Pop Culture Confidential

420: Our Massive Fall Movie Preview! (with Ryan McQuade)

Nosferatu & Maria Callas. Guadagnino & Almodovar. Popes & Gladiators. Ryan McQuade (AwardsWatch.com) joins Christina for a discussion about (a mostly:) thrilling season of movies ahead! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:: 1h 18m
Broadcast on:: 16 Aug 2024
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Nosferatu & Maria Callas. Guadagnino & Almodovar. Popes & Gladiators.

Ryan McQuade (AwardsWatch.com) joins Christina for a discussion about (a mostly:) thrilling season of movies ahead!

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Thank you so much, Ryan, for joining me. It's time to go to the movies, Christina. Yes. It's fall. It's when all hopes of a good top ten less start coming into form. Super excited to be here. Great to have you. It's pretty exciting. The lineup is looking good. We have a lot of movies to run through and I'm feeling positive this August, actually. Yes, I mean, we talked about it, I think a couple of weeks ago, about the first half of the year and how we were kind of, there were some good things. You've seen some things already because of Cannes, so it's for me, I'm not fully there yet. There's some film we'll talk about today that were a part of that, but I mean, looking at the lineups, there are movies that I'm so curious about and I'm hopeful that they're good. There's a lot of hoping because it's not as a tour driven as something like last year or like when you were talking with Tyler last week about the survive for 25 and that's very much a thing that is kind of drive it forward next year or the year after we're already seen like 2025 and 2026 are going to have our big names that we always love. But there are some here, but there's a lot more questions and questions make me curious and curiosity makes me want to see these movies. Me too, let's get started. Let's start in September, the 20th, it's time for John Watts, Wolfs, John Watts is known for the Spiderman trilogy. This has some other big men, George Clooney and Brad Pitt. I mentioned last time I talked to you that I thought the trailer looked pretty bad. I kind of agree with you, I actually watched the trailer again last night. So if they got one more download, it was because of me. I think though on paper, it actually could be a fun time. I am saddened to hear the news this past week that they are most likely going to skip out on a giant theatrical release and head and what is it going to be like two weeks essentially in theaters and then go straight to the streaming platform. Yeah, Apple will just announce that oddly enough, at the same time announcing a sequel. Yeah, which is dumb, it was really funny to, I know we're not going to be able to talk long about all these. But when you were talking with Tyler last week about Apple's strategy and their strategy of like, we are spending money more than anybody on the planet and yet no one is seeing our stuff and then it's like you have a movie with two of the biggest movie stars on the planet and you just decide, yeah, you know what, we'll throw another $200 million at this for a sequel, but we're not going to get any return on investment. No one's going to see it. No one's going to see it. And also it's just alienating, I think, for people that don't have Apple or whatnot. It's a really, really dumb strategy, but the movie could be just fun. Like, it's nice to see, that's the one thing about the trailer is Pit and Clooney are in a movie together. We saw the spread that they did for GQ just recently this week and it's like, oh, that's right. They're in their 60s now, but damn, they're still moving stars, you know what I mean? It looks great, so that looked great. And Clooney wasn't holding back in that interview about, you know, he was not working with that mother eff and David O'Ressel and what it was. Yeah, and he was angry with Tarantino over some comments that he made about him not acting, which honestly, Tarantino was right because it's like, you're in your 60s, George, and you're making the midnight sky and the Tinder bar, just act and it's like, you know, get off my lawn, Clooney. Exactly. I kind of like it. He's feisty Clooney. I'm like, okay, so you're getting me interested in this movie, but as side note, wouldn't it be fun to be at a dinner or strategy meeting with Costner and the Apple people just to listen to how their different strategies are? I feel like that would be like the most meandering conversation that leads to nowhere with the two of them, you know what I mean? But speaking of that too, I know it's not on our list, but Horizon part two will premiere in Venice. So we do have to figure out will we actually see that movie in the second half of this year? Who knows? Who knows? It's all a mystery. So what do you think? Well, the A or A, will it be a box off box office hit probably not with a week, but will it be a critical hit? Will people be watching it? I think people will watch it. I'm going to give it an optimistic yay because it has two of my favorite movie stars of all time. And I'm not. I mean, John Watts is not a real person. He was made in a lab from Marvel many years ago, but his movie cop car was a good thriller and he turned down Fantastic Four to do this. So that's interesting. But the again, Christina, the title Wolfs is stupid because it's about two lone wolves. It should be called wolves. And it's also like a play on the Mr. Wolf character from Pulp Fiction. It's a very dumb title, but it doesn't even like. No. Exactly. The whole thing is dumb, but I want to see it, I think, because of those two guys. If they do a really good PR, if, you know, Clooney and Pitt arriving on a fabulous boat in Venice looking great and doing a whole thing around it, I'm sure it'll get some. But I don't think it's going to be that huge hit that you think they expect Golden Globe nomination to get them on the stage. All right. Do you want to take one? Yeah. So there's this movie coming out in September on the 27th. I believe you're making me talk about this one already. You've seen it. I haven't. It's for instance, for copeless, megalopolis. I am conflicted as hell because of one, not just a reaction, but obviously there's been ton of press recently about these allegations of misconduct by copa on set. There was a video done by Variety in a piece, the girl that was in the video that was kissed by copa inappropriately said that nothing bad happened. And she was fine with it and she was basically consented to it. But then there was an extra in the background of said video that was angry about it. Then like deadline and variety decided to like get in a war with each other over the scoop and over the coverage of it, it was wild. But in terms of just the movie and trying to just talk about that, I mean, it's a passion project of 30 years that he's been trying to make. We've talked about this before. It's got Adam Driver and this is insanely eclectic cast is the best way, I think, to describe that. And I'm looking forward to it still. You know, I'm one of those people that can obviously separate the art from the reality of the artist that's going around it. And that stuff hasn't even been settled. But the movie is going to come out and Francis for copa is made arguably the greatest movie of all time. He's made in a collection of films that are the greatest and this is a very personal project. I go back to the press conference you were at at Cannes where he was very sincere about trying to push the medium of film forward. So I'm curious where I will land on this because I love directors, big swings. I always do. And we've talked about those many years. So Megalopolis September 27th, you know, be here before you know it and I'm kind of figuring we're going to have a conversation about that on the show. I think there's going to be a couple of September episodes guys. I think it's going to be this one and the substance are going to be two conversations that we're going to have in next month, both of those, which I've seen and both of those which I liked. I'm not going to belabor Megalopolis because I've talked a lot about it on the