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Ep. 53 DUMB BATMAN
You are now listening to No Dumb Idea. Hello everybody, and welcome. Hello everybody, and welcome back to No Dumb Idea. It is a pop culture podcast that uses trivia, game shows, little improv scenes, you know, to express its dumb ideas, you know, that our fun takes on pop culture. I am your host Gible Dang, also known as the new Batman villain, gay face. Is that good? I like it. Is that good? And I am Jim Leader Day, also known as the new villain Bear Arms. I want to get into that, but I'm Dala, and better known as Sick Boy. But not for the reasons you think. Bear Arms is Bear Arms have his arms bare, or they are actual animal bear arms. He has colossal bear arms that are literal bear arms that he uses to wield large gatling guns in rocket launchers. And his goal is to show Batman is foolish for not using guns. And this is why they call me gay face. Nice. Yeah, really great, I really hope that translates to my podcast. And that's why they call me Sick Boy. Alright everybody, it's a new week. It's a new week, it's a new episode, you know, I'm sure you're getting the gist of what we're spitting out or coughing up. But why don't we get into our weekly origin stories, I'll start first, gibbledang aka gay face. Yeah, so you know my week has been pretty productive. I've started a new job, I'm not going to say what it is, but I'll say it's pest control. So I guess that's what it is. A little hint. A little hint. But, you know, it's a, I've noticed that all of my jobs have been different from the last, you know, I've never done the same thing twice. So Jack of all trades, Master of None. Nice. I like these, he's Jack and Master, like Jack off Master B. Exactly, exactly. Soon to be a master of, you know, pest thumping raccoons. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, I don't have to, no. That's what I imagine is somebody who controls pest. This is there. Yeah. That most people... This raccoons are the only real pests. Jesus, no. I like bugs. The biggest thing would be like rats. That's what we have to, rats the biggest. Rats and peligots. Yeah. No, we have to stomp on them. The raccoons. They just give you a designated pair of rat-stopping boobs. Tim's. All right. What's the team leader Nate? I thought your first paycheck. Jim leader Nate. Is Rat Catcher a real Batman villain or not? Rat Catcher? Yeah. I... I would say yes. All right. Ding ding ding ding. What's the one in... I was gonna say, why wouldn't they be? What's the team in T1 called? Cause I was like, fuck, what's that? I was trying to remember his name. It's a rat fucker. Rat snatcher. Anyway, so, what's the rest? Rat snatcher. And he is a rat fucker. Yeah, I'll take it out. Oh, is this a quiz? Yeah, it is a quiz. Rat Catcher's name is Lauren Thal James. Is that true or false? Is that true or false? Yeah, true or false? Okay. I was like expecting more. Sorry. One more time. His name is... Lauren Thal James. Lauren Thal James. Lauren Thal James. Lauren Thal James. Hold on. Let me go grab my Rat Catcher book and just check. I'm gonna say sure cause it sounds... There's no way they actually do that. I'm gonna say sure cause I want that to be true. That they gave him the name of the Jews. Well, what's fucking Sonic's real name? Like Sonic the Hedgehog. I don't know. It's not O.J. Simpson's real name which you fell for. Sure. Oh yeah, it is Orville the Hedgehog. Orville, I thought it was. Orville, yeah. But you know what this week's episode is not... It's not about Orville the Hedgehog, you know. So before we get into that, you know, this week's premise, that was my week. Why don't we go ahead and go into the next Villains Week? What is it? Bear Arms. Bear Arms. So... I will show Batman the greatest thing about America. The right to bear arms. Uh, yeah. Money? I mean, my week's been good. Been, you know, just playing a lot of magic honestly online. Um, as per usual let's be real. And, uh... No. Let's be fake. Like, let's be fake. Yeah. Um, okay, well, fake-wise, I've been hiking. You know, I've been eating really healthy. Skydiving. Um, real fun. I've been saving money. Oh, nice. Like, actually, honestly, I've been cutting back on drinking and to save money. And it's... Nice. It's been nice. 'Cause like, I'm still not very far in. Like, I'm just gonna, like, kinda not drink for a while. Yeah. It just, uh, you know, having myself a little bit of a sober, sober break. A sober-tober, I feel you. A sober-tober in August. Yeah. It goes into... It's like, uh, October Fest, though, where it starts early, you know? It goes into... You're having a straight-edge August. Yeah. August. Uh... You know me. Just edging. Anyways. How about you? Yeah. Uh, sick boys. Sorry. No, you're good. Sick boys. Sick boys. Sick boys. It's a real... A hundred percent real. I'm a little sick. Probably why I sound gay. But, uh... Shh. That's why. Hold on. You ordered the impression. That's stupid. That's why the series is fake. That gay people have a distinct sound, and that sound is, like, congested. Do I sound awful? And sneezing and... No, no. You don't sound any different, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. That's why. I'm no different. No, no. I'm just fucking around. You know what I mean? We find out. Yeah. K-N-O-W. Yeah, yeah. No different. Um, but, uh, so I've been sick, so just been kind of recuperating. But I am pissed, because I had early screening for the movie Cuckoo. Um, it was free early screening where we had a sign and they would record our reaction. So we could have been in a fucking trailer or something. In the trailer. But then watch Cuckoo right now. Oh, God. It's just me peeing. You would have thrown your popcorn like the AMC guy. Do you remember that? No. The AMC guy. Okay. Ooh. That's true. We don't usually go to an AMC. Uh, yeah. Okay, never mind. No. Yeah, so I'm just mad because I couldn't make it. Action. Screw me, AMC. Yeah. But there is myself. That's sad. Yeah, I'm sorry. That would have been really cool. Yeah. I don't think we would have been in anything. But it was just kind of like, uh, I was also just bummed because I was like, fuck, I wanted to see Cuckoo, Cuckoo, like, a day early. I'm assuming that's a horror. Yes. A horror? Yeah. It's a horror movie. A horror. See, that's why, that's why when you're an interesting fact, when you're in acting school for the stage, they tell you that you have to say it horror. And it's because from far away when your voice travels, that word muddles really bad. Yeah. But it's like, no matter how hard you pronounce horror, it still just sounds like you're weirdly saying horror. It's not like a goddamn. That's why I didn't make it far in acting academy. Mm. And because my voice cracks a lot. Oh. You guys didn't watch the horror movie. Oh, the horror. Oh, Rick. Whoa. They never had to give me that note. No, you sound like a damn, like, a fisherman from fucking HP Lovecraft, like, book. Just, yeah. I feel like if that was your real accent, then you could get jobs in a lot of different places in TV. Oh, probably. Tightcast, though, for sure. Yeah, Kevin James. Here's your mail. See you next Wednesday. It's like, yeah, there you go. As I say, it's basically how Mark Wahlberg's career works. Mm. Yeah, how it works. Okay. Fair. Yeah, that's how that works. It's how that functions. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's pretty much been my week. I mean, yeah, I'm trying to think if there's anything else to note like worthy, but it's just kind of been mostly that. Well, like, we saw Deadpool Wolverine too, I guess. That happened. Well, that happened. Erm, that happened. Erm. Awkward. Erm. What the sigma? That happened. Regenerate. Deadpool and choose some ideas. Erm. I can't die. What? It was cool. It was fun. You know? Erm. Erm. I'm gay for, erm, gay for. Who wins two sideways batmans? Two sideways batmans kissing. That's fine. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. Sideways or sideways batmans? Yeah, because his profile. His mask is too batman's facing each other kissing. Yeah. Okay. I see. Yeah. No, it's cool movie. Erm. Good movie. It was cool. If you're hearing this by now, you know, you ten listeners. I'm sure you've seen the movie everybody has. And if not, the trailers and the director and the actors and the fucking cinematographers. Everybody has spoiled it now. So, erm. Yeah. I'm sure you know everything. Everybody knows everything. All over everything. Yeah. But, er, we liked it. Erm. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think of what to say. I, yeah. Oh, I like it. I think it ended up being such a, somebody put it online that the previous two dead pool films while breaking the fourth wall and having that kind of nature to them weren't as much, weren't quite like this one where this one was also like basically an open satire of all of the multiverse movies that Marvel has made recently. And they, where it's like the others were like, you know, they were very joke, like very silly and very, um, meta. It's just like this one was just so, so like just everything was a joke reaching beyond the movie. And it, I do wonder what it, I appreciated it a lot. I do wonder how this one's going to age though to, with that like sense, like in 10 years, new people see and they're going to be like, I wonder if they're going to like get it or not, you know, just because there's so many that is, that is the one that is a really concern. But in, yeah. Draw back. Yeah. And 10 years, new people. I mean, people right now probably haven't seen the Iron Man movies. Yeah. Like I'm hearing that's a thing. So I'm sure in 10 years, people aren't even going to give a shit, you know? Yeah. It's a new product that there's going to be Star Wars 14 that, that reboots everything, you know? No, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. Whether you like it or not. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you count all the Star Wars, it's probably already there. It's probably already, like, they're already working on, they're already working on episode 10. Yeah. 10. Um, I honestly, I liked it. I thought it was a good movie. I think I like number two the most. That's right. It was my favorite Deadpool, one personally, but I like two and they're all like, they're all really good. And all like neck and neck, but I like one the most, I think, as like a movie. That's the thing. True. I think they're all neck and neck. Yeah. That's a good way to put it. It's like, pick your favorite. 89, 90, 91 percent. Yeah. It's like, uh, two pick, pick, pick, you know, just like listen or pick your favorite. Correct. It's a multiple choice question where all, they're, they're all correct, you know? I think mine is probably going to, mine, I think mine is going to actually be three. Oh, nice person. I like it. Yeah. Just because like, I don't know, it, because it was so, I don't know, I felt like it's like it nailed the exact job it was trying to do. I felt like, um, I don't know, whereas like, whereas like it was kind of the gag and like one and two, was that like, oh, these are the only characters where we can get licensed to use. Yeah. So these are the X-Men who showed up and now it's just, I think it's just so perfect that like the second that they have the ability to license a bunch of characters, they just do, they just barrage the movie with it. Well, also like the ones that I wouldn't want to see either or like, no, you don't want to see. Yeah. Like the kids nowadays don't know. And yeah, exactly. And so I think it was, yeah, I think it was just so nice. And it was like just also just such a great love letter to all the Fox movies and like a send off to like, thanks for everything, like here's the last hurrah. Should have had more fantastic four characters though, I will say. Mm-hmm. I think my last note on Deadpool and Deadpool three basically, it has my favorite. The three pull? Yeah, three pulled. It has my favorite joke out of the whole franchise. The proposal. Yeah. That was a great one. That was my favorite joke out of the whole franchise. I could lightly tap into the fourth wall too. The proposal. What the shit. He doesn't break the fourth wall because he's a nice fool, he just lightly taps it. Yeah. My favorite Deadpool joke, it does come from Deadpool two, it's when Colossus asks Deadpool to join the X-Men for like the second or third time. And Deadpool's like, look, I have a lot of reasons why, first of all, I'm not a virgin. Second of all. I forgot what it goes on, but it's super funny. I thought you were going to do the Black Tom Cassidy one because that one's pretty good from the second one. That's also, yeah. I think it has a lot better punch lines in the second one, that's probably why I like it a little bit more. That's fair. That's fair. There were a lot of good... Oh, and a lot of the comedy was, oh, heavy disagree. I'm sorry, heavy disagree. The only really good action scene in