but we'll win more games than you because that division is questionable that division is up for grabs And when you have those offensive weapons I think Bijon Robinson is one of the best all-around players in football you add Kirk cousins you add Matthew jude on and You know, they can stumble their way into a first year onto Rahim Morris like there may be some ups and downs But in that division that's probably good enough to win the division make the playoffs and then you'll see now talent wise Leadership wise do I think they're as good as San Francisco or The the Eagles probably not no, they're not I shouldn't say probably they're not now But you know I think they might be right there with a Packers team with something to prove a popular Super Bowl type pick a young team with plenty to prove Oh, I would put Atlanta in that conversation if if things go right They could prove themselves a contender in the NFC They very well could I don't know now. I'm I might even be inclined to pick them to win The AFC excuse me the NFC South now as well. I'm not a huge fan I'm not in on the Saints in any way shape or we know the Panthers are in turnaround and rebuild with the rookie headcoats themselves Tampa may have peaked a little bit last year. They did lose some people on defense as well. So See out at one goals, Christy watching live on YouTube. Welcome to a rebuild You didn't have for 20 years. You guys are the New England Jets get ready for lots of tears Maybe I'll let you know when I see a little more of Drake may it's all about Drake May you drafted in the top five this year with Bill Belichick running the show and If Drake May develops things will turn around quickly because as somebody noted earlier The assets those Danny Angelic assets that Elliot Wolf has to work with and put your towels away go cry No, no, I was gonna say I got lots of these playoff towels that I can use to dry my tears for the next couple years until But it's get out of the shutter assets or how you turn things around and that's what the Patriots are trying to do They drafted the first key asset in Drake May. I I said it on TV last night brag when this trade Oh, wow, you waited all of 18 minutes to get this in I mean you have a you hope you have a franchise quarterback You're gonna have a top five pick in the draft which again I believe you're gonna trade for a better The bag as draw mail put it and you have a hundred and fifty million dollars to spend who's maybe you maybe you have a Starting plus I'm not gonna say elite or shut down corner back You hope to have two starting receivers Jalen Polk and J von Baker did look good this week Okay, you're going a little far with all right. All right, okay All right, we'll walk it back a little bit because these are a far superior team you have the ability to be Headed very much in the right direction within the next Ten months. I mean, I'm not even going like before it really bears fruit. It might be a couple years But by May 1st by May 1st I think Patriots fans could you people could be really excited about your football team? The opportunity is there with Drake may Elliot Wolf everything Money spent because look at it. You take Matt. I think it's Matt Campbell the LSU tackle you take him number three overall After you trade the pick for Shader Sanders or whoever wants whatever quarterback is gonna go atop the draft You take Matt Campbell who's a generational left tackle people seem to tell me doesn't give up sacks squats like eight billion pounds The whole thing. Oh, and then you sign I don't know T Higgins or whichever wide receiver wants a bag And you got more than a bag you got a bunch of bags ready I mean, we'll finally actually land a receiver that we're interested in we will not continue to be the grid iron equivalent of the interest Kings who's Mike H and where's he been? I told you this was a zero-win team two and a half months ago I told you okay, this was a zero maybe he's better need to keep up Mike H He's espousing your takes maybe he's riding the the jumbo train. Hopefully. It's not Mike H My brother I got him. I got Mike Hart my brother Well, but maybe it is and that maybe he checks in on you every now and again just to make sure you're not going off the rails Or everything's okay. So I'm gonna be pissed all these people that are gonna jump on the zero-win train Yeah, now it's gonna be cool to say zero wins. I was saying zero wins before it was cool. So screw y'all Yeah, if saying zero wins is on the table, then consider me miles day exactly. I'm pissing down my leg and So might the football team beginning tonight against a team that is far superior than they but that's okay Again aid it this year embrace the suck just hop on the tank Enjoy the season for what it is You hope that you get a couple receivers You hope that you find a couple defensive playmakers and most importantly you hope you keep your quarterback of the future upright and healthy Giving him enough opportunities to prove that he is your long-term answer. All right delusional Patriots fans Thanks, it's two to three wins Thomas Holcroft. Thanks. Wow you called him delusional Two to three wins is delusional now. That's his handle you Jack wag and go ahead Lendayo tankathon 2025 You know what I'm again, you know one of my mottos You're usually you like to say I'm not for everyone the truth is never mean mine steer into it This is where you are embrace it for what it is. Let's try to make the most of it Okay, here we go Dakota from Braintree maybe update the podcast name to the zero wins podcast. Oh He also thought maybe by the way shout out to code and Braintree. Thank you again for the swing juice merch buddy. It was fantastic He also said they should now trade born to provide more opportunities for all the young wide receivers see I disagree with that one because I Think Kendrick born could play out this season and they need a veteran wide receiver in the room to provide some guidance To the pop Douglas is the bakers the pollks the booties Etc. Juju getting moved on from was the smartest thing they could have done and I'm glad they did it sooner rather