Pop Culture Man Children
355: Nimona (2023)
(upbeat music) Welcome to PCMC. I'm your host, Mike Bonjorno. I am here today with my good friend Janine. Lean, mean. Gagliardi. - Hello. I'm definitely one of those things. - Mean? - Just mean as a snake. (laughs) - You are. Crooked as a snake. Crooked as a barrel of snakes. - Whoa. - Janine, how the, I'm gonna, I'm gonna-- - Don't, don't. - How the fuck are you? - God, I'm pretty good. - How the fuck are you? - I'm good, I'm okay, I'm good. - I'm glad to hear it. (laughs) I'm happy to be alive, I'm happy to be here. - I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm happy to be alive as well. I'm excited to talk about this. - Okay. - I'm a little worried. I'll be honest with you. - Why are you worried? - Well, you hadn't seen it, right? - No, it was on the list. I was interested, 'cause I really liked Shira. - Yes. Yeah, well, I think I'm worried that, 'cause let me tell you what I'm coming with. I'm coming with a lot of positive energy. - Okay. - I very much like this. - Okay. - And I feel like if you would liked it, you would have texted me that you liked it, and you have said nothing about it yet. - To be fair, one of my sons had surgery this week, so it was kind of a busy week. (laughs) - That's not my excuses. So I'm worried that you don't like it. - Okay, I, you're not wrong, I didn't love it. - Okay. - I thought it was cute, I didn't hate it. You know, I wanted to like it more than I did, and I found that the first, well, to be fair to this film, I had to watch it in two parts. - All right. - So I know that kind of like-- - And the movie is "Nomona." - "Nomona." That's right, we're gonna talk about it. - 23, "Nomona." - So animated movie got a lot of accolades. I think it was nominated for Best Animated Feature. - Yeah, fucking boring, the heron got it. - Love that movie. - Snooze. - But I watched it in two parts, and I watched like the first 56 minutes, the first time he sat down, and I turned to Bill, and I was like, I don't know why this movie is not grabbing me, like it has everything I would want. - You're right. - And it's just not getting me. - Interesting. - And then I finished it, I liked it more as the movie went on, but sometimes, like if I looked away for a second, I'd be like, wait, what just happened? I had to rewind, like I found myself getting lost with this movie, and then I actually rewatched it today with the kids, because I thought, content-wise, like they could handle it, and I told them like, someone gets killed in the beginning, I'm like, you can cover your eyes. I don't know if it's gory in any way, but it's just like, it's a little intense. - Someone dies. - So, I was like, you can cover your eyes, I'll tell you what it is, and they wanted to like, they'd kind of like, do their fingers, but it was fast, so, you know, it's not super scary. But they loved it, and they kept for like rewinding parts. - Can you go wake them up so they could do this episode with me? - They can do this episode, come down. - You could take a, I'm gonna take the night off. - Take a break, I wanna talk to them about it. - So real, it would be the thrill of his life, to do an episode with you. - Love this movie. - I said, I asked them, I was like, did you like it? They're like, yeah, it's really, really funny, like they loved it. - Well, let me show you this, how did you feel about the character Nomomo or no? - I don't like her. - Really? - She's a bit much. - Oh, see, I think I, today I rewatched it, I just watched her scenes. - I find her so amazing. - I love her. - She reminds me of the way like, she wants to have like, like Bugs Bunny or something. Like it's just like, I'm on, I'm going, I'm saying funny things, I'm being, I love it. - She thinks she's funnier than she is. - Oh, come on, she's, I'm like a girl, like give it a rest. (laughing) - I found her so, I found her so delightful. - I found her so exhausting. I knew you'd find her delightful. She's like a manic pixie dream girl sort of in that way. Like she doesn't really fit that mold, but she's like, I'm quirky and weird, I'm not going to play a board game the right way, I'm going to do this. And I'm over here, I'm like, girl just take your Adderall and sit down, just relax. But she, and you know, I actually think it's a great voice performance. - Yes it is, yes it really is. - I really think it's a very, very good voice performance. I like Riz Ahmed in it. - Yeah, I think his performance is good too. - His is very subdued, almost too subdued in relation to her. Like he's so low energy versus her high energy, but I guess it's what you need. - Yeah, I really like all the voice performances. I like the animation style. - Yeah, I mean she does really nice. - I like the concept, and yet I think it's because, I think it's the barrier of not liking this character, not disliking her, but just like, I didn't love her. Like she's not, I don't care necessarily about her. I have a lot of questions that we can also get into. - Sure, sure. - About like, what's she been doing for a thousand years? What's she been up to? - I don't know. We'll talk about it. - Yeah. - So, Nomona is from 2023, it was released to Netflix. - Okay. - It was being produced by Blue Sky, which was an animation studio owned by Fox. And then when Disney bought Fox, they bought essentially Blue Sky, and they didn't want to continue developing this movie. The rumor is because of the queer content. - Right. - And then Netflix came in, and they were kind of like done. They were like, we think they were like closed. They were like, "Shit, this movie's not going to happen." Like even though they mean a lot of it. And then Netflix came in in the 12th hour and got it over the finish line. And it was nominated for an Oscar for "Best Anime" feature. It was robbed by, if I can, the boy in the hearing. - You have a beautiful following, I suggest you all see it. I encourage you all. - So, "Nomona" is directed by Nick Bruno and Troy Queen. - No, who were they? Like, are they from anything we would know? - I don't know. - Okay. - I think their animation dies. - It had, there were eight writing credits on it. - Oh. - A lot of people wrote on this movie. - So this is a character created by Andy Stevenson. - Yes. - Who you could call Nate. - Nate or Andy, he goes by Andy as well. As like a nickname for Andy, I guess. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Andy, he's kind of like. - Oh, now I get it. I was, I didn't get that sort of Andy. - Yeah, it's cute. - I like that. - I thought he was a big Indiana Jones fan. - He loves Andy. - I was like the goal of walking into one and be like, "Kombi, Andy." - But like as the initials, then it's like Andy, Andy. - Yeah. They were previously one under the name, Noelle Stevenson. - I don't know if they've, like, corrected-- - They have, because if you look at new versions of-- - Like the new editions have-- - Yeah, the new editions of the Mona have Andy. - Okay, okay. - Instead of Noelle. - Right. - But Noelle, he used the name Noelle for a long time, because Noelle was the name on original Mona, on Lumber jeans, which I love, and on Shera. - Okay, yeah, right, right, right. I knew of Shera through, you know, as a-- - And Shera, for me-- - I don't wanna keep dead naming him though. - Right, no, that's just the name that he used to use. Shera was the big thing for me. Like, I really, I still say like Shera-- - I love Shera. - It's the best-- - Such a great series. - Anything that franchise, it's so good. - Like, I love Shera, I really do, like, I really love-- - Do you love, um, who was a really fun one? The one who, like, worked with Hordak? - Yes, I did. And you know why? - Oh my, it's her name. - It was like tech, something, was it something with tech? And Trapta. - And Trapta. - And Trapta, right. But then you don't like pneumonia. - And Trapta wasn't this bean character. - We got bits of-- - And Trapta. - I want bits of pneumonia. I think it would, like, pneumonia better if I saw her very healthily. - (laughing) - But in Trapta, I get it, yeah. She's a similar character and kinda like, yeah, what's-- - Right. - Okay, Harley Quinn, in the new series for Max, is like, brash and loud. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But is not, like, I get her impetus. I get her journey. I get like, she's trying to make it in the world of villain. She has a clear plan. - Yeah. - No, pneumonia is just sort of like, chaotic for the sake of being quirky and chaotic. - Yes. - I'm like, all right, we get it. You're not like the other girls. (laughing) I just, I don't know. - But she's not a girl. - She's not a girl. She says that many times. - She says many times I'm not a girl. Which I love. - Or I'm not people. - Yes. - And then at one point, Bao says, like, oh, so you're a boy today. You're so you're a boy now. And no, no, no says I am today. - Yeah. So it's a beautiful, like, illustration illusion metaphor for trans. - And he even says that he did not write this character with that in mind. And that at that point, he was not on that journey. - But he does say that he feels like it must have been coming out of a subconscious. We talked about this when we talked about, when we did our episodes on The Matrix movies, right? Because the both directors of The Matrix used to identify as male and now identify as female. - Yes. - And the real journey is about. - There's so much in there. So much change, yeah. - Yeah, the body changes. You know, it's, I think it's actually a really, what makes it, I think a really good metaphor for being trans is I think that we often, and I don't, we haven't said, and I'm assuming people, if you haven't seen it, like the, the, what Nimona is, she can magically change into other animals. - She's very much the same. - She's very much the same shifter. - Yeah, like she has the same powers, almost as like Beast Boy. - Beast Boy, yeah, very, very similar. - But she cannot turn into inanimate objects. - In the comic, she can, but she, it's hard for her to turn back. - Oh, okay, okay, okay. - So she doesn't. - So, okay, so, all right. So then in the film, - The film, she just turns into animals. - Yeah. - Except for, yeah, okay. The film, she lives in animals, and she has pink hair and she could turn into, the animal she turns to always pink. - Right. - But she can turn into her original form. Like she does what she said, boy. - Yeah. - But so, why do you think it's so, and I'm not a trans person, so I can't speak from experience, but I think, I think when we think, why I think it's so good is like, I think when we think of trans, right, we actually don't think about the trans of it, meaning the transition, like the flux of it. I think we think of the M to F, or F to F. - Right, right, right, right. - We think of, oh, right, right. - The beginning and the end. - Right, right, we think like, oh, you are this now, you're that now. - When often trans might be for somebody, that actual liminal change. - Yeah, yeah. - Like, Nomona often takes the form of a young girl, right? But as she says, she's not a girl, she's not a people. She is all of it, she is a whale, she is an ostrich, she is a parrot. She's a lot of things, she's an otter. Like, she is all those things. And I don't know, maybe it's my own naivete, but it was the first time I thought of like, yeah, trans, trans means change, move. - For a movement. - Yeah, like, trans is not a thing, it's like, you know, so. - It's emotion, right? - Yeah, no, I, especially in that part where Bal asks her, what does it feel like? - Yes. - And she says, it feels like, I feel itchy inside. - Well, she feels like, she's, he goes-- - I feel much better when I do it than I know. - Yeah, he goes, doesn't hurt to do it, she says no, but when I don't do it, it hurts. - Yeah, it hurts, yeah. - And she said I would die. And he's like, really? - And she's like, no. - But when we're living, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So it's really, it's so interesting. I wanna read the comic. - I see, I do too. - 'Cause, did you watch that video, isn't you? - Yes, I was able to watch it. - So Bal says much more like villainous, actually a villain in it. - Yeah, actually a villain. Or at least an anti-hero. - Yeah. - But I found that so many of her like long diatribes or not even diatribes would be like, do you wanna do x, y, z, and then it's like so long. I'm like, I-- - I'm sitting there eating popcorn right now. (laughs) - I love it. - And I'm like, I could see the speech bubble, you know? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. - And I'm like, this works on the page, I think. I don't necessarily wanna hear it. - You know, I think her-- - At me, right? - Her concept going-- - And she's like, great delivery. - Like, oh, like, I mean, I would write down the quips. Like, when he's in the jail cell and she's like, don't worry, I know the, I know the code. She does it, it was boop, boop, boop, boop. And it says like, wrong code and then she hits it and it's like, and I'm like, why did she pretend to not, like, why didn't she just hit it? Like, why do the boop, boop, boop, boop? - 'Cause she's hilarious, she's enjoying lying. - She's crazy. - She's enjoying lying. - She's like, slamming all the things of arm or down. - She says metal, I love it. - Metal, some metal, I wanna break stuff. - Or what she sees that he has-- - Oh, you get to murder someone, she's a murder wall? Oh, how many people are gonna kill? I'm like, oh. - But in the comics she does. She murders people, she's fun. - Yeah, that's fun. - And yeah, so let's talk a little bit about what the story is. So it's just like, a medieval future. - A futuristic medieval world. - Yeah, yeah. - It's the future. - It's the future. - Times had access to technology that's more advanced than us, but everything stayed the same in terms of tradition. So there's still knights and people kind of dress the same way that they did, except some people have hoodies and something more. - And they're still a culture of dragons and peasants and-- - Well, there's definitely a hierarchy, like a social hierarchy. - Yeah, and if you look at, they have funny things, like a Gatorade, but it's called Slayerade, shit like that. - Yeah. And it's very much in that world of Arthurian night. - The Queen. - Yeah, there's a Queen as their leader. - But they live in, these characters live in a city that's actually has a giant wall around it, protecting it from the outside where they say there are monsters. - Right. - And they don't go past the wall. - Yeah. - But they're flying cars and shit like that. - Yeah, they have like, times where billboards and stuff. Like it's very modern looking. - TV and stuff like that. Like yeah. - They have phones. - Yeah, yes, right. - Yeah. - They have YouTube, a version of YouTube. - So our main knight, Baluster, Boldheart. - Yes. - He is a street, there's a lot of exposition dumping right in the beginning, right? - Yeah. - So he's a street kid from nowhere who is chosen. - Street, right. - Yeah, by the Queen to become a knight because he wanted to be a knight. - Yeah. - And then he spent, like I would say, like 20 years at the institution. - Right, the institution's interesting 'cause they don't get that into what it is. 