Have you ever worn a bathing suit and wondered, what's it made of? And is this actually sustainable? Like what happens after I'm done with this bathing suit? Where is it gonna go? Is it just gonna go into a landfill and it's just gonna stay there? What's gonna happen? Well, I asked the same question and I was approached actually just coincidentally by the CEO of Carve Designs, Thayer Sylvester, who want to come on the podcast and talk about just that very thing is how she built a, with some colleagues, how she built a company that made swimwear, but sustainably, and how she continues to strive to make it even more sustainable after people wear it. So we're gonna talk a bit to Thayer about this on this episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. Let's start the show. (upbeat music) Hey everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of How to Protect the Ocean podcast. I'm your host, Andrew Lewin. And this is the podcast where you find out what's happening with the ocean, how you can speak up for the ocean, and what you can do to live for a better ocean by taking action. Now in today's episode, we have Thayer Sylvester, the CEO of Carve Designs. She's here to talk about how she got into not only building a brand, but building a sustainable brand, a fashion brand, in a world where we see so much fast fashion, I want to know how you did it, how somebody can create clothing that is not only fun to wear and cool to wear, and people really enjoy it and feels good, but also that is good for the environment. And what's really interesting about this interview is you're gonna hear Thayer talk about how she didn't set out to just make a sustainable product. She set out to make clothing that are made for athletic women, women with muscle mass, women who are out doing sports, and whether it be surfing like she does, or it could be hockey players, or crossfitters, or weight lifters, or baseball players, or anybody who's in any type of sport where you have to be athletic, and you have to have a higher than what would be, I guess, average muscle mass. But there are a lot more women, and girls and women who have that muscle mass. And so she was looking for, her and her friends were looking for clothing that would actually fit better for them, especially for board shorts for them when they go surfing. So we talked to Thayer about that, and she tells us about that journey, what it was like to sort of go through that first iteration of the design of the board shorts, how she got into swimwear, and then how to make all of that material sustainable, because it was just part of her values. So I thought it was a great story to share, and it was a great interview. So here is Thayer Sylvester, CEO of Carve Design, talking about how she built Carve Designs, not only for women who didn't necessarily have the right type of shorts and materials in swimsuit to wear something that was comfortable and felt good for them, but also a sustainable fashion brand. Enjoy the interview, and I will talk to you after. (upbeat music) Hi Thayer, welcome to the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. Are you ready to talk about sustainable fashion? Hi, Andrew, it's nice to see you. Yeah, I'm really excited to be here today. - Wonderful, wonderful. I'm very excited. This is gonna be a fun episode, because it's not often we get brands who are willing to come in and talk about how they make their clothing, how they built their business around sustainability, but also to make it cool enough for people to wear and to enjoy the fashion, and to enjoy wearing your product. I think that's a big thing to do with fashion these days. People wanna feel comfortable, people wanna make it sure it looks good, and that always doesn't match up with sustainability or it hasn't in the past. So I'm looking forward to diving in there to see how you actually built this company and sourcing sustainable brands and we're sustainable materials and things like that. But before we get into all of that, why don't you just let us know, let the audience know who you are and what you do? - Sure, I am the co-founder and CEO of Carve Designs. Carve Designs is a surf-inspired, women's sustainable swimwear and clothing company. I started it with a really good friend of mine about 20 years ago now, and we're based in Northern California, and I'm really excited to talk about how we make clothing sustainable today. - Nice, that's awesome. You said it's a surf-inspired company. Are you a surfer yourself or you out on the waves and everything, you know, hitting those waves? - I am, I am nowadays. I like to travel to surf to warmer water. Northern California is pretty chilly, but I enjoy it when I can. - Well, that's awesome. So, you know, in that line of surfing and then, you know, there's always that culture, right? There's that culture of being in the ocean. There's that culture of community. There's that culture of, you know, you want to be in a clean ocean. Have, is that where sort of your love for the environments came up? - Yeah, when I was young and doing a lot of surfing, you know, one of the things that was always super sad is when you travel to a place and you would see the way the pollution had changed, the beach or the quality of the water. And certainly that inspires us in