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Just go to indeed.com/bluewire right now and support our show by saying that you heard about Indeed on this podcast, that's indeed.com/bluewire, terms and conditions apply. Need to hire, you need Indeed. Have a nice talk. Welcome to the show. I was thinking it might just go solo today, it's just kind of one of those days, you know, it's like, "Do I really need a co-host today?" I don't know, you know, Jesse's all grousing, you know. Oh, I went to watch the Cubs get swept, you know, and it's awful, I don't know what to do with myself. And I thought, "Well, maybe I could just hit Vince up." And it's like Vince, you know, he's back at school, I don't know what kind of time that he's got today, you know, that kind of thing. So, I don't know, what's a guy to do? But then it's like, oh, this guy's hanging out, oh, this guy's hanging out, it's a three man, it's a three man swing is what it is. Now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, we're having these in a while. That's right. The gang is all here, Vince Diderio, Jesse Steyer's, Sean Steyer's, boys, it's good to see it. Like you said, it's been a while, I don't know the last time the three of us got together. This is true. This is a little precursor to our pre-game show, right? I mean, that's coming right around the corner here. Yes. Saturday pre-game shows. I'm going to give you a pop quiz before we get into the nuts and bolts. We're going to talk some Notre Dame offensive line. We're going to hear from Jaden Greathouse, all kinds of good stuff. Jesse was a much better student than I was. I just want to put that out there. Don't look at the chat. Okay. Don't look at the chat. Don't Google when I ask this question. Okay. I want to see which of you can give me the answer first. There are only three active college football coaches who have won national championships. Can you name any of them? Kirby Smart. Boom. Yep. That's a good one. Ryan Day. Ryan Day has not won a national championship. I thought he won one with a lot of state. Well, no, I already got nailed on that one a few weeks ago. I got hammered because I think I said that he won a championship and I got hammered. Clemson, Davos Sweeney. Here you go. Okay. He's going around, right? One to one. Who can get the tiebreaker? This is the toughest one. This is the toughest one. Don't look at the chat. I'm not. I'm looking at the bookcase over here just trying to find inspiration. I'm sure somebody in the chat already knows it. The name has played against him, at least within the last couple of years. Notre Dame has played against his team. He's not with the same team he won the national championship with. Okay. I know for a fact, we talked about him in rapid fire within the last couple of weeks. I think Jesse and I talked about it. Good. That makes me not look as bad. Appreciate that. It was funny because Vince, Vince was the one that liked the light bulb went off, but then I heard Jesse's voice and I was like, hold on, who said that? Mac Brown. Jesse gets the tiebreaker. Well done. Well done. I already used my brain a lot today, so I am proud of myself for that. Yeah. The big brain on Jesse. I already put the prerequisite out there. Much better student than I was in high school, so. Much better. All right. So with that, well done. Well done. Only three. That's amazing. I mean, obviously when Nick Saban retires, you're going to lose a lot of national championships. Tommy's like I was trying to help you. I wasn't allowed to look at the chat. I didn't want to cheat. Honor system. They kept the code. That's right. I like that. I like the way you guys worked that out. You did your best to think of it. You literally came up with it at the same time it looked like, but Jesse was able to blurt it out. That's all right. Vince is here because I wanted him to, you know, at least check in here at the start of the show. He's welcome to stay as long as he wants. I don't know what he's got planned, but we got a lot going on in this show. But offensive line. Yeah. And he and I, today was the last practice viewing that we got. We got a five period practice viewing this morning. It was going to be outside. It was going to be inside. It ended up being inside because it was raining in South Bend. So. That's right. Team offense specifically, first team offensive line looked a little bit different today at left tackle was freshmen early and early Anthony Knapp left guard was Sam Pendleton who has been the number two center, but Pendleton now working at left guard and not either Pat Coogan last year's starter or Rocco Spindler, who of course was the right guard starter for most of last season and battling for the job. The rest of the line was was the same Ashton Craig at center, Billy Shrout that right guard, a mill wagner at right tackle second team line, Hash Baker at left tackle, Spindler at left guard, Coogan again, a guard last year working as the number two center, something Vincent and I started practice the other day. It's all of an ab-shirt, right guard, Kirby Lambert, freshmen, who got here in the summer, the right tackle. So go ahead and throw, play this isn't too loud. This is the first team offense, the take-off, the team take-off period