'Cause it's a school, but it's also the government. - Yeah. They called the institute and it train, it's responsible for the training of the knights. - Right. - And they, we open on, like this is the knighting ceremony and they're doing like, "Man on the street interviews." And they're like, "Can this commoner become a knight?" And people are like, "That's not what Glorath would've wanted." So they have this huge statue in the center of the city of a knight who's holding out her sword, like pointing to like the outside and go back from the shadows from once again. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And that's Glorath. And Glorath is like the hero of this culture of this city. - Right. - And they're always like, "Oh my God." - Glorath or by the name of Glorath. - Right. - She banished a monster and now they all live in this culture of, "There are monsters beyond the gate, but we will, the knights will protect you from monsters." - Right. - And she's like, "Oh my Glorath." Like, Glorath is like, they're everything. - Yeah. - She's a giant presence 'cause she's this big statue. - Yeah. - But she's like, everything. And one of the characters is a direct descendant of her. - Right. And that's a Bowser boyfriend. - Ambrosius. - Ambrosius Golden Loyn. - Yeah, which is great. - He's great. I like him. - Yeah. - He's always lit. Did you notice that? - Yes, yes. - No matter what scene he's in, he has the spotlight on him. - Yes. - And he's the golden boy. He's the literal golden boy. - He's the literal golden boy. - He's the heir of Glorath and he's, you know, the one they all want to be the knight. - Right. - He loves bolt hard. He loves Bowser. - Right. - Who looks like Riz Ahmed. So very big eyes. - Yes. - He's very big little things. - I think Riz might sort of soft the voice. I think actually worked. - I think it worked. I liked it, yeah. - People sometimes are like, I don't like when real actors are in animated movies because they were great voice actors that, you know, and I like, I get that. - Yeah. - I totally get that. But I also think like, see, to me where that's a problem is when it's like the Yogi Bear movie with Justin Timberlake is Boo Boo. Like, there's nothing Justin Timberlake has. - I know, he's not bringing anything to the role. - You just want his name on the poster. - Yeah. - This is different. - I think Chloe Moretz does a great job. - It's a great job. - I think Riz Ahmed does a great job. - I think we did. - The Queen difficult lines to sell. And she's told them. - The Queen is voiced by what's her name? Who is also Shadow Weaver? - Oh, that Lorraine Tussant? - Yes. - I was like, I recognize her from somewhere. - Shadow Weaver. - Yeah, there you go. I love her voice. - Yeah. - She's in it briefly. - You know what? - Spoiler, she gets killed. - Yes. Now I'm thinking about it. Catcher also reminds me a little bit of no more. 'Cause she has that. - Yeah. - She has to do the pointy teeth. - And I love the pointy teeth. - Yeah, I like the pointy teeth too. - Peter was scared whenever her eyes turned white. He was like, no. - When she does that thing, when she's like, she sees his metal hand and she's like, did they let you keep it? I thought I found the point. - Yeah, like her. Oh, I'm like, oh man, she's so dang. - She's so dang. - No, she's not dang. But she's like those internet memes. Like the face is getting like more scrunched up or like your eyes are, that's her. - What about when she goes to shark? - I'm a shark. - I love it. I love it. - She's like, I don't see a gen. - Oh, Jen? - Jen has, oh, don't say that about Jen. - No, Jen has-- - Don't do Jen dirty like that. - Jen has a wonderful energy. - I agree, I think Jen has a wonderful energy. I would never-- - And she sometimes has that energy. - She does not exhaust me. - Interesting, interesting. - Nimona's frenetic. - Sure. - And I find that to be off-putting, just in general. Like for instance, the first episode of Rick and Morty, like it took me a while to get into the show, Rick and Morty because-- - Is that right? - That first show where he's like, Morty, come on, he's like breaking into the room and just like talking nonsense. I'm like, I can't do it. Like I need a minute. Like I get overwhelmed. So-- - So do you dislike Deadpool? - I don't love him. - Because Deadpool, especially in this new one, Deadpool is just annoying. - I feel-- - Like there's a scene that you, I don't know if you've seen online where Wolverine's just like, shut the fuck up. You're a fucking loser like it, it just goes off. And the Deadpool's just silent and he's like, I'm gonna fight you now. - I feel that way. I don't love Deadpool. Honestly, I've seen him in the first two movies once. Like I've never rewatched them. I'm like, I got it. I got what I needed from this. I guess I'm not-- - So you don't like Joy. You don't like Joy. - I'm Joy. I like Joy from Inside Out. - Yeah. So Riz Ahmed's character. - Yeah. - He's being knighted by the Queen. - Right. - And as she knights him, it's just like in the, you know, medieval time. She knights him, like hits him on either shoulder with his own sword. - The end of his sword opens up, the hilt. - Yeah, and a fucking green laser comes out. - She shoots her right through the chest. - Yeah, and golden loin. - I couldn't follow what happened in that moment. I had to rewatch it 'cause I was like, I thought he tried to stop the laser from going through her and like shot it up. Like, I thought it was like a recoil thing where it was like, oh, right, right, right. But I didn't realize that he had cut his arm off - Right, right. - until-- - And this would go back. - They're boyfriends. - They're boyfriends. - We've already established that they're together. - Yeah. - Which is so funny because we have, you know, people in our lives who have same sex relationships that our kids know. So they know, you know, boys can be with boys, women can be with women. And it's so funny. The whole movie, Peter is like, that guy's best friend. He did. (laughs) It's like they are best friends. I mean, yes, if there's a good relationship they are best friends. - If they're good relationship, he said he was my best friend. - Yes. - So, yeah. - Yeah, he cuts his-- (laughs) That's funny. He cuts his arm off and then everyone thinks, everyone calling him the queen killer, he goes into hiding. And that's when pneumonia, now we, like you said, we don't know what she's been doing for a thousand years. - Yeah, she's spray painting. - Yeah, we see her spray painting. - Yeah. - I imagine it would be easy for her to get by because she can turn into anybody. - Anything. - So if she needs food, she can get it, you know. - But the fact that she's spray painting kind of says that she likes just making trouble. - Yeah, and then she sees him on the wanted, like on the news and like he's perfect. - Yeah. - I'm like, for what? Girl, you're just doing over this. - She goes and she like says like, she goes and like finds this evil layer and it's like this broken down old like, I guess hassle or something. - Yeah. - And she's like, I want to apply to be your-- - Yes. - But it's not cars, it's like whatever, a spaceship or whatever, broken down ads front. - She applies to be his psychic. She's like, all villains need a sidekick. - Yeah. - And comedy ensues. - Yeah, he's like, what job? I don't need a sidekick, I'm innocent. And she's like, I'm kind of disappointed. You're not a murder killer villain. And so he goes to