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2797: Nationwide: The UN Deputy Special Representative of the Secretary-General and the Humanitarian Affairs Minister Discuss the Humanitarian Situation in South Sudan
(upbeat music) - Nationwide, we bring you latest current issues, discussions and information. Nationwide, I'm Radio Miraia. - Hello, good evening, today listening to Nationwide. My name is Sani Martin, we are coming to life from March, Juba this evening. We are going to be looking at the latest update of the work of the committee that was formed by the government's joint committee of the government and the United Nations Task Force touring the states, which are believed to be prone to the expected flood across the country. And the delegation is led by the Minister of humanitarian affairs and disaster management, Honorable Abbina Akola Tak, plus the United Nations Deputy Special Representative of the Secretary General and resident coordinator, humanitarian coordinator Anita Kiki, and they are already here with me in the studio. We will be discussing more about what are their findings and what's their way forward, what kind of advice have they been giving to those people in those assumed states, which are expected to be affected by flood. So our lens will also be open to you later and where you can call on 091-06-2079. And your questions will be put to my two guests right here, Honorable Minister, good evening, and thank you so much for coming to Redeemeriah. - Good evening, Zani Martin and the listeners of Mariah this evening. - And Madam Anita, you are most welcome for the first time to Redeemeriah Studio. - Thank you very much, it's a pleasure to be here. - Okay, first of all, you have been making a lot of trips over the last two days or weeks. I can't recall vivid delay, you were in a unity state, you went to Malakal and other parts of the state, he also in central control state. What are your findings, Honorable Minister, let's begin with you. - Thank you, Zani, once again, and it is actually a good time for us to reflect on this mission. As you narrate it, the mission is about checking on the states, and it is composed of the government and the partners together. And this is a part of implementation of the response plan that we have already developed. We have gone to 60 states, we actually intended to go to 60 states and one administrative area. And the reason is why is that this existed are the most would be affected states that we are now going to. So we started our movement to juggle a state in board, then we went to people, then we went to unity state and up a Nile, Malakal, and then this week we were in Quaijokwara state and northern Bargazal, I will. The last station would be in the next state, next week. But also we visited central equatoria is one of those affected states. So the sixth state that are going to be affected much is jungler state, unity, up a Nile or upstate northern Bargazal and central equatoria state. So we visited this state and the purpose is that to go and see the readiness of the states down there to respond to the flood. And the readiness we mean is that the government on the ground and the partners are now based on the plan, they are now making preparations. One of those these preparations is to engage the communities, construct infrastructure that mitigate the flood and then see other challenges. The findings is that yes, we confirm that the states are ready in terms of communication, I mean, committees are ready there and there is some activities that have gone on the ground to engage the communities and then to preposition some of the relief and support and try to strengthen the existing diets and construct other diets that prevent. So the idea is that either we prevent the flood in order to come to those areas by constructing diets or cleaning the drainage or we tell people to move away from there. So we found out that yes, there is risk that is coming in those states and there is preparedness but also we find out that there is gap in responding because for them to prepare to respond to the flood impact they need some resources. So the government and the partners on the ground will find out that there is a huge gap in the resources. - Right. And Madam Kiki, you have been together moving in these states as a resident coordinator. According to your assessment, what are the most concerns you have notified so far? - Well, I think the, let me start by concurring with the minister that the good news is in every state. They were fully aware of the scale, the depth of the challenge that lies before them. They had formed committees. You find that the partners were working under the leadership of government to think through what the response would look like. And in certain states, in 18 counties already we know that they're flood affected. So even though we expect the water to peak in September already 18 counties are facing challenges. In terms of gaps, they were a number of them but maybe to highlight a few. Number one for me is the messaging because we found that not everyone believed that this water was coming. They saw it as business as usual. - So they don't believe? - Some people did not believe. They believe it would be water as has been seen in previous years. But this year, why we worry is that it's not just going to be rainfall, but it's rainfall that's coming after four consecutive years of significant rainfall from 19, 2019 to 2022. Almost every single year we've seen heavy rainfall. So the ground is already saturated. That's number one. And then number two, we're expecting water to be released in Uganda that will flow into South Sudan. And we're also expecting the usual flows from Sudan. When you put all of that together, it means that we're going to see more water than we usually do. So trying to get people to understand the scale of what could possibly happen and to ensure