our work today to try and do our best to reduce our footprint. - Gotcha, and how young were you when you first started surfing? - Oh, you know, actually, I was a late bloomer. I started surfing in my early 20s. - Okay, okay, right on. So, you know, you were probably either done school or still maybe an early university or early college. Were you always sort of, did you always have that entrepreneurial mind where you were like, I'm gonna start, you know, I'm gonna start a fashion brand? - Well, certainly I always had a entrepreneurial mind. It wasn't necessarily that I was gonna start a fashion brand. When I grew up in a family of entrepreneurs, both my father and stuff dad had started their own businesses. I grew up in Northeastern Ohio and manufacturing family. And, you know, spent a lot of time in my dad's factory learning how his business worked. And I think that that came with me in my 20s and finally in my late 20s, I decided that I wanted to start something. I had been on a surf trip with my girlfriend and we were lamenting the fact that it was difficult to find female board shorts that fit us as athletes. And we decided to take the leap and start our own business. - I think there's more people. I mean, I have two young girls right now. I grew up with boys and we never really heard about, you know, sort of female athletes having trouble finding clothing. You just thought it was clothing. It was clothing made for everybody. But we now know that that's not the case. And I hear that more and more. I'm involved in the CrossFit community. So I hear that a lot more with our female athletes that are gym being like, it's really hard to find clothes to fit just because they're just the legs are more muscular, arms are more muscular. And it's not that petite necessarily style that they have. And so it's nice to see like, you know, even 20 years ago, people were lamenting about it and being like, hey, we need to figure that out. So how do you go from that idea to, you know, making, start making, closing, did it go right into that? Or is it more of a design thing when you first started? Or is it like, because you came from a manufacturing background with your parents and you're like, how does that translate from that idea to manufacturing? You know, we didn't know anything about what we were doing when we started the business to be honest with you. And it just takes a lot of research and a lot of willingness to make phone calls and ask for help at the time. There were factories in San Francisco and we walked into one one day and I sat down with the head of the sewing and said, you know, we want to make this short. Can you help us? And that started our first round of samples that might as well have had three legs because they did not fit. (laughing) So we were getting very scared that we were not going to be able to pull this off. But indeed, you know, from the beginning, we were focused on fit and finding something that would make people feel comfortable. And, you know, then you kind of learn and keep going. - How many iterations did you have to go through for those borders? - That first one. Oh gosh, at least eight or 10. (laughing) - Wow. So you would design them, you know, get the factor to make them and come back and be like, try them on, see if they fit. - Yeah. - Did you have other people try them on as well? Other women try them on? - Indeed, I think that was one of the things that helped us be successful. We used to throw these wine-fitting parties in our apartment so we didn't buy white people over, have a glass of wine. And say at the beginning, you know, in order to be here with your free wine, you need to fill out these forms. And we did that from a very early stage. And the women loved it because then, you know, they were getting sort of insight into how we were incorporating their feedback into our clothing. And it allows for you to have a better product versus just trying it on like one single model who has a perfect body. - When you're also building that community, that's going to be like, hey, I helped make this. I helped, you know, I had my feedback actually mattered in making these shorts or this clothing. I think that's great. Now, you know, you talk about doing this now and you're smiling and everything, but I'm sure it was quite stressful at the time. It takes a lot of investment in time to put into all these things. Did you, did you and your girlfriend, did you guys like work as well, like have part-time jobs or full-time jobs while you did this? - When we first started, we both had part-time jobs. I was doing consulting work back for the firm that I had been working for prior to resigning. - Okay. - And then she had a part-time job at a surf shop and an interior design firm. And I mean, we were just working 24/7. - What's about to say, where'd you find the time? I guess that's the thing about being an entrepreneur. Once you enjoy something and once you know you've got something there, that's when you really start putting in the work and doing the maybe all-nighters at times and going to bed at two in the morning and waking up early for work. That's quite the venture, the journey. So when did carve become carve? Like, you know, you started off with these shorts selling them to women like locally? Is that how it went or was