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Big D Energy | Monday, August 12th 2024
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The man to my right is the esteemed Sean Bellagian in the building. And we also have KG in the sound booth and Spencer Raxter in the TD booth. What a day that we have for you guys today. Big D? Absolutely. It's going to happen sometime. We are filling in for Neil Rule and Darren McCarty. And I love doing this show because it is on the eve of the United States men's basketball team. Pulling out gold in France. Sean Bellagian, how you feeling today? Excellent man. Fantastic watch. You know, I don't give a crap how it gets done. You're always going to get the comparisons to 92. I can't stand the generational arguments. I can't give these guys their flowers. They got the job done. They absolutely did. One hundred percent. And we're going to talk more about the Lions moving forward. We have an interesting Tigers topic too that I'm curious to get everybody's opinion on. We're going to talk a little bit more about the Olympics. Maybe even squeeze in a Red Wings one since Sean Bellagian is on the desk since. I know hockey is your favorite sport. We did it just for you. Even, I mean, just because it's you. I'm sure if Neil and DMACC were here, we do it too. But it's, but you know what? It is all well and good. But how you guys feeling KG? USA, right? Yes, sir. USA. USA. Man, great basketball game to finish by Steph Curry in the fourth quarter. Absolutely amazing, but I don't want people to take away from. Look, Captain America being a steady force. This whole Olympic run, man. I think he had a double double in his game. The pick and pop game between him and Curry was unbeatable. Absolutely. Spenny, I know you were as excited as anybody about USA's gold medal. Oh, yeah, man. I, you know, I love the Olympics. I'm a big Olympics guy, so it was great to watch. It was just insane watching him do that at the end of the game. You know, four in a row to ice the game was awesome. But yeah, LeBron, like people were freaking out that LeBron won the MVP. But he has been the best player on this team all Olympics long. So yeah, I had some not worried about that. LeBron played his ass off. He deserved it. Did you guys see the on france, a video of the call on Steph Curry? Yeah. Oh, the devil named Steph Curry. This devil named Steph Curry. This devil must be stopped. I mean, it's just common. Look, we were having some fun with this before the show started. Okay. Let me give a wink, wink and trying to get him ticked off. But I'm with you. Like everybody's going to talk about Steph Curry because it's the moment. Yeah. That's the way it is. Yeah. And I firmly believe quite frankly, Steph doesn't get his flowers because he changed the NBA. Yeah. Period. End of story. But KG like him or not. LeBron's phenomenal. Yeah. Just give it what he's 40 years old, man. And they don't make it that far without him playing top level basketball. No, I thought I remember watching the first Serbia game. And Serbia's got a good little team and, you know, contrary to what people out there think. Believe it or not, there are some other countries in the world that are born and do a good job. And I think we saw that with Serbia twice in particular the second time and certainly with France. But like when LeBron took that game over in the third quarter. Yeah. I don't know if you guys saw it. It was like, okay, dude, you know, and you guys, come on. He's going to be 40 years old for goodness sake. I'm sorry that counts for something. You got to give him his love for that. Of course it counts for something. And for people who want to say that we try to have it both ways when we use the whole age argument. It's because it's unprecedented. It's unprecedented what LeBron James is doing at damn near 40 years old. And let me just say this because I want to give all of the credit to where it is due. Because historically, I've not been much of a Steph Curry fan. I think he often gets put in conversations that he doesn't belong in. However, that being said, I know, being a Steph Curry fan, I guess, is the craziest thing. Not a Steph Curry fan surprise me ever. However, that shooting display he put on at the end of the fourth quarter in the game against France. Knocking down four dagger threes was maybe the greatest display of shooting I've ever seen. Particularly with that last shot when he was double teamed. It was just absolutely phenomenal. He's the greatest shooter who ever lived. And he played like it. He played like it in the Olympic final. And he was phenomenal in the game against Serbia as well. So Steph Curry, congratulations. You know what? Honestly, Steph Curry may have just entered my top 10. My personal top 10. Maybe. Can you believe that was his first gold medal? I can't believe it. Like blew my mind. I couldn't believe it. I mean, to me, I think when you change the game, literally anybody out there wanted deny that Steph Curry hasn't changed the NBA. Analytics had something to do with it. Well, come on. It was Steph Curry. Yeah. Come on. But anyway, listen, when you change a game, I think flannel, you're right. You have to elevate that dude. I mean, I can't stand the term generational talent. People throw it out there, you know, like Oprah given cars away. You're a generational talent. You're a generational talent. It doesn't work that way. It's too easy to just say generational talent. But the guys that change a game are generational talents. And more often than not, it's the guys that, you know, even if you talk to the old school guys, like I didn't see Bobby Orr, okay, didn't see him, okay? So when people say, well, who's the best defenseman you've ever seen, Nick Lidstrom? But I also respect, respect the fact that old timers say, okay, it started with Doug Harvey, but it really went like this when Bobby Orr came on completely changing game. You got to give the guys guys like that. I think that gives them an added bonus when you start to have these dumb conversations. Sure. And he's the greatest human to ever live at shooting a basketball. And that definitely qualifies for something as well, along with his list of accomplishments, which is very, very long, not as long as LeBron's, but, you know, I will stop there. Because we're all about celebrating the USA today. And that's why I also have to give credit to Kevin Durant, who had his moments as well. And now is USA's all time leading score in Olympic play. Most medals too. Hey, look at his numbers in previous Olympics. Kevin Durant was carrying the scoring for a couple of them, for sure. And LeBron James, man. I know a lot of people, like we said, were outraged at LeBron won the MVP. And I can understand if you just look at Curry's last couple of games, but LeBron James led the team in rebounds, led the team in field goal percentage with second in scoring and was by far number one in assists. And when you have a team full of superstars, Hall of Famers, all time, greats like that, you need somebody who is going to distribute the basketball. You need somebody who is going to actually play the point guard and get these players in positions where they can get open shots. And LeBron has done that in this Olympics better than I've ever seen anyone do it in any individual Olympics. So shout out to those three by far the three best NBA players of the last 15 years. If you accepted the fact, though, you are never going to change anybody's mind on LeBron James. Have you accepted that fact? Absolutely. Okay, cool. 'Cause trust me, my generation, it was the same thing with Michael Jordan. I told the story, I was one of those guys. I was. Yeah. And then I remember vividly the moment, and I don't have to go over that moment, actually I will. You've seen the commercials in the NBA finals where he's just burying shots from everywhere against Portland. And he turns around and he looks at magic and goes like that. That's true. Who's doing that? Like at that point in time, like I fell down to my knees and I rocked. And I was like, I can't do this anymore. He's the greatest I've ever seen. Oh, I hate it. Yeah, to give it up. I literally felt dirty because of some of, you know, the past misgivings, if you will, with the Pistons. But I got to that point, if you don't have that moment by now with LeBron James, it's never going to happen. Yeah. Like it's, and I get it, people are going to hold certain things against him, whether it be back in the day against the Pistons, whether it be the decision and things. But I'm glad to hear you say that you, no matter how much you yell and scream, and you could have a trademark patent flannel, meltdown, you are never, ever, ever going to change people's minds. Those minds are made up on LeBron James right now. And in my mind, if you can't give that due to his flowers, that's on you now. Yeah. It's not on LeBron anymore. If you can't give him his flowers, it's on you. Yeah. I mean, it's LeBron derangement syndrome is a certified mental illness at this point. It just is. And I'm not even trying to be mean or anything like that. If you guys are in the chat and found, and your number one thing to point out after the game was how can I use this against LeBron, then you have a problem and, and fine. And I know that I'm never going to change the hearts and minds of anybody. Cody Ingle in the chat, old head stay mad at LeBron, but it's not even just old heads. You got younger. You got people who are much younger than me just using everything to discredit LeBron. And trust me, I have tried with a lot of people when it comes to changing hearts and minds. I consider myself a bit of a LeBronologist. I know, damn near everything there is to know about that man and his accomplishments and stats and people just don't budge. And it's fine, you get to the point when you're older, where you just don't try to convince people anymore. You just let them see it for themselves and as that's what they want to believe, I'm not. I can't help you. You know what's funny about this, though, and I don't even know if we meant to go down this road. But here we are. I'm a firm believer, as I said, only talking about guys that I saw. All right. That's I don't want to talk about George Mike and I never saw George Mike and Bill Russell. Sorry. I know. So you know what? And I always put that out in front. I think some of the same young dogs that are propping up LeBron should probably take that approach to. Did you watch Michael Jordan play? Yeah. All right. Then maybe sit this one out. Yeah. Maybe maybe sit this one out. But the point remains, that doesn't mean you're wrong. There are a lot of old people that turned into their dads. Ah, this is the best guy I've ever seen, nobody will ever be better than him. You know what I would say? I will put LeBron in that same category of guys. Larry Bird was an assassin. Michael Jordan, I don't care what anybody says in my mind opinion. He's the best ever. He's the go. Magic. You've got to give him his flowers. LeBron James is in that group. Kobe Bryant. But like that's to me, that's the group like, yeah, and I got no problem saying it. We want to argue that if you want to argue that LeBron was better than Michael Jordan, we can have that discussion. But is there a right answer? No. When it comes to those two, there isn't a right answer. And I have completely resigned to the fact that if you want to put LeBron one or Michael Jordan one and have in reverse, I think those are clearly, in my opinion, the top two. And then there's a bit of a gap and then you've got to me, the guys like Kareem and Bird and magic and Duncan and Hakim, Shaq, I think Kobe's like 11 or 12. But that's just my opinion. That's just my opinion. He's an all time, all time, all time great. And to me at this point, Steph Curry is maybe nipping at the heels of somebody like Akima Laijuan or Shaquille O'Neal, maybe even better at this point. If I were to take one of them out of my top 10 and probably be Hakim or Shaq and maybe put in Steph, although I think we all have to admit when it comes to Steph, we're maybe being a little bit prisoner of the moment, maybe just a little bit. But it's a hell of a moment though. Go ahead, Kaji. Are we? I don't think we are though. Like he said, the man flat out changed the game, man. And the accomplishments are up there now. That's one thing you can't argue with Steph Curry. He has the accomplishments. Yeah, he might not have the MVPs and all that. But as far as like championships and things of that nature, he's right up there. I think you can easily put him in the top 10. Like you said, over in Akima Laijuan, I think you can get a Laijuan about it there. And that's no disrespect to the dream, but I mean, Steph Curry at this point is a revelation. I think I always say this to people, go do a homework assignment, okay? YouTube is a magical, wondrous place. You can go home today and watch a football game from 20 years ago. Facts. And then you can watch a football game from the early 90s. You know, a lot of people say that