Deadpool three was the Honda Odyssey fight. But the action in Deadpool two is just way better overall, in my opinion, at least. Because it's like... I felt like every fight, or at least the big ones specifically, both Deadpool Wolverine fights, and the fight that Gambit, Electra, next 23 of them, in Blade were all in. Like, that was so fun for me. I had like, Washington and Tatum beat Gambit was sick. One thing I wish you... I mean, it's cool to see them in action, but they're all like, the third movie's fights are pretty generic, in my opinion. I will say I wish... They're cool, but they're generic. I agree in that part, and I was going to say I wish there was a fight where, because Deadpool and Wolverine are so invulnerable, I wish there was like a Looney Tunes-esque fight. Like, I like the Honda one especially. A Cannon Ball? Or they're just blowing each other with their two bits, and like flying around. Because they're basically cartoon characters, as they're both invulnerable. Yeah, how come no one got decapitated, no one got like, dismembered. Yeah. Like... It's just making a little more cartoon. No. Slaps the cartoon personally. Yeah. That would have been my first preference. Honestly, that's true, because it seemed like they did take the easy way out, where just everything was just stabbing each other, and that way they didn't have to do any effects for injuries. They did do... It was just, "Oh, you just assumed they got stabbed, and then it healed immediately, and then it just keeps stabbing." And they did do the one with the Deadpool core at the end, where they were, you know, and then they got all get regenerated, but even then it was like, "Oh, that's... I want more of that, you know, but just like with Wolverine, you know." Yeah. I think, like I said, they're all real good for all different reasons too, though. Like I said, multiple choices are all correct. I feel a little disappointed that Deadpool in none of the three movies ever, they never brought in his, like, his, like, infinity, like, items basically, his ability, like, canonically Deadpool can kind of pull out things that are insane to be, like, they're huge, like a cartoon. He's done it, like, four times. Like Mallet Space or something? No, about that. I don't know if he has Mallet Space. He might, because there was a period where he could teleport. He essentially does, because he pulls out guns that are, like, he pulls out guns sometimes that are, like, literal, like, you said, like, canon, and he'll, like, just, he'll just be like, "I wouldn't be surprised it's..." I wouldn't be surprised it was a storyline where it's like, "Oh, I got this, like, Mallet Space, like, space belt that I have or something," because he's had a teleporter in his first view. He used to be able to teleport. And then they got rid of that because they were like, "Eh, let's not do the thing." I don't know. Deadpool's such an interesting character if you follow him in the comics, because he's nothing, like he was, the, the, what they made was not even anything close to what he is now, you know? Like, they just made me a jobber that ended up taking off. That's so true. It's really cool. But this episode isn't about Dan or Wolverine. It's about Batman. Ooh, let's get revenge on him or vengeance. Let's get revenge on Batman. It's me, Gaifers. Ooh, I'm scary. Hey, me, my arms. Sick boy here. But our, but our mafia's don't like each other. So we'll band together. I ain't working with none of you. Well, I'll take them on my cell and I'll be the first one that gets like the shit beaten out of me and then arrested. You get your arms ripped off? Yeah. It's okay because I didn't kill you. What Batman? Yeah. He's like, "See, that's the Batman I really want to see. Fuck, like slicing people and making like chopping heads off and doing stuff like that." Rising their wounds and he basically just turns them into like little bean, turns them into gummy bears. Yeah. Like they're just like armless, legless. You know what? That's funny. I might be scud. That'll teach you. The comic? Yeah. Fuck you now. Okay. So let's get into this week's premise, you know, it's all about Batman. Batman Caped Crusader came out recently and you know, we'll talk about that in the latter half of the episode. But right now, why don't we get into thoughts and feelings about Batman? That's about Batman. Me? Well, I guess me as gible bang, not as gay face, we'll get into that but you know, I loved Batman growing up. He was always one of my favorite heroes. I was always really big into like the gothic horror. He's gotten insanely good rogues gallery and just growing up, there's all of the and I happen to grow up during all of the animated series that he had. Well, excluding the like 60s ones. But you know, I managed to see Batman, the animated series, the Batman, Batman Beyond, brave in the bold. And I think there is one more, the, no, there's a where the Batman, I believe it is. And so yeah, it's always been a part of like it's obviously a big part of culture. I was a big fan and I still am, you know, I've read of not too much of his stuff, but some some pretty good runs of his stuff. And you know, I did feel myself disconnecting with the character, the moment that I realized that he's a rich billionaire, you know, like, and sure, if anyone listening, call me whatever you want, I don't care. But it's like, you know, I get your dressing up and having fun and, you know, beating people up. And yeah, the one thing I don't give a shit about that argument is like, oh, he's beating up the mentally unwell people. It's like, no, not all of them are mentally unwell, a lot of them are very aware of what they're doing. And they're just pieces of shit, you know, it, you don't need to completely make Batman the villain. But the whole, I don't know, I find myself having a hard time like identifying with that as I get older, I guess, but, you know, I guess that leads me into, you know, I feel like that's my overall exposure that and, you know, I love Tim Burton. I've said that before. And he's done the first two live action Batman movies, excluding the TV movie. And those two are some of my favorite movies ever. I think they really capture like a nice gothic, noir kind of tone. You know, with all that being said, I, I don't know, what's your guys's kind of like feelings about Batman? How did you guys, how do you guys feel about Batman? Batman for me was definitely an acquired taste over time. Growing up, he was never really on my radar, most, honestly, when I was a kid, most superhero related things were hard for me to pay attention to unless I bought the graphic novel, like compendiums of their comics because I just didn't have the, I don't know, I just didn't have the driver attention span to like stay interested to like renew issues and stuff as they came out. And then as I grew up, because I already was very solidified in like the manga world, it took me a long time to catch on and start really reading American comics. I always used to, well, I always used to read all of the articles and the, the lower drops and stuff. So I would just go just read more about the ones that I liked or like characters or like songs. Yeah. When I was like characters, when I was a kid, like people would talk about all these superheroes and I would go look them all up and be like, who are these superheroes? Cool. And then I'd be like, hmm, okay, though, these are all kind of interesting. I really like the green lantern and or something like that, like, and then, but like that was mostly because I was autistic and I felt like I had to have favorite superheroes. So that people, when they asked me, I had answers and I wasn't just like Naruto. Yeah, you were autistic, right? You said you grew out of it? Yeah, as we all naturally do. It's a maturity thing. So I kind of caught on to actually reading comics when I finally got to college. That was when I started, well, A of all, I started just, I found a couple websites where I would just read them for free because that was also a bit, a big barrier for me. It was just like any time I had spending money, I had other hobbies that I focused on more and that's where all my spending money went for hobbies. And so like, there were, there was never any extra spending money for comics. And so when I started reading them all for free, when I was like 18, 19, that was when I started to actually read some Batman, of course, I like started with all like the, the like really big storylines that like were recommended to me by a Batman fan, one of my best friends in college. And so he was like, okay, like immediately read these, these, I think are interesting enough that will make you want to read more Batman. And it was like killing joke and death in the family. And hadn't, but that, and then I ended up reading death of the family as well. But anyways, that was like, that kind of like made me start to actually look into Batman more, because like my entire perception of Batman growing up was just the, was just the movies was literally just the movies. And I'm sure most people like Batman to me was Batman whipping out a credit card that had Batman on it and going, I always have it on me or whatever. That's how all the comics are, right? And he goes and just buys the problem away. Yeah, like when he was bidding for a date with Poison Ivy. And so like, that's like, that's what Batman is in my head is the like Batman forever, Batman and Robin, that was the best one, the Schumacher Batman, the Batman, that was truly my dad had all the, my dad had all the collectors glass months that had the same issue as dad on here instead. It was carved into the side, my dad loved those, the Schumacher Batman. That's like this. And honestly, I still do just because they're so, yeah, did he grow up with the original show in the 60s, because that could be why he loves those ones so much, because it's the similar tone. It's a mix in the 60s and like Tim Burton's stuff, so that makes sense. Yeah, my dad, my dad watched the, he would watch reruns of the show, yeah, in the like in the 70s. Nice. Um, when he was a teenager, Batman, it's me, Robin, I'm gay, but not for you. It's my new character, that's my new character, I'm from work shopping. So it's, so you'd be a good name for him. That's what I was trying to think of like, Gabe in, you know, rock game, fake, gobbin. That's, that's really it for me in my later years when I finally like, took a class for like, I took a comic book history class when I was in college as part of like, giving my credits done. Luckily, it was cool class that was available, and I got to read some OG Batman comics from Detective comics, because the teacher at the class had like a big, like all of these like extremely influential comics he literally had, he either had companions for them or the actual issues, and he would make Xerox copies of his issues and bring them in for the class to read it. Is this a real detective comics number 27? Yeah, like, shh, rip. Yeah, sorry. Oops. That's all right. No, he brought in pieces of paper. Yeah. And I would not trust him. That's cool. Yeah, for me. What about you, dog? Yeah, I was gonna say, I grew up with the movies and the show, like the animated series and then like, the Batman I remember watching, like, when I was like in maybe late elementary middle school. But I remember liking it and like, other people complaining and being like, it's different like this and then I'm like, like, it's like, yeah, I get it, but it's a different show. It's like, I don't know. What do you want? The same thing? Yeah, it's like, it just watched the original if you want the original, like, animated series or whatever. It's like, I don't get it. It's good. It's still good. I would highly recommend. But yeah, and then I think in high school, I think around high school, I ended up, I don't know how or when or why, but I ended up getting two Batman books. I got a big, like, book of fucking night's fall that collected, like, night's fall with like, Bane's introduction that I really liked. And then the other one was Dark Knight Returns, which is the Frank Miller one. That one is like, I love that one. It's such a good book, beautifully drawn and rendered and scripted and everything and that's kind of what got me into, like, the comics at least and comics in general, probably, is that plus, like, Doom Patrol by Grant Morrison, like, those really collectively got me into the comic book series collecting, I guess. Yeah, what's next question, Judge? Give me a hard one. I feel bad. I feel like I rambled and you were like, oh, yeah, it's just this. Oh, yeah. I got it. I'm like, I'm talking for way too long. Sorry about that. Yeah. I just, I just... Now I know about your professor. Yeah. I know about your professor things and his fucking favorite color and all that shit. It's okay. And my dad. Yeah, your dad had your dad's turn. Yeah. And my dad's turn. My dad. Everybody. Did you even answer the question? That's okay. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We should have your dad on the show instead. Well, this is what everybody else I don't like. So I guess that's what I... Yeah. That'd be funny. You're like, I hated that. Well, I actually hate Batman. But I'm gonna ramble. I guess. You know, my... You're good. What will you say? What will you say? Well, I was gonna say, I do feel like similar with Gible Dang where like, I think modern day comic Batman disinterests me, except for with one exception, which I'll probably get into later. But for the most part, he disinterests me, I think, similar for like the political issues, but also just, it's kind of, I think we've had a discussion off like when we're hanging out one time. It's just like, there's too much continuity. You need to really reset Batman and other comics that matter, but it's just too much. Yeah. It's like... It's ridiculous. But... A new new 52, if you will. I should try actually. They are gonna try to... They are gonna try to... Yeah, absolutely. They are gonna try to do something new. Yeah. Which time? I'm stoked. Do you guys have a... We'll see. Yeah, we'll see how it turns out. But do you guys have a like favorite Batman or like a favorite Batman costume? I know right off the bat. I'm a really big... Right off the bat. Hey. Hey. Hey. That's good. I didn't mean to do that. That's good. Right off the bat. You know, I do like, I am a big fan of the classic, you know, where he's just got the little gloves and the big ears and the kind of gray, like... I wouldn't say it's like a sweater, but I imagine it being like a, like a cloth suit. Like his first suit. OG Batman. His first suit. So when it's rendered in games or like media. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I'm thinking of Arkham Asylum. Exactly. And then I love the Tim Burton gothic aesthetic specifically like the Batman Returns bat suit. Amazing. Really good. I do like the Robert Pattinson suit. It's a little too like cargo-y for me. I don't like the nipples Batman or Nolan Batman or, honestly, or Bat Flick. Really? Really? No, or Bat Flick. Yeah. Yeah. Those are like the movie ones. I think in terms of like comic book, I love like Gotham by Gaslight or the Doom that came to Gotham. Those are both Batman stories written and drawn by Mike McNolle, I believe. And they both take- The second one isn't drawn by him but he's wrote it. Gothic. The Doom, Doom that came to Gotham is drawn by someone else and I can look at it more. Okay. There we go. But they're both different interpretations of Batman that take him back to like in 1800s, like 1930s, like in between those times. Like ones in the Victorian era and the other one is in like 1920s or 1918s, I believe, or like 1910s or whatever. I think those are my favorite mainly because like in terms of comic book, mainly because they take the core of what Batman is and reinvent it without like, I don't know, I feel like Batman works best, not in the modern times. I think that he's starting to maybe get like outdated in some senses, like I don't know. But I think his stories work best as like period pieces. I think else worlds. But yeah, basically, basically, I think like the best Batman stories are ones that have no continuity that aren't tied to anything else, like sure you have that like aforementioned knowledge, but I don't know. I think animated Batman will always look better than live action Batman, and it's proven time and time again. I think like you're talking about, I think the Arkham games, Batman, Bat suit is probably my favorite. Bat suit. For sure. It's a good one. I don't like armor or padding. I like I think I think specifically the first one like specifically the first one where it's just Arkham Asylum, it's because they do tactical a lot now, but in my opinion, this one is still better because of all its coloring, his suit has the gray tone to it, and then black for the cape. I think that's better than just all of the black on black. He does have a yellow belt, like it's still a tactical belt, but I enjoy this one a lot. That's the thing is that I don't have as much of a dislike of the militarized look anymore. I got, especially with the Nolan Batman, I always had a really great time watching the Nolan Batman. Especially, I don't know, it's so funny because it's the black sheep at those movies too, but I thought Batman Begins was so good. I still love that movie, and specifically in Batman Begins, he had these like more classical things to the suit before they even made it even more ninja tactical in the future movies. I do like the aesthetic of Batman Begins way more. He had that real extra long cape, and it just had such an imposing figure whenever you saw him swooping into a scene. Yeah, I thought that looked pretty good, but yeah, in general, I still think the animated series, it's like, again, all live action, that's just my favorite of the live actions when animated always looks better. And I think the big thing, what Ghibling was saying is that because of the period, I can't see him in just the normal style suit because it's so modern, and it's like he would now, I feel like now he looks out of place in a modern telling of Batman, whereas when you tell the old Batman in its period, he looks so much perfect, so, where everybody's walking around in big suits in hands, fedoras, and yeah, time he goes, you know, then just a guy in Spandex with a cave like this, it makes him feel more crazy, at least, or like more of like, unhinged, just that, yeah, like, I think I like when Batman is more of an in hinged, trauma-ridden asshole, you know, he's, man, it's more complex and interesting. Yeah, exactly. I mean, 'cause back then, there was no counseling or anything, we were just throw them in the same asylum, you know. Right. Yeah. Just lobotomized. Yeah. There you go. He'll never think of a batting in, 'cause he can't think. Only if they're women. Well, what is that, uh, I think there's other, there's more, there's other shit, yeah, for me. Yeah. I was trying to remember the question, yeah. I think my movie-wise, I don't know if there's any that, like, I feel like I'm pretty cool with most of them, like, there's like features on each one I could probably point out and like say that I like, but I think then there's like the problem of, like, they can look cool but then they don't move well or something, you know, so it's like none of those are my favorite. Like, I think what, like, Jim later Nate was saying, it's like animated or like drawn, how it was intended basically is always the best, you know, to me. I'm sure we all agree Kevin Conroy is the best Batman. That's like, you know, Mark Ham is the best Joker, like, in terms of like, well, yeah, you know, they kind of transcended their roles. Yeah. They kind of defined their roles, honestly. Oh, yeah, yeah. Um, that's a given. Yeah. I'm trying to think of any particular Batman's I want to point out. I mean, I think, like we were saying, a lot of the Elsworld stuff. Like I love Arkham, Silum, Sears, House, Sears, Earth, that's David, and beyond Dave McCain, Batman Beyond's cool. Ooh. It's a good one. That's good. That's basically what if Batman was Spider-Man. Kinda, yeah. Yep. In the future. Yeah. They have, fuck, they have Spider-Man 2099, we got to make this and then Spider-Man made a unlimited. Batman 2099. Yeah. Yep. They made a limited and it sucked. Um, man, I was just thinking, it's funny, it's like, I think Batman to me is kind of like, it's similar to Wolverine where I'm like thinking I'm like, both of them, I kind of like all the costumes for the most part or there's like things I can point out. Like, I can be like, oh, Red Rain, that one. I love Kelly Jones's Batman, you know, I love fucking, what's his name, Neil Adams. Neil Adams. Yeah, like that original, one of like the original like artists, you know. I'm trying to think if there's like an artist that I think of when I think Batman. But, like when I think of Batman, which bat, you know, like, that's why I'm trying to think if there's Scott Snyder for artists, um, Greg Capullo, Greg Capullo, he's a good one. Yeah. I think it for me would have to be like, you know, it's fucking, you know, it's Norm Brayfogle from the 80s. That's probably the Batman I think of. It's like the blue, it's just, it's pretty slick. Yeah. Like the, what's your problem? I don't know what I think of when I think Batman. It's like blue on gray, um, just big ass cape, big horns, um, big ears, Batman. You big ears, Batman. Probably that. That's probably big ears. Batman. Because I think of Spider-Man. I think of Mark Bagley. So that's why I was like, who's the Batman artist? Batman. Oh, yeah. Well, I think it's Spider-Man. I think of Batman. Yeah. I think of that. Yeah. That's my, um. I'm looking, I'm looking through some of the styles right now because I just realized I was like, damn, of like, in the comics, I didn't even think about like, which, yeah, how he's like, how his suits drawn, yeah, is also a whole different thing to consider to peeing between the artists. So I'm like, yeah, there's a Jimicara, I love Dan Mora. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They got a good, I love Dan Mora. Just so great silhouette to draw. Yeah. Well, it's, it's funny too. It's like, you can redesign it. Like all the toys. It's like, here's submarine Batman, here's like a tropical gorilla Batman, here's, and it kind of makes sense. And it's like, they're still cool looking in, in lore. Yeah. And here's Batman in Elseworld as a knight, you know, with the helmet, like in shit, like they're pretty cool, you know. You know what else is pretty cool? His villains. Ooh. I think my favorites honestly have to be sick boy. Like us. Gay face. No, but I, I, I say gay face because I'm gay, like classical music. One half of your face is Willem Dafoe, the other is your regular face. I grew up watching the Batman. And the Batman actually has a really good rendition of Clayface where it's an entirely new character who's a detective who's tortured by the Joker who eventually gets poisoned by one of his chemicals and slowly over like weeks turns into like a, into Clayface. It's like a, a very much like a, from what I remember a psychological kind of like thriller because he's a detective, trying to keep it straight, trying to, trying to play cool with Batman as well. And I always thought that like character development was really good the way he struggled with like just being crazy and also trying to find his humanity. Yeah, it was really good. And from there, I think that's what really made him one of my favorite villains that then I went to like, I ended up going to school for theater, not because of Clayface, but I ended up, I, no, but I ended up. I lit up all the Clayface. This is for you remembering, I ended up remembering like, oh yeah, shit, he was an actor. Like his whole thing was that he was like a failed actor that I guess became a criminal. Became a psychotic. I am Clayface. Yeah. Oh my God, it's me. I am a Clayface. You know, it's funny. I thought you were trying to do two face this whole time. I didn't realize it was Clay, Gay. Yeah, there's a couple other faces. Gay, Clay. One face. The titular one face. Yeah, another villain is Manbat. I think, I think Manbat's pretty cool, you know, it's pretty cool. Literally, on his creature villain, he's like a lizard, he's the lizard, you know. Manbat's cool. It's a nice change of pace. There's also, what you might call it, Scarecrow. I do like Scarecrow. I like the whole fear manipulation and he's got some killer costumes. Yeah. Yeah. Now you can't say them. I think, you know, you got, let's see, Manbat, Clayface, Manbat, Scarecrow, Mad Hatter. I think Mad Hatter is very interesting. Very much like a psycho obsessed with Alice in Wonderland. I think it's a good way to use like a public domain character and turn it into a villain, you know. Yeah. I think that's very interesting. I think that's very interesting too. I feel pretty well. Yeah, very much of the era. Mr. Freeze is a classic. I don't know. But what about you guys? What about you guys? I think Poison Ivy has always been a big one for me. Yeah, same. Man, they again shoot the Shoemaker Bama movies. But it's not the same for me there, though, but yeah, no, no, it's, it's like, I respect it. That's where I first learned about the character. Same, same. So, but I think just, just in terms of like very fun villains who I think are very interesting, one of the few people in the Batman Rose Gallery with powers is like very interesting to me, honestly, who is like, is she like officially a metahuman in Poison Ivy? Like by categories, yeah, by categories. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She's like almost God tier. Yeah, she's like, yeah, she's part of the green, which is like a force of the whole world of nature, of plants and stuff, swamping, swamping, yeah, swamping, but yeah, that was a big one for me. And Riddler, and I really like, I really like Riddler. I think I've just genuinely have enjoyed every version of the Riddler, like I've ever seen. Like I like watching the old Batman show Riddler episodes, those are very fun. I couldn't help but love Jim Carrey's Riddler. AKA the Joker, but like it still was fantastic. And like I felt like it still was interesting because the last time we, I think before that the last time they had the Joker was Nicholson's Joker, right? No, before we saw Jim Carrey, before we saw Jim Carrey Riddler. Wait, sorry. What was the? Uh, in movies, in movies. Oh. Yeah. Well, so it was the 60s like Adam West Batman with a Riddler existed. Yeah. And then Tim Burton and then the Joel Shrewmarker movies, which brought in. Joker. Yeah. Joker. Not Joker. Oh, yeah. Joker. Joker. That's what, that's just what I was saying. I was trying to, sorry. I was trying to get the timeline. Oh. Did, did Jack Nicholson as the Joker come up before Jim Carrey played the Riddler? Yeah. Okay. Cause that, cause that was a big thing that for me, cause again, up to that point, because it was like very, you know, via the movies that I knew these characters, I always had, you know, Jack Nicholson's Joker in my mind. So when Jim Carrey did the Riddler, um, it was, it, I didn't, I never made that connection because he, um, because the Joker I saw was very different from that. Jack Nicholson's Joker was a very specific, like type of Joker. Playing of Joker. Yeah. It was like this very like smooth, methodical, like, um, gangster, uh, gangstery Joker, um, um, whereas then they, whereas they made the Riddler in the shoe marker films, just an absolute. Yeah. It's true. Insane bonkers. Like literally brain got electrocuted, mad, mad, like somebody smoking. Yeah. Somebody's smoke a riddle. And my favorite thing about that movie is it's the third one. They called it forever. Yeah. And then the next one is forever Batman and Robin. Yeah. This has already been introduced, like prior. Introduced. Yeah. Should have been Batman, Robin, and Batgirl. That's what they should have called that movie. Basically. This should have commas, commas in there, like Tinker, Taylor, soldier spot. I'll throw in. I'd poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Bane, and their T while we're at, and Woodrow, um, Jason Woodrow. They should call the new movie, like, they should call the new Batman movie, like Batman Nightwing, Batgirl, and Damien Wayne. It's, it's good for the SEO. Yeah. You just type in a fucking, all of it comes up. Perfect. And then also honorable mention to Batman as a villain. Nice. Or, um, specifically dead Batman is, uh, Black Ring, Black Lantern Ring, Batman is one of my, it's just one of my weird favorite times I've seen Batman. It's just him as a black lantern and it hits differently. It's just like, I don't know, he, he just becomes a lot scarier. Oh yeah. Like, I mean, I would say when Batman's like the villain or like, like, I think of, um, I think it's Tower of Babel where Roso Ghoul uses Batman's like contingency plan for the Justice League on the Justice League and it's like, damn, dude, you're fucking dangerous. Like, good thing you're on our side, but then in that case, he's not. So it's like, ooh, you know, my favorite villain. I would just say his ventriloquist when he's written well, he's really funny, especially when he has Socko. That's right. I forget about subway. Which one is Socko? Yeah. So ventriloquist is, there's a character, the original, where it's just this guy with like a ventriloquist dummy that's very like old school 1930s mafia named Scarface who kind of runs the thing and like his whole thing is like, oh, you don't know if the puppet's actually alive or it's the guy that's crazy acting like the puppet's alive and beating himself up. And Socko, particularly, is during Nightfall, Bane's big plan is to like break everyone out of not Arkham Asylum, but the other, or I think the Asylum and then also Blackgate. Blackgate, yeah. And so the ventriloquist, I figured his real name, or whatever, is Alias, where he escapes Albert Wesker. Albert Wesker, yes. He escapes Umbrella Corporation and he doesn't have the dummy Scarface. So he puts us- No, that is his name. Is it really? Yeah. But nonetheless, he still escapes Umbrella, so he puts on a Sock- It ain't an orenthal James situation here. I'm sorry. Go on. No, you're good. And he puts a Socko in his hand and his name's Socko. And then there's a funny scene where once he finally gets the dummy Scarface back, Socko and Scarface get an argument and they shoot each other. So he shoots his hands and it gets such a fucking classic scene. Where they each other? Yeah. Because they're like, it's Socko. It's funny because Socko is like, so the ventriloquist is like, sorry, Scarface is like a dummy. He's a tommy gun. And Socko has a handgun in his hand, which is his mouth, so his talk is muffled too. It's like, it's so fucking perfect. It's such a good scene. That's good. No, why don't you get ready for your dinner? Yeah. I feel like that's a character that could always be put in any kind of like Batman media. Oh, yeah. And it'll hit. It's always going to be a minor appearance, but it's going to be a good hit. Yeah. He's one of my favorite minor ones. I also really like Scarface. Yeah. Well, we can't talk about Scarface. Okay. We'll then clean Scarface. It's true. It's true. I did. I was paying when that was happening. So it doesn't come for me. So it's not true. It's not true. I like Scarface a lot. Yeah. My favorite Scarface story is Scarface. It actually looks crazy. My scarecrow. My favorite scarecrow is in Sandman. It's too powerful. It's too powerful. We're, we're, we're scarecrow pretends to kill himself to scare a fucking murderer or some shit. Yeah. I think, I think it was like in Harley Quinn, the scarecrow. Just in general, though, when they have scarecrow actually look like the monster. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Like, I love like a lot of the different renditions and I like that since his thing is fear and hallucinations, you can really play with that a lot too, and it makes sense. Mm-hmm. I think it'd be fun to see, I don't know, it'd be fun to see like a well done new adaptation with a nice twist to a scarecrow again, even though they just did it in Nolan. I would still kind of want to see it new. I personally think the best scarecrow story is, it's in the new Batman Adventures. It's in, it's one of the animated series. The entire episode, it's like Batman and Batgirl Chase Scarecrow. Scarecrow knocks Batgirl off a building to her death right in front of Commissioner Gordon. Um, Commissioner Gordon Unmaster finds out it's his daughter, uh, goes on a complete manhunt for Batman, and the entire episode, you think that like, holy shit, this is like the last episode of the series, everything's going downhill, and at the end, it's all a scarecrow hallucination, but it's like one of the, it's a really heavy episode. Yeah. Like, it's good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't know how I feel about that, that trope, but that does sound at least interesting. Speaking of, speaking of interesting and speaking of animated shows, new animated shows, Batman, the Caped Crusader came out and, uh, yeah, you know, I've, I've got some thoughts on the show, but I, I think that it's best to break down the characters in like a non-spoiler breakdown rather than doing like a, uh, kind of like a plot breakdown. You know what I mean? Yeah. When we talk about the characters this time, you know, we could kind of go in order from the most important, I feel, or at least, uh, you know, just characters with a lot more significance, um, overall, I liked the show a lot. I thought it felt like a spiritual successor to the animated show from the 90s. Um, sometimes the animation could be a bit flat, uh, but overall, I liked the reinventions of the characters, um, it kind of felt like a mix of Batman, the animated series, and the Batman, like, uh, like it had the character reinventions of the Batman, but the aesthetic of the original series, um, and it's a period piece, you know, so, uh, a lot of different things. I liked the cast and performances, uh, overall, I thought it was a really good show, um, really good show when it was, when it was ordered on Amazon, it was ordered for a two season, like straight to two seasons. Okay. So it's going to get us its second season is whether you like it or not. So it's getting the second one, whether you like it or not, it's going to get a season brace yourself. Let's find out. We like it or not. What do you all thoughts on the whole show? I think I mean, I like just, did you like it, you know, yeah, I mean, as a whole, I thought, um, it was really creative. I thought that, you know, it definitely, it was, it was interesting to get also, it, it gave this like vibe of, I don't know, of like, because we saw so many origins of villains of him, like meeting them for the first time, um, that it was very like early on Batman. It's supposed to be a second early, it's supposed to start on his second week. I think there is a very clear like passage of time. Like they're, I think it has to take place over weeks for sure. Yeah. But they said that the, the, it starts at his second week. Yeah. I think that's also very interesting is that, yeah, you feel that he is just, he is figuring it out right now and kind of like the Batman, the Robert Panzer movie, you know, he's still just like a ball of rage and that's, you press issues. I'll get into, yeah, I want to get into that too, yeah. But because of that, I think it was really interesting how, yeah, I think it was just a really nice take of an early Batman and that's also like kind of symbolized by placing it early in a more period setting and then not letting, and it was nice that they didn't let that hold them back in how they redesigned characters, how they tried to keep characters, how villains fresh and change them up a little bit. They didn't let the period piece, like they, they took what they needed from it being an older setting and then things that they were like, eh, some things we need to change a little bit. They just went ahead and did it. And we're just like, we're just going to all just be like in this world. That's normal. Yeah. And that it all fits. And it worked. It worked really well. Yeah. I also appreciated that too. Yeah. Modern changes without really hyper focusing on them, you know, so kind of picture. Exactly. I like that it's like, feels like it's a bit more mature for like, it's like grown up a little, some of the topics and some of the way that they handled it. I'm trying to think of anything in particular, I just remember, I will say I was also doing some chores during some episodes because just to make sure I finish it in time. But like, I remember watching and just being like, oh man, I'm surprised, like I'm surprised they have lesbians like, you know, in the show, essentially, like, and it's funny because it's funny because I was thinking I was like, oh, that's funny. Both characters, like, they don't, they're both in comics, lesbian characters, but they don't date each other. But then they just got the two and made them, so it's not like they, not gender swap, but like sexuality swap, I guess, any other character, they just like different characters now. It's not actually a change. Yeah. They're just dating someone else or trying to at least, you know, so I like that I did like the not, it's like not too serialized, like, you know, that's the thing, one of my big issues with modern day shows in general is like, you have to watch a whole show like in one sitting, because it's all just one big movie where this is like, here's 10, or whatever, yeah, 10 literally 30 minute episode or less than 30 minutes even, you know. So it's like, oh man, like the old show. So that's why it was nice. I could just throw it on and do some like laundry and stuff like in the meantime or something, you know. I think I should have like two that's, no, you're good. Yeah. And honestly, I liked it. It's fine. I was thinking of X-Men 97 a lot with this because it's like a similar thing where they bring back an old show. I will say I think I like X-Men 97 a bit more than this, than this revival. It's got more to say. I think, I think there's two big issues, they're not big, they're, there's two nitpicks I should say that I have with Batman animated series that I guess I real quick is just one's animation. I wish it was the original animated series or the Cape Crusader. Cape Crusader. I wish the animation was a bit better at points. I mean, I don't like, I don't like 3D and I really don't like it. Yeah. You could notice that a lot of cars, it's like, I get why and I know this had a hard time getting really sunken understand. There's like scenes where like, there's like a shot of the ocean and it's just kind of like a, it's uninteresting to