show and everything with you, I was intrigued by it, I really saw the labor of love that Francis Ford Coppola's put into this problem with it, maybe that he has too many ideas and questions that he wants to answer now in his 80s with potentially his last biggest film at least. I mean, we're talking politics, we're talking love, we're talking fathered everything and a little bit more is in this movie. And I was thinking of you in a short discussion we had on track, which is a movie where if you see it, which I really liked as well, if you see it and you're thinking about what Shyamalan means to movie history and all the ideas he has and how he's using track to talk about our expectations of him and I mean, he even puts the twist in the trailer for God's sake. He's pulling our leg. It's a completely different movie, of course, but it's the same way I saw Megalopolis, you have to see it through the eyes of Coppola and thinking about him throughout the movie. If you're not, if you're new to Coppola, it's going to be a very weird and odd movie. So I sort of see a connection between how you're watching these films and how you may see them afterwards. I'm going to ask you one question, then we can move on to the next film. Based off of that, and I know a lot of people wouldn't say this, but are you very curious to watch it again in trying to pick up more or are you more like, I was good with the one experience and I'll keep that in my back pocket. I absolutely want to watch it again. I think there's a lot of even more hidden messages and questions that he has in it that I miss just because the scope was so huge and it's. Got layers. Yeah. So absolutely. I was thinking a lot about Shyamalan, and then I was thinking about honestly the Wachowskis too. I was thinking a lot when I was reading some of the reactions to it because I was thinking about how people have expectations, but they also set those expectations before they go in and judge the art and how that's not helpful to the artists. And there's almost a sense of trying to root for it or the word pretentious gets thrown around. And I think when you're trying to do something ambitious, there could be a little bit of pretension there for sure, but I think that there's also a sense of earnestness from him when he's talking about this. It doesn't sound like just your regular old run of the mill thing because he's not making a movie every year, like some of his counterparts, like Scorsese, like Spielberg. And he's paying for the whole thing with his own vineyards, just let him do it. Yeah. I want to. That's why I want to see it. So. But what do you think? Will people go see it? Oh, I think nobody will see this movie. I think because of its already mixed reactions, and then there are going to be people because of his other controversies that's going around, regardless of, I mean, that whole thing's just going to have to play itself out. I mean, obviously something happened there. And at least from the oversight perspective, the optics look terrible. But in terms of cinnophiles, I think everybody will go see that. Yeah. And so. But for a larger audience. No. Yeah, a larger audience though. I know they're trying to put in an IMAX. We'll see. I think it, I think it'll, I mean, it could honestly do, you know, it's probably not going to make any money. But like, it would be the equivalent of like a, a Furiosa, where I think the people that want to see it will go see it, but the larger audience, they are going to have a hard time going to see something as experimental and challenging as this. All right. October 4th, a very anticipated film, Joker Fulia de. It's the sequel to the 2019 Joker directed by Todd Phillips, Joaquin Phoenix, of course, Returns as Arthur Fleck. This movie he wanted to be a part of as opposed to Haines, which he, that's another, that's for another show. Wonder if PTA wrote any rewrites on Joker Fulia de. Right. So. So. Lady Gaga is coming on as Harley Quinn, and this is, of course, a musical. Are you looking forward to this? No. I think, I think releasing a Joker movie during a political season. It's a terrible idea, and I know because they did it the last time. And it was not good then. And it's not good now. I mean, I remember hearing the States having security checks up my theater because of the, the heightened sense of danger that would presented with the first Joker. And I think that it, I need, the only way I'm going to watch Joker is that a press screening, because I'm not watching it with any normies whatsoever. And that's not a shot of people. It's just the truth. Like I just to feel safe. And it's not hyperbole because I remember them literally, you know, wanding us like we were going into the Super Bowl to see a movie. And I remember the movie just being talk about pretentious, pretentious version of what a Martin Scorsese movie is wrapped up in a comic book. Several Martin Scorsese movie. Yeah. Like it was the King of Comedy and Taxi Driver and all these things. And now this looks like New York, New York, you know what I mean? And I am curious from the Lady Gaga perspective, but talk about like the trailer has already presented this as the movie, I think it's going to be where I think it's either going to all be in their head in a dream sequence and that'll be the twist or they get out and it's super conventional. I don't know how they're going to break the form. I don't know how the music is going to be. I mean, it's not original music if I'm not mistaken. It is, it's like a sort of jukebox musical, you know? And so it'll be interesting to see what songs they use there from the Gaga perspective of it all. I think she's going to be good. I think she's going to be really good. I have heard rumors that Phoenix is even better than this than he is in the first Joker and that there's certain flourishes about this one that elevate this past that one. And I thought he did give a good performance. I will say that it was, I mean, it's kind of hard not to. He gave it his all to try to win an Oscar, but the other thing that's going to surround it, as you mentioned, is his controversy of what he did to Todd Haines and Christine Fauchon and that entire production, which so many producers in Hollywood are pissed off about. If anyone doesn't know, he brought a project to Christine Rushon and to Todd Haines and he, five days before they were going to start filming in Mexico, he just left it, which of course, leaves a lot of people without work and just, as Christine herself wrote in a statement that it's a nightmare. Yeah. And I think he could give him some Joker money to just, I mean, whatever his reason. He should. I mean, he, I mean, what he should have done is try to find a way to fix this and he didn't because he's a coward. And I can, and I think that he will be fine because he's going to make a Joker movie and it's going to make a billion dollars. But like Todd Haines and Christine Rushon, they are people that mostly work in an independent space to put them on the hook for millions of dollars is irresponsible. And I hope that Hollywood punishes him for it, honestly, like this isn't one of those words black and white or words, like there's some gray moral area. No, this is black and white, what he did was horrible. And he almost did it to Ridley Scott, literally for Napoleon, we're reading about that he demanded Paul Thomas Anderson come and do some rewrites where it seems to be the, the in thing now, if you're, you know, killers of the flower moon and Napoleon or any other film just from Apple just called Paul Thomas Anderson, he'll do your rewrites. Then I tell you what, he's going to do some fixing on this podcast when we're done. I have him. You know what? That's fair. If, if PTA fixed anything in my life, I would be like fair, like just do it. You know what I mean? I would never problem with it. But yeah, PTA has to be pissed off at this Todd Haines. I mean, he must understand that. Yeah, because I bet you he's done it, tried to do it to him before, you know what I mean? So I had mixed feelings going into Joker just because I didn't like the first one. I think Todd Phillips is a hack and kind of a, a little bit of