that they take pre-emptive measures, I think this came across to us and speaking to some of the authorities on the ground. And how they get the message to the far-flung areas. The state capitals, I think is a little bit easier, but as soon as the further away you get from the capital, the more difficult it becomes. And then maybe the second issue I'd mention in terms of gaps, yes, resources, but also understanding what can be done within local resources. For example, I was struck in Kwajok by what mobilized communities could do. They had dug almost 2.2 kilometers of trenches. And not only had they created a dike, but behind the dike, they were planting rice. So in essence, they were turning a challenge into an opportunity which I found to be very positive. Yes, in terms of money from the humanitarian partners, how much is it required? In terms of responding financially to this flood coming up from the humanitarian point of view. This time around, I think we have a unique plan because there's one plan. There's not a partner plan. There's not a government plan. There's not an NGO plan. There's not a UN plan. There's one plan. We've all come together under the leadership of government. We're seeking a total of 264 million. The government has- No, yes, yes. US dollars, 264 million. The government has already pledged. We're looking for additional resources to support this pledge. And I must say, even without any new money coming in, we are seeing partners are using existing resources, trying to reprioritize, to already begin response efforts. We saw dikes being built, canals, and being cleared. I talked about the rice farms that we saw in Quajoc. So, I believe all hands are on deck. We realize the scale of the challenge, and we're doing what we can within existing resources to respond. We know, and it's a message we pass when we're in the field. We're never going to get every single penny. So the question is, how do you make existing resources go further? Right, honorable minister. What is the number of people who are expected to be affected by this flood, and like I've also just heard from Madam Manita, how much money has been raised so far out of this $264 million? Yes, thank you. Once again, the number of people that are going to be affected are 3.3 million people across the country. But the targeted number is 2.4 million. Those who need assistance? Yes, those whom we are going to actually respond to. Those who need assistance, yes, you correctly put it. Because not everybody that is going to be affected needs assistance. There's those who can help themselves. So, and this figure, we can get them mostly in those states that we have mentioned. The figure that Madam Kiki said is that the plan is unified, is one plan that we have. All of us has to contribute to. So, the government has already played about $76 million. That is already in the pipeline. And then we are now seeking also other. As Madam Kiki put it, we are facing with the difficulty. And we must accept that. That the gap in funding is there. But we cannot keep it like that. We'll have to utilize the little we have. Very, very efficiently. So that we prioritize, we prioritize, until we meet the needs of most vulnerable people. Until we get another one. So, what we are now doing is that we are prioritizing. And this is the message we put across when we were in the states. So, the good news is that some of the states are actually convincing the communities and they are contributing. These resources, it is not from the government alone and it is not from partners alone. Even the community must also contribute. This is the message we have been putting across. All communities have to start from the end. Even for them to understand that there is risk and then they move is a contribution itself. Yeah, like maybe digging the 20s. Yes, yes. Even for them even to move to high ground without any cause. It's a contribution itself. And then they are now also digging that, I mean, dykes by themselves. Now some states are even requesting small tools and they can do it alone. Because what we are now looking at is that those areas that can be protected by dykes, we do it and communities will help. And those that cannot be protected and then people have to move away from it. The message we are now sending is that this flood is real because it is two components that are now affecting it. What are coming from Uganda and the rainfall? And it has now affected some of the state that we have want to. The major state now that is in danger is unity state. Unity state has been under water for the last five years or four years. The water of those floods are still surrounding. These two, I mean, cities or counties. Rogue corner and vent you are. These two, I mean, areas are protected only by dykes. If there is no dyke, then these cities are submerged by water. So we believe that with the coming water, then it will worsen. So these are the areas that we have to concentrate. Okay, and beside you touring the six states I've mentioned earlier on and they're talking to the people, convincing them to move to higher grounds. And we understand that the rain will pick next man in September. What are some of the interventions being put in place to assist these people? Yeah, the major thing, the major thing is that they have to move now on higher ground. And the next is that we have to be prepared for evacuation later on. There is those who can assist to evacuate. But we want to make sure now that the roads are accessible. This is one thing that we are now also looking, putting our eyes on it, that the roads should be kept accessible so that when a thing comes to us, then we take people using the road. Even to assist them, we need also a road to be functioning. We're also talking to the state authorities and our partners there. For them to keep an eye to this important installation, like air strips that's supposed to be