was such a great era, the Cowboys and Niners and all that. Watch how different the game is. Then you go back to the 80s, the 80s to the 90s to 2004 to today. The National Football League has changed incredibly. And that's because of A, the rules and B, the way it's called. They are literally saying we want pretty offenses and wonderful quarterbacks and bombastic numbers and everything. That was a mandated change. Whether we want to admit it or not. Steph Curry was a personal change. Steph Curry changed the NBA. And that's not an overstatement. I mean, he did. What he brought to the table, you saw other teams saying, okay, we got to get that. We got to get that. We got to get that. Lights out guy who's just going to stand behind the arc and just bury the threes at will. That. That says something. It's more than just the professional level to a tranquil all the way down to the modern age of players, man. AAU kids are shooting from like 30 feet, 40 feet out because of Steph Curry. Don't become what you detest your flannel. Before we go to break, let me just clarify something because people are calling me a Steph Curry hater in the chat, even though I said I might put him into my top 10. When I mean prisoner of the moment, I'm not talking about putting him in the top 10 because that's, I'm referring more to guys like Ryan or Molly who went on Twitter right after the game and said that Steph is greater than LeBron. I'm talking about guys like Stig who said that Steph Curry is the greatest player of this generation. There really is no argument for Steph Curry over LeBron, except for maybe shooting, changing the game, but accomplishments LeBron still dwarfs Steph by a wide, wide margin and shout out to Dante 151 for the $10 super chat says, do people realize that James did something that Jordan never did and that taking three NBA teams to the finals and winning an NBA championship? Can we stop hating on the LeBron James, please? Absolutely. Yeah. We should. They won't. Yeah. I think LeBron's the goat personally. I mean, you look at it, he was, he's got the most points in the history of the NBA. He's going to have the most assists in the NBA history of the NBA. He's going to be top five rebounds in the history of the NBA. He's 40 years old having the best years of his career. He's been in his prime for 20 seasons like the guy is absolutely insane. Yeah. It's semantics at this point because I mean with me, I think Jordan is the goat and I'm a LeBron fan, but I always say it's the way Jordan played the game that makes him the goat to me, in my opinion, it's the viciousness he played with, the killer instinct, the air that he got off the ground. I mean, the man levitated for Christ's sake is some of the things that he did on the basketball court was absolutely ungodly. Add that to the championships and the way he won the championships. To me, he's the goat, but LeBron absolutely the best career of any NBA player. I think that's I think that's very fair because you know what? If I was going into a series, who do I want, prime Jordan or prime LeBron, I will take prime Jordan every single time and I will not second guess it, but, but I think this is a both things can be true. Absolutely. I understand the argument. I get it. And I think people in my generation are going, no, no, no, we've turned into our dads. I mean, we really have, whether you guys want to admit it or not, we've turned into our dads. What about Bill Russell? It's okay to give that other guy credit. It is. Okay. He's in a phenomenal career. Give him his love at the root of it. These are two different positions, two different eras of basketball, the rules, two different types of players. It's so many different things to account for when you're comparing the two. So I've never liked the comparison of those two, but I understand why. I mean, they're both the goats of their generation. Yes. And before we go to break, I have to read quite possibly the worst thing I've seen in the history of this chat. Robert Colosia, Curry is not better than Iverson. You Robert Colosia, I love Ivo. You can't do that. You can't do it. There's only one. There's only one point guard. You can guard. Yeah. There's only one point guard that you could argue is better than Steph Curry. That's all. That's right. Yeah. Allen Iverson. Oh, and by the way, because LeBron derangement syndrome is a thing and he gets a hundred percent of the blame for the 04 bronze in which he played the fourth least minutes of the game and was per game and was coming off his rookie season. How about we look at Allen Iverson's numbers in the 04 Olympics? He shot them out of it. I'm just going to say that an Allen Iverson is one of the most overrated players in NBA history. Look at them shooting for a second. He was good. He's a shot jacker. That's what it is. Listen. He's a Hall of Famer, but can we all agree that he's not even, he can't even breathe the same air as Steph Curry. But will you hold on for just a second? Yes. What you just said is fascinating to me. He's one of the most overrated players of all time, but he's a Hall of Famer. Of course, you can be a Hall of Fambian all time great. No, you can't be overrated and be an all time. Yes, you can. No, you can't. Kobe is. Oh, God. It is. I like honest to God to me to their two little dudes that I will go to war with every single day. And it's Allen Iverson. I'm trying to tell you. He's he don't want to hear this, but a I changed the game as well. Oh, because he won't do rags to the day is NBA is far is dribbling. He absolutely changed the game of basketball and he did the same shit. And LeBron did he drug a team by himself to an NBA finals and and would have won if he had more help. Oh, no, he wouldn't. He would have been a stop it and get the effort. He had Eric Snow and de Kimbe my tummy. Oh, they can't be my tummy. Who I hear from everybody's. Hello. The campaign. He was. Wait, I can't get past Hall of Famer, most overrated player ever. I'm sorry. I can't. I can't put that in the same sentence. You can't say that. Okay, fine. All I'm saying is that Allen Iverson, he's not top 30 of all time. He's top 50 of all time, but he's not top 30. Look at his efficiency numbers. And if you're talking about Allen Iverson and Isaiah Thomas, Isaiah Thomas is, to me, it's not even close. I agree. Yeah, we're not. We're not this little buggers. I'm sorry. That counts for something, man. I mean, when other guys are saying it, you don't need my word for it. Guys, they played against just tough little dudes that you knew were going to keep coming at you. Well, I'd like to write down. I wonder where Iverson would. I know he just kind of stumbled in this. I wonder where he'd fallen. I was thinking he might be top 30. I would have to do something like that, but there's a lot of shit to talk about. And you know what? Plano just don't like him. He don't like anything fun. We notice. You don't like Allen Iverson because, you know, to me, it's also about his plan is a big practice. But he's a cult of personality that's been built around him. He, a lot of people will say that he's their favorite player. And to me, he's just, he's great. He's a Hall of Famer, but he's, I mean, when he was on, he was on an inefficient shot checker. That's what his numbers will tell you. Get demands from him. That's all I got to say. Theo Ratliff is all I got to say. But you know what? We can all agree on the Detroit Lions, and we're going to talk about them when we come back next. But first, I got to tell you about Dispo. 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We saw what the line looked like last year when a couple, when Coyote had to play or Colby Source Doll or a dance skipper and we saw in the preseason game in which the results were I would say mixed. So Sean, are you concerned at all about the O-line depth for the Detroit Lions? Yeah, I think you have to be. And this is another one of those bold things can be true thing because listen, I know this is the favorite time of year and we're going to have another topic like this come up later in the show of, well, if an injury happens, well my brain doesn't think about injuries. Sorry, I'm not going into the season thinking about an injury, especially those of the catastrophic variety, but with these offensive linemen, I mean, this isn't exactly new. So I think while this remains a strength, let's be honest, maybe there isn't the depth and maybe being the key and upper word, maybe there isn't the depth that there has been in the past. So when, not if, one of those injuries happened because it's going to happen. And I'm not, again, I'm not saying catastrophic injury. This isn't a quarterback situation, more on that later. But yeah, you, there's no problem with saying, okay, Brad, what do you got? Now I'm going to say this again because it's almost like people forget this every single year. Do you know that there are going to be more cuts? Do you know that there is a scrappy? Do you know that there might be a guy that while not a plug and play guy might provide some of those fits? The chapter's not written yet. We're going, we're going through the chapter, okay? And we're writing it as we speak, but flannel, there might be an answer. But to your question, as is right now, yeah, I think the answer is, yeah, you have to be, don't you? Yeah. Well, when you look at last year in the lion's offensive line, they had, and I get it knock on wood, they had a pretty remarkable bill of health. All things considered. Penne played every game. You had a Graham Glasgow play every game. I mean, Kevin Zitler wasn't on the team, but he's historically very, very durable. You had a rag now and Decker each have some nagging things, but they played the majority of games. I'm looking at this offensive line right now with three guys who've had a little bit of a recent entry history and a Decker, rag now and Glam, Graham Glasgow missed 10 games in 2021. And I get it. We can't live life scared. Here's, here's my point of view on it all. If you have a game or two where let's just say one of the guards is out or one of the centers is out. I think that that's something you could patch work together and it would be okay as long as most of the offensive line is healthy. If there's a guard out, maybe you move Glasgow over and then you put Zitler and Coyote at the guards. And I think you move along pretty well. Or even if you have a guard or even a tackle, maybe you put Dan Skipper in Dan Skipper hasn't played as much tackle as you think in his career. But those two Coyote and Dan Skipper are too offensive linemen that I trust to at least play well enough to keep them to keep the train moving if a couple players get out for a couple of games. But I do think it's a tale as old as time for any NFL team. If the offensive line, again, knock on wood suffers just a cavalcade of injuries. I don't even know if that's a word, but you understand what I mean. The lions are going to be effed to some degree. But if they have maybe one or two at a time, I think you can patch it together just fine. How many times have we had this conversation in regards to, boy, wouldn't it be great if we could just see some continuity with this line? Yeah. That's just, that's the reality, the national football league. And as you mentioned, it not necessarily those catastrophic injuries, but you know, Frank missing a little time here, Taylor missing a little time there. Continuity is something in a perfect world. If you keep this offensive line together, it's the best offensive line in football. I don't have any problem saying that, okay? But keeping a line together, the reality is not as simple. So yeah, in a perfect world, it would be great. And again, I'm going to use this term. I know I used it last week. One man's trash is another man's treasure. I'm not saying that there's treasure out there, okay? There's a reason a dude got cut 99% of the time, but that doesn't mean that he can't come in and be a part of what you're doing and a potential answer. Listen, I want to start her off somebody's trash. Sure. Let me get that out of the way. But yes, some dude that came in that got, you know, the numbers, crunch, whatever the case may be. Yeah. Come on in. Know that you're going to be part of the puzzle. There was a couple of things that happened in like offensive line news for the Lions recently. It was, they put Connor Gellvin on injured reserve. He suffered that injury. Just like it was a knee in that first preseason game. They added Jamarco Jones as a tackle. So we'll see if he can do anything that just another body can't piece to bring in, see if he can make the team. And then Christian Mahogany has rejoined the team, which is important. He was dealing with some personal things, personal issues. He was a very, very highly touted prospect, even though he went later in the draft. He looked pretty damn good. I think the personal issues that set him apart from the team were probably why he fell so far in the draft. So him coming back, joining the team is good. He should be a pretty decent