look at, kind of, so I'm like hopefully better animation. And I will say voice acting season two was kind of rough. Yeah. There was one characters voice acting, which I don't know if you want me to get into now that like kind of made me laugh every fucking time. Oh, like, can I, wait, can I, can I guess it? Okay, is it, okay, is it somebody who was really only around when it like for, no, no. Harvey Dense. No. Yeah. That one did actually, that was a weird one too. I recognized, I recognized the actor right away until I could only ever picture him from his other roles. And I'm like, Harvey Dense one sounded kind of off, but the one that really, and it's funny. It's like, they got a comedian to play him. It's funny. The one for me was, I think his name's Hamish Linklater, who plays Bruce Wayne Batman. His Batman, every time he would talk, I mean, he kind of laughed and because I was like, does it sound like him just trying to do like a Kevin Conroy, like in person, he's like, do your own. Like, it just made me laugh because you'd talk and I would just kind of to myself like laugh and like mimic it. But I liked his Bruce Wayne. I thought his Bruce Wayne was fine. I just wish his Batman, he wasn't trying to sound like Kevin Conroy to me. That's why I was a Nick Hit. You know funny enough. I didn't hear it too much. Because it shows, because this is like in his, it's early in his Batman age. Yeah. Like, in my mind, like, he's still kind of very edgy teenager, like in his, like, mentally. And so like, is that kind of like, it kind of read a little bit where like, it's almost like he's not like trying to do a voice. It's just genuinely, he's a moody asshole right now. And so like, that's like, his voice where he just is in private. Fair. Fair. So I think we should start getting into the characters because that's something I actually do want to get into. I think this is a really stunted trauma-ridden asshole version of Batman. And I like it, you know, obviously I'm always ready for like new interpretations, especially when it explores his trauma. And he's just very short with people. He doesn't know how to interact with people properly. Even Alfred. He doesn't even call him by his first name. He's always referring to him as Pennyworth. Yeah. Pennyworth. I think that took me so long. Yeah. The first time you hear him like, I was like, I was like, I don't know if I'm going to like this bad. And then I was like, that's slowly like, they make it made sense because they were like the point. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he doesn't want to think about his trauma. I think it's very interesting. I think that they're, they're probably taking that 1930s like, oh, there's nothing wrong with me approach. I'm just going to keep going on. Yeah. I also feel like this might be the young, one of the youngest versions of Batman that we seen. I think he for me, I feel like he's in his twenties. He's got that kind of like, just a big, he's still a kid. Yeah. Yeah. The biggest like giveaway line for me that was like, I felt like made it very clear how their character eyes again was one that I want to turn into a reaction gift, which is just a penny worth their going. How is therapy master Bruce and he goes pointless, Dr. thinks you can get into my head. Yeah. Yeah. That's so fucking good. And like, I just want to like, I want to just put that on Twitter and just like, be like, yeah, it's like that. Why don't you go see a therapist? Pointless. Pointless. Doctor thinks you can get her in my head. So good. But I like them. I think clearly they're playing with the whole trauma thing and they're going to show that he's going to probably get a bat family at some point and be nice to Alfred. Yeah. What about your dog? What do you think? Yeah. I mean, I said otherwise I liked it. Actually, I think one of my favorite things about the series, who is I felt more invested and I felt like there was more time on the other characters, it reminds me a lot of Gotham Central, which I love. That's the thing. Yeah. That's why when Batman was on- I noticed that too. It was like he's just there to solve or to do his thing, you know? He wasn't really- At Celery character, yeah. Yeah. There's like a couple episodes where we follow Bruce Wayne, you know, and a couple shots of Batman, but I like that it's like we're focusing on Barbara and Renee, all the others, you know. Yeah. Honestly, the first three episodes, which I feel like people would probably be upset about, or at least like dumbasses would be upset about, would be like, oh, the show's woke and fucking it's all about women. But the first three episodes do have like women as primary antagonists and Batman kind of as the secondary antagonist or I said antagonist, I mean, I'm a protagonist. Yeah. I think in the first episode there was a woman for antagonist though, so- You're not wrong there. It was just true. True. People would be mad at it. Yeah. Any other thoughts about Batman? Uh, Batman specifically, like him in the show. Yeah. The only other thing is, is I do, um, he, uh, there's one specific scene that also like we were talking about his trauma and what really speaks to like how they're really leaning in on like the trauma from that event. And it's that scene of him coming to Alfred while Alfred is sleeping as a child. That was legitimately like, I thought that was so great, I don't want to say too much, but just, that was just in the moment where I was just like, oh, he is- Yeah, he's fucked up. Like, yeah. Like, yeah. He's fucked up. He's actually fucked up. Yeah. And he's rich. And that's good. Yeah. And what do rich people who are fucked in the head do spend their money in crazy ways. But you know what? Let's talk about the secondary, uh, uh, supporting characters. You know, you got the Gordon's. You got Renee Montoya and Alfred, um, oh, well, I'll lump them in with the villains when we talk about the villains. Um, but you know, uh, Barbara, Barbara Gordon, she is a defense attorney, that's, uh, that's new. Um, you don't really get much of commissioner Gordon, which is okay, I guess, you know, it's, I don't know. It's, it's okay. It's a lot of Barbara. Yeah. Every, every commissioner Gordon's story, we've kind of, we've already got it. He feels like a good dad in this, like a real big dad in this one more so than the other. Like a dad. Yeah. And they still gave him like a center, a center episode where it like literally was all about like him being in danger. So like, but still like, I feel like, you know, we have a cast. And, you know, so, Barbara, Barbara Gordon, I feel like takes his place as, as, as the Gordon, um, and she's great. You know, she's, uh, she's very much like, uh, uh, what is it, anti recidivism and like, you know, trying to keep people from going to jail and, and, uh, she's, she's, she's great, very well written in the show. Yeah. Um, she works a lot with like the police force, obviously. And it's interesting that there's a, like a tension between her and her dad at all times where she, because she's a public defender and he's a police officer. And like, yeah, he, his whole job is sending people to prison and her whole job. It's, is keeping innocent people out of prison and. Oh, sorry. I was just going to say it, like it's, uh, it's a really great dynamic that like gets to be played on when they show that too. Yeah. Cause even, I like that at points, Barbara argues like, look, these people are like not products of their environment, but they're, they're victims too, you know what I mean? And that's something that's usually overlooked that, you know, the, the things that push these people in a circle into these kinds of situations. But Barbara, you know, um, yeah, I, I, I, I liked their dynamic, you know, the, uh, father daughter, butting heads, um, you know, another person on the police force is Renee Montoya. I thought she was great too. Oh, yeah. Um, the, the aforementioned lesbian one, uh, I was going to say they did a really good job of, uh, in terms of character design, making all of the, like main female characters have very distinctive silhouettes and designs cause that's often a huge, honestly a huge issue in cartoons and comics and stuff is where like, you'll have all these different like body types and people when it comes to the male characters. And then the women will all just look almost exactly the same just with different hairstyles. Um, yeah, it's like this one, I thought they, it was really nice that like every, every character across the board was just incredibly unique. Yeah. Like they made everyone very unique. Um, you know, I like that she gets a, uh, a romance with, well, I guess this is a spoiler. Um, which I don't really, I don't know, uh, spoiler alert, uh, she gets a romance with Harleen Quinselle and I think it's cute and I think it's really earnest and, uh, we'll talk about Harleen later, but, um, it ends in a trope that honestly I love. It's, uh, the whole, hey, maybe someplace, I'll meet you there and I'll go and I'll pick you up and eight o'clock sharp. And then the person goes and the other person gets caught up in some shit and never shows up. Yeah. It's, it's a tragic ending and like it's one of my favorite cliches, honestly. And a poor Renee Montoya, she gets, uh, she, she gets that idea. It's a cold end. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I will say though, I really enjoy that Harleen Quinselle is a like an active character in like the first half of the show, the first, the first, the entire first half of the show, she is an active character as a psychiatrist, which I thought was very important. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll get to it. We'll get to it. We might have something to say about that. Yeah. It's funny. Yeah. Okay. And to, to, to kind of wrap up the civilians, um, I want to talk about Harvey Dent. Mm hmm. How do you guys feel about Harvey Dent? You know, um, I thought it was an interesting take to make him completely unlikable. I thought so too, like I was like, this is new because in my head, I always imagined him like, does this whole point was that he was very likable is that he was the, the good guy, like before he like went crazy, but then this guy, with this guy, it's like, they were like, no, we're going to sprinkle in that he has like, he has obsessive winning tendencies. He is very self obsessed and has, yeah, like we're going to sprinkle it in early so that when it's reversed, it makes perfect sense and it's like, it helped. I like that. Yeah. It feels like it's kind of, I feel like it's very real to like real life where it's like, you see, especially in like the thirties, they were probably like, oh, these guys are nice. These politicians and then it's like behind the scenes. It's like, you know, it's, you know, it's, they're really fucking all, um, have connections with the mob, you know, like it's, they're all kind of in their money somewhere or something. Yeah. And he actually has the split personality. Yeah. He actually has like the, like the literally like, I can't control him like, you know, before he hurts others. I feel like that should have been shown a little bit earlier than it actually is like introduced, but we'll talk about that when we get into Too Faced, obviously. But what you might call it. So I actually, funny enough, I actually liked, I thought, I thought that, um, I think it's some Deidric Baker, or what is it? Deep Ed? The comedian who played him? Yeah. I really liked his portrayal of Harvey Dent. I did. I felt like there was like a, you could hear the sleasiness in his voice and you could, it did feel very like, serial and like 1930s to 1940s kind of esque. And I liked it. You know, I liked his performance. You know, I thought he was unlikable for sure. And then slowly became likable and almost even justifiable at some points. But you know, a fun, fun piece of trivia before we get into the villains. He was, he previously voiced Batman in Batman, the Brave and the Bold. And he was previously in Napoleon Dynamite as a rex guando, which is one of the fucking, one of my favorite bits of like, Oh, that's so good. So good. Oh, yeah. I remember him from the Drew Carey show. Fun fact. Yeah. That's right. That's right. He was the Kramer. He was Kramer. He was the Kramer and Kramer. Yeah. He basically. Drew Carey. Yeah. The original actor. Yeah. And Drew Carey. Drew Carey was, uh, what should we call it? A true face. It was as if Costanza was playing Jerry Seinfeld. Do you know what I mean? I kind of. Yeah. Only it was like very, I don't know, he always felt we're, we're, yeah, it was very, it was very Midwestern. Yeah. That's, it's very, it's very Ohio. Yeah. I was just a huge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not to fucking get in a Drew Carey talk. Yeah. Well, welcome back to the Drew Carey episode. Hi. Welcome to the Drew Carey's cousin. Yeah. Everybody knows DC stands for Drew Carey. Of course. Perfect. Perfect. Fun