it carve just like, that was the name right off the bat. - The name, it was the name right off the bat. I mean, we spent a bunch of time brainstorming and trying to come up with a name that we thought was gonna resonate with our customers and reflect what our intention was. And we loved the word because it was so dynamic. It can just mean a lot of different things. You know, carving your own path in life, carving a wave, you know. And so from the beginning, we had set off sort of what we wanted the brand to be. But we thought we were going to be selling to surf shops and we thought we'd be selling to surf shops in California. But sort of similar to what you were talking about with the industry, not really understanding the difference between the customers. When we started showing our product to the surf shop owners, they didn't like it. They equated athletic board shorts for women with unfit, older, unattractive women. And there was the stigma against clothes that actually worked for athletes. And so that was our big first roadblock, but we were not deterred and actually got really lucky. And there was a woman who said, you know, what about outdoor stores? Like stores that have people that are going to rivers and lakes and they're not necessarily selling surfboards. But they do have a customer base that's pretty active. And so we started selling into that industry, which was then how we really quickly got into swimwear. - It's really interesting to go back to the surf shops when they, sort of their reaction. What was your reaction towards that? 'Cause I'm assuming that a lot of women who surf have athletic tight bodies. They have to be strong. They have to like, you see the guy surfing they're all, you know, cut and muscular and things like. So I would imagine the women who are dedicating their lives to this or have a passion for it, they must be the same thing. Did you get like female surfers sort of going to your brand even though you weren't surfing, like even though you weren't selling to surf shops? - Oh, absolutely. I mean, and the feedback even early on was, gosh, you know, why isn't anyone else doing this? I, you know, it was definitely disheartening and frustrating the surf industry at the time was run by men who weren't interested in understanding that demographic. And, you know, thankfully that was 20 years ago and things have changed and they continue to do so and there have been some really great surfers out there that have pushed the industry forward and it's a different world than it was then. - Absolutely. I'm sure, you know, you starting it 20 years ago and continuing and your partners continuing to build carve has probably helped, you know, having that supply for athletic women plus, you know, the timing of sort of how things have evolved, you know, culturally in the US and even in Canada, you start to see more and more women demanding this and more and more women getting, I don't know if it's more women getting fitter or just they're maybe because of social media shows it more. It seems like there are more athletic women out there that are, you know, having these clothes and a bit of these clothes. - Well, definitely participation in sports has increased in the last four years across the board, you know, whether it's some type of hit, you know, class or surfing or crossfit and so, you know, it's great 'cause, you know, the population is getting healthier, hopefully. - Yeah, well, I mean, I know here in Ontario where I live, the amount of girls hockey that has grown is insane. Like, there are so many centers that have multiple teams and at different levels and to see that blossom and now we have a professional league, you know, we only have 16s right now, but it's gonna grow if anything after this year, it was sold out every time. - Oh, that's awesome. - So we're starting to see, yeah, we're starting to see more and more young women participate in sports that were before deemed, you know, for, quote unquote men and now it's obviously for everybody and we're starting to see that. - Wow, we've come a long way then. I was a young girl and an all boys hockey team, the only girl. (laughs) - Yeah. - I refused to not play, I had brothers and I wanted to play and it was really fun until I was about 14 and the boys were a lot bigger than me. - Yeah. - It started to get a little bit scarier. (laughs) - Yeah, and even like back then, like when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s, there was a lot more ringette, which was sort of like the girls, the girls hockey, but then it started to, we started to see more girls come into the boys' leagues and then they said, okay, let's put a girls' league together, especially as they got older. Now it's like, if you look in the Southern Ontario region, it's just blocks. - Oh, that's so great. - We have a tournament here every year as it's in Brampton, just south of Toronto or north of Toronto and I think it's the largest in Canada. There's over 700 teams of all girls and from age group U9 all the way to U22. So at every stage. So it's really great. But it's good. So clothes like this obviously matter now more than ever and I think it's great. And now let's get into the sustainability aspect of this because that is another challenge that you've added to not only building a