a misogynist and a bunch of other things based off his previous work and his comments in the past. But he is weirdly one of the people at Warner Brothers that gets a blank check to do whatever he wants because he's made them giant hits with the hangover movies in old school and all these different things. So it'll make a, like I said, it'll make a billion dollars. It'll probably be in the Oscar race for all the texts and everything that was previously. But based off of what happened with the, the, the, Val Sean Haines film, that could hurt the film too, for sure. I have nothing to add. I agree. I wasn't much of a fan of the first one. I'm what I'm looking forward to is Lady Gaga. So I'll definitely see it for that. And I'm sure she's going to be great and it's going to make a billion dollars at least. I just want to see, I just want a new album from her. Can I have the new album? If I had to sit through a Joker movie to get new Lady Gaga music, that's fine. Like I like that I'll, that I'll live with that. I can live with it. So October 11th is a big one because it's, it's, it's, it's kind of also significant to the year, which is Jason Reitman's new film Saturday Night, which is based off of the first production of Saturday Night Live. It stars Gabriel Lebel as Lauren Michaels and a huge ensemble cast as all the original members of that first season of Saturday Night Live. And yeah, it's Chevy Chase, Dan Aykroyd, you know, Gilda Radner, all these people, you know, and not actually them, actors playing, I got six. I do not want to see Chevy Chase in this movie at all. But it, we saw a trailer, we have a poster of it. It looks like a very much like a, it's a mad, mad world meets animal house vibe to it. It also looks like from the trailer standpoint, it looks very Steve Jobs-esque almost like where it's all contained. Almost Birdman-esque where it's contained all in one setting and it's one location and it's all set in one night, you know, this is Jason Reitman who did thank you for smoking out in the air. And Juneau hasn't made a really great movie in a while because he's been stuck in Ghostbusters land, but this is hopeful to be his return to form. Christina, this is also within the 50th anniversary year of Saturday Night Live, so it's a big turnaround. They just finished doing this, wrapping up this movie in May. They've got it in the editing bay, they're supposedly going to get it out to tell you right. And Toronto, they're making the big ways with this. What do you think about this movie? I am a huge SNL history junkie. I think, I've always been, I've read the books. I think Gabriel Lebel did a tremendous performance as a version of Steven Spielberg in The Fablemans. I think he looks fantastic in the trailer as Lauren Michaels. It couldn't be more relevant in terms of the 50th anniversary. There's been a few years of Saturday Night Live where a lot of people I think are feeling that it hasn't been at its best level, but we have a very interesting election coming up where I think people are going to start tuning in. Jason Reitman is a mixed bag for me, but I will certainly look forward to seeing this. I think it could be like a sleeper little indie hit, I do, because I do think that Rachel Senate has her fans, obviously the history of it all, and if it has good reception out of the festivals, then I think it could make a little bit of money just because of the history and everything. I do agree, you know, Saturday Night Live is sort of this weird thing now where it used to be the mecca of going for political commentary, but obviously it's a former president who's still running for president, kind of used and abused that and over the last four to eight years, it's been up and down, you know what I mean? I think it kind of, now Saturday Night Live depends on who the host is and the host are there. You have a gossiping and it goes back. You have to elevate, I think, the cast in a lot of the writing sometime, and they have great sketches still every now and then, but a 50th celebration, Lauren Michaels, who's probably going to retire here in the next couple of years, and we'll have speculation about like, we'll have a conclave for that, you know, it's who's going to take over, but I think it's going to be a very celebratory-- It'll be me smoke coming out. Yeah, it'll be like, yeah, it'll be marijuana smoke, yeah, exactly. But like, I am curious about it, you know, I was, I wasn't a big fan of the trailer and I think the poster looks fine, but the idea of it could still be really good. I think the bell's a star and I think, I think if you watched the Fablebins, you know, that he can take on an icon very well and I think he was also in a movie this year that wasn't like the greatest film, but his performance was really great in Snack Shack. And I just think that get him in more movies, Cooper Hoffman has his dad's touch, Rachel Senate is her own brand at this point, and Dylan O'Brien as Dan Aykroyd in that red shirt. It's the best casting of that you could ever do. Dan Aykroyd's never looked better. I was watching that in that trailer just for Dylan O'Brien looking like that. I think that the cast is kind of spot on. That's great. It could be a lot of fun. I think it'll be a fun time and so I'm curious about it for sure. All right. The next one I think is going to be a big deal and that's because of the incredible director Steve McQueen, which I'm always waiting for and that's Blitz coming on November 1st. Maybe you can tell me more about, I know that it's World War II London. I love McQueen. I think he's one of our great directors. I think Small Axe was a miracle of a collection of films and I mean Hunger and Shame and The Twelve Years of Slave and Widows. Oh my God, just the man does not miss. Yeah, it's kind of been kept under wraps as to what the details of this movie are. Obviously, it stars Sir Sharon and has mostly cast of unknowns opposite of her, but I don't need to know much more than this. It's a World War II film. It's McQueen's attempt at a World War II movie. He just came off and making a giant, wasn't that like a giant World War II documentary? That was four hours long that we saw all last year that nobody saw? We all saw that it came out, but we never, we never stood another, yeah. But we understand that it was really important and yeah, it was really important, but it was like kind of laid the groundwork and the foundation to then make Blitz and so it premieres of the London Film Festival. It'll be the closing night film at the New York Film Festival. It'll play the festival circuit. There have been some rumors of like the test screenings not being the greatest thing in the world, but we've heard that before and then movies end up being some of our best films of the year. It's Steve McQueen also, so I'm not going to buy a bunch of test screenings about people because it's like this is one of our great directors that we have and he's a singular visionist that I think that this could be a big film for him and a big film in the race and it's a very important film in the race because it's Steve McQueen making a movie and it's one of the only authors that we have this year that is making something. So I'm very much looking forward to it. I don't know if it'll make any money, but I don't care. It's one of those sort of like, it could make zero dollars. As long as you and I get to see it. Yeah. You and I will spend the $20 and needs to make it the box office to justify its means. So. Are you not entertained? I am entertained. You're entertained? Are you ready for it? Are you ready for it? I'm ready for it. Are you ready for it? I've got so charged the last show you were on talking about that year to November 22nd, the sequel to Ridley Scott's epic movie with Paul Mescal with Pedro Pascal with god damn Denzel Washington with sharks and CGI and JZ playing in the background and Joseph Quinn looking like a like a like a twink from hell like let's go. We are so ready for this. So back. And this is also going to make a billion dollars. Don't you think? God, I hope so. Yeah. I mean, considering that he's had a bad run, Ridley. I got to, I got to say it, it's one of those where