SCUBA divers quickly become great Ocean Conservationists because they see, first hand, how the Ocean gets degraded over time as they are in the water. Many divers become strong advocates for conserving specific areas in the Ocean where they love to dive. Others start/participate in Citizen Science projects to help Ocean Scientists better understand the Ocean.
In today's episode, I cover all sorts of SCUBA diving stories from the Ocean on how divers can do better in protecting the environment and help out in Conservation.
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Welcome to the speaker for Blue Podcast session 147 What's up everybody it is Monday. I hope you had a great weekend and I hope you're looking forward to this podcast today's podcast is all about Scuba diving and how scuba diving can really play into ocean conservation This one's a really exciting one for me because I know a lot of scuba divers out there on Facebook on all the social media platforms They're very active not only in scuba diving itself But conserving the ocean because they are the ones who see the changes They are the ones who observe all the the the Degradation and all the stuff that goes on so it's really important that they understand what conservation is all about and they understand the issues That go along with scuba diving and ocean conservation. We're gonna talk about them in this episode of speaker for blue podcast. So stay tuned Welcome to the speaker for blue podcast helping you get involved in ocean conservation And now here's your host he still puts his hands in the air because he doesn't care Andrew Lewin Hey everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the speak up for blue podcast your voice for the ocean I am your host Andrew Lewin founder speak up for blue calm marine ecologist and self-proclaimed ocean paner That's right. I am an entrepreneur and everything I do in my business has to do with protecting the ocean or helping you Protect the ocean. That's what we're gonna do today. We're gonna talk about scuba diving today We're gonna talk about how scuba diving integrates into ocean conservation We're gonna go over a story that that was out of 2012 that I recently saw on my Facebook newsfeed Which I normally get a lot of my news from unfortunately But it was kind of an interesting thing. It was it was a kind of I guess a tragic thing that happened Not so tragic, but we're gonna talk about what happened and then what can be done in the in the future and what the ramifications could have been In the industry in the ecotourism industry We're also gonna talk about how scuba divers can really get involved in citizen science projects And then we're gonna talk about what to look for when you're a diver from a scientist's perspective I find that a lot of divers when they when they go scuba diving they look for Big animals and that's all they want to see are big animals And sometimes the little things are the things that are the most important or the things that really get at your curiosity So we're gonna talk all about that. I don't know how long this episode is going to be I'm gonna try and make it 20 to 30 minutes at the max. So let's get started. Okay, so there was a a Story that I found on my Facebook feed like I mentioned it was a story that came from for scuba divers calm It was published in October October 2nd 2015. So last year It was about a diver who got bitten by a tiger shark He was diving in South Africa and He was diving with a group of 10 people Now these 10 people flew in from all over the world the instructor or the person the dive master was taking them down To this area was from the Netherlands and very experienced diving instructor So he brought down 10 divers to go diving now This is more of an extreme type of dive where they would dive with sharks without cages, right? A lot of people you'll see especially in South Africa when you see the great light great great white shark dives You see them diving cages for a reason right? There's a very big danger Of being of being bitten because these great white sharks are normally going after large animals such as seals and so forth Sea turtles, so they will tend to bite larger items even just out of curiosity So for safety purposes you keep them you stay in a cage and you get to still observe these sharks This dive was different in that they didn't they weren't in a case. They weren't necessarily diving for great whites But they're in South Africa. You never know What's gonna happen? What they're gonna see anyway, they they decided to put chum in the water to attract the fit to attract the sharks so there was a bait almost like a A bait ball in a in a in a cage Then a small cage that they couldn't actually access the bait they couldn't the sharks couldn't actually eat the bait They could only get the smell out of it and every time they chomped on the more of the smell came out so it's basically fish guts and blood and So this attracted a little put the bait in attracted a lot of sharks a lot of different sharks look like there's some some Reef sharks and white tips. Maybe I don't know sharks in this area So I shouldn't even be naming them, but there were tiger sharks But they're lots like when you look at there's a video that will post on speaker for blue dot com forward slash session 147 and we will and it will show you what what actually happened It was an it was on animal planet, which I'm not a huge fan of animal planet Just because they have a they had a documentary on how mermaids were real which was a fake documentary But this is this is where you can actually see what actually happened So anyway, so the divers went down they went down with a cameraman the cameraman explained what happened the the the dive instructor said For safety purposes stay in a group Stay close act like a school of fish stay in a group and stay vertical The sharks are known are are known to have credit pray that are always horizontal if you stay vertical You look larger you'd they kind of it kind of confuses them if you stay in a school just like a school of fish It kind of protects you it like by numbers. So that's what they did for the most part. They went down They were observing the shark sharks were all over them. They weren't coming through the school like the the school quote-unquote school and They weren't coming through the divers and everything was fine Then all of a sudden a diver breaks away from the group whether he meant to or not is a different story, but he did broke away from the group and a target target shark came by King kind of from behind for you see from the video and Chomp down on his thigh now you the diver kind of pushed him off and right away the shark let go Okay, so he didn't want to kind of go up and go after him the I didn't watch the entire video, but I'll let you watch the entire video But I didn't watch the entire video because I just I already kind of made my point of what I want to talk about when I watch the video but the big concern was getting the diver to the top because now he was Streaming blood from his thigh right because obviously the tiger shark kind of went went through His he didn't even have any kind of shark arm or anything like that like sometimes divers will have like these chain this chain suit But didn't you have anything like that got bitten is now, you know Letting out blood into the water with a bunch of sharks who are waiting for food and are probably a little pissed that they can't get food Even though they're attracted to it in that area and there's obviously there's a lot of competition because there are other sharks there so they're gonna get maybe a little more aggressive if you think about it and what they try and do so the Diver gets bitten goes to the surface and so for and he ended up surviving, but he was lucky now This was a case of a scuba diver breaking protocol right breaking the fact that he was not in a group and he went off on his own sharks and other predators will actually Look in a school of fish and we'll see if they can separate somebody from the group any kind of predator will do that Orcas do it Sharks do it swordfish do it all the bill fish do it all the major predators will actually do that because that's how they get The schools as they break down the schools because it's hard and difficult to catch a lot of fish But it's easier to catch one on its lonesome a lot of fish in a group So that's what happened in this in this scenario now, of course, we're lucky the shark didn't actually want to bite down even further Because the divers wouldn't have been able to do much and that could have started a whole feeding frenzy and then endangered the entire group My point of this story is that one. This is an ecotourism industry There's now there's a big ecotourism industry on diving with sharks whether you're in a cage or not without Bahamas has a huge tiger shark diving industry ecotourism industry where you dive down There's there's bait and all of a sudden these large tiger sharks come around and you can die with them And that's great people want to do that That's fine What I do it probably not just because it's not too comfortable with that kind of scenario however the divers that want to have been doing it for years and go ahead and do that I think it's I think it's fantastic however, and I've warned about this before in some of my other videos is Once something happens once the diver gets bitten That could shut down the entire ecotourism industry for diving with sharks because usually the knee jerk reaction for diving with sharks and a shark biting is Let's kill the shark you see it happen in Australia all the time you see it happen in the States all the time If a large shark will bite a person And that person is severely injured people will go after and kill that shark now of course It's impossible to find the same shark and kill it so they kill all the sharks that look similar to it in Australia recently I think it was last year last two years there've been there was a huge shark hunt to Kill all the big sharks in Australia because there were a lot more than usual Which was like three to four people who were bitten by large sharks now? They didn't care that the large sharks were around areas where they feed or that there are migrant there's a big migratory There was a big migration during that time and people probably should have been in the water in the first place But that's what happens. It's the knee jerk reaction We're gonna kill all these large sharks because it's the large sharks that are biting the humans Right, so we're just gonna kill all of them at or as many as we can and that's what the Australian government did So imagine if this shark got killed this guy would the same thing happen there or it would happen if the Bahamas the same thing happens there You know shark bites a scuba diver who's in the industry and then all of a sudden they go out and they kill all the sharks But the whole point of the ecotourism industry in the general is just to observe nature Right observe the sharks in their natural habitat without hurting them without doing anything to them and then all of a sudden this happens what if that would happen and I wonder if governments now have Policies in place so that if there is some sort of action or there is some sort of event where shark bites a human during an ecotourism event like this Do they have policies in place where they say no? We're not going after and killing sharks because there's still an ecotourism industry out there. I Don't know if that I don't know if those policies are in place. I don't know if they will be in place I don't think they ever will be but if they are do we like how do we do that? so It's just it's just an interesting concept right as it's pissing off because Shark diving is awesome, but one mistake can ruin the entire industry You know depending on who's in government in the knee jerk reaction What if it's an election year and people are afraid of sharks all of a sudden, you know Maybe there's a reinvention of jaws or a new movie of jaws and all of a sudden people are afraid of sharks again And then somebody gets bitten that becomes news and all of a sudden the government's like we got to do something about it We're not getting voting it. We're not getting voted in and so we're gonna just kill all the big sharks Is that is that what's gonna happen from now on? I don't know right so you have to be very careful in these ecotourism areas The divers especially divers and it's not necessarily the instructor's fault It's the person who is diving not to go off in a group. Make sure you stay with your buddy. Make sure you stay in the group as It's scuba diving myself. I don't get to go as much as possible, but I always look for my buddy I always look for the group that I'm within and we stick together I don't go shark diving, but we stick together just because it's safety right you want to make sure you know where everybody is I want to make sure I know where my dive master is because that's usually the person who knows the area the most and I Want to make sure I know where my dive buddy is which is usually my wife not one to take care of each other But to just to know where the rest of the group is Right, so it's very important that just in case an emergency happens whether it's some sort of animal Event or if it's something, you know, you run out of breath or there's something kind of emergency with your equipment or something like that You need to stay in a group so that everybody knows where you are Right because it's easy to wander off as a scuba diver Everybody knows it's easy to wander off and lose where your boat is or lose where your group is you got to pay attention to what's happening Around you, so I just wanted to like kind of share that story was from 2012 or 2000 the story was from 2015 I thought it was from 2012 in general in in at the beginning But it looks like it was from 2012 or or 15. That's when this video aired And I don't know if if that's going to Back if if it was really from 2012, but anyway, we'll we'll post the video and we'll post the article just so that you know Where it was so but it looked like it was from 2015 so so not just in October So it's still fairly recent and still happens and I think I don't think it should I think people should be very careful when they when they died with sharks Because it can be a little bit of a problem Anyway, let's move on to the citizen science of scuba divers because this is more of a positive note Scooped divers are awesome like I said before because they love the ocean They see the ocean all the time and especially divers who have who have gone diving for more than five 10 15 20 30 years They see how much the ocean has changed while they've been diving especially if they dive in the same spot You know, they get very avid you've got divers like Roy Mulder who I interviewed a couple of a couple of weeks ago and Roy was talking about how, you know, his divers and his diver group have now protected over 30 areas along BC Because they have sponge reefs and they're very protective of those areas especially and also with wolf eels and Rockfish, so they're working with the government to get these protected and they've gotten to the government They got to make them like a monument or you know or sanctuary That is what divers do they get they get together you've got guys like Michael bear and and Barbara Lloyd who I've have started citizen science groups to monitor seven-gill sharks in the San Diego area because People started spotting them there were forums on scuba divers who get together in that area and look at what they see and All of a sudden these sightings kept popping up next you know It's somebody organized the citizen science project and now there's an app and everything and they control and they work with local researchers And it's a great way for monitoring So you get these divers who really care about the ocean because they've been diving for so long and they start to they start to get Over the big hump of wow This is a made well to everything and this is amazing to focusing in on a specific aspect or whether they're monitoring or they're just looking for things because When you first dive you look around your first dive you look around you like this is amazing I see so many things but you can't focus in on little things, right? But as you dive more and more and more and log more dives you can get you can you know Start to focus in on something you really like whether it's a specific coral reef habitat whether it's a seven-gill shark You know whether it's a sea turtle area that you want to you want to see a new sea turtle or anything like that a whale shark a manta Ray all these different things you can focus in on specific species or Specific part of the habitat in your area Where you dive on constantly and you can you know you continually monitor that? You can now you can join citizen science projects that actually help you monitor that and help you keep track and then work with the research the research local research group to Further their research and help them do research and all of a sudden boom you went from diver to citizen science and diver Of course, but that's the beauty of it And then what happens is you get more involved because like now you have a job to do And it's a lot of fun. So now you know the work that you're doing the monitoring that you're doing goes to Something else bigger than you bigger than just one dive or a hundred dives It goes towards a project that could you know end up? putting protections on a specific species or a Habitat or it just brings out like you know It could be a published paper that the researchers put out and mention your name or mention your group that you're with You know, it's just wonderful things can happen from that from all that hard work and all that diving You can almost get the best bang for your buck because you go out and you pay for your air you pay for your equipment If you start monitoring or you start diving a lot of people get They start getting camera equipment and video equipment and that's expensive And it's kind of nice to know that all the stuff that you're doing down there the videotaping the pictures can really do a Great thing for you. All right. So I want to talk today just about some of the Types of citizen pro citizen science programs that are out there. Of course. I mentioned Michael bear in his seven-gill shark Project now. We did a special a shark week video interview with him last years during shark week So you can look that up We'll put the the link in the in the show notes at speaker for blue dot com forward slash session 147 all one word and you can check out that interview as well where he talks all about his project and how it started And now how it continues to be getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger now He's director of the citizen science programs, you know for this group and it's just a wonderful thing that he's doing He's not only just doing citizen science for Looking over the citizen science project for the seven-gill seven-gill shark project But looking over citizen science for a group that's monitoring all sharks, which is awesome, right? It's great. It's fantastic So you got that project that's going on. You also have the one that we interviewed our last interview last week was with Steven done dr. Stephen Dunbar and a Dustin bound bomb batch who talked about a citizen science project in Honduras for monitoring sea turtle behavior Specifically hawks bill and green sea turtles in their area For feeding ecology so you can actually go down there and monitor the monitor the sea turtle So if you're in Honduras and you're diving and you see sea turtles you can actually go and monitor it But now this app is not just about monitoring sea turtles in Honduras It's about monitoring monitoring sea turtles everywhere So if you're a citizen scientist and you're on the beach and you come across a sea turtle nest You can actually log it in this sea turtle app. You can it's called turt. It's not out yet But once it's out, I will advertise for it. I promise But also that you know if you're diving you see a sea turtle you log the dive and you log where you found it You can go on the sea turtle app and you can say boom perfect I found another one and you can log that that log will go towards this project of where sea turtles have been found And then if you take pictures of it, you can upload the pictures And eventually what they're hoping to become is actually find a way to Apparently the scale the the scales on this on I believe on the head of the turtle Has have unique identifiers on them or that the patterns are unique so you can actually Come up with individual that people have been monitoring all over the world and sea turtles are known to travel quite a distance So if they do travel quite a distance say from in the Pacific say from California to Japan Some of Japan may log a sighting of a specific individual individual sea turtle And then someone in in California, you know few months later might monitor the same one and see it and it pops up And they can actually and then so researchers can actually see that this individual traveled this far So it's an amazing thing to see all from pictures and video of how they monitored how they look for individual patterns on the scales on their head That's just amazing to find out that and it's going to help monitoring sea turtles forever Because right now you satellite tags or they use small tags on receivers acoustic tags that are very expensive and very difficult to monitor It takes a lot of person power to actually go out and do that So with this citizen science project was whether you have scuba divers looking all over the time all over the place If you get the right picture and the right place you can actually help identify the patterns and and trends of where Sea turtles occur around the world. I mean, that's just an amazing Project so you can check out that that's speak up for blue dot com forward slash session at 145 and the show notes will have the link to that as well And there are also whale shark projects there are so there's reef check reef check is a huge project a citizen size project where Pete it's a little more involved where people can go and do courses and they can learn about how to Identify coral reefs and then they can once they get certified they can go out and they can actually monitor coral reefs wherever they dive And I think that's just a wonderful thing because so many people dive on coral reefs if you do a transact then you can actually go out and do this transact and and monitor these You know monitor this coral reef and then maybe take pictures and video now and then send them to reef check So that they can analyze them so that researchers can analyze them. So there's so many different citizen science projects out there There's shark savers that have a citizen science project that monitor sharks all around the world now It's it's wonderful because there's about 30 some odd citizen science projects for the ocean that pop up that have popped up And there's going to be more the one thing I'd like to see is a streamlining of those citizen science projects So divers don't get confused and don't think they're doing the wrong citizen science project so what we're going to try and do over the next couple weeks is we're going to try and put a database together that has a number of The different citizens ocean citizen science projects and that's what we're going to do so that you guys can find them And if you find more and you know of some, please put them in the comments on the on the show notes speak up a blue Dot com forward slash session 147 and then we'll we'll kind of compile those and put them in a database and link them to those show notes So that's all I want to say on citizens citizen science projects If you want to get involved actually before we go if you want to get involved Contact there should be a contact on each citizen science project that you can do obviously Stephen bun Dunbar and Stephen Dunbar and Dustin bomb back are one of those are two of those contacts for the sea turtle app But there's also Michael bear And there's tons of other people that we can that you can get ahold of if you just kind of search on them So, you know keep an eye out for those you get involved those you talk with the with the researchers You see what they're up to and see how you can get involved and how it all works Make sure you follow the qualifications so that your data counts reef check has a pretty big qualification to get it involved So you want to make sure now we did cover citizen science projects on this podcast a few weeks ago So I'll link to that in the show notes so that you can get ahold of that. Okay, so let's go on to our final I guess segment of scuba diving of this podcast episode It's really scuba diving and what to look for when diving and this is something I found was pretty interesting I mentioned earlier in the episode how when you first start diving in the ocean There's so many things going on that you especially for your diving It's your first dive everything's new and you just want to make sure that you enjoy the dive your air is fine You know, this is probably you're getting certified for your beginner scuba diving or you're doing like some intro diving Or you're just going to six feet and you're just kind of sitting on the bottom and looking around And you're kind of the instructors very paying very Close attention to you because you haven't gone diving before but you're in the ocean and a lot of people are all over in different oceans and You know, you you look around and everything is you're in awe of everything and everything's like a dream come true And as you do more and more dives, you know, you want to see different things It's kind of like I kind of make an analogy to to birding, you know, where birders They want to they have the little black book or a little book and they write down all the birds that they've seen And it's a big thing for them if they see a bird a rare bird in the area and they see it They write down because they're all happy they get together at groups and they geek out and they and they compare what they've seen what they haven't seen Where can you see this type of bird working? You see that type of bird and things like that the same thing with divers you find that they get to see a lot of things And you know, you want to see okay? I want to see this type of seal. I want to see a man array I want to see a whale shark I want to see maybe dive with a great white shark and a cage or dive with an ocean white tip And then you have kind of like a little bit of not necessarily a booklet But you're kind of like this is cool. You log you're supposed to log your dives to make sure, you know You know how many dies you've gone on And then you write down all your depths and everything But you write down you can write down all the cool things that you've seen and you can kind of keep track And kind of like a bucket list of what you want to see so you can do that all throughout your time But what happens is when you start to run out of those things I Find is it, you know as a scientist in a diver. I don't look for the big animals I mean I've seen some pretty cool things. I've seen some nurse sharks. I've seen some barracuda's I've seen Well, so you see I've seen some more eels and things like that It's been kind of a cool experience to see those bigger animals some sharks and so forth Puffer fish, which has been fantastic. I've seen cuddle fish, which is awesome But then what I like to see is I like to see the little things happen So for instance, there was one dive I did in Jamaica Wonderful dive. It was probably the best reefs. I've seen it was a long port Antonio the northeast side of Jamaica In a sort of a bit of a town We were staying in a cat in a cottage kind of thing on in a lagoon and it was just wonderful We went for a dive and it was a bit of like a trail There was rock faces on each side and coral reefs going all the way up and we were about 70 feet down in this rock face In the between these two rocks large rocks It was like a path almost and it kept going we went down to 70 feet and then slowly started to rise through this this sort of Canyon I guess we're valley and In that time as we were rising there was one point where the rocks kind of Come into the path and you and you just kind of come up And there's reefs all the way up and there is this big sponge long narrow sponge With an opening on the top and as I came up across I kind of came upside down over this sponge And there was this little Crab shrimp type thing that was there was a banded crab or bandage shrimp And you look and it almost has like two pincers and looks like a crab And you look down and you look and you see and I've seen these animals in aquariums It's all water aquariums, but I've never seen them in the ocean and you just see it It's looking up at me and I'm looking down at him in this in this sponge where it's taken refuge Bit of a hideaway very difficult to like put your hand in or you know if you're a fish put your mouth in and try and grab But he's sitting there with his pincers. He's looking at him and he's like, you know He's like I'm ready for he's ready to take me on obviously I'm not there the harm to harm them But I just as I came up and I floated kind of upside down and seeing it just everything was just perfect at that point You know everything around me was awesome. There was just this little guy This little shrimp who was trying to hide in this big in this big sponge and big narrow sponge And it was just wonderful See it was a purple sponge with and it's a it was a white and maroon bandage shrimp And you just like this is so cool Just the little these little things that you see when you take a look So I don't have I didn't have to see a big animal I just had to see these little things going on Also, like you see if you really look and you kind of go towards the reef and you look in the reef You can see fish hiding Very narrow like tangs blue tangs. I've done a lot of Caribbean diving So I see a lot of the Atlantic blue tangs that are kind of hiding in the crevices because they're so narrow that they can actually fit In the crevices or they're feeding off some algae and a crevice you see some you know butterfly fish and so forth and You just see some wonderful things a lot of invertebrates a lot of hermit crabs and a lot of snails that you see going around And they're just living there and you really get to narrow in on the small things that are happening in on the reef that the ones that I've gone diving on and that's what I find Fascinating, you know, I find that one of those things where you like this is just awesome because this is life in the in the reef Or this is life in the ocean where it's not just these big animals that go around It's these small animals that actually make everything function You know if it wasn't for those small snails and hermit crabs that ate all the feces and everything of these reefs There'd be a lot of ammonia nitrates in those areas, right? So they clean they're like known as cleaners of the reef and it's just fasting to see them and I've learned them over my years Being a marine biologist and just being you know in the saltwater aquarium hobby and it's just wonderful to see like wow This is amazing like this is a pretty cool thing that I've seen so Some to look out for when you're diving look and be observant, you know, take your time Be observant of what's happening in the reef focusing on a different scale look at a coral look how it moves in the water You know look at try and find the individual polyps of that without touching it Just looking at it try and find the individual polyps These are corals. These are animals not Plants as most people think even divers think that so when you look at these animals you look at the way they move with the currents Look at the way they feed you look at each individual polyp that make up this big coral You kind of just sit there like this is awesome. I can spend on my whole day here You know and you often do spend the whole dive there instead of looking for sharks or looking for other animals That's fine If you want to look for that and you haven't seen them That's fine There's no doubt about that I like to see that kind of stuff But take some time every once in a while and just take a look at a reef Even if it's a small one or even if it's not very in very good shape or sometimes you go diving It's not in great shape. There's not a great shape And you kind of get disappointed because we're not a lot of big animals on it But if you go look you can see how they're living You know how these corals are living and how these habitats are living if you see like seagrasses part to seagrasses a little bit See what you see in there You know, I think it's it's a very cool feature to see so Look out by a whole point of this is just take your time be observant and again be patient and just watch and Be a scientist look at what the ecology that's going on look how animals interact with the habitat and look out of the habitat Just interacts with the water quality and everything like that Just just take a time to look at that look at where fish are how they're hiding where they're hiding how they're actually built You know how their form and function work To make this ecology make make them survive You know, I think it's just it's a fascinating thing and I think as divers we get a special view of it So yeah, that's my whole point of of that segment is just take time look around and enjoy your dive and And that's the end of the segment and that's the end of this today's show. I hope you enjoyed it I love scuba diving and I'm just about I'm preparing to go on a trip to Cuba and I'm so happy to go down there because I heard the diving is spectacular down there And I'm looking forward to going and diving on some in some warm water and on a reef And I think it's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm hoping I've got a GoPro that's not working right now And I'm hoping to get that fixed And if it does get fixed then we'll be all good and I'll share that video with you It'll be very amateur video because I am not a great videographer But I think it'd be cool just to see what these reefs look like from an amateur's point of view so Or an amateur cameraman anyway And I think I'm gonna try and focus in on those little things and if the camera works We'll see how well it works But if the camera works then it'll be kind of a cool thing to show So thank you very much for listening all the show notes that I've mentioned and all the links that I've mentioned in this podcast We'll be on the show notes. It's speak up for blue.com forward slash session 147 now I have to tell you that session 146 the ocean talk Friday that was supposed to go up last Friday didn't go up We recorded it on blab and I talked to some people on blab What happens is I record it on blab? I get an email usually right after about 15 minutes after the recording is done or after we've hung up on blab Blab is a live streaming platform where we you know, we can chat with other people on there And Nathan and I usually go on we actually had dust and bomb back on to chat about it So it was a really special episode. Unfortunately, I haven't received the recording yet Apparently there's a bug that they're working on So as soon as I get the recording, I will put that up for an ocean talk Friday So right now 146 is kind of a lost episode But I will put it up It'll be up on the blog and it will be up on the podcast as soon as I can get that recording and put it up there for you So right now this is 147 It's a monday and I hope you enjoyed this episode and I like I said, I'll put 146 up when I can get there But thank you very much for listening you've been listening to speak up for blue podcast. I hope you enjoyed it I am your host Andrew luan happy monday. I hope you have a great week. We'll see you on wednesday where we're going to talk about It's I call it the ocean cleanup podcast So we're going to talk about that all about plastic pollution marine debris and the different projects that are going to go up Uh, we're going to talk about the problem of marine debris and plastic pollution But all these there's a couple different projects that have been proposed are some good things and bad things And I think people are putting a lot of emphasis on how good this could be and they just small solutions Into the whole plastic pollution problem So We're going to talk all about that on wednesday, but right now you're listening to speak up the blue podcast I rehost angel luan. Thank you very much for listening. We'll see you on wednesday and happy conservation [Music]