get help, I guess goes to find his boyfriend and he immediately gets arrested and in jail. So she saves him and then they have the big sequence of her turning his-- - That's a great action sequence. Like the animation-- - The animation sequences are really fun. - Of her turning into all these different-- And then like she turns into a giant blue whale, she's pink blue whale. And it's like, so it makes, this is the nerd in me is like, so she can change her mass because that's pretty big. - Yeah. - In versions of Teen Titan, some versions, Beast Boy has to eat a lot to do that. - Oh. - But whatever, she can do it. - It's a primordial. - She's also magic working here, not sci-fi. - Yeah, she seems like she's an old god or something. - Yes, yes, there's, yeah, because we-- - We really don't know anything about her. - She tells the fake story. - Exists, right. We see her backstory, she tells a fake story about like a wishing whale or something. But then we see what happens to her and I think the flashback is probably true, right? - Oh yeah, I believe the flashback is true. And it breaks my heart. - We also know where she comes from. She just kind of exists. - Right, she has the power. She just is someone who has that power to turn it through that. And the flashback is about how she-- - I think there is a story, a backstory though, in the comics. - In the comics, they still don't see where she comes from. - Oh no, okay. - But they-- - I don't get parents in the comics 'cause there was some comics on it. - She's like a changed thing or something. - Where they were like, she got sick and then had magic and then her parents rejected her because they thought she was a changeling. - Okay. - Like that's a backstory. Like this, I kind of like that we don't know. I don't need to know. I assume she is like a kathanist god. Like she's from, you know, she just exists in that world. - And if we're extending the metaphor, it would be like, why are there trans people? Like 'cause they're just awesome. - They're just awesome. - They just exist, right? They're a fact of life. - Yeah. - Yeah, so we do see her backstory in that respect. But we really don't know much about her. - I really like-- - We still don't know what she can do in for a thousand years. - I like the scene where she gives me a fake backstory 'cause it's all a way of fucking with him because there's a lot of like microaggressions that he does. - I also just like the he insists. Like, she's like, I told you, I'm nomena. And she doesn't many times. And he's like, that's not an answer. - Right. - That tells me absolutely nothing about this mind-blowing situation. - In the subway, you hear somebody, you hear a speaker say, if you see something, slay something, which come on, that's worth the price of admission. - At one point, she, I'm just looking at my notes, who has four thumbs and greater distractions. And then she has four thumbs. She's a little bit like Biddle Juice in that moment. I liked when, I wish she did more hybrid shit. Like when she looks like a human, but has the giant wing, so I was like, yeah, do more of that shit. - Yeah, it's fun, it's fun. - What? Oh, we are right. She tells us back. I like the way the backstory is animated too. It's done like that, I forget what the actual art piece is called, it's in Manhattan, it's in the city. I forget what train line is it to to, where you lock out the window and in the subway, like a zoetrope, it basically looks like it's animated. - Oh, okay. - Have you ever seen that? - I don't have it, no I haven't. - I think it's the two, there goes some Manhattan, Brooklyn. So she's sort of telling her story and you're seeing an animated like that. And then yeah, there's a wishing well. And she's like, I don't know, it was a wishing well. And I made a wish and, and I, you know, I was cursed to be trapped on a train with somebody asking me small minded questions. Yeah, and then her, the real story that we find out later on is that she was childhood friends with. - Glorath. - Right. - Which, that broke my heart. That whole sequence broke my heart. Because it's so sweet when they are friend becoming friends. And also like, you could see that little Mnemonis so afraid of changing. So when she changes and Glorath doesn't freak out, she like changes a bunch. - Yeah. - You're like, look at this, look at this. It's like showing who she is. - Yeah. - And she's so excited that someone finally accepts her. - Right. - And you see her like at the beginning of that sequence, like she's, she tries to make friends with a brother, tries to make friends with a brother. - Oh, that's the, yeah. - And no one's like taking the bait, like no one wants to be friends with her. - Yeah. - And then she finds Glorath. Now do we feel that that is her true form? - What, the, as the girl? - The little girl. - That's a great question. - I don't, no. - Right, it could easily be that she has no true form. - Right. - That she's anything. - She could be like vapor, right? - We don't know. - You would, the only reason narratively you would feel like it is is because everything else has this symbol color of pink. So it feels like it's an extension of what she is. - Of what she was, yeah, yeah. - Whereas the little girl looks like a normal human little girl, but that could just be the way it's animated. That's just a choice that they made. So I don't know, I don't know. I do think she, well, there's a point where she turns into a giant pink dragon, which is not a real animal, which is imitating the dragon that's on the cereal. And she's like shooting cereal out of her mouth, which is like part of her, okay. And then some little kid's scared and she sees the kid's scared, and then she turns into the original, like not who she is throughout the whole movie, but like her when she's a kid in the flashbacks. So maybe, maybe that is her original self because she goes to that to be not scary, I guess. I'm not sure. - Maybe that's just like the most important form to her, like the one that signifies the most to her. - It's interesting because given how her body works, like she has earrings and stuff, like that's all her. Like it's really all her, which is fascinating. - Yeah. - I love her stuff. So she's got like, she's not super thin, which is always good. That's always Nate Stevens' work, you always-- - That's right. - Yeah. - You always have like more realistically bodied. - Body diversity, which I love. But she looks like, I don't know, like 15 or whatever. - Yeah. - She's got-- - Like a shaved back of the head. - Shaved back of the head, but then like long pink hair at the top and then pink, like, I don't know what you call that on the sides. - Yeah, like almost like she's got bangs in the front and then kind of like two longer pieces on the sides. - Yeah. And earrings in both ears all the way. - She had a headband, right? - Does she have a headband? - Does she wear something on her head? - I don't think so. I just see the line from where the shaved is. - Oh, maybe that's why I thought it was my headband. - She has this sort of punk rock medieval vibe. Her teeth are normal, but have tiny little fangs. - Yeah. - Oh yeah, she doesn't have a headband. That's just her, that's just where her hair starts. - Yeah. She's got this sort of pink, purple-ish color scheme. - Yeah. - Her skirt is sort of maroon. Her eyelids, her lips and her freckles are all kind of maroon. - Okay. - She has chain mail on? - Yeah, it looks like she's got this armor underneath it. - Oh, right. - Yeah. - Different from the way she looks in the comic. - Yeah. - So