this is a test. This is a test for a lot of things. One, this is the test for Ridley Scott. Last chance, buddy. You got gladiator two, you put a hell of a trailer like if you can't make money off of this, it's kind of done. Denzel, you've wanted to make a movie like this for a long time. Lead this movie to the promised land, Paul Mescal, are you the movie star that we've been looking for? Make $500 million on this movie, Paul, and then you can make whatever, you know, hoity toity film after that you want. Like this is, this is the you can save Tom Haines. Yes. You know what he should have been in that Todd Haines movie to be fair. Like this is, this is a very important film. I'm not even the biggest fan of the first Gladiator. I think it is a good movie. I don't think it's great. But dammit, there's something about that movie when you watch it when you're like, oh, Russell Crow is a frickin movie star. Joaquin is an incredible villain. This movie has a gobbledygook swordy sandals. Let's go. We should end like it's like, yeah, they're fighting a rhino in there and they've got water in the Coliseum and it's a revenge tale and it basically plays beat for beat like the first film. But you know what? They gave a shit when that was called Top Gun Maverick and that movie made a ton of money. So I'm so jazzed for this and and I'm and there's a lot of energy around this movie. Me too. And it's the same weekend as Wicked, which I realized I hadn't even written in here on this list. Yeah. I think this is going to overtake Wicked. I think. Well, I think this is actually going to be a good movie because I think Wicked looks terrible and everything they keep doing to try to release it regardless of whatever or whoever you believe is excited for that movie. I can tell you, I'm not, I've sold all the Wicked stock and and I put it all I put it all on the line with with with gladiator that weekend. And if that makes me sound like, oh, you're such a boy Ryan, no, I'm I'm more interested in a movie that's that's that looks fun and then the that's the other thing about Wicked, the sneakiness of being a part one, the sneakiness about like, no, I can tell you this, people want to see gladiator to us, the great and powerful a decade ago proved nobody wants to see more from the Wizard of Oz. We're done with that. Yeah. It's like, and then it's going to, and then part two is going to retcon because that's what the book does in the play. It's going to retcon the Wizard of Oz. So people that have never seen this before are going to get angry that like, the whole story gets changed and everything you're going to make the Wicked Witch from the original thing, the, the good part are like, I can tell you that's not it's, it didn't work for me. It's not going to work for people. And also the music in the second act sucks. So just putting that out there. So less people will see that. God, I hope so. I'm glad you're too that week. God, I hope so. All right. Move on. Yeah. Let's talk about, I don't know what your plans are on Christmas weekend this year. I'm going to the movies. I'm going to the movies and I'm going to see Nos Farrato, which is Robert Eggers latest film. Christina, this movie looks kind of great. It looks great. And I'm not the biggest Eggers guy. I don't know about you, but I've always, I just like, I want him to make a movie that blows me away. And that trailer kind of, it didn't do it all the way. But the idea and the concept and, you know, and Defoe and Sarsgard and these, these act Nicholas Holt and all these actors in it, like I'm like, give me this movie because like this, this also feels like another one where it could be a kind of a sleeper hit and we don't get to see movies like this, like this in Gladiator. We don't get to see movies like this made anymore. So I am curious, like, where are you at with Robert Eggers and in his, like, did you like the Lighthouse, the witch and the Northman thing is? I mean, I think that it's always interesting with someone who challenges us so much. It doesn't always hit me emotionally, to be honest. But I appreciate what he's done and mixed for me. But this movie feels like the perfect package. I'm also fascinated with, with Nos Farrato. I think he seems to have to be both going out on his own as well as respecting some of the iconic Nos Farrato imagery that we have with us as, as a cinema going audience. I love the cast and so I'm really looking forward to this. I mean, if it's good, I think it could be a sleeper hit. If it starts getting bad reviews, I find that this year, people are much more harsh on horror. Yeah. Also, also Emma Corrin, Lily Rose's depth and Lily Rose's depth is our lead in the film. And for many people that don't know what Nos Farrato is, is essentially Dracula, you know. And so in, it's giving his take on this genre that feels, that, on the story, I mean, that seems very much what you would expect from Robert Eggers. But also kind of what Coppola did with his Brom Stoker's Dracula, where it's very much a unique looking vision. I don't think he's barring a lot. I think he's trying to do, there's certain, there's a couple shots though in the trailer while I was a fan of the overall trailer. He's being very sneaky and he's trying not to show everything. I do think that, I mean, he is a master of suspense and he's a very brutal filmmaker at times with his realism that he tries to portray. So I think that actually could benefit a movie like this. And yeah, I do think that there has been divisiveness amongst the horror fans. But there is all, all of them, I think, from my interactions with them online, agree that this looks like the crown jewel of the season. And I don't know if it'll be an awards contender or anything like that, but I think it could be a box office hit for Focus and Universal, who they worked with Eggers on the Northman. And that didn't make a lot of money in theaters, but it was a smash hit on streaming, improved that they could do that streaming and theatrical kind of window tandem there. So I'm really curious about that. Can we talk about the double features from Hell in Heaven? So like the double features from Hell would be James Mango is a complete unknown in Robert Zemeckis is here. But the double feature from Heaven is Luca Guadadino's queer and Pedro Amadovars, the room next door. Nice. So I think that... Go to Hell first. Yeah, let's go to Hell first and then come back. So Mango's film obviously is about the early days and rise of Bob Dylan's popularity. Here is a movie where... I don't know how to describe this because I don't want to talk about this movie, but it is essentially a snapshot of a family through their home throughout decades of their life. But it is set in the corner of their living room. And you're only able to see their life through that corner of the living room and everything that happens before they buy the house. And yeah, and it's just a set camera and it looks horrible. It's got Robin Wright and Tom Hanks a lot of the deaging sort of Beowulf style, you know, CGI then Zemeckis can't get enough of. And then with Mango's film, you have essentially walked the line too. You have... You have... Walk hard. Yeah. Walk hard too. You have Chalamet walking down the street. I mean, Cristina, of these two really bad looking movies, which one are you more intrigued to watch? You're watching both. Yeah, I'll watch both, but I'll definitely watch Complete Unknown. Okay. I mean, there's going to be so much talk about Timothy. Are they going to do the awards run for him? Feels like it. Yeah. It feels like a big... It feels like... Honestly, it could feel like his time. I'm not fully there yet, but with Dune Part 2 in this, if this is a big hit at the holidays, like most biopics have tended to be. And there's a senior or biopic in the year, musical biopic in the year that people cling on to like an Elvis... Right. Or a rocket man. It can make money. Yeah. Boeing and Rhapsody. Yeah. And I don't know how popular Bob Dylan is to Elvis and Queen, but Chalamet's popular. But he is. Yes. And so... And as you mentioned on the last show, my nine-year-old who liked Wonka, we're changing the chocolate for the harmonica