at the start of practice. Kind of see him out there running away from me, but the guys that I mentioned, 54 on the left side, a video got a little bit off the filter there for a second. As he's been slated in hard, I know it's like, you know, iPhone from the sideline and all that kind of good stuff. So we went from first team out, now here is the line, that same line doing some position drill stuff together in the end zone. Basically, see him take a couple of snaps here. And that is that. So that's what it is. And I mean, obviously the big news now, look, I know that other people are saying this is what the starters are now and they were working with the first team, both with the first team offense out there as well as those reps, like when they went to position drills, they didn't mix any of them up. It was those guys who we talked about were the first team. And the other guys we talked about was the second team. What exactly it means right now? We don't know. Vince, do you want to kind of chime in, I guess, with any thoughts on what you think it could mean with basically what are we now 16 days away from the season open? Well, we are still solidly in training camp, like fall camp. So they have not obviously started any preparation for A&M or anything of that nature. This is still camp, right? So that that's an important thing to understand because they're not going to get the camp stuff until next week, okay? I was obviously not at practice this morning, but I was at the last practice and apparently they kind of did the same type of things from last practice to this practice as far as who was with who and, you know, that kind of thing, right? Well, here's, I was shocked when, you know, right around the time practice would have gotten out all this, I mean, but social media all the tweets go up just like, oh my God, Anthony Napa starting at left tackle and then Pendleton is starting to guard and, you know, all of these different things. What shocked me about the whole thing, Sean, was that price picks is America's number one daily fantasy sports app with over five million active members. Price picks is the easiest and most exciting way to play daily fantasy sports. Unlike other apps, on price picks, it's just you against the numbers. 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We're going to talk to Marcus Freeman on Saturday, we're not going to be able to watch practice on Saturday. We're going to talk to Marcus Freeman on Saturday. We're also supposed to be able to talk to the two coordinators which means Mike Denbrock so hopefully we get some more light shed on that. All we know of now is these guys were taking first team and second team snaps together. That doesn't mean that this is the definitive first and second. I'm just saying like clarification here's what I think is going on personally. Look, they're still working, they're still repping Coogan at center because they wanted to get as many center snaps as possible before they get into A&M prep because I still think he's going to start Coogan at left guard because he's a big fan of experience and all of those things. I also still think that Tosh Baker is going to start at left tackle. In my opinion, he had the two tackle and guard comment and they were kind of working together, right? And whether they were with the first team and the second team, I don't think matters because I think first of all, Coogan is the first team left guard and he was working with the second team center or as the second team center. Well, and that's what's most odd to me is the fact that not only is Pat Coogan not the first team guard, he's the second team center, you know, like throw that out of it. But the fact that all of a sudden Sam Pendleton who was a second team center is working with the first team, darting as the left guard and not even Rocco Spindler. Yeah. So in my opinion, they're just working guys around. Like I said, it's still camp. This is not game prep. This is still camp. And so that's what people should have said. Like, Hey, here's what happened today. You know, probably still working guys around. You never know, but it's nice to see these guys working with the first team, you know, that kind of analysis, not this is the first team. This is who's going to be running out there in college station. They're putting a true freshman at left tackle, college station, Joe Rudolph's moron. Like that was pretty much what I saw all day long today. And it's like, guys, pop the brakes a little bit. Like I don't think that's actually fun again. We've seen inklings of some of these moves over the last couple of practices. We just haven't seen like this as the, you know, like the first and second team units come out together like this. So Jesse, I'll ask you, is it more concerning or encouraging that, you know, this line, the entire left side of the line is completely different now than even a week ago. I think it's encouraging because I think something that's been echoed throughout training camp, regardless of its defensive linebackers, wide receivers, they're not looking at guys as true one in twos. They're looking at what group of players are going to give us the best chance. And I think in order to determine that you have to work guys at