piece in that interior offensive line if you can get things going. No, absolutely. And I was about to bring up Christian Mahogany because, yeah, we all know that there's some, there's some issues going on. It looks like he's about to rejoin the team, but he was a draft pick that I was personally pretty excited about. And somebody who to me is kind of the opposite of Giovanni Manu. I don't think Christian Mahogany has a high ceiling or anything like that. But I think given his experience at Boston College, given that I think he was under drafted, he's somebody that I would think could maybe even contribute this season in a pinch versus like I said, a Giovanni Manu who we want nowhere near the field probably for at least this year, maybe going into year two. So when we're looking at guard depth overall, you've got Skipper who can play guard, you've got Coyote who can play guard, you've got Mahogany who we don't really know yet, but I have high hopes for him. And you've got Colby Soresdahl who at the absolute least at the absolute worst played games last year, although not well, I don't necessarily want him on the field. It's just there's a little bit of guard depth in a pinch. That's all I'm saying. KG, are you worried about the depth on the Lions offensive line? Well, I have been a little worried about the depth, but I mean overall, the Lions have been able to manage. Like you said, the full offensive line has not played that much football together, man, but they haven't lost too many games because of their offensive line. To me, it's not about how many injuries you have, but it's who is injured. As long as you have Pene and Frank Ragnow at any given time, I feel like you always have a fighting chance. Now, if Pene were to go down or you know, Frank Ragnow were to go down, they both go down at the same time, then you have a problem there. But as long as you have those two and you have solid depth behind them, they'll be able to manage, man. They'll be able to make it work with what they have. Now, you do want to see more improvements from a Kobe source dog, from a Christian mahogany who, you know, by all accounts, have not looked good so far. But like I said, they are experienced at this point. They know what they need to do. And as long as you don't incur injuries to the main people on this offensive line, I feel like you'll be okay. And that's the ultimate caveat is just that if the Lions offensive line is healthy, it's still the best in the National Football League. My best, man. I was just going to say, you know, or you don't have to worry about depth. That is the morning show because they have one of the most loaded rosters in the game. Join wake up Woodward eight to 10 a.m. Monday through Friday. 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Nate Sudfeld looked like the worst quarterback I've ever seen. I literally watched Nate Sudfeld play and thought that I could get out there and do almost as good of a job. For real. It was one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. There's no way to spend that. It was terrible. And I get it backups all that, but still Nate Sudfeld just did not look the part. We saw Henan Hooker come in. We saw him look a hell of a lot better than Sudfeld. He made a couple throws, made a couple of nice scrambles, but he did leave in concussion protocol. So, uh, we don't know when we're going to see him again, although we think it's going to be pretty soon. So the backup quarterback is something that we don't know if the lines necessarily have a reliable one or not. We certainly don't have a known reliable one because Henan Hooker has not played in NFL snap. We're kind of going off of potential at least for this year. So Sean Beligen, I'm curious to ask you. What the Lions consider signing Ryan Tannehill as a backup? Where's my boy easy? I know easy. He's been banging this a lot, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Easy. And I'm not arguing with the logic because if you're thinking that way, would he be better than the two options they have right now? Yes. Steve Tannehill might be better as well. You kids look that former South Carolina quarterback had a magnificent mullet, by the way. But you know I have to say this, okay, and flannel, please don't throw Nick Foles at me. And I know what a geek you are and I mean that with the tip of the cap, please don't throw Jeff Hostetler at me, okay, if Jared Goff goes down, the season's over, come on. It's over me practically. You are not going to go win a Super Bowl with Ryan Tannehill, Steve Tannehill, Henan Hooker or Nate Suddfeld. It's not going to happen, okay? And like I said, let me remind you, I don't want to hear about Nick Foles and I don't want to hear about Jeff Hostetler because has it happened before? Yes. And in particular, the Nick Foles one really blows my mind. Yes, we're not going to win. So this is where I go back to what I said in the preview. My brain doesn't work this way. My brain doesn't work with, well, what about catastrophic injuries? If you bring up catastrophic injuries to me, I will tell you that the facts overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly support my feelings and a lot of other people's feelings out there, Jared Goff goes down, all of our best laid plans, all of the, I honest to God, really believe the lions are going to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl, that all goes out the window doesn't it? Yes. If we're talking about the Super Bowl 100,000 percent, if we're talking about a couple of games in the pinch in the middle of the season, if Jared Goff's down for something maybe like shorter term injuries, then we might need somebody a little bit more trustworthy who can get you a couple of wins in the middle of the season. But I want to go to UKG. Yes, sir. Ryan Tannehill. Is this an option for the lion should they at least consider it? I'm good on Ryan Tannehill because, I mean, for one, he's a poor man, Jared Goff. I mean, he hasn't really done anything that makes me feel like if he comes in in a pinch, he'll be the guy to get us through the storm. And I'm also not a believer that, you know, of course, I feel like they need to sign a guy, but I'm not willing to risk any trade capital. I'm not willing to do anything like that because at this point, anybody you get is not going to be a world beater. And I feel like they do have their number two quarterback in house. I mean, he only has a concussion. He'll be fine. I think you just live and die on what Henry Hooker can provide you and really see what this kid has because risking capital at this point or overpaying a Ryan Tannehill like you paid Teddy Bridgewater last year, I just don't see that, man. And Ryan Tannehill, at least with Teddy Bridgewater, he came in, he helped the team. Ryan Tannehill has been a guy that has proven that he's not trying to help anybody but himself. He wants a starting job in this league. I don't think he deserves one. I'm good. I'm living and dying on what Henry Hooker can provide me. Can I jump in really quickly? Tannehill was one of those guys that kind of went like this earliest career. And then he stayed there. Yeah. He really did. Like, I remember watching him and just going, oh, there's some things I really like about this guy. And if you remember, this is going back about 10 years ago, people were talking him up. People were really talking him up. And then nothing. Yeah. Like, nothing, you know, and I'm not saying that he's not an NFL quarterback. I hope you know, but he just, he doesn't do anything for me. I think there's a reason why he's out there, if that makes sense. Yeah. I'm pretty confident in handed hooker, honestly. I think, like you said, John, if golf, God forbid, knock on wood goes down for a prolonged or the majority of the season, it's over. But if he goes down, you know, with a broken rib or a high ankle sprain and has to miss a couple of weeks, I have faith that had an hooker behind the best offensive line in football with a top three tight end, a top five wide receiver, the best duo of running backs and the best offensive coordinator in football, we'll be able to go out there and win you a couple games. You look at the guys that have done this in the past, guys in recent years, like Jake Browning, like Cooper Rush, like Bendonucci that are forced into starting roles in fantastic offenses, they go out there and they can win you games. Do I think handed hooker is going to be the second coming of Nick Foles? No, I don't think he'll be able to do that. But I have the confidence that if you need him to win you a game or two, you put him in the line starting offense, he will be able to do that. That's an interesting Cooper Rush one because, yeah, nobody even knew who the hell Cooper Rush was and I'm not saying he was a world beater or anything, but he won some games. Fantasy darling for about three weeks. That's fair. Jake Browning as well last year and the crazy one of the craziest stats about Jake Browning is the Bengals actually had a better record when he was the starter than when Joe Burrow was the starter. I'm not saying he's better. He's saying that he did a pretty damn serviceable job and he wasn't really a known commodity or anything like that. I'm not saying he was as far unadvanced as handed hooker, although I think even in that you could even make a bit of a comparison. I see something from Steve Lehman in the chat, which I really think is interesting and I want to get your guys' thoughts on it. Tana Hill wants to still be number one. Unfortunately, what players need to understand is that we're chasing a ring, not a bag around here. I think the danger of a Ryan Tana Hill, because I'm not necessarily completely against it, but here's what I would warn against. Ryan Tana Hill thinks he's better than Jared Gaugh. He's not. Everybody knows that he's not, but Ryan Tana Hill has been almost a 10-year starter in the NFL. He's had six seasons in which he's thrown for 20 or more touchdown passes. He had, he's been to a Pro Bowl. He led the NFL in passer rating one year. I think Derek Henry in the backfield had a lot to do with it, but still, Ryan Tana Hill has been a pretty good quarterback in this league for a long time. Is he going to accept a backup role? I don't necessarily know about that. I think there's teams in the NFL that might suffer some injuries that might, I would say, suffer some disbelief in their players to where Ryan Tana Hill can maybe swoop in and be a starter somewhere. I don't necessarily think he's coming to Detroit to be a backup or to be a part of the team. I think he's looking for another starting job, and I don't blame him, by the way. It's just, if, that's my, I would say, because I'm not 100% sure where I stand on this, that is my warning against. That's my con in all of this, is that Ryan Tana Hill wants to be a starting quarterback. Hey, you have to pay a pretty penny for him. I'm good on it. Can I go back to Steve's comment for a second, because I think it's a brilliant comment and something that maybe flew over all of our heads, okay? How many times in the past 10, 15, 20, 25 years have we heard about a guy who's available, who, well, it's not about the bag at this point in time in his life, it's about going and getting the ring, which immediately disqualified the Detroit Lions. Whether we want to admit it or not, and like Steve, thank you, I mean, that light bulb just came on for me. The Lions are now that team. If a guy's looking for a ring, okay, and you know what, I'm gonna come here for a year, I'm gonna give myself a chance to get a ring, show what I can do and then maybe I can get a long-term contract, why not come to Detroit? And do you know how many times, and I can tell you with two different general managers with the Detroit Lions, I've had these conversations, that guy would fit perfectly what we want to do here, but he wants to go to a competitor. He wants to go to a legitimate contender. And frankly, I mean, more often than not, that wasn't us. We know that. We're allowed to talk about those things now without getting butt hurt because of the position that we're in. But I think that's a great point and one that maybe none of us considered is guess what? The Lions are now that team. You want to go play for a contender? You want a legitimate shot at a ring? Go to Detroit. Sure. And it's crazy. I don't know. You're not going to get struck by lightning, it's okay. Right? But does Ryan Tannehill put any value on being a backup quarterback on a Super Bowl team? I would probably say no, however, and this is, I don't know if this is necessarily a hot take, but here it goes. And again, knock on wood. I think that God forbid Jared Goff goes down with something that's even seven or eight weeks at least, God forbid, even worse, again, knock on wood. Ryan Tannehill is somebody that can lead you to the playoffs. With this team around him, with the offensive line, with the receivers, with the running backs. I think so. And that's, and to me, because Ed Katella says in the chat when I