now. Oh. That sounds like a Bob Dylan layer, doesn't it? The chains of the hematica for the jack-lit. Yeah. More terrible Bob Dylan impressions to come over the year from me on this show and others. Yeah. Because I think the... I think this is a Neckos movie that looks cursed. Like it looks from an uncanny valley perspective, but it's going to try to build off of the nostalgia of this team from Forrest Gump. That's 30 years ago at this point coming back together, like it's going to get those AARP voters right out there to go and... You know what? Christmas. They're not going to see Nosferatu. They're going to go see that. It could be a hit. It could be. That's... The mech is... It's scary. It's scary. I just can't... I just can't get over the fact that it's set in the corner. It's not a wide shot. You know what I mean? It's a... Oh, what a corner. It's the corner of history. I mean... Damn it. It really is. That's... See, the more everybody jokes about it, the more on the nose it becomes, but there's that shot in the trailer where Robin Wright walks right up to where that corner is. Nobody walks up to a corner in their house and just starts talking to it like it's one of the plants. Maybe she's being punished or something. I don't know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. But then there's queer in the room next door, which those are, I think, are most anticipated. At least they're right up there as my most anticipated movies of the of the year look at Guadadino's queer, which stars Daniel Craig, and it's supposedly about a man who becomes infatuated and obsessed with this younger man. It is supposed to be very sexy and with a lot of sex. So at least, you know, don't tell Joaquin Phoenix. You might not go buy a ticket, but it's... I don't know. It doesn't have a distributor yet, but we're very curious about it. And yeah, I mean, it could be a showcase for Daniel Craig, who I love as an actor. And I mean, Lucas made our favorite movie of the year with Challenger so far, so it can only be surprising to see which of his two films that I end up loving more as the challengers as a queer. He's talked about that this is the inspiration for this movie is a lot of talent press burger movies. So it's really fascinating to see Luca dive into that. And then Amadova, the room next door, it's still to Swinton, it's Julianne Moore. I don't really need to know anything more than that about it, and I don't know anything. And I'm kind of... I'm trying to go in blind to these movies as much as possible, but we know what Pedro Cano and it's his first English language feature film. He had that short that came out last year that you saw, the perfume commercial essentially is what people called it, with Ethan Hawke and Pedro Pascal. I never saw it, probably never will, but I'm more curious to see this for sure. Me too, I mean, I think that if queer is as good as I think and hope that it will be, I think Daniel Craig is, it's going to be a really interesting best actor run this year with Conclave finds who everyone is looking at. I mean, we just talked about Timmy, we just talked about if Joaquin is coming back, but I think that Daniel Craig could possibly be doing the role of a lifetime. As you mentioned, challengers, I mean, Luca is one of my all-time favorites, he's just getting more and more mature and more and more interesting. And I mean, Pedro Almagovar, you know, that's it. I love Pedro. Just bring it on. I think he's injected into my veins. He's one of my top 10 directors of all time. Every time he makes a movie, I both laugh and cry through pretty much most of it. And sometimes when the laughing happens, it's still in inappropriate moments. Again, it's one of those, like, he's one of our tours that we have this year. And so I kind of hold this to be in like a precious cargo of like, well, this is one of the guys, you know what I mean? So like, we need to take this movie very seriously. So I am looking forward to that also, I would throw in Coma Domingo for sing-sing into the actor. Exactly. 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I didn't like Brady Courbet's Fox Lux. He has a three-hour movie called The Brutalist, also historical drama, post-war Europe, I think. What do you know about this? Are you looking forward to? It's a three-hour film with Adrian Brody at the center of it. It's supposedly also a Holocaust film as well. Not much other than that. It'll be at Venice. It'll be at TIFF. It'll be at New York, I believe, as well, too. I expect it to be an interesting experience. It supposedly has an intermission to it as well. That's how long this thing is, but I've not seen Vox Lux. I will buy the time. I will buy the time. I see this one. No. You should see it, or you shouldn't see it. It's one of those in the middle sort of things, and I've heard what it's about, and I'm kind of scared about it, but I'm very curious. I think Brody is an interesting actor and doesn't really do a lot of lead actor performances anymore. He's been in the West Anderson cabinet of actors, and he's done a lot of supporting things over the last two decades since he's won his Oscar, but this could be maybe his chance to get back into the race. But it's a long movie. Here they're pretty much only screening it on 35mm, which sounds awesome, but for an audience to see it, again, it'll just have to depend. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it, for sure, but I don't know if most people outside of you and me again won't want to see it. Conclave? A movie that Eric Anderson's artist has been saying for months, he thinks is going to be a huge Oscar. I think it will be too. I am a little nervous about the PG rating for it, but for a thriller to be PG, maybe they'll petition it to be PG-13, who knows. Edward Burger all quiet on the Western Front. Yeah, and it has an insane cast with Ralph Fiennes and John Lithgow and Isabella Rosalini and to the Switch, or Stanley Tucci, and yeah, it's about the selection of a new pope, but there's scandalous mysteries behind all of it, and all will be revealed. No one called Tom Hanks? No one called Tom Hanks. No one said, you know, Robert Langdon, please come and help us angels and demons. Style, but I am reading the book here at the Vatican. It does feel a little from the book standpoint. It does feel a little Dan Brown Da Vinci Code, as our, you know, our own friend, Sofia Simonella kind of described it to me, and I'm kind of feeling the same vibe too, but I think it'll be elevated for the film, and I'm Burger, you know, his take on all quiet on the Western Front was a good effort, and was very popular, very visceral experience that did very well in the Oscar race. So it'll be interesting to see how he tackles some more subdued subject rather than war, a different war, I guess, of a religious war. And I'd love to see both Ralph Fiennes and Isabella Rosalini in the award season. Oh yeah, I think that, you know, Fiennes has been overdue, and I mean, we're coming on 10 years since Grand Budapest Hotel, which he should have got an Oscar nomination for, which is like the signature performance of his career. So yeah, I'm really curious about that one. We should be seeing it in a couple of weeks. So Nickel Boys, based on the Pulitzer Prize winning novel by Colson Whitehead, directed by Remell Ross, two boys sentenced in a really horrible reform school, sort of Jim Crow era, Florida. This sounds like it could be really powerful. The book is an award-winning book in Colson Whitehead, who's one of my favorite authors on the planet, truly just knocking out masterpiece after masterpiece of books lately. And this is his signature book, you know, Remell Ross is the director that did Hell Academy this morning, this evening, which was a phenomenal film that came out, I believe, in 2019, and what is time, folks? Well, it has an interesting, it's got a good cast behind it. I'm curious to see how it'll be. I mean, I, you know, I hope that it's very good. Hell County is so different than most films in such an interesting documentary to make, and to make a narrative feature here is incredible, and so it kind of gives me the moonlight vibes a little bit of how