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Ep. 871. The Correct Bracha to Make on Chicken with Stuffing or Meat with Stuffing.
The Correct Bracha to Make on Chicken with Stuffing or Meat with Stuffing.
Welcome everybody, shit number 871, getting back to our hocus brachos. Okay, so I just want to talk about an interesting thing I came across. I want to talk about it a while back and never chance, but in reference to meat stuffing, chicken stuffing, a person gets a chicken, sometimes you get a whole chicken, it's more like a cornish hand-type thing or sometimes meat, then there's stuffing inside. So you have two different types of stuffing, you have sometimes the stuffing could be rice stuffing, and sometimes it could be, you know, like little breadcrumbs, stuff like that, where it's made into a mush type of a thing mixed with many various different ingredients, however it's made, but be it as me, it becomes a berm in the mazonas, right? As far as it's known, as far as when, whereby you cannot recognize the breadcrumbs any more and it's made into a musha, sometimes it's the breadcrumbs are cooked, be it as me, if it's right, if it's rice, then it's also mazonas, but it's a different type of mazonas like we've spoken about in the past, okay. But now the question is, that's not the issue right now, what I want to talk about, what brotha do I make, I now have this piece of chicken in front of me, it's the stuff meat in front of me that has the inside stuffing is a mazonas, right? And the outside is a shahakal, so what brotha should I make? I'll kneading it together, I might eat a little separate, I mean, you know, so how do I work this thing over here, okay, so let's backtrack a minute, very interesting thing, how I brought a soap brought down, Rabadah brings down a page 475 in his, the regular Hilkitt's, a lot of the brotha's, he brings down that he heard from Rabbi Shlemmiz Al-Mul-Arbach, there's a lot interesting, okay, in reference to apple pie, we spoke about a couple of years ago, regular apple pie, right, a person eats regular apple pie, I make a mazonas, the outside is mazonas, it's baked, it's cooked together, everything together, right? I make a regular mazonas when I start eating it, now even if we, we said, even if you take out an apple in the middle, once I made that mazonas and I start eating, that's, I made my brotha, so even if I take out an apple in the middle, I would not make a separate brotha, we just mentioned, the shame of Hirschfeld's lead to that, if a person eats it, it takes a piece of apple before they make the mazonas before they even start, I like the apple, I pull out a piece of apple, I make a, and I want to eat that first, okay, and then you would make a verb for your eights, even preferably to make eights on something else, but then you would make a mazonas after that, once you start eating it together with the crust, okay, so, so, so, maybe we'll say the same thing over here by the stuffed chicken, so, he says, there's a very interesting, he brings from Epsilon-Zalman, that, no, no, the chicken and the stuffing is different, the meat and the stuffing, chicken, the stuffing is the same thing, it's, it's the, it's the concept over here, but yeah, the, the bottom line is the outside is Shahakul, right, the meat or the chicken, the inside is mazonas, but the Epsilon-Zalman says no, that's two different things, he says, that he brings it down the bottom, oooh, he's 46, that when you have this, when you have the inside of the apple pie, or cherry pie, whatever the case is, but you have, let's take a regular apple pie, apple stool, you have the inside of that, and the outside is very minimum zenas, so that very minimum zenas, pot is the paris, he says why, I'll take out a piece in the middle and I might make, and, and I want to eat a piece of apple in the middle of my apple pie, but You already made him his own us, right? He says that's different. You shouldn't share. (speaking in foreign language) Even if you'll take out in a piece of apple, a two piece of apple in the middle, again, if you do it before you start the whole thing, you have to make it. But we're talking about, I started eating the apple pie and made my miso-ness. Now in the middle, I take out a piece of apple. So the same, you have to let me know. So that's only the vodka, rocket sauce. I might take a piece of apple or two. And that's the whole thing. The main thing is the apple pie. You eat it together, the crust, and the apples, everything. If I pull out a piece of a piece or two during the course of the apple pie, okay. So be it, no breakfast made, okay. So he says, (speaking in foreign language) but he says over here, buy this stuffed chicken and buy this stuffed meat. He says, (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) He says, you're gonna be eating the chicken and the meat even by itself a lot, right? It's not shot by itself. You'll eat it together, but over there, it's not, but when you have stuffed chicken, it's stuffed meat, a person, you know, you ever see, especially, you have like a Cornish hen. It's, you know, you're eating the outside, eating the inside, you'll eat it separately. Some people will just eat the inside. It's not like a pie, it's not like an apple pie. We eat the whole thing together in general, right? When you have stuffed chicken, person's gonna