let's talk about the look of the art. - The look is cool. It's sort of got that into the Spider-Verse thing going for it. - In what sense do you think? - It just reminds me of that animation style. It's like the character designs themselves. Like I'm comparing now. - And that's been sort of like riffs on that have been done. - I don't know if I agree, but I would say that I think for a long time we were stuck in a sort of, we were stuck in a model that was sort of created by Pixar and DreamWorks and we're finally getting out of that. And I would say it is its own thing. - Yeah, I did. - They had big eyes for sure, like kind of Disney characters. - Yeah, it's more stylized in the way that into the Spider-Verse is where it's sort of more like angular faces. - Right. - They're not like one to one. - But also I'd say that the backgrounds aren't as frenetic and crazy as into the Spider-Verse. - No, I don't think so. I think like you, I feel like into the Spider-Verse is the, you know, the model right there we're working from. And like, no moment it takes it less frenetic, TMNT, the new one, Mutant Mayhem takes it way more frenetic where it's like just like squiggles everywhere. It literally looks like drawn. - Yeah, but I think that's sort of the mode that we're in right now. And I think that these trends and animation sounds like it was all like CalArts like 10 years ago. And now it's like sort of this style, which I love. It's beautiful. I think it looks really nice. - I wish this had been theatrically released. - I think it would look great. - 'Cause I feel like, like your kids liked it, right? Like I feel like it's a good, entertaining movie. And like it would, I think it would have done well in theater. - I think it's a movie. I think actually, I think it might have been challenging to release it in movies because parents are always looking for something to take like little kids to. And this isn't necessarily thematically okay for all little kids. Like I had to kind of really vet it. - 'Cause like the violence? - Yeah, yeah. - The framing of murder and stuff. - Like the intensity of it. - Yeah. - Because at times it does get intense. Like she has suicidal ideation. And she's like trying to end it all at the end. And that's kind of heavy. - All the more, right, yeah. - That's heavy. - That's very heavy. - And now that they're getting the full impact of that, but it's still like heavy to see like someone like walking into a sword basically. - Yeah. - And also, there's death right in the beginning. I mean, that's happens in the Lion King. But there's some stuff where it's not like, oh, it's despicable me with like minions running around. So it's not like the most safe bet to bring like little kids to. I think it's actually a great sort of like tween and mid-age and even to teen movie, which they don't really make animated movies for that group, really. - Right, that's true. - But into the Spider-Verse is also deals with like heavier themes as well. - Right. - And that did very well. So I can see. - I think you could do a could have done well. - I think it could have done well. - Maybe you wouldn't have had, I don't know how Spider-Verse did with kids. - Yeah. - I know some kids who love it and I know some kids who didn't like, like why took the kids to see Mutant Mayhem? And the, especially the opening sequence freaked them out. - I forget what the opening sequence was. - It's um, Baxter Stockman and there's like a raid on the house and it's like, it's pretty intense and it was loud in the theater, it was super loud. - Yeah, I could see that, I could see that. But yeah, I think it would be successful with older kids. I think it would be successful with adults too. I wish it had, 'cause it's, you could see it looks good. You know, it doesn't, you don't go out, this is cheap. Like. - No, it doesn't look bad at all. I think it looks well-made. And it has a lot of talent behind it. - Yeah. - Like Kullya Terez plays the Squire, I love him. - There's the, right, the Squire is the Squire. - It's got a great soundtrack. Really good music. - Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about Todd. - Todd, Beck Bennett. - Yes, please Todd, who is one of the other knights. He's becoming a knight, he's in the Institute. And he's also, he's not descended from Glorith, like. - But they're all nobles. - They're all noble, except for-- - Yeah, when she destroys the place, like as a whale, he's like, oh look, my grandmother's heads on your, like granddad's butt, like they all have statues of their predecessors, like their family members in this Institute. - And he's like a dumb bro. - Big dumb, yeah. - Who picks on-- - He's a real Chad. - Yes. - This Todd is a Chad, for sure. - Yeah. - Yeah, he picks on Boldheart. Even though Boldheart's top of the class, apparently, if I'm to believe RuPaul's narration. - Yes. - And I always believe RuPaul. - Of course. - So, yeah, but Todd picks on him. But there's no homophobia in this world. - No, no. - But I also got the sense that their relationship wasn't necessarily like publicized, yeah. I thought it was for-- - When we see them, they're like in the rafters. - Yeah. - Like you don't see them, really. - Yeah. They seemed like they were kind of keeping it quiet. - So what do you think about the director who's played by-- - Oh, Frances Conroy? - Frances Conroy. - Yeah. I like it. I mean, I like her performance. Just don't call bitch. - She's a stolen bitch. - She just wants rich kids. She does not want poor kids from the street. - Right. - How are they gonna keep us safe? - So what-- - If they know all the same stuff? - Well, we find out-- - I don't really get her motivation. - Well, did you watch that video, I sent you? - Yes, that's a headcanon though. - I don't know, there's-- - I don't know that I see enough evidence there. The basically the headcanon is that she's lovers with the queen and decided like-- - No, now I'm not talking about that part. - Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. - The part that she's a monster. - That she's actually a monster. - Keeps it in. - I don't think-- - The comic-- - The comic suggests more than the film does. - But in the film she does-- - Have coverings on her ears. - She's covering ears and in the comic she is like elf ears. - Yeah, I think it's-- - It gets a wrinkle. - It does add a wrinkle. I think it's there more in the comic. I don't think the film shows us that necessarily. - So we find, the thing we find out is she's the one who set up-- - Right. - Ballester, she switched his sword with the one with the laser, and it's 'cause she's like-- - Obsessed with monsters. - And she was, she was, you know, she's like, I have this dream of a crack in the wall, and all these monsters come in, and all the way of life is taken from us. And she's like, I beg the queen to not let a commoner into our institute, and she didn't listen to me. So she set him up, and she's the villain. And I think it's prejudice. I mean, really, I think it, like fear and prejudice. - Yeah. - I think it, her motivation is like, somehow she makes a connection of, if a commoner could be a knight, then that's like the first crack. - That's the first, yeah. - We'll just have monsters walking all around. - Yeah. - Which is kinda like, what does happen, but monsters aren't bad. Like, if pneumonia is a monster-- - Right. - Like, they're just, they're not bad. It's all about like, you know, being misunderstood. Like she, that's the reason why she goes to meet Ballester. Like she says like, you know, everyone hates you now, and everyone hates