was talking about how he doesn't want to be a number, like a backup, he said, you answered your own question. Well, that's my con. My pro is that this year, if Jared Goff goes down with something catastrophic, knock on wood, that I would trust Ryan Tannehill to get this team to the playoffs more than I would trust Hendon Hooker. So I believe in Hendon Hooker as a capable quarterback someday, Ryan Tannehill is one of those quarterbacks. You kind of alluded to it earlier. He's better than you think, or he's been better than you think. He was terrible when he played last year, but he's better than you think. And he's also won some playoff games as a starter. When you brought up spending, when you brought up high ankle sprained, that's why I cringe when he said high ankle sprained, because, you know, it might be four or five weeks, right. It's only great. And it's one of those things where, oops, I tweaked it. Oh, I thought I was close and I tweaked it. And it's almost back to the starting point. So to your point, and I'm going to look at this both ways. I know, depending on what point in time in the season, do you have faith that Hendon Hooker could go four and four, five and three with what he has at his disposal? I do. I believe four. Then why do I pick up Tannehill? Exactly. Why did you draft a kid? Why do I mean, eventually you got to throw him out there and just see what he has. If that situation comes. But, yeah, I'm just, I'm sorry, I'm not risking it on a guy that's not even going to come in and help this organization. Like I said, with Teddy Bridgewater, at least he was a good backup to Jared Goff. He helped Jmo mature in a way. Like I'm not sure if Ryan Tannehill is going to come in and be that guy for this team. You go five and three in this make-believe scenario. You go five and three with Jared Goff out. You go seven and two, even, how about just for the sake of an argument? Six and three with Jared Goff in. Yeah. Well, you're talking about 11 wins right there and I'm all about just getting the gosh game playoffs. Like, now that you won the division, of course I want to win the division. Of course, I want more home games. Hell, I want the number one C. Just get in the playoffs with what they have at their disposal and I think this team has a damn good chance. Yeah. Regardless of the road. I finally believe that. I just like him to hookers ability better to ease a dual threat quarterback with an offensive mind like Ben Johnson that adds a whole nother wrinkle to defenses they have to account for. Sure. Ryan Tannehill is a statue. We all know that. Like I said, he's a poor man. Jared Goff. If they get to teeing off on him, he's going to, he's going to travel. He is. I think calling him a statue is a little bit is a little bit. We're calling. I know his career. His career. He isn't the guy he was 10 years. Yeah. Sure. He used to move a little bit. Now he's more. How about this? Statuous? Well, he was a college wide receiver before he was a quarterback. That's, that's all. That's all I'm going to say. No, he, but he used to move a lot, but he doesn't, he doesn't move as much anymore. Right. Is it in a field defense going to be like, oh, we have to account for Ryan Tannehill's legs? No, probably not at this point. Probably not at this point. And for the record, I'm not, I'm not pounding the table saying sign Ryan Tannehill. It's just one of those things where when you first hear about it, you almost just, your, your split reaction is just like, Tannehill, no. And then I thought about it a little bit. And here's the thing, Sean. And this is just my opinion. If Jared Goff were to go down for eight weeks, you said the hypothetical four and four. I don't know if four and four is necessarily good enough. I think somebody like Ryan Tannehill could maybe make you five and three or six and two. And that could be the difference between a one seat and a two seat and a three seat. So you want to pay 10 million for Ryan Tannehill because that's how much it would cost. Maybe for a year, maybe for one year, of course, he would be one year, but I'm just, for that one year, you want them to pull up 10 million when they can, maybe somebody comes across during the trade deadline that you want, but you can't do it because you pay Ryan Tannehill 10 million dollars. In a perfect world, I've already given you mine. I would, I would trade a seventh rounder for Taylor Heineke for four and a half. And I would love that too. But I know we're late, but can I, you just said something about the seeds. Can I bring up, bring this up when we come back? Absolutely. 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I brought up the trade that I would make if I were the lion's GM, Brad Holmes for Taylor Heinege. But you had a point that you teased for the audience. I'm really intrigued to see if people are kind in the same position that I am. And I want to clarify this before you all in the chat, just start crucifying me. Of course, I want the lions to win the North again. I want the lions to own the North for the foreseeable future. Of course, I would love nothing more than the number one seed and have it all in Ford Field. Every bit of it so I can hear why any little bitches like Sean McVay talk about how loud it is. I want it all. Okay? Don't get me wrong. Ah, let's play a game of pretend. The lions don't win the division. Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers win the division. They finish 12 and five. The lions finish 11 and six. Is that devastation for people? Are you like seriously? Are you devastated at that? Does that make you feel any less confident about what they can do in the playoffs? And before you answer, I'm going to use your boy, Patrick Mahomes as an example. Now, I understand he's one of one. He is. That's your quote, by the way. Always give you credit for that. He's one of one, but how many times did the Chiefs go, oh, cool, gosh, oh, well, we have to go to Buffalo to win a game. Cool. Yeah. Oh, well, we have to go to Cincinnati to win a game. Oh, shit. You want me to go to Pittsburgh? Cool. I can do that too. And I'm not trying to be a cocky lion fan, but guess what, I'm a cocky lion fan. I honestly feel like the lions can go into San Francisco and say, yeah, we remember what happened last year. And we're going to, I almost said something very crude. We're going to go pound you. Okay? Hey, hey, Green Bay, congratulations on the division one. We're going to come to Lambo and we're going to steal your soul and we're going to eat all your cheese too. So because of that, like, honestly, flannel, yes, yes, yes, yes. I want number one. I want the division. I want the highest seed possible, but does that mean that all our plans can't come to fruition if God forbid they're a five seat? It means it makes it a hell of a lot harder. And that's what would concern me because, and this is just my honest opinion. And I don't think it's controversial at all. I truly believe that if the lions get the one seat and have undisputed home field advantage that you can damn near just pencil them into the Super Bowl, I don't think anybody is coming into Ford Field in the playoffs and beating the lions, especially with the improvements that they've made. That's all what advantage it was last season when they had deficiencies on the team, particularly in the secondary. I don't think any NFC team is going into Detroit into Ford Field and winning. On the road, though, that's tough because we're talking about potentially going into Lambo where the lions have had some success. We're talking about going to San Francisco where the lions lost last year. We're talking about going into Philly potentially. I don't know if I necessarily would bet on the lions to win every at every single one of their environments and the elephant in the room and a lot of people are really not going to like this. But I just have to say it, especially UKG, I don't know if I want Jared Goff going to Philadelphia in January. I don't know if I want Jared Goff going to Green Bay in January in playoff games. I'm just saying I want it at Ford Field for every single game if possible. They're not wrong with that. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of people that are going to have a lot of problem with it in the chat spending, you know. Yeah. True. No. I'm good. I mean, but I get what you mean, of course, the cold weather golf argument, you know, it's still something that that exists, but I don't care about the results. I've been saying that all throughout the year, getting playoffs, winning playoffs. That's all I care about at this point. If it's at the cost of the division, fine. If it's at the cost of the number one seed, fine. All I care about is this team getting to the playoffs and winning in the playoffs. And it's possible. Look at what the Chiefs did last year, they kind of backdoor into the playoffs. If you want to go older than that, look back at some of those New York giant teams that was facing Tom Brady back in the day, damn there went eight and eight and somehow ended up in the Super Bowl. Like it is possible in the lions, maybe if this was an older integration of the lions, I'd be more concerned, but over the last few years, they've proven to be a way better role team than they were in years prior. So I mean, if I got to take my chances, fine, but that the results are all that matter. That 2011 giant team in particular is the one that blows my mind. I mean, they literally had to get in in the last game of the year. It was the Sunday night game. All year long, they had like next to no pass rush struggle, and then all of a sudden they got the most ferocious defensive front four in the history of mankind, and they made. Oh, see, the new era, yeah, it's amazing how that works itself out. So I'm not saying again, I'm not saying using the small example to speak for the large, but what I feel more confident if the lions were at home, you're absolutely right. I love their chances. If they've got home field advantage, I love that their chances. I'm going to grab his pencil and start penciling the lions in, but I'm telling you right now, my heart isn't going to break if the lions are a five seat. I think this team has developed a credit line across the board. It isn't just about Dan Campbell anymore. It isn't just about Brad Holmes anymore. It's about this whole team mentality that they're going to be like, okay, cool, doubt us again. We're going to show you wrong again. That would be an incredible story spending. It would. It would. It would be great. It would be awesome to see, but I don't want to see it. It'd be a great story. No, I don't want to see that. Yeah, but like if you get the one seed and you're the lions next year, the only you only have to play three outdoor games. If you get the one seed in the playoffs, you got home field advantage, you would only have to play three outdoor games all year, one of them being in San Francisco. You're going to San Francisco in the regular season. That's fine. That's them being in Lambo in the middle of the season, so the weather is really not going to be too bad. And the last one being Chicago towards the end of the year, that one is probably going to be probably going to be pretty bad, but that's the only game you have to worry about the outdoor or cold weather if you get the number one seed and home field advantage. And on top of that, it's not just playing in the dome. It's playing in Ford Field, playing in front of the Detroit Lions fans, playing in this atmosphere that Sean McVay went on busing with the boys and said was the loudest environment he's ever been in as a head coach. Ford Field last year, week one playoff game, he said was a crazier atmosphere than the super dome in the NSC championship game. That means something. That means something that helps the players and hurts the opposing players. Like that is important. Lions fans did that. Lions fans are going to continue to do that. That is another reason why we need to win the home field advantage. I want it more than air food, water and shelter. I can't stress that enough. But just hearing you talk about that again, you know, following this whole, well, what if this happens? What if that happens? And oh my gosh, we went four and four with Hendon Hooker at quarterback and gosh, damn it, it would have been nice to win the division. Alliance team healthy going into the playoffs. I'd like their chances. Damn right. I'd rather be at home with the division. Do all those things. It's many just there. It's many. You're 100% right. No doubt about that. But God forbid that type of scenario that we brought up earlier happens, I still like the chat. Are they healthy? Going into the playoffs. Okay. Cool. I like their chances. I think they're the best team in the NFC. Oh yeah. If they're healthy going and I get what you're saying, what you're basically saying is that if they get a wild card, again, God forbid that you're not, you're not panicking. No. You think that they can still make it to the Super Bowl and then when you get to