fashion brand that people love and people feel comfortable in, but also doing something good for the environment and ensuring that your clothes are good for the environment. There's a lot of fast fashion sort of items that are out here circulating. It's very difficult to get around. But here you are, you know, not only trying to break the barriers for women's clothing, but also breaking the barriers for sustainability and clothing. Was that the idea from the outset? You know, coming from a surfing background and being environmentally aware? Was that what you guys wanted to, what you both ladies want to do when you first started? - When we first started, what we said is that as we built the business, we wanted to create a culture that was reflective of our own personal values and our own personal values included things like choosing to eat organic food and trying to be healthy so that it wasn't necessarily like we set out to say, okay, we're gonna make sustainable clothing. That wasn't even like a thing back then. But for example, when we first launched our T-shirts, we chose to buy organic cotton T-shirts. And I remember sitting in a meeting with a customer, you know, he said, well, what's the point of doing that? And I sort of looked, I said, well, do you eat organic apples? And do you ask what the point is of doing that? I mean, it's better for the earth to have less pesticides. And so for us, it was just the right choice. It wasn't something that we had set out as a mission, per se, but in the same way that you say, you know, do you give maternity leave to new moms and do you try and achieve work-life balance? And do you pay people fairly? Do you source products responsibly? The answer was always yes. - Yeah, and I think that really is something to think about. Because here as marine biologists, we see, you know, companies come out and more and more often, especially larger companies, they'll start talking about the green things that they do. And a lot of it's like ends up being greenwashing. But if it's part of your company's values from the outset, and yeah, you may talk about it because it's important to you as values, you know, on your website and for your company, but you're just making the clothes just like that anyway, no matter what, because it is part of your values. And just like you said, like eating right and being fit and catering to people who want to be healthy and want to have those outdoor nature lifestyles is just part of your values as well. So I think that's a really good reflection on the company from the outset, just being like, yeah, this is what we want to do and we're just going to do it. You know, we're not pushing it on you, but if you want to buy our clothes 'cause you feel comfortable and you like it, well, yeah, they just end up having to be organic or sustainable in the meantime, which I think is really nice. But how, even like I know now, I've talked to a couple of companies now when they try to, you know, be sustainable, it's difficult to source materials, especially clothing that are not only sustainable, but also in the right range of price so that they're not outpricing themselves from the get-go. How did you go about sourcing everything? Was it a difficult journey to find the right materials for that fit your values? - Very, you know, it's easy to buy conventional goods. Once you get into organic cotton, that's a little bit easy to nowadays, so some of the certifications are suspect. But in swimwear, it was very difficult. It essentially didn't exist. And so my head of production and then I flew to China where we source our materials and we sat down with our mill and we explained what we wanted to do and gave examples in other adjacent categories where we thought that we could get some ideas around sustainability, you know, Patagonia's a leader in that space and they had some synthetic shirts at the time that were not swimsuits, but you know, they're sort of made of similar polymers and it took us about two and a half years to develop the fabric to a place that we felt like, you know, you'd want it next to your skin. I mean, you're talking about swimwear. It needs to be pretty comfortable. (both laughing) - One, you're wearing it for a long time and it's really tight against your skin. So yeah, you want to make sure that it's good. Now, how do you test that out? Is it just more of like lab tests or do you test like after a while, once you get comfortable, you start wearing it yourself and being like, okay, how can they might, if I'm not comfortable, then nobody's going to be comfortable. But, you know, if I'm comfortable, then maybe other people feel comfortable. - Yeah, so we still do those wear tests nowadays. They've gotten a little bit bigger than they used to be, but- - That's what to say. Is it free wine still? - Absolutely. I love it. I love it. That's awesome. And so how does it work with a bigger group? - Well, so we'll send out an email to a local community here in Northern California and say, you know, we're having a fit test or a wear test depending. If you're interested, you know, please send us your information, you know, your sizing, et cetera. And then here's the obligation. And typically then, you know, we'll engage a wide group of people, you know, different body sizes, different age