protected, then other government facilities to be protected so that we use them for intervention later on. These are the measures that we are now making before the peak, when we come for a response. Another issue is that if we have any assistance, we must move them from now, pre-positioning, because it's also very important. Maybe later on, these roads will be closed, then we must make sure that we have relief in those areas. These are the issues that now we are now thinking about before the peak. Yes, Madam Keke, from the humanitarian partners, what are some of the interventions being put in place before the entire place is cut off? Why I'm asking this is that... The Mayor just spoke to one of the officials this afternoon in Greater Pebora, the administrative area. They are saying that over 350 households have been displaced by flood. The water level is going up and up just today. Already interventions, as the Minister said, are around the repair and the construction of dikes, not only by the partners, but also in collaboration with authorities and with the communities. In addition, ensuring that key areas, key pipelines such as for water and sanitation, what we call non-food items, things like plastic sheeting, blankets, health care, because you find that diseases such as malaria go up, we're already getting reports of increased cases of snake bites and food are in place and can move to the most vulnerable areas. The Minister also mentioned ensuring critical infrastructure is safeguarded so that support can continue if the worst-case scenario comes to pass. So, for example, as part of our visit here in central Equatoria, in Juba, we went to see the airport to make sure that under all circumstances, the airport can remain open because Juba is the pipeline to the rest of the country. So, these are some of the interventions that are going on right now. And I should also mention, in terms of critical infrastructure, we're also looking at health care installations, your clinics, your hospitals, the critical ones which will be key to response, that they would be accessible if we see the worst-case scenario come to pass. Honorable Minister Floods and a heavy rain pattern have become one of the challenging issues to people of Apennale region, some parts of Barakazal and even parts of Equatoria. What are some of the long-term interventions being considered by the government and its partners to mitigate the impact in the near future? Yes, as you said, it keeps in occurring these issues of flood. And this is an impact of climate change. For us, for a long time, the only thing that we are now thinking is how to manage the water, how to regulate or to keep water or to monitor or whatever. This is what we are now trying to think. One of these is issue of dams. When we establish the dam, this is where we can control the flow of water in the river Nile. Now, we are now exposed to danger because the ginger dam in Uganda is not releasing an amount of water. And then, the only dam ahead of us is Jabbal Ali, which is in another country. So when ginger releases amount of water and Jabbal Ali maybe doesn't respond on time, definitely the flow back water will come to us here and we cannot manage it. So the only thing is that we also have to establish our dam. This is one of the mega projects Minister of Water is not trying to think about it. The other issue is that since we are, some of our communities are at low land areas, then since it is now confirmed, people have to move away from there for the long run because there is no way we can continue tolerating this impact of flood. It will continue disrupting the livelihood of those people, of those communities. For instance, in unity state, unity state confirmed to be in low land area. And this is why now for the last periods of flooding, water is still surrounding those areas. People are living there because there is dying only. So that life is not normal. People have to think otherwise for the long run. But now we are talking about the short term solution for us to respond, just to eliminate that impact of flood rather than people. But of course, as the government of South Sudan, we must think for the long run solution of this. It is not going to stop. It is going to continue like that. All right. And Madam Kiki, $264 million is needed to help the situation in South Sudan. And we already know that there is a global crisis where much attention is being focused with this perceived donor fatigue. Are you optimistic that the much needed $264 million can be raised to support your work in South Sudan? By nature of my position, I must always remain optimistic. If I'm not optimistic, then I must go home. The question is how we redouble efforts and try to make the case that, this indeed is an important area of work and that it must be implemented. However, that being said, we've made the point that we've passed the message. Each dollar has to go further in this current environment. And we can't wait for all the funding to come through with what we have. We have to prioritize prioritize prioritize and ensure that the most vulnerable are the ones who are targeted. Just last month, I had there is some resources that sit directly under me and my office. We had $20 million. We disbursed it to a wheel, to nastir, to Rob Kona, to people, some of which are experiencing flooding for 290,000 people. I have also written directly to the emergency relief coordinator and asked for additional funding to be able to top up and fill gaps where possible. So I'm an optimist by nature. We shall continue pushing and hopefully we will be able to support the most vulnerable. Okay, before our lines are up and still, Adam Kke, 3.3 million people are expected to be affected by this flood. And already from the reports we are getting, we understand that during the first half of 2024, an estimated 7.1 million people are going to be food insecure, according to the IPC classification. With all these issues happening, we also have returners coming from Sudan because of the ongoing conflict in Sudan. Many South Sudaners have come back. What is the general outlook of humanitarian situation in the country? With all these challenges? We term it the perfect storm. 