the Super Bowl, you obviously have a chance to win it. I understand that I just as a fan, I want their job to be as easy as you really are. And I also think there's the element of, and I get it, the division's harder, having maybe taken a step back going from two home playoff games one year to not playing a single home playoff game the next year. I think that's a little bit disappointing, but as you said before, this Lions team can do it. I just, I've got my confidence is higher than damn near any team that I've ever rooted for that a home playoff games would end in victories for the Detroit Lions. It's definitely, I definitely don't feel that confident about them going on the road. Well, this is the point in time in the season. Let's be honest in the preseason season that we're talking about all these dumb hypotheticals. Yes. Yes. And so we're talking about all these dumb hypotheticals because we're waiting for these dumb games to get over so we can get to real football. I mean, if we're going to talk about Hendon Hooker and going four and four and five and three, to me, the next natural step is okay. If that happens, well, then maybe we have to entertain the thought that we don't win the division. Of course, I want the division. I want all of that. I want all of those things that come with it. But I think it's a testament to where this franchise is right now and where this team is right now, KG. Yeah. That even if it doesn't happen, I still like their chances. I'm just in the boat that we can't make excuses for this team. And if they are a top NFC team, like we believe they are, they have to find ways to do it. If they got to go on the road throughout the playoffs, find ways to win. That's what the great teams do. This is not the same. No, I just want to smell like how kind we was in here that drop every time. But this is not the same lion's team from years past, man. We believe that they are a super bowl contender. And if that's the case, you got to do what you got to do. That is a great point. And I think what you're saying is the same thing that a lot of us are saying, regardless of the five seed, if they sneak in, if they win the division, if they go undefeated, lose one or two games, this season is super bowl or bust. No matter how you get in the playoffs, you got to get there and you got to win it or it is a failed season because that's the waters the lions are swimming in now. And that is pretty damn phenomenal considering where it was, even just a couple of years ago. Do you know what else is pretty damn phenomenal getting your insurance at Swiss? I'm glad you ask, KG. Not more than ever. It is critical for you to have your insurance reviewed Swiss insurance will make sure your carrier is not slipping in extra fees. 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And I don't even know if it's necessarily a Lions' hypothetical. It's just a question. I'm going to start with you, Sean Belegian. Who needs to be the MVP of the Lions season for them to reach their goals? What individual player do you think unlocks everything? Orkentos. That's the easiest. Period. Low hanger fruit. No, no, that's it. Sorry. I wish, you know, if I was playing along with the bit, I could think of another name. But if I'm shooting straight with you, it's Jared Goff. I mean, again, this is a quarterback league. And now nobody can deny it. For years, people tried to, you know, use some of those old outages, defense wins, super ball, all that crap, guys, the league has changed, the rules have changed. Jared Goff, Jared Goff, Jared Goff. And like Spenny, I'm one of those guys, I crapped on Jared Goff deservedly so because he was really struggling towards the end with the Rams in his first year here. But you have to give the man credit, Jared Goff, Jared Goff, I can't stress this enough, Jared Goff. KG. If I had to try to be different, I guess I would say hutch. Because obviously, Jared Goff is the most important, but defensively, if the Lions can match with the defensively, what they've done offensively, then this team is primed for a super bowl. And that all starts and ends with Aiden Hutchison now, Sam, I know, once again, this is no hutch. Hey, he can take another step. He is very, very good right now, but he can get to an elite status if he takes another step up. And if he takes another step up, the defense as a whole takes another step up. And then we don't, the Lions are damn near probably in the super bowl at that point. All right, I'll be different and say unnamed edge. How's that? To help, to help hutch get to that level because I think there's another level there. And that's just against the guy. I think there's a, so how about unnamed edge? Spencer Raxter comes in and does everything coming from the, that dude's the most important because then that could be the catalyst to get hutch. I saw it with Indama Kansu. Indama Kansu was sick. He was mad. But you know what? You add Cliff Avril to that equation. Let everybody talk about Cliff Avril stats. What the coaching staff was talking about was how Indama Kansu was getting doubled and tripled every time and still making plays and allowing other guys to be the benefactor from him. And Nick fairly to a smaller. Yes, I did have a four set game against New Haven in my career. Oh my God. Hey, shut off, man. Get on the contract. I can do it. Sign that man. But for me, honestly, I think it is Hutchinson. I look at it like, I think at this point, we know what Jared Goff is. We know what this offense is. We know they're going to be one of the best offenses in football. I have faith that Jared Goff's going to go out there and do what he did the past two years. And that's have a top 10 quarterback season in this league. If Aiden Hutchinson can go out there and instead of being with Trey Hendrickson and those types of edge be with Miles Garrett and TJ Watt in conversations and have 17 18 19 sacks. I can see this team winning 13 or 14 games like it is that big of a difference. If Aiden Hutchinson could take the shine off of the offense by being so damn good and being a defensive player, the year candidate, this team could be one of the best. Well, I already think they're going to be one of the best teams in football, but they could be the absolute no doubt Super Bowl front runner. And I'm going to make it a clean sweep other than Sean Belisian, but add a little bit more to it. I think that it's Aiden Hutchinson and obviously everybody knows I'm a hutch slappy, but let me just let me just say this. And I don't think he is, by the way, if Aiden Hutchinson is at his ceiling, just given the help that's around him, I think he's going to get home a couple of more times and he's continued. He's going to continue to be one of the greatest disruptors in the game. He saw it against the run, all of that just being all around perennial pro bowl defensive end and a guy who finishes his career with a hundred plus sacks. However, given the help that's around him where, which I know there's some worries about the other defensive end, but given hopefully a whole full healthy season of Aleem, DJ reader, and then even Marcus Davenport by himself is better than what they had last year given all of that. If Aiden Hutchinson actually has another gear to go to, which I believe he does, we're talking about him making the all-pro this year. We're talking about the defense in terms of points allowed per game being no doubt top 15, maybe even top 10. And if they get to top 10, that's when we can start talking about maybe 13, 14 wins one seed in all of that. So to me, Aiden Hutchinson unlocks everything. Aiden Hutchinson could, if he really takes that next step with the help, he could be maybe the most impactful defensive player in football. In terms of what he's doing for this team, it's going to help out out the secondary, which is relying on a couple of very promising rookies to be amongst two of the most impactful players in the secondary. It just, it unlocks everything for this defense. So to me, the answer is Aiden Hutchinson. If he has an all-pro or defensive player of the year season, I have no doubt in my mind that the Lions are getting the one seed. And their defense is top 10, top 15 for sure, maybe even top 10. If you don't pisses me off, and I always go back to this going back to 2014, I mean the Lions had a damn good defense that year, you know, the 11 and 5 year and everything, you just got a little bit more out of that offense, just a little bit more out of that offense. What might have been, and I mean that to all sincerity, and look, I talked to enough guys then and now that knew the difference between 10 years ago and now is those guys knew that that window was slowly closing. That may have been their last run, and as it turned out, it really was. And the difference being is if they would have had just that little oomph that you guys just talked about, that catalyst could have been huge and who knows what they might have done this year. And I think you all bring up a good point about this defense. We know what the offense is. We do. That's a fair statement. That's a given. You know how important it is. But if you get something you didn't expect, one of those years like a 2014 year, could you imagine like that? And it wasn't like they were great. It wasn't like they were evoking images of the Ravens or evoking images of the 85 Bears or anything like that. That was a damn good defense. You give me a little bit of that, 14 and three, I don't feel like a slapstick spitting out 14 and three at all. Zero, zilch. Yeah. And of course, when we talk about 14 and three, I gave it with the caveat of the help is enough. Aiden Hutchinson becomes possibly a defensive player of the year. And he's got, and as much as I love him, he's got another progression to go before he gets to that. And if he does, just given the ability of an impactful edge rusher that kills the other team's quarterback to be a force multiplier for a defense, 14 and three is not outside the realm of possibility. I know they have a tough schedule and all of that, but we're talking about Aiden Hutchinson potentially being a defensive player of the year. And I don't even think, even though it's coming from me, if he hits that next gear considering the excellent season he had last season and the excellent first two games of the playoffs, I don't think that's crazy. I think all pro is maybe a little bit more likely than defensive player of the year this year. But be an all pro in this era of edge rushers is as impressive as it gets. I'll just say that. You know what, to your point, and I'm glad to hear you say that because I think sometimes people look at it as a show of disrespect if you don't say that hutch is all that right now. Okay. And so hearing you say that I give you a typical gap, there's more like, especially the moments that he flashed down the stretch, the bears game, right? Those moments that I want more of that. Yes. And I firmly believe that more of that can be had and will be had. And I hate to bring up your boy, Jamo, okay? You love your, I want more of what we saw down the stretch from Jamo. Now they're at two different places. I hope you know that. Yes. They're at two different places. We know. Sam. If you understand that I'm saying that Jamo that I saw down the stretch, I'm like, give me more inject, inject, given him the ball. Yes. Just, just inject that in me five, eight times a game. Make sure that you get, find a way to get that guy, the ball. And, and I think the same thing could be here. I'm going to do it for you. So you don't have to do it. The same thing can be said for hutch as good as he is. You know what, I want him to get to that point where guys are going, why are we even having this, that, that is a great defensive player. Stop it. When you don't have to ask that question, that, I think that's the point that hutch can get to. I really do. No, and that's, that's 100% fair. I definitely had my arguments with pretty much everybody in here, the chat, Neil rule about Aidan Hutchinson. And my point with him has always been, of course, there's another gear. I mean, I damn near did a back flip when the Lions drafted him. I loved watching him at Michigan. I've loved watching him ever since he came here, especially in the playoffs. It's just that even if he doesn't take a step, which he will, I still think he's a top eight edge rusher in the league, no doubt about it, maybe creeping at top six. It's just, if he can be top three, he's got the talent and now he's got the help around him. And I'll tell you what, if he has a 17 sack season, it'll be a hell of a lot more impactful than the seasons that Danielle Hunter and Trey Hendrickson had last year, given that I think Hutch is a much better disruptories, better against the run than all of them. I just, I think that he's, his ceiling is somebody like a, like a Nick Bosa, or at least like prime defensive player of the year winning Nick Bosa. I agree. That's fair. It'll be fun to see the progression because, you know, again, I think people, this, this isn't a guy, a grizzled veteran, man, they're, they're still a level there. And especially as they find a way to get him more help. I hope, again, that help comes in the form of bringing somebody from the outside. You know, I don't know what the answer is right now. I'm not saying Kaminsky was the answer, but I, I know I'd rather have a guy like that in the lineup. And now you have to find a guy like that to really, I think give him the charge and take some pressure off him so he can run a muck like we saw so often. And I think Terrell Williams is going to play a big role in bringing in a guy that Dan Campbell said is the best defensive line coach in the NFL. You look at what the defensive line looked like in that first preseason game. These are fourth and fifth string guys and they were getting after it. They were looking good. They were in the backfield, Mackay Wingo, whoo, like a couple of guys that I didn't even know were getting pressure on him a lot. And I think that'll help Hutchinson a lot having a Lee McNeil hopefully healthy for a whole season will help Hutchinson a lot. I'm excited. I expect a big gear on a hutch. I think DJ Reader is enough. I think he is the missing piece because he eats up two blocks. You no longer can chip triple double hutch at that point. If he stays healthy, look what he did for Trey Hendricks. And I'm just saying 17 sacks, hutch has the motor to get that and more. So I just with DJ Reader healthy, I really feel like he is the missing piece that that's you know, this defense has been missing. Man, we're talking about we're talking about someone potentially being a defensive player of the year candidate. 