than later That was a no-win situation a zero zero some victory for all parties involved I would but I wouldn't trade born. Would you? Well, they would they were trying to trade him for a yuke, but that's a different story No, I I wouldn't because I think he's gonna start the year on PUP So the rookies will have their chances to do whatever they do in September if they're good They'll continue to get their chances if they're not then you have born to bring some veteran stability To the to the lineup when he gets healthy. So no, I now I also wouldn't make him a captain which he's been lobbying for But that's a different thing. I want to so Somebody said, you know Bella check wasn't running the show when they took the quarterback may or whatever Was one of the comments that flew through mm-hmm. No Bella check was running the show when every problem on offense was created The quarterback the left tackle the wide receiver the roots of those issues on the offensive line all fall at the feet of Bill Bella check he either made the moves that sucked or signed off on the moves that sucked Cole Strange Nikille Harry Tyquan Thornton Sony Michelle Whatever you want to say all the way back all the way back to my day a little bit far But I'm talking about the right now Cole Strange is a bust pick and Bella check made it Tyquan Thornton's a bust pick and Belcher You're still searching for a number one receiver because Nikille Harry was a bust pick He hasn't had a right tackle in what five years eight years when did Marcus Cannon be done like Since Marcus Cannon, you haven't had a right tackle. He didn't have an answer at left tackle So all the roots of this problem falls at Bill Bella check He is the reason and you can't blame Elliott wolf yet because don't tell me Drake may is a bust I'm not I'm not here for that talk. I'm all done with that. I have zero interest in you Drake Maybe Mac Jones 2.0 shout out least Drake may had a smile on his face the other day when somebody took one of those jerseys That had may taped over Jones and had a monograph it like I had a smile on his face all summer He has handled everything very well. He just hasn't been as good as I would like on the football field. Wow GM Bill elephant F dust jeez Jake Fletcher. Let us know how you really feel. What's an elephant F? It's a big one. Oh, excuse me. Oh, I saw that once. You know how elephants scratch their like chest and this has been the six rings reaction The six rings reaction pod to the training of Matthew Judon the Patriots embracing the tank They remove the headache. He'll get a contract somewhere else. It's sad to see the red sleeves era over He was a lot of fun. The best player on the field a fan favorite that also may speak a lot and or volumes to the idea The Patriots didn't have that much talent. Yes That's right as we now just wipe our wipe our visor and rid ourselves sadly of the headache and a very good football player Who we wish well down in Atlanta the Patriots are in the tank Steering towards Andy Andy's prediction of zero wins on the season. How far do you think they'll go? Give us a shout tonight on the six rings postgame show 10 to midnight on We of course will have plenty more six rings podcast reacting to practices big trades roster moves Postgame analysis and so much more all pre-season and regular season long Buckle up kids visit your local packing now and potentially make some apple picking plans because It's gonna be something, but don't worry if you need to know anything. We got you covered All right. Thanks for posting this turf for everyone at W E I Odyssey in 2,400 sports We appreciate you. Good job by you. He is at jumbo heart as always and I'm your old pal Nick Fitzy Stevens will be live against tonight at 10 o'clock till midnight after Patriots Eagles live from Galette stadium This has been the six rings reaction emergency podcasts to the Matt Judon trade. Thank you guys very much for tuning in We always love hearing from you guys. All right one last comment The issue is the past will have the first pick then what do you do trade it for a shitload more picks You trade it for a team with a top five pick and two more first round picks You draft your tackle and then you have the assets galore that Elliot Wolf will either turn into the next great run here in New England Or we'll turn into a pink slip because he wastes them and doesn't make the right picks. Okay, how about Nicholas Kalito? He gets a highlight on the way out. Can we make a podcast call? I hated here the Patriots suck again, or that was dumb works too. Mm-hmm. Well, you know, we'll do and yeah I say every I might want to tighten that up a little bit Maybe what we'll do is we'll get this is the six rings post game show in the six rings of football things podcast Maybe every week we'll have like a sub header or like a subtitle like so like, you know tonight can be like You know eagles react fair the well red sleeves or something like that and every week like the story of the week And what's going on in the tankathon or maybe if there is something positive? If two wins or not two wins. That is the question. Yes, Vinny sav. It is gonna be a long season, but you guys We got you guarantee it will not be longer than 17 games The one we guarantee you can rest comfortably on all right great to be back look forward to talking to you guys tonight He's John Bo. I'm Fitzy. This is six rings. Enjoy the preseason game tonight tune into us 10 to midnight we'll talk to you soon. Good day, God bless, fairly well-read sleeves, and as always.
The night before the Patriots host the Philadelphia Eagles in Preseason Game #2 of the 2024 season, the team finally put an end to the Mathew Judon distraction of the offseason by trading the frustrated pass rusher to the Atlanta Falcons for a 3rd rd draft pick. While that might be good value for an aging pass rusher coming off of a season-ending injury in 2023, there's no doubt it weakens the team's core, defense, pass rush, and star power. Fitzy & Hart are here to react, analyze, and provide a forum for how you feel.
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