2024 is a particular year. As you've said, Sudan, individuals keep crossing the border. We have over 780,000 people who are registered, who have crossed in the last year. This doesn't include others that we know are here, but are not on the books. On top of that, we have the economic crisis. Inflation is through the roof. The cost of living for the ordinary person has gone up. On top of that, we're expecting flooding. On top of that, we know that the political environment is turbulent, and therefore it's attracting a lot of the attention. All of this is happening in one year where we have a protracted humanitarian crisis of the over 12 million people in South Sudan. Approximately 9 million need some form of assistance, and of that 9 million, we've targeted 6 million. So it's a particular year 2024. Again, it calls for us to redouble efforts to ensure that the most vulnerable are reached. Yes, vulnerable minister having heard from the resident coordinator about these 9 million people who I need of some form of assistance, and how is the government responding to these challenges? Because the primary responsibility of the government is to protect its people and also feed their own people. How are your response beside the partners? That's true. The government is looking at the situation that fails to provide total peace and stability. Because this is one thing that will allow our people to continue with the livelihood activities without any disruption. Provision of peace and stability is the priority that the government is now providing. The next is agricultural projects, and if you have to follow the last address of the president of the transition, Nigel is later assembly, focus on agriculture. Even the Karen, the Karen budget, we are now after it, that we have just approved the council of ministers and it is going. Yes, now we have also prioritized the agriculture. By agriculture and stability and peace, I think the government will be able to give services to the people of South Sudan, specifically in terms of these issues of food, I mean security. In that way, I think sometimes we will be able as the government to break the gap of this Karen food insecurity. Already some of the states now have now picked up, some of the states now have now managed even to secure their own food. It is only issues of roads that are now making it very expensive. If we have road, the production areas will be easily connected to the markets, so that we reduce this. Some of the states are already picked. It is those states that are still under those influence of crisis that are now still having some of the problems. Let's say the Appanile region, where we still have up to now, specifically Appanile state, we still have a very big number of returnees that are coming from Sudan. These people are baden on the local government. If you go to rank now, the market of rank is almost depleted because of that high need of the people that are coming from Sudan. Nothing is coming from Sudan anymore and there is difficulty of cultivation. So you can see the baden that those communities that are bordering Sudan now are shouldering. It is because of those crisis. But if there is no crisis, those crisis, I think the communities there will pick it up and they will go and they will produce for themselves. This is exactly what the government is now trying to invest so that we have those kinds of activities so that we are able to allow every citizen to produce. It is only production that will take us away from there. And the responsibility of the government is to make the environment conducive for that production. Yes, another Prime Minister, before Appanile, the issue of flood, the issue of food security, which is not enough for people to have at least a decent meal per day. We are having media reports that they are concerned about food insecurity in the country, including hunger reported in a liquangulae of greater people and administrative areas. There are also media reports of some people who have died so far. The same place where you are sitting, last week, the chairperson of the Specialized Committee on Agriculture said yes, they have had a report. They are doing their own investigation. Has the Minister of the humanitarian affairs, have you had this report or has this come to your desk? It is not yet come. But I recognize there is a lot of challenges that if the food insecurity is high, definitely we expect that those people will be infected and later on can face the death. But I have not received officially the report as I am now hearing from you. But according to my position, I know that people are insecure in terms of food. I know. And this is why we have this shika that we are talking about. There is a lot of gap. All these crises are now contributing to that. So we have climate change in part. We have conflict. We have incident of Sudan. We have this economic crisis. Definitely we expect that thing would happen. We say that there is difficulties and it is because of the difficulties we are now moving to respond to them. Okay. Yes, if you have just witnessed right now, I have two guests in the studio here. And we are discussing about the tour of a joint government and a UN task force that has been touring at six states like you had from my two guests here, the states that are expected to experience flood across the country, Zhongle, unity, apanil, warab state, Nodan, Barakazal and Central Dakota state. And so far, they have visited almost all and yet to move to a lakes state where they will be also doing their own assessment, come up with their recommendation