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Is it a coincidence, Flannel, that my home Seider Mill opens the same day that college football opens? Nice. I don't think that's a coincidence. Nice. I don't think that's a coincidence. Yeah, that's a guy. No, I'm with you, man. We're 12 days away. I don't care what anybody says, I love Week Zero. I wish college football would do a better job of putting a few more games in Week Zero, and even loading up those couple of Saturdays or Sundays leading up to the NFL. I think college football is missing a golden opportunity to do that, man. Hey, I don't hate it all. More college football more early on is a blessing. But Sean, I don't necessarily want to put you on the spot, but I have to ask, because I know you are as plugged in as any as an excited as any. Do you have any, what you would call, bold college football predictions or takes? I'm going to hate myself for saying this, but I think all the people that are handing out playoff spots in our backyard have to look at this a little bit closer. I don't think it's going to be as easy as some people make it out to be, because you got to remember the SEC is going to make their claims. The ACC is going to make their claims fraudulent or not. You know they're going to find a way to get a couple in. The big 12, they're going to get their claims in. Then you're going to get the at large, which I've already told you weeks ago, and I'm going to stick by it. Liberty is getting in whether you like it or not. So there we have it. I don't know, flannel, if there's a path there, and I'm getting ready for your eyes to just burn fire at me. I don't know if there's a path for Michigan to get into the playoff. I don't. And you know what I worry about? And this is the, please forgive me, because nobody has bashed this man as much as I have. Nobody has bashed this man as much as I have. Look at Penn State's fraudulent schedule. It is absolutely fraudulent. And James Franklin is going to pull a Franklin every year and lose a game or two. He has no business losing, but in this new year, let's play a game of pretend. They go 10 and two. How do you keep Penn State out? Man, and I'm so glad that you, well, you mentioned all of that, because if I have a bold college football take and it is extremely bold, and a lot of this has to do with schedules, so just hear me out. The big 10 is getting five teams in. Oh, five. I mean, it's because of the schedule. I mean, do we have any qualms with Ohio State and Oregon? No, no, no. I think Michigan is getting in. I think they're going 10 and two. I think they're beating Texas and I think that, if you beat Texas, I'll bet you're off. Sure. And then I think if they beat like Oregon and OSU are more coin flips than you think, although going to Columbus is going to be tough. But we'll see. And maybe Michigan will let a team hang around a little bit too, it'll be a little too close for comfort, like last season's Maryland, but I think it'll all end up with them being 10 and two. I think Penn State will get in because of their schedule and because they're very talented. They've got Abdul Carter, they, Julian Fleming transfer. I think Drew Aller is a pretty good quarterback. They got a running back there. They have six of the top 135 on the PFF big board, and I think the only game they're losing is to Ohio State. But do you know who else I think is? Ooh, you got an 11 and one? I'm at 11 and one. Okay. All right. Do you know who else I have at 11 and one? Iowa. Yeah. The Iowa hot guys. Wow. Have you seen their schedule? They don't play Oregon. They don't play Michigan. They don't play Penn State. They'll go to Columbus and get clapped. I have no doubt about that. But if they can win at UCLA, if they can win at home against Wisconsin, if they can win at MSU. Not gonna happen. Hey, maybe not. More than that. We're not letting it happen. Iowa, that the pathway is there. And I get it. Kate McNamara. He did not look good that other day in practice, at least like all reports show. But he's been a starter at two schools. I think he's better than what they've had in recent, like very recent years, like wherever they had last year. Deacon Hill. Deacon Hill was terrible because Kate McNamara got hurt. If he comes back and he's healthy, I think they're an 11 and one team and their secondary is really good. It's one of the best in the country. They've got an NFL linebacker, an NFL tight end. I think five teams from the Big Ten is making the college football playoff and Penn State and Iowa almost entirely due to schedule. It's a thing. It's not like Penn State and Oregon and they're not arguing with the schedule part. I think one thing that you are forgetting and this is why I said I am forgetting is James Franklin. You know what as well as I do. It's Benny, you know this, in the woulda, coulda, shoulda, didn't department, that shit Michigan State team should have beaten Iowa last year. Period. End of story. I mean, that game in my mind was over. Fucking Jay Johnson. Now let me say this and again, I can't say you're wrong and I'm not going to sit here and tell you you're wrong. If they get in five, how many does the SEC get in? Two or three. All right. So then, so let's let's eight, we're at eight. Let's say three. How many does the ACC get in? One or two. Well, that would be 10. How many does the Big 12 get in? One. Just one? Yes. Okay. Is it? I can't say you're wrong. Look, I'm not going to be a dick. You're wrong. Boy, I can't imagine any conference, including the muddy SEC getting five in. I just can't. And one of the reasons why I bring up the Big 10, because I did my contingencies in all of that. I said this last Friday when we were at Dispond Big D Energy, I think Alabama takes a big step back this year. I think with their schedule, given that they don't have Nick Saban, given all of the players that are gone from this team, I think that they're an eight-win regular season team. I think they have four losses. I mean, think about this, guys. Think about this. Listen to all that they lost. J.C. Latham, Dallas Turner, Terriana Arnold, Kool-Aid McKinstry, Chris Batbreswell, Jermaine Burton, Justin Aboy-B, Jase McClellan, and they lost Isaiah Bond and Caleb Downs to transfer. And they didn't really replenish it with as much known talent as you would think. They got a couple of really nice guards. They got Kian Saab from Michigan, another nice safety in Malachi Moore. But when you look at this talent on this Alabama team, to me, it's the world. It's worse since before Saban. I know they're quarterbacks coming back, but... So in other words, this is a typical Alabama off-season? Yeah. No, we all know. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I've still needed to see it. I've still needed to see it. I mean, I'm just here. Alabama, 12-2-10. The difference? This is where I'll get your back, is Nick Saban's not here. Exactly. But he's still... I'm sorry. That's the difference. Alabama... I still need to see it first. Okay, but the talent coming back is not what it was. We saw it last year. We knew that it wasn't going to be quite the same at the skill position, and it turned out that way. Jason McClellan is fine. He's not what they're used to. Jermaine Burton is fine. Isaiah Bond was fine. It's not what Alabama was used to. Jalen Milro was fine. It's not what Alabama was used to. So like the Bryce Youngs. So who are your three SEC teams? Georgia and who else? It would be if... I think Georgia, it might be Georgia, LSU, and Ole Miss, and I don't know if LSU... Texas isn't going to make it? Texas isn't going to make it. I don't think Texas is going to make it. I think they lost a lot too, and because of their schedule. I got Alabama at... When you were still there? Alabama at four losses in Texas at three. All these teams losing so much and not falling apart, but Michigan isn't. But Michigan's got four of the top 18 in the PFF big board. No school in America has that. They're all on defense? Well, three of them are on defense. Three of them are on defense. I mean, they... Colson Loveland. Colson Loveland? Yeah, Colson Loveland wasn't up there? No. He's like in the '90s, but he's still... He's still... He's projected to be in the third round. Yeah. And then they got Jason Barnum at... I don't think enough people are taking... And again, using your criteria or my criteria, I think the overall point remains to me this year. This is a journey none of us have taken. Yeah. So I can't say you're right, you're right, you're right, or anybody else is right out there. I just think with all things being considered, and this is the bell that I've been ringing, okay? A lot of people sit back and say, well, nine and three might be good enough to get you in. It might be for some teams, and it might not be for other teams, right? And I'm going to use what you just said as an example to help me out. There are some schedules out there that are... All right, for the sake of an argument, okay? I'm going to pretend that Iowa goes 11-1. Yeah. I'm going to pretend that Iowa goes 11-1. Let's even play that game of pretend that Iowa fraudulently goes back to the big 10 championship game, okay? Once again, sacrificial land. So let me ask you, there are 11 and two, Penn State, Michigan, nine and three. Who does the committee take? And you got to think Notre Dame's going to get in there too. Yeah. That's... No, I understand. That's tough. But you... I mean, and that's... Who gets penalized for those... I've been trying to make this argument for weeks. I get it. Look, quality of loss with steel matter in this game. I think it should. You're right. Yeah. But again, all things considered equal, and this is where I'd love to be in the room when they had these conversations. In Michigan, over Penn State. Oh, Iowa's 11-1 and didn't beat Dick, okay? Michigan's nine and three, and they lost to three damn good teams who were all going to the playoffs. Let's assume that they lose the Texas. Because I'm with you. Michigan goes 10-2. It's over. Yeah. Michigan's going in. You're out of your mind if you don't think they're going in. What do you do at that point in time? Or, you know who I... I'm going to say it again. I think Miami could be a fraudulently good team this year. I do. I think Miami could be a fraud. And I think their quarterback has a really good chance. You think they take a ACC team over a Big Ten team that they are really trying to push? If you finish the scenario that he just talked about, if you're 10-2, if you're God forbid 11-1 or something like that, I'd be terrified. I would be, especially if you have a legitimate Heisman Trophy candidate, which I think they do this year. And just in some of the conversations, sorry to be the douche, I'm a Heisman voter, some of the conversations that I've had with other guys, his name keeps coming up for a reason. Now, I'm not going to sit there and pretend like I know everything about this game. But that's one of those names on the radar. And he's another coach, by the way, while we're at it. Yeah, Christopher. You have to account for the fact that Christopher Ball is going to fuck up. Yes, he is. Like you just said you're watched to it like Frank, but he's going to fuck up. So that's what's cool about this season though is, like I said, I'm not going to argue with you that it's going to go your way. But I think there's going to be some damn good nine and three teams out there. And God forbid some brands, they're going to be sitting at home. True, but they are going to favor the SEC and the Big Ten because there's no question about it. Especially the Big Ten with the new realignment and everything. They want to push that as much as they do. I still think in that order though, I still think it's going to be SEC. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to be fun. I can't wait for this. This is all new for all of us, you know. Well, and just for the record because when I say that Michigan is going to make the playoff and that Alabama is going to win eight games, I'm not saying that they're so far apart in terms of skill level in terms of quality of team. We talk about Michigan having a good having a more difficult schedule than in years than in recent years. They are home against Oregon, they're home against Texas, they are at Ohio State. I'm taking a little gander at Alabama's schedule, home against Georgia, I'd probably pick them to lose. At Tennessee, at LSU, at Oklahoma, at Wisconsin, that's a lot of road games for a team that is not as talented as previous Alabama teams. I don't care what anybody says, you can say that they replenish in all of that. This isn't from even a few years ago. It's just not. I get you. I know that there- I just need to see it first. That's fine. You're going to see it this year. That's my prediction. And even Texas, you've got at Michigan, I think they're going to lose that one, home versus Georgia, the Red River, river rivalry versus Oklahoma, neutral, and then at A&M. And I think A&M is a sneaky good one as well. That's- You too, actually. It's funny you say that. Hey, Connor Wigman. You know what? But, and this goes back to what we were just talking about too, you know, there, let's not forget here we're talking about some of the sneakies. What about little Iowa State? I know, and I'm not being funny, look at, look at what Iowa State has and look at their schedule. What are the chances a team like that kind of swoops in or does something? You know what I mean? I'm like, those are the things that, like, we have to take this all into consideration. Spending, you're right. It's almost like, oh yeah. And then there's Notre Dame, because you know as sure as I sit here and breathe, Notre game goes nine and three. They're going to be in the playoffs. Yeah. You better all accept- Yeah. Come on. They can't lose up to me on that schedule. You've been long, you've been around long enough. If they can find a way to get Notre Dame in, they're going to find a way to get Notre Dame in. I'm not saying it's right. I hope you know that. I'm not, with all due respect to Rocco Spindler and the Spindler family. I'm not saying it's right, but if there is a door for them to slide Notre Dame in, they're going to find a way to do it, man. I think it depends on what other teams do. Nine and three, that's the huge, but now you're making my argument. 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How'd you like to for a no, but any who the Scott Harris and was talking about a core before the season, identifying a core and I think we as Tigers fans have different ideas of maybe who the core is or who's in it, who's not, who may be, who may not be. But do you think the Tigers, I want to ask you two questions. A, do you think the Tigers have identified their core and B, what's your core? I think the answer to A is for the most part. I think for the most part and unfortunately, we have to continue a year away from being a year away for another year. I mean, that's a reality of it, you know. You know, to me now, now, who is my core? I can't say yet and here's why we haven't seen enough of these guys. I refuse, refuse to go down the Al-Avilla Road that so many of you went down. Whether you want to admit it or not, I don't care. I lived it here where we were talking about these myths. I mean, all, all the names, you guys know all the names, okay? I refute, I want to see it now. I'm sorry. I want to see a bigger sample size, sample size of Dangler. I want to see Sweeney. I want to see all these things because before they just say, oh, just wait, just wait. And when I would go look at the numbers because, you know, Google is your friend, I would go, guys, are you? No, I'm not talking to you because I know you do it all the time. Am I missing something? Because I'm told that I have to go look at this easy guy and his numbers are shit. Like what? Am I missing something? And that was the case with so many of these guys. So for me, unfortunately, flannel, I'm I'm jaded guy right now. In my brain, I have a general idea who I'd like to see, but I'm at show me now. I mean, we're, we're coming up on eight years of them trying to pawn all these koo-choo-choo prospects at us. Now you have to show me, I don't want to hear it anymore. Now you have to show me that's fair, especially considering I feel like when it comes to every single core member, no matter if you think that if they can play or cannot, there's question marks about all of them, glaring question marks about even the ones that we think the highest of and have accomplished the most. So a cagey, I got to ask you the same question. A, do you think the tigers have identified their core and B, what would be your core? I'm much like Sean up here. I believe they have identified their core, not exactly sure, but if I had to pick Riley Green, Coke Keith, as of right now, Terry Skubel, if you want to throw resulsing in there, fine. Dingler. I'm still not counting. Dingler. Well, they are. I'm sorry. Yeah. I don't want to speak for you. They are. You know, they are. I think Justin Henry, Malloy, has done enough to garner, you know, core talk. I feel like Kerry Carpenter has shown enough this year if he can come back healthy. He's in that core as well. And I think that's it. And maybe you argue when sale Perez, but I mean, that's your core going forward. Now, I think that's a good enough core that you can build upon, but it's all going to come down to what's been the problem with the tigers all along. How much money are you willing to spend? And if you truly believe in Scott Harris's, you know, draft being able to identify talent and all that, how are you going to facilitate this team until your young guys are up here? And then once they're up here, of course, they're not going to take the league by storm. You need to have a foundation in place in order for them to, you know, get around the learning curve. Can I jump in really quickly before we hear from you, spend? I thought my buddy Tony Paul did a great job of pointing something out in lieu of what the tigers did and did not do at the trade deadline. One thing that we have to take into consideration here, all the names you just mentioned, all the names you mentioned, all the names that you mentioned, all the names that everybody mentioned. How many of them are Harris guys? Not a lot. That counts for something. I don't care what anybody says that this is why this year was an evaluation year, though, because there's a lot of alavela guys still left. You got it. And Tony brought that up. And I don't remember if it was an article or tweet or something. I was like, gosh, damn it, Paul, that's another great point because I mean, really that's so maybe he's slow playing this because, well, it could be A, maybe some of these guys don't got it and he knows it, or B, he wants this to be, I want people talking about these alavela guys. I want them talking about Harris guys. I think it's an interesting question and maybe just maybe one that answers why they weren't as aggressive. That's interesting. When I got Harris guys off the top of my head, Justin Henry Malloy, and then like guys like Max Clark and Bryce Rainer. Right. Right. Yeah. And to me, you can't really judge Scott Harris until his guys get up here. I know there's still a little bit of ways from now. You can judge him on trades and things of that nature, but you can't truly judge him until his guys get up here. At least they might have been. That's my opinion. We'll see. Because it might, it might still be a while, but a Spenmo Rex, do you have who you believe is the Detroit Tigers core? Like what's your core? Yeah. I think I do. I'm going pretty much the same with you guys. I think it's obviously Riley Green. Yeah. You got Colke Keith. You got Dangler, Terry Scuba, throw results in there. I think Malloy and Wenzel Perez are good secondary pieces. I wouldn't consider them core players, but I think they can be good, you know, sixth, seventh batting order type guys. Eventually, Max Clark will be there hopefully sooner rather than later. But I do think you need to go out and grab some pieces to supplement that next year. I think you have the makings of a team that can be good to go. You're really waiting for your two shining pieces in Jackson Job and Max Clark to break through. But I think that'll be happening. Jackson Job will be your starting pitcher next year. Like he'll be your number two pitcher next year going out of camp ready to go. It'll be schoolable, Job, then Olson, hopefully your first three in the rotation. Max Clark, I really, I really kind of want to see him play next year. And I don't think he could be a September call up next year. But if he goes out there and he has a spring the way he's been hitting recently, I think you should be an Erie right now. He's too good for high A. He's already proven that. Yeah. There's one player, the longest hitting streak for the high A Tigers team is nine games. And that is Max Clark because he had played nine games for the high A team at that point. So he's too good. He's already shown that he should be an Erie right now. He starts the season with Toledo next year at the very least. I think he could be a September call up. Oh, if he starts the season, even if he starts the season at Toledo, I will be a little bricked just because you think when it comes to Max Clark that he's a couple of years away and maybe he still is. But if you see him even on the, if you see him in the majors next September, I'm feeling pretty damn good. I love hearing you talk about shiny things and that goes back to part of the reason why I'm so jaded. You know, I mean, if we're being honest, you know what shiny things we were told we're coming. Yeah. Spencer Torkelson. That's true. Riley Green. He's shiny. Casey Mize. Mm-hmm. Kristen Stewart. Yeah. Des Cameron. Right. And fill in the blank catcher of the future. I mean, and that different guys held that title, right? And I think that's why so many people like me are saying, and again, spending, I'm not saying that they're going to fail. Yeah. But because I've been down this road and I agree with you. We had this conversation. I like Riley Green, like there's a, there's nothing wrong with saying the dude's a good player. There's nothing, there's nothing wrong with that. And like somehow, some way some people got offended at that, but it's almost like the hutch conversation. He's here, but I think it can get there. Yeah. Health is a big, especially the legs. I worry about a guy that had some leg problems, but that's a story for a different day. So like, I'm sorry, Tigers. I'm sorry if I'm going to take the wait and see approach because you burned an entire generation of fans on your hashtag Detroit Roots Bullshit. Yeah. And that's what it was. Yeah. Okay. So pardon me. If I don't jump back into the waters. Hey, don't worry. The water's fine. I'm going to dip my toe in this time. Thank you. That's fair. I like, I like what I'm seeing. Obviously Max. I think Max Clark's going to be a no doubt stud. I think the kid's going to be a monster. I like Lorenzo, what he has been doing for the Tigers so far. She has been playing very well. McGonagall took a little step back, but he's getting back to where he was now. Yeah. I see J.C. Young on this Tigers team this year. Yeah. I need to see him getting some at bats at the end of the year this year. I don't know why, what's taking them so long. Oh, he can't play third base. I don't give a shit. Put him anywhere. Give him some D.H. at bats. Yeah. I need to see him getting major league of bats. That's, you are speaking my language so much. When we come back, I'm going to give you guys my core. But before we, before we head out, the fact that J.C. Young is not on this MLB roster right now. And I have to keep watching Ursula and Mckin Street at third base. Give him some service. I'm not going to do it. But like I want to. 