fact. Dave Mustaine did a guest spot on the Drew Carey show. We played guitar when they were auditioning for my favorite batman's the Drew Carey one. I like Ryan Styles, personally, but, you know, mine's the Jim Carey one. Mm hmm. Wait, I'm going to see, I'm going to see if there is a picture of him dressed as Batman for some reason. Sure. Shall we pause? Okay. Let's go ahead and stop. Yeah. Yeah. And then Dietrich Bader is round. You're going to stop at the same time? What? Because they're really sending the group check. Okay. I'm curious to see. Yeah. There's, it's, it's not a, sorry, I was incorrect. It's not Drew as, uh, it's his two friends as Batman and Robin. And so it has the Dietrich Bader as Robin. Here you go. All right. You know, uh, it took a, took a nice little heroic break there after talking about all the, uh, protagonists and good guys in, uh, in Batman Caved Crusader. Um, how are you feeling? How are you? How are y'all feeling? To get into our weeks. Feeling good? My week. Yeah. Let's get back into our weeks. Sick boys. Yeah. We took a week long. It's rewinded. Yeah. Um, now let's get into the villains, you know, the, uh... Yeah. The K-crucier villains. It's just a little origin about the word villain. You know, when you think about it, it was a, it was first created when, um, it was a doctor said to his friend, you're very ill, Ian. Mm. To his friend, Ian. And just he kept saying that and to his friend Ian. Well, yes. No, not to his friend Chris. That would be weird But he's like God, I got it. There's got to be a easier way to say this You're starting to know this up a nickname for one person that grew to me something completely very ill Ian Very ill and and he was told he was ill so much that he developed a hatred for doctors and he started Killing people and killing doctors and he became a became a true villain Because then they referred to him as vile. Yeah, let's shorten funny enough So I think it all stemmed from his mom and who she wants tagged a nest It's pretty like I think that trauma alone It said I'm on that path. Yeah And tag Like in front of him. Yeah, got bad. Yeah, okay That was the most like Batman now turned bad for good. It's like Batman. So let's talk about the the show's very ill eons Um, I guess starting with the very first episode. We got penguina Charlie pink Yeah, penguin zero um penguina. Yeah, you know, how do we feel about her? I loved her personally. I love that she used Everyone's like the fact that they overlooked her because she was a woman, you know Like they just didn't notice anything that she was doing just because I didn't think she was capable enough. Yeah, I also like that she her Like her whole like top hat and cane shtick Like she does it because that's her main gimmick as a burlesque performer, which is Or cabaret. Yeah, and I was like that was very cool I was gonna say I know it's funny because like when I saw her at first I was like, oh like that must be just like the penguins like entertainment is dressed like him You know because I didn't know there was a gender swap and then like later. It's like oh, it's it's actually that is the penguin I was cool. It's penguina. Yeah, I Was walled. I don't like her name though. I was walled. Yeah. Yeah, I think they should just given her I'm fine with it. I don't really care for the name as well. I was walled. I read it's like Yeah, when I think when I think of us walled. I think of like a Latina with like Sharpie eyebrows, you know I mean, yeah, but she's it's the 30s, so they don't have sharpies yet, but that's just me. They don't trust me It wasn't invented yet. She she actually sharpies. Yeah, then I'm trying to be funny enough Well, she's like why I need a Sharpie It's me penguina Here's my version, I would like that eyebrow pencil. Yeah, one eyebrow pencil. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that's mine That's like overall though. Yeah, like I liked how fucked up she is. I feel like Like I mean, I don't I guess without spoilers. Yeah, she's just she's a fucked up like trying to become like head honcho of the Like cry like of crime. I guess and Gotham It's not too different from like regular penguin outside of just gender swap and has kids now So it's like but it's cool. It's it's yeah Do you want to see the same thing over and over again, you know like you could get the same elements of penguin and Just have it be something new and there's a lot of characters like that Throughout this who's the second villain? Who's this? Oh, my personal favorite clay face Only a good one. This was a really good episode a nice horror. You know, I've done it thriller One thing I loved in the credits, so the first episode I saw the credits of like producers It's pretty stacked cast but the one that threw me off. I didn't expect to see was Ed Brubaker Edward Baker stuff. He's really good at crime and mystery and stuff, and I was almost like I wonder if you wrote for any of I didn't check Oh, yeah, if he was right in it, but like baby. Yeah Baby J-Brams was the surprising executive producer for me Yeah, and Matt Reeves baby J-Brams and Matt Reeves is pretty stacked and Ed Brubaker. It was like a fat stat like yeah They have clay face But we're not talking about the writers. We're talking about. I just bring that up cuz like and I wonder if Brubaker wrote cuz Such good mystery crime guy. Oh, that was such a good like noir crime. That was his episode like mystery. Yeah Basil Carlo my favorite face based off 1930s actors Basil Rathbone and Boris Karloff both of them both of them were in like the castle of Frankenstein or like the castle of Dracula or like one of the classics 1930s there's a lot of like 1930s 40s Um like Easter eggs just to like cinema in general in this episode It was really cool really good episode, but I love I mean I love clay face. I love that they basically And it's not really a spoiler in this, but he is an actor and It's I don't know if they've done this one yet. I feel like it's a mix of his like shape shifting abilities and his OG like he's just kind of like a slasher. Yeah, yeah, where He's a murderer, but he could still like transform his face. You know what I mean, but it doesn't last It's always temporary just his face. Yeah, because we're like head probably Yeah, yeah, just his face. You know what I mean? We're like the other comics or like even the animated series It's been like okay now he could he's a full-on like metahuman that could like uh like shape shift he's a full-on shape shifter But in this it's just his face and then he has to actually act and and you know Changes voice and stuff. So I like that. I like that. I feel like that's new, but still familiar and his uh Design is badass. I love it. Yep. And I liked yeah, even down to Even down to his actual his design when he's in his neutral like clay face form the like bant little bandit get-up he has on very much an homage to like those uh those shadow talkies. Yeah, like the shadow like Yeah, the talkies. It was It was very cool. And I liked how a bit of a spoiler, but like he When he snaps and he tries to like kill people he does so by like Making scenes. Yeah, like recreating his his movie scenes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I and it was cool because he it's cool They like he was an actor who always had to play the villains because of what he looked like Mm-hmm. And all you have and what he was to be the leading man His design in the show is basically Boris Karloff Frankenstein Um, which I loved I loved because it was like oh, yeah, it looks just like him. Um, my favorite line from him is uh, what was it? I found villain was the part I was born to play. I'm like, oh you're hamming it up. That's good I was it was funny when I forget who it was but it was on the pendulum table And I think whoever was saving him. I forget the details, but I think they got her like arms And I was like, okay, you've probably got enough of her. You can just fold her and like, yeah, you can she can move her out of the way It's like yeah, it's part of the drama. It was the 30s. They didn't think of that stuff back then. Yeah, people people couldn't bend you that way But it's fine. All right next episode Next episode next character central focus, uh cat woman. I Love this episode. I love cat woman. I love I love brat nepo baby cat woman Brad nepo baby cat woman. What if batman grew up happy? Um She has her own maid. She treats like shit. Yeah It's uh, it was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun seeing her just like not learn a lesson Learning all of the wrong lessons throughout the episode She was just uh, it's christina richy having a lot of fun. Um, very interesting design like a reminiscent of her like, uh, oh gee stuff like the Yeah, I thought it was interested it was interesting to have like the slitted dress look Rather than the tight suit and stuff suit the night gown. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's like more reminiscent of her earlier days Yeah, I liked her a lot. I liked this episode a lot It's fun. It's a good one. Mm-hmm. I like your chemistry, you know, it's like not much to say because it's like kind of like, uh She was uh, she was a delight. Yeah, she's charismatic, but also like An act just like a like I don't know what's the word a jackass. No like like it's just like a nepo baby like Kind of a word for it, but you know She's a spoil. She's a spoil, she's a spoil that it's like fucking there's a point Yeah Spoilers, um At the end of the episode where she tries to get bailed out so she calls her maid and she's like, hey, I need your help And she's like, no, I sold out your shit like for all the money you owed me like buy free and then and then uh, uh Selena Kyle hangs up the phone and looks at the cob next or next to her goes what a crook Yeah It's pretty funny. It's got a lot of like genuinely funny lines like Good. Yeah It was I also liked the this was the episode where Bruce had to start seeing Harleen quinzel in therapy because he offered his mother's gems and other uh jewelry as a exhibit for the museum for his temporary exhibit and heard that photographer like talking crap about his mom and basically victim shaboo victim play bigger and uh and so he punched him and it was like That was and those there i'm so happy it started because those therapy scenes are some of the most interesting To me and the heart and harleen's ability to immediately see through Just sucks us it out like yeah, like she's like, no, this is all this is all an act I loved I love harleen. I love harleen. She's uh, you know, not really talking about her in the first half, which we should have uh, really great psychiatrist, um, yeah really good therapist, I guess uh, uh She was like, you know Keeping in mind that batman has all of this trauma Once he goes to therapy, the fact that she's immediately calling out like, whoa Some fucked up shit happened in your childhood that you do not want to fucking take care of Like, and bruce wane is like, no Anyways, like it's uh, it's it's it's it's it's good. It's good Very good because like the whole story like bruce wane's parents dying when he was a child Like his public knowledge. Oh, yeah And so like she's like She's like obviously you you have to have a reaction to this. Yeah, it's just half to it That's just because you're somehow And because he's so Insistent on playing the character of bruce wane and having nobody like, uh, see through the facade He is being incredibly fake And so there's oh no he's such a fake piece of shit. Um top ed speaking of the penguin anina episode Um, there's a point where Where bruce wane falls Bruce wane has to swim underwater and he hops up and he sees barber gordon And he's just like, oh, it's not a party until someone falls over board And she looks at him like, okay, whatever And then bruce turns to like the two women right next to him and he's like, oh, it's not a party until someone falls over board Yep And they eat that shit up It's so funny too because they They basically imply that that was one of the moments of that made barber gordon Like basically instantly figure out that he was batman Well, I don't know if that's like, I don't think I don't know. I don't think they really hint at that later Oh, I felt that's I don't know I can see that when she talked about how she how she met batman and he has a nice car and like I could see like suspicion. It felt like yeah, I could feel like she was getting suspicious of him. Maybe or something Yeah I can see that but You know now we're talking about firebug who I guess is Yeah The weakest slash maybe most sympathetic I guess because he he is the one that is just like mentally ill and well He was he was pulled out of arkam asylum by harvey and flask Who are two crooked cops? Very shitty cops on the like mafia payroll. I think penguins payroll as well Um, they pull this uh villain out to basically draw the batman out. Um, yep And in doing so they cause like a couple apartments to burn down like it's uh, it's Pull building Yeah like, I don't know firebugs uh like It was the weakest but like I felt bad for him, but there wasn't much to say it was uh Kind of a mid episode. I guess yeah the episode wasn't really about him It was really more just about the cops trying to up the antics to bring out the batman Yeah and about how the cops are targeting batman now and so he was more like a means to an end for the story to like keep moving forward Exactly. Yeah, that was an episode. That was definitely like, okay Here's the like human. I mean not human but the police and like Barbara like storyline kind of focused because batman I think in that one too is like He's just in the background. I don't even if I don't remember if he shows up at all on that episode outside of like getting firebug He does show it's so funny. He's the one he shows up at the end. Yeah, you're right It's funny because he does it's like as they keep do upping the antics and doing all the stuff He keeps showing up just to like peek over rooftop and like look at he sees someone getting mugged But then he looks and he sees the squad cars like the undercover cops and he's like and then just see his face And that's like your y'all narks, right? Y'all ain't narks. Are you? And then that moment when montoya, which she's like, oh we should have had men on the roof I'm like that's the first thing you should have figured out Yeah So how he travels exclusive Yeah Next no, he's got a car. He's got a close. Can't be exclusive if he's got a car and a grapple hook um Okay next episode Real deal harley quinn. This is one of the best episodes too. It's holy shit. It's like What I think it might be my favorite might be my favorite Um, I said first her her redesign I love her redesign. I love the orange or the yellow and green Yellow green black like black with green highlights. It's uh, yeah It's so good so good the uh kind of like a motionless face um I mean, we talked about harley and quinzel. She's a very competent therapist. She could see through people's bullshit She's uh, spoiled music. She's gay. She looks also cool, which I think in this makes sense for this time Absent yeah, which is okay, which is nice. I thought that was also very interesting. She is capable of this She is treated as her own fully fledged Rogues gallery villain. Yeah who is independent has her own motives and personality and everything and is completely separate from Joker, which I think is like Finally good to see it like like she they've developed her so much that she can stand on who she mostly is and how they didn't even They can make her Yeah, I mean she she has been able to stand on her own for a long time now one thing But now it's just a new origin story. That's completely removed from joker. It's not just one thing. I'll really this is what i've been waiting for all episode There's just like this was like it was funny to me because I was I watched this on prime and and the thumbnail her costume looked black and white more so And when bruce started going to therapy, I was like, oh god instead of joker Is it gonna be Batman? Is the like replacement win inspiration for her? Like maybe she like does through therapy finds out and I was like, oh god Like is that what they're gonna do? But then it was like, oh no, it's it was I like this way better the way that she's she's almost more of a vigilante in her own right in this She that's yeah, that's what I was gonna say Thing she is a vigilante like she's not really a villain. Yeah. Yeah, she's like I mean shit. You could which I guess now she is She very much is in the comic books and you know in media. So of course, why not just make her that but in a different way Which I think is a dead hole in the universe robin hood And this she's robin. Oh, she's uh Which is funny because you know two episodes prior you see that Harleen quenzel is very insistent on getting bruce wane Into her like weekly sessions, you know, and then a couple episodes later You see that uh, she's been doing that to a lot of different millionaires And she's basically spoiler alert She's stealing all of their funds diverting them into like women's charities different like like community non-profit stuff like And uh, she's basically giving back to the community and like by stealing from these uh, wealthy millionaires You're giving me sick dollar. Yeah, and then also driving them insane to the point of killing themselves afterwards Do they kill themselves like PG 13 if I probably yeah Well, the whole thing starts with a case of them finding one guy who immediately Who died and they found out that he had He did he died? Did he get hit by a car? Not king-tut they were there when they're investigating what happened to king-tut They discovered that this happened with a with a different billionaire who Gave away all this stuff and then killed himself and then also later on There's that other guy who tries to jump off the roof. Yeah, and he tries to kill himself too It could be me so they're also like kind of programmed to kill themselves after that or maybe they're just like oh I'm trying to fight this like, you know, so they end up killing them, but either way It doesn't end well for them. It's uh, yeah, she was uh, she was great. She was played by Jamie Chung. She was from um, uh, sucker punch the dragon ball evolution um Lovecraft country starring uh, jonathan majors Yeah, she's uh, she was great. She was great. Very calculative very cold. Um, not funny, but you don't need it Don't need her to be funny. She's very uh, uh Just sarcastic. Yeah Sarcastic without being like, uh, what's the word for it? deadpan She was very deadpan. I'm wondering too because um tim Burton or nap tim bern was a boost him created her. I wonder if that's why she was like such a I don't know. Maybe they put more thought into her. Oh, yeah, he said he's like he's my he said yeah he said he wanted to do like Reinventions. He wanted to do stories that he couldn't tell in the 90s. So it's very it's cool. It's cool. Okay Where's that later? Onomatopoeia. Oh onomatopoeia. I didn't see this episode. It was not aware of this guys I didn't see this episode before I was busy during this one. So I missed this This one well truly he's a mob. He's like not that important in the episode to be Nah, not at all. He's a hitman. He's a hitman mobster. He's just a hired gun I mean in the comics. I think he made one appearance hard to take out or one actual good appearance And then everything's not been good since I think And he's and he's a green arrow villain. Is he that's funny? Really? Yeah. Yeah, he's not even Batman villain Good on them for picking like the weirder like someone new But he has no he was so funny He has no origin story Uh, he's just a fairly strong guy who might be like not like he might be invincible But he just survives everything and he's really fast and like he's got like really good reflexes He's based in this episode. He's basically on par with batman um and his whole thing is that he If he's gonna shoot somebody he points his finger and goes bang and then Someone else shoots him or I don't know like he'll go when he hit throws a punch. He goes bang pop, you know On a monopious. Yeah, he just he just only speaks in on a monopious When he was tracking the car by the motor oil drops. He just looks at them and goes blip drip blip blip blip blip blip blip And he goes ding Like I like I don't it's so funny because he's like he's obviously just crazy honestly and I think that's like It's just like all batman villains. Like the reason why they're strong or like impressive is usually because they're insane And he's got like 10 guys following them that are just like yeah, this is the boss Yeah, and this they basically make him like they imply that he is the leader of this like Organization of hitmen where basically they call it higher higher organization and it's like kind of crazy. I was like Especially when they do the when they do the reveal at the end of who ordered the hit All I was thinking I was just like damn. That's a lot of pull to have from in prison And just be some guy Some dude worked for a mob boss. How did you get these guys? How'd you have enough money to afford like the best hitman association in the world like But he was he was fun. Very silly. Very silly. Um But was he is he as silly as a gentleman ghost? How about that? No, he's still not as silly as a gentleman ghost And I was an actual ghost Is in this and he is he is in this and harley quinn is in this as polar opposites Exactly. I was just about to say a robin hood and reverse robin hood reverse robin literally I wish so during that episode this episode. I was making like so many jokes I fucking wish I wrote him down. It was funny. But I'm sorry. Just like It was a silly episode. Oh, no, you're good It was a silly episode I didn't expect it to be an actual ghost. I thought it was gonna somehow be a guy That was using projection and and I thought so too some kind of alchemy, but no, it's a ghost Um, and they have to go to pop a midnight, which I thought was cool. Makes me wonder if we're gonna see like a 1930s constant time. I was wondering I thought I was gonna be Jason blood honestly when he went and then he's like, oh You know pop a midnight. I was like, oh shit. Like that's cool. Someone knew different Or like not new, but you know what I mean new for Batman I do love that that that they're really like we're rebooting Batman and in this way this goes to real I was like fuck. Honestly like and vampires have heard in slightly you know like start off like mostly serious and eventually I'm sure if this gets to like season three or four, I'll be like completely crazy Well, what I like is that each episode kind of felt like a different like film from the 30s You know what I mean? Like a different kind of serialize like you got your uh crime caper You got like a horror movie. You've got like the the count of Monte Cristo almost A magical thriller. Yeah, it's I liked it. This was the spooky one ghost. You know, he's a I know this is a spooky fun ghost story uh what he's a 18th century or like the Englishman from the 1800s that uh That basically what was it? He had his land Why did he want to steal money from the poor is because he didn't like that the rich were being taxed because he was like He basically had that he was They literally they literally explained that he was born to inherited wealth and literally just because of that He grew up believing that wealthy people were a higher ruling class of people that were supposed to control society And uh, he didn't he wanted he believed that poor people deserved to stay poor and give themselves like give their money to like the rich rulers and he like like like there wasn't like a specific event they referenced and literally just said Because of how he was raised in way what in his background. He's just yeah I think wasn't he like but he's so much of an asshole that he Uh, refused to ever sell his land and keep it at all time and Then he turned into smoke. Yeah You're such an asshole turned into smoke He's such an asshole. He went poof Maybe i'm wrong, but like at the end in two it felt like he was very much like he was a plantation owner with like slaves I mean and then because Because though he hasn't pop him in it has an interaction with the ghost in the sense to me at least where it was like Oh this fucker. Yeah, i'll take i'll take the like i'll take the ghost, you know, like Kind of indicating like i do love that the guy that the ghost at the end was like Yeah, oh no, he's gonna put me in his ass I'm gonna put this guy in my ass That's why they called me pop him midnight because i always Put things in my eyes. Okay All right speaking of midnight, you know, I think we we got it with the gentleman ghost. He was kind of a dick, you know Um or he was a dick Bad bloke he gets taken out in a uh in a mystical manner Yeah, but you know what at the end of that episode he manages as Batman does a ritual to take away uh gentleman ghost corporeal form Uh, he turns into smoke and manages to infect alfred and possess him And and he says some shit like oh alfred's holding a secret that he doesn't want to tell you and then he fucks off and dies not alfred Gentlemen good. Yeah. Yeah, or he gets turned back into smoke and put into a violin then pop him midnight put some in his but i wonder I wonder what that secret is I killed your parents master bruce. It's me. Oh, no It's me I can't believe you did that anywhere in fucking edgius. Fuck And then she's crossed shadow the hedgehog in my trapper keeper and They're all good They're all gonna pay and you're gonna help me Any uh Any more thoughts about gentleman ghost gentleman ghost gg not really it was it's pretty cut and dry honestly because they made him so overtly like I'll outright villainous. Yeah, I thought they would like reference the king family, but I don't think they did I got that he was gonna