the story could be more visually forward than narrative forward, even though it's based off a book. And if done right, it could be a big player in the award season, otherwise it'll, it could be kind of lifetime, film of the month, you know what I mean, kind of thing, so. And it is kind of, it's kind of the, the damn, if you do the damn, if you don't, it's the, you know, the sort of like, you know, it's the Jim Crow racial stories that we've gotten over the last couple of years, and then that American fiction poked at a lot last year. So it'll be interesting to see how audience take that in a year apart from a movie like that, critiquing about what black films and black artists can do going forward. I mean, you have that, you have the piano lesson from Malcolm Washington, you know, which is like. Denzel Sun. Yeah, that sounds really interesting with Daniel Detweiler and John David Washington and Samuel Jackson, who's supposed to be in an Oscar winning role, essentially for that film. So I'm looking forward to that movie, both of those movies, but I wonder what the conversations around them will be like, you know, people, people online can be very vicious, even if the movies are done in earnest. And so I hope that we're having good conversations about the art before we talk about the context or surrounding them. So. Where do you stand on Pablo Lorraine? I stand in the middle on Pablo Lorraine. I think that, I mean, this movie last year was not my cup of tea, and almost put me to sleep. To be honest with you, the things that Lockman, your beautiful cinematography. But I am looking forward to Maria, mostly because of who's playing Maria, Calist, and I mean, it's Angelina Jolie, and she does not make a lot of things. She's been, you know, out of the limelight for a little bit, you know, obviously doing with her divorce with Brad Pitt, and taking care of her children, and she also was directing a film, but she's made this, and this is a part of the third part in his women trilogy, because Jackie and Spencer were the first two parts. And I love Jackie. I think Jackie is a phenomenal film. Spencer, I liked most of it up until, I think, third act when we start getting a little too cute for its own, you know, sense. And I think there was, I mean, I much prefer, you know, I guess, the crown, and how that handled all of it, rather than the fantasy element of it, but there were also things that were really good about it, including Stuart's overall performance was very good. That's so funny. I feel exactly the same way in this trilogy of famous women and, you know, grappling with the incredible amount of fame and pressure and tragedy these three women have in this. I thought Jackie was spectacular. I go back to that one a lot thinking about how we actually did. Yeah. And Spencer was not, for me, I thought it was kind of indulgent. I know lots of people really liked it, but it didn't work for me. I think I'm so looking forward to this one. Angelina Jolie. She just has a presence that you miss, and it's like not, you know, we've been seeing a lot of her counterparts from her generation, have her surgeons or other actresses around her age have showcases to show, you know, how great they are. And I think for years, she's step behind the camera more or Brad's been able to do that when they were married. And now that they're getting divorced, I think that this is her chance. Getting new. Haven't they been getting divorced? Like a decade already? Yeah, but he's been able to win an Oscar in between that time. This is her chance, and this is also the chance for an industry to celebrate her on a whole. Oh, I hope it looks good. I hope so too. Speaking of celebrating an actress, I mean, for all the fans out there, is NightBitch the year that Amy Adams finally wins the Oscar. Bitch. Yes. Oh my God, this is the one. Yes. Mariah Heller's new film, which Mariah Heller, our last couple of films have gotten Melissa McCarthy and Tom Hanks dominated for Oscars, not wins, but very close to him. NightBitch is about essentially a woman, you know, she starts transforming into a dog. And so it's very interesting. It gives off. And Amy Adams to get to this kind of a meaty role is meaty role. Listen, if Amy Adams is selecting great work, she's one of our great actresses that we have. Which she's done over the last couple of years has not been great. Her only, I think, great piece of work, no, well, her only good piece of work over the last, I would say, seven, eight years has been sharp objects, and that was a television show, and she was phenomenal on that and showed us all there, hey, if she's given the right work by an author, filmmaker, that has the juice, she can, she can have it, too. She can be inspired. Yeah, when she's not making hillbilly elegy, which she's probably going to have to answer some questions for that are on that. That press tour coming up is going to be. But I'm more actually not just interested from the Amy Adams perspective, Mariah Heller is one of the more exciting voices that we have in cinema right now, and she makes interesting character studies. And she's interested in mostly single person perspectives. And so I'm very interested to see them make this sort of psychological drama with Amy Adams at the forefront. I heard the book, Sophia Seminolo over at awards watch, she read the books, she said it is a ride. And so I am looking forward to this for sure. And yeah, I hope, I mean, she's getting the TIFF tribute, you know, so she's going to start collecting awards like Infinity Stones, and it could be her and Angelina and a bunch of other actresses. Best actress is pretty deep this year. So another one is Nicole Kidman in another. Oh, yeah. She anticipated Helen Raines, baby girl, she's the director of bodies, bodies, bodies, her new film, which seems to be an erotic thriller, Kidman and a younger man, Harris Dickinson. This looks really good. I'm so excited about this trio of films we're talking about, right? I just think that Nicole Kidman deserves all this. We're going to get this picture of Angelina, Nicole and Amy Adams on the red carpet. Give it to me 20 times. It's going to be 2004 all over again, like it's going to be, you know, I mean, no, but then also like, yeah, I mean, Nicole Kidman just got to say this. Mad respect to you. You make a rom-com this year where you're basically having sex with Zac Efron. Now you're making an erotic thriller where you're basically having sex with hair and kick into whatever the hell you want. You know what I mean? Also Keith, look out. Maybe. I don't know. You know? You got to be careful. So otherwise it's night, bitch. Anyway, can I talk to you about one of the strangest trailers I've ever seen in my life? Please. Okay. So Morgan Neville's new documentary, "Peace by Peace," is a in-depth look into the life of Pharrell Williams, the massive producer and artist, musical artist. It's all done to the form of Legos. And I took my wife a couple weeks to go to the movies. And I had not seen the trailer. She didn't even know this thing existed. She looked at me when it was over. And she said, "Two things. One, what the hell was that?" And they are really running out of ideas. It's so weird. It was super weird. That's forever. Who has the deal with Lego? Why? There's a story behind this that I don't know. I don't know either. I mean it sounds... Why would you want a documentary about your incredible career in Lego? I don't understand unless... I don't know. It feels weird because then there was all the artists that normally do the regular sort of like Pharrell was awesome. I remember Pharrell when I was... They're all Lego-formed. It's weird. It's super fucking weird. Christina, I need Tim Waltz to do like just... We need to cut in any time we talk about one of these movies. We need to splash in some audio of... They're weird. You know? In creepy as hell. Like we need a little bit of that because it doesn't make a lot of sense. It's... Again, it's very weird. How are you with celebrating another Oppenheimer this year? I know you always are up for another Oppenheimer. Are you speaking of Joshua this time? Yes. I'm speaking of Joshua this time. Not another