be eating up the whole, basically the, you know, the whole outside and a good chunk of the outside, they're gonna be eating separately. Many people just eat up the stuffing separately and then they'll all start eating the chicken, right? In general, it's not like a pie when you, when you, person takes a fork, a person takes a knife and you cut into the pie, you need the whole pie. Chicken, you can't do that, there's bones and you're pulling it apart and you're eating it, right? Or even the meat, you know? It becomes a different, it's a different type of a, a different type of breed, if you wanna call it. So he says, "So, says you have to let me sound "and buy the meat, buy the stuffed chicken, "buy the stuffed meat, especially by chicken, "even more, because when you're pulling out the bones, "you're gonna be eating the chicken "or whatever the case is separately." Most people are not eating it together when there's bones and the chicken and stuff like that, like a Cornish hen. I'm saying Cornish hen, type of a thing. Okay, but even by meat, oh, hurry, I'm not so familiar with all different type of meats, but it's the same concept. So say, "So, say, "I'm gonna feed you a little more, "or you're gonna live hard, ain't it tough for l'amizanis." Therefore, that, which you're eating separately, I, when you start eating the meat and the chicken, right? So you're eating that separately and you're eating a lot of it because a lot of the chicken, a lot of the meat, you'll be eating separately. So therefore, it's not, ain't I tough for l'amizanis? It does not become a toffle. It does not become secondary, right? You have to pick up a toffle, which we went through many, many times. It does not become secondary or subordinate to the mizanis. By the apple pie, it becomes the apple's become toffle. The apples become toffle to the, they become subordinate to the secondary to the mizanis. That's why you only make a mizanis, even though you might eat one or two in the middle separately. But over here, by the chicken, by the stuff, chicken, stuff, for me, it's not, since you're eating so much of the meat, separately, it says, r'amizanis is not become a toffle. Therefore, you have to make two brajas. So you need a mizanis and you need a shahakul. That's what he's saying. You need a mizanis and you need a shahakul. So how do we do it? How do we work it? I have my piece of stuff, chicken in front of me. What should I do? So it says, we're a partner like this. He says, right, so he says it just to read it. That's, we just explained right now from r'amizanis. On the bottom on those 46, up on top, oh, it's all on page 475, he says, in the English section, explaining the bracha requirements for stuffed meat or stuffed chicken are as follows in conjunction with what we just mentioned. One should first make a barraminimizanis and eat some of the stuffing. Right, first you make a barraminimizanis and eat some of the stuffing separately. Sepulae, pull out a little bit of the stuffing, make a mizanis. And then they should eat, and then they should make a shahakul and eat some of the meat without the stuffing separately. So again, so firstly, we eat the mizanis. First, in general, we try and usually make, usually, most of the time, there are some exceptions, but usually, like in the case of the apple pie, if you're gonna eat first the apple, right? And there are some other times, and Mr. Berbing's on. But in general, we always make a mizanis first and then the shahakul, by the way, in general, when you have two items and you don't have any general preference, usually, you make the other item first and the shahakul comes second. I have eight in shahakul. I have a doma, shahakul. Usually, he hates first the doma first. That's the halakha. The shahakul usually comes last. It's just a more of a general type of a bracha. That's why the shulkinar talks about enrage, your base, which we have to talk about. Kadima, Kadima, and the bracha is what comes first. It's a little bit complicated. Sugimba, we'll try and get to it. As we say, shambis, brach enrage, your base, it's a raciality, racial base. If I remember correctly, raciality, I'm sorry, not racial base, raciality, raciality, raciality. Raciality, based, is more along the lines with a cup of toffal in that area. But be it as a mate, when you have a ha-dhamma shahakul, you have a ha-dhamma shahakul. You will always try and take the shahakul, the hates first or the ha-dhamma first. In a case where there's no preference and the samaic just wants the dafka, the shahakul. I need to drink now. What should I do? Okay, that's a definition. Then you can make the shahakul first. I need to drink right now. I'm thirsty, whatever. Okay, that's a different story. Then the shahakul, then there's no real, the preference is the shahakul, and that's where you are. Okay, but be it as a mate, let's not get off on attention. One, two, three, I have my stuffed chicken, I have my stuffed meat. I take a little bit of the misonos from inside. Make a misonos, that's what he says. Again, once you first make a Birmingham misonos and eat some of the stuffing, and then separately. And then they should take a piece of the meat, the outside meat, and make a shahakul on the meat without the stuffing, separately on the meat itself. And then you are good to go. Thank you for listening. It's welcome.