me. - Right. But do they hate her, really? They hate the story about her. - Right. Well, she, I guess she hides who she is. - The thing about that backstory is, was that their only encounter? Like, did Glorath become a knight later in life? Or is it's a thousand years ago? So it's like one of those things-- - I think it was their only kind. I don't feel, my sense was that the story evolved and changed. - Just evolved. - And then she was no longer a little girl. She became a-- - Because the little girl says the thing that Glorath says in the famous story of like, go back. - Go back from when she came. So basically what goes down is once the villagers and like the parents of Glorath realize like, this little girl she's been hanging out with gives a shape shifter. They like surround her with pitchforks and torches and like, try to poke her. And then she flips out and like turns it to a bear and a wolf and all different things and causes the fire to start in the village. - Whereas in the tail like, she's a fire breathing dragon that purposely burned down the village. - Right, and then Glor-- and not even the village, like the world. And Glorath was the only one who could stop her and was a shining knight in armor. It really was a little child also. She's like, get out of here. Get, can't just see nobody want you. - Right. - She's kind of, she's kind of mimicking her parents fear. - Right, she's not afraid until her parents teach her that she's afraid. - Exactly, exactly, yeah. - Yeah. - But I'm like, girl, you've been holding this grudge for a thousand years, this is a little child. She didn't know better. - Well, I was the only person wherever it was. - I know, but still. You think wisdom would occur over a thousand years, but no, she's very much like Peter Pan in that sense. She's old, but she's not wise. - Yes, yes, I think the planning is very good, 'cause they're like halfway through, it feels like they've succeeded. - Right, the director's exposed. - Right, right, they do this thing where the boyfriend, I can't remember any one of his names. - Golden loin. - Golden loin. - Yeah. - Ambrosius. - Ambrosius. - Golden loin comes in and he's like, we need to talk and like, confront her about what happened to Ballester and then she admits it and then runs him through with a blade, but then you realize it's not really Golden loin, it's nimono pretending to be him, 'cause she could also look like people. - Yeah. - And they record it and then they put it on their version of YouTube and it's like, oh, they win. - But she's like, that wasn't me. - That really got me. I thought, you know, like, maybe I'm just, I was dumb when I watched it, but I didn't, I-- - The next part coming. - Yeah, in that moment, I didn't think, like if it was the last scene, I would be like, oh, that's nimono, but the way that they, they play, they plot it and the way they put it in, like, it's like very good. You really believe, 'cause it starts with him. - Yeah. - So you believe it's his scene. - Right. - And then I like the touch of at the end, like he walks in, like the real him walks in and says the same thing, like, we gotta talk. - Yeah, and she's like, ah, in his face. And she's like, he's bad time, I guess, 'cause she knows she's been had by them. - Yeah. And then everyone's like-- - But it's like, if it really occurred, people would doubt it, right? Like, that's fake, that's not real. - And then she shows that nimono is-- - Is the monster. - The monster. - Yeah. And then she's like, you know, nimono is the, this monster can morph and look like the rest of us, which made me think of bathroom panic. - Yes, that's a good point. Like, you don't even know. Like, you don't even know who's-- - But you don't even know, like, they're pretending to look like us. - Yeah. - And the ballast, I, again, I think it's good writing, 'cause he's not like perfect from the get-go. Like, he seems to be struggling with understanding her and who she is and-- - He's trying. - Right, right, right. But he's stumbling, and then at the end, he kind of like fucks it up. - He's just like, see you. - Oh, oh, oh, at the, at the very end. - Right, right, when she runs away and then she runs outside the wall, and that's when she-- - He's like, she's like wishing well. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And then she, let's talk about the things she becomes. - She becomes like this black, sort of like a dragon looking thing. - Yeah, it's not, yeah. It's like a, it looks like beaver. - A shadow, yeah. - Almost, or like, or, or like, venom. - Venom, yeah, very much like venom. - It's like, inky. - Like a legend of Zelda, a character demise. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. - And then he showed me, and the character design actually looks very, very similar. - Yeah, it's interesting because like, Nomona obviously can turn into these other forms and other, but this looks like it happens not, she doesn't make it happen. It happens when she's in extreme pain. - Yeah. - And even like when it like roars, like it's really just a pain scream. It's very, it is very intense and sad. - Yeah. - Because she's just like, nobody cares about me. Nobody ever loved me. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna, 'cause she, she says earlier on like, the worst part of being me is like, I don't know, I don't know what the worst part is. The fact that everybody wants to run me through with their blade or the fact that sometimes I wanna let them. - Mm-hmm. - So she decides that she's gonna go in to the city and walk up to the Glorith statue and like let, 'cause the Glor statue has a sword extended. - Yeah. - A giant sword. - And let it just walk into it and let it kill her. - Yeah. - In the comic, she doesn't do that, I don't think. I think in the comic, she becomes that thing and then like goes on a rampage and like really kills people and straight up kills the director. - Oh, okay. - Like fries the director. - Nice. So she, the director at this point is like, I knew it, we're under attack. It has this like laser cannon at her disposal and pneumonia as the monster is in the center of the city. - Yeah. - And she tells the Knights like fire the cannon and now I'm Rosie's is with her because he's like her second in command. - Yeah. - And is like, no, they're, they're, we're gonna blow up half the city and some people are gonna die. - And she turns it inwards toward the city, towards the monster. - Yeah, so how about not getting rid of this monster? She does not care that she would destroy, you know, innocent people's lives in the, in the quest to kill it. So then she attacks her own knights, you know, she loads up the cannon herself and in that moment, a lot of things are happening. So we know like the cannon is about to be fired. Nomona's gonna like walk into the statue and Balaster is there standing on the sword and he like puts his hands out and puts his hands on her. - And like hugs her like, yeah. - He says, I'm sorry, I see you. - Yeah. - You're not alone. And then she kind of, she turns back into, you know, Nomona the girl and she's all bruised up and beaten up. - And then she like explodes. - Yeah, well she becomes a phoenix. - Yes. - She becomes this big fiery phoenix and when she realizes that they're gonna shoot the cannon at the city and she sees all like the little kids and stuff running around and running for cover, she's like, I'm gonna go break stuff. - Sorry for, you're right, right, to save everyone. - She sacrifices herself. She flies right into the cannon and then he runs and he sees like little pink sparkles like falling down like snow. And so, you know, we assume like, oh, she's dead. She's gone. - And, but then like the city, the director, does director die in this or she lives? - We don't see her body, but we assume she dies. 