Jay Oppenheimer if you... Oh, right. There you go. Woo. The end. Also the end. Yes. Exactly. It's all kind of coming together. You know what? Maybe it is my favorite movie of the year already and I haven't even seen it. Yeah. What an interesting film, right? That this movie is. It's a... I mean, Joshua Oppenheimer, who has mostly worked in documentaries. This is his narrative feature debut. It has Tilda Swinton and Michael Shannon. And it is a musical about the end of the world. That's all we kind of know about it. To the end of the world as we know it. And I'm pumped to see whatever this is because I think Oppenheimer as a documentarian was and is a fantastic filmmaker. And so I'm curious to see where he takes this. Right, Christina? Right. I'm right there. Here's an interesting story about a musician with a weird premise that I actually am looking forward to and that's the Robbie Williams. You remember Robbie Williams take that fame, a biopic called Better Man where he plays himself. Yeah. I think this could be good. Now I've met Robbie Williams a few times in different shows that I produced over the years and he is a character. He has the right amount of self awareness but also can really joke about himself and really seen what he's been going through and he's funny and he's been through a bunch of shit. And I think this could be interesting. Michael Gracie, now I don't remember it, but he's done a few interesting things, right? He'd done the greatest showman. And here's another showman. It's going to be a lot of that in the press. I think so. I mean he also looked like he was an executive producer on Rocket Man and so I think it's going to have a lot of visual flair. It's going to have a momentum to it and I think that that would be really, it would be really interesting and yeah, looking forward to it. And it's not Lego. Yes. It's not Lego. One of the big films that we are going to miss while we are at Telluride is The Return of Tim Burton and The Return of, I can't say his name three times, but the title of the film is too. So I get away with that. It's Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. The long awaited, I guess long awaited sequel like people have been waiting for this with Michael Keaton and General Ortega and Winona Ryder and Katherine O'Hara and Justin Thoreau and Willem Dafoe and Monica Bellucci. It's a big cast. A lot of people, Christina, are already speculating that this is going to make a lot of money opening weekend. People think that this is going to be a big hit. I don't know what your thoughts are on the original or on Burton, I guess as a whole. I'm a little skeptical because he hasn't made a good movie in a long time and I know that this is pure nostalgia. The trailer kind of did nothing for me, but I guess it's maybe am I out of touch? I'll tell you what I think it has. I think this is the perfect magical combination of getting groups into the theaters. You have your kids who like Jen Ortega, who the parents have shown Beetlejuice too. You have the Tim Burton fans. I'm not saying it's going to be good. I just mean that it has, like Joseph, for example, you're not getting the kids into. I think this has a combination that could be really good. It's a good weirdly for quadrant. Yes, exactly. People love the original. It's like a Barbie dark humor Barbie. It will be that big. It's emo Barbie. That's what it is. Yes. No, I agree with you. I worry about it because early projections are always at these box office projections. Please stop. They've all been wrong pretty much this year. If it's saying that it's going to make 70, 80 million, people think it can make more. That could be scary, but if it doesn't make it, but it's also going to premiere. It's the opening night film of Venice, so we'll see what people think about it pretty much immediately and we'll know whether or not we've got a winner on our hands. Are you happy Michael Keaton's back? I am. I love Keaton. I love it forever. Michael Keaton stand. I listened. Tim Burton is very nostalgic for me. I grew up watching all of his movies and he was one of those directors that he had a look and style that was unique to him and he still does. I hope him pray to God he makes a movie that's good. I know that it's also one of my wife's favorite movies of all time is the first people choose. He's watched this trailer a couple of times and is absolutely scared out of her mind as to what this movie could be because she doesn't want that to be ruined and I feel like that for a lot of people, but it sticks to the landing. It could also, it could be a fun time at the movies for sure and they're gonna go so overboard with the marketing. They already have. They've got like 19 they've got 19 popcorn buckets for this thing since the year of the popcorn bucket. But Amelia Perez, I think that's gonna be huge. It's bought by Netflix. It's a crazy, wonderful musical with a fantastic star at the center. She's gonna be huge. Carla Sofia Gascon, Selena Gomez is in it. This is gonna be huge in the Spanish speaking world. I think this is gonna be big. Yeah, I think you have some Oscar talk. Oh, I think it will have its Oscar talk, it's got, it's gonna be at every festival. It sort of Netflix, this big push, like it reminds me a lot of the way in which they're taking care of this movie, reminds me a lot of how they did power the dog, where they are putting it everywhere. They want everyone to see it. They have seven public screenings at TIFF, they're gonna have it at New York, most likely. They'll have it at Telluride, they're gonna have it everywhere. This is the film that they wanna push, and it's a bold film from just what you've told me and others have told me for them to be their number one player of the year. So I'm very curious to see it. It's one of my most anticipated films of the year. Good, good. But I wanna just ask you how you think if the apprentice is gonna make any waves, probably a buses film with Sebastian Stan starring as Trump, if you ask me a pretty basic biopic. I kinda hope not, 'cause I think Sebastian Stan's got another film like he probably most likely, he's got some other films that are gonna come out that potentially would be better for him. I mean, from what I've heard, it's Jeremy Strong has a really good performance in it. The performances are good, that's not the issue with the film. I think it's kind of irresponsible to make a movie about that right now, and I'm trying not to be divisive at the movies these days, 'cause there's already enough of that division. But it also just kinda feels like it's so on the nose. It's like when Oliver Stone made a W movie, George W. Bush movie in the middle of his presidency. It's like nobody's asking for this right now. We're already living through enough hell. Like I don't need to see this movie, so yeah, and it's not picked up by a big studio or anything, so it's probably just gonna be an awards screener that you get in the mail and kind of forget about, so maybe that's the good thing. I had a couple of films I'm just gonna rattle off real quick, if that is okay. So you don't have to rattle? We live in time, which is the film with, it's from John Crowley, did Brooklyn, it starts Andrew Garfield and Florence Pugh, it has its world premiere at TIFF, I've heard mixed things again, but it's like you take it with a grain of salt. It could be a big emotional moving romantic piece of cinema that A24, they're gonna put a lot of weight behind that one on Swift Horses, which is this movie with Daisy Ecker Jones and Jacob Elordy and Will Poulter and Diego Galva, and it's a sexy love triangle square and evidently Will Poulter, and I'm sorry, do you know, yes, Diego Galva and Jacob Elordy have a love affair and it's sexy and it's, you know, yeah, I'm looking forward to it, it's directed by Daniel Manahana, I believe, and he's mostly done television. He did a lot of, he did some of the fellow travelers as well as Game of Thrones and True Blood and Deadwood, so he's been in the HBO sort of wheelhouse and he's doing a directorial, you know, kind of debut here from a feature film standpoint. I want to talk about a movie that had a trailer this past weekend real