[thunder rumbling] Tell us, Mr. Wayne. [screaming] What do you fear? [thunder rumbling] Daddy, you know my name. The world is too small for someone like Bruce Wayne to disappear. [music playing] Your parents' death was not your fault. My parents deserve justice. I cannot let that pass. If you make yourself more than just a man, then you become something else entirely. Won't you? A legend, Mr. Wayne. [music playing] Marshal, Wayne, do you call me back for loans? As long as it takes to show the people of Gotham, their city doesn't belong to the criminals in the corrupt. [music playing] Bruce? Are you sure? You've gone a long time. I know. Things are worse than ever down here. What chance does Gotham have when the good people do nothing? [music playing] No mixed, reliable suit for advanced infantry. Do you have a law utility harness? Gas-powered magnetic grapple gun. What's that? You want the tumbler? Or you wouldn't be interested in that. [music playing] There's been a lot of time being scared for you. I heard he looked back. But the man I loved. The man who vanished never came back. [music playing] He's here. Who? The Batman. [music playing] [music playing] Not that much to be just too violent. Gotham isn't beyond saving. [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] Guy dresses up like a back, clearly as ish. [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] Where do we begin? A year ago, these cops and lawyers wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened? [music playing] [music playing] So what are you proposing? It's simple. Kill the Batman. [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] Here's my card. [music playing] Bruce, this is Harvey Dent. Rachel's told me everything about you. Surely I'm not. [music playing] You almost told me we're with me together. Did you mean it? Bruce, don't make me your only hope for a normal life. You're Alfred, right? That's Rachel. Any psychotic ex-boyfriends I should be aware of? Oh, you have no idea. [music playing] Good evening, ladies and gentle men. [music playing] We're at tonight's entertainment. [music playing] Well, hello, beautiful. [music playing] You're looking nervous. [music playing] I've seen how it would have to become to stop men like him. [music playing] The night as dark as just before the dawn, and I promise you, the dawn is coming. [music playing] And here we go. [music playing] [music playing] Come on. [music playing] [music playing] This city deserves a better class of criminal. [music playing] I'm going to give it to her. [music playing] No! [laughing] You'll see. I'll show you. [music playing] [music playing] You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] Will you be wanting the back putcher? A little of the day Alfred. Not very subtle. [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] Much more subtle. [music playing] [cheering] [music playing] [cheering] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] You are as precious to me as you work to your own mother and father. I swore to them that I would protect you and I haven't. [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] The mayor's in the dummy in the spring. Really? Oh. But he's a hero. A war hero. This is peacetime. [music playing] You think this can last? It's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] You and your friends better batten down the hatches. [music playing] Because what it is, you're all going to wonder how you ever thought. You can live so large and leave so little for the rest of us. [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] Who is that me? [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] [music playing] (dramatic music) - When Gotham has ashes, you have my permission to die. (dramatic music) (dramatic music) (indistinct chatter) (dramatic music) - Welcome to Barrel Age Flix. - This is Ron. - I have been traumatized. - And in the show we have. - In the show. - I hate Ron. - Also in the show. - This is Ragnar. - I'm so confused right now. - And finally. - Hey, this is Goot. - I am Goot. - Swear to me. - Where is she? - Fuck you, bitch. - No. - What the? - You said swear to you. - Yeah, welcome to Barrel Age Flix because you're swearing to me. - Welcome to BAF, everybody. - Just giving you what you wanted. - We are off the rooftop. - In the next of our Legacy episode, we did the Coronado Flavors. We did the Expendables Trilogy and now we are doing the Dark Knight Trilogy, hosted by Goot today. So this is gonna be a fun episode and I'm gonna hand it off to Goot unless you wanna do the details first. It's up to you. I wanna do the drink first. - Oh, do the details first? - Okay, cool. So the Dark Knight Trilogy, Batman Begins, released June 15th, 2005. The Dark Knight released July 18th, 2008. I remember when that came out. We actually saw them in the theater together. Directed and also the Dark Knight rises July 17th, 2012, all directed by Christopher Nolan. Other movies he's done, we've done one of them so far. We got Insomnia, we got The Prestige, we got Memento, we got Tenant, we got Inner Stellar, Oppenheimer, Dunkirk, Inception and the following. Have you ever seen that one? I've never seen that one. It's the only Christopher Nolan film I haven't seen. Batman Begins made 373 million. Dark Knight made 1.6 billion. Dark Knight rises made 1.8 billion, so 2.5 billion in change for the whole trilogy altogether. So this trilogy was a money maker right here. The Rotten Tomatoes score for these three movies, we got Batman Begins with an 85 on critical score, a 94 on user score. And then for the Dark Knight equal, 94, 94 for both critical and user score. And then Dark Knight rises a little bit lower here, we got the critical score is 87, but for the user score it went to 90. The cast of this film. We'll never know. The cast of some people who did some things. The cast in the whole trilogy. Some people died, something that didn't. The cast in this whole trilogy, a lot of big hitters here, we got Christian Bale, we got Morgan Freeman, we got Gary Oldman, we got Michael Kane, Katie Holmes, Liam Neeson, Tom Wilkinson, Rookert Haar, Ken Watobi, Heath Ledger, Aaron Eckhart, Killian, what did I say wrong? Continue. Oh, I want to know what I said wrong. I said, take it, yes. Was it Rutger? Okay, there you go. We got Heath Ledger, we got Aaron Eckhart, we got Killian Murphy, we got Maggie Gyllenhaal, we got Matthew Modine, we got Anthony Michael Hall, we got Michael J. White and Hathaway, Marianne Kletelard, Juno Temple, Joseph Gordon-Levitt. You say Katie Holmes? Yeah, I say Katie Holmes again, yeah. She was the, until she got replaced, which I don't understand why she got replaced, I hope you have that. Oh, I do. Okay, good, 'cause I'm curious about that myself. You know what you should do? 'Cause she's a whore. Tom Cruise was jumping on the couch for her, so. You know what you should do? What's up? Is have AI just pronounce all the names? They were there, you don't fuck it up. I have his voice and AI, just do it that way. There we go, see. Oh, when you do it that way, that's fine. Trying to help you out, man. Yeah, I, you have my, I look like you're just picked up. Are you doing right? (laughing) How do you get my voice on, oh, you know what? You already know the story. Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna talk about that. I had to get that with that motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, no thanks. But seriously, this is the Dark Knight Trilogy, so I'm gonna hand it off to Goot. He's got the drink for us today, so what are we drinking? Ooh, so tonight, gentlemen, we have, I brought two different drinks. One, Licker, Smoke Wagon by Nevada HBC Distillery, Small Batch Straight, I mean, in Las Vegas. And, I don't know, enjoy. Now, what is the particular reason that you picked this drink? Oh, this is a shout out to my boy, a Killian Murphy for Scarecrow. Smoke Wagon, I figured Smoke and all the different, like, Smoke Toxin. Yeah. It's Ferritoxin, he uses that, so I was like, this is a good homage to it, Smoke. Here we go. Okay. All right. All right. Gross, gentlemen. Let's go. Cheers. That's a body to it. It's a lot of spice there. Yeah, as soon as it touches your lips. Trying to, that's a shocker right there. I'm trying to see that. I was not expecting that. Oh, God. They're all starting to see no worse. You're just-- You're just pumping into the mic, dude. Trying to see what the notes of flavor are, though. Vanilla. I have it down right here. I want to see if you're right. Yeah, I guess vanilla. I mean, a little bit of-- So, on the website, they have a balanced oak nose with hints of fruit and dried apricots. So, that's nowhere near vanilla. So, more of a fruit. I don't really taste apricot or-- So, that's the nose of it. The taste is the sweet notes in the front of the tongue well-balanced mouth feel with spicy notes, including white pepper on the middle and back of the tongue from the younger vintage and high rye mash bill. Oh, yeah. It's a good balance of sweet and oak flavors, including hints of caramel from four-- That's what it is. Chard barrels, caramelized and wood sugar, fruit flavor, and rye spice. Finishes smooth with no alcohol burn, even at 100 proof. Do you say wood sugar? That's 100 proof. Yeah. Jesus Christ, I did not think that was 100 proof. Fucking dangerous. You said this is wood sugar. What is wood sugar? It's caramelized wood sugar. I've never heard of that. OK. The caramel, I can see. The sweetness of the caramel-- Sweetness of the caramel. I mean, I'm assuming it's the same-- Wood sugar would be-- She's deactivated right now. She's grossed it. Yeah. I've learned my lesson. So, this is the type of same thing that would make the sweetness in syrup and maple syrup and stuff. Yeah, that would become the sugar from the wood. Yeah. So, the back of the bottle, it says, our high rye content bourbon is aged in the heart of century old brick warehouses. Barrels are hand selected to create a perfect blend that is smooth, delicate, and at the same time bold and intense. This unique complexity is achieved by combining multiple vintresses of the same mash bill. Nice. It's a beautiful bottle. It is. Fucking bottle is cool as shit. Kind of reminds me of the Don Harencio, the shape of the bottle that we have, the tequila that we have. Thank you. Oh, I know. You hated that. That's a lot of fucking-- Oh, he actually enjoyed that one. That's fine. That's a lot better than the fucking tequila. Yeah. Well, because it didn't taste like tequila. Unyow. But a lot of people disagree. I've gotten a lot of comments about that tequila singing. I don't care what they say. They're wrong. Thanks for listening. My mother's commenting on your brother. That's his only fucking comment. A lot of comments-- And my brother. [LAUGHTER] No, no. A lot of other people said that tequila-- that tequila, that the taste that you guys-- A lot of other name five. Tastes like you guys. I don't know the name. Just name five. Comment it on the Instagram. I don't know the-- Go on Instagram and check. Take a look. Let's take him on. You guys suck it. We've got to check your honesty. Let's see what your definition of a lot is. What movie was that? Grindhouse. We did that for Grindhouse. You even said you loved it. You gave it a two. But we're not talking about the tequila. We're talking about this. I'm trying to flush back to that movie, as well as thinking. They stew and Ragnar hated it because they said it did not taste like tequila. But this right here, I could see the caramel. The wood sugar, though, like I said, I can understand what you're saying about maple from trees and stuff like that. I don't know, I'd probably get it like-- I give it a two. It's not bad. It definitely has a spice in the beginning of it, like you guys said. I can give it a two and say it's not bad. It's OK. You can still give something a two and say something bad. I'm curious about that. You've done that before, too, where you said it's not bad, and you've given it a two. No, I never have. Yes, you have. No, I haven't. Yes, you have. OK, now I've got to go back to an episode and find out. Trust me, you have. He hasn't. I have never said anything is a two, but it's OK. Yeah, you have. No, I haven't. OK. Anything that I say is a two is like, dude, this shit is fucking good as hell. No, you've said things have been a two, but you said it was not the best. Maybe for the movie. No, all right, I will go back. I will do the research on the episode for you. I will do that seriously. I mean, you're the one saying that I have. So you got to show me proof. OK, I will show the proof. I will show the proof. It was actually one of my drinks. Fucking tequila. Where's your bullshit at? Let's see. It was right now. So wasn't that back in? Back in November. Yeah, November. Sorry, it wasn't comments. It was-- Oh, wait, no. Messages. Now it's messages. I've talked to-- OK, I'm dead serious. I've talked to people, and they said that they've had it, and they said that it actually tastes really good, and that tequila doesn't have to-- tequila-- you don't really know what a true tequila taste is. OK. All right, so you've been to Mexico, and you've had different types of tequila. You didn't care for that one, because it was sweet. It didn't taste like tequila. It didn't taste like tequila. That's his preference. OK. There we go. I gave it a-- I gave it a one. Yeah. So but you said plenty of people said in the comments on our Instagram. One comment, I'm sorry, was messages. I've gotten messages, and I've talked to people. All right, then I correct myself, seriously. But you and Chase gave it a two. Yeah, I loved it. You gave it one, three quarters. Were there any comments at all? No, zero. None. That's what I figured. Yeah. That's what I fucking heard. So you're the pro at tequila? No. But I know you. I know you are the pro at tequila taste like. I do know what tequila is supposed to take. No, I don't know what exactly it's supposed to taste like, because there's can be a whiskey or a bourbon that has different taste to it. That would have more of a sweeter taste to it. OK, and I'm a whiskey case of nothing like a fucking whiskey. It tasted like tequila. No, it didn't. Why are we talking about tequila? We're talking about this shit. You brought it up, man. You brought it up. Yeah, that's true. I did, didn't I? Fuck this crisp on yourself. I'm glad this drink brought all those memories back to you. It does. Jesus, you got to have a two? This I give it to. Yeah, it's good. I have no problem with it. I like the-- it's not bad. Why does it matter if I say it's not bad? That's my type of review. I'm saying not bad, but it's a two. Well, that's just what I believe. Come on. Sammy was asked, hey, how's the sex with Ron? It's not bad. How are you going to fucking feel about that? All right. How are you going to fucking feel about that? Take it as a compliment. Lied. Bless your heart. You would be so fucking butter. No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't. Oh, it's not bad. It's OK. I didn't say it. OK, I said not bad. Well, you wouldn't ask what can I do better? No. You suck. [LAUGHTER] Selfish lover. [LAUGHTER] You guys were. Asking. [LAUGHTER] I give it to. It's good. I definitely, like I said, the taste is very different because it's got that shock in the beginning, but also the caramel when you were thinking I was a vanilla. But it's funny that the notes say that it's apricot and a fruity taste. I don't taste any fruity taste to it. I mean, do you guys have any fruity taste in it? You can smell it. It's in the nose. On the nose, yes. I think a little bit of the sweetness is where they're talking about the fruitiness. Yeah. All right. It's more of a natural sweetness than a sugary sweetness. See, I can agree with you with a whole maple. Like the maple with the wood sugar and stuff like that. I can agree with that, but I can't see any fruity taste to it. I can see more of a caramel. When you said caramel, that makes more sense to me. It's sugar. Zilos is a sugar first isolated from wood and named for it. Oh. What is-- here we go. It's derived from non-food biomass, wood, architectural, residues, municipal, solid waste. The biomass is primarily composed of carbohydrate, polymers, cellulose. How about like sap? Would you think of sap being like almost like a, yeah? That's what basically syrup is. Serp is tree-sap. It's basically, yeah. OK, I didn't-- When you spike a tree in the syrup, it comes out. Yeah, that's the sap. Yeah, it's coming out of the tree. That's the sugar, something. He did not be able to add sugar to it. OK. No. I'll give it a two. Because it's delicious. OK. It's better than OK. I didn't say OK. I said it's not bad. I'm sorry. It's better than not bad. Someone's fancy. [LAUGHS] Stupidus. Stupidus. Holy fuck balls, Batman. Spectacular. There you go. How about that? It's good. You're just missing the list. Thupendus. The list. You can't tell. You sound like big gay out now. Thupendus. Thank you for that. I don't know. No, I like-- so you do get the fruit note smell on it? Yeah. But not in the taste. Not so much. No, no. The caramel-- it's funny because we talked about this on another fucking drink. We've done so many, actually. Where we were confusing vanilla with caramel. Yeah, we-- No, no, I said marshmallow. No, no, no. We don't have the vanilla caramel. OK. Vanilla and the caramel. Yeah. It's so similar. Right. Because caramel, you have vanilla in it. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And we've confused it before. And this-- you know, same thing with this one here. But it's fucking really good. I like how it's got white pepper in it. And you can actually-- it tells you-- it's funny because it tells you where you're going to taste it. Yeah, as soon as you have the very fucking accurate. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to give it a one and a half. OK. It has a really interesting mouth feel to it. It feels like it's more-- Are you talking about that shock? It's in the mouth than just a regular liquid. It feels fuller. I'm trying to figure out the exact wording to describe it. But when I'm taking it in, I guess the-- I don't know, the fumes that I'm kind of tasting in my mouth that makes it feel more substantial. But it's really interesting. And I'm taking small sips just to try to-- Break it down. Yeah, trying to pinpoint it. It's nice. It's really nice. Not your everyday go. No. This wouldn't be my everyday go to. But it also wouldn't be those super special fancy occasions. I'd have to be in the very right mood for this. But it would definitely scratch a niche in that mood. What's the price point for the bottle? The price is very online. I got this on an ABC drop. I saw it. I was like, fuck me. That bottle looks beautiful. So look what I get. Sounds fancy. Let's do it. Yeah, OK. But I'm definitely enjoying it. And it's a pleasurable experience. You think it would be better-- like we talked about with some water in it. It's like a drop of water. Maybe a couple drops might be just to open up some of the notes a little bit. But I'm still very impressed with the way it is. OK. The bottle's cool as shit, though. It is. Yeah, it is. I like the wax seal that's in the center. Is it got like vines on it or something like that, or? Yeah. OK. So, yeah. So, honestly, God, this drink is one of the most unique drinks I've ever had. Like the spicy notes to it are something I've never had before. And it's a mild spice as a pussy who can't handle fucking spice. Yeah. I'm enjoying it. Especially this is how you're proof. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But that shocks me with how mild the alcohol burn. What did you think it was? What did you think it was? I would think it would be closer to somewhere like 80? 80? OK. So if it hides that even even in my mind, I'm like, hey, like, oh, this is super smooth, super fucking smooth. But to find out it's 100, I'm like, that is amazing, so. Yeah, this is very unique. I've never had this before. So it's definitely a two here. But honestly, yeah, I've never had this before. But the taste to it and like the feel and like how the description is online, it is fucking spot on. Yeah, it's perfect. I could prefer for a summer bonfire or even winter if you really wanted to. But yeah, anytime during a I can see this. I can see this as a winter during the being really. Yeah, that's what I said is really nice nice crisp air going on. And then the same time. But it's got the nice warmth and spice to it. Yeah, do you think it'd be better need or do you think it'd be better on the rocks? I'm OK. OK. How about you guys? Neat and tight. I'm like you get meat right now. OK. Just yours. But you you think a splash of water might help a couple of drops. Just a couple of drops to break up some of the bonds to open it up a little bit. OK. Is that water? It's OK. Well, that's it. Got some moonshine down here. We're going to open it up a little bit. That'll open it up. You all want to drop water? I'm curious now. Just take a couple. I need a little bit more of my glass then. So I don't overpower it. If you're OK with that, I figured as much, but I still try to be the nice thing. I almost said something a little different. Thank you. No, I saved this bottle for this occasion. Like, I have bottles at home I haven't opened yet that are, like, I guess high end to middle tier. That I'll save for some random occasion. Like, this works today. It might be a little bit too mine out. I thought I thought a few drops, but that was more than a few try now. Damn it. You pour me your glass out so fucking dropper. That was a little bit too much also. So fucking full of can. That does, though, definitely open up some flavor profiles, though. Oh, wow. Oh, fucked up. Yep. Fuck. Yeah, see, fuck her? Yeah. Not easy. No, no, no, no, you're doing too much. Fuck good. Well, let's chill with C. All right. Cheers, guys. Cheers again. I don't know. OK, pros. I already had mine. I ain't going to fuck that. That's all right. You're not going to get punished because we already did the first one. It definitely opens up some flavor profiles, though. Hmm. I like it better without the water. I wish it was less water that I put in here, but I can definitely see where the water is opening it up. I can definitely hit different profiles on there. I don't know. I'm not a fan of it with the water. It's so much water that we fucking put in. We should all put it in a few fucking quiles. That was the entire goddamn point. Pour like almost like a half a shot. Yes. I'd rather go with the meat and buy itself without the water. Tastes the same to me. I wouldn't mind trying it chilled, though. I wouldn't mind trying it chilled. Tilled with dull it, I think. I think chilled with dull it. You think so? I do. No, with whiskey rocks. Not with ice. I think chilled with dull it. Really? Yeah. Okay. I like that. I like that warmth. I love the warmth, though. Well, we're like I said, we're sticking to the review that we all gave it the first time, so... What's up, Beeping? I don't know. There's none. It's over there. Is there a fridge? Ah! Ah! Ah! Ron! Fuck you, Frick! Whoa! Fuck you, Frick! Whoa! The fuck! I can't believe the fridge got me! Ah! Oh, that's the first. Oh my gosh! Oh my gosh! Yes! Fuck! That is a first. Ahh! Is it in that cock? I hope not. See, you fucking spin it so goddamn hard you're going to break the thing again. No, actually, it doesn't even spin. You didn't buy the fucking fells from the bottom? I haven't yet. I should have bought it. I knew it was going to do it. I know. God damn it. What is it? Everclear. Woo! We're going to go ahead and take a break. We will be right back. Hey there. It's the barrel-age chicks. I'm Sammy. I'm Snow. I'm Crystal. Often called Maust. And I'm here too. And then we also have Yen and Harley, who sadly are not with us. But that's okay. We're here to talk to you about our podcast. Tune in because it's just, it's a lot of fun. And you get to hear the chick side of things. You're going to be asked about movies and drinking and life and momming. Lots of laughing. Lots of laughing. Lots of laughing. I love it. But it's great. Yes. We have finished our first season. And we're starting our second season. Good lord. 2024. Here we come. I know. Enjoy it. Join us on all of the platforms. Hear them talk and me listen. You talk. You can find us on Instagram and Facebook. Pretty much anywhere you can hear voices on the phone. And yeah. So give us a follow. Check us out. Watch us give Ron aneurysms. That's the best part. And thanks for listening. We will talk to you soon. All right. We are back with the dark night legacy. So I'm going to hand it off to Goot. As actually before we do that, I'm going to take my shot of ever clear. So a shot to BAF. Our crew. Love you guys. You guys mean a lot. This has been a great journey. We tolerate you. Yeah. Cheers. Cheers. Beers. All right. Goot. It's all you. Damn. Here we go. So damn. So Batman's always been one of my favorite characters. You know, pretty much when I was born, I always had a batman toy in my hand because I was born 86. Did you come out holding a batman toy? I've wondered. I got my dad for the tape. Like, did you record it? He's like, what the fuck's wrong with you? I don't know if I had a batman toy in my hand. It was the battering, at least, our bats came out. Yeah. If bats came out, bats came out, there's a problem. Yeah. All right. I didn't have a conversation with your mom. I'm not naive with this trilogy. It's one of my, it's one of the best trilies out there, but I'm not naive. When you pull, when you look into Christopher Nolan's, you pull a thread, you get about 15 fucking wool barns, whatever come out, right? You will find something, you pull out even a fucking bigger mess. Yes. So I will, I'll be, I'm not naive, I guess, suspend my belief. I can look at both sides. I'll be critical in both of this, they're like good and bad. So I'll make this fun, you know, just having fun. Yeah. Of course. But this is, this is your, this is your baby right here. This is, this is what you love. I mean, this is what everybody relates you to as Batman, especially with your, your, your call on Instagram, all your cows that you make and everything that you do and stuff like that. So this is definitely you, especially with the Joker episode that we did. The Joker character set. That was really fun. Yeah. That was really fun. And it could've been longer. Just like your Wolverine episode. Yeah. Yeah. You're so excited for that one. Like I was trying to get myself even keel. I'm like, don't like, don't like, just shaking like, no, no, you want to love what you're talking about. Yeah. I have no problem loving that something that we talk about. You know, so the drinks that you brought to that table for the Joker episode were good. Yeah. Yeah. I think you brought like three of them, I believe. Three. Yeah. The last one was the, I didn't have the Jolly Rancher sit in the long enough. Yeah. So it was a straight Jolly Rancher juice. I'm like, I'll never forget that. But have you done a character study yet? Oh, see, he mosted it. I bought the drinks. But it was more you doing the character study. No, if I were to, if I were to host one, I would pick, I would pick a character, but my character probably doesn't have that much lore. I love Gambit. Gambit's always been my favorite. Oh, they're fucking on the lore for Gambit. I would love to do Gambit. It's just, there's no gambit movies or anything like that to talk about. They don't have any fucking movies. Got one. They don't even call it your fucking character. X-Men 97. How much do you write on it? Would there be a comic? Yeah. Ghostwriter. What? That would be amazing. Yeah. Ghostwriter. Oh. So Gambit and Ghostwriter. Yes. We need to get that shit done. Okay. Then we'll do a Gambit and Ghostwriter episode. Here are the ones that were in the Wolverine and the Joker episode. Why do you say it like, believe it or not, like, I know. No, because Chase wasn't in those episodes, it's the same crew that's doing this Batman trilogy. It's school that we're doing that. Trippy Alert. No, but I would, Gambit has always been one of my favorites, but if I had to pick another character to do, I would, I would love to do Captain America. That would be a fuck ton more lore to love it. That's a love from. Yeah. Then Gambit. But do whatever character that you love, that brings joy to your heart. All right. God, that would be Gambit then. Then do Gambit. Just Gambit was my favorite in the animated series. He's got a lot of shit on him. He has a lot of really interesting shit that once you start really diving deep, I know. I know. I understand that. But the thing is, I don't know comic book lore like you do. So you would have to give me comics that would work well with Gambit. Just watch. Just start doing some research. Yeah. Watch X-Men, the original series. Yeah. And watch X-Men 97. I've never seen 97. I've seen the original series. No, no, no, no. You need to watch 97. You need to watch 97. Okay. It is. The twist that Gambit has coming. Yeah. You're going to blow your load. Or I did. But you're going to be mad. You're going to be fucking mad. You're going to be butt hurt. You're going to be butt hurt. You're going to be butt hurt. You didn't end up gay, does he? What if he didn't end up? He's always been gay. He's always been bi. What? Gambit's bi? Yeah. I don't know this shit. I don't. You can't tell by the way. I'm doing Captain America. I'm doing Captain America. I'm doing Captain America. Captain America. Oh, God. That's making me look bad. Yes, it does. Shit. I thought that's why you didn't fly with him so much. No. I just thought he was a cop. He was just a cop. Fuck you. That guy was just a cop character. This is fuck. All right. Let's talk about the darkness. He's a cop. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. What the fuck? I'm not stroking no shit. Fuck. He knows. How did I know you're gay? He's not gay. He had a thing for fucking Rogue. I don't get that. He's not bi. I don't believe that. He is. Is he going to explain what he's saying? He's bi? No. Even the prior series. He's always been bi. Did you want it to matter? I didn't know that. It doesn't matter. It didn't change anything. It doesn't matter. Who cares? It doesn't matter. Well, I asked. Man, it's a good thing the camera can't see your face. I'm glad he's gay. I'm glad he's bi. No, he's not. Christ. What the fuck? Let's get back to this. Hey, it's a gay pride month. There you go. He's going to be going downtown walking this way. I love Gambit. Thank you both for this role. Gambit was always my favorite character. I love the whole trench coat. Playing cards. I've always enjoyed his character. I don't know much of his lore, but I can do the research. I'm just going to force yourself into learning more about your character. Okay. I'll do Gambit. I'll do Gambit. Boom. Which ghostwriter are you talking about? There's been a few. Oh. All right. It'll probably be the original. Okay. Open. Open the vagina up for everything. Okay. There's quite a few bad ass fucking ghostwriters. I know. I remember we are at one point. We're going to help both staff. I changed that. Yeah. I don't know Hellboy at all. I just know by the movies. I don't know the character. I know it's Dark Horse Comics. You're trying to get me to do that. I'm like, oh, Batman. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Do Batman. So what legacy does this have for you guys? Like, I know the usual question is like, when did you first see this ball of law? But I mean, what legacy does this trilogy have for you guys? See, this is more the realistic Batman. That's what I've always been young. Whenever I've heard about it, the critical reviews, I've seen all three of them in the theaters. I think I saw the Dark Knight with Stuart in the theater actually. Dark Knight rises me and Sammy saw and we also saw Batman begins. But this takes more of a realistic take of Batman. You know, it doesn't have all the, you know, the, what you call the, the camp and also the, the, what's, what's the idea of when it's like, you know, goes into the unknown, when it goes into Farfetch'd? Yes. Farfetch'd. I'd say this is a realistic view, more realistic view. This felt the most Batman proper to me after Batman won and after the first two Michael Keaton's, after the, the, the Tim Burton one. Yeah. Tim Burton first. After those ones, I was missing this type of Batman. The rest of those Batman's felt wrong, felt... They were toy commercial. Yeah. They were toy commercial. And then this is like, all right, no, we're doing some shit. That's back to what Batman should be. Yeah. It's supposed to be darker, supposed to be grittier. But isn't Batman begins also based off, cause I know it was written by David Escoyer, which David Escoyer does a lot of dark stuff. He did blade, he did the blade movies. And he directed the third blade movie. But the fact is is that when it got to Batman and Robin and Batman Forever, those were like campiest shit. Joe Schumacher did a horrible job. Although the Batman Forever... That may have been studio interference as well. I know, because Batman Forever, they're actually trying to get the Schumacher cut to come out now and I've been... It's not going to happen. I don't think it is, but I wish it would, because it's going more of a darker view. And then Batman and Robin was just a giant toy commercial. Yeah. In fact, even Joe Schumacher, even in the documentary apologized to the fans, I'm sorry for making this Batman for you. This isn't what it should have been like, he even apologized for it in the documentary, which is really cool on a director to do that. But it was all studio interference. It's pressure, man. You've got the fans left and right screaming at you every day for fucking... But also, too little, too late. I'm sorry. He should have fucking apologized 20 years ago when the fucking film came out. It was a paycheck. Not fucking... You know what a better apology would have been? Not making it. Everyone's money back. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. That was amazing how relevant, because Mr. Freeze, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was up there with fucking Penguin. And the... That was funny. That was a funny bit. The bit that they did, and Michael Keaton sent him right there, like he's the same fucking bring it. Yeah. And he even dressed like what old man Bruce apparently, like his... He actually dressed for the part apparently. I don't know if it's from Batman Beyond or something like that, the way that he dressed. No. He was him being him. No, that's what I read. He chose an older style. Yeah. Older style tucks. Yes. Versus more moderns. But the whole Batman Beyond stuff, just a what fuel fire for that storyline to come true. You never know about it. It could still happen. I really fucking do. I think they could do some amazing shit. Yeah. Is Batman Beyond that good of a story? Fuck yes. Yeah. Does it have the Joker in it? Yes. Yes. Ish. It comes back. Oh, is it a different Joker? Or is it an updated Joker? Now keep mine. This is the future. Years and years and years and years and years have gone by. So then what is my picture? So picture. I think is picture Michael Keith Batman in the flash. Okay. I feel even older than that. I really think older than that. I really feel even older than that. Because you have to consider after dark net returns sees it's after that time period. Oh, how old is Bruce in Batman Beyond like 70s or something? And what? And beyond. 78. 80s and above. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you would be that'd be further on. Now Nightwing is Robin, right? First one. Around 80 years old. Yeah. Yep. So Nightwing, was that a glimpse in dark night? I know I'm. Nightwing is the first Robin, the first Robin, he grew up and became his own fucking person. He said, fuck you the Batman. I'm being my own man. Uh huh. Talked up to a different city. And he did his own thing. And what was the whole thing? And it was city. Yeah. I mean, kind of a bird. A bird. They want you to believe it. Yeah. So it wasn't Gotham. It was the outskirts of Gotham. Hell's Kitchen type. Yeah. The way Hell's Kitchen is to New York City. The Daredevil. That's what I thought. Hell's Kitchen was Daredevil. But which is part of New York City. It's reference as part of New York City. Okay. It's a bird. It's like a neighborhood area, like a gallery or city. Yes. Okay. The neighborhood area of New York City. So that's where I'm blanking on the name of what town town that Nightwing went to. It's Capital City? No. It was. I thought that was a flash. No. Uh huh. I knew something. No. I don't know. I thought Batman Beyond was in Gotham. I thought it was just future Gotham. It is. It is. But Nightwing is the... Doesn't he show up? Outskirt. Okay. So the end of Dark Night Rises was that... Bloodhaven. Bloodhaven, okay. Was that end of Dark Night Rises supposed to be like the start of Nightwing? No. They thought of Robin. They thought of Robin. It was supposed to be Robin's story. I know you already said that you were pissed off about that. That's what I was curious. But I guess you'll get into that. It was an interesting way. It was to not make Robin a bitch. All right. And not make Bruce Wayne seem like a fucking little weird kitty butcher. That's right. I don't... That's a fucking... Yeah. Bruce Wayne adopted numerous underage boys and raped them by themselves and made them dress up in skin tight outfits and do weird shit. That's a stupid way. Okay. I see him trying to help kids out. I agree. He gave them a fucking... He gave them a pat. I agree-ish. How did the world one little boy at a time? Yes. But he did his best. He wanted to be a father figure. He never had a father figure. He wanted to have kids, but he never wanted a fucking life in the side. But also that kind of the way Weinstein wanted to be a leader. I wouldn't go that far. Why? I wouldn't go that far. You couldn't. I'm just saying. It's... It's just... Oh boy! It's just you for the both boys. But that's why Robin never shut up in these movies. Thank God. Well, that's the thing. I remember Robin, were they ever planning on bringing Robin in these series? Because that whole little thing at the end, which he says, what's your real name? Oh no. It was Robin. Yeah. I was supposed to be... Do you think that was just a little extra Easter egg? Middle finger doll of fans. Yeah. I mean, that was... I think that was one of making the torch... The Robin movies. But they just never did. Because Bruce Wayne was basically retiring and living with Catwoman, basically. Yeah. That's that multiverse. I don't blame him. With that, that's own fucking story. I think... That's a different multiverse. Yeah. Then it became his Batman in France. Yeah. No. He was... LABAT! They make Huntress over there. Uh-huh. They make Huntress over there. Uh-huh. Yeah. Who's up there? Yeah. Huntress. Who's Huntress? That's Batman and Catwoman's daughter. Jesus Christ. See, I don't know this shit. I mean, you're looking for you guys on this. That's the one I want. That's the one I want. I don't know. See, Goot and... Goot and Stu are like the comic book wizards here, so they know more about this shit. I... I don't know. You... God, how many comics have you guys read? I've read a lot. Shit. I mean, they're only fucking like 20 pages long on average. But you... You also read comics too. All right. I've read a shit than a comic. Yeah. What was your main thing? Ghost Rider? I've like Ghost Rider X-Men Wolverine, which I'm... I'm a piss that you picked Wolverine because that would have been mine. That's a really nice favor. Did you name any of your children after him? No. Thank you very much. Nope. I did not. No. There's his name to have for a Jaws character. Oh. Don't... Don't... But now... So for me, like the... The legacy of this movie "House For Me," like the Christopher Nolan's vision for it, like he... Coming not really from like... He'd made one movie for Warner Brothers. He wasn't a big name yet. I'm like just like kind of put him on the map. Really? I feel like he was big. No, no, no. He did insomnia. That was part of Warner Brothers deal. Prestige... Prestige was after Batman begins. Yeah. Yeah. It was between Batman and Dark Knight. He had the following insomnia. Yeah. And then Dark Knight... Or... Yeah, Batman begins. Yeah. And his take on Batman though, because his direct... What I love is that he goes for practical effects also. This is very practical. The military effects, the military weapons he uses, is practical. It's real life. Yeah. So like his... Like the first Batman suit. It's a no-max survival suit. Mm-hmm. And he goes from there because... I mean Lucius Fox is... Memento. It's a critical... Is that before or after? No, that was before. That was the end of the movie. That was the end of the movie. That was the end of the movie. Yeah. That was the end of the movie. That was the end of the movie. Yeah. That was the end of the movie. That was the end of the movie. Yeah. That was the end of the movie. Yeah. That was the end of the movie. That was the end of the movie. That was the end of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. He never heard of that. He did in 1997. That must have been a student film. No. The following was a student film. I mean it does look very student filmish. The following is a student film. I'm not... It's black and white. Yeah. It looks very student filmish. It's a short psychological thriller film written directed by Christopher Nolan. Written by. Written and directed by Christopher Nolan. Oh, okay. Um... Hey, speaking of '97, that was the last Batman... That was Batman and Robin. The year that came out. And you have eight years between that and... And it was that long. You're right. Yeah. Eight years for them to redo a Batman movie. It was 1997 and 2005. Yeah. Eight years. But I think... You know what? That's fine. That's fine because that's enough time to... Try to forget about it. Forget about it. Yeah. And move on to something better. Okay. We'll see. The thing is... I already know this part because I know Batman returns came out. When Batman returns came out, all the parents were outraged because it's so fucking dark and everything else. So then they hired a different director to take over. And then Joe Schumacher did Batman Forever, which was a hit. But still critically not... Joel. Anyways, Joe Schumacher made Batman and Robin, which ended up being... An embarrassment to DC, basically. To the point where all the fans were outraged. And then Batman Begins came out later because they wanted to reboot and restart it and make it the way that it was supposed to be. I think they were trying to base it off to Frank Miller. No. We did a very good job of incorporating different storylines into this. The first one is Batman Year One. He incorporates a lot of that ideologies from that comic. That's serious. Who wrote that one? Frank Miller? No. I was starting to have returns. You're one. So that's Batman coming. He's a child. He goes to his... No. No, no, no. Frank did write that. He did? You're one, novel wife Frank Miller. Okay. Okay. So he based a lot of the story of the... We're going to publish them in 1987. With Roswell and all that? No, no. There was Catwoman at this time. Oh. His main... And Year One, he was fighting the mob. Okay. Catwoman is on the side helping him on different stuff here and there. But she's also her, being a villain. So it's him. It took 10 years for him to become Batman. So Batman Begins is a beautiful job of telling the story of him. Going to Himalayas. Going overseas to train and build himself up and become a detective. No, every area of knowledge you need to know would be successful. So then... Yeah. So he takes on the mob. So this movie, you only see Falcone. No. Maroni. You see Maroni in this movie. So they changed the name? No. Those two names are critical. They're in the lore for it. Oh, yes. There's a short movie called Batman by Gotham. It has those two, the Russian, Mrs. Maroni and like Falcone. Okay. So there's the two, the big crime bosses. Alright. So this is the first one you have Maroni. And then you have him doing his stuff. Like showing how dark Gotham is. Like how evil it is from the bottom, how it's just corrupted. And just no hope for that city. Right. So he becomes Batman. It took 10 years. And then like they incorporated well with the scene with the bat. And like the bat flying in the house. That's from the comic books. Really? Really? So it's beautiful done. Now the whole thing about Raza Ghul. So that was created for the movie? Yes. I thought Raza Ghul was actually in the comics. No, Raza Ghul is. Because I remember him in the animated series. Yeah, no. Raza Ghul is older than the movies. Yeah. See, he started in the comics 100%. Okay. The comics anime series. Let's make it like, you know, introduced to Lazarus Pitts. How he lives forever. Pretty much. Yeah. Pretty much a God. But I did like the way they handled it in the films. Yes. And it's just like a little living forever. You're just passing all your ideas. Exactly. So Lazarus might be the, the, the, the red pirate Robertson. Yeah. Exactly. Well, I'm putting this right. Oh, okay. So we're just handing down a different person by person. But in the films. In the films. In the films. The comics, no. It's the same motherfucker. Yeah. So all right. You see the Lazarus Pitts. Is that the same pit that's in Dark Knight Rises? No. Okay. I know that that's a jail. What you're talking about. Okay. Okay. This pit is actually a pit full. There's multiple ones, but they're pit full of a special liquid that basically rejuvenate the body. It's like a back that tank. Oh, okay. Exactly. Good pool. Good pool. It's a reference to the Bible to Darth Vader. Yeah. Exactly. Yep. Um, so they, I was worried when I found out that Ross was going to be the main bad in Batman against like, Oh man, how they do as real, you know, cause Ross is connected to the Lazarus Pitts. How can you possibly do that as a. They went with the one more round. They went with a realistic view. Yeah. Then I was very, I was very impressed the way he says his name is Henry do card when he first meets him. Yeah. In the fucking jail cell. Yeah. And so that does to get back. I'm worse. I'll go at the end. You have the clip for it. But, um, but it's well done. Like it's just beautifully done. Like it's just, it's so grounded, this is like you have Batman who inspired all these random movies in the nineties, all the comic book stuff. Yeah. Then 2005, you have this, this movie comes out. It changed everything. This is like Ironman. This was the game changer for fucking it. Marvel. Yeah. So, but unfortunately, yeah, these three movies come out, then Warner Brothers just fucked up. Yeah. fucked up. How they fuck up? Just. So they went through an internal struggle of leadership and figuring out what they, what they wanted to continue to be, um, they sold parts themselves that bought parts of other people. They lost their identity as a whole. Yeah. So thereby they didn't have a leading voice to, to guide them, um, in to the future endeavors. And hence why Warner Brothers basically collapsed and merged with other companies now. Yeah. And we no longer have the Warner Brothers at all that we, we grew up with. Yeah. And that was the, the juggernaut back in the day of filmmaking. Everyone owns, everyone owns more of Warner Brothers than Warner Brothers owns of itself. Yeah. Warner Brothers owns Batman right now. Superman owns all of DC. They own the movie rights to produce them. Okay. Yes. The film rights. They do not own DC. No. DC. From what I remember, it's not, it's, it's own thing. Yeah. Okay. All those animated films that have come out, which I've heard are really good. I've never seen any of them, but I mean, some of them are great. Some of them are. Are those all by Warner Brothers? Yeah. Okay. It's produced by them, but they go more by the comic book standards. Yes. Okay. Well, they, they, they change things up here and there. Yeah. What would you say is the best one? That's fucking. Yeah. No. It, it all depends on which character you're, you're in love with, you know, cause they do, a lot of them do really good job of speaking to certain characters. Yeah. Yes. So you can't really pick one. For Batman, I mean, for me, it's Dark Knight Returns, part one, part two. You seen those? Yeah. I, I, no, I really dig the hush ones. I really dig the hush ones. The only one I've seen is the killing joke. Okay. I saw that for the, I saw that for the, for our Joker, that's not nearly as good as the fucking comic itself, but yeah, we went all over the place. I know. But it's fun. It's, it's all Batman. So that's a movie like, you know, introducing racial goal, it was critical because, you know, he's there. He's trying to destroy Gotham. You have Scarecrow who's working under him. Mm hmm. So he was he, when, when this movie first came out, was he going to be the main, like, did everybody thought he was going to be the main villain or was it going to be Raza? Scarecrow? Scarecrow compared to Raza ghoul. Well, it depends on if you, I think it depends really on if you know anything about the prior engagements. Yeah. Shit. From where I remember all the leaks and all the hype and stuff that come out, it was going to be a multi-villain film with, well, every Batman film has been a multi-villain film. And so it was racial is going to be the big, bad scarecrow was going to be the B story. Yeah. And that's what it ended up being. But he ended up also being a character in all the other two movies. Yeah. It was really cool. That was a little cameo. Nice. I like that. It was a relationship he has with Christopher Nolan. Yeah. No, which when he released him with Oppenheimer, it was, I think it's a masterpiece, in my opinion. I love that movie. I've seen so many times, but I think Killian Murphy, what do you think he played the scarecrow? He did. To his justice when it comes to the comics. He did. Great job playing Jonathan Crane, who's, Jonathan Crane's the main, main guy in the story. Yeah. He plays him well. The Arkham, you know, Doctor of Scientist. And then scarecrow is him. He's scarecrow. I think. The other thing I didn't like about him is the Crane character to me should have been more, I guess, wimpy, it would be the term, something more afraid, feeling, and bring him out. And bring him out until he put on the fucking mask. And then, then that's when he's like, fuck the world. Well, when he puts on the mask, that's actually him. Yes. So it's just the same as when Bruce Wayne, no, no, no, no. So when Batman is the real Bruce Wayne, he puts on the mask, right, or I take that back, it's when Batman takes off the mask. He's a company. He's not Batman. He's Bruce Wayne. He's being fake. Yeah. When he's wearing the outfit. That's who he is. It's not being fake. He has the strict. Well, not not fake. I don't. Fake. Fake. Fake would be the wrong term for it. Do it personalities. It's a dual personality, but I don't think it's more along the lines of you have a primary and a sub-personality, and his real Batman's real personality is Batman. Yeah. It isn't Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is the mask that he puts on to the public. Okay. All right. That's not him. You know what that reminds me of? That reminds me of a, in a watchman, the guy with the mask. Worschach. Worschach. Yeah. Kind of reminds me of him. When he's, he can't live without his mask, his mask is a part of him. Yes. And that's, well, Worschach. So is that what you're saying? What Scarecrow is? Yes. So Scarecrow. Scarecrow is himself. When he's Scarecrow. Yes. When he's... Jonathan Crane. Jonathan Crane is when he, it's that... He should have been more of a, more of a bitch. I'm sorry. He should have asked. I see that. They did that in the anime series. I see. He's like a different look with this. I, but even even in the comics, he was more of a scientist. But he was more of a, a wilting flower type of character. Once you got a fire from the university for doing experiments. Because that, yeah, and then he starts doing the mask and shit like that. And that's when he starts, you know, being big, bad bitch. And like that. Everyone needs an origin story. But when, without the mask, he still was this, this scare trembling fucking little bitch. Yeah. And I, I really think Killian could have done a great job portraying that. But he was more, he played more pompous than anything. Like I know it all. And I was like, ahh. He was the main doctor at Arkham. What do you say? That, you see, that his mask is like an armor for him basically. Like his, the mask is where his real self is coming out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When he puts on the scarecrow hood is where the real crane is carried. Now, in the comics is it the same way where he has like this type of aerosol. Yeah. So okay. So that is in the comics also. Oh, yes. Okay. I didn't know that. All right. No, it's. No, they pulled a lot of accuracy from the comics to these movies. It's made it more realistic. Yes. Grounded. And you know, you can look about, damn, that could actually really happen. Yeah. And when scarecrow was introduced, he was kind of a low budget joker with a joker toxin. Yeah. All right. And then he developed and became his own character using the fear toxin instead of the joker gas. Yeah. But he was basically just a rip off, a low budget rip off a joker. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. It's just it to what you said is like true to extend like each element, each villain brings a different element. Yeah. So him's fear. So having Batman Bruce go through fear again, like what they had to go through as a child and like this, that whole different realm of paradigm of like dealing with their parents dying, the fear of bats, the fear of failure, all these different fear factors coming to play. It brings him grounded. That's why we love the characters so much. Yeah. That's the great job this movie does, the fear element, I mean, do you guys think you did a good job of doing that? Like the fear toxin, like how how I think it did an amazing job with because yes, we all know Batman. We all know where Batman came from. Mm hmm. All right. How he, if you watch the original Michael Keaton one, you know, you see how he became Batman in a, in a way, like his parents got killed and then he became a fucking crime fighter to find the fucking murder and so on and so forth. But in this one here, you don't see what he went through. Right. And with the, um, with the flower dust, like you were saying with fear, you don't understand what his fear is because he's always embraced a bat. You know, when he fell into the cave for the first time, he was talking about prior to prior to watching these movies here, I see, you know, you don't understand like any sort of fear. Okay. With him. It's true, but in the comics, you do know, minus comics, okay, because not, not everyone is going to, not everyone is going to fucking be reading, well, I think this, the, this trilogy right here is the only movies that were Batman's afraid of bats. He's not afraid of bats in the other movies, is he? So you don't, you don't, I wouldn't say originally he was in the first one. He's afraid of bats, but after his initial fear and his initiation, yeah, all right. He doesn't, he's not afraid of them anymore. It's, he embraces them until like he gets that talks or more concentrated dose and all of them, when they, when you see him finding the cave for the first time, whether it was a kid or older, when the bats come flying, they always have thing and then they fucking instinctively bend down. That's a fear response. That is a hundred percent of fear response. And then they show them adopting and then the bats flying around him and then accepting the fear. Every one of them show the initial fear response. Yeah. Doesn't matter what film it is, the first discovery always shows a fear response. I didn't see that in the Michael Keaton Batman's. Yeah. I mean, he was already there. He's like fucking duck back when he's building, when they show him building that back cave and developing it. Okay. The flashbacks. All right. I didn't. Okay. So wait, he's thinking marker Keaton. You said Christian male, right? All of them ones, when they show him first discovering the cave and all of them, instinctively, when the bats always come flying out, they showed the fear response, which is the ducking back. I didn't see that in Batman at all. In fact, I even remember bringing, what's her name? What's the character named? Ambassador's character. Oh, her. God damn it. Thank you. Vail bringing in there. So she sees all the bats. She gets all freaked down. Or it says, you got a lot of bats in here and he says, they're magnificent creatures. But that was after he's already established himself, Ed. So you don't really see his beginning, but I'll say every movie that you see him discovering the cave for the first time, whether it's falling in the well as a child, or a little bit older and coming through the waterfall, or whatever it fucking may be, you always see every character showing the instinctual fear response when they come flying at them. Ed shows that in Batman Forever, which is the deleted sequence that they never released where it shows them with a giant bat. You remember? I don't know if you ever seen the deleted sequence. You know what I'm talking about. Where it's got this giant bat in front of him and he's just staring at it and he's afraid of it, but he becomes the batman after that or something like that. It's a reference to the Dark Knight Returns. Oh, is it? Yes. I didn't know that for Batman Forever. Yeah. I had no idea. See, that's why I really would like to see that cut. I hope someday they might release it, at least Richard Donner cut of Superman too. Superman, man. Yeah, Batman is, I think Batman is more popular than Superman when it comes to favorite DC hero. Me as one person on a different show, I'm just a huge argument about that. Yeah. Really? Yes. Interesting. I think Batman's more popular than Superman. It's weird. I don't know. I think Superman's a very... I don't think so, honestly. I think more... Okay, if you think throughout the world, and they'll be close, I'm not going to say they're not close. It's not a blowout. But if you show a picture of Superman throughout the world, don't matter what civilization, and stuff like that, you're going to have more people recognize the S, recognize Superman than you are going to have them recognize immediately Batman. Really? If you show the symbol. Yeah. Oh. You can literally just show the S in the shield. Yeah. All right. And then the bat and stuff like that. But more people are going to simply know, even ones who don't speak English as a language and know what the letter S is, they're going to recognize the Superman, Superman emblem than they will. I know we're going off the movie that Coke is more recognized in the world than Pepsi is. They're close? I don't... I don't... I don't differentiate with that one, huh? I thought you were going a different way with that one. No. I know we're going off the movie in that, but which one's older? Batman are Superman. Superman. Superman's older. Superman was in the '30s. Yeah. And Batman was in the '40s. Okay. So they were both in the '30s. Yeah. Superman was first. Okay. I always thought Batman was the more popular one. I thought he was a lot of people respect Batman because Batman is more of the darker hero when it comes to Superman, more of the lighter hero when you think about it. So... Well, yeah. There's a book called Public Enemies that came out and it's like it kind of like falls into the time period of like the Batman animated series where you have them too. They know of each other and Superman is like studying him, Batman is studying Superman. Yeah. And Superman is like this guy's a villain, like why he's a bad guy, like why he's still able to do what he does. No. Well, when he goes to Russia and like he finds that Kryptonite mine and Batman comes to save him, become best friends because Batman needs him as an ally. He's like, "I will watch you because you're a threat to the world." Mm-hmm. I feel like this is the Dark Knight legacy plus character study of Batman. I know. This is right into it. I told you this one. I know. I fucking told you. It's turning into a character study of Batman and the Dark Knight legacy. But damn. How did you, with the origins of the character, how did you feel they did with the first movie? I think they did. Really fucking good. I think they did. Go ahead, Ragnar. No, you were first. I think they told a very good story for him that minus the comics that you don't see because everything else you just see, "Oh, I'm Batman." Yeah. You know, that's it. Yeah. That's all. There's nothing there. You know? Yeah. The most important part to me is his father. He's like, "Why don't we fall?" Yeah. So that's a huge motivation for him because Bruce Wayne, he doesn't have his father figures either. Alfred or Lucius Fox. Yeah. So he's got those two. He's got his best friend, Rachel Dawes. So it's a huge important character development for him and just him growing. You see that. And I think in Batman Begins, I think that's almost like the first hour of the movie. You don't see Batman until like 45 or 50 minutes into the movie. Correct. And it's all the origin story, which a lot of people complain. We don't need origin stories. You've seen them over and over again, but in this one, I think it was actually probably the best correct version of the Batman origin story. And I think they did a great job with it, especially with him falling down the cave and his father coming down with the rope and bringing him back up, giving that whole line and everything. It really showed the connection between him and his father and then him losing his father, that just like brought all the hatred and all the, you know, "I want to do something about it." So. Exactly. Yeah. And he wants to kill him. He doesn't know how to control his anger and rage and all, just everything feeling-wise. And he's about to shoot him in Rachel's like smacks him in the face or that's afterwards, but he wants to kill him, but he does it. Someone else does it. And then that... Falcone's wench. Yep. Yeah. Moroni. Was it Moroni? Falcone. Falcone. Yeah. Falcone was the gangster that... First movie. Falcone. Call him Falcone. Moroni. It's Moroni and Falcone. Yeah. Who was the dude with the long hair that was like the dirty cop? Oh, him? He kind of reminded me of the fat dude in Batman, the original Batman. That wasn't Bullock. No. That's not Bullock at all. No. No. I wish it would show him. Bullock was cool. His name is Mark. Bullock. It was Flash. That was Flash? Yeah. Was he in the comics? No, I don't think so. Oh, so that was just made for the movie? Yeah. There may be... But Falcone's... There may be characters that are in the movies that aren't in anything else. I love that cameo, by the way, with the guy with the... That's a nice coat. You know, from Snatch? Yeah. The Russian dude. Yeah, I always loved him. He's a good actor. I thought it was a good little cameo. There you go. I like the victor's ass. I love her always. Who's Victor? Victor's ass. Victor's ass is a fucking psychopath in the comics. He's the first one they show Scarecrow testifying, "Oh, he's crazy. He needs to come and be treated." Mark him. Yeah. No, he's a psychopath. He is a mass fucking murderer that then, every time he kills somebody, he cuts a fucking other dashmark into his fucking body. Oh, wow. And he is just covered with little fucking five slashes here and there, all over himself. Yeah. He's a special spot for Batman. Yes. That's his neck, right here. Oh, no shit. Yeah. And this is the comic week thing. Yes. Okay. comic video games. There's so many fucking villains. Who's the white shark? The great white. He's another crime boss. Yeah. How many crime bosses were there in the back? He fights the mob in the beginning. There's a lot, honestly. He fights the mob. Well, no, I know. It's not a super villain. It's still the... It doesn't come. I know the media blames him for it. Well, that's another realistic take that I loved about it, is that he actually got hurt. That he, especially when he, when the Scarecrow put his aerosol on him and scared him. Well, that seems funny. Everyone of those tick marks is somebody he's killed. Yeah. And he looks like he would be... Yeah. He's like a character right there. He's perfect in the game, too. Yes. Yes. When he's falling off the side of the buildings and stuff like that and he's convulsing and then Alfred picks him up and stuff like that. So does that seem up? So he's doing... he's learning how to be detective. Yeah. And he's like, find out where one of the places that Scarecrow has is Teddy Bears and the drugs. So he comes up there and investigate. And then he takes two of the henchmen out and then the Scarecrow hits him with the fear toxin. It's decimal fire. He's just falling and then he's going to do all his flashbacks and shit like that, like trying to get out of it. You know, it's fucking so well done. Yeah, we see... No, that was a great fucking scene the way they did that. And then we see what's his name from Game of Thrones, young kid. Oh, him? Joffrey. Joffrey. Yep. Yeah, we got Joffrey in there. It was weird seeing him like that. It was a little kid with American accent. Battering him. I won't tell anybody. Well, then he had... Here's a weapon. Right out. He just gives that shit to him, too. Here's like a $70,000 piece of equipment, he little fucker. You can hear it on the news that he kills a kid by accident by throwing it. Then you had... I don't know how to pronounce this for sure. It's Croatian. Raid Serbejia. Who the fuck is that? A great character actor. He played the homeless man that he gave the coat to. Yeah. This is the Russian. Yeah. Yeah. I love him. I've seen him in a million fucking thing. Snatch. He was also great and I was wide shut. I know you hate that movie, but I thought he was funny in that. He's just a great fucking character actor. I fucking love seeing him. Holy shit. He looks weird young. What? Holy shit. That handsome man. Yes. Is that 70s or something? I guess. I'm saying. No. I was looking weird at this fucking young. All right. Without a beard. Yeah. That's fucking weird. So the role like mentor figure, mentor figures, like how do you ask thing Alfred did in this one? People completely different compared to like Alfred Go. Okay. It was fun. I like this Alfred version a lot. I liked him in the first two movies. I did not like him in the third movie. I did not like what he did in the third movie, even though he apologizes, but the first two movies, he was a great Alfred. What didn't you like? The third one where he basically like turns his back away from Batman says I'm not doing this anymore and stuff like that. I'm not going to bear another way. I don't blame him. Yeah. I felt like the Alfred character. I don't know. It might be different. I felt like he was more dedicated to giving the job for protecting Bruce by Thomas. All right. And Thomas had saved his life and shit like that in the path they don't delve into in the movies. Yeah. But he had a dedication to Tom Thomas. Wait, maybe it was the Alfred I'm just not used to because he couldn't he could no longer see him go through all these pants and put himself in basically a suicide position. Yeah. And he felt at that point. But he regretted it. No, even at the end. He apologized the end. I'm sorry. He was apologizing to Thomas and Martha that he failed them. Well, I thought he was apologizing to Bruce. He was apologizing to Thomas and Martha who failed them. Okay. I thought they because Bruce was said to be dead after the. Yeah. That's why he was apologizing. Okay. See, I thought it was he was apologizing to Bruce that I'm sorry that I, you know, I took that ending of Alfred just hallucinating it. With the very ending. Were you using that funny cat woman? Oh, yeah. Because that's what he says. He dreams that, you know, hopefully seeing one day when he thought Bruce was dead and so that he would just find him out there. Yeah. Very convenient. It just happens to happen that way. So to me, Bruce is dead. Alfred hallucinated anything's possible. Yeah. We'll never know. Maybe, maybe. That's why. What? How from scarecrow? Huh? You used to that, like, doesn't do that for the animated series. Also from the Michael Keaton series, I'm used to that where he was just basically his servant that he would be with him. Oh, fuck that. More than the butler. See, well, that's what I was used to. Bad motherfucker. Yes. Bad, bad, bad. You know, you noticed that in the new Batman with, um, Andy circus. Oh, Andy circus. Yeah. I like his version of it. I like that. This is the Alfred from Gotham. Yeah. All right. Former S.A.S. agent fucking raising goddamn Bruce. I thought you was bad motherfucker. No. Am I serious? Yeah. The British S.A.S. and S.A.S., which is British Special Forces. Yeah. AMI-6 British. I don't know. IIA. Yeah. And just like that. So no, he was a bad motherfucker. He was raising Bruce to be a bad motherfucker. So if you, I know we did, we did a tasting room episode which is being released the same week as this episode, um, on the, um, on the bat. And even the Penny Dush TV show that I've read them all about, they have, they have the show show. I, I just asked a simple question, not three. What is your favorite offered? This one. Who is your favorite offered? I like Michael Kane. I like Jeremy Arens. I like one from Keaton, his name. Go. Go. Yeah. If we, we have that. Alfred go. Yeah. Because I can imagine him just being a badass back in the fucking day and then so being all fucking fancy. That's a long time. That's a long time back in the day for him because all the shit that dude is fucking ancient. Yeah. Rather that was actually a butler for like a, a certain, um, air, air already or something like that. Yeah. It was in Batman and Robin and showed that little picture of him and stuff like that. So you pick the original. That's a tough question. I, Jeremy Arens, Michael Keaton, or no, no, you went for, uh, Michael Kane. So I think we all have a different one here. Just because of the technology application and like, uh, Jeremy Irons because like he, he was there for him. He could do more. Yeah. Just be a fucking butler. Yeah. He was trying to be a father. It was mechanic too. Even though he was older, he was like, he could take over his fucking plane, he could fly. He was there for him. Wherever he needed. Fucking Jeremy go with helping fucking, uh, Bruce, all the fucking time. All right. Alfred was helping him all the fucking time. That look is different. All right. Yeah. He made sure he had his back card. Dan. He needs it. No, Jeremy Arens. I thought it was good, but Michael, Michael, I don't have problems with Michael Kane in the first two. I, I thought he was great in the first movie. I thought he was good casting. I was like, that's good casting. And I enjoyed him in the first one. And the second one, I thought he was good, especially when he, when, uh, uh, his girlfriend, the, uh, uh, Rachel, Rachel Dawes character sent that letter saying that, you know, he picked, um, two-face Harvey Dent over Bruce Wayne and he burned a letter. He didn't give it to him. He'd had much respect. He didn't want to put Bruce through all that hurt, but then in the third one, he should have given him the fucking letter. Do you think it would have changed anything? I think Bruce wanted to become the little fucking hermit that he fucking did. I think he should have as well. Yeah. Same. But I understand his reasoning. I understand his reasoning. Not to. Yeah. That was, that wasn't his choice to make. Yeah. So that was a point because he told him to endure and go through everything with the Joker, right? Yeah. But as Batman, like he was going through that as when he came back to Bruce, he knew he could handle it. That's why he fucking burned it. And that's why he's like, at the end of the third movie, he was like, I'm, I'm not going to fucking bury you. And then I'm out. He's buried too many wings. Okay. I can, I can do another one. I can respect him. I can respect that. I can respect that. I just, I, he, he, he's still not my favorite, but I respect that. I think he's the best actor of all of them. He is. No, I will. The chair marriage is a good actor. I think Michael Caine is much better than I know. I love Jeremy. I think Michael Caine is fucking God, Michael Caine is amazing, but Jeremy irons, Jeremy irons. Great. I will put it in a second place. Amazing. Second place. He's still, Jeremy irons is a very good actor. Yes. Of all of them, Jeremy irons would be second place to Michael Caine. That's better than actor. No, Michael Caine was a great actor. I just, I enjoyed Jeremy Irons. Alfred better. It won't like this. So even Michael Caine admitted he didn't know how Joker was going to beat Jack Nicholson Joker. He said he fucking killed it. He beat him. He's actually afraid of him. It was like he forgot his lines whenever you like he had to do a scene with him. Yeah. So he's like, yeah, he got him. He fledgers Joker was we would have been good as Alfred. Brian Brown was Brian Brown. Let's see, because you got everything fucking different now. It's all over there. All right. What am I pointing at? Cocktails and dreams. Uh huh. Where's that from? Oh, you talking about the Australian actor? Oh, that, that would have worked. I think Brian Brown could play fucking Alfred. That would have been a, I think that would have been a very good second choice. I wouldn't. I wouldn't mind today. I fucking love him as an actor. No, I can agree with that. I could agree with that. And more of an Australian take on it though, but I mean, Australia can do a British accent, but I, that would have worked. I mean, even now, British accent. Yeah. Uh huh. You could change his accent easily. Oh yeah. No, but I agree with you. That's good. All right. Well, we all. Even now, I mean, this is a newer photo of him like that. I love him. I could see him being a badass fucking Alfred. Yeah. No, I, I love him. I loved him. There's a, there's actually a couple movies that I enjoyed him in cocktail. I thought he was great in full body massage. He was even, I think he was good at sex. Yes. He was good in a comedy with the, I know it's got Baldwin in it and stuff like that where he was already rock. Yes. No, 130 rock. It was a movie with Ben Stiller. It's got a TV show. Yeah. It's got Philip Seymour Hoffman when they're playing basketball and his face is rubbing against the guy's sweat. Remember? Oh, you know what I'm talking about? I'm like cable guy, is it? No, it's not cable guy. Yes. I think that's it. Along came Polly. He played a, yeah, he played the guy that did all these stunts and stuff like that. But no, I can see him as an Alfred. I think that would have worked. That's a, that's a good, that's a good pick. What did you guys think would be a good Alfred? James Gunn. Hear this. Hey, Ken. I mean, he's got the age. He's perfect in the age forever. He's 76 now. Well, I mean, how old is fucking Michael Caney's like in his eighties? I mean, I'm the right thing Michael Caney now. All right. No, I'm saying that the, the eighties though, well, any circus, any circus was also offered. Would you all think of him? He was okay. But you notice he didn't enter the conversation at all. I know. All right. No, he did. I said he was good. I said, but like it's hard. So all the other ones we've seen multiple times. Yeah. So the Andy Serk is being Alfred. He did. I think he did a great job. Yeah. But he's only in there for a short amount of time in the new Batman. I think he was only 10 minutes. Screen time. No, I think it was a little bit longer than that. A little bit longer than that. Yeah. He was only 10 minutes. I said a little bit. I said a little bit. I didn't see a fucking, well, I didn't say half the fucking movie. He was barely in the movie. I know. Because he got blown up. He had blown up. Yeah, but he did the code and stuff like that. Gambit came there in blue. What? So this is a great episode. Oh, thank you. Totally bypassed. I don't want to talk about my childhood hero, sunken deck. Oh, fuck. Not gambit. Yeah, that's what it was. You guys ruined it for me until it's fucking fake asshole. So you don't know. Was it though, really fake? No, shut the fuck up. It all made sense though, didn't it? He should type in gambit grinder or grinder gambit to it pops up. You'll be shocked what you see for Wolverine. And when you find out him and his body, the Ice Man relationship, I'm sure there's Wolverine gay shit out there. I'm talking about gambit and Bobby, the Ice Man. All right. So we're ruining my fucking childhood. That was a nice deal, though. That's why it's chilly. It was a popsicle. It made it point immediately closes up with the fuck. So what do you guys think of the technology innovation? Like all the different technologies, like the tumbler of the different? I really enjoyed it. I have a question. I have a question. I really enjoyed it. It was Lucius Foxy. It was a huge, huge, huge, huge part of the Batman. Okay, good. I didn't know that. See, I thought he was made for the movies. Yeah. I didn't know Lucius Foxy was. Lucius Foxy is a major, major part of the building of Battech. I enjoyed his, like I said, Michael Caine, I enjoyed. But if it came to a secondary character, I love Lucius Fox. I loved how, how he knew that he was Batman, but he wasn't going to say anything and he was helping him with all these, the tech and everything. So if it wasn't Morgan Freeman, would you still like that character, if it was a different character? I mean, I guess all depends on the actor that plays it. I just didn't make sure Eddie Murphy and Eddie Murphy. Listen up here, motherfucker. Yeah. How about Kevin Hart? No. No. He's too short. The rock. He's too wide. He's got to be black? Yeah. He's in the comics. He's in the comics. Is he black in the comics? Yes. Okay. That would be funny. Fuck a white dude. And his son is in a major character in the Batgirl TV show is some of the major character. That was the son of Lucius Fox? Yeah. His name is Batwing. Stupid. No, it's a bad ass suit. I know. It is a bad ass suit. All right. You'll see that in the. My. Okay. My favorite part of the Lucius Fox is when he's showing them all the stuff when he's about to do what is a cave spurt-lunking spurt-lunking and stuff like that. Spurt-lunking. That's spurt-lunking. That fucking Morgan's spurt-lunk. Oh, man. You're rest in peace. Rest in peace. He's rest in peace. Spurt-lunking. I like spurt-lunking. No. There is. That whole thing where. Depends on where you go out in the world. I bet you they pronounce it are somehow. They may pronounce it and it doesn't mean that a fucking has one and doesn't matter. That cave that actually hardens up whenever it gets like the electrical charge. Is that real? They do have stuff that will change based on the charge being put into it. That's what I was curious. I don't know if that was accurate. You have to carry a battery pack. Oh, okay. Well, that's not going to be realistic because those things are heavy as shit depending on the charge of the battery. No. No, no, no. No, you can hit like in his back belt. It's so heavy. So heavy, right? Yeah. That would actually. That would charge it up. That's a small charge through. By putting the charge, you're creating the fucking the molecules. Okay. I didn't know if it matters on how much voltage you have to put it. Just like, no, I mean, it needs a certain amount, but it's not. But it's going to be a minimum amount. You could have probably fucking two double A batteries or a C or a D battery. D battery. Yeah. Back of the back belt. Yeah. Oh, just it would suck though. Yeah. Really suck. Like if you run out and you just start falling, when you fucking pull out the God damn the gun. That little joke where they ordered like a like like 100,000 or 10,000 of that the helmets or something like this. I'm glad we got a discount or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That was kind of funny. No wall backups. At least we'll have backups. Yeah. The next 10,000 will be better, sir, because they had to order it with the graphite. They had to order it that way. So it didn't seem understandable. I mean, graphite is very fucking fragile. It's brittle as shit. All right. So it makes sense if it ain't fucking dust done perfectly right and being fucking shattering like that. I'm like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. And that is a manufacturing problem you'd run into. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. They're addressing it. That's cool. Keep playing the clip for scarecrow. Talk about villains next. And I know about your experiments with the inmates of your nut house. See, I don't go into business with a guy without finding out his dirty secrets. Those guns you used, and I own the muscle in this town. Now, I've been bringing you stuff in for months. So whatever he's planning, it's big, and I want it. Well, I already know what he'll say, that we should kill you. Ah, even he can't get me in here, not in my town. Would you like to see my mask? I use it in my experiments. I'm probably not very frightening to a guy like you, but these crazies. They can't stand it. So when did the nut take over the nut house? They scream, and they cry, which is your day now. Well, he's not faking, not that one. I'll talk to the charges for you if I can get him moved to the secure wing at Arkham. I can't treat him. We're hearing you screaming in the background, don't we? He's not faking it. No. Oh. God, I love that scene so much. How did you guys feel with the mask? That was a perfect homage. It was. I think it was. It was like a potato sack. It was like a potato sack, basically, that he just like, but it looked freaky looking. Like it was actually a very good scarecrow mask. I thought it was very, I mean, was that very legit to the comics the way it looked? Pretty close. Pretty fucking close. Yeah. I don't know how close or they could have gotten into it. I mean, didn't have. Without the hat, the point, you know, as much and it didn't need the hat. No, no. The way it was. It was really well done. And you can see it felt very, very much homemade, which is what he would have had. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was badass to him. He was on a horse. It sounded like the, okay. Oh, yeah. With the glowing eyes. Yeah. Yeah. That was cool. So when he's got the mat, I don't remember when he has the mask on, there's something in his mouth. Right? Like a voice modulator? No, no, no, no. To expel the toxin. Because I know he turns it on, right? But when seeing there's a, so when he's opening up the briefcase, right, you see him actually turn on. He turns like a nozzle. Right. Yeah. The gas. Right. But I don't remember exactly how he actually expelled it. He probably has like a little like a little pouch or something that he presses. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. It's a hand. Was it? Yeah. Because he puts the thing in his mouth and not to breathe it in. Yeah. Okay. And he takes of his own medicine from Batman himself. And then he gets freaked out and seeing like a demon Batman, basically. Yeah. Like all like freaking wet weird looking stuff like that. It's like a car called Batman. Yeah. Yeah. Which was, that was actually really fucking cool looking. Oh, yeah. That Batman version. Yeah. And shit. He was like drooling and shit like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hello. I can't stand Christian bills. I had to bring it up. Here we go. Wait, wait. You don't like Christian bill? No. I don't think he's over. Especially in the, in more movies, he's like swear to me it's just the way he talks and with his list, I can't take it seriously. I'm sorry. Like, especially when he's talking to Harvey does like, like, I think I think you, you look, you listen too much to the, uh, no, no, no, no, no, no, the, uh, the spoof version. No, no, even when I saw it, I thought it was a little overkill on his. His voice. Yeah. But after. So it's like, he's like, I'm going to talk like this. Like you have to differentiate himself from Bruce Wayne, the Pete Holmes Batman. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So do you like Kevin Conroy's version was actually more, I think more, he didn't go as deep though, but he changed his voice, but it was just a deeper voice. It wasn't him going like, or kill, like he was just talking about those problems for a lot of people. Right. I think with him, I think that one, his voice in Batman begins was, was good. I think as it developed though, he got worse. It got worse and worse and more exaggerated. And I'm like, well, then you guys just see this, you see that his mouth is in the first one, like when he's speaking, standing there or speaking, right? It's not speaking, but when he's just sitting, standing there, his mouth is closed for a lot of times. Yeah. And then in the second and third one, you see the mouth. I don't know if either Batman, all right, it reels your listening, it was funny for air. He was going to zask kicked. It's because he couldn't turn his head. That's why he was being choked to death. I would say the Batman cow in Batman begins though, it was a different mask and different, like the first mask you have the path to here, right? Yeah. Yeah. So it restricts your, your neck movements. The second adaptation is a normal, you have your head here, but you have something around your neck. Yep. So it tightens your neck. You can turn your head, but it hurts to breathe and it will change the way you talk. See, but that's why I love Batman versus Superman, because he had the voice modulator. Those assholes did that post op. That was all post. Really? Yes. But I think they did it because of how many people complained about his voice in the dark night trilogy? I guess. A lot. I wasn't a fan of it. I thought it was overkill. I wasn't bothered by it one bit. I like his transition, though, from, like, suit, not to go off subject, but, like, suit-wise, from Batman begins to the very last one. Dark Knight rises. Yeah, the very last one. Like, you see his entire, like, his cowl and his entire suit fucking change. Yeah. Because in the first one, like, he was bigger. It looked like a kind of bulkier a little bit, if you compare the other two. But then he slowly, each one got a little bit slimmer. I think it was something like where they related to more of, like, the way that his stance was almost, like, a panther or something like that in the first one. I would say his body shape- That's why I read about when I changed. Yeah. Yeah. Each time. Because- Because it seemed like he had, like, a- He's going- He had two years in between a couple of films where, like, the mechanic- Machinists. The Machinists. Thank you. The fighter. Where he was fucking Aorexic. No. The fighter. What he did from the- The fighter as well. Yeah. What he did from the Machinist to Batman Begins. That was insane. That was insane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was fucking cool. He did more of, like, almost like a wrestler stance compared to his more skinny build in the other two movies. Well, he's also older, and that shit's heavy. Yeah. If you're all day in that shit, you don't want to be in that shit all day. Yeah. I like the way they addressed it in the third one where he ain't got no more fucking goddamn ligaments, basically, between his fucking knees or elbows, everything's just fucking shot. Yep. That's- Yeah. That fucking makes sense. But I also love- I love the realism. And when Michael Caine says, "Are you going to be coming home every night with all these bruises and, you know- Broken ribs. Broken ribs, because you see him all bruised up everywhere, but he's getting out of bed doing these push-ups and everything and stuff like that, but it shows a realistic side that of getting hurt every night, getting banged up, basically, from all these criminals and stuff like that. But also, when you think about it, I don't know- That's not internal. Yeah. That was funny. It was. Guys, you're wasting your kids up in the fucking morning. Yeah. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. First off, fucking Warner Brothers, I created my own modulator to make that fucking voice myself. Mm-hmm. I didn't have to do the fucking post-op. Fucking pussy lazy ass bitches. Yeah. You should have contacted Goot for that one. Bitches. So everyone loves Scarecrow. Well, like, what everyone would feel about Rachelle Goole. I thought he was amazing. For a character, for a villain that I didn't even know about, I thought he was very- I thought Liam Neeson did a great job. I thought that he was a very commanding voice that he did. He was more of like a down-to-earth type of criminal. He was very like, you know, soft-spoken. He wasn't like hard-spoken or just like that. He was just very soft-spoken about the League of Shadows and everything. I enjoyed him. I thought he was a great villain. I didn't even know anything about him. Was there a rest of Goole in the animated series? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He wasn't an Irish dude. Yeah. There was an episode where he was like standing- there was a guy that was standing near a volcano or near lava. I remember in the animated series. Was that him? That's Bobo. Okay. Maybe I'm thinking of a different character. It's been a while. That's when he captured Robin. Yeah. And like he's testing Batman to be his heir to his throne? Okay. I thought there was- Tally is in love with him. That's his beloved. Her beloved. But you see her in the third movie. It's just bad done. Badly done. Her character? Yeah. It's like Doctor Strange. That's Ross Al Ghul in the animated series. Yeah. It's not Doctor Strange. I know, but it just- his look looks like there's Doctor Strange, but no, I thought- I thought he had a good job. I remember him. Okay. Okay. I remember him. All right. I enjoyed it. But I did not want to take Ross's daughter. I would not want to take her. Why not? Because he has a very particular set of skills. Stupid. This is watching Ron's face reactions. He's okay. Who played Ross? I'll go with the movies. The Amise. What other movies has he played where somebody may have taken his daughter? Oh shit. I want to come and kill you. Yeah. Have a very short set of skills. Yeah. I know. You got it, dummy. It goes over my head. Super mind. Come on. You know that. Snow's just laughing. Tell him because you allow yourself to. Thank you. Appreciate it. Love you best. But no, I thought Liam Nusson did a fantastic job with this character. They're a really interesting tale. I said doing an Irishman, but then it made sense with the story that they spun for Ross. It was different than what it did in- no, as a whole, just passing along and it's like that. Did he train back? Did he train back? You know what I mean? The fact that it was an overall risk was there? Yes. Was there actually a league of showers? What was he in the comments? Oh yes. What was he in the comments? Um, a Arabian basically, I think? Yes. That's his... Yeah. Okay. That's where it came from. Because he became thousands of years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like that. So, but the fact that with the Irishman, and when I heard they cast, you know, Liam DePit, they Ross will go. I'm like, "Hello. Fuckin' they gonna do that." "Hello. Fuckin' they gonna have an Irishman play at the goddamn Ross." All right. They cast the fuckin' White bitch in the Avengers who was supposed to teach Dr. Frig. Oh, you're talking about... The Angel One. The Angel One. The Angel One. I'm like, "What? How the fuck is the Angel One gonna be? It's a White fuckin' bitch. What the fuck is this?" They're all inclusive. Yeah. But this made sense with what they did with a story of Ross, of being passing along the name, not being the same, you know, a mortal character. Well, they were trying to go with the thing with, like I said, I'm jumping into the third movie about Bane being the son of Raza Ghoul, and that wasn't the case at all. No. They never implied they never said anything about it. No, no, but they never implied that at all. That's what he thought. That's what he thought. I know. That's what he thought, but I thought that was interesting on that whole take. No, no, that was an amazing fuckin' distraction. Like twist. Yeah. 'Cause I was waiting that time for Callia. I was waiting for Callia. I was like... Oh, so you were... Unless they were showing her, it's like how important they made her character. I'm like... Son of bitches. All right. And then they tried to, you know, tie Ross to Bane. I'm like, "Bain wasn't tied to Ross." No. What the fuck was going on here at all? That doesn't seem right at all. And then Talia, I'm like, "Ha, ha, ha." So Bane was really nothing. He was kind of a secondary when you think about it. He was basically just the person that saved Talia. The tactician, pretty much tried to destroy Gotham. Yeah. So he... But it didn't really save for sure if this was Talia's plan or if it was Bane's plan. It was Talia. No? It didn't really 100% save for sure. The motivation behind it was on her father, that was her motivation, but it was a really fucking well thought out plan from beginning to fuckin' end. It wasn't amazing. It doesn't follow the comics at all. No, they've had comics like that where they blown the fuckin' bridges and stuff like that. Oh, yes. And Iceland. And Iceland. The city. No mainland. Yeah. A few times, actually. Yeah. But it was a really, really well thought out plan and playing man against themselves, which would be a very Bane-type strategy, but also a very Al Ghul-type strategy, you know, where they are both, they're both really smart and know how to play big picture games. All right. Well, that little dream sequence, well, I guess it was because he thought that he was still alive, Raz al Ghul, and it was actually just him seeing it in his head. You think that was, when you saw that, did you think that it was just a dream? Oh, I knew it was. Yeah. Okay. I was just curious if you thought that it was actually... No, unless they were all of a sudden in the third movie, we're gonna go away from realism, introduce Lazarus, Pitts, and introduce immortality, I'm like, okay, no, this is him hallucinating. Yeah. So they stuck to the reality, the realist, if you. His voice was in his head. Yeah. I would have been upset if they had actually brought Raz back. I would have been upset because that would have changed the entire tone of the trilogy at the last minute. And I'm like, no, this is bullshit. Well, when you think about it, the third movie relates more to the first movie. The second movie is kind of like, hey, it doesn't have anything to do with the first and the second. The first and... No, it's all the same ongoing story, especially about Harvey Dent and the third one. But the fact is, is that the third one brings back characters from the first movie. And Scarecrow is in all three of them. With cameo. Huh? Can, but he's still in the third movie. Yeah. All right. It's still the ongoing story from start to finish of Bruce Wayne and Rajagul and the influence of Gotham being the modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. And that's what Gotham is. We are back. What the fuck you brought that thing back for yourself with the jelly beans? No. We're sharing. Punk? No. Wait, wait. Put it over there. I can't eat that. There's too many watermelons in there. Oh, put me pee. Spicy motor! Fuck! You live long enough to see yourself come around. Come around. Good job. Good job. Fuck! No. You wonder why. Yes, caught black by B.A.B. What were you hoping it was going to go with you? What was the last shot? Oh. Yeah, no. Passes over to snow. What? What? I'll dare you. I said snow! It's a wrong glass, isn't it? No, that's not a cock shot. Oh. It can be whatever they want. Right. Oh, they caught black, but didn't they cock shot? I mean, technically she could put it in a cock. So yeah, the end of Rajagul makes his appearance at Wayne Manor, blows him-- Bruce Wayne blows that shit up-- in the epic fight, then yeah, at the-- one of the best endings of a movie, I got something for you. Gives him the fucking Joker card. Fuck him. Beautiful ending. Yes. That was a very good transition. That was a good ending. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, that was-- yeah, so for the-- that still gives me chills thinking about it, just as you know, that's our callity and all that fun stuff and it just sees the fucking Batman card or the Joker card, sorry, and ah, that's fucking beautiful. So for the second drink, I've brought the Dark Knight called the Dark Knight. This is-- I have one ounce of bourbon, which is four roses. Oh, gosh. Multiple reasons. You know, seal, sing the song Batman Forever, and then, you know, the two roses. Kiss from the rose on the grain. Then the roses he puts for his parents, you know, crime alley. Yeah. So I have one ounce of four roses. I have one and a half ounces of amareo, Montenegro, and I-- Mm-hmm. What is that? I don't know. Okay. I have one lime. Okay. So about three ounces-- three and a quarter ounces of lime juice, and then one and-- one and a half ounces of a-- I made cinnamon syrup this morning. Cinnamon syrup. Interesting. And I have ground garnish-- ground cinnamon for garnish. Nice. I might call it the Dark Knight. I found the wrong line. Okay. Okay. I was like-- I was looking for a Dark Knight cocktail. I figured it'd be more darker than this for a Dark Knight cocktail. I saw all the ingredients. I'm like, this is a perfect summer drink. Let's fucking go. All right. And it's, like, rimmed with cinnamon? Ground cinnamon. Now, are we letting snow deliver the shot prior to this? It'll be after. I need to taste the first. They don't matter what you say. I'm asking the rest of the guys. You know what? I don't want her whatever concoction to ruin Goot's drink. Oh, this is a delicious drink. I agree. Thank you. Okay. So. Thank you. Because I know I'm-- like, whatever she's making is like, I'm gonna fucking hate. I don't know. You may get-- you may get lucky. I already saw a fucking true watermelon shit. Anything with watermelon fucking sucks. Goddamn it. Milled. Really not. Yeah. You can see the cinnamon. Yeah. Oh, wow. Rook. All right. Cheers. I love cinnamon. Ooh, this is a two. That's a two. Thank you. That is really good. It's okay. No, I do. It's a two. But it's okay. That's the fastest two of my life. It's a two. I think it's still still a two every now and then. The rimming of the cinnamon. Asshole. That is always nice. It is. All right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. [laughter] A good rim job. Yeah. No, you know what it tastes like? Pumpkin pie. What? Yeah. [laughter] And maybe I have different taste buds than you guys, but I'm here. Fuck. It's the most fresh. All right. Because... Maybe it's the cinnamon. I don't know. No way on earth. That tastes like pumpkin pie. Okay. No. Well, it's a cinnamon taste on the top. That's what got it for me. I like cinnamon on my pumpkin pie. That does. Yes. It's tart too. I think it does a little bit too much long for me personally. I like it. I think it's a little bit too much long. I like it. It's taken away from everything else. It's kind of nice. It's nice. I don't think it's got too much lime. I think it's nice. Is it three quarters ounce per glass? Yeah. Okay. That's one lime per drink. One lime per drink? Okay. Yeah, because I remember you asking me, could you only have three? Yeah. I like the cinnamon rim. Two. It's good. It's very, very tasty. I'll give it a one. Look at that. I think a lot of it's overpowering. All right. I think it's taken away from everything else. You don't like the cinnamon taste to it? Are you a fan of cinnamon? I have no problem with cinnamon. Okay. And I said nothing negative about the cinnamon. I think. That's fine. I'm just curious. If you like cinnamon. What? The cinnamon, you don't like cinnamon? Why the fuck can you say? No, I said you don't like cinnamon. I said, do you like cinnamon? That's all I ask. That's all I ask. Before that, you said what? You don't like cinnamon? I never said anything about the cinnamon. Oh, I didn't realize I said that. Me personally, I think the lime is just a little bit too much. Maybe if you had halved the lime, I think everything else then would flow a lot brighter. But, I feel the lime is just a little bit too much of a tartness, too strong of a tartness aspect. It kind of almost closes the, I guess, whatever the fucking arteries are, not arteries but. You know what it is? Capillaries? You know what it is right now. I bet if you were still smoking, right? Your taste buds would totally disagree with you. But now that you've essentially almost stopped smoking as much, well, you have stopped smoking as much. But if you've stopped, it totally changes your taste buds because they're actually your taste buds. No, it does. It does. Dead in the fucking casing. Oh, my God. You might be right. Holy shit. You might have a difference. But no, because goop is not a smoker. No. He's done. So I can't say for sure then because if goop isn't enjoying it, then it wouldn't be that the dead and taste buds is what's a lot of love. Yeah, but they're coming back to life, so it's changing a lot of things for you. And I don't even know what to say. Capillaries might be the best thing, but we need to taste something really bitter and you have that, like, the top of the jaw. I know what you're talking about. That twinge. Yeah. Yeah. I'm tightening right there. I think it's just a little bit too much. And I feel that. You know, it's taken away from the rest of it. I know exactly what you're saying because whenever I have something sour, I always have that tightening, but then every single time I'm eating afterwards, I don't have that tightening anymore. It's always at the first time. Like, even on a Granny Apple Smith -- I keep having sift with this and I have a sip, I feel the tightening. Oh, see, I'm not feeling at all. It's just a little bit too much. If the lime was halved, I would personally enjoy it better. All the flavors are really working well together, I just think the lime is overpowering. I think it's perfect, honestly. Two. All right, so you get every one and a half? One. One. Or one. Oop. That's definitely two. This is -- like I said, I found this whole line. I thought it'd be, like, a perfect summer drink. It is. And, yeah, I made it for my life this morning because she was curious. Very nice. Yeah. So she loves it. She's like, "Damn, that's good." I'm like, "Good. You made it this morning for her?" Wait, it fucking starts the morning? I love it. It's absolutely. Yeah, it's two thumbs up. I'm going to make this all summer. I have a whole, like, jar of, like, cinnamon syrup. I'm like, "Got to use it." What were the ingredients again? Other than cinnamon? You said cinnamon syrup? Listen to the episode, and you'll find out. Why? Urban and more gendry and -- I have meat grows. Meat grows in it, apparently. The fuck? Am I wrong? Just break the certain flavor. Am I wrong? So, yeah, I have one ounce of four rosus bourbon, three point seven five ounces of amorero mutinegro. Negro? One lime. Negro. What is that? Which is Negro without the accent? And then one ounce. One half ounce of cinnamon syrup. One half ounce of amorero mutinegro. Here we go. And you made the cinnamon syrup. You, like, boiled and everything. Oh, yeah, fresh. That's pretty cool. I didn't even know. That's awesome. I like the cinnamon rim on there. I think that really adds to the taste. It does. It's Italian. That's really good. Okay. Bitter, spicy, herbiscus, floral. What? I mean, this is it. Stop bugging with my. What is? There we go. So, I was pointed out to a very summery drink. It's a citrusy combination. Called a whiskey smash. Have you tried that? I got great whiskey sour. So, hold on. Wait, yes I am. Oh, yeah. My wife's made that. All right. So, it's three lemon wedges. Two ounces of bourbon. Three quarter ounce of simple syrup. Four mint leaves. And then garnish with mint. Muddled lemon wedges and a shaker at bourbon. Simple syrup. Mint leaves and ice and shake well until chilled. Double strain and rock sacks over fresh ice. And then garnish with a mint sprig. And then also you could muddle the and activate the mint leaves. But supposedly it's supposed to be a very bright, very bright refreshing whiskey drink. That's almost like a. Sour? No. Yes, sort of. But. Hey. What's my fucking favorite drink? Oh, he told. Oh, he told. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Yes. Yeah. That's what I was figuring in my mind. The closest thing I could do, but with a whiskey back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds like the only difference. Yeah. And it is just adding whiskey. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why I want to try this summer. Just try that out because I think that'd be very nice. I'm refreshing. Sounds it. I'm very curious. You got to tell us because your taste buds. I'm curious. Your taste buds would have changed. I mean, they're waking up. They're waking up. They're waking up. Yeah. Things are going to be tasting a lot differently. You got these gins that you want to do. Jim. Jim might taste different now. Might taste even better. Might taste worse. Huh? All right. What's the shot? Yes. It's watermelon something. It's pink. I think I'm going to do it. It's fair. Right now. I'm looking at it. I'm not saying do a gen shot right now. That's what I thought too. I'm down. Yeah. All right. Cheers to BAC since they made me the drink. All right. So, what gins do I have here? Well, you only have a couple. You got Gordon's. You got that Savilla orange. You got the Emintem-- Imagination. Imagination. Sorry. Imagination. That's it. A lot of them you took home. That's the only gins I have. I don't take-- Really? I don't take-- We don't take-- We have the gins from the previous house. Your house. But I don't take gins home. Oh, you got that one that you did for Alien. Yeah. All right. Yeah, that's it. You only got these four right here. Anybody want some gin? Yes, please. What type of gin would you like? I'll let you choose as the host. Imagination. Imagination. What did you do that for? I did that for baseball. Oh, yeah. It's like almost a full bottle here. Yeah. Yeah, we only had-- Yeah, it was just for baseball. And that's right. You weren't part of baseball, were you? No. Nope. All right. Take your shot. Yeah. Ron. Go ahead and hit me up one, two, if you don't mind. Would you like one? I would. Actually, thank you. I'm not that serious. I don't like watermelon. Water stuff in here. Cheers to BAC. Oh, God, that's really watermelon. Oh, God. Is the mohlord helping it stay? I don't even taste the mohlord. Do you feel that pucker in the back of your jaw right there? No. You don't feel a pucker in the back of your jaw right there? No. You don't feel a pucker in it. Well, it's my watermelon reaction. I had that reaction over it. Okay. Plus Everclear. Plus Everclear. This past Thursday for-- Oh, that's it. Oh, that's it. Everclear and mohor. I took one sip. I thought about what's a drink. I think it's delicious to me. Oh, the original watermelon? It does. It does. It's a good thing for you. I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with me? Yeah. Fuck. I don't know why I said it to you. I'll drink this because it's a fucking pussy. I don't like watermelon. Okay. It makes me sick. It makes me so yummy. Anyways. So, second movie. Dark Knight. The intro wasn't fucking amazing. Like, I've seen this movie in theaters. It brought me back to heat. It does. Yeah. He's an inspireable Michael man. He looks up to Michael Mann. It's almost a shop or shop of comics. But it's Joker. Heath Ledger takes it to a whole new level. I mean, just the intro alone. It's one of the best intros in a movie ever done. Yeah. It just goes right into it. Like, you have these dogs dressed as clown masks and they're talking old school. Yeah. And it's just telling the stories of the Joker. Like, it's fucking all sort of shit about him. Yeah. Yeah. You know? That one shot where the camera is like creeping right on Heath Ledger from the back and he's just standing there. He's standing there. He's looking down and all of a sudden he puts his mask on and jumps on. I love that shot. And I remember seeing this in theater because I mean, I think me and you saw this at the theater over in a cousin's corner, the the old theater. I think so. That's why we saw that. And just seeing this in the theater, just seeing Heath Ledger as a Joker. Amazing. Like, it was a, like. And we had no idea that Ledger was going to knock it out the fucking part of the way. Well, there was a lot of controversy about that. It was just like, you know, with Michael Keaton as Batman, then you had the Heath Ledger and Heath Ledger's like, broke back, mountain, night's tail. Why would he be the fucking Joker? But he blew it out of the fucking part. Yeah. His acting was great. And I remember you were so dug in to Jack Nicholson, Joker. You were so dug in before this, um, and we came out and I'm like, no, we got to keep it open on. We don't know what they're going to, because I already knew the totally different versions of Joker that we could see. Yeah. Well, we talked about this. I know. We talked about this in the, in the Joker character study and how each Joker has a different side. That's why I was telling you, you have to keep an open mind before we went to see it, because you were dead set that it's going to be Jack. It's going to be Jack. But think about it though, it's almost, it's he, if you compare, and we've already done this. Yeah. But if you compare Heath Ledger, Heath Ledger, Heath Ledger, Heath Ledger's Joker, right? They're both gangsters. No, they absolutely are both fucking gangsters, dude. I see Heath Ledger more of a terrorist, more of a gangster. No, not even close. Really? I want to say terrorist. No, say anarchist. Yes. He wants to cause as much shit, even his own description, he's like, I'm just a dog chasing a car. Yeah. I don't know what to do with it. But he just said that was his own logic. It made sense. He's like, you schemers, you want to plan, and like that, you deserve all this shit. I'm not a schemer. I'm not, I don't have any plans that I just want to do for doing. Yeah. That's a little... I'm like, yes. Turn it upside down. Yes. That is a man of a word. I'm an anarchist right there. Yeah. And I love that. But he is a gangster because he even says, what am I supposed to do? Rip off gangsters or rape off mobsters? That's boring. Yeah. Well, that's an idea. Yeah. He's already done that. Yeah. So he needs the challenge. But also the thing is that he loves Batman. You know, he says, especially when he's in the interrogation scene. He loves what Batman has allowed him to become. Yeah. Because he says he wants to get rid of him. He's like, I don't want to get rid of you. I love you. I just... Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Is this in this universe? The who? Jeremy Gwire. You complete it. You complete it. You complete it. Show me the money. Dude, I want to laugh my ass off. I'm going to cough. I'm like shit. No, that is a good lie. You complete me. Joker or Batman? Oh. When Joker says it. Why did you do that voice then? Because I was trying to do the Joker voice. That was a bad joke or voice. That was a bad joke or voice. That was a bad joke or voice. You complete me. Yeah. I don't know. I'm trying to do your little voice. Ron, I can't do it. You sound like you're about to fucking attack my kids. It's funny. I don't want to hurt you. Okay. No, you're not coming over anymore. No longer. No longer. No. No. You're your nephew. Jesus Christ. I tried. I tried to do the Joker voice. Exactly. I'm worried you tried. I can do that. I can do the Batman voice though. I can do that. I can do that. I think I'll do that pretty well. Joker. Oh my God. That voice you had is the same voice that I picture when you're clean-shaven that comes out of your mouth. Oh my God. Oof. That makes me scared. Exactly. When Ron is clean-shaven- Oh, fuck you. It sucks. My kids even hate it. Yeah. But you have to admit, you look very kitty- What the fuck? You look kitty-friendly. Hey, I'm giving you a warning right now. Do not fall asleep, drunk at a party. Oh no. Oh, that would- I would- I would do that with your shoes on. Okay. Okay. Okay. Refresh. I'm just telling you right now. Okay. I'm curious too. Awkward silence. Oh, oh, you know, that- all right, fuck me. You can- He doesn't know. I know. It's fine. No. I don't know everything. You don't have your shoes on, that means you're passed out. Yeah. If you have your shoes on- Oh no, I'm sorry. If you don't have- If you have your shoes off, you're sleeping. Yeah. If you have your shoes on, that means you're passed out in fair game. That's a new note to take care of now. No. That's always been a thing. That's a logical point. This is the first one I've heard of that. Really? Yeah. What the fuck, College Boy? All right. When you go to sleep. I never passed out. I got home passed out. You got home. You got home. You got home. You got home. You took your shoes off and you laid down. Right? Yeah. Exactly. You went to sleep. You didn't pass the fuck out. I see what you're saying. Yeah. See, we may say that we got home and passed the fuck out, but, you know, we always go to sleep. You know, but you pass out at a party with your shoes on. It means your fair game. Even the highlighter show. I remembered enough to go home, take my shoes off, take my contacts out, and then flop on the fucking bed. All right. I passed out on your couch and I had my shoes off. I was passed out of my couch, too. I don't remember shit. We both passed out right. That was crazy. We both. I think I would drink. Oh, yeah. It was his fucking party. I think we were drinking bourbon's all fucking day. Like all day. Yeah. Who fucked up your toilet? What? What are you doing to your toilet? I don't know. Uh-huh. The toilet downstairs was flooding because it got knocked off the bed. What? So, Adam and me and Sammy were all cleaning it up. And we were upstairs passed out drunk. Yeah. It was flooded out. We used to have a towel at our house, the shop bag. No. What the fuck did he do? The wife. What do you do? Grab the toilet when he was puking or something? Yeah. Well, that's a great story. Right now, I'm fighting. I didn't know your toilet was- I have breaking right now. I didn't know your toilet was pulled out of the fucking floor. That's fucking crazy. No, I think the opening sequence was great. I thought it was kind of funny how the bus just slammed right through the bank and then pulled out and everything was just fine and the buses were just going in sequence. Yeah. Nothing happened. Yeah. Like, nothing happened. I thought that was very interesting. I thought the whole sequence altogether was very cool. What I like about it is from the first one, it's kind of a slow build, you know? And then you get to this one here where it starts off action and it's just non-s fucking stop. But it was a really smart opening too. It really was. Yeah. You know, I was told to kill this guy. I was told to kill this guy. I was told this guy. I bet you did what told you to kill me too. Oh, no, I'm killing the bus driver. Yeah. Bus driver. That's fucking smart. That's fucking smart. I love that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was good. He is out of now ignoring all the lore and canon prior to like all the comics and animated answers. The Joker, this version of him would, I would argue he is probably one of the smartest ones that is being portrayed. Yes and no, I can understand the argument, but what I enjoyed most about this portrayal is they went into leaning the fact that Batman being Batman, Batman existing, is what led to the rise of super villains and Gotham. If Batman had never fucking stepped up, you'd still have the regular everyday fucking gangsters regular everyday fucking people knocking over fucking liquor stores. But without having this masked vigilante, you wouldn't have the Joker, you wouldn't have the Riddler, you wouldn't have the two faces, you wouldn't have these insane level fucking goddamn villains and feel it's okay. Two face. Absolutely. Yeah. Two face. The thing is two face was kind of a, he was a hero for Gotham and then he became a villain because of everything that happened and stuff like that. And the thing is about Joker, which by the way, the introduction was Joker was, even though that was the introduction right there, you didn't really, you saw off space like briefly for like two, three seconds, but his introduction to Michael J White's character, the gangster of Gotham, the pencil trick, that was by far the best introduction. The crime meeting. That by far, when we were sitting in the theater and watching it, I was like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That was fucking awesome. Like you, I mean, you were like, wow. That was like, what the fuck is this so quick and unexpected, but it fit the character so goddamn much. And the thing is, I had, and I was leaning over to you because I know how much of a fan that you are of Batman and you were really hesitant to see what he was going to pull off. And he pulled off a great Joker, a completely different Joker, a completely different Joker. When you think Jack Nicholson, he's more campy, more cartoony, more gangster, but this one is more like, but his character though, and I say this a lot in a lot of our, in a lot of our reviews, is that you need to remember the timeframe of when like the movies are. Yeah. Jack Nicholson's Joker fit that exact timeframe of when it came out. The lady of the show, you know, Heath Ledger's Joker fit the exact timeframe for when this movie came out. It's time though. But I think this is timeless. You can watch anytime. This is so reliable. No, no, no, no, you can't absolutely steal the show, but what I mean by fit, he fits the timeframe is that when when you think of 80s, right, for Jack Nicholson, okay, his character, the way that he is portrayed in the way that everything I get you, you know, and then with Heath Ledger's character, like it's, it's good. It's very similar, but it's a complete 180. Yeah. You know, what time period would you put this out then in the time frame that it came out with? 2000s. Yeah. This is the Joker from a Joaquin Phoenix. What would you say that would be because that was a complete, that was more psychotic. This was more anarchy. Jack Nicholson. So Joaquin Phoenix is Joker. I would put that in the modern timeframe. Reason being is because the hit, he has the mental issue, right. And with the time when this, when that one there came out, you know, you're looking at a lot of light being shown to mental health issues, right, not like they were back in like the 70s. Yeah. You know, the 70s is it was go outside, fucking get dirty, brook some dirt on it, suck the fuck up. Yeah. Fine. You're not broke. You're not bleeding. Right. You're not dead. Fucking what are you crying about? You know, now it's a complete fucking opposite. You know, you're, you're going to have these fucking hit those types of mental health issues fucking brought the light, which that movie did. Yeah. And when the, uh, the second Batman came out, you had a lot of fucking talk of anarchy and anarchists. Yeah. Around the world. So this, this Joker here fits that fucking timeframe. I can see. Well, I agree day though, even today's time period, it was, his Joker would actually fit very well now. Okay. Well, then what, what would the Joker be for, uh, the deleted scene that was, uh, in Robert Patterson's Batman? I hate that fucking version. Oh, you don't like that version? No. Stu, what do you think? Very broken. Yeah. Of that. Of that Joker. Yeah. I guess you that took being really fun. Cool. I see him becoming very fucking amazing. I want to like that actor a lot to this is early, early Joker, talk about a proto-joker. Yeah. And then becoming into that role and a, uh, absorbing that role and accepting it is like, you know, fuck it. Let's go. Let's go fucking balls deep in this bitch. Yeah. I could see that, that character, that actor showing an amazing ride. I really can. But I have to agree with Gouda on this about Heath Ledger is that he was an iconic Joker. The Joker when he, when he was released when this first came out, everybody was shocked because of the actor that portrayed him. And he blew it out of the park to the point where he even won a fucking, a post, uh, post, what's it called? A post, both of you? Yeah. Oscar and everything else. He, and he died and they even say that this role killed him because he was so dedicated. I think he even said that they said that's what they say, but they also, now, I got an addiction of drugs is what's fucking killed him. That's true. All right. That's not okay. That's fine. All mental fucking shit, which he, but let me ask you this, let me ask you this, let me ask you this. But no, do not fucking blame any one role. I'm not blaming it. This is what I'm, what I'm hearing. But what do you think about this thing where he says that when he made his Joker, he actually watched Clockwork Orange. No, would you see that? The market. When I talk about Clockwork Orange. You know what? I'm so alive. Barely. No, I'm not talking about the death. I'm talking about how he did, how he made his Joker. It's got a little bit of Malcolm McDowell's clock. A little bit. As far as you see that, he loves to watch the word world burn, and that's the, that's his fucking motivation. All right. That I can understand. And that I can understand the anarchist Joker. Right. All right. But you're talking Ragnar earlier about each Joker fit the time frame they're in. Yeah. All right. I'm going to disagree. Each Joker may have been inspired by the time frame they were in. But can you imagine Jared Leto's Joker back in the 1980s? How much fucking fear that character would have put into the regular citizens? I didn't even think about that. Versus the citizens nowadays. All right. Well, yeah. You know, because Jared Leto is our closest to our modern time Joker. I thought he did good as Joker, especially in the last sequence that they did for Justice League, the ending sequence right there when he's going against Batman, or when he's talking to Batman at the end of the post-apocalyptic scene, I thought he did a great job. But imagine the Jared Leto where Harley Quinn is fucking, you know, going into the water and she's like that. That Jared Leto, and that would have been very different. All right. And it's fucking with people. How insane and terrifying that motherfucker would have been. Absolutely. Everybody. Oh, yeah. All right. So I'm not even saying it's the Joker that fits the modern time. I'm just saying it's the Joker that shows different embodiments of the character. Yeah. All right. And they've all done amazing well, and we talked about the snare Joker episode. You'd have the gangster Joker, you have the psychotic Joker, which was Jared Leto. You have the fucking anarchist Joker, which was Heath Ledger. All right. You have these different jokers all fighting against each other and they all serve their own reason to exist. Yep. And they're all timeless, realistically. Yeah. They really are. Yeah. Any one of them could be at any fucking time and you can believe how how wonderfully they would work. Yes. Whether it's terrifying, whether it's just watching the world burn or whether it's straight criminal. Yeah. All right. You're like, yeah. That makes sense. They're smart. There's somebody who's enjoying what they're fucking doing. That makes sense. Anyway, guys, listeners, listen to episodes 69, the many faces, the Joker character. 69. 69, bitch. Yes. The many faces, the Joker. Goat was a amazing host for that episode where we did the many faces of Joker episode and I'll tell you our little arguments about Joker and I think that's a very good episode. So if you guys want to go back, I don't think there were any arguments in that one. No arguments. But I say there was a good banter about the Joker and everything else and then the differences and stuff like that between all the jokers. Yeah. That's a good episode to go back to. Thank you. It was three drinks. This was. Oh, this one. You did a good job. Two. Okay. The only one that. Fuck you, man. It was good. I'm not going to just fucking go along with the crowd and shit like that. I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing anything. What the fuck is that shit? You're putting to me? It's okay. I'm not good. I said two bucks. Hey, I was a person. What is it? You ask. It's okay. Fucking asshole. Anyway, it's back to the movie. Damn. When I say it's okay. One. Yeah. So is you what? Okay means. Yeah. It was excellent. Spectacular. Stupendous. You know? Elegant. Glowing. Yeah. There you go. That sounds so gay. Just like candy. You just ruined it. Fuck you. God damn. Canvas ruin for me now. No you will not. I'm still doing gamut. Good. Gay. I love the chest mass between both of them. This is the way it was shot. You have one shot there. It was not adult me. I can't say that anymore. It wasn't an adult scene. There are some dull scenes. But it's just the action. You're sucked in. You're like, there's one scene joker. Batman. Joker. Batman. Joker. Batman. It was fucking well done. Well shot. I just fucking love it. I just fucking love it. Yeah. Which we have a clip of actually. Never start with the head. The victim gets all fuzzy. You can't feel the next. See. You wanted me. Here I am. Hey. I wanted to see what you do. And you didn't disappoint. You let five people die. Then you let them take your place. Even to a guy like me. That's cold. The worst end. Those mobfels want you gone so they can get back to the way things were. But I know the truth. There's no going back. You've changed things. Forever. And why do you want to kill me? I don't want to kill you. What would I do without you? Go back to ripping off mob dealers. No. No. No. You. You were complete. Me. You're garbage. You're gills for money. Don't talk like one of them. You're not. Even if you'd like to be. He's very accurate though. Yes he is. Like me. They need you right now. When they don't, they'll cast you out. Like the leper. See, they're morals. They're code. It's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these civilized people, they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve. Where's dude? Have all these rules and you think they'll save you. There's in control. I have one rule. Oh, then that's the rule you have to break to know the truth. Which is? The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules. And tonight you're going to break your one rule. I'm considering it. I know there's only minutes left here. You're going to have to play my little game if you want to save one of them. You know, for a while there, I thought you really were redundant. The way you threw yourself after her. Look at you go. Because Harvey know about you and his little bully. Where are they? Killing is making a choice. Where are they? It is between one life or the other. Your friendly district attorney or his bushing right to be. You have nothing, nothing to threaten me with. The scariest line ever. You have nothing to threaten me with. Yeah, that's fucking great. I think. But you know what, the scene with him in Too Faced in the hospital was also a great scene with him. The best acting job ever. Oh, my God, improv. You fucking recognize the Joker when he walks in wearing fucking all that makeup in a face mask. Yeah, it was cute. And being surprised by it. Yeah, my high little red head. Yeah. My wife Sammy actually dressed up like that, actually, like Too Faced. Oh, no, what is Joker? Oh, she did a female version of the the nurse. We don't need to know about your, what happens in the bedroom. Okay, this was a Halloween fucking thing. So I was laughing a lot. It was a fucking at Halloween. Yeah, it was. You were saying how some people say this is a role that killed Heath. I don't know why it entered my head. His last movie was Imaginearium of Dr. Parnassus. Oh, I know. I know. I know. It was what? I got to think the Imaginearium of Dr. Parnassus. It's a Terry Gilliam film. It's actually a good movie. The Imaginearium of Dr. Parnassus. Of Dr. Parnassus. Okay. It's a, it's actually a good film because it's a really good film and Johnny Depp and a few other actors stepped in to play the role that he didn't, because he, he died. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How many fucking people are talking here? Johnny Depp. Goddamn. Jude Law, Johnny Depp. And who else? Fuck. That stepped in. Oh, Colin. Colin Farrell. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Colin Farrell. Yeah. You cannot say his name, can you? I said Colin Farrell. At the first time. It was, it was a really good movie. It was, it was, it was creative and you had some magic shit going on. And so they ended up cutting it where he fledgers was in the real world. And then once it entered the Imaginearium world, then these other characters play the same character as him, but just in the magic world as set. And then all the money that they made to play the character, they donated to Heath Ledger's daughter. Okay. All right. So. Oh, nice. It's got, it's got Christopher Plummer in it. It's actually a really good movie. Really well done. The same director of 12 Monkeys. But then I was starting to think technically that's the role that killed Heath Ledger. Well, he didn't get the light-hearted, weird film is a role that he took so seriously. Yeah. He OD'd on. Yeah. He didn't get to finish the scenes. The funny thing about that is all about, like, it's not funny about his death, but, but like the mystery behind it is that everyone always says, you know, just like you said, this is the role that killed him, you know, is that he took this role so fucking serious. You know, yeah, he may have been a method actor. But like, there's been, like, there's been a few incidents interviews with other actors on set. One of them was Eric Roberts. Yeah. And he even said that to basically debunk all of the news or talk about rumors and shit about him being on set that he was always like in character, he was like, no, every time I saw the kid, he was happy. He was smiling, he was happy skateboarding, you know, yeah. So, like, yeah, I can say that, man, though, like all the fucking shit saying that, you know, this, like, he was extremely depressed, he may have been depressed. And that's not very far-fetched. But the fact that, like, he was always, like, very melancholy and just down and so on and so forth, you know, is like, no, I have never seen that once on set. And I was on set a lot. Yeah. So. Well, it's, it's just talk of mouth, basically what they think, basically on what they think that happened and everything else. But the fact is, is that he-- So, like, this is still from his final film. Huh. Interesting. It's actually a decent movie. It's even got Andrew Garfield in it, one of his early roles. Like, young Andrew Garfield. Yeah. It's actually a really good-- I'm a big Terry Gilliam fan. I actually am a fan of all-- I'm sure you are too. Yeah, I love him. And he's one of the Mighty Python crew. And he-- it's actually a really interesting take in the fact that Jude Law and Colin Farrell and-- Who did him? Terry spent over a decade trying to get this film made. Yeah. Then he finally got the financing, he finally got the acting and then he fucking killed himself. Yeah. Oh, I mean, he's like, fuck! Yeah. So they kept his scenes in. Fuck! Exactly. But these three actors came in and said, okay, we'll finish it. All right. Yeah. But the three actors doing like basically a tribute to Heath Ledger for that role because in the imaginary world and it actually turned out to be-- it was cool because it changed his image and he even made it look like that-- like, why do I look like this? Yeah. Everything else. But actually, they had to change that with the writing, but it was a good movie. And that is his last film. You're right. Yeah. And-- but the thing is, Heath Ledger was really dedicated to this role. I think he did a fucking amazing job. And a lot of people turned him down and fucking thought that, why would he get casted as Joker? What? Do you think he told the truth at all during of how he got the scars? No. Absolutely not. No, it was always a story, just a-- it was something different each time. So-- Well, you know what? Maybe one of those stories? No. Do you think any of those stories were truth? No. Maybe one of those stories may have been close to the truth. I don't think-- I don't think it was all that-- His exaggeration is over-dramatizing of how we got them for each one is-- well, you know, obviously well far-fetched. Yeah. But I think some portion of one of those stories is true. What do you think, Goop? Tall bullshit. Yeah. He'll tell a story just to get sympathy from you. Yeah. Or to make you feel a certain way. Right. I mean, everything he says is a lie. I mean-- Is it though? Yeah. He just tripped and fell on lawnmower. That's all it was. Really? You didn't know-- because you didn't even know we-- Well, that was an MTV sitcom. What's the scene that he was inside the police? Yeah, we had the lawnmower blazed stuff. The jail shell. The jail shell, but they couldn't find any identification form or anything. He burns it off. There was his fingerprints. Yeah. That was to keep the origin, that his origin completely mysterious. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know 100% for sure. We don't even know how old he is. Exactly. He could be 1,000 years old. Tommy Wiseau. Who? Yeah. Yeah. He is Tony Wiseau. You're right. Because you don't know who Tony is. Who? Tony Wiseau? Tommy Wiseau. Tommy. God damn it. You don't know. Oh, you son of a bitch. You fucked it up, you asshole. So close. I said, Tommy. No. I was like, Tony. All right. But you correcting it, stop me from doing it a third time. Oh. You fucking idiot. Oh. Damn. Why can I? That's my fault. It is. One thinking. It is your fault. Ah. We got a person. We got away with that. What are we doing? What are you doing? Keep going. Oh. All right. Go ahead. So yeah, everything he says is like an homage to the character because he'll say something to twist it. Mm-hmm. But you can either, it's up to the user, you either believe it or don't believe it. It's the time. You're like, you're still sucking into it. You're like, holy shit, is that true? Right. It's not until like the Joaquin Phoenix version, you're like, you question it, then you start watching all the people say like, you watch the different versions of his hand. You move a certain hand is true. Yeah. It's not true. Yeah. So it's like, fucker. You watch with what Henny's smoking with. We'll change it. Yeah. But it's all psychological. Well, there's another thing is that a lot of people say about these movies is that he's led your really, you know, pulled out of the, you know, that he was a stealer of the show, basically. He was. But Aaron Eckhart also did a fucking great amazing job as Too Faced. I thought he did. I mean, what did you think of Aaron Eckhart, though? He did an amazing job. I mean, this, this kind of falls into the long Halloween storyline that this focus on the aspect of like, you know, there's Batman, Jim Gordon, and Harvey Dent. Yeah. I love the relationship of the most of his three. Right. So that's what that's been to the Joker part. I love how they leave it open ended. There's no origin. There's no comic book reference to it. This is the anarchist. Yeah. Um, I love the relationship between Nolan and Ledger. Yeah. Because that's the first time they worked together and like they've been wanting to work together for years. Right. So that's why in the third movie, he does the Joker supposed to be in the third movie. I would have loved if they cut this up and made another movie out of it. Like a part two. Yeah. That I've been fucking banger. I'm sure there's deleted scenes too that I would love to see, but he's never released him. I would have loved this. He won't. I'm sure if there are, nobody will ever see him. Which sucks because I'm sure there are amazing scenes with us. I'm sure they are. But out of respect, he will never, yeah, he won't ever show it because the fans are begging from to like, will you at least talk about what happened to him? What will happen to the Joker in the third movie? I'm going to talk about it. Well, see, the thing you don't know, even at the end of the second one, you don't know. Was this funny? The funny thing about the end, and I was actually watching this with Sammy earlier, is that the ending of Heath Leather's Joker is kind of similar, but in a different way to the original Batman because they're both on a high building, gets thrown off the building just like Jack Nicholson. He doesn't die. He's hanging on a rope or hanging on the, uh, what's it called for? The Grapple Gun, but they're both thrown off a building. I found that extremely interesting in how that was similar to the original Batman movie. That it was on a tall building that they had a fight on the top of the building just like in the original 1989 Batman. That's part of the reshoots. Yeah. Like that was him, not him, but when he's twirling, like they, there's a few instances in this movie. They shot an IMAX, right? Yeah. Like the camera doesn't pick up the voices too well. So they had to like, he had like sub it in, post credit, post credit, yeah, shit. Okay. So you can tell a few times like you, you don't see someone, let's move. You hear a voice. Yeah. It's like, what the fuck? You'd be really sharp minded to catch it. Yeah. See, that's not to jump forward to the next one, but that's what I thought it was with Bane. Yeah. A lot of times because it, it sounds so fucking weird. They had absolutely record post recording. Yes. Well, if you, so while I was watching it, I was paying close attention. Like after the first, from the first moment you see him, and then like, he's just started speaking, you know? And then after that, I started paying attention to work because in his mask, you have where his jawline is right that slit where it's open. I kept paying attention, like anytime he would speak, that's the only portion that I would pay attention to. Shit, to like see his fucking muscles move and such, and like, I'd actually see. So he actually did speak in the mask, but then you can tell that it would be not a third of the lines, 100% what we're doing. Yes. So you can absolutely tell that it's post credit. It's like Darth Vader when you think of Darth Vader because you have, no, that was fucking, what's his name, speaking in the goddamn suit? No, but he was speaking in the suit, but then James Jones, according to the line, the name, that would have been interesting, James, that was recorded in the line at the bay. No, it would have been, dude, it would have been, it would have been funny if Sam Jackson was doing it. I'm on a fucking, I will break you, I'm on a fucking city, I'm on a fucking, damn. No, but I don't know. I do like the fact that I'm curious, I should say, what it would have been, the third film would have been if Joker, if he leds or hadn't had died. Yeah. Because from my understanding- He was gonna be an arm of asylum, right? Yeah. Well, no, he would have been a judge, he would, because Scarecrow was a judge, he would have been the judge because there's no man's land. This is a storyline in the comics or graphic novel of where he's like a judge, he's caused so much chaos, and Jim Gordon actually kills him, because he kills his wife, Joker kills Jim Gordon's wife, so he had enough, he had a bad day. That would have been interesting. So he was originally gonna be a character in the third movie. When I understood, though, with the different reading, it was in Bane and shit like that, Batman would have ended up going to see Joker for basically advice on how to deal with Bane's sort of the way Batman and the Robert Pattinson end up seeing Barry Cogan scarecrow. So basically, like a science of Lambs moment. Yeah. You know, dealing from one psychopath to another, to another, how to fucking handle this shit and would have given him advice as a mentor-ish to Batman. All right. Like with him. Yeah. But either way, that's where he was supposed to be playing- But see, that fits the- That's all in there with their fucking relationship. Yeah. Exactly. Because it's funny because the Joker sees him as like this, in the ying yang. Yeah. Batman sees him and sees them as fucking water and oil, but eventually, it kind of fucking starts to come over to ying yang. Yes. In Batman's view. Yeah. You know. Which is why- In other versions. I like to think of that idea versus killing in, you know, judge character would have been fucking Joker. You know, no, I much prefer the idea of Batman seeking out Joker for his advice on how to deal with Bane and the whole situation. Do you think that- That just regards with the aspect of Alfred though. Because why would he go to him to do that? Because Alfred can't think exactly the way a blue psychopath. He warned him, this man is younger than you, stronger than you, and he will hurt you. But he is a younger version of what you used to be. All right. Yeah. Joker would have been able to point him on the mentality. And I don't care, I don't care physically how strong or fit you may be. If I can start to thank you and know how your mind operates, then I can take you down. And because then I can start predicting what your next moves are going to be, and I can know how to respond to that. But I have to be able to get into your head, get into your mind space. And Joker would have been able to open the door to that psychopathy that Bane has. We not do the genius, but that's where Bruce Wayne's own genius level intellect could come in. So, but he needed a way into the psychopathy that he can't picture himself. He won't allow himself. Yeah. It's not that he can't picture. It's not come to him naturally. Yeah. All right. What is the way Bane or Joker? Yeah. Where they- It's very natural. They don't give a fuck. Okay. We're here to destroy. Yeah. Nothing to lose. We're here to destroy where Batman is not that. Okay. Well, here's a question to ask. Who's the stronger villain? When you come to Bane, you come to Joker. Yeah. You come to Raza Ghul. What aspect? Bane had more death. Bane was more successful. Yeah. Joker was more emotional, I would think, in my opinion. All right. All right. So, are you, are you, how are you trying to judge it though? Like physically, mentally, emotionally, mentally and strongly. Physically and stronger, basically. Men, uh, well. What? That is different. Thanks. Mentