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Out Now 589: Cuckoo & Borderlands
This week, on Out Now with Our Name, we are talking Cuckoo and Borderlands. And I'm of all-tunter, give me the Cuckoo for Cuckoo Puffs. We are now recording, and this is Out Now with Aaron and Abe. I am Aaron and as always, this is... Hey, hello, how are you, Aaron? I'm doing well, I had a nice afternoon with my lovely girlfriend and got work done and watched some closing ceremonies of the Olympics. Congratulations on the athletes and get ready for the Paralympics. You know it. Yeah. But how are you doing? I'm doing well, thank you for asking. The winds were high today, so I got some free front sidewalk. Dusting from the winds. I thought you were going to say, "Great, you set sail or you flew a kite." No, no, no. Nobody has time for that anymore. Just assemble in front of your workplace. My TV has been working, so I haven't been out at some Simpsons when they were forced to go outside. And like, do those with their eyes and rub them in? Like, oh my gosh, something like that. Like kite, painting fences, it's delicious. That's like season three stuff right there that we're referencing by... I've said I posted a season 35 poster of the Simpsons. We're talking about... And we're talking about like old, like, you know, night early '90s Simpsons episode. You know, '92, '93. All right, out now is a film podcast where Ava and I discuss new movies weekly. We dig into the film you impose a square for your view. The careful commentary track or some other film group topic. This is episode 589, 589. Wow, we're pretty close to six hundred here. We should really talk about doing something for that. I think we're okay. And this week we're talking... We got a double header this week. We're talking Kookoo and Borderlands. Maymang. Exactly. What characters say in both of those movies? But yeah, we're gonna talk all about those and more and joining us to do such things we have. From member productions, his flute playing abilities are unquestioned. It's Maxwell added. Hello, how are you guys doing? Hi, Maxwell. Doing well. How are you, sir? I am busy. I am stressed, but I am always, always able to make time to talk about movies. That's great to know. Love it. What better way to de-stress than come on to Outvala Fair today? This is where I... And talk about, you know... Listen, my therapist said I think what you've been missing is out now. So here I am. Oh, a double dose of the double A. That's what I need right there. This is what we get from paying your therapist, you know, under the table. Cool. One of your scenarios have to be like corrupt. I know. Can you just be a regular therapist? We want Maxwell on the show. Now we got to find a new therapist and contact HIPAA. Well, we don't know anything about the files. We're just like, "Hey, make him come on the show more." Fair enough. Glad to have you here. I know it's been a minute. We've been trying to get you on a few times here. I know it's just like... I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me. For sure. We're happy to have you here. We got plenty to do this week. So let's get to it. Let's do some show notes. First up, it's a new month. It's August. And that means we have a new commentary track coming your way. We've had a fun run with our Global International Series. I don't know why I said both words. Of commentary tracks. Summer. We talked about Run Lola Run for its 25th anniversary. We talked about Chunking Express for its 30th anniversary. And this month, and possibly this week, we're recording our commentary for Kiki's Delivery Service for its 35th anniversary, which should be a lot of fun. Because who can't have fun watching Kiki's Delivery Service? Bad people. That's the answer to that question. That's what it is. They all reside in Gotham, Arkham Asylum. Even like Calendar Man, it's like Kiki's Delivery Service is my jam. Like the Arkham Asylum people do. You know, he's a minimum security wing. Okay, he's Calendar Man. What else? Show notes wise. We have a... We're not speaking of bonus episodes. We have another bonus episode. We talked the movie Creep Show. Tonight's 82. George Romero. Stephen King. Filmer Professor Mike Dillon. Part of a contest. He runs with Monster Palooza. She takes place in LA twice a year when coming in October as well. So you can search that if you want to. But yes, Abe and I and Mike, we talked all about Creep Show, which is a lot of fun. It's fun discussion. So we'll find that. Check it out. Find that. You can find our commentaries. All of that over on iTunes or Spotify, where you can sign find our show out now here today. And you can also give us a rating interview, which would be great. You would pop up some of the old iTunes charts. So much in advance. For sure. All right. Now let's get this out on some serious business. Okay. The 12th annual summer movie game. Coming to the close. Max Wells involved in this, of course, because we have many big guests of the show involved, where we've all predicted what we think are going to be the top 10 highest-risk films of the summer at the domestic box office. And oh boy, we had another couple of films that entered the box office landscape this week. And one of those did really, really badly. And another did really, really well. But first, just to go down the order. Deadpool and Wolverine pulled another 54 million this weekend. It's at 494 total so far. It ends with us. The Blake, speaking of Ryan Reynolds, the co-conspirator, Blake Lively, also had to fill up with this weekend to 50 million dollars. If I'm not mistaken, I believe it's at my dark horses, and I'm very happy about that right now. Good work. I might be wrong, though. Could be flabby to the moon. I have to have to check my numbers. Because that did not do well. Twisters made another 15 million. It's at 222 so far. Take a couple drops down. Borderlands, in its debut, we could open to 8.8 million. Sister of mine, people. We'll talk about this later, but the movie cost 120 million total. Not great. Not great for a 3,000 theater launch of this movie. I mean, it's 8 million dollars more than I have. This is sure. It's a good point. I have to action all your assets. Well, maybe. I have a trivia question for you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did it. So, Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds are husband and wife, and they have the top two movies at the box office. When was the last time that happened? If I had to guess, because I was thinking about this, I didn't look it up myself. Okay. If I had to guess, I would have to think it's got to be like 90, because it's we'll listen more have to be it, right? Like who else would they be? You nailed it. Okay. Oh, good. So it's got to two and ghosts. Hey, yeah, perfect. Nailed it in one. Because I was literally thinking about that. They were like, "Why does a married couple done that?" I'm like, I don't know. That's the only one there would have like legit movies, right? Because it's like, like Kutcher and Kunis aren't launching number ones back to back together. Or they were in it together. Or that or that. Sure. Yeah. Which is a totally different thing. Yeah. So there we go. All right. Well, records. And that was games. Thank you, Matt. So, oh, yeah. You're very, very terrible. This bit will be had another eight. It's at 3.30 total. Trap pulled another 6.75. That dropped 56% this weekend. Not terrible, not great. That 28 billion total would be cost 30. So, I mean, it's not going to be unprofitable, but certainly swing down given the budget. Sure. Inside out two, made it other 4.9. That's at 6.36 total. Herald in the purple crayon. 3.1. That's at 12 total. This is the first weekend or second weekend. That's the second weekend. And it dropped 48%. Which is again, not a terrible hold. Not terrible drop. It's just it, you know, didn't make money to begin. Not making a hold on. It's just negligible. Cuckoo made 3 billion. It's debut weekend. Again, not one that I expect to qualify for our contest, but nice to say. It's speaking of neon long legs. It's right behind another 2 million. It's at 71 total. Wow, good job by long legs. Loglia. It's really impressive. I assume the worldwide, it's 87, which is again, not anything over 10, but we like long legs from neon is already impressive. So, the fact that it's at 71 level and 87 worldwide. Pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. And yeah, that's the top 10. The quiet plays is at like 138. It's right outside the top 10. Okay. It's just right outside the top 10. Right outside the top 10. And just for the sake of saying it, Didi expanded. Yes. Thank you. It made 650,000. I say thank you. You know, I'm like, I haven't seen it yet. So, bad on me. But between that and Sing Sing, which also had a larger launch this weekend. Singing launch or was this weekend? It came out, technically it came out back in mid-July, but then it didn't expand until this weekend. Oh, I believe in that expand. It's only in 39 theaters. So, it's not, you know, you know, wide release. And here are some good stuff. It's certainly a movie that deserves eyes. Yeah. All right. That's enough of that. My thoughts on this talk. Well, we will to be continued. Because there's, we'll see. We'll see what they shake up from here. Um, let's move on. Let's get to some out now. Quickies. Trademark. Each, we don't know when we, we don't know, we don't know what we're doing. Trademark. I mean, good job, Aaron. Thanks. Yeah, really concentrated there. I tried. Maxwell, what have you been watching recently? Honestly, the main thing I've been watching recently other than maybe an unhealthy amount of the Olympics, um, has been the Food Network show, like calming and relaxing and great with the distress. I also rewatched a movie that I would argue is one of the funniest movies of recent memory. And that's, they came together. Oh, yes. That's a good movie. I laughed heartily. And as more and more rom-coms come out, I think that was almost ahead of its time. And it's a spot on airplane quality level spoof. It, that really is a great one. Yes. It's so funny. It's just, it's the, I would say it was a lot of it though. The jokes per minute ratio, I think, is so high in that movie. Yep. It's like a comedy writer's wet dream. Adios. No, that's about it. Who is Adam in this? Adam versus America. Oh, Alex versus America? Alex versus America. Who's is Alex? Chef Alex Square and a Shelley. She's a former Iron Chef. She has a restaurant in New York, but she is widely regarded as one of the great competition chefs of our time. She spends a lot of time cooking and competitions. And the concept of the show is cool. They bring in three people to battle her each episode. And these three people are all experts at a certain thing, whether that might be something as simple as chicken, or they're from Hawaii, so they have to cook Hawaiian food. And she doesn't always win, but she wins a lot of the time. And it's just, I love cooking shows. I find it very therapeutic. And it's fun to see her on her toes, having to cook things she's not necessarily an expert at. And, you know, figure out how to make a dish work. I like this concept here. It's almost like reverse. It was a Japanese show. Now I'm just losing my edge here. Iron Chef? Iron Chef, yeah. We're like three versus one. She was an Iron Chef. And I think this is sort of one of the next evolutions of that concept, kind of. Nice. Yeah. It's a deconstruction like they would do on the bear. Yeah. Season four is airing right now every week. So it's in the midst of a new season. Right? Very good. Hey, babe, how about you? What have you been watching? Oh, nothing. On to you. I've clearly missed two weeks worth of episodes. And you guys talked about quite a lot. And so we'll play catch up a little bit later. Deadpool, not my favorite. I think that you guys kind of nailed a lot of the big things there. Trap? Fun. Check it out. Let's see you like Trap. Who didn't? Well, me. So I mean, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I sure liked it. I agree with you on this one. I was curious where you landed, because you're all over the place of Shyabalan. Every time we do the Shyabalan. Yeah, we've got some hot and cold stuff. You're not big on Magic Beach at all. No, I wasn't. I think you like knock at the cabin. Knock at the cabin. I did like it for some parts, yeah. And then I definitely liked the visit. And yeah, it's been a little bit hot and cold. And then I have also been watching a lot of the Olympics. And had a very spiritual experience with the men's gold medal basketball game. It was fantastic. Steph Curry came through. Well, beautiful. Is he a new player? Is he like a rookie? Yeah, he's a rookie. Yeah, he's brand new. Yeah, you've never heard of him. He's going to make a big splash in the NBA. But I heard he's pretty good at shooting three pointers. I just want to have heard too. The scatter importance was like that right now. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what happens. I jumped in it because my dad was watching it. It was like jumped into watch with him the end of that game. And just seeing him knock out like three in a row. It's like my god. It was really cheap. It was the momentum of this game. It was magnificent. It was really hard in the house. It was really sexy, honestly. It was like, yeah, this is the stuff. It was just like, oh, like, oh, he's not missing. And it was just, oh man, the concentration factor. I remember somebody had tweeted today where they were saying, if you missed it live, there's no going back to the experience that you would have felt if you watched it live. And I was like, yeah, it's true. Because I've watched the last three minutes later in the evening. I watched the last three minutes of the basketball game today as well. And I've seen a ton of clips online. And yeah, it is cool to watch. But yes, those last two and a half minutes were just magnificent. And now on to LA. It's the kind of thing that awakened some latent patriotism in you that you might not have felt you had for a reason. Well, we'll get back to that when the election rolls around. But yeah, just beyond a few of the hits here and stuff that we're going to talk about today. I just been catching up with some television as well. So I finished the bear season three. I know that last time I talked about it three weeks ago at this point. I was at season or episode five, I think, the one with our gal. And then now I've completed it. And I'm curious to see what they're going to do in season four. Because I got some questions. But yeah, beyond that, I'm very curious, like when Bob's burgers comes back. I missed that show. Bobtober. Okay. Yeah, I never get this TV scheduled thing right anymore. But yeah. So now you finished, you finished the bear. I did. So now you were also able to witness what it said to be continued. And you're sitting there like, well, duh. Like, but what isn't going to stop? I was like, I need to know what these text messages mean, man. It is really weird that it was like, yeah, okay. Thanks show for telling me that the season ended way. But I did like how the chef, you know, played by Olivia Coleman. They just like all decided to party with like only the season regulars at, uh, at Iowa's apartment. And I was like, this is fun. See. I like to think that's how they refer to it as. Let's probably have the season regulars. Yes. The season regulars only none of her executives see chefs and none of her other staff. Just her and the other people. But it was really neat to see a deconstructed, uh, uh, Eggo waffle. It's really, it is really fun to think about the fact that her, her staff is not invited to this party. Yes. It's a bunch of people she doesn't know. I'd hang it out of these guys from Chicago. Exactly. Yeah. It's a bunch of people that, that like one of my, my students from many years ago has been, you know, Will Polter can call? He's fine. That's true. The guy who, my, my student yelled that one, that one time. But yeah, um, but yeah, on to you. I've seen a few things. Um, my little girlfriend, Anna and I, we watched the Blue Angels documentary that's on prime. Uh, the Glen Powell produced one? The produced one. Yeah. It was an iMacs for like, I think I just a couple of days. And I believe that was like a 50 minute version of it. This is a 90 minute documentary about the Blue Angels. And it's like, it's pretty good. Like, in the realm of what it's doing, it's a little long without having to like say much. Cause I feel like there's more they could have done with like, the history of the Blue Angels or what have you. But instead it just follows like the season they have with a select number, obviously the pilots. Sure. Um, so you go from like the beginning of like their season of doing, like basically shows across the cross the nation to the end. Which is fun. Like it's neat to see like watching, you know, jets do stuff is really neat and everything. I just wish there was like a bit more insight into it. But it's still like a good watch. Okay. If you're into the Blue Angels or into fighter jets, doing aerial stunts on the sky with that. It's not like a giant showcase for the stunts necessarily, but you still get to see plenty of cool footage from like, within the cockpit and from it far and stuff like that. So it's neat. Yeah. Who's doing the voiceover or is there any voiceover? It's all it's talking heads with the actual pilot, which again, that's neat because you're getting a, you know, a front row, you on like their perspective on how this stuff works and everything. So that's. Um, I did see the end. It ends with us. The, uh, the Blake Lively starring film. I did not read the book that it's based on. I am plenty aware of it now because of just, you know, general research and the movie. It's a bit of a mixed bag. I think on the one hand, given that it deals with, you know, spousal abuse, uh, or if it's just physical abuse of a loved one, what it's going for from a message standpoint and where it leaves things, I do think it hits those beats well. The issue I have is that the film, it's not just that it like, goes along with the sort of what you expect from a film that's geared towards women and like the ideas of how you play those films out. You know, I'm trying not to say chick flick, but I mean, it's hard, like what else would you call it? Like it's, that's very much what it's doing. There's nothing wrong with that. There's plenty of like good, dramatic romance films that play into certain kind of cliches, not unlike various action movies playing to experience various cliches or whatnot. But it's, it feels like it's maximized for the melodrama and the performances and whatnot without having much foundation in a lot of these characters. And it just feels shallow in those sections of the film before it gets too much heavier territory when it comes to the actual, the, you know, the abuse factor of the film. So it's totally, it feels really awkward because you're like, okay, I'm going along with this. It's nice and cute, I guess, but there's not much here. And then when it gets to the heavier stuff, you're like, Oh, okay, we're going this. And so it's like, it's a real back and forth. So it's, it's certainly a fit. Like I saw this on a Wednesday night at a sneak preview screening, packed audience of, you know, a largely female audience. Many of them probably read the book would have you. The reactions were what I'd expect from a movie like this. I can, I can see why I'll be popular, but I can also see why it's split down the middle of critics, where I think it's easy to respect what the movie is going for. But in terms of the actual filmmaking, it's kind of a mixed bag. Okay. I won't, I won't begrudge anyone for, I don't begrudge anyone forever for watching a movie and enjoying it. That's whatever. But like, I won't begrudge anyone for enjoying this movie. But at the same time, it's like, it feels like there's a stronger narrative that could have been sold here. And from what I understand, the book's not all that great, despite being at this, so I can kind of buy into that. Max, do you have any perspective on this? My perspective is that Colleen Hoover is the biggest, single biggest blight on the modern publishing industry. She's a fraud, she's a scam, her books are horrible, and it is not surprising to me that they're so popular. There you go. Okay. This is a movie I very much will see when it is available to stream out of sheer curiosity and for what it's worth, I have a very, very large shop spot for Blake Lively. Okay. There you go. Was it Sony film? So it'll be on Netflix in like three months probably. Yeah, I'm not in a rush, but I will watch it. And I'm aware that this book has a sequel. It starts with us, and given the success of this movie so far, won't be surprised if it comes into fruition as a film. Okay. So yeah, I watched a couple of other things that I'll make note of. I finally saw the young woman in the sea that Daisy Ridley, part of Jerry Bruckheimer's Big Summer that he's been having with... Yeah, Daisy Ridley, Swimming the English Channel. It's totally fine. It is totally a movie that makes sense why it would go to Disney+ until they put it in the theaters for like a week, and then eventually it reels you on Disney+. It's a good movie. It's not a great movie. It's in the same realm as, what was that Willem Dafoe movie that debuted on Disney+? Aquaman. It's not Balto. Yeah, it's the sledding one. It's not Balto. It's the other dog, the real dog. The dog did it all the work. Dog movie. Sledding movie. Togo. Togo, because I was like, it's not Toto, because that's another dog. I was gonna say Fargo, and I guess that's not too far off. I mean, not too far off, yeah. Between the two of us, we got there. Yeah, it's got it. It's in that realm of, this is a perfectly serviceable Willem. It's a solid lead performance. It's nicely made. I won't think of it ever again unless it comes up in conversation. Like, that's where it's at, okay? Let's see. Speaking of small animals, I watched a movie called My Penguin Friend. I've heard of it. Yeah. It's our genre, no. It's a true story of, where is he? Is he Argentina? I should really have these things ready to go. Let's see. It's this heartbroken fisherman. I know that. Like, he suffers a tragedy when he's young. And where does this fucking thing take place? Brazil? There it is. He's a Brazilian fisherman. A penguin washes ashore. He nurses it back to health. Let's it go. And then it keeps coming back to when every now and again, like every new season, it comes back and returns them. So it becomes like his friend, essentially. It, I saw the trailer for this movie and I'm like, genre knows of like a family-friendly penguin movie. I'm in and I watched it and I'm like, this is exactly what I wanted. Like, it is so nice. It's a PG movie and it's like, this is so unassuming and does it like amount to much beyond? Isn't it fun that this story happened? And I was happy with it. It's very, it's a very enjoyable, very enjoyable thing. I'm glad. Yeah. Does he teach it later, how to kill and she guns? No, but they do water plants together. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Let's see. There's a very small movie called The Way We Speak that I want to make though. Okay. This thing stars Patrick Fabian. He played Howard on Better Call Saul. And he stars as a, he's like an upcoming author who is going to go to this debate with a like a collegiate friend of his, he dies, the friend. So they get a, they get a ringer who is a young woman who like, she specializes in religious studies. And so they have these series of debates. He's going through his own stuff as far like his friend, Dr. One, thinks he was green from that. He has a well wife of cancer. And the film, like it has these beats where every so often you see one, like the debate goes over like multiple days. So you see like a debate and debate and debate. And there's like, there's a humor there. There's kind of, it's debates. So there's kind of like attacking going on as far as their opinions on things, what have you. And then in between those scenes, you have a lot of the two of them as well as the wife and others, like all just talking or out each other and kind of like feeling each other out. I mentioned this movie because I think it's quite good. And I think the Patrick Fabian, who I think is quite good and Better Call Saul, he's very good in this. And it's nice to see him give a performance where it's not unlike the Howard character he plays in Better Call Saul, but maybe it's entirely folk. He's the lead role here. And I got the screener at random. And I was like, okay, let's see what this is. No, I sent it to you. And it's 90 minutes. And I was like, all right, cool. And it just, it works. It's a really solid like dialogue, heavy character study. Okay. I quite appreciate it. It's called The Way We Speak. I think it's like on digital. Who's the distributor on that? It's a small one. Okay. Yeah. No, I'm just curious. So yeah, what else? What else did I watch? I watched one more thing. I watched Skincare. This comes out this week. It's with Elizabeth Banks. She plays a woman that has like a fancy skincare shop. Like moisturizing stuff, but she also does like massaging stuff or whatever. She gets it set in 2013 for some reason, which was weird to be because like it's not based on a true story, but it's still set in 2013 very specifically. Very particular, yeah. They're like, okay. And basically someone begins trying to ruin, trying to ruin her reputation. They start all these fake accounts. They like hack her email and send like lewd emails to like all over clients and stuff like that. And so the film becomes this sort of like mystery thriller revenge story with like a dark comedy tinge in it. And I can't say like, I think it's it's very mean in a way I didn't like like because it didn't amount to much beyond like, why'd it have to be this mean? But I I was intrigued by where it was going. But by the end of it, I was like, I wasn't really really going to wear a special, but skincare watch that I'm not huge on it. Got it. So yeah, air new earth hates sunscreen. Got it. All right. He works. He works for a big son. I did exactly. He works for big son. I work for big melanin. That's what I work for. All right. Definitely more so than me. That's not it, please. Trademark. Let's move on. Now it's kind of some trailer talk. We're talking about one of the newest movie shows of the week. When it's coming out, what we thought about it. We have you. This we were talking heretic. This is a new film for directors Scott Beck and Brian Woods. They are the writers of the first quiet place. They also did the Ville Mahant, which I quite like. And they made the film 65 last year, which taught us how can you screw up a film about dinosaurs versus Adam Driver? So now they're back with something smaller that doesn't feature dinosaurs or Adam Driver to my knowledge. Instead, it has two Mormon missionaries who attempt to convert a bad play by Hugh Grant. Hugh Grant invites them in. It turns out he has some kind of crazy house full of traps and shit, because why not? So it's still in 24. That by the backsweller. Are you excited for heretic? Yeah, I think it looks interesting. I like you. I'm a big fan of haunt. And I'm happy to see that. Happy to see them returning to something a little more smaller and hopefully character driven. The mazes and stuff look really cool. But mostly for me, as he gets older, I'm just thoroughly enjoying watching Hugh Grant try new things, lean into being creepy, doesn't have to play like the bumbling romantic lead. And I can't wait to see how much scenery he gets to chew and how creepy they are to be in this. It looks it looks solid. 8W? Yeah, I'm looking forward to it too. I mean, for the same reason as Maxwell, which is Hugh Grant just like coming into his, I'll play a lot of smaller characters and kind of be off the walls a little bit, or very super subtle and enjoy doing it. So I'm looking forward to the Hugh Grant performer. But yeah, the trailer, the way that it pans out and it's like, oh, there's like a bunch of like weird little traps. And now I'm never going to be looking at blueberry pie candles the same way ever again. Yeah, I know that a 24, which has a robust online shop, will be selling air. Yeah, I'm sure that you guys who get this for sure get like a care package that includes blueberry pie sent all one hopes. What hopes now? No, I'm certainly into Hugh Grant's villain era that he's been using as of late, spent a lot of fun. Although I would welcome him doing one more bumbling thing at some point, and then it like turns into a villain. That'd be fun. I should note the cinematographer is Chung Chung Hoon, who works, but Park Tan looked a lot. Because I saw it because I didn't realize this was a movie until like I saw the trailer for him like, okay, and this is like, so what's behind this? Like, oh, it's the it's Beckett Woods. Cool. Oh, they got this cinematographer. Like I based on like the look of what I've seen from just this trailer. It's like, all right, let's see where this goes. This will be a second movie in a row with with Hugh Grant also. He did Wonka. Oh, okay. Look at that. Who knew? Ah, there you go. Try it a better time. But yeah, despite being disappointed in the astronaut versus dinosaur, I still want Beckett Woods to do something that works for me again, because I know they're they're capable. So a little 824 horror film. Yeah, sure, we're not. Yeah, okay. Heretic arrives in theaters November 15th. It's not coming this fall. You shall see. All right, let's move on to the first of our two reviews. Let's talk about Cuckoo. I'm police investigator Henry Londo. I'd like to ask you a few questions about the incident. I need you to help me find that woman. It was your first day, my dear. Not good. The closer you come to where we are now. The amount of people that have encountered the woman in crisis. Where are we going to see some action? That should have been some of the trailer for Cuckoo. Director Tillman Singer is a German filmmaker whose second film, Cuckoo, began building buzz back in February. It played at it also played at South by Southwest among other venues, and it's finally made its way to theaters this weekend. The film follows Gretchen, an American teenager who has reluctantly moved to resort in the German Alps with her father, stepmother, and step-sister. They are greeted by a friendly doctor with a hidden agenda. Gretchen picks up on this quickly. And her attempts to stave off boredom are upset by strange noises, recoccurrences, and other things that could make anyone go a bit crazy. Maxwell, you said of a bitch. I want to know. What did you think of Cuckoo? Oh, I thoroughly enjoyed Cuckoo. It is, in many ways, batshit insane. I think there is an argument to be made that it doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense. But I think it makes sense in its own weird dream logic. This film is so immaculately made. The production design, the sound design, the cinematography. I lost my mind at a brilliant split diopter shot. It is a sexy, stylish movie. It builds its atmosphere really well. And I think because of that, the places this movie goes, which I will not say now, work, because it feels part of what Tillman Singer is building. I think he is a filmmaker to watch because what he accomplishes in this movie really excited me. On top of all that, I think both Hunter Shafer and Dan Stevens are brilliant. Dan Stevens continues to carve out this weird, amazing career, playing strange dudes with weird accents, and I am here for it. He is delicious in this movie. And then Hunter Shafer gets, this is her first lead role in the movie. And I think she anchors this thing with pathos and intensity and does a really, really nice job keeping things grounded and giving the audience something to care about and root for when this stuff does go cuckoo's bananas, pun intended. I had a great time with this. And I look forward to watching it again and seeing how much of it actually makes sense and how much it doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense because it's made so well. I'm curious to have you seen Tillman Singer's first film, "Lose"? I have not. But I do want to go back and watch it now because I was impressed with his work here for sure. I checked it out recently after I had seen cuckoo because I was just certainly curious. And yeah, it's on Shutter now currently. It's 70 minutes. Easy watch. And certainly conveys a lot of similar things, at least from a filmmaking standpoint. But hey, I want to go to view how did you feel about cuckoo? I was very intrigued by cuckoo. I remember watching this, the trailer. And then I texted you about it maybe like a month and a half ago or something like that. And I was like, have you seen cuckoo? And I was happy that we're going to go check it out and talk about it as one of our features on the reviews here. I enjoyed cuckoo. I think that there were maybe a little bit shade less than Maxwell did. I think that I enjoyed it for a lot of what he was also talking about, which is the weirdness of it all. Like and kind of not even explaining some of the weirdness at some time. I dig when directors are just taking leaps like that, especially like with some of the repeat scenes that you're seeing in this movie. It's like, I don't know what's happening here, but I fucking dig this shit. And I also really enjoy the, there's like a lot of like good suspense/worldbuilding like in the first act of this movie. And I like that a lot. You know, there's a weird cabin, but there's also these strange people and you know, don't go out after 10 p.m. And a lot of weird screeching noises and everything else. Like this is all really well, well and good. I think kind of like where I'm kind of lesser on it is that maybe I was maybe expecting a little bit more techno-thriller and or something that's a little bit like political like maybe like cooler. Not to say that it's not cool on its own, but I think that when you get down to its brass tacks of the third act items, it is, I really dig like what is happening. But I also kind of think that there's a lot going on too. And the a lot of stuff going on is relying upon the actors, which I think are good. Dan Stevens, but also Jan something, I forget his name. Blue Tarte? Yes, Jan Blue Tarte, who I think is really good too in trying to convey what he's got here. But yeah, pretty interesting concept of the pretty like visually very interesting. Well shot, you know, again, I really like that there's some really memorable scenes for sure. And really cool like character design that I was not really sure of how this is actually going to play out because at one point, I was like, Oh, Terminator 2. It's kind of not Terminator 2, but it is what it is. So I dig that again, that there's some swings here and you know, the swings don't always land. At least they were swinging. You know, this reminds me of what I was saying with levelized bleeding, where it's like that third act is like weird, but I was like, I'm glad that they tried something that was different. So yeah, Kuku is I think it's interesting and good. And I tell people to go check it out in theaters of the kid. It's yeah, it's not T2. No one, no one comes out of the floor and stabs you in the face. No one's doing chin ups either. No one's doing chin ups. I liked Kuku. I do think it starts more promising than it ends. And I have reasons for that partially. It's I just wish it kind of maintained a sense of weird throughout. And I do think it's a very weird movie. But something I do want to highlight from the outset is it was very fun. It was a fun movie to watch. Like, you know, despite the creepiness and some of the goryness, although I don't think it's crazy bloody. I do think it has a sense of sensey, not just a sense of humor, but like a sense of let's keep like just knocking at the audience and to make sure they're on board with how like ridiculous this all is. And I think that comes very much in the form of Dan Steven's character as a whole, where it's the kind of film that obviously there's going to be like another shoe drops and like you'll find out more about certain things would have you. But at the same time, Dan Steven doesn't like hiding that fact necessarily. He's for the audience. Like, you know, for the second they get that like obviously something's fucked up about this place. Makes you think that, Aaron. Like even Hunter Shaper, she's very aware right away. It's like, this is weird. Like, why are we, why are we here? I think she says at least like a couple of times. Yeah. So it's like the movie's not self-aware, but it knows that it's playing with certain kinds of tropes. And I appreciated that. I like that it's kind of a mashup of various horror movies, where it feels like a 70s Euro thriller, which also a 80s body horror film, which also kind of a slasher movie. It has a lot of like different ideas going on. And do they all coalesce smoothly by the end of it? Again, that's where I kind of rub up against some things. But it's not, it doesn't take away the fact that I had a good time watching this. And Max, I agree with you, I think, but not just Dancy, but yeah, Hunter Shaper is really good in this movie. As a lead performance, it's a really solid, like, essentially a final girl performance here. And I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of effort to not make her unlikable, but certainly make her, you know, she's challenging the system presented in front of her in ways that I think make it more interesting than just clearly we're on the side of this person. It's more, yeah, she's annoyed by this. And it's kind of annoying to watch her be annoyed sometimes, but also it's like, look at all this weird stuff happening. There's a lot there that you don't always get in these kinds of movies when it comes to the heroine at the center of it. From a filmmaking standpoint, sound design is fucking great. It's moving. Sound design is so cool. The way it's playing with the kind of horror set piece scenes that we get, there's some intriguing stuff that happens there. And eventually there is a sort of explanation, but regardless, just the way it kind of builds up the certain sequences, I think is really well done. And a lot of that comes from different uses of sound, whether it's something very deliberate based on the villains that are involved, or just from the use of head films, which seem to come into play very frequently in different ways for different reasons. So like all of those elements, I mean, it makes it certainly a movie to look out for, because I think it's a lot of, it's a, if you were, if long legs didn't do it for you as far as a, this wasn't as fun as I was hoping long legs would be. This certainly has the fun factor when it comes to neon horror, the movies that came out this summer. And I quite, I could actually, did you see long legs by the way? Were you a fan? I love long legs. And we're all at the same page, long legs. But I can certainly understand an audience. It's like, that wasn't fun. And actually, it was the early birthday, by the way. Hopefully, your birthday falls on a 14th or something. It's close, but it doesn't. I'm on the night. You're safe. You're safe. I'm safe. I'm safe. So yeah, I was a fan of it. Okay. I want to, we kind of have been dancing around this all summer, but I'm curious to hear both your thoughts on Dan Stevens's great turn as like character actor, but now like character actor doing wacky parts. Well, him being like, his genre movie year these have between Godzilla and Abigail and this, I've been a big fan of. I like this. Those are fucking onions. It's a great library. It's a great library. Delivery of the year. I like what he's been doing. I like him in this movie. Like if he wants to keep doing this kind of thing, all for it. Yeah. You know, there's like an alternate timeline where he, you know, became the New James Bond sort of, right? Like coming off down Navi's British. He's chiseled. He could have been like that matinee idol, modern equivalent. The fact that he is just having so much fun doing these weird parts. And like you can tell putting his all into it and like throwing in a bit. It's just a joy to watch. And it really goes back to the guest for me, which I think is so great. And he's so great in it. And this watching is like evolution from the guest now to Cuckoo. And it's so fun. Yeah. I mean, the other side of that Bond coin though is like he could have been another Alex Pettifer or whatever. He's like one of these English guys that, you know, they fit. Well, Alex Pettifer is doing TV now, Aaron. You sent me the commercial. Whatever. These various guys, you know, all we could mention all the chrises. We could mention every number of things. Sure. You know, as far as these guys that are pitched to us as, you know, he's blonde in British and he looks nice, right? Yeah, yeah. That's a big deal. Let's put him in all these lead roles. And he's like, I'm going to just take these, like weird interesting roles and stuff. I'm going to do like, you know, Euro, the Euro dance. You know, a saga of ice and fire. He was great. He was great. Yeah. Eurovation. Yeah. He has a great, he has a great singing voice too. I'd love to see him do more musicals, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I'll, I'll wait on this. Yeah. Did, did either of you get some diploma vibes from singers filmmaking? Yeah. A little bit. You mentioned the split the after. I mean, yeah, well, but yeah. No, there's a, there's a attention that you can, that you, that you found in the, in the number of scenes and how they play out that, especially with the, just the presence of the hooded woman as these birds. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, you could look at that as a, um, as a, not body double, the other one. But yes, I could, I could see, I could see a lot of diploma. Okay. And the one's better around this. Yeah. Hey, Aaron, you're also mentioning that there's like a. Dress to kill. That's a stress. Okay. Yeah. But Aaron, you were also mentioning there's like a lot of like genre mixes in this as well, uh, with body horror and or, um, like European thrillers to some degree too. Uh, but here's the main thing kind of popped out at you and would reference and say like, you should go check out this other movie if you really like it. I want to lead too hard of this. Just got to want to like get stuff away necessarily. But I mean, it's certainly 70s horror is a good reference point for lots of things. So I mean, it does feel like singer is very indebted to the four bears. Um, as far as that goes, paranoia thrillers as well. And just in general, yeah, kind of look too. Yeah. There's like the trope in these sort of movies where the main character believes it's going on. And thus the audience doesn't, but either everybody else doesn't believe or they're purposefully obfuscating and it normally drives me crazy. Yeah. But I think it was done really well here and it balanced the line pretty well because I still have some questions as to certain people's involvement in what was going on and how much they knew and didn't know. And I think that that that allowed some of the like, why are you fucking believing this person who is clearly being messed with? Yeah. It makes it go down a little easier, I think. Yeah. That's where some of my pain points are like, I don't disagree with you. I do think a level ambiguity is necessary for a film like this. At the same time, there are characters that I just wonder like, so what's their deal? Like, what is this about to? And part of that's because like, for example, Jessica Henwick plays her stepmother. She's third build in this movie. Yeah. Good on her agent. But I'm like, what did she actually do in this? Like, I kept trying to wonder like, what's her role in all of this? And good for her to get to use her actual accent. Uh-huh, yeah. But I agree, if I were to pick out like a major flaw or issue, it's her parents' characters, I feel are left, um, annoyingly unresolved. That's what I do think. Yeah, exactly. Um, it didn't ultimately didn't detract from my overall enjoyment, but if we're like nitpicking that, I think it's something that could have been a little handled a little better in the end for sure. Right, yeah. Because it without getting too far, I want to talk more about the rest of the movie, you know, without getting too far to the ending. I do feel it seems to resolve itself not unlike a lot of other generic action movies as far as the staging of who's left and what they're doing. And I was like, I feel like more time could be spent on, but like you're mentioning the parents, other elements that could use more instead of just some guys doing some stuff. And I'm like, I've seen this before in the movie. That's where I'm at when it comes to why I was, I was really big on the journey getting to where I went and then by the end, it's not a lot like whatever reasoning they want to give, whatever logic, that stuff didn't bother me. I'm cool with how they decided to do all that information out. It's just more of a final stand off taking place. Like, is that the best we could have done with the conclusion of this? I'm not exactly, I'm not entirely sold on that. That's kind of where I was talking about like multiple arcs, kind of like having to resolve in the third act, but yeah, next one. I was going to say, I think it's safe to say, and again, I really enjoyed this, but I think it's safe to say if Singer was given like a really brilliant script from another writer, and he just could go to town, he could make a classic. And at the end of the day, the writing is probably the weakest aspect of this movie, and does let some of it down. Again, I'm sounding negative. I really enjoyed it. No, no, no, I hear you. No, I hear you because I think that's kind of where you guys both mentioned that Hunter Shafer is like pretty good. It's like, I think that she's good too, but I think there could have been marching things for her to either say or do, not to say like from a plot standpoint, but I think just like what you're saying, questioning either the town's people or the people that are coming in and out, like including who's the person that the French woman that's like and yeah, we're like, oh, I'd love some more like sinister feelings from this person of just is, or is this person a part of this conspiracy or not kind of part of the conspiracy. But yeah, I think that if there was something that Tillman Singer was just like straight directing, and somebody else wrote like a banger script, I think that would just be a really cool combination, yeah. Well, yeah, and that speaks to the filmmaking side of things. So yes, I think there's so many directorial choices that work as far as how do we convey horror and still like let you have a good time. But like, yeah, there is that early scene that's in like the trailers, which is on the bike. Really fun thing to watch here. That's just really neat, like the way it's presented and everything. And it has a buildup and it has a real A, B to C kind of trajectory of that, the whole sustained sequence there, which I think is just really cool, or other areas, like when they're driving in a car at one point, things occur. I mean, there's just, there's a lot of like neat choices being made. Yeah, like neat choices even like in insert shots too, of just like a palpitations of like a throat or something like that. Oh yeah, actually, I don't know what the fuck is happening here. And I don't know who I'm looking at. But this is actually a really cool choice to just put in like an insert shot and be like, no, you guys supposed to be like the audience, I want you guys to feel weird about this. Like I do feel weird about it. I think also it's, it's difficult to make core movies that mostly take place during the day and in the light. And I think this is a good example of that. There are night scenes and those are some of the scarier scenes. But the dread that Tillman Singer was still able to build in scenes during daylight and with the beautiful Swiss Alps and these, you know, whether it be the lodge or the gorgeous house that her and her parents were living in and really nice work because I've seen other many other core movies where it never gets dark and it's like, yeah, you, you, you, you miss the mark here guys. Yeah, I, I, I also appreciate the, the use of the Alps as a setting here. That's just fun to see. Like, it, it's a, it's a full location. Yeah. And I, I don't necessarily think the do we need to be like, use more of it. But it was like, there's so much here. This is great. Like it. Well, the best way to make your low budget movie look impressive is go film at a really beautiful location that already exists. Like they spent seven million dollars on this movie. It looks far more expensive. This was seven million dollars. They're in the fucking German Alps. It's, it's great. Yeah. And that, you know, and they shot it on film, which I will always add. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Always. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, seven million bucks. I was going to ask what the budget was like. This is what am I doing with my life kind of thing. Yeah. I have a question. Yes. Where were you guys at when the hooded woman began enacting whatever her plan was? Like, what's the feeling you're getting the vibe you're getting out of that? Because I was certainly sitting there being like, what's, what's the deal? What is that? What is, what is in her hand? What's going on here? Sure. I do. I mean, I do think there is a little intentional silliness to it. Um, but what I will say without being too spoilery is I connected the dots at that point because of the title of the movie. There. Sure. I wasn't sure. I mean, you know, in the beginning, maybe there are shots of birds and things and, you know, it's explaining some things, but there was like, oh, oh, I see what they're going for. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think the title is actually doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Yeah. Um, I dug it. Because again, it's weird. It reminds me of like a first old man, Aaron, when you and I are talking about it. We're like, what the fuck is happening? Sure. Yeah. And this scene here with this woman trying to give birth and we're like, that like going for, going for things here, swinging for fences, you know, and like, it's weird. It reminds me of something sort of akin to like, um, don't breathe. Whereas like, I don't know what's happening here, but I also, again, just dig that it's, that it's, it's choosing to do this and choosing to, to show me something that, you know, can be construed as like body horror or can be construed as like, um, like uber gross. But yeah, like what Maxwell's saying, like when things are explained, you're like, no, I get it. Yeah. But it just in that sequence itself, because that whole entire sequence is actually really cool, right? You know, there's like some, some stuff that happens prior to it. And then some stuff that happens like after it too, which is kind of like elements that is like, yeah. There's like a time element, but also like a trick, like a trick sound effect play, of just like, which character is doing what? And, but I really dug that whole entire sequence. But yeah, what do you think of, what do you think of that sequence or what's happening? I mean, between that and the first domain, like you just mentioned, those are both movies that I've seen where I'm like, oh, we could put our 3D glasses on in this scene. Really maximize the, uh, working on like a 4D effect with some mist and spray. Oh, yeah. Let's watch both of these at 40 X. That's what I'm saying, really. Uh, but no, I, I, I'm all for like villains that have a look like as far as like, you know, like here's the audition for cosplay. And so I was like, yeah, it's dark. We're in sunglasses. Where's the wig? Whatever. Up this is like, wait, so what's their plan exactly? Are they just like stabby stabby or they got something else going? It's like, oh, you got something else going on. What is this? That was like, I like a move that's just like, let's just keep you on your toes of what this is going to be. Sure. It certainly has some tricks up and sleeve as far as what kind of movie is this exactly? And it, it knows that a mess of you on that front, which I can always appreciate. Yeah, I mean, I'm curious how you guys kind of felt overall, like, without going to spoiler territory around it, which is just, you know, it's like a, it's like a weird sci-fi science experiment type of war movie. And, you know, it doesn't think it's landing. I think for the most part, it does. I think Aaron, you know, are kind of a little bit lesser on the third act. Just with how things, how quickly things are evolving and escalating, but also probably how quickly they resolve to. And so, yeah, totally okay with the way that, that it doesn't have to go into like some of the lore, I guess. And I was, I, whenever a director intentionally kind of just says like, no, just choose to believe whatever the villain on the screen is telling. It's like, it's fine with me. It's like, I don't have to go into like, well, this is the reason why I'm crazy. It's like, no, I don't need to know why you're trying to preserve things, whether you're trying to preserve, like whether you're like a, you know, a sadist or like a naturalist, I don't know, doesn't matter. I will say about the third act, whether or not you, and I mean the general, you feel it like fully works or is well written. The whole everything that happens at the hospital is so well done. Like, I see it's shot effectively, for sure. It's shot effectively. It's paced well, like the horror and action beats really land. And so, I was so like entertained and also impressed by the quality of the filmmaking that I was, I think able to forego some of the other issues just because it was like refreshing to see, oh, this movie's really well made to guys. You know what I mean? I did like the confrontation's Gretchen was having during the third act quite a bit, as far as who she's facing off against and how things get resolved. I think there's a lot of clever ideas. And that's what I think. I like that Gretchen is very vulnerable. Like, this movie doesn't like make it easy on her. She gets a head wound pretty early. Oh my gosh, she gets the shit beat. Let's be honest, she gets the shit beat out of her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's neat to see it. It's neat to see her push through that much stuff before getting to the finale of the movie. I had a little PTSD because the ratios wearing on her arm is the same when I wore when I broke my elbow. I was like, I feel this pain. I am right there with you, Gretchen. I really like that there is physical ailments that increase throughout the film. I actually, Maxwell, you're talking about some of the humor elements of it too. I laugh inadvertently, not in a mean way, but when she's running to go get Alma later in the film, she's like, her leg is broken. This is actually really funny, but also really well thought out. No, I think there is a lot of intentional dark humor throughout. I think that's totally what was intentioned. Yeah, and that's kind of where my comment earlier, I'm like, oh, I wish I was a little bit cooler kind of came in because there is a lot of thought intentionality. What I will say about the third act, just to cap off what you guys, what YouTube we're talking about, it's very well thought out. It's very, again, what Hunter Shafer's character is doing, Gretchen is doing, how the whole entire, why it's empty, what they're doing in the hospital, what's happening, you know, where all the players are in this hospital, you know, like where she is in this records room slash storage room area. Pretty neat to think about all the things that she has to do to for ear protection and then have that all plays out. But yeah, this is also where I really dig the sound design too, because you guys are talking about foot steps and the way that her boots sound or the sweated woman's clothing sounds when she's turning corners and being like very direct. But yeah, I dig just Tillman Singer's thought process and how I want to make sure that it's as erotid as possible from like an action standpoint of what these characters are doing this third act, because it can be silly if you were to just be like, how many magazines of bullets do they have, you know what I mean? But it's also like, yeah, well, you know, it's a movie, man. Like you gotta leave a vote. I mean, the parts of the important part. They constantly reload. They're constantly reloading. And we did. I remember actually thinking to myself, oh, wow, they're actually showing Dan Stevens reload. Cool. Yeah. Like, oh, that's a nice little. It is the kind of thing where regardless of how well I feel it's been executed, I do think Singer has all the pieces in mind as far as if you ask them and they lay it out every single thing that's going on with every single character. They would have the answer to that question. Yeah. He would know, like, where character A, B, C is what they're up to, what their motivation is, what they're doing. And for that reason, I can, yes, I can not just let it slide, but like feel happy with a film that feels thought out. Even if I feel like the third act has been like a little messy in certain bus spots, I do feel like they know what they're talking about. Here's a question. Okay. It's more thematic. I have a broader one, but I'll go up to smaller one first. Hunter Shafer. She is a trans person. This film doesn't specifically note that with her character. I'm happy to go along a film that's just like, that doesn't need to be an issue whatsoever or what have you, but like, do you think there's anything to the film as far as her character being in this? Does that make a difference in this? Is that thematically important in any way? I mean, I think in large part, no, but then the theme of motherhood and mother, you know, kind of rest upon my thoughts as the movie progresses as well. So perhaps if you were to ask it and pose it and I were to like, you know, give you like this literary thoughtful answer, but in large part, I didn't think about, you know, her and her casting in this role with any sort of additional thought. It's entirely fair. I would say I didn't either. I just seemed like, okay, we just cast a person that was right for the role. You know, I was curious if they, you know, because movies these days are making certain choices. Obviously, there could be thematic resonance in the choices you're making. So I'm just curious if you had a max, what do you have any thoughts on it? Yeah, I mean, so I don't consider myself trans, but I do use he/they pronouns and I do consider myself non-binary. There are some non-binary people that do consider themselves trans. I don't, I just think gender is a construct that I'm just happy to be me and exist as me. And it is something I thought about. And what I liked is that it doesn't matter and I don't think it matters. I love that we can now be in a world where Hunter Shafer can be cast to play a female final girl in this movie and it doesn't fucking matter. And that to me is what's so cool about it, right? I'm sure that if we wanted to with, as you said, some of the notes on motherhood and grief and all those things, a cogent argument could be made for how there is interesting discussion points there. But I don't think it was necessarily intentioned. I think she was just cast because she is a great actress and was right for the part. She has an edge to her, right? She's believable as sort of like for lack of a better term, like a hot topic girl, you know what I mean? Sure. And I just think they cast, you know, an up-and-coming actress who would bring a little notoriety to it and did a hell of a good job. Yeah, entirely fairly safe. And that makes me happy. Yeah, okay. So with that, what's this movie about, do you think? Like, what's it getting into as a whole? Like a hilarious German folktales that the Tillman singer heard as a child and then just said to make movies about? I think it's about mothers. Right. Like, you know, it initially sort of starts as an examination of grief because Gretchen lost her mother. Right. But if you really think about everything that happens, every part of it is about mothers. Jessica Henwick is a mother. There's stuff with Alma and a mother. The hooded woman and other characters we see and sort of the goo we were talking about earlier. It's about motherhood in the way that can manifest itself in very interesting ways. Right. Yeah. And just to add on to that, very well said, is there's also the concept of like acceptance of like, of surrogate mothers as well. Right. Yeah, yes. So you have Gretchen, who's like, "That's not my sister." And it's like very like cold relationship. And then it just builds toward the end there too. And it becomes accepting of, yeah, you know, like this person, like we now have like a bond together. So I think like it's not hidden, like what Maxwell is kind of alluding to. Like it's kind of like there throughout the whole entire movie. But it is like really fun to think about when it's kind of like, when we're talking about long legs, Aaron's like, "No, no, this is about his relationship, like with his own mother as well." And kind of like the stories that his mother told him and then kind of growing up and just realizing that not everything is the way that it is. But no, I think that superficially, you could just be like, "No, it's about, yeah, weird German sense experiments." And that's fine. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And you know, it is fine the way that that is too, with elements of like what you're talking about earlier, like other horror movies that have kind of influenced Tillman Singer. But also, yeah, it's, you could clearly see it that there is like a theme here. I mean, there's a version of this movie where Vincent Price is playing Dan Stevens' part. And it is just a schlocky mad scientist movie. And even, I think if that's what you take away from Cuckoo, it's like Aaron said, it's fun. It works in that context. But I do think it has a little bit more. It's fine. Yeah, this was 70. You could put like Donald Sutherland in that part pretty easily. Well, I actually, I think John Malkovich was supposed to play the part and then dropped out. Yeah, you really? Yeah, John Malkovich for the Steven's part. For the Steven's part, Janet Chan and Sophia Batella. Wow, this movie kind of went through a lot of people. Yeah, things happen. Yeah, that's true. But I did like, it is not easy to make a movie. This is true, yeah. But kind of like what Rand Paul says in Meckel's part is like, I do like the 100 Shaver character, because yeah, she's got to have like this attitude about her. And then you kind of have to like, back her up, like in the movie, like you kind of really, it really grows on you that this is the person that I'm the protagonist that I'm trying to, to make sure that they make it out. Okay. And yeah, it does come off the vibes are there. So sure. And just to get back to my questions real quick, I asked it because I did walk out wondering, not entirely wondering, because I like I had the mother thoughts were certainly occurring through her very apparent. But I was also like, what's singer going for in all of this? Is he going for just like giving us a good time or does he have deeper messaging? He wants to get in beyond what's very clearly on the surface. Yeah. And so that's why a couple wondering, it's like, like cash shaver, does that like make a difference? Because I don't tend to, you know, I don't have the same experience that, you know, other people do, because that's not, you know, we're all our own individuals. So I'm just like, I was curious if anyone else thought of anything in certain regards or whatnot. Like I've certainly heard takes on a log like, for example, if, if Nick Cage's character is trans, and it's like, it wouldn't have occurred to because it was my mind just doesn't, like, that's something I lead to by default. But I could understand like, trying to do arguments in that realm. Yeah, I heard those arguments too, and they did not land for me. For my legs. Yeah, at all. I would agree. And I think there's very specific reasons as to why, but that's a long discussion. Yeah. I have a question for you. Did you guys, you guys both watched loose? Yes. Okay. Is that it was also kind of like thematically in the same line, or is it like very different from like, in terms of just like the horror aspects, things too, but also if you watch the theme that he also put on to that movie, if you watch the lose, and then you watch this movie, you can see that that's from the same director. Okay, I see. Okay, so the directorial choices are there, but you can see like, oh, you got more of a budget. Especially knowing that it's 70 minutes. I'm going to try and watch it this week, because I do love me some shutter. Yeah, this is true. Yeah. Have they raised their prices, or are they being jerks like everybody else? Me like, this is now $50. I mean, with shutter, you can get it separately. I have a package with like AMC plus hand, and like the, what is it, the Sundance, like it's a whole thing. Wow, you got a lot of streamers. Yeah. Well, because it's all like, I wanted AMC, and it's like, it comes with shutter, like, well, that's a bonus. It's a bonus. It's like, you know, you get it for some content. The thing with shutter is, I think shutter is a great service, but like criterion, I own so much of this horror already. So it's not like I have a real drive to use it, unless there's something unique that comes out of it. Yeah. And criterion, like same thing. I like, I own so many criterias. I don't need the criterion, too. It's, it's a criminal. Aaron's got his own, like every, every weekend, Aaron actually just films himself, picking up movies for his own criterion. Well, we can all have the space that California. Yeah. I am, I am leaving New York in a couple months. So I will have a little more space at least by a teaser. Yeah. We're gonna leave it at that by my shelves, or I play a lot of Tetris these days to utilize for sorting. Nice. Any other thoughts on Kook? Any other questions? No, I would love people to go check it out because I watched it with a theater of a total of five, including me. And I was like, oh, it would have been cool if I had seen it with something larger. But I'm curious how if you guys watched it with a larger audience, how they reacted. Was it engaging or is it pretty quiet Maxwell? I saw it in the town I'm actually moving to, which is not isn't Connecticut. It's not that far. I'll still be working in New York and stuff at an AMC. And I think there was maybe like 15 people and everyone was quiet and respectful. And I heard generally, you know, it seemed like it was a crowd of people who wanted to be there who liked any films, liked horror films. There didn't seem to be anyone who was like really, you know, like taking it back by how weird it was. I think, yeah, I think people were pretty into it from my audience. It was a very respectful audience. I saw how to depress screening, and it was in the smallest screening room in my area. But it was still like, it was still pretty full. It was like 20 people. And no, and I sat close because it's a small screen. Like, I don't want to be tall people bit in front of my face. I set up front. But no, I could still feel the the energy of the room as far as they're responding in a similar manner as far as having a good time with it. There's the other thing I want to bring up this movie. Very timeless in his presentation. Like, yes, that's a good that's a good call out. The production design feels very of a specific era, but not one that's necessarily identifiable. It's like, yes, or could have been made in the 80s, could have made in the 70s, could have made in the 90s. The technology being used, there's a lot of phones, but and there are smartphones, but they're not heavily emphasized. Yeah, exactly. You've never seen any screens. You don't see screens. It's similar to it follows in that way where that movie, it's technically modern, but there's no emphasis on the fact that there is technology or whatever that is. No really good call out. No clam cell phone, though. Yeah, no clam cell phone, which would have been hilarious if like at the front desk had a hamburger film, but you know, it's very deliberately non-specific. Yeah. And I tend to like that because I think it will allow movies to have a longer shelf life. I like that it's don't do without saying like 1993. Yeah, exactly. It's just it's just presenting it as is, but not deliberately using things that would put it in a certain way. It doesn't have a giant portrait of Bill Clinton in like half the movie. No, which movie you're talking about here? I don't know. I don't know. They should have just build him for that movie too. It doesn't have characters humming who let the dogs out for no apparent reason. No, but I think like I would pick up on things like that if they were because I'm always like, you know, checking out product placement and everything else. But yeah, I mean, good work by Tillman just to not even bring that to my attention because I didn't even think about that because yes, there are cell phones, but then, you know, there's not really like computers or laptops, though, you know, really. They're all throughout this resort. That's just like very manual, very analog. Yeah, yeah, but then like their hand is handed a key. That's a key. It's not even like a key car or like, yeah, so yeah, really, really good call it. That actually does make it pretty timeless. The cars that they're driving to like their cars are pretty like, you know, they're pretty old or nondescript. Yeah, right. Yeah. So I know you're an expert on French chocolate, so they went to the German out specifically to keep you off their radar. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, one thing I did like about that is like they're speaking German and French and they have a Swiss German accent. So yeah, I mean, even though some of their French was just like, this is definitely not like, you know, a French accent, but this is definitely a Swiss German accent. So get on them because I dig that aspect of just like, yeah, you know, the people within this region, multilingual. Was it a good score in this movie? I saw it a few weeks ago, so the score is not standing out to me. I can't remember. I feel like I feel like it was a good score. I feel like it was solid, but it was really the use of music, like song choices that I thought resonated more especially with how prevalent headphones became and the fact that it seemed to me like Gretchen was probably in a band. Yeah, yeah. In the States and then, you know, she moved and had her bass and stuff. I don't remember thinking the score was great or bad. I think it worked for the movie, but yeah. Yeah, I would say it stands out the same way that other recent horror scores have for me specifically, but I did recall. I do recall like, I was good with it. Yeah, yeah. Well, great. All right. Well, Cuckoo is currently playing in theaters. Why don't you people go and see this movie? Max, why don't you people see Cuckoo? I think if you like core, go see in theaters, for sure. All right, I mean, I would recommend like, you know, theater screening, big pride dollar theater, met nay kind of thing. I like this movie. I think it's a fun audience horror film in a year that taught a lot of like cool horror going on, but this is a fun one. So yeah, I'd say give it a theater, you know, go see it, go see it, go see it, go see it, help neon out because all that long legs money is not good enough for him. And all their Academy Award nominations and it's not really helping them. Yeah, those best picture wins are okay. All right. Well, that's been our review for Cuckoo. Let's move on to our next review. And let's go there now. So joining us now we have from weed of entertainment. He has his own explosive a docket on gets Peter Paris. Hey, hey, Cuckoo is way better than what we're about to talk about. So, well, you don't know what we think yet, Peter. Well, let's talk about that for a sec. I mean, we're going to get to borderlands a second, but and we've just talked about even talking about Cuckoo with Maxwell, but Peter, while you're here before we get into borderlands, what do you think of Cuckoo? I like I like I've seen it twice. I think that as a recall, you're kind of a non spoiler review podcast. So like, I do think that, you know, the last act doesn't it isn't it doesn't all quite come together. But I really think it's pretty fun seeing Hunter Shafer versus Dan Stevens. And this is the first time. Is it Dan or Tillman? What's the director's name? Tillman singer. Yeah. Yeah. Tillman. Like I've never, I didn't see his first movie. I think you told me off podcast. It's on Shutter now. It is. Yes, lose. Yeah. And it's good. It's good. Yeah. Yeah. I like the two, the two single title names, and it's 70 minutes. It's a quick watch. Oh, nice. But I thought, yeah, I thought it was, you know, it was, I feel like, I mean, because I mean, I know we're going to get to border that. I think the quickest thing I could say about it is I, I feel like in the last 10 years, we've gotten really fortunate to have a lot of really good like indie horror movies from, you know, mostly, you know, A24 or neon or Shutter or like a bunch of other ones. And I think the thing that I sort of like about Cuckoo a little more is that, um, while it is about something, it is not as much a metaphor for something as big as a lot of those previous kind of more heavy A24 or neon or whatever movies have been. There's like a funness too. It's really just this isolated teenager and what their experience is and everything. And so I, yeah, I really mean, so what is it like 95 minutes? So it's good. It's good. I mean, and I haven't seen much euphoria. So, but I definitely want to see more Hunter Shafer. I thought she was really good, you know, and I love Dan Stevens, you know, just like he was in Abigail. He's really having kind of think, is that the only two lately where he's a bad guy? Am I forgetting something else? Bad guy, sure. As far as just him being fun and genre movies, he also has the Godzilla. Oh, the Godzilla. Yeah, he's not a bad guy. He's just having fun in a genre. But he's not right. No, you're right. Yeah, I would include that. Yeah, he just, yeah. He's had a fun genre year. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he is. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I liked it. I have no idea what the box office is going to be or what's expected for something like Kuku. But, you know, I hope it does well. It's not going to be long legs. It's not going to be 70 million or whatever. I mean, what is long legs like now? It's a lot, right? It's around 70 million, yeah. Yeah, I mean, and I think long legs is better. But I mean, I, but I like them both. Yeah, great. Well, okay. Let's move on from Kuku. Let's move into our review for Borderlands. Would you look at that? A ladder. Unfortunately, my design doesn't facilitate this type of... Well, Destiny awaits. Legend has it that there's this massive treasure hidden in some secret vault. And if you go hunting for it, you'd better take any help you can get. Because it's on the weirdest, most dangerous dumpster fire from the world in the universe. God, I hate this planet. What is that smell? Pissed wise gully. Ew! Put the window up. I don't watch him! Roll the window up. It's Pete. It's Pete. Why do you think it's called Pisswash? How did it get to me? That should have been some of the trailer for Borderlands. The film is inspired by a wildly popular video game series that has not only led to many sequels and spinoffs, but has also inspired so much cosplay and an embrace of the specific style. A film adaptation seemed inevitable, but it makes a level of sense. Cut to Eli Roth jumping on board a direct with Chernobyl and Last of Us writer and director Craig Mazen developing a screenplay. The film shot back in 2021, and then for various reasons, COVID, Roth's own Thanksgiving. It underwent a series of reshoots led by director Tim Miller of Deadpool theme. And screenwriter Mazen eventually took his name off the project. A Joe Crombie is now listed as the writer, which most assuming is a pseudonym for somebody. All of that said, Bowie has arrived and tells the story of how a group of bounty hunters and a little pyromaniac named Tina came together to form an untraditional family while in search of a mysterious vault on the planet Pandora. Peter, I want to know how familiar are you with the Borderlands games? And what do you think of the movie? I've played every Borderlands game. However, like I think I have. You said that he did, Aaron. I'm pretty sure I've pretty tried to play the ball. I never get the invite to play the Borderlands of Peter. Well, no, no, but I'll say this. But I don't. I think the only Borderlands I finished was Borderlands 2, whereas the other one, I always play it. Yeah, I mean, I play a little. I have a friend who she loves it. And so I would play on line with her, you know, back in the day and stuff. But I mean, I'm not a. Borderlands is a consistent series that I always like, I'm like, Oh, okay, let's see what the new new edition is. But it's not like the Last of Us or Resident Evil for me. It's not like one of my favorites. So, but I guess I think I'm pretty familiar with with the world of Pandora, not James Cameron's Pandora. But yeah, the other Pandora, the stinky one. So what do you think of the film? I thought it was pretty bad. I am not going to sugarcoat it. I mean, I got in the trailer that Borderlands is a very specific. I think the thing for me is that at its best, what Borderlands does as well, the game is it the writing can be not subtle, but it can be consciously obnoxious and stuff. But it's not really as dumb as you might think it is. Like, there's a reason for why character situations or level levels are designed a certain way. But it is it is not at all subtle. And I guess I felt like the movie sort of got the idea of like, it's all obnoxious and crazy. And it's like, yeah, but it's not at least from the version I've seen because you just talked about reshoots and stuff. I think I think the movie is either very generic or also just kind of dumb and like uninspired, you know, whereas the game, yeah, I mean, again, the game is not the subtlest thing in the world. But I mean, when it works, it, you know, it works. I just, it's funny. You say I did not know about the reshoots because what I was thinking of is that someone told me years ago, who might have been one of you guys, I thought I heard me that yes, it was in the no wave as they call them. Yes. That Guardians of the Galaxy was re shot like 60% of it was re shot something you have heard this or someone and you've told me this. Yeah. And I was like, I've remained steadfast being like, I don't know about that much. But all right. But the point being that like, like, I don't love Rogue One. And one of the reasons I don't love Rogue One is it feels, even if I think these new scenes that they added are like solid scenes, I always think Rogue One doesn't feel like a cohesive thing. Guardians of the Galaxy, I think feels pretty cohesive. So I'm always just like, man, I was like, I was like, if it was really re shot a bunch of times, they really cobbled this thing together. This movie does feel like, yeah, man, they probably re shot and did other things and who knows. And now it is just kind of this generic blend. I thought that somebody tweeted how it's like, it's kind of amazing how the movie looks. It looks cheap, but it also has that quality of like, this clearly cost a lot of money. And it was like, was it 110 million or something? It's a wound up to 120 million, yes. Yeah. Like, I mean, they have a look, they have all these sets and they've got like, there's a lot that they made for this movie, but it just, yeah, it just seems so, I kept thinking of that. Is that movie? You guys remember this? Is it Pamela Anderson? Is it Barb wire? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it or tank girl or like, I was the 90s dystopian movies. Yeah. Right. But those movie really didn't have a budget or whatever. Like, you're hoping that they're all kind of mediocre, but you're hoping there's a charm there that you might make it like a cult classic and, yeah, this one, I just, so weird. I also heard that Cape Lynchett, she was shooting this and then she's researching tar. So I think she taught his tar after Borderlands. Yeah. Right. The shot in 2021, and it won't be surprising was tar. I mean, I don't imagine there's a lot of shooting days for that once you do it for that movie. But like, I mean, I just saw a clip, I just saw an interview with Cape Lynch at GQ, you know, they do that. There's a million of these on YouTube where they talk about their roles and, you know, they show her as hella on Thor Ragnarok. And I was like, like, to be honest, that's probably my least favorite part of Thor Ragnarok, but she's still doing the work. It's like, it's kind of a fun character, and it's like, she's she vamps it up well, everything. And in this, I was just like, eh, I was like, it really feels like Cape Lynchett's kind of phoning it in. And I think she's a, she's so, she's a terrific actress. Like, I just, the only one that I think got it is Jack Black, which who knows that's voiceover. Yeah. The idea how many millions of times they kept rewriting that and be like, no, no, no, no, do it this way. But yeah, yeah, Jack Black, he does feel like the clap track in the game. I was like, yeah, he's also a gamer. So like, it's, I could see like, knowing this already to a point and like, yeah, okay, I can do that. I can, I can feel that from him. But I agree with you as far as, yes. There's less at stake for him as an actor to do something like this. It's a weird thing because I'm, I just, in a larger conversation, Aaron, and I often discuss, for some reason, we discuss way too much the 2018 version of Tomb Raider. To be fair, you keep bringing it up. To me, it's a forgettable bad video game movie, not horrible, but one that I'm just like, I saw it, I didn't like it, and I moved on with my life. And you use it as this, like, is this like, this is the basis of comparison for anything. Nobody leaves Peter on an island, Aaron. Yes, exactly. Walton Goggins, come on. Like with Alicia Vikander. There are better mediocre Walton Goggin movies. I mean, that's probably true. But yes, Peter, your point. Well, I mean, my point is like the candor, like you, yes, I'm, I cannot argue mediocreness of the Tomb Raider movie, but Vikander's committed. She's committed in that movie. Like, I mean, you could argue about like, whatever sucks about it. But I was like, there's a scene that, that opens in Tomb Raider, where she's like, there's like a bike messenger chase thing, which is so not like Tomb Raider. And I, that's probably my favorite part of the whole movie. Cause I was like, oh, this is kind of different. And we're seeing, what is Lara Croft? Who is this? And I was like, this is kind of interesting. There's like nothing like that in Borderlands. There's no moment where I was like, oh, that's kind of an interesting thing. Like I, cause I think you would, I think you would grade these about the same. And to me, I'm like, no, Tomb Raider might be mediocre, but there's, there's some stuff there. I'll give you this about Tomb Raider. You talk about that bike scene, to me. The scene. To me, that scene is like Mario Brothers at the beginning when he's like, here's the construct. You have been doing all my Mario moves around before they go into the Mushroom Kingdom, right? So you already have evidence that Mario knows how to jump and duck and dodge and dive and stuff like that. The difference with both movies is in Tomb Raider, she doesn't have to learn how to do that stuff again. Where Mario, it's like, why? Is there a whole monster we have to learn how to do the stuff that the movie already showed us? He knew how to do it. Yet I agree. Cause he's in the Mushroom Kingdom now. He already knows how to do those things. I agree. He doesn't have his family there to eating an Italian dinner, no amount. So I'll give Tomb Raider, Tomb Raider now, yes. He gets a 4.1 over Mario's 4 out of 10. Oh, out of 10? No. Oh, yes, no, they're not four stars. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, we'll say that. I mean, four out of five. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, so Peter didn't like it. What do you think of Borderlands? I have not played any of the games. I'm aware of the games. I'm aware of the artwork that is in the games. So I didn't really know what to expect. And going to this movie, I thought that it was like visually okayish and probably like fine at some parts. But I definitely recognize the mess of it, right? And this is where I think that there's other movies that have done destiny type of stories where somebody's born to be something. And there's also other movies that have done a coalescing of characters that become very familial. And what I kind of walked away from this movie was like, well, it's not like it's unwatchable. But it certainly has like a lot of really cool things that they just really missed out on. Like, you know, when you're thinking about the ways that this story is progressing or like I even because again, I don't know any of these worlds. Like, you know, I'm looking at this world here. There's no world building. Like there are like, you know, populated alleyways. But there's not a whole lot of like, well, this planet is like terrible because of this. Like there's literally like in specific scenes. And I think that the trailer kind of made me think that it was going to be more James Gunny. From the standpoint of like, let's use like a bunch of pop culture music. It's like, this movie doesn't really do a whole ton of that. Like they kind of use like a few tracks here and there. But it's not as though it's like, it's like rip roaring with like, you know, 80s pop punk or where the case might be. But I think in large part, I was kind of just bummed out that I can see why like this was a hot script and why it was like circulating the way that it was. Like back in like 2020 or 2019, probably being like shop around. I was like, this actually could have been something pretty cool, pretty neat. And it could have been a really good story to tell because I think people are playing it up as much as they can in terms of like a video game reference. But it does get off the rails and it kind of lacks a lot of stakes and it lacks a lot of character development and it also just lacks a lot of cohesion from story arc to story arc to story arc. And so it is a bummer because I like that Kate Blanchett look, I guess like the character that she doesn't play. I don't know. It's a great way. It's a great wig. Yeah, a great way. I think from a movie making standpoint, aside from like just all the stuff that I think was maybe a miss from a movie making standpoint, it's just not very dynamic of a movie either. Like it's very boring from the way that you're seeing all this action, the way that even the camera just moves and pans like as they're walking through like all these cool places, you know, it's not very visually interesting, whereas like I think some of some other directors would make it more interesting. I'm not even talking about big-name directors, I'm not talking about like stuff that we've seen recently that is like a little bit smaller in scope, but they've tried things differently from a movement from a camera placement standpoint. But also just from a standpoint of like, let's try to make this like kind of interesting, we're in space, we're like in these worlds that nobody's really seen before. Let's try to make it like super cool. But so yeah, like overall, it is not something that I would tell people to like rush out to go see. Like I don't know how the fidelity is with y'all who have played the games, but I'd be curious to hear that take, but I don't think that it actually misses more than it hits. And it is a shame. I am unfamiliar with the games because I've played most of them. How many are there? Jesus, Peter, how about this one? Oh, there's like, there's like three borderlands. Then there's the tiny Tina one that just came out. Okay. And then there was another one with different games. Because there was, okay. Oh, the prequel? Yeah. Well, no, it was borderlands, borderlands to borderlands to pre-sequel. And then borderlands three. Okay. And then yes, then there's the other ones. There's tiny Tina's wonderland. There's, okay, tales from the borderland, things like. So there's like, there's like several spin-off games. Yeah, there's a lot of it. Like, yeah, it's like, there's like four borderlands too. Yeah, there's like four core games, and then like a bunch of little mini spin-off games as well. So it's like, it's a big enough franchise. And like I said, it's inspired a lot of cosplay because of just the nature of cosplay. Oh, sure. Yeah, I certainly will just have as like the soldier guys because my cousin's friend did that for like Comic Con like a few years back. And I'm like, oh, that's, I don't even know what this is from. It's a mix of like, yes, there's unique costume designs. And also because of the, the, the rotoscoping art design. It has a different look to it. So I think people automatically flop to that. It's like a, you know, a thing that can dress up as or what that. So like, in my eyes, it makes sense to make the same movie because it's like, okay, you can take one of the basic storylines and turn it into something. Have enough leeway to not have to like devote yourself to as like the last of us for say, which is a very specific storyline. Borderland is like, that's an open world kind of game. So you can like take the basics and do something with that. So I was like on board with this as much as I don't get myself excited video game movies because I never need to from a game or standpoint. I'm looking at this here like, okay, like fun cast Eli Roth. Like that seems like there's a recipe there for something. Let's see what this is going to be watching the movie. You know, there's, there's a thing I've been thinking about as far as how instant something ages when you watch a movie as far as how quickly you might have an initial opinion, but then how quickly does it fade away? For example, I think Deadpool Wolverine is fine. Though in the week since it's certainly gone down in my mind. Like the number of issues I have of it are they're not necessarily outweighing the fun that I had with it, but it certainly seems more glaring the more I think about it. This movie I saw on Tuesday. Yes. And by the time we got the weekend, I was already like, this is worse than I thought. I've been thinking about it more, more is like, it really isn't a lot here. I might have been generous in some of the things I was saying about it, the more I like really stuck into it. And it's not surprising. The film is a 10% Ron tomatoes is D plus cinema score. It's like no one's really liking this. Well, I guess the fans don't even like it then. I mean, the fans are barely showing up based on the box. Okay. Now, I mean, I could tell you why it's because it's a bad, it's a bad movie. Like you guys have said, like it, I do think the film is zippy enough, where like Abe, you said it's not unwatchable. I think it has a certain kind of, okay, I can go along with this. But in terms of the pieces it has versus what it is able to put together, this feels like it's because like I was trying so hard to be like, let me try to judge this about thinking of Guardians of the Galaxy. Because obviously that's a game for it. It's hard to not think about that. An August release about a ragtag group of mercenaries that are cool with colorful colors and songs or whatnot, it's like, what else would that be? But it feels like a movie that takes what Guardians did and removes all the hearts and anything that makes that movie what it is, the James Gunnness of it all. It just delivers you the generic, very straight line version of it. And as a result, there's just nothing there. I mean, you have good actors here where they don't really have much to do. We can debate over which ones are stronger than others. But at the end of the day, none of them are going to be like, oh yeah, Borderlands, that was really where my career peaked. Its action is whatever. It's a PG-13 version of an M-rated game. That doesn't mean I needed buckets of war. Oh, this is PG-13? Yes. Yeah, you're right about it, yeah, you're right. But I guess it, because it's like dropping some S-bombs, but I guess there's no F-bombs. But in that sense, much like I was talking about last week Abe with the Rebel Moon director's cuts, it's not that I need the R rating to make it work. You can make a Borderlands movie PG-13, that's fine. But by eliminating that, you need to give the other things that make it exciting in some way. In this movie, for a game that delivers on some crazy gory stuff sometimes, as far as blasting apart enemies or monsters or whatnot, this really doesn't have any of that. And it makes it not stand out in any way when it comes to other sci-fi action movies. Because I've seen plenty of just unimpactful sci-fi movies in that nature. So if you're asked to be like, what's the good stuff in here, it's like, well, what am I reaching to? The production design is fine. I agree with Peter. It does have this ability to look cheap and expensive at the same time, which would be impressive if the stuff they were doing with those locations was impressive also. But it's not. They have various locations. And okay, so they go there, they look nice, I guess, the costume is nice. But it's like, this is like saying you have nice shoes, like whatever. Like, that's great, I guess. You put shoes on fine, but what about the rest of you? And this movie doesn't really have anything else. Air has ever told me I've had nice shoes. You never showed me your legs. Question I got for you, Aaron, because I know you've played the game. One thing I noticed as we near the end of the movie was I was like, wait a minute, I was like, did they consciously keep everybody in the same outfit? Because traditionally in older video games, you didn't have different skins. Like, you know, that's how you identify that Italian flumber. And I was like, you don't have to do this in this. He's got a name, Peter. What? He has a name. Yeah, Mario. I mean, but I don't know, like, did that occurred to me about maybe more than halfway through that I was like, wait, are they literally keeping that wig, that outfit? Because that's what they look like in the game. I mean, I'd argue like, I mean, that's a nothing thing to talk about. But as far as there's not a lot of time that's passing and they're on the run for most of the move. Yes. I just don't blaze it. Kate Blanchett like occasionally takes off layers of her coat. Sure. Yes, she does. But yes, she does. That's true. And she just changes into it now. But I mean, in general, what's her name? Tiny Tina never takes off her bunny ears or what? I mean, like, it, I don't know. I'm not going to be mad at a game or a movie for like resembling the game as much as it wants to do. Like, that's not getting to me. But like, Abe, to answer your question, as far as source fidelity is concerned. Sure. Yes. Like, the biggest thing I took away from the trailer alone was it at least looks like the game. And I could admire that because there's so many films that I don't necessarily need that to be a one to one. But when it comes to video game movies, it's like, well, that's there's a there's more effort I feel like should be put to pleasing the fans than when it comes to like a book or any other things where you can have a little more leeway if you're making a video game movie, it's already redundant because it's like, just play the game. But if you're going to do it, ideally you at least want to satisfy fans of said game. Sure. Yeah. That's that's why Mario, the original one, the 93 then 93 movie wasn't very popular. It's like, what is this? I have I have thoughts on the Mario movie. Yeah, these goopas are not cooping. It's but to me, but it's weird. It's a weird choice to finish the finish up as far as the game goes. The biggest thing about the game is that you have all of these weapons. You have 87 bazillion weapons. That's a big thing in the game. Oh, interesting. It has a generator where basically it takes every, you know, it takes every weapon type, sniper, pistol, machine gun, what have you. And then it can like randomize all the different combinations, whether it's like, this makes more sense of what I'm seeing in the movie. And they do, yeah, they do emphasize to the weapons or what they do. Yeah. I was gonna say they don't. I don't like that. Well, no, it's like, like her gun is different from Roland's gun. There he is. No, that's that's that's assigning a type of weapon to each character. I'm talking about the fact that you spend the game like creating weapons, changing weapons around you. There's never a reference to the idea of what, you know, are they changing? There's never any like emphasis on the weapons themselves. The idea they use them. Now, I get it. It's a movie. I'm not necessarily thinking, oh, I hope they talk a lot about guns. No, it'd be a neat details. It would be it'd be something. Instead, we just kind of role has a machine gun. She has a pistol. Yeah. A big guy has his arms. Revolve is like pretty neat. And I was like, that's a good detail. I didn't know if that was like part of the game. But then you have like the guy who's always like, exchange your guns here. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, oh, I guess that's kind of like the callback to it. And that's about it. Like there's, yeah, that agreed that that guy provides it. Otherwise, it's like nothing really ever happens. Yeah, because at one point, you can see like in the van, it's like exchange your guns here. It's like, oh, so there must be like some weapon that you do. But Aaron, the way you describe it, it's like that actually would be dope. If like, I've got to build like this dope ass sniper bazooka. Yeah, just like any number, but it doesn't really engage in that whatsoever. Also, it's kind of weird that for the first Borderlands movie, and they make a point of doing this where it feels like they think they're being clever, which is I think it is, I think when Lilith gets on the bus, which is the opening of every Borderlands game, you get on that bus and then the guy's like, oh, you're a Vault Hunter and blah, blah, blah. And Caitlyn Lilith is very much like, I'm not a Vault Hunter. I'm a bounty hunter. And I was like, the whole point of the game is that you're Vault Hunters. And it felt weird that the first version of this movie is like, you know, what if, you know, the game's about Vault Hunters? But what if it wasn't? And it's like, why? Why are you doing this? Like, just keep them being Vault Hunter. Like that felt like a weird thing. And they go out of their way to have us as the audience know that they're not. And it seemed, I don't know why. Like, I just seemed dumb. I have a question for you guys. Yeah, I can understand making an arc out of it, as far as what they're going for. I get like, I get the logic of if we're making a movie, we need to like give more of a structure to what this character's supposed to be. Yeah. So they got to start out being reluctant to go on this kind of security and then progress to doing it for reasons. I could agree with you as far as why all of them couldn't be Vault Hunter, you know, you can make some of them Vault Hunters, I guess. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. I didn't think about that. Yeah. I have a question for you guys. Again, this is all revolving around the games and whatever other mechanics of the games. But does this storyline exist in the game? To a point. It's kind of funny you say that. Again, non-spoilery, but the first act of the movie introduces something that was completely opposite of the lore. And I was like, wait, what? This character's not that. By the time you get to the end of the movie, they basically do correct everything. I'm like, oh, yeah, that character is that. And that's why it's going to happen. So they, yes, sort of stick to, would you say, Aaron? Yeah. I would say, again, if you're adapting Borderlands, because it's such a big world and there's so many entries of the game, I think there's ways to pick and choose stuff to make a story out of it. So that's kind of what I'm driving into, which is like, do they stick to one thing or do they like try to incorporate many things? It's the most mix of, I think, one and two. I think that's what I can recall. That's what they're curping on, because if they're going to make a franchise, they would do more. It's like there's a character called Handsome Jack that's not in this at all. Right, who's a great character? He's such a great bad guy. I can't believe they didn't do that. Instead, they go with Edgar Rivera's as Atlas. And Edgar Rivera's, who I typically like, I think is terrible at this point. Yeah, I think he's really bad. So that guy is like a real character in the game, though, Atlas. There's an Atlas corporate. Is Atlas a character? No, I thought it was just a corporation. There's a corporation called Atlas. Okay, got it. Got it, yeah. But not using Handsome Jack felt very much that, was it Christopher Nolan or somebody said that thing of like, when you make a movie, you got to put everything in it. You can't be like, I'm going to keep that for part two. Because I was like, he's the main bad guy. I can, I mean, I agree with you. I can see them using that for part two, where this would be not to be such a cluster. Right. But it's, but that is a bummer. Because you mentioned like main bad guy. And it's like, oh, that sucks that I'm never going to see this guy. But because this move, and I wonder again, what the reshoots led to or what, like what they had going on. Because I mean, yeah, if you want to talk about like, is it evidence that there's reshoots? Yes, like Peter, I can understand not knowing this. But at the same time, the one thing I know about the Borderlands movie is that it's been heavily re-shot over the past three years. Sure. Yeah. There's been heavy pipeline. There's all kinds of problems. Because Eli Roth went on to make Thanksgiving. And it's like, I don't have time to do both things like. And then Tim Miller came out like that's, that was the biggest news story about Borderlands, the fact that it's been such a, a, a, a, a rupturous. As a person who hasn't, I don't mind, there's a lot of Eli Roth stuff I like. Just curious. I never saw Thanksgiving. Is that a more cohesive movie? It's a cohesive movie. Gonna have to ask Aaron. I re-watched it this week. Oh, in preparation. I watched it after because I forgot to watch it before, but it doesn't, it doesn't matter. Yeah. They're so different movies. Right. I'll put it this way. I think it's fine. It has an 84% on Rod's videos. Like people like Thanksgiving. It was a, they've made money. They're making a sequel. Like, I, I think it's about as good as a Thanksgiving movie could be. Yeah. I think, I think the trailer is better from Grindhouse. Oh, that trailer is great. Yeah. And my, my, my main issue of Thanksgiving was Eli Roth's taught was, this movie is a version, is, is a remake of a version that was banned because of how crazy it was. That was his logic for why this Thanksgiving seems more serious than the Grindhouse trailer. The idea, the idea he has is a movie based on the Thanksgiving trailer exists. And it was so wild that people, like the copies were burned. And so he, and so this Thanksgiving is a remake of that movie. And it's more, more like a screen type grounded in reality horror film. That's it. I think it's fine. I, I saw it back and think back around things even when it came out. And I wasn't huge on it. I, I re-watched it because I was also, I was quite tired when I saw it at the time. That does affect viewing. It can. And I re-watched it this time. I'm like, it's fine. Like it's, it's, it does, but again, other people like it a lot more than I do. So yeah. All right. Well, I have more questions for you guys. Yeah. Are all the characters that we see here in this movie playable characters or they, or are they just people that you interact with? Are you a singular character in the, in the scene? You can't, you can't be the, the psycho guys. Yeah. You can't be craig who's played by a green twos for in Montana. Yeah, correct. Yeah. Um, but you can, every other one, okay, there's two, two games. You can't be tiny Tina. You can't, okay. You can't be tiny Tina, but Abe, Taz, your question, you can, you have, you generally have four characters to select from when you start the game. Okay. Yeah. One of them is Lilith and at least a couple of the games, right? Yeah. Um, Roland is one. Instead of craig, there's like, uh, there's always like a big bruiser character. Yeah. I think what they did was because that's just a recognizable thing. They wanted to have that like, in every scene. It's like, yeah, let's get one of these mask guys. I can, I, that's fine. Um, you can't play his clap trap. That's always just like around you. Is that the machine yet? He's your, that's, that's Jack Black. He's your help. He's the, uh, tutorial character. He's the one who produces a game and everything. Yeah. Like, got it. Okay. So like this, this movie has basically three characters that like, with the, you know, one that has a mask on, but it's a chair. There's a guy. So like, yes, it's, they're all, it's all a spotlight. Like even, even Jamie Lee Curtis's character, Tanis is in the game. Mad Moxie, Gina Gershan's character is in the game. Oh, yeah. Right. It's not creating too much, which I also appreciate. It's not, yeah, I agree. It's not like Mortal Kombat where it's like, you know, this roster of 30 characters? Here's this new guy. Wait a minute. Why did Red Dog get introduced here? Can I get you? But it's cool that, that there's fidelity there then, at least for these characters. I can't like, they're abilities. I mean, I guess too. There are more abilities. There are four more abilities every character, because that's what that's the goal. That's the joy of selecting a different character, right? Because like somehow, depending on who you are, they have different abilities that make it. Yeah. So the reason why I bring this up is because when I was watching this movie, I also thought about the remakes of Jumanji, because Kevin Hart is in them too, but also the way that they had set up, the way that the game works. And Jumanji is obviously a fake game and a fake video game, depending on tropes. Yeah, but at least it like set up the exposition in a way that was like, this is fun for me to find out that I can look at this screen above the rock's head. It'd be like, your strengths are like maps and reading and strength, but your weaknesses are being afraid of like cheetahs or whatever. And it's like, this is fun. This is interactive. This is pretty neat. Obviously this game has like, or this movie in itself with Eli Roth. Different feel, different story. Probably trying to go for a little bit more of like a serious tone, some degree. But I did think about that just because I was like, I don't know who these characters are. And they look like they're characters in the game. But I also don't know like what their strengths are. And that kind of like helped, like, we talked about the Mario thing too. It's like, well, he's works in construction in real life. And he does know how to like go through pipes and shit. I'm like, well, I guess Kevin Hart is like a special ops operative who is pretty straight, you know. Here's my other issue with the movie. Your, your budget of these characters, then we don't know their things and stuff because they don't really give us a heads up on it ahead of time. By the end of the movie, I still don't know who these characters are. Exactly. Yeah. I think it's not a matter of miscasting. I mean, I mean, I don't think anyone's like, fundamentally wrong for these roles. But the stuff they give them is nothing. Like, Pete, you already mentioned Kate Blanchett. And like, I don't necessarily think she's phoning it in, but I don't think the script is doing her any favors. I think she's putting in about as much effort as she can, giving them, giving them the material that's offered to her. And the direction given to her. Kevin Hart on the other hand, I mean... Is the game character like a pretty serious guy? I mean, the game's not serious itself. Like that's... Because he's playing it straight. He is. That's what that's the issue. Yeah, Roland is kind of a straight character. He is, but I mean, Kevin Hart knows how... You can be funny without being funny. Like, there's ways to do that. And he's just not. He's very specifically choosing to play these straightest of arrows. Yeah. And it's like, why? What do I get out of this? Like, in a world where everything's like crazy and topsy-turvy, you're being like a straight guy. And I'm not sure if that's a matter of Eli Roth said, "This will be fun and play against type." Or Kevin Hart's like, "I want to not be funny. I want to be an action guy." Yeah, exactly. Which is likely more of the case. Because he's got to prove himself. And as a result, he's just a nothing of a character. Like, if you remove him from this movie, it's not much to change his... Like, Krieg is fine. Because he doesn't have much to do. But at the same time, when I only think of, like, dracks or grutes, I know what their thing is. I get what their story is. This guy says, "I'm crazy for the sake of being crazy." That's it. But he's got a heart because he cares for Tina. Why? He enters this movie. They were tortured together in the prison. We don't know that. All I know is he was making it up. He was in a prison cell. He was in a prison cell for being a psycho. And now he's just not a psycho. Sure. Why? Yeah, it's weird. Also, Ariana Greenblatt. And she's the daughter and Barbie, right? She's America for her daughter. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, she's definitely got moments where I'm like, oh, she's basically... She's doing a version of Tina, Tiny Tina from the game. But again, it also still feels weird. Her whole "I'm special" thing. I was like, where is this coming from? It's like, I don't like... Standard plot bullshit. Where it's like... When it goes to just straight up irreverence. That's fun. Like, she's doing the thing. She's throwing bombs around. Yeah, close one. But when the film's like, now let's take five minutes to talk about our feelings. Not against that in a good movie. But in this movie, it's just like... It doesn't work. It just feels so requisite. Yeah, exactly. It's the standard. It's in beats. And let's get them to bond a little bit. There's nothing there that glues me in beyond generic writing. Yeah. I know that like... It doesn't feel like you're conjoining a bunch of sentences together. Like, not Ariana, but like the script is. And it's like, yeah, it doesn't work. Yeah, I... Well, you said this thing earlier about, um, oh, you know, they don't really dive into the guns. And you're like, well, like I get why you can't do too much. But I was like, well, technically. And it's another game. You know, well, no, it was a show. But like, fallout, way better show. Way better show than this is a movie or whatever. They did have a fun moment where, um, is it Lucy? Lucy talks about basically her stats. And I was like, oh, that's kind of funny. Because that's like, that is what you do in an RPG. Or whatever. Like, I mean, it's like, they could have done something. Oh, they could have. Like, there's ways to handle it. Yeah, I mean... I can understand a studio being like, we can't have like, you know, 10 minutes on characters talking nuts to that. Nothing but guns. Sure. Yeah, I understand that. I get the logic of that. But I didn't think there's ways to dance around it. Fallout... If you want to talk about something that yuck gets yum, Fallout certainly came and like, did this way better. Yeah. Oh, damn it was like months ago. I mean, do you guys know if Eli Roth is he a big fan of Borderlands? That's why he wanted to take on the project? I don't know him as a gamer. And I know him for a lot of things, but I don't know him as a game. Because you talked about Fallout and it's like, I know the people were like, well, this guy that directed it is in a gamer. But he did a ton of research. And then when he started doing his interview, people were like, oh, he gets the game. You know what I mean? I mean, like I said, the writer was Craig Mason, who did he's done both Chernobyl and Last of Us of the game. But also, he, what, wrote Hangover? I mean, like, he's all, you know, clearly the guy knows how to do research. But also, he took his name off this thing. Exactly. Well, I have another question for you guys, which is when you guys were watching this movie, did they go to the, like, did you guys for two things? One of them was like the sets. Like, did they go to places where you're like, oh, that's cool. I'm glad that I got the visualization of like this, this wasteland oasis and like the little markets that they have there where you can buy, like, cool little chickens and stuff. That's a just deliberately poke at another movie. But this movie does more with wasteland visuals than Deadpool and Wolverine does. So it has that. Yeah, I guess that's fair. And actually, when they're driving around, and there's a lot of these, like, it's a desert area, and there's a lot of these things jutting out of the earth, that is what the game, yes, it is a lot like that, because there's things that those are like ramps that you could. So, yeah. And there's like a driving component to the game. Oh, yeah, because you have to, it's a big open world and you're on this, you're only on this planet. Like, you don't go anywhere else, you're just on. That makes sense now. And so you have to constantly travel. Sometimes you can fast travel, or you can just like use a portal to get yourself in here. But yes, there's a lot of getting a car drive to this location, doing objective kind of stuff. And within that, there's usually some objectives and random monsters that come out of the place and they match you and stuff. And the movie, it does feel like every time I see one, it feels like I'm counting the budget where it's like, there's one, there's a little flying creature. There's a random-- Well, that was a nice little Easter egg for you guys to see then. It's like, hey, there's like-- To a point, but it also feels-- There's like a dragon that impales people like with its tail or whatever. But that's where that like cheap and expensive thing looks like, where it's like-- Where's Peter's comment, though, I guess, but-- You know what's weird is that like this world? I'm wondering though, because like, we're seeing like Abe's reaction, who seems like the least offended of the three of us and didn't play the game. Probably why, yeah. Well, because you know what I was going to say? It's a bad movie still, but yeah. Yeah, right, but I mean, much smaller budget, but I never played Five Nights at Freddy, but oh my god, that opening, it makes so much money in that opening. And it's basically, it's fine. It's just, it is what it is. It's a media, but like, I mean, I got to say, I appreciate it in the scale of mediocrity. I appreciate that more than I do Borderlands, but I didn't really play Friday nights at Freddy's. So-- No, that's actually a good cop, 'cause I think even when we were talking about Five Nights at Freddy's, I think one of the criticisms that I had with it, which is I'm familiar with the game and the games, multiple, plural, and the world that it has, but I think the parts that I was like, why are they even giving me back story about like, you know, Josh, Hutcherson character, because like, I don't care about this shit. I just want to see like, you know, scary ass like-- It does stack a lot of stuff on top of what's already a short movie, because I feel like it takes forever to do anything. Yeah, I mean, it really takes forever to get to that fifth night. I mean, we're all just-- Yeah, exactly, yeah. I mean, while-- Meanwhile, it's like, yeah, tragic back story. (laughing) I was like, did I not sign up-- Did you be like the haunted pizza parlor? Yeah, did I not sign up for animatronic action? Like, what's happening? Do you think that you just think that like, the people who were involved, very like, I know that one of the main guys, I forgot what his name is. Oh, Markiplier, right? A lot of people on TikTok and YouTube who like, really love Five Nights at Freddy's. Sure. They were kind of sort of connected. So I think that they hyped up the movie of Five Nights at Freddy's, so that when it opened that weekend, all those people really went to go see it, whether or not it was a cool movie. Yeah, and I can give it this, like that movie, Regardless of Quality, it does bring in a lot of what I assume is the lore of those games, 'cause there's a lot of world in those many Five Nights at Freddy's games. By comparison to Borderlands, this just feels like it shortcuts and rushes its way through so much stuff. By the end of the movie-- Short cuts is a really good description. By the end of this movie, the third act feels so rushed as far as everything it's trying to do where it's like, okay, now they're all in one location at once, there's a shit left for some reason, we don't really care. And then they go to the thing, only some of them do, why some of them, I don't know who cares. (all laughing) And they immediately solve that problem, leave that area. But yeah, this is like where I'll say about like, and then cut to everyone celebrating fireworks in the air. It's like, what are they celebrating? Was this a thing? - Isn't this world like a doggy dog world? Like, why are they celebrating? I agree. - Did the world get saved? - But also, is there a news that led to CEO crushed? - Yeah, I don't even know what like, what Edgar Ramirez's character was like going for, you know what I mean? - I mean, to me, that's the stakes here though. - That was a big part that I feel like the game really nails, like that they sort of hint at in the beginning where they basically say something like, oh, that's right. 'Cause they have Cait Blanchett who's doing a V.O., which makes me go, oh, she did the V.O. And when you go to the rings or whatever, like, and there's a apartment where they show Pandora, and then you show all these sponsors, all these companies that like basically popped up. The whole like satire on consumerism is a huge thing in where it ends the game. And it's like barely there. I was like, you can totally do that in a movie. Like, why would you not do that? Like that, yeah, it was weird. - That's where I wonder what the rewrites and reshoots did. If it like minimized stuff, or I don't know what, I don't know what the, but like it, 'cause it feels honestly like a suicide squad situation where you have, there's a version of it, right? Yeah, the terrible movie, yes. (laughing) The one that suffered heavy reshoots and was edited by the same people that did the trailer 'cause that almost sense. (laughing) That's what I get here, this kind of mishmash of ideas where for a movie that's supposed to be about a reverence like the game is, it's very serious about things. Like it does take the whole story like more serious than I thought it would, but it doesn't add up too much, so they don't care about it. I don't care about these characters, I don't care about the goals. - Yeah, it didn't really-- - Nothing's presented in a way that makes me-- - Filled enough for me to care. - And like, it's fortunately only 100 minutes, that's nice I guess, but it came at a cost of, we cut out all the stuff that would make me care about this movie. - Yeah, I have a question for you guys, which is, was there any cool Easter egg 'cause I don't know if they're in a cavern at one point and they're like, well, the people that are on top are the crazies, the ones below where I forget what they call 'em, but then they're making the way through the dark part of an area and it's like, oh, there's like cool guys who are like green eyes, I wonder if this is like a real thing that when you play the game, you're like, oh shit, this is scary. - Yeah, I mean-- - It was never an enemy types, but I mean, it's nothing. - I do remember the big, one of the big all-terrain vehicles looks exactly like the vehicle in the game and I was like, oh, that's cool. Like, I mean, yeah. - And there was nothing that like, when they showed that thing, I'm like, oh yeah, like, that never occurred to me. There's plenty of stuff, there's plenty of stuff throughout where I'm like, I get it, I see what they're doing here, but that's nice to see. But nothing that ever like, really hooked me. Now, if I was a bigger Borderlands fan, perhaps, but for me personally, no, I just didn't like-- - I will say this. - You're like, oh, okay, I get it. - One thing that didn't bother me, but I've seen that some people have complained and I'm hoping it's not like, I will say, the person who I wrote with, who wrote this criticism was a woman, so I was like, okay, I don't think this is like a misogynist thing, but like, I did hear that there is some criticism that they're like, why is Jamie Lee Curtis and Caitlyn Chet basically playing these characters that in the game are like 22? And I was like, well, I guess it's true, but it's because it's Caitlyn Chet, and that's why it's, I mean, I didn't care. - Of the compliments I have about this, it's this is a $100 million sci-fi studio film that features Caitlyn Chet, Jamie Lee Curtis, and Gina Gersh on as like significant characters. - Yeah, sure. - You don't get over 50 women in action movies like this on a regular basis, so like that's nice to see. Like, I, you know, I don't know. - And again, like, it's not like they have Kevin Hart an area on a green black right next to him, it's like, what are you not getting out of this, I don't know. - But I also think back to like what we were talking about with some of the early stuff and Caitlyn Chet being a part of this movie, it's like, there had to have been something that drew her to the script or her agent or whoever. - I assume she likes Roth. I mean, they work together in house with the clock in their walls, which is arguably Roth's best movie. - Sure. - And I assume they just got along. I mean, why else, that's the main reason I could think that shoots side. - Yeah, but again, like, there are like little cool, like little sparkly gems in the script that they just don't really expand on. And that is, I could see where it maybe like some original scripts had a more like, cohesive and singular storyline versus this one, just has like a lot of, feels like a lot of competing ones. - I mean, give Krieg anything to say as far as why is he this way. - Does he ever say anything? - I mean, the craziest ever say anything to say. - He's just modern. - Yeah, yeah, he just, yeah, it's the, Kevin Hart is a, what, an ex member of this soldier group? Why, why is he ex? - But also like, what, if he was like chasing him like, you know. - At Janae, a gumming car, like. - Yeah, he's like, ex lover, I guess. And then like, she is just like. - They have to say something, and she's there. - And she also has like a character for whatever reason too. - That's the most evident part of the film being like, we clearly had more scenes of them and we deleted all of them. - Yeah. - They clearly interacted away where it's like, and we cut those scenes. - Yeah. - Like right there. - Yeah, from a technical aspect, again, Peter, you're right, that maybe like the Jackpot things were easier 'cause it's all just like voice of work. But you know, we talked about this with Madam Webb too. It's like a lot of ADR in this movie as well. Like, some shots were like back in the shot, back in the head, it's like, ADR fade to black, go to the next scene. It's like, what is happening here? - I think I'd rather watch Madam Webb again. I mean. - From like a fun perspective. Like let's talk about the movie. - That's not great either. Like I just, I don't. - All good. - I've seen Madam Webb twice. - No. - You're the one. - Yeah, you're the one. - It was on Netflix. I'm like, let me just throw this on the background. And it's like, oh boy, this is worse than I remember. - Sure. - It's bad. - I think, I will say this though. Like, you know, it made me like go to my letter box and like just off the top of my head quickly put together like a ranking of like video game movie, live action. So I'm not including Super Mario Brothers are the new one. Live action, video game adaptations. And, you know, once again, and I'm sure you just brought this up with Jumanji. I mean, once again, if we're just talking movies, not TV series, it just, there's just so many better things like Jumanji, Wreck It Ralph or whatever where there, or Scott Pilgrim where- - That's a whole other list. - They're inspired by video game logic or whatever, but they're just way better than these adaptations still are. Like, I mean, it's, I like, I mean, I like the first Resident Evil. I like the first Mortal Kombat. I like this fun, but like, yeah, man, like I, it's weird, it's weird that I don't hate, I don't hate Uncharted. Aaron always gives me shit that I even like Uncharted a little. But I mean, to me, Uncharted- - Bart Warburg, is that all over the place, Sully? - Well, we're right, yeah. - I mean, there's- - Yeah, I mean, the thing about Uncharted- - I like mustache. - I do feel that like a lot of the things that video games are good at work better as long form. So it makes sense that it's like the last of us in Fallout are better as a series, but Uncharted, which is basically a, you know, Raiders of the Lost Ark, that should work as a two hour action adventure movie. It's, it's okay, I don't hate it. - Yeah, yeah, I've seen it. It's called Indiana Jones, One Through Five. (laughing) - I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I mean- - I'm aware that they can make those movies, they made them and then they made games in homage to those movies. - They did! - So the idea of making those games a movie is redundant. - Yeah. - And if you're gonna do something that that's that, that's that redundant, you better make it good. And not just- (laughing) - I still, one remaining question for me, which is, was there anything in this where it's like, this is actually a lift from the game. You know, we talked about Tomb Raider earlier and there's like a plain sequence that, that Alicia Vikander has, which is a lift from the game where she's in a river and you had to escape a plane before like- - Oh, that's so much the game. There's a lot in that that's from the game. - Yeah, but does Borderlands have anything that- - Oh, I mean, the power, there's a scene, I don't wanna give away who's power it is, but there's a scene where they seem to teleport Nightcrawler style. Yeah, that's in the game. That's a game. - Oh, cool. - Specifically from an elevator though? - No, no, no, no, no. - Not up, but just the use of the power. - I was like, oh, that's a power. I was like, that makes it, yeah. But no like direct lifts from AC in the game. - I mean, this, the Tiny Tina's entire purpose is to be like annoying and throw bombs at you. So I mean, she does that. - She achieved that. - Yeah, and Tiny Tina's base where you find her, it's kind of like- - It's very similar to that, yeah. - Yeah, it's pretty similar. Like, yeah, it's kind of what it's like. Like, yeah, I mean, the kids think it's not like, it's not like a- - Well, you mentioned it over World too. - It's open to what exactly that's what I'm saying. It's not like a Last of Us or Uncharted where there are specific set pieces that they've won for one, you're recreated. But in terms of lifting the kinds of stuff you're doing in Borderlands, it is doing that, just doing it poorly. - Yeah, Bobber, okay. - Yeah, it's really just, I don't know, I just, I, I mean, look, it's, I mean, they're really, somebody was saying the other day that like, do we not live in a world anymore where like, it used to be that movies come out in certain months that they think are gonna do well. So like, you don't wanna be, if your movie comes out in January, probably not a good idea. And I was like, well, I don't, sometimes I think it's true, sometimes I think it's not true. I mean, I hope Alien Romulus is really good. And that's coming out, you know, next week. But part of Borderlands being mediocre to me is very much like, well, yeah, it's coming out in August. It's like, what did I think this is gonna be? You know, so- - Well, it's coming out at the beginning of August, which is where both of the first suicide squad and guarding the galaxy made shit tons of money. So I mean, it's coming out at the right time. - It was like, I was terrible. - Oh, but you're saying- - It's late. - Exactly what you're talking about. - Right. - You made a shit ton of money at those release dates. It's very much trying to do that thing. Look at this colorful band of people and they've done a bunch of cast members. It's a reference, it's fun, right? Go see it just like you saw those other movies that are just like it. - I would rather watch Borderlands than the first suicide squad again. - That's fair. - Okay. - And that's one of the worst movies I've seen in a decade. That was really bad. That's a pretty- - Remember when Adam Beach had like, you know, two minutes of screen time? - He, he could climb anything. (laughing) - Anything. - Anything. He went on that whole press tour. - I got a question. I have not seen the Rebel Moon director's cut, but I've heard it's R-rated, right? It's way more violent and everything- - It's very R-rated, yes. - So when I watched Rebel Moon, I was very aware that the violence was like trimmed, where I was just like, well, this clearly, why are these scenes feel truncated? I sort of felt that way in Borderlands. Do you think there's a cut of Borderlands where it is very bloody and violent and stuff? And then they just, or you think, no, they just, that's the way they shot it. Like it's- - I will say, I was surprised when they revealed it was PG-13 'cause I'm like, this is Lionsgate. It's a studio that does John Wicks and Expendables. I could see them being like, we don't need to be like Disney or Warner Brothers. We can make it R-rated video game movie. And then it wasn't. I think there's certainly room. There's a lot of edits in this thing that convey the idea that you could, there's probably extra beats where people take hits and fall down and whatnot and maybe there's blood. So like, does that cut exist? I don't know. Did they shoot it with the possible intention of being R? - Possible. - It's Eli Roth in a Lionsgate movie. - That's right. - And it's like, I don't know if that was one of the many compromises they made when they're like, this thing sucks. So at least let's cut it to the bone and make it PG-13. So more people will see how much it sucks. - Uh-huh. (laughing) - Is there any saving grace from this movie that year's like, okay, well, yeah, I think you guys mentioned the Whigs. - Jack Black. - Oh, okay. - Jack Black is fun. I think Jack Black is exactly what you're thinking, right? - He does clap trap justice. - Yeah, he does. - I think that, did you like Jack Black, Abe? I mean, does it just be watching this? - I mean, like, if the robot is supposed to be like, kind of annoying, but hilarious, but also like helpful at the time time. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Then things exactly. - If you found him entertaining, that's the goal. And I found him entertaining. - I liked it when it's like, my, I'm actually, I actually don't really like you. I'm just programed to, to help you. And I hope that you do die so that I can stop having to help you. - Yeah, I like that, yeah. - See, this is fun, but yeah. - And that conveys a better movie, I think, when it's like leans into that stuff. - Got it. Okay. - Well, Borderlands is currently bombing in theaters, but it is theaters in IMAX. Peter, why do people go and see Borderlands? I mean, I really hope people have more things to do with their life, but what is the Lionsgate? Will that, does that go to Netflix usually? Trying to think, does John Winkle to those moves go? - It depends. Stars is pretty big with them, but it'll eventually go to Netflix, probably. - I mean, I, look, I'm always hoping that some bad movie finds an audience and that I look at it 10 years later, I'm like, ah, it's a, it's kind of charming. It's a, you know, it's of its era now or whatever. I don't know. But no, no, I definitely don't think it's, I have a friend of mine who, she loves Jack Black, and she was like, oh, I can't wait to see Borderlands and I was like, do not spend money on Borderlands. You do not need to see this in theaters or whatever. Like so, yeah, I mean, I guess just wait 'til it's on streaming, I guess. Watch it late at night or something, I don't know. - Hey. Yeah, this is, this is not a theater movie. This is not a premium VOD movie or a premium streaming movie. Like it definitely, back when we had basic cable and it would come on like a TBS or something that you should wait for that. - Oh yeah, this is a, you turned on TNT and it's already 20 minutes in. You're like, I guess I can see the rest of this. - Right. - Yeah, with the martial breaks. - Yeah, this is, yeah, this is a one to race out in any mean. What's like, which is a show like that? - I'll say that's, I am, I agree with Aaron that I am not a fan of "The Razzies" and I don't do a worse movie of the year. I really don't love, I don't love taking joy out of knowing so many people worked hard. - Yeah, exactly. Having said that, like, I mean, I don't want to do this, but it did make, this movie did make me be like, wait, what were the worst movies I've seen? Was this the worst movie? And so I had to like look at my list. I was like, okay, Garfield, Madam Web or whatever. And then so I was like, he's-- - Tell his father, Peter. - Right. - Dare you not have a heart. (laughing) Samuel Jackson left his son for a reason. - I will say, you seemed more depressed by "Despicable Me" for though. - Yeah. - That was bad. - You seemed pretty depressed by that one. - I was really bummed out, which is where, 'cause I don't even love the "Despicable Me" movies, but I couldn't believe how, yeah, that was pretty bad. That might be worse, yeah. But yeah, again, I don't take joy 'cause I know a lot of people worked really hard on all these things, but I'm just surprised in how much movie with Kate Blanchett and all these people, and I'm like, I never need to see that again. Like, that's kind of depressing to me, you know? - Well, Peter, thank you very much for joining us. - Thank you, Peter. - Yeah, yeah. - We're gonna be able to find more of you online. - I write for WeLive Entertainment.com, and then on my socials, I'm Pajamo with an O, like Pajamas. - All right, Peter, thank you. Once again, we look forward to having you back on here soon. - Yeah, thanks guys, I love being on. - Yeah. All right, so we've got through our review of Cuckoo. We've got through our review of "Word to Lands Now." It's time for eight, what time is it over here? - Time for a good game here. (bell ringing) - Let her know in fact, Maxwell, when you rent out the love nest, that's actually the tune that plays when you open the door. - That makes so much sense. - Yeah, and then they're like, Aaron, no, we can't pay you for that. And it's like, oh, another paycheck love. (laughing) - That's what happens. - Yeah, I've got a game for you guys this week. I'm calling it "Birds of a Feather," but this is basically on a scale of run tomatoes edition. This is where I will name you a movie, and you will tell me what you think its run tomato critic score is. And you know, the theme here is just, I'm just gonna tell you, this is all just bird movies. (laughing) 'Cause otherwise, you'd be like, oh, you're gonna figure it out. - Birds of a feather is a pretty good game day. I like that quite a bit. I like that a lot. - But, well, the first one here, Maxwell, since you're our guest, the Maltese Falcon. What do you think rotten tomato score is for the Maltese Falcon with Humphrey? - 94. - 94. - Aaron, I'll just say flat out 100. - It's 99. - Mmm. - So closer. - Aaron, you get that point with being just-- - Oh, we're not playing Price's right rules? - Yeah, we're not playing over. - Okay. - The fine. - Closest to Aaron, next one, "Black Swan." - Black Swan. - Aaron Afsky, Oscar winner. - How high would that, let's see. - Okay, tomatoes. - Okay, tomatoes. - Yeah, "Black Swan," I will say 87. - 87, all right, Maxwell? - I will say 86. - Maxwell, you get it, it's 85. (laughing) - Yeah, boy. - Donate the player, hate the game. - Exactly. (laughing) - The next one here, Maxwell, for you, what do you think "Chicken Run" has as it's run at a tomato score? - We're talking about the original, not the-- - Original chicken run, yeah, yeah, original chicken run. - Oh, wow. - Not the one starring Herod of the Purple Clearons, is that really a lie? - No, no, no, no. - I'm gonna go like, gosh, 96? - 96, what about you, Aaron? - I think reviews are strong for it, but I'll go a little bit lower, I'll say 91. - 91, it is 97. - Wow. - So, Maxwell, you get that one. The next one here, Aaron. The crow, Rayna leaves the crow. - Thank you, this is-- - Yeah, not the one that we might be talking about in like a week. - Nor is it the crow, the crow two. - No, not yet, another-- - A city of angels, or the crow three. - I'm with David Boryan as, and Edward for a long. - Terminator two is Amber Phillip. - Okay, the first crow. - The first crow, Brandon Lee. - I think movies like well enough, but again, does that go like super high? I don't think he does. I'm gonna say 78. - 78, Maxwell. - Wanna go like 83? - It is 86, Maxwell, what's the game? - What's the crow? - Let's go. - Right, I love the, man, that movie's great. - I was surprised. I didn't think that it was gonna be 86% on Rotten Tomatoes. - I thought it'd be a little lower. - Kind of. - I'm Maxwell. - The thing about older movies on Rotten Tomatoes is it's not necessarily reflective of the critical-- - Yeah, there's some re-analysis that goes on. More reviews get submitted over time and whatnot. - Yeah. - The next one here, March of the Penguins documentary feature. - Me? - Yeah, Maxwell, March of the Penguins. - 91. - 91. Aaron? - I think it could be higher. Like, that's the one where it's like, who's saying bad things about it. - I mean, people are just like, ah, not no penguins. - It's a lot of penguins. - Yeah, they're right about Morgan Freeman. - 95. - 95, the answer is 94. So Aaron, yeah, I'm gonna get that one. The next one here. And so they watched Pelican brief. - Aaron, what do you think the Pelican brief got? - The Pelican brief. - That was another game I was thinking of, like, Onomatopoeia games, but I was like, ah, not enough of them. - What bird sounds like this? - I'll make that game, babe. Don't worry. - Don't sit on a challenge that you don't think I could match. - Is that a big ending, Maxwell? - I'll make an Onomatopoe game. - It was a New York pigeon. - The New York pigeon. - The Pelican brief. - Pelican brief. Grisham. Denzel. Roberts. Don't kiss. Racism. - Yeah. - Let's see here. (laughing) - Yikes. - Nailed it. - I'm gonna say 86. - 86, Maxwell, what do you think? - Oh God, I'm gonna go more like 60. - 60, Maxwell, the answer. 55. - Oh wow, people didn't go like Grisham. - I'm surprised by that too. I was like, oh, I thought it was a little bit better. - It's not that good. - Yeah, it's a better movie. I mean, it's fine. - Yeah, I watched, I watched every-- - It's no the firm. - I watched every Denzel movie during like the first few weeks of lockdown. - Yeah. - It's not that good. - Oh, I'm sorry you had to watch John Q. - Hey man, the American health care system is a mess. (laughing) Maxwell, the next one here for you. Red Sparrow. - Jennifer Lawrence. - Jennifer Lawrence, Russian spy thriller. - Oh my God, I mean, I hated, uh... 45, okay, I'm biased, but... - Aaron, what do you think? - That's a pretty good guess. I guess I'll go a little higher, I'll say 55. - 55, Maxwell, it is exactly 45. - Whoa. - Oh, that shit. - I wanted to go lower 'cause I really didn't, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, okay. - Just a few more here. Aaron, the Mighty Ducks. Where the mumbays, the Mighty Ducks. - Quack, quack, quack, quack. - Yeah, the Mighty Ducks. - I'm gonna say a whopping 32%. - 32, Maxwell, what do you think the Mighty Ducks says? - In my heart, it has a 95. - Exactly. - What did Aaron say? - He said 32. - Okay, I'm gonna go like 28. - Sad, sad, but true. It is 23% unruned. - It's lower. - Oh my God. - Oh, it hurts my numbers. - That's too low. - It is a great movie, I don't care. - It's okay. - Yeah. - I think she's better. - Yeah, the second one is better, I agree. - Yeah. Last one here. - D3 sucks though, D3's a pile of shit. - The Ducks are back. (laughing) - Quack attack is back, Jack. - They weren't back, they were just like, now we're in college, and we suck now, and he'll be honest with us. - And Emilio's not here. - He doesn't want anything to do with her. - He's not there, yeah. - He left. - He's like, just like he left the TV show at first. - Exactly. What a jerk. The boss one here. Legend of the Guardians, Colin, the Elos of Google. Max, what do you think this movie has unruned tomatoes? - One of the few Zack Snyder movies I actually like. Let's say 70? - 70, okay. Aaron, what about you? - In my heart, 95%. (laughing) - Yeah, you do really-- - I stand for it, it's good. - The aerials you will die on your sword for. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I'll still say like 65%. - 65, the answer is 52. Aaron, you're a closest. But still not enough to beat the one and only Maxwell had to add, which Maxwell, you got six points. Aaron, you got three in the game, Birds of a Feather, Run Tomatoes on a scale-up. - My head is a mess of useless knowledge. (laughing) - Great job on the exact target for Red Sparrow there. - Hmm. Listen, if there's one thing I know, it is the uvra of Francis Lawrence. (laughing) - I like it. That was games. - All right. - Well, thank you for that, Abe, that was fun. - You were welcome. - Birds of a Feather, that was good. - Okay. - Okay, let's move on now, just about now feedback. - Feedback, you like feedback? - This is where we go over the various questions, the answers on our Facebook page. Facebook, the comments I sent out podcast, we asked a number of questions and the listeners, and they gave us some answers, and we got a question as well that we can print the answer to. Maxwell, feel free to throw any answers you might have as we go through these questions here, and Abe, why don't you start us off? - First question here is what's your favorite acting performance in a video game movie, Chris of Herald Rites, Angelina Jolie as Laura Croft and Laura Croft Tomb Raider. Other mentions of Alicia Vikander in Tomb Raider. Timothy Oliphont in Hitman, he's fine. Michael Keaton in Need for Speed. - Oh. (laughing) - Good role. - Mark Hoff, Mark Hoff, Meyer Rites, Robin Shoe in Mortal Kombat. - All right. I guess I wanted to be Rites Jack Black in Jumanji. Chris Gloon has Sam Richardson in Werewolves Within. And lastly, Philip Hurd Rites, Jake John Hall in Prince of Persia. Can't tell if that's a joke or not, or a fill up. But thank you for writing in Philip. - The obvious answer, John Claude Van Dam and Street Fighter, obviously, and-- - An American Lieutenant Colonel-- - 5% of the $8 billion. - Yeah. - I mean, like, I believed him as an American-- I'm gonna kick Bison's ass so damn hard that the next Bison wanna be is gonna feel-- - What was the question? I'm so sorry. - Favorite acting performance in a video game movie. - Jeffrey Dean Morgan in Rampage. - He's very fun in Rampage. - There you go. - He's really fun in that movie. - That's good. Nailed it. That's good. All right. Next question we have here. What's a video game you still want to see as a movie and what movie do you want to see a video game for? - Oh. - Brandon Peters for the show Rites. - The video game is a movie, Roger Clemens MVP Baseball. - Yeah. (laughing) - Movie as a video game, Norma Ray. - You-yans. (laughing) - I'm trying to think of video games that actually are like arc like kind of like that. - We just, it's-- - Paper boys, babes, see, like, like-- - Paper boys. (laughing) - Like, riding around on a bike just delivering-- - Who do you boys work for? What are the unions and what? - Yes. - Avoiding dogs and avoiding, like, neighbors. - Michael Lee, friend of the show Rites, still waiting on Metal Gear Solid. I mean, it's some development. - Yeah. - Philip Heard Rites, Banjo-Kazooie as a video game, he has a movie, and Edge of Tomorrow as a video game. - Okay, solid answers. - Banjo-Kazooie, I'm sure Illumination will get right on that as next after the make up-- - That's how you pronounce it, Aaron. - Sorry, what? - It's pronounced-- (speaking in foreign language) - Thank you. - Yeah. - Chris Cleven has the raid but make a solid video game. - I think that, yeah, okay, fair. - There's plenty of-- - Yes, there's plenty of games I can think of that are very likely to like the raid. A video game you want to see as a movie and a movie you want to see as a video game. - Yeah, I'm gonna say Pong, I want to see as a movie, that'd be great. - The top challengers that came out this year. - No, no, no, that has three characters. Pong only has two, maximum. And so, movie that I want to see a video game for, let's say-- - I actually would dig like a Coraline game. I remember when they used to make really simple games for movies, I would've been fun just to be like, I'm now in the other world and I've got to go do some crazy stuff with my little cool, little magnifying glass, I think. I mean, nice. - I still-- - There is a Coraline game. - Is that really? - Yeah. - Oh, well, news to me. - I'm still waiting for a Bioshock movie. - Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. - Netflix is making a show or whatever, isn't it? - Yeah, we'll see. - It's gonna be daddy. - You know, I think Baby Driver would make a really fun video game. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Or Kill Bill. It'd be fun. - That'd be, that'd be usually like, your opening scene, I'm thinking like 16-bit, if you're getting shut up and dying. - Yeah, I think it would be a 16-bit, like side-scroller hack and slush. - That'd be so fun. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - You know, it'd be a cool video game. Dark City. We'll have to make Dark City until like-- - That would be cool. - Like an open world game where you're John, where you're John Murdock at like your, your memories are kind of coming back and you're like figuring out the world and strangers are coming at you. There's things just potential there. - I dig, man. - Dark City is fucking great. - Yeah. - Aaron, you're playing like the Jason Friday 13th game like a few years ago. - I didn't play that game actually. - Oh, you did not. - I never played that game. - But you were familiar with it. - I was familiar with it. - I played it. - Oh, Maxwell, you did. But it's a really cool concept of just like, hey, we've got to go like get these pieces so we can get out of the camp crystal. - I played the Evil Dead game, which is very similar. - Oh, okay, yeah. That's what you're talking about. - Yes, yes, yes. - But it's like, oh, that'd be fun if you had like a scream game that was like very similar to that, where it was like, I've got to go and like, you got to, first of all, you got to answer your question. That gives you like some lead time to get away from Ghostface. And then you got to go run over to like, you know, some sorority members have a server show in Geller. But her body's like, you know, just dangling from like this. - That'd be neat if you like, it's a multiplayer game and one of you is Ghostface. And you like, it's sort of like a manga. - Yeah, I was like, that's a manga scream. - Yeah, that's fun. - It's fun, yeah. - There's a way to do this. - Look at us, latest being video game creators now. - Let's contact radio side. I'll still figure this one out. (laughing) - The next question is, what are your favorite moves of bounty hunters? Louis Thompson writes the fall guy. Oh wait, no, they totally forgot to put that part in. "L-O-L," Charlie Binette has Binette run. Phillip Hurd writes the good, the bad and the weird. Chris Clune has all Mr. Wick movies and cowboy bebop. I mean, there's good answers there. - Well, these are all good answers. - Yeah. - Who's bounty hunters that y'all like? - What hasn't been mentioned? - Three minute baby. - No, no, that's not it. - Was there a dog, the bounty hunter movie? - No, I don't think so. - Bounty hunter movies. - Yeah. - Did someone say "Minette run"? - Yeah, Minette run came up. - It did. - You can say it again, it's not a problem. - Yeah. - "Minette run"? - There you go. Domino, Tony Scott's domino. There we go. - Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. - I mean, Django Unchained is-- - Yeah, he's a bounty hunter. - Yeah, that's right, yeah, he's a bounty hunter. - That's a hell of a movie. - Gets an apprentice. - Yeah. - All right. - Let's see, this question, we didn't get any answers to this one, but what's your favorite weapon or item out of a video game that you've seen adapted for the movie? - Mm, they've seen adapted-- - Like what's your favorite thing from a video game that you're like, "That looks great in a movie"? - Yeah. I mean, like, they don't, it was never a movie, but I've always done the Halo commercials where they actually showed like the either like the Covenant ships and/or just like the Space Marines and all their gear. It was really fun to see, but-- - Don't have regard like District 9 has a lot of like wacky weapons that are basically like scraps from the hatred you didn't get to make. (laughing) - Yeah. - Any favorite weapons from you guys? - I mean, Scorpion does do the thing. - With his hand? (laughing) - I need that over here. - I thought that Pokeballs are pretty well visualized in Detective Pikachu. - That's a good point. One of the best video game movies that we just talked about too. - Yeah, I like that movie. I don't know if that was pretty cool. I don't know. - All right. Well, next question. What are your favorite movies featuring resorts or hotels? Philip Heard has Spirited Away and the Best Exotic Marigold Hotel. Chris Golan has Gran Budapest Hotel and the Inn Keepers. - The Inn Keepers, Ty West? - Ty West, yeah. - I love that. That's a very, very good movie. - That's a, that's a year one episode, Abe. - Yeah. (laughing) - A long time ago, well. - Yeah, it is. - Yeah. I mean, Spirited Away is a great call. - Oh yeah. - You're gonna have to echo that one. - Bad times at the El Royale. - Oh, hey, there you go. - I've re-watched that recently for... Why did I re-watched it? I don't know how it went, but I won. - 'Cause you're just like on Chris Hemsworth's streak. - Honestly, it might have been. I might have been like, well, do you see Hemsworth? What did he just do? He did something, right? - He just did. - Furiosa. - Furiosa. - That's what it was. - That was exactly the reason. I was like, well, I thought that maybe you're also like, oh no, he shows up in Deadpool three. So I got to re-watched all of him first. - I watched it, yeah, back towards the beginning of May. - Yeah. - But yeah, there's a lot of really good stuff in that movie, for sure. - Okay. - The Shining's my answer. - Okay. - Another answer, Psycho. - Yeah, perfect answer. - Yeah. - Did they have vacancy, you think? Right now? - They, six room six vacancies. - Six room six vacancies. - Well, spooky. Next question here. Who are your favorites? - There's 12 rooms. - There's 12 rooms, 12 vacancies. - Get her right. - Who are your favorite cinematic twisted doctors? Christopher Hill has Frankenstein, Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, and young Frankenstein. - Thank you. - Yeah, you got to pronounce it correctly. Phil Verde has Michael Palin in Brazil, and Chris Gluen has Herbert West. - Animator. These are all perfect answers. (laughs) There are twisted doctors in movies. - Twisted doctors. Obviously Sally's doctor father in the nightmare for Christmas. I forget his name. - Oh, what's his name? - I don't know, but he's just always like really creepy. - It's Jack. - It's Jacky. - Keep going all the way. - It's Dr. Ficklestein, 'cause Jack says it's so big. I love what Jack is excited about something, 'cause he's a big doctor. - Dr. Ficklestein. - It is. - I have something more to do. I have some new designs for Christmas. - Yeah, it is. - I wouldn't fucking crush Jack if I had to do a radio show. (laughing) - Can you sing? - Sally. - Yeah. (laughing) - No, I would be like the movie where Danny Elfen does the singing voice and I'm Chris Saran. - Yeah, you're just like talking to your voice. - Oh, zero, they're shooting. - Any favorite cinematic twisted doctors that you guys like? - Yeah, I have two answers from two movies that I actually always consider as like a great double feature in my head. The first is the doctor from Eyes Without a Face. - Oh, okay. - And then complimenting that Antonio Banderas in Almodovars, the skin I live in. - The second you said Eyes Without a Face, I was like, well, I should do Antonio Banderas. (laughing) - You guys are the same page. (laughing) - I don't know. That doctor that puts animal parts with Rob Schneider in the animal. He's he's twisted. (laughing) - How about Willem Dafoe and poor things? - Ooh, good answer. That's a good answer. - That's also a good father figure. - Should have been nominated. That's what I say. - All right, well, not maybe. - Dafoe is so good at that, but like-- - He's so good. - He's like, what was he in this year that I already really liked him and I could doubt again. - He's losing things every second. - I don't know. - Oh, oh, oh, oh, it's kinds of kindness. - Oh, yeah. Also, your gross movie. - Another, yeah, another your gross movie. - He's just like, Dafoe's just knocking it out like yearly. And it's like, it's like-- - Well, I fully-- - Just because he feels like it. - I fully expect him to be brilliant and nice for Ocho. - Oh my God. - Oh, can't wait. Can't wait. - Yeah. - Let's see. Next question we have here. Who are your favorite teenage horror characters? Mark Hoff, my friend on the show writes. Josh Hartnett had a good run in age 2.0 and the faculty, Chris Leland, has Jay Hight as a Micah Monroe from It Follows. Teenage horror movie characters. - Teenage horror. - I mean, for me, it's, you know, Sidney Prescott, Tatum, and Randy, you know, this original screen. - Good trio. - You're good? - Yeah. - Carrie. Why what happened to her? - Ha! - She got a problem too. - Oh, great. It's a, oh, it works out. Okay, good. Yeah. I'm glad, I'm glad. All right. And now we move on to a question for all three of us here on the panel today. The question is, do you know who wrote this in? - Oh, this is, it's Chris, Chris Leland. - Chris Leland writes, "Who would win in a celebrity death match "of Art the Clown versus Freddy?" - It's in Freddy Krueger. - Yeah. I'm assuming Freddy Krueger as well. But Art the Clown, I mean, like, you know, Freddy can invade you in your sleep, right? So, but does Art even sleep? - Here's the thing. I feel like Freddy could probably get the upper hand as far as how he would attack Art the Clown. But I think he could get frustrated by Art the Clown because Art wouldn't die. And he would probably relish being beaten up by Freddy. He just like, smile and joke at him and stuff. - Yeah, yeah. - Silently, of course. - Right. So I feel like Freddy would be like, throwing everything he's got at him and he'd just be sitting there like, "This guy does a toy!" And Art the Clown just be like, "Art the Clown just be like..." And I just... - Yeah. (laughing) - Yeah, Freddy's got like the verbal puns, but Art has like, you know, the sneaky, like, non-verbal puns. - It's like in Freddy, it's honestly like, Freddy versus Jason, where Jason's just like, he just stands back up again and is like, "This fucking guy?" (laughing) - And I think similarly, Art would just chop Freddy up into a hundred pieces and put the different pieces all over wherever he is. - That's actually really funny. - Once he gets the upper head, Freddy's not, you know, he's not really that strong outside of his powers. So like, it was just, it was just Robert Englund. It's like, yeah, it's just a bird victim. I could handle that. - Nah. - I mean, are we talking Robert Englund, Freddy? Or are we talking Jackie Earl Haley? - Oh. (laughing) - 'Cause Jackie Riley, he's scrappy. - Scrappy, yeah. (laughing) - All right, well, that's a good question. And we'll see if a lot of people that are showing up in Terrifier 3, so who knows? - No. - Okay. - We'll see what happens. - But yeah, that's not enough feedback. We're back feeling feedback. And that's gonna bring us to the end of this week's episode about now with Aaron and Abe. You can find everything I do over at my personal substack paces code is eek.substack.com. All my reviews and stuff end up over there. I am the editor-in-chief at We Get Entertainment. All my movie reviews are there. You can find my blue and creature interviews over at wiseublue.com. I am currently the co-host on the summer of 2004 at 20, my cell friend of the show, Brandon Peters, and Scott Mendelson. We talked about the weekly summer 2004 lineup. I believe this week is Alien versus Predator versus Garden State. Next day, 10 for that one. And I'm all the socials at Aaron's PS4, okay? I like to, I like forward to hearing all the shins. You can find my stuff over at a, Instagram, abed@muh and twitter.com/swarishmooce hashtag, but don't get on. - It's Maxwell headed. We're gonna be able to find more of your work. - Yeah, find me on Twitter @Cinemaxwell and my partner Amber and I, we are Amber Productions. We podcasted a lot during COVID and then life happened, but we are gonna start podcasting again in mid-September. We're gonna launch what we're gonna call the Ambercast. - Hey, movies, pop culture, TV, sports, whatever we want to talk about. So stay tuned for that. - Great, cool, fascinating. It's always something going on with Maxwell. It's fun to get him. He's got so many things going on. But you know, Maxwell, thank you very much for joining us. - Thank you, Aaron. - I mean, this is great. - Yeah, you can find all the other episodes about now out there. And they have on iTunes, audio group Spotify and Stitcher. - Santa Claus, Potter man who reaches WOD, go for the email is at that.notpackets@gmail.com. - Check out our Facebook, Facebook, And I was going to go podcast. - And our Instagram page, Instagram.com/S matter of course podcast as well. Thanks once again also to Peter Paris for joining us for our podcast review. - Thank you, Maxwell. Thank you, Peter. - You're welcome. - Thanks to the listeners for listening. Next week, Alien, colon, Romulus is out. And we will be talking all about that and more. So stay tuned for that. But that's gonna do it for this week's social. Until next time, so long and bye. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)