different positions and see what you can piece together, right? It's like a starting five rotation for the Olympic basketball team. Like some guys might not get in, but it's a matter of kind of how these guys work together at different spots. And I think that's ultimately what this is going to come down to is they're just working guys at different spots to see what could be the overall best combination. I don't think that they've ultimately decided yet either. I think like Max Bullock was talking about with the linebackers, there's not really ones in twos. I think that their mentality with this team is viewing, you know, we have a group of talented players, how can we piece these players together, whether it's playing, you know, nap at left tackle or, you know, whatever it might be. Side note, I thought it was really cool that they show the previous play on the big board while practice is going. I've never seen that before. That is really cool. It's basically like a huddle play on replay instantly. So as like reporters, you picked up on that coaches, like you can literally look up there and instantly see ultimately who messed up, right? That's why it's super helpful. Because, you know, you could be analyzed or, you know, looking at one side of the line of the other or, or wide receiver. You can't see it all at once, but it's cool to see it live time. And you get about, you get about two to three runs of the play before the next play goes. Yeah. And so, yeah, it's, it's super helpful. That was pretty sweet. Sorry. I know that was just something I picked up on. It's awesome. Glad you're interested. Yes. I mean, this is something in the wake of the jaggis saw injury that you basically wanted. You wanted to see more than just Tosh Baker kind of rubber stamped out there. So, I mean, we are still in the fall camp portion of practice, you know, when exactly they decide that's over, it'll be sometime next week, whether it's the end of the week, you know, whether that goes all the way up until get, you know, Texas A&M game week, but again, we're 16 days away. So, are you good with, with sort of this experimentation, if that's what it is? I actually am very good with it. I have no problem moving some guys around seeing how they do with other guy, you know, how to Sam Pendleton move around at guard when he's next to Ashton Craig. Like, I'm, I'm cool with that. I have no problem with them doing some experimentation given guys an opportunity. I, what I am saying right now is I would be surprised if the starting five offensive line is what it is that we saw today. I would, I would be very surprised if that was the case. Andrew came in hot with this. He says he's been a major defender of Rudolph, but is this a situation of someone putting his guys as the starters? I don't get how Pendleton jumps to established players. I don't think that's what this is. Exactly. You know, again, I think it is maybe recognizing that at some point, you know, Coogan started getting some, some center reps. And again, that's something that we saw last week, the last time, the last, I think the last couple times we were out there, at least the last time, if not the time before that we, we did start to see Coogan taking some snaps. And then Pendleton, I'm trying to remember, was he playing guard last week? He was with the second. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. I mean, sorry, basically, Rocco was with the first two last time. Right. And look, I just think it is, I'm trying to figure out what the right word is without sounding like I'm, you know, being mean to other outlets. I just think it's, it is a little careless, in my opinion, to just be saying that this is the starting five. And, you know, Anthony Napp is beating out Tosh Baker. And I just, it's a little reckless, in my opinion. You can do what you want for clicks. And I'm not going to tell you how to report. I just personally think that's a little premature, because all you've seen are the first five periods of two practices. You haven't talked to anybody that makes that decision. You haven't talked to the offensive coordinator, you haven't talked to the head coach. I guarantee sources aren't saying that Anthony Napp is starting at left tackle. You know what I mean? So it's just going to guarantee that. I don't know. Well, I'm just saying, it comes to sources. I wouldn't guarantee it. Well, that's fair. I just think it's a little clickbait-ish right now and, and very premature. Oh, yeah. And I'm seeing, I'm seeing people saying that, you know, some of these other outlets and reporters are reporting that Napp is beating out Baker. You know, again, was that a post practice tweet in their, they're basically saying that or, you know, I mean, yeah, I didn't put that up there for a reason. Just because, again, I don't want to, like, if it's an actual, I don't know if it's an actual report, like a tweet that came out after practice, you know, like what Vince is talking about, where everyone was saying that, you know, Napp is the first team tackle now. Like it is there like an actual report that comes with sources behind it. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like there's a difference between the two. There's a difference. Yes. Because everyone in the media saw at the same time what was happening. So anyone who, you know, walked out of the building and then tweeted, here's what's, you know, here's what the first team offensive line now looks like. There's a difference between that and any of those reporters going to a source and getting any, you know, off the record type stuff and then, you know, putting out an actual report based on that. Look, if it happens and these two guys are the starters, then that means they beat out the other guys. And so you play the best two guys. I'm fine with that. Just don't think in this particular situation that that's the current case. This would be a much bigger deal of today was August 26 and it was Game Week. Thank you. And that's when you actually go into game plan, preparation, that sort of stuff. It's that's 11 days from now. I still think that there is the ability to, because like Vince said, they are still in camp. This isn't Game Week. This isn't, you know, like I said, prep or anything like that. They are still trying to figure out what guys can work at what positions and how they all kind of interact together. And I will say this and I wish that I had, it was obviously been a very busy day between going to practice this morning. We had post practice, you know, interviews that we were doing and, you know, that I'm putting together all these cuts. And I completely forgot about the fact that I've got, you know, some Joe Rudolph stuff from about a week or so ago talking about Anthony Knapp and we got to talk to them about the linemen. So unfortunately, I don't have that to play. But what I will say at that, at that time, Joe Rudolph was very high on Anthony Knapp as he was everything that he was saying about Anthony Knapp. And in fact, it might be I can at least probably pull up a transcript here might be able to give you an idea of some of the things he was saying. And I agree with what Andy Milton fan is saying. If it is Knapp in Pendleton, it's a very athletic offensive line. And I will say it it did move that left side of the line did move a little bit differently with those guys. Oh, there's no doubt those guys are more athletic. They're not as slow footed or, you know, heavy footed, I should say. There's no doubt about it. I would just be surprised that both of those guys have like Pendleton specifically, he leaped over Kugan and Rocco to starting guards from last year. He is now leapt ahead of both of those guys. That would be the most shocking thing to be very, very shocking to me. And, you know, and we'll see what we get a depth chart the week before, like, you know, early in the week of game week, it'd be like that Monday or Tuesday, we'll get a depth chart. Then you'll know, you know, I trust Brian and his sources, like, I'm sure he'll talk to people and, you know, figure all the whole situation out. Again, I would just be surprised if this is the starting five and people just need to take a chill and just take a breath and relax and we'll see what happens, you know, let it play out. So it'd be fun if they had like a more past pro offensive line and a more, you know, like, because you guys are saying how much faster that this line was moving, a more kind of RPO speed type look, depending on, you know, what they're trying to accomplish. I know it's out on a lamp, but it's still kind of fun to think about at the same time. Sure. Like a pack, because like, it looks like in that video, there was a lot of like, you know, a lot of quick RPO type speed, like looks. And Riley later was either hand the ball off or getting the ball out quick, right? So I don't think that's at all what it is, but just something that kind of came to my mind. All right, boys, I got a role. You guys have a wonderful rest of your show. Okay. I got hit the road. I'll talk to you guys later. Of course. Yep. So here's the last quote that we got on Anthony Knapp from Joe Rudolph at the media session that we had a week, week and a half ago, something like that. So here's, they were wrapping it up. I asked, is Knapp the number two at both tackle spots? Quote, he's been playing left. He's played right in the spring. Felt like he could do either one if you needed him to. If you needed a left, Sully could play left. He could play left. Knapp could play right. Taichan got reps there. The second group today with the right side, keep pushing Gerby and Prescott and see where they're at, you know, some different opportunities. End quote from Joe Rudolph. That's not kind of the best quote that he had there. But he also did say, at that time, that Tash Baker was the answer at left tackle. Again, Tash Baker running with the, with the second team unit today. But again, it's, it's not a guarantee that it's going to be Knapp. We're going to get to talk to both Marcus Freeman and Mike Denbrock as long as the schedule stays what it's supposed to be. We're not going to get to watch more practice before the season starts. Today was it. Today was the last five period practice that we got. But we're supposed to be able to talk to Marcus Freeman and Mike Denbrock on Saturday. So we should have something more concrete than, you know, just what we saw today. There's a chance that he'll say, well, you know, we've been, we've been moving guys