quick that a lot of people are still angry about and need to get the fuck over it and that is Mufasa, the Lion King, listen, I get it, listen, I get it. This stuff, these Disney remakes are not good, okay, but it is a movie. But a few of this one, there's a bit of, yes, yes, but it's Barry Jenkins, the guy that made moonlight in a bill street could talk in the Underground Railroad and Madison for Melancholy, if he's signing up to do something like this, we should maybe give him the benefit of the doubt. We gave David Lowry the benefit of the doubt when he made Pete's Dragon. We gave Kenneth Brona the benefit of the doubt when he made Cinderella and those. We did, people did at the time, it was before, I think, they really started picking up and based off this, the trailer alone here is better than the 2019 movie, period. That movie is one of the worst movies ever released and this does not look nearly as bad because you can actually tell that they took, Jenkins took the criticism of these faces and having no emotions and actually are trying to emote. If anything, it's going to be visually beautiful, it's going to probably have music from Nicholas Patel, it's going to be shot by all of his regulars and done with a sensitivity and also, we're living in a year where prequels have done pretty well. We're talking about Furiosa, we're talking about the first Omen, we're talking about the quiet day, part one, quiet place film. They have all done pretty well in terms of people liking them for the most part. I think we can give this one a benefit of the doubt. It's also not made for adults, it's made for kids. People need to stop moving goalposts for certain directors and not for other directors. I'm not saying this is nearly the top of my list of most anticipated films. I will 20 to 30 other films I will select over this movie. But it's like, do you want him to not make movies going forward because this needs to be a hit? I'll definitely give him the benefit of the doubt. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for whatever Disney movie he wanted to make. I think it just feels like it's just this particular story is just made so many times that when you're wondering, he'll bring his incredible passion to it and all the things you were saying. Is there something else we gain or the kids gain from seeing this movie again? Yeah, that's fair. That's my only question. I agree with you on that, I get that. I do also know that it's like an entire, mostly black cast, it's from a director that, you know, if you just look at the stuff on paper and you just write out the stories that he's told on paper, they're pretty simplistic stories. This is a pretty, could be a very simplistic story, but he's just able to capture emotion better than 95% of the directors that have ever made live action remakes of Disney movies. So why not, let's see what he can do with it. And if it's bad, I'll call it out, I'll say it's bad, like I have no problem with it, but- And I can't wait to hear him and interviews talk about why he wanted to do this. Yeah, but I feel like he's getting a little bit, it goes back to what we were talking about with Copa and Shyamalan and some of these other directors, people feel like they already have their reviews written for it and it's like, you need to go in unbiased. I'm not saying that, you know, we don't have our biases and there weren't movies that we talked about today. Which is what you'll be doing when you go into Wicked. Exactly. I will. No, honestly, I'm going to do my, I'm going to try to do my best, even though I have my context with it because maybe John and Chew is going to subvert things and do things differently than the musical div for me at times. So, you know, you never know, you know what I mean? And lastly, there's one last thing and I'm so curious about this. This is from like a film history perspective, more than anything that I'm curious about and it's one of the titles at Venice. It's a documentary and it is called From Darkness to Light and it is a documentary about the Jerry Lewis Lost Holocaust film, The Day the Clown Cryed. And I have been fascinated by this project. It is. Which Jerry Lewis forbid ever to be shown. It until the year. So disappointed with it. Yeah. Until the year 2025 is what he gave the Library of Congress. This is, I mean, it's a little year early. Yeah. Well, he felt like, yeah, he, oh, really interesting. He was just, he felt like he didn't crack it and that he felt disappointed in himself. But obviously, we all know this artists are tending to be hard on themselves. It is a very tricky subject matter is about a fictitious German circus performer who insults Adolf Hitler and is sent to concentration camps to perform for Jewish children before they are sent to the gas chambers. That is an extremely dark premise, but it, you know, Lewis wanted to make a point and this was in 72 when this movie was made as well. It almost sounds like a little bit like his great dictator in a lot of ways and has been lost. And yes, Lewis died and he made the stipulation that we wouldn't see the full film till next year. And I hope somebody releases it so we can see it. And fascinating with the filmmaker who says that, that I, I'm so disappointed in this. It's not what I thought it would be. I'm shelving it. Yeah. I mean, but you know, back then they could do something like that. They could create, you know, I mean, like I guess somebody like hope will could do that because he owns his film, right? So if he didn't like megalopolis, he could just be like, I'm not putting an out there in the world. But I'm curious because this documentary says post a show footage from that film that we've not seen yet. And it could spark kind of like we did with that lost Orson Welles film, it could spark maybe a streamer to pick this up. And Christina, I think that it would be one of the more fascinating things that has happened in film over the last couple of years to be able to talk about that movie. And because it's one of those like rare jewels that we've not talked about that people have been like, have you heard about this? Have you talked about this? So I'm interested to seeing how the reaction to the documentary comes out. And I mean, obviously we live in some very divided times, but you know, in how the depiction of that during, you know, obviously everything going on with Israel and Palestine. How does the release of a documentary like that? How does in the release of that movie look, it could be a very interesting conversation piece down the road. Fascinating. I cannot wait. See, it's a it's a really fascinating season. We have like ahead of us thrive to 25 as we exactly, you know, not just surviving thrive and 24. No, wait, that doesn't rhyme. Thank you so much, Ryan. Tell everyone where they can read your stuff. You can find all my work at awardswatch.com. That's where we also do the awards watch podcast and the director watch podcast. Right now on the director watch podcast this week, we are starting our movie series on the great Terrence Malick. I'm fantastic. And you can also find Ryan here because you're on Yes, I am on pop culture. Yeah, I am rare. I'm there's not a week that goes by when I don't tell Kristina, when am I coming back on? Yeah. But yes, you can catch me here. Once a month, once a month, hanging out talking movies, talking interesting stuff. And as September kind of creeps his head, we'll have we'll have seen things by the next time we talk. I tell you read and we'll probably have a discussion about that or will hopefully have a discussion about the substance or make a lot of this or some of the other special shows to catch up on those movies. Thank you so much. Thank you, Kristina. Hey, folks, it's Alex collegiate creator of Project Greenlight from HBO and I live and breathe film and I have for a long time and I want to share stories with you from people that make the movies that you love and I love. So it's casual popcorn, you know, gossip with behind the scenes like how it was really made. What it ends up being about is people and seeing life cinematically. So come join us. 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