group, different activity levels, and then get their feedback and iterate from there. And so we get to a place that we're happy. - That's amazing. And that's amazing. So in today's world, how do you, and I mean, I guess over the last 20 years, how do you grow a, like, you know, a fashion brand? You know, swimsuit and sort of, you know, sort of that type of clothing brand, like shorts and board shirts and things like that. How is, that's got to be quite the challenge with all the competition that's around. Like, what was your way of growing this to where it is today? - It's hard. There's no doubt about that. And there are a lot of people and competitors out there. I think, you know, you just have to see true to your brand and authentic with your messaging and not worry too much about the competition. You got to feel good about what you're doing and that, you know, you get the message out there, local events, social media marketing, we do, we send out a lot of catalogs to people where we talk about what we're doing. You know, there's a little bit of catch-22 in that. You know, it's not the most eco-friendly thing to be printing on paper, but, you know, you're constantly having to kind of make choices. You know, I think you've talked about that before, just like, well, you've got to buy something new some point in time. So then are you trying to make the best choice that you have possible? And so we just, we try and tell the story and she seems to find us. - I love that, yeah, that's great. I think you hit on a really good point is it's, you're always trying to strive to do better. I think we're always trying to do that. We live in a world that doesn't make it easy to do things for the environment that you want, you know, that have a positive outlook on it or a no factor outlook, like a zero emissions or sort of a zero footprint type of factor. With the clothing brand though, is there a fund, like an R&D fund that looks at how can we incorporate things, you know, up cycle, recycling materials? Is there something that you're always trying to play with or trying to design that makes it even better that, you know, whether it's a business process or clothing itself? Like, is there that like R&D sort of arm in your company that is constantly working towards that? - I think that again, that goes back to sort of the culture of the organization. I'm not sure, I'm sure there are big R&D funds out there, you know, that might be working with larger businesses, but you know, for us, it's just a question of sort of what's the next thing. So five years ago, we set out to say that we wanted at least 90% of the collection to be totally sustainable. And so over the course of the past five years and we slowly looked at each category and said, okay, you know, how do we get there? What happens to the price of the garment? Because like you said, you know, it's not, it's not the cheapest option. And you know, we also want to keep the lights on and pay our bills and stay in business. So we were constantly trying to say, is she going to be able to pay this premium on the garment? Is she interested in making that choice? And how do we make it as affordably as possible? And so, you know, we, I was excited in 2024, we were at 97% sustainable in our collection and the couple pieces that are left we're working on. But now my vision is actually really on figuring out how to recycle the recycled swimwear. So all of our swimwear is made from plastic bottles and the technology has become better recently where you can then recycle that into say turf, pellets for turf fields, right? So that it wouldn't stay as a garment, but that you're down cycling it. And so we're working on that now and you're gonna have to stay tuned with the brand to see where we go from there. - So in other words, if like my daughters bought a bathing suit from, from carved designs, they wear it, they don't want it like, they're done with it after a certain amount of time that when they send it back to your company and then your company works with, you know, another company that would create sort of the pellets that go into into the turf. - Yeah, that's the future state. - That is so exciting. When you figure something out, when you discover something like that or you meet the right people or, you know, you come up with this type of idea or it's presented to you, do you get excited when you're saying like, okay, now we've even like increased that, like we've increased the sustainability that we're able to take our products and hopefully one day say that all of our products are gonna go towards that. Like how do you, what does that, how does that make you feel as a business owner to do that? And as like an environmentalist, as you are, right? Like as a surfer, an environmentalist. - I mean, it keeps me motivated to coming in every day. That's the fun part of it, that there's something new to think about and that you're gonna continue to be able to make a positive impact in what you're doing. - Yeah, yeah, I would imagine. I guess I'm getting butterflies just hearing about that and I just, and there's a lot more turf fields that need those pellets too. So I think it's just growing and growing and growing. I love that aspect. Now within the industry and your colleagues, other businesses, I'm sure that you