around and seeing who are the best fits, who plays best next to each other and all that different kind of stuff. There's a chance that he says, yeah, that's, that's the guy. That's the guy. Like Vince, Jesse, I have a hard time thinking that both Knapp and Pendleton are the guys plural on that left side together because Pendleton just came flat out of nowhere, basically. Yeah, I would have to agree and it just doesn't. And a person who thinks kind of very logistically, it doesn't make sense for Pendleton to sort of just make that leap out of nowhere. And I think Tosh Baker provides somewhat the most experience when you need experience in a very, you know, important hostile environment to start your season. And maybe that's, maybe that's part of it too. You know, maybe they have a line that they feel more comfortable with going into game one, but that can evolve by the time game 12 comes around just because of, you know, game experience, because I doubt you're starting a true freshman at the blindside tackle at Texas A&M. I just really do. Well, the other side of this is they started a true freshman Blake Fisher at Florida State three years ago, you know, so again, it came down to you didn't have a lot of other options that made sense. And Blake Fisher was really good. Now coming out of the spring, because Knapp enrolled early in the spring, he's done a lot of good things. I saw someone saying, a Joshua saying Knapp projects as a guard. I don't know. I mean, they like him. And again, like when you look at the way he moves versus the way Tosh Baker moves even, there's a big difference. Now, did we get to see him actually, you know, really block anyone when they're doing, you know, like the team run out and all that kind of stuff at the start? You know, we got to see him do some stuff. We saw him move, but we didn't get really get to see any of that. And, you know, like I'm, I'm seeing, well, who's sourced and, you know, who's got the better sources and all this stuff? You know, I, I, I think based on everything that I've seen and heard, this is more about, you know, tweets that came out because of what we all got to see at the end of practice. I will say though, something I noticed when, when watching that video, no one looks out of place. All those linemen look big, big, you know what I mean? No one looks like a true freshman out there, someone who's maybe at a disadvantage because of size. Like I was, that's the kind of the other thing I was looking for when you were putting them up because I knew who was working where like, Knapp at left tackle didn't look undersized by any means to me. So I think that's just as important. Yeah, they've gotten Knapp listed at 291 on the roster. Now again, the roster that we got at the start of fall camp and that we still have, you know, we, there's been no updates since the spring. So they, they haven't updated any of the heights and weights on the rosters to this point, you know, whether or not there will be, I don't know. So yeah, he's, his official listed weight right now is 291, which is about nine pounds shy of what a mill wagner is. And we know a mill wagner, you know, had to work to get to that 300 pounds. So you're talking about nine pounds, essentially left versus right, it's going to be really, really interesting. I will say this as well, it was about a year ago, it was, it was more than a weekend to camp when all the sudden, Pat Coogan was out there at left guard. And, you know, after, I mean, kind of sitting with Rocco, right? We're Billy Shrelth. Yeah. Rocco kind of jumped onto the scene late as well. So, I mean, Coogan, Coogan was the surprise though, you know, like, like, we've kind of been expecting Rocco would probably get one of those positions, but Coogan was more of the surprise. And it was a week, week and a half, you know, in this range into camp, when all of a sudden, it was Coogan out there. So, you know, again, we can sit here and speculate all we want, we're going to get to talk to the head coach, we're going to get to talk to the offensive coordinator Saturday. So at that point, we expect we'll have something more definitive, how definitive, I don't know odds are they're probably going to say it's an ongoing process. And, you know, all those different kinds of things, but we'll have more of an answer than what we have right now. You know, I will say, you know, that IB is pretty well sourced as well. And we haven't, we haven't got any of that kind of confirmation on like, map is the guy kind of thing. I mean, there was obviously a lot of buzz, you know, when you walk in and you see Napping Pendleton out there on the left side. So, that was interesting. It was interesting. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] We're driven by the search for better, but when it comes to hiring, the best way to search for a candidate isn't to search at all. Don't search match with Indeed. Indeed is your matching and hiring platform with over 350 million global monthly visitors, according to Indeed data, and a matching engine that helps you find quality candidates fast. Ditch the busy work. Use Indeed for scheduling, screening, and messaging so you can connect with candidates faster. 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