and present it to the high authorities here in Juba. They need 264 million US dollars to support these over 2 million people who are going to be in need. But the flood is expected to displace about 3.3 million people in some of these states. We have mentioned their names and they are also encouraging people. If you are in an area where you think you will be affected by flood, they are asking you to volunteer, relocate to a better place where you and your family will be safe so that assistance can reach you on time. Don't wait according to them when the water is high and you can't cross with your animal and then tomorrow you begin blaming that or there was no one to help me. So you can call us right now on 091-0629, hello. Good evening to you. Your question right away. I have a question to owner of Alvira Colata as many are available for both which will be going to affect you. Perhaps your ministry have their money right now right away in your hands. Later on when something often will go to take a long time with a quick intervention. How sure that you have their money right now to add their quick intervention in what will affect you tomorrow or next tomorrow to add their quick within that day. Where we are going to reduce that and do some blood pressure and whatever. Okay. Thank you so much Andrea Camillo for your question. Hello, Alvira. Hello. Yes, your name? Good evening. I'll tell you from vential policy. Okay. Go ahead from. I'm happy that we have the news of the humanitarian process of Madeleine Kiki who was giving us a tour for the people. Let me say it a week now. My question is good thanks to the news of the humanitarian affairs. You know, the unit is there that has been in flooded almost for 40 years now. Yeah. And it was been in a share almost also for the part. Why it was not true when the unit state was hit by the blood and after night. Except when when one of the older didn't affect it. So does it mean that the humanitarian are not aware of what is happening on the unit state? Okay. Thank you so much for your question. And we do have some questions coming in via our SMS here. And he says, my name is Dan from Juba here. You have toured almost all those states that are expected to be affected badly by flood disease. What are your recommendations? What would be your recommendation and their way forward? That's from Dan here in Cuba. Yes. Let's give the chance to the Honorable Minister. The quick, interrupting. Thank you. Maybe you can clarify. Is the money ready or you have to expect? It's very important to clarify. Yeah. Thank you very much Andrea Camilo. And yes, your question is in place to inquire whether we are safe from that intervention or not. When we mentioned that the plan for us to respond need 264. And now we are now trying to mobilize. We really mean that we are now mobilizing. We didn't have this money. Yeah. We came up with the plan. We met the areas that are going to be affected. We met the people. We met their needs. And then we now costed them. It is discussed. Now we are now trying to mobilize. We have now a pledge from the government that they will offer this amount of money. Of 70 million. Yes. Before we could utilize this money, this is why we decided to go and tour. So that we know the real needs of these states. And then we come and prioritize. Note that we don't have enough money. Whatever you have, we have here will not be enough. So our tour was just to identify the priority, priority, priority. Things that we cannot, I mean, just leave them. So that we come and put them against what we have. So the intervention is now expecting. I also tend to tell him, please, you do your job as the citizen. Because we also talk about the contribution of the community. Do your job and I will do my job. Our partners also will do their job. This is what I can say. Brother Niel, I don't know what did you mean by touring. But I want to say that we have been monitoring units. And this is why my, I mean, speak here or what I have said is that unity state is underwater for the last four years. We know this. And this is why now we are thinking about long-term solution to the problem. My touring now is to identify the priorities so that we respond to it now. If he's talking about touring, that I did not go before, that is not the topic. Because I have already people on the ground that are feeding me. Our partners are there. The government is there already. So it is not me to do all this if that is the meaning he's talking about. But in fact, we are really concerned about unity state. The unity state is now the state we are giving the priority. Because the situation we have seen is really neat. Quick intervention and even long-term. After we finish from this, we will leave one thing about recovery process. Because this water will not go away. Yeah. Then we have to think. Other areas we expect also water to go away to substrate. But in unity state, because we have a serum of how many years now. Yeah. What is this point? Yeah. So it needs further solution. It is not only intervention. We will intervene now, but we will go further. As government. Yes, as the government for the unity state. So that my brother Nail, we are concerned about what is in unity. The recommendation, we have just summarized them in cross-cutting whatever we mentioned. First, people have to know that there is danger. We are telling people that there is risk that is coming. Upon these risks, we need you to move within your cattle, whatever. Before, things come to us. This is one of our recommendations that we want our people to do. Number two, we want movement to be within the state and within the counties. So that we avoid any violence between the inter-state movement. Because it has happened some time. So that we will keep the number three. We want contribution of the communities that they have also to help themselves before the government and