speak to, is there a growing motivation to, you know, make more clothing, whether they, depending on the brand, more clothing, you know, more sustainable, do you find, do you start to see that shift in the industry, even like maybe boutique brands or even bigger brands that have been in for a while? Are you starting to see that happen? - I think so. You know, I don't have a good way to quantify it, but certainly my qualitative read is that there are more and more brands that are actually genuinely doing more responsible sourcing. And I think that's largely driven by the younger generation is more interested in it. Where, you know, the older generations unfortunately haven't decided to vote with their wallets necessarily, but the younger generation I think is. And, you know, they notice it more. And hopefully that continues. And we stop thinking about it as an either or, but really the only option. - Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it's gonna come to that hopefully sooner than later, but with your companies like yourself to be able to show them how it's done, I think is really great to get to 97%. I think that's a huge number in this stage and in this industry. I think that's great. Now you being a surfer and you having a company that has sustainability, what's important for you from like an ocean protection standpoint? Like what do you think, what would you like to see, you know, maybe places where you've surfed do better in terms of taking care of the ocean? Like what do you see in the ocean a lot of the times that you wouldn't like to not see anymore? - There are two things there for me that I think about. One is obviously continuing to reduce the litter out there and trying to get local populations, local communities to do beach cleanups. You know, I walk at the beach here every day with my dog and, you know, I pick up little pieces of litter every day. That plastic just kills the oceans and it's bad for the fish and everything else. The second thing, and this is something that's a little bit less well known is the role that chemicals play in the destruction of our coral reefs and really having heightening the awareness of swimmers and beachgoers that there are certain chemicals and sunscreens that really should just be avoided at all costs. It's bad for your health and it's really bad for the ocean. - Yeah, that's been a big discovery over the past few years, especially in, I think we see it a lot in Hawaii. I think Hawaii have actually banned those chemicals. Yeah, so that's good to see. It'd be nice to see more of the states and even here in Canada to ban that because it's interesting how we wear these, we're told to wear these sunscreens and things and these chemicals and these lotions and stuff and have so many chemicals in it. And we just, we don't realize it. We're just, okay, here's what we buy. It smells nice, it feels nice, okay. But then it's really not good for you and then we have to change. And so you wish there was a little bit more protection in that for us as well as the environment. So, yeah, so that's great. So do you, when you go out, do you wear sunscreen or are you in a wet suit, like full wet suit now? - Well, it depends. If I'm here in Northern California, I'm wearing a wet suit, but if I'm lucky enough to be somewhere else, I do wear sunscreen, but I wear a mineral based sunscreen that's reef-soaked. - Do I? - Yeah, yeah. It's a little harder to apply. I find it a little stickier to apply. - Pinsed your skin a little bit. - Yes, it does. - A little bit, yeah, yeah. But it works and it's better for the environment. And I just love that. Now, just to kind of finish off here, 'cause it's been a great interview so far, what would you like the next? Like, can you tell us what's coming out for carve in the future? You know, that you're kind of excited about that you're allowed to share? - Well, I mean, like I said, I think the most exciting thing that we're working on is trying to figure out a recycle swimwear. There isn't anyone doing that right now. And I'm excited to have partners to help push that technology forward. But that's really where we need to go is continuing to think about how to reuse our clothing and swimwear. One, no one wants to wear your used swimwear. It's not like your job's in a Murphy shirt. - It's true, it's true. Yeah, swimwear is a little bit more personable. It's like you're not wearing somebody else's underwear after they wanted to take a look at this. - You're not thinking it's a good will. So. - Yeah, true, true. - So right now it's really just all going into the landfill and that is upsetting. And then the second thing, and you know, there's sort of this hidden thing around packaging and clothing and trying to keep clothing clean and feel new from the time it leaves the factory to going to the warehouse, to get into the store, getting to you at home. And we launched postable packaging several years ago. But unfortunately there are a lot of people in areas that don't have access to composting. So we're like then playing around with recycled packaging, but really trying to even just like completely eliminate as much packaging as possible is something we're working on right now as well. - That is amazing. This has been such a fun time to get to know you and get to know