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I'm just, he's, he's had too many extreme cold streaks, I'm not saying he's not going to be good. He got to be in the core about default, they paid him. That's true. It's the flannel Sam core. He's in their core obviously, I understand that and the reason why I brought up that caveat at the beginning that I'm either going to ride with them or, or go down with the ship is that I think one of the most disappointing things this season, other than of course a guy like Spencer Torkelson has been the injuries. I swore to the heavens that Riley Green would play at least 130 games this year and do it well. He still might get there, but he's got to get off the IL a little sooner rather than later for that to happen. But with Riley Green, unfortunately, it's been a trend. He played less than 100 games his first two years. This season he makes the All-Star team. He takes a tremendous leap across the board with all of his numbers, but he falls victim to the injury bug again, Kerry Carpenter is another one. Kerry Carpenter, you guys realize in 199 career games, he has an OPS of 831. That's pretty damn good. But he's another one that just last season, he had an injury this year, stress, you hear stress fracture in back and you get a little bit spooked out. He's been out since May, might come back to end the year, but still these are two guys who have missed a large portion of both this season and last season due to injury. In Tarek school, I think it's an obvious one, Reese Olson, I know he got hurt, but up until he got hurt, he was having a really damn good year on top of the September where he looked like prime Justin Verlander out there. And then Tyler Holton, I think you need a bullpen piece and he's the one who has continued on his stellar play from last year. I know it didn't look so good at times at the beginning, but he is on an absolute heater right now. What about your Bally Sports player of the week, Parker Meadows, eight hits, three to one batting average? I need to see a little. Ten forty eight opiates. I need to see a little more. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. That's my whole sentiment. Yeah. Can I ask you guys a question though? Absolutely. Honest to God, all three, how concerned are you about Riley Green moving forward? I have a little concerned with his injuries. Yeah. You know what? It's the legs. Yeah. That's what terrifies me. But I also have wet dreams of an outfield of Riley Green Parker Meadows and Max Clark. Right. Nobody would get hits. They would cover the, even in America. The last Badu was out there and then he could get into you and knock you over. Yeah. Oh my God. That would be the best defensive outfield in the major leagues. Right. So how worried are you guys about Riley Green? His health. I would say six out of ten. I would say, I was going to say four out of ten. Okay. I would say five out of ten. His, his health, yes, but I am, I am 100% sold in his play a hundred percent. There is nothing that I have to criticize about Riley Green on the field. But unfortunately, unfortunately, he's kind of the one who's been as snake bitten as any with an injury bug. And it's been consistent ever since he's come up in the major leagues. I mean, he missed hit the start of 2022 because he, he broke his foot in spring training when he was absolutely dominating. I just, I would love to see it. And now is it a problem that you got two players in your court at her injury prone? Yes. Of course it is. That's why I'm saying I'm either going to ride with him or go down with the ship. I mean, you didn't see Derek school. I'm really, I can't stress this enough because so many things keep happening to his legs. Yes. I'm not a doctor nor do I play a doctor. I will leave that to Dr. Pierce. But yeah, you have to worry about it. I mean, how, how much juice is in the legs when the legs go man, it goes, it all goes when the legs go. So I know I'm not saying it's there yet. But the fact that you keep having these moments, man, it's, it's terrifying. I already got that gimpy run, you know, people actually use that against Riley Green. He looks like an idiot when he runs. Yeah, I'm not. I will never. He still gets there. But his run is crazy though. But he's also the best offensive player on the team for sure. Yeah, for sure. And Kerry Carperters too. And then I don't know who's three. Cole Keith. Probably. Yeah. Cole Keith's month of July. He looked like Barry Bonds. It's just there's been there's still too much bad that and I get it. He's just a rookie, which is why I think he can be into this core. But I'm not real willing to just stamp him right now. Cole Keith is in the core. Although Terry Foster said he would have better numbers by the end of the season than Riley Green. I was never even going to bring that up. But I just have to. He did. He said that. He did say that. He did say that Barry Bonds was an absolute free. Yes. And for those of you out there that don't remember, just do one thing today. Go look at Barry Bonds numbers. Man. Honestly. You're self a favor. If you're a stat guy, go look at Barry Bonds numbers in particular his last few years. It's ridiculous. It's fake. It's all fake except it wasn't like it was all fake, but it wasn't. I don't care about the Jews. I don't care. Bring steroids back. Either baseball. Best era of bait. NFL passed you up because y'all frowned upon steroids. Baseball has to own it. I'm sorry. I said it then. I say it now. Everybody and their brother knew what the hell was going on. No, we don't act. But you didn't own it. We can all know it and nobody cared. Yeah. Because it was awesome. Because it was awesome. Literally. Because they're in 500 foot home runs. Your clemons wasn't getting vitamin B shots in his ass. Right. They were breaking into live news to watch Mark Maguire break the home run record. Like come on. Where are we talking about? Yep. I was certainly those are some of my formative years that Sammy so some Mark Maguire home run chases. Yeah. 73. Those were some memories. But yeah, to bring back Barry Bonds real quick before we go to break. He was getting like 1300 14 OPS seasons just you still got to hit the ball. I don't care about it. You still got to hit the ball. You still got to hit the ball. And one thing I also liked about Barry Bonds is when they weren't pitching to him, he just accepted his first base and went along because that is God to keep it alive. I'm talking about walks again. I swear. Hey, get on base, baby. Get on base. All right. Well, let me tell you about playing a fitness. Planet fitness is the home of the judgment for his own. 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Woodward Sports is your number one destination for all breaking news and Lions coverage. We are Detroit's number one sports network. We are Woodward Sports. We are Woodward Sports. We are Woodward Sports. Two PM to four PM on the Woodward Sports Network. Attention sports fans. Don't miss out on expert sports injury insights with Dr. Pierce of Michigan Sports and Spine. Join Dr. Jeff Pierce every Tuesday during Big D Energy and Thursdays during Hermione and Edwards, where he offers top-notch injury advice. Trust the guy that DMACC trusts. Dr. Jeff Pierce is here to keep you in the game and performing at your best. For more information visit michigansports@spine.com or call 248-426-9944. A last segment of the day, Big D Energy live on the Woodward Sports Network, Flannel Sam. We got Sean Belizean. We got KG in the audio booth and Spencer Raxter in the TD booth. All right. I've got a couple of mailbag questions and now this is an interesting one from dad with Toress. Taking into account the strength of the other NFC North teams, is it more likely the Lions to go undefeated or missed the playoffs? I almost didn't ask that question. The tale of two extreme. That's a good question though. I mean, since I have to answer the question, miss the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to say it. Neither are going to happen. Neither are going to say. If I have to answer the question, dad with Toress missed the playoffs. Yeah. I almost didn't want to read that one, but damn it I did. But Alan W, here's a good one to get us back on track. This is more substantive. Would you all be more worried about running into the Eagles with all the players they added or the Niners in the playoffs? Definitely the Eagles. Ooh. Because they just have more premier talent. San Francisco lost a lot. And I also think the Lions had them down 17 at the half, man. Like they can compete with the San Francisco 49ers. But I mean, the Eagles, if they can get it together, man, they have a squad. A year ago at this time, I was all about the Eagles. Yeah. I think I did a show with you. We have to figure out what happened to the Eagles. For it to fall apart the way that it did. That was weird. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I know they got pumped and everything. But for that whole thing to crumble the way that it did, that was really weird. But I'm with you. Yeah. Both sides of the body and that paper. I think that's a legit, I like the QB too. Yeah. People want to dog him. I think he's just one of those guys that finds a way to make plays, except down the stretch last year. They added two great coordinators in Vic Fangio and Kellen Moore. And so I think they're going to be a lot better. Obviously, I think Saequan helps. But I'm still going to say I'd rather see the Eagles because I don't think Nick Sirianni is a good head coach. I just don't think Nick Sirianni is a good head coach. I think that's why they fell apart last year was because they lost Jonathan Ganon and Shane Steichen. And so they just completely fell apart because Nick Sirianni can't get it done. Now they have good coordinators now, so I don't think that's going to happen. But Kyle Shanahan is a leagues better coach than Nick Sirianni. It was everything too. That was the thing about the Eagles because I like, I remember watching a couple of those games just going, wow, the one game against the awful Giants where Tommy DeVito. Yeah. It's a come on. Are you serious? It was awful. You make the same case for San Fran in the playoffs, man. And if you watch receiver, you'll know what I'm talking about. They were supposed to lose way before they got to the NFC Championship game with the Lions. And then they were supposed to lose that one as well, man. The wheels finally came off in the Super Bowl, but I mean, their postseason, I mean, kind of teetering like that. I'm not necessarily sold on San Franni, but I'm not. It's funny, though, because I know, Spenny, you mentioned it with a Nick Sirianni. To me, he's, you never want to say this about your head coach. And I get it. They went to the Super Bowl with him. He showed some promise. But Nick Sirianni is like a fuck boy. He's the complete opposite of Dan Campbell. They're both more leader of men style of head coaches, but once the 40, once the Eagles lost to Jonathan Gannon and Shane Steichen and then brought in their, their coordinators that they had last season, it just wasn't the same. And they had moments at the beginning of the year when it looked good, where I think they started the year 10 and one, but then it just all fell apart down the stretch. People I don't think want to work under Nick Sirianni. I think he's kind of a clown at this point. I really do. You can go to like five or six different instances of his antics, just being super like, like he is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Spenny is Nick's, like you can say Nick Sirianni is a fuck boy. Yes, you can't. You absolutely can't. He's a douche bag. How do you like that? Chief. He's a douche bag. His foot here. You say fuck. No, he is though. Like he's, he's not a good lead. Can you do that again, please? Do it one more time. Please. Oh, you like that. Chiefs fans. He actually did that though. Nice regular season win. Yeah. I'm with you. Such a douche. On which 100%. Yeah. I'm terrified of that roster still. Yeah. It's just the roster. Yeah. It's some, I'm terrified of it. No, I want to be very clear. I don't, I'm not discounting the Eagles. I think that they're going to be a good team. I think they're going to win the NFC East. But Nick Siriani, if it, if there's any sign of dissent anywhere, I think it could fall apart again because I think he's just one of the worst leaders in all of the apps. You guys, this is, this is all, it's, it's all a new point. Jerry Jones feels it in his bones. That's it. That this is the cowboy season. So this is it. You feel like some else in them bones. This is it. Yes. And he ain't worried about paying a CD with this, I heard about it. Man, they don't have anybody locked up long term. Yeah. Cowboys are a joke. Their owners got dementia and their teams falling apart. He probably does at this point. I swear. Unfortunately, but yes, but you guys certainly don't because you guys are going to remember this show. Obviously. Yeah. Hopefully you guys. Very good. But, yeah, this was a lot of fun. I believe you to thank you for, for coming in as always. You've been a staple on big D energy these past couple of weeks and of course we all remember him from his time on Belijian and Bell. That was a good times at Woodward Sports, but thank you again, Sean Belijian. Thank you, K.G. And thank you, Spedmo Rex and thank you through the all of the. Thank you, flannel. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Spedmo. Spedmo. Spedmo Rex. Spedmo Rex. A short circuit for a second. 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