partners come and help them. Because there is those help. Even by hand, they can help themselves by even mobilizing their communities, members that are in where and where support will come through the communities. Plus, of course, as the government and partners, we are now assessing the needs. Within our means, we will provide the necessary needs. These are the recommendations that we are now doing. I mean, we are now following so that we achieve them. Definitely, we are asking all well-wishers, people, the partners, the donors to help us. Yes, we are doing this. But we must do ourselves. I mean, we must do what is required from us as the government phase and the community and then later on, our communities. Okay, there is another question coming in here from Ghat Pan in Ben Thio, United States. My question goes to the resident coordinator after your tour. And you have seen for yourself, are you prepared to do preposition before the roads are cut off? And what kind of items are required by these people right now who may be cut off in the near future? Ghat Pan from Ben Thio. Thank you. The prepositioning has already begun. And as I said, the flooding has already begun in 18 counties. We're trying to preposition water and sanitation equipment and supplies, non-food items, the plastic sheetings. Some communities have asked for hand tools. They've asked for sandbags. We're trying to move all of those. Unhass the air service for the humanitarian community has already positioned air assets in jungleized state to make sure that they are closer to areas that are affected so they can reach them more efficiently. Even though we don't have all the resources in support of government, what we can, we're trying to preposition. I just want to underscore the messages of the minister. Prevention is better than cure. If you know your areas are going to be flooded, move, move now. Waiting until the waters come, make it a search and rescue operation, which is far more difficult and far more costly. And just a very important question here. Water is some of the simple and practical steps, an ordinary person. In these flood-prone areas can take to prevent disaster, especially those who may not relocate to those higher grams. I would say nowhere, which ways the water usually moves. Make sure that those waterways are clear. If you can support efforts for critical infrastructure safety, the join in the community mobilization efforts to ensure infrastructure like your health clinics, your health centers are all well reinforced. Your airports are reinforced where you can move, move, move to ensure that you are not caught up in the waters. And make sure that you are in contact with your local administration. So you know of any changes that are going to happen. Okay, Honorable Minister, let's come back to central control estate here. What are some of the areas in central control which are expected also to expect to experience flood? See, I've just told us that Dubai National Airport is one of them. If you see from the western side of the runway, it's also one of the areas that is also sometimes having a lot of flood. Apart from that, which areas again? Yeah, exactly. Central Recotory is one of those areas that are going to be affected. Mostly those areas that are along the Nile are included. Of course, you can say YAA is included, Kaju KG, even Juba County, Terri Kaka. All these areas are going to be affected. Now in Juba, you can see the rain that happened some time. And the referendum is also there. The referendum is flooded. Jump by and go on. Yes, hold this. Even part of money, good day. Yes, exactly. They are all affected because they are in low land. And these are the corridors that now take to come to the river. Okay. What we wanted to make sure is that the major isolation, like the airport, is not affected because this is the live land. And the Juba numerally road is not also affected. We did some assessment in this area where we found some areas are now have to be protected so that they are not affected. If that line is affected and the airport, then we cannot even help people. Okay. After your tour, what next, Honorable, as you conclude finally? Yes, after our tour, we will have now identified the needs. And then we will come and sit down and prioritize them, according to the means that we have. We will continue being tied with the task force that are underground. In the state, there is task force and task force is inclusive to our partners and all of them, up to Piam, up to Buma. Then we will continue getting in tight and then we will identify the most important activities that we do in one of the states. So the next is that to know the how to know the needs and then compare it with the resources that we have. Definitely, it will not match. This is why we'll have to run the prioritization. Okay. And then deliver them to the state. Okay. Thank you so much, Ian. And from the humanitarian partners, what next? We agree. As I said earlier on, this has been a different way of doing business because we have one plan. So the plan is not to do anything different. We're under the leadership of government. We will sit, as the Honorable Minister has said, after our last visit to lakes. And we will decide what the priorities are within existing resources. What are we going to do? And what will the government do first? What will the communities do? And then what can we come and gap fill as partners? Thank you very much, Anita Kiki, the United Nations Deputy Special Representative of the Secretary General and also the resident coordinator. And also Honorable Albin Akola Tak, Minister of humanitarian affairs and disaster management. Thank you so much for sparing some time during a busy schedule to come and speak about this looming disaster to your people in this country. Thank you both for coming. Thank you, Sahib Martin. And thank you to the listeners. Thank you very much.