your business. I really appreciate you coming on the podcast and sharing all this and being so transparent about what it was like to grow, you know, carved designs from beginning to now. And I'm looking forward to having you back on. I'd love to have you back on to talk more and the journey of recycling those bathing suits into the turf pellets. I think that's a really fun way of talking about the company and what you're trying to do to protect the environment. So thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Really appreciate it. - Oh, it was an absolute pleasure. Thanks for having me. - Thank you there for joining us on the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. It was great to have you on it. I love talking to people who not only make fun brands, you know, fun products and build a great brand. Carve designs is such a great name, by the way. I love it. I love how she's like, you know, carving out your life, carving a wave. I think that's just fantastic. There's one part I think I embarrass myself in terms of like how to talk about surfing and the coolness factor of the culture. I think, you know, I just, I'm just not that kind of guy. I'm just not that cool. But regardless, there is, she's got a lot of, you know, she's got a great vibe to her. It's very much that I get the surfer vibe looking from outside in, you know, understanding how, you know, women's clothes should fit for all different types of sizes. I thought that was really great. Not only that, but make them sustainable because it was part of the company's values. It wasn't just the fact that, hey, we're going to do this because, you know, we're going to say we do this, we're just going to do it because we feel like this is part of a brand. If you eat organic food and take care of yourself from a health perspective, why aren't you taking care of the environment by making sure that your dealing was sustainable clothing? I think that's a great way of living. I think I would like to see more companies do that. But the fact that Carve designs does that, I think is absolutely wonderful. So I'm going to put up, I got a number of links to share with you so that you can go check out their social media site, but also their site. If you're looking to buy the clothing, you can go there. Please support Carve designs. I think it's a great brand. It's a huge brand and it's doing well. I just think that we should be supporting it and buying clothes from that because not only one is sustainable, but also they look like some fun designs. I know my girls will be interested, my wife will be interested in these types of designs. So I think it'll be great. But I'll share some other links, such as, you know, social media links and so forth so you can sort of get a hint of what the brand is and what they like to talk about and what they like to kind of promote. So I think it's great. But anyway, that's it for today's episode. If you are looking for more content like this and you can't always listen to a podcast, I understand. I know I published three days a week. It's difficult to keep up with all these episodes. But you want to know what's happening. You want to still keep an eye on what's happening with the ocean, new stories that come out. You can sign up for the newsletter that we put out. It's called, you just have to go, it's called the Speak Up for Blue newsletter. But you can just go to speakupforblue.com/newsletter to sign up. You just have to put your email in, it's free. I don't worry about, you know, I don't sell anything any of your emails or I don't pass on your emails. I keep it private for myself just for to share ocean information and so forth. So you can check that out, speakupforblue.com/newsletter. And just like the culture and the community of surfers, I am also creating an app to sort of promote the culture and community of the Speak Up for Blue audience and how to protect the ocean audience and the beyond jaws audience. It's all in one app. We're gonna have live Q and A's, we're gonna have hopefully some videos and live streaming down the road. But the idea is it's gonna be free to sign up. There are gonna be some paid sort of services through there. But for the most part, it's gonna be free. You get access to all the different stories that I share, all the podcasts, all the videos, all the TikToks, the short-form, long-form videos. You get everything that's in there, maybe some off the cuff remarks that I have throughout the day that I'm gonna be promoting there. And you get to hear from other people. So I think that's always fun. If you want updates on that, you can go to SpeakUpforblue.com/oceanapp. But that's it for the show today. So thank you again to Thayer Sylvester, a CEO of CARB Designs for coming on the podcast and telling her story and all about CARB Design and Sustainability aspect of it. We wanna thank you for listening and sharing these episodes. If you find that you have a friend or a family or a colleague that are interested listening to a podcast like this, we appreciate you sharing that with us. And with that said, thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of The How To Protect The Ocean Podcast. I'm your host, Andrew Lewin. Have a great day. We'll talk to you next time and happy conservation. (upbeat music) (clicking)