'Cause it's a pretty big explosion. But then also there's awe because part of the wall is destroyed. - Yes. - And you can see it's like gorgeous mountains and rivers and forests and people are like, whoa, what are we missing this whole time? - And now everyone-- - And I'm just like, that's all land you haven't polluted yet. - Yes, the people are all for Nomona now. Like, there's like-- - You graffiti, there's a hero's face and like-- - You see Todd who's been a dick the whole movie, comment like put down flowers on-- - Yeah, there's memorials everywhere. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think we love Nomona artwork. It's really cute. I like that the artwork in the movie is like the artwork from the comics. - Yeah, yeah. - It's cute. - What do you call it? Ballester and ambrosias get back together? - Yeah. - But they always loved each other. Like, Ballester, even when they were fighting, wouldn't really harm him. Like, he'd hit him, but like not to do real damage. Well, ambrosias cut Ballester's arm off, but Ballester forgives him for that because in that moment he thought he was assassinated in the queen. - Yes, yes. - He said, 'cause Nomona brings it up to him several times and is like, he cut off your arm. - Cutting off your arms is not a love language. - Yes. - It's one of her lines. - He says he was disarming a weapon. That's what we're trained to do. Like, he did what he was trained to do. He's supposed to protect the queen. - But her thing, and I guess this is why you could say like in a philosophical way where they call it, they call it power just the institute. Both things like, you know, she's constantly telling, like question what you know and what you think and like, why do you like follow these rules and all this bullshit and like, she's basically like, you're part of a world that like treats you like shit and you don't accept it. Like, you don't wanna see it. - I think I'm just like, okay, fine. I accept that. And I think that that is a good message that you shouldn't always accept everything. However, just play the board game, the way you're supposed to play the goddamn board game. When the girl in the video that you sent me was like, and my favorite part where she blows fire at the board game, I was like, why do you like that part the most? No. Certainly not. It's Monopoly. Have some depression. - She has more like Dungeons and Dragons or something. - Well, no, she was like, she landed on his space. So he's like, give me $600. - Oh, right, right, right. - Well, gold coins. - Yeah. So another form that she takes at one point in the movie towards this middle of the movie is she becomes like a weirdly demonic little boy. - Oh, that's the part that kids rewound like 100 times. - Really? - They love that part. They thought it was so funny. Now they reenact it. Like they're running around tonight being like, excuse me, sir, could you help me find my mom? And then like doing the team in voice. They really love that. - It's, I enjoy it. It's fun. - It's fun. I love who we are to run so much. He's the squire. So he's like, oh, no, let me go pass this problem on to someone else. - What was he from? - He's a writer for SNL who wrote some of my favorite sketches. He wrote the papyrus sketch. That's his. - Okay. - And he had his own standup show. It's like shapes. - Oh, oh, he's-- - And then he's probably-- - Promisedas. - Promisedas is his movie. - Oh, I didn't realize, yes. - Oh, he loved Promisedas. - Yeah, I haven't seen it. And I've seen his show, "Losses Boogies." - Yeah, he's very, yeah, he's a really great artist. - I love him. - Also the voice of the voice. - The voice is-- - Yeah, is an interesting person too. - Eugenie Yang. He used to write for BuzzFeed, like way back in their heyday. And like that was, he was like sort of a BuzzFeed celebrity. - Yeah. - And then he's in a YouTube troupe called the Try Guys, which recently disbanded, I think. And then I'd never known him as an actor, so I thought his performance was good, considering I think he's like a non-actor. Or maybe he's acting now, but yeah, not having had an acting background necessarily. - But apparently like he does a lot of cool things. - I mean, he looks very cool, like his hair is cool. They based Ambrosia's hair on his real hairstyle. - Yeah. - So he's got a cool hair too. - In the comic, Ambrosia's is more of a villain. And they-- - Well, they both are. - Yes, they are. It's interesting, I really want to read the comic. 'Cause I read, I haven't finished it. I actually want to go back and read it all of lumber jeans, 'cause I really like the lumber jeans. You're so funny when you hear like these neck beers and they're like, you know, diversity is not a substitute for creativity. And it's always like, but like-- - Diversity of thought is creativity. - Yeah, like if the same people are the only people that tell the story-- - No, I want different voices. - A different story from a different person will hit different, feel different. Like of course it is. Of course, like we've exhausted all the white guys. Like we've got every kind of white guy. - Every single one. Like let's-- - We got 'em all. - You know. - Let's get some other people in here. - Yeah, like-- - And when we dry that well, I mean we'll go back to the white guys, maybe we'll have new ideas. Who knows? Who knows? Stranger things have happened. - Yeah. So we think the Mona's did at the end and then in a sort of repetition of how we first meet her, there's a knock on the door. And he looks outside and then you hear her voice behind them. - Yeah. - Which is high boss. - High boss. - And he goes, "What the fuck?" - No, no, he goes, "Holy shit." - Okay, yeah. - It stops. - Yeah. And then it's cool, pretty cool credits. - Yeah, that's fun. - At the end of the credits, right? There is a screen that says, "If someone you know is struggling, information and resources are available at www.wannatalkaboutit.com." - Oh. - So I looked this up, right? It's actually a website made by Netflix. - Really? - And-- - Did they put that at the end of anything that has people like-- - Yes, and actually it looks like it's Netflix 'cause like you see, first of all, the first page has like suicide prevention hotline, Trevor Project, a bunch of different resources. But then there's like, did you watch Jenny in Georgia? - No. - There's self-harm in that, so like-- - Okay. - Like you see like, baby reindeer obviously has abuse in it. So like you see things, so like, I was like, what happens when you click on this, they just show you the show? But they don't, it just gives you resources for the specific problem that that show's about. - Oh, wow. - So like, if you click on Jenny in Georgia, it'll give you all these resources for self-harm. It's like really cool, I really enjoyed that. And the last thing you see, it's not a post-credit scene, but the last thing you see is like, nomena, spray paints, the anarchy symbol, the A, but instead of in a circle, it's in a heart. - Oh, okay. - Which is fun. - She's so silly. - She's so funny. - She's so silly. - The character. You know, I really want to do a shiver rewatch. - Well, that chow. - Just fucking watch it. You can do it pretty quick, tell. - Yeah, I would show the kids. I'd want them. - Yeah, you should. - Maybe that would be their gateway into human. - Isn't it crazy that like, that's already like, kind of old? Like, it's two years ago, if it was from 2018 to 2020. It's crazy that it's like, almost 2025, 'cause I mean, it's the pandemic. It's like one kid, he wasn't moving around. - Yeah. - He's just a one spot. - Did you see, I said, so let me give credit to that video, 'cause I keep referencing it, and it was very informative. - We need somebody Whitney. - Yes, let me see where her name is. You want to give credit, we're credit. - That's true, that's true. We got credit. - By the way, you just feel like, as I'm looking for this, I'm looking at everything for this new Batman show. - Oh, it keeps Crusader? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Have you seen it yet? - I've only seen the trailer, but I have to watch one thing in a time, and it takes me a month, at least. It takes me a month at least. I've been trying to get through the last season of sex education the whole summer. And I remember a couple summers ago, I was like, it took me all summer to watch The Voice, 'cause we simply are just not awake. We are sleeping. - The YouTube channel was called Whitney Vision. - Whitney Vision, okay. - Whitney Vision, and this video is Nomona, what they changed from the comic. A movie breakdown in details that you might have missed. She talks about something that's really interesting, which is Nate Stevenson was inspired by that shape shifter character who dies in the first scene of Attack of the Clones. - Whoa. - I remember the shape shifter, Bounty Hunter, that has like a lizard face and like a bearly in it? - Yes. - It's like a beautiful woman, Bounty Hunter, that then turns into a lizard, 'cause she gets shot with a dart, right? - Well, it's set his imagination on fire as a child. - Oh my God, that's a child that's so upsetting. - It makes you feel old when I think. - It's so upsetting here. - I was a kid when you were seeing things that, yeah. - I mean, I wasn't that old, but I didn't consider myself a child at that point. I was on my way to the old set. - Oh, a kid was obsessed with it. - Nice, wow. - And that's, what are the things that leads to Navona? - Well, I guess we have to be thankful that he didn't become obsessed with the character who ran a 1950s diner. - Yes, it could have been. - That would have been really something. - What's amazing about Navona is it's actually a really amazing like success story, because he was writing it like in college or like even younger, like high school into college. And there's publishing it on like Tumblr or something. - I can see that. - And then someone was like, we're gonna publish it. And like, that's the beginning of his career. - That's crazy. I know it began with Navona. - Can you imagine like, 'cause I did so much bullshit when I was in high school, like there was no one would ever care to see or eat. (laughing) Can you imagine someone, can you imagine when you were like 20, someone'd be like, I'm gonna publish something you did. - Crazy. - It happens. I mean, people are genuinely talented. - Yeah, I don't know what that's like. - You don't know me either. - I don't know. - Believe you me. - I imagine it's interesting. (laughing) - Say what else, anything else we have, we haven't covered. Boop, boop, boop, boop. So you didn't even watch this again, huh? You did it, you did it once. - No, the kids will probably wanna watch it. We'll see. - Good. - We'll see. - Baby still beat it into you. - I'm like no more. - Does it shock when they really like something that you hate when you're like, oh, I hate this. And then you look at them and they're like, we love it. - Yeah, it rarely happens. - I have to say, honestly, children's programming in the last few years has gotten very good. - Yeah. - But every so often, they'll get into something that I, it's like nails on a chalkboard, for instance, and Prime is really responsible for this. As Amazon Prime has a bunch of free older shows. And they'll put them up, like shows you should watch, or whatever, and then the kids will see it. And Peter really likes the original bananas and pajamas. - Okay. - It's like, it's grading. It's grading. Yeah, that's one. I'm like, oh shit, he wants to watch this. Okay, I guess mommy's gonna go in the other room and like full laundry or something. I'll be there if you need me. I don't really want-- - I'm joking, and it's over. - Yeah, just, yeah, no. I enjoy a lot of this stuff. And my favorite thing is like, when they get me into something, I love that. Like Bill's really into Minecraft now, 'cause Henry got into it. - Nice, that's fun. - It's fun, I like supporting them. But you know, I also, like they're how I'm getting my hands on new media. - Right. - And it's 'cause they go to talk to people. I'm like, I'm here, I'm talking to them. So they go out, they go to their classrooms, they come back, they talk to me. I'm like, you know. - Right, right, right. - We're all talking about like politics or whatever in the group chat. Like I need media, give me media. So I get them from you, I get that from them. Sometimes it's good from them. - Our kids are Jen Alpha already. Like Henry's coming back with Dank Memes, man. - Dank Memes. - Like what the Sigma, what? I'm like, where'd you hear that? He said Cole said it at school. I was like, okay. - Cole. - Cole, which is like a joke in the movie Leo. Like every kid's named Cole, he's got one kid named Cole. That's his friend Cole. Cole told me what the Sigma. I'm like, okay. (laughs) Cool, man. I don't know. Let's give it a toilet. - I don't know, I don't know any of what you're even saying right now. - That's what the kids say. And we're talking kids. - Like children. - Like kids, children. They're saying this stuff. - That's great. - I don't wanna be cool. - I remember the one time I, one summer I, when I was professing full time, I didn't have a summer class so I worked in like a tutoring center. And it was the only time I ever like worked with kids and like I found them hilarious. - They are, they are, but. - And I was surprised at how close my sense of human, my sense of humor was. - And your sense of fashion? - Close to them. - Yeah. - And my sense of fashion. - That's right. - One kid was like, if somebody says something to you, just say it back and say your faces. And I was like, you've just described 90% of my comedy. (laughs) If someone says you're stupid, say your face is stupid. - Face is stupid. - I was like, kid, you're hilarious. - I love that. - And then I had another kid who was obsessed with the word poop. - Sure. - And I tried to not encourage it, but sometimes he got me and I was left. And I'd be like, what's the answer to this question? And he'd be like, poop? - Is it poop? - Yeah. - I think it's poof. - Yeah, they're clever. So I'm looking through my notes. One thing Leslie would say is, what I think is the funniest joke. And this has been a joke in other things and I always find it funny. - Okay. - Ballester is knocked out and he wakes up and he's like, how long have I been out? And the most like 15 years. (laughs) I don't know, I always find that joke hilarious. What a great movie. - All right, this has been PCMC. I'm Mike Pangirone. I was joined today by the bidder. - Go see Boy in the Herring. (laughs) - I got that movie from it. And I liked these other movies. That movie made me. - Mm-mm. - Mm-mm. - If you wanna watch a real movie. (laughs) - Do you mean, Gagliari? Thank you so much for being here. (laughs) - My last appearance on PCMC. - No. We end every episode by saying. - Oh, bye-bye. 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