be part of the king family at one point, but then maybe they just Also, because he's a racist. I think canes were mentioned. Okay. I'm gonna miss that part I think maybe not in this, but I do remember hearing cane and being there. Oh, I think it's like the wanes cousin There are like another yeah, like Yeah, it's just another wealthy family. It's where bat woman comes from particularly is what am I interest? Yeah Um, what am I interest? I see I see another lesbian represent yeah So speaking of lesbians Speaking of lesbians. Uh next is nocturna. Um She's not a lesbian, but she is a little girl. Oh, okay. Girl vampire. That's right Right, I legit forgot about her. Well, which I'm like Whatever she's it's okay. She kills her brother. She's a little girl energy vampire That like feeds on little kids. Well, I guess she feeds on everybody But that's basically the gist of her character that she's an energy vampire but in this episode you get introduced to all of the robins at once and uh, At first, you know, they introduce who they are they're confirmed to be all J. Yeah, okay Dickey jc. Fucking uh, what was it? Um The tim is the only one that's always so they have damian carry And damian so it's carry Sophie's jase and dick Unless he's yeah, I guess it could be a father So Once they introduce one, I'm like, oh my god Are they gonna introduce another one and then they did they introduce another one? I might watch they're gonna do all of them and then they did and then I was like Yeah, well If batman saved all of them in this night, then they would all Probably get inspired by batman. Yeah, and i'm sure from there. They would all want to be like Repeat like curives, you know, let's all be batman. Yeah, let's all be batman together Batman. Yeah, I thought it was gonna be like a little like oh, it's a little easter egg reference like ha ha I didn't see it as them actually being the real but I don't know No, yeah, I wonder how they're gonna do robin if they do robin They'll be it'd be very interesting to see is you imagine they'd have to they're they're gonna reinvent it in some way themselves boy I want to see I want to see mentally unwell Bruce Wayne adopt a child like I want to see it happen. I want to see the one constant Charles abuse All right, who's next Uh, because I don't know that's it for nocturna, right? Yeah Um, I believe it's the two-face episode after that, right? Two-face the two-face two-parter in classic fashion almost in every other in every other series he gets a two-part No, I gotta go because I'm double par I like that my favorite two-face is the one from uh star kids, uh, holding musical batman um Where he where all of the villains in that musical just are constantly making puns every single line They have in the entire show is upon as upon in it And uh, yeah, it's he's pretty I've not seen Oh my musical bat god. It's crazy. Like how I feel like you would love it. It's so funny two-face harvey two-face, okay, so I forgot when exactly he gets guard, but uh, harvey dent has you know, he's a uh He's an attorney just like in the comic books. Um, but he's also running for mayor and He's so desperate to win that he's starting to take deals from mob bosses He ends up not following through on one of the promises he made with mob boss and gets uh half of his face coverage and acid And basically has a psychotic break. Um but it's interesting how much of like A smarmy asshole. He's played in the first half of the show And you don't really get the good side bits of like of him. Yeah of his good side Well, you do but you get very little audience knows, but you also don't get bits Yeah, but you also don't get bits of his like Split personality. I feel like that's that's that my main thing that I don't I don't like Um, yeah, because it's just like I feel like that kind of came in last minute at the end but in the comic books does he does he have a tendency to have a split personality to see split personality before he gets Probably on the comic. Oh Big bad harvey usually his uh Like repress kind of like bully side that that like He kind of has to keep away. That's usually what But it is. Yeah, I think that's like probably why he overcompensates so much by trying to be like Trying to be perfect. I feel like dark night. Um, what is it dark night? Just or is it just dark night? Uh, the null one one is probably like the best iteration just dark night I would say it's probably the most It's see but the thing is that in the show I like I like this show. I think the most honestly for the the like harvey's two face Um, I I think mainly for the same reason that I loved uh harley quinn is that they're very much more like vigilantes at the end like like like the the this two part or felt like at the end it felt like harvey dense like dirty harry or harvey dense just like uh It's his death wish like he's going out. He's going guns blazing and he's getting revenge on the people that like fucking over And um, I thought that was something where I was like, holy shit like I am rooting for Harvey like I think he's totally justified like it sucks that he had this mental break and like yeah, he killed people um I don't know. I thought that it was really I Really liked it. I just wish there was more of the like oh, I have the split personality that I'm battling And he you know, it's like maybe that could have led Into like his decision making into like why he originally took the deal and then it's like much more of a conflict When he gets revenge like I don't know it's just it could I feel like they could have done more with that, but still he came out as one of my like favorite thing would have been cool, which maybe I don't know if they could have expanded on I think it would be kind of Realistic too is if it's like I'm trying to do how like maybe that's like Harvey has like a picture of like his family or something And it's like oh when he started off he meant, you know, hit all the good intentions, but then you know being the da he found he had to like Slowly become more Like into the dark side and you know, you kind of see that clash and then yeah, like kind of just see that clash between bold bad more Because that's how they describe him is they do they gave you they basically describe him as He's somebody who cares about justice who does care about doing the right thing but Is still has an ego like basically like the way they're like their version of his two sides And this is mainly the two sides between his Like do get her side his white knight side and his ego surrounding like himself and literally his face too Like there's times where you can tell he literally is very like his literal facial image He is obsessed with and I think that's part of like because they make him egotistical in that in this It like further fuels the reason why he goes through the break when his face gets melted Because he is so obsessed with his image quote unquote both literally and metaphorically That that's that that's the thing that will push that pushes him over the edge. I thought that was really cool Yeah, I I really liked him. Um, spoilers Sucks he died. I mean I think that's what gave more impact to like the story and like his kind of revenge quest Especially since dark knight one too. Yeah, that too. Yeah, yeah that too. Especially the fact that like Barbara Felt like sympathy at the end or she was like like I fucking hated this guy the whole time But at the end they were like very much like that. I mean they were handcuffed together I I liked that, you know like uh It was good. It was good. It was very I didn't expect that from like I didn't expect to feel that way about two face Um, but yeah, I thought it was great Makes a lot of sense. I think it helped It helped make him more easy to relate like easier to relate to in this one because the fact that when he had his break he was going after like Just mobsters whereas like in the dark knight for example when he had his break He was going after gordon and gordon's kids and it was like Like that wasn't come on. It was a little hard to believe he went straight from like Straight from pure good guy to literally murdering children It was like that's because the joker told him to joke about it a little bit and then the two face said the two face And the two faces like I'm gonna face them twice Speaking of the joker joke in a bit, um, we get a little glimpse of the joker at the end. Um, yeah Interesting take Interesting, you know, it's uh, it's you don't get much of them But I'm sure he's gonna look exactly like the 1930s look Um, he's wearing a trench coat already Uh, you don't get much but you get a little bit of a voice. I don't know if the voice actor has been credited but um He's very very very much a got a deep voice. Yeah. Very deep. Huh? Very nice A dark like, uh, eerie sinister like perfect. Yeah. Yeah, which I can't have your, have your, uh Mardem. Oh like style. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah Like what a fucking get Him like I was just saying like I love the like his victims like all Like laughing themselves to death like they're like yellow sickly yellow looking like love that Um, I guess, uh, just before we do plots or something. All right. Those were uh, yeah, you know, those were the final thoughts. Do you guys have any? Anything you want to say any any Anything you want to see for season two any villains? Um Riddler I would love to see another Yep, scarecrow and both of them being you know, the old the older versions with a twist like this show's doing. I That could be very interesting. I thought it'd be funny if Riddler was a like game show host. That'd be cool Um Like, but the thirties Yeah, that's the only issue is that like Doesn't that really? Yeah, this Do they have TVs? No, did they? Yeah, they do have they already have television? I don't know though because they They have movies, but I don't I don't know if they haven't had television. Do you think I believe they have tv. They just fell behind the way. There's like What's playing? Hey, but you know scarecrow I want to see scarecrow in a biplane or a straight plane. It doesn't matter um Oh, um Poison ivy. Oh, yeah, I'm down for whatever. Honestly, like I don't really I'm like, yeah, give me whatever like as long as it's like You know, you same kind of like change it up. You know Oh, uh, we got killer croc. I guess a cameo. Yeah, we got a cameo of killer croc in the nocturna episode And I remember being like just like some yeah, he's one of my friends when he's like, I'm looking for two girls Two little girls. No, I swear like and then all the carnival They're like, did you break through that fucking wall? Oh, you want to look for little girls? I'm like, no, it's like dude really like that That was so funny. It's like you broke. Just say there's two Children missing like the loss to their kid or you know, like So funny. Don't just say you're literally looking for little girls bruce. Come on Such an idiot incapable of talking to people He just like a batman too But I don't like I said, I don't Well, I like the it's a batman. That's not that smart. He's learning these early years All hubris so they keep doing these like batman. It's his early years Like the bat reads one is like his early years too and this one I want to see batman before he's batman, but when he's a little kid Early, you know what I mean? I want to see the ops. I want to see him like in the grave almost like one foot in the grave Now that we're talking about some spoilers too I just want to say that kid see that where he's just like staring. I'm gonna talk about it again and again, but that's Staring wide-eyed at alpha. He's talking like a little kid in a horror movie where he's like where he's like I'm gonna kill all the fucking criminals in the city You're gonna be my Help me and you're gonna fucking help me Because if you don't you're out on the fucking street, you're back to the fucking UK. You son of a bitch you hear me. What a show That was my final thoughts Love love on hinge kid. Yeah. Yeah, I was just overall Yeah, overall where are we gonna say over good show? Just a lot more like this is funny enough I want more keep the same for this show Just yeah, I think season two keep it more like more of the same in that it's good and fix the animation and have better animation better animation please there are so many times where it was like Yeah, rough I want scarecrow in a biplane like I want the uh gotham-heedy blimps Maybe the bat. Oh, you know, I did I do miss the blibs. Yeah. Yeah, but you know Uh, what do you say we get into some plugs when we blimp our plugs a little bit? Um, I'll go first I'll plug my instagram gibbling and I'll plug a no-dum idea and tower the fool All on instagram All on instagram all on email Um, I'm gym later date on everything if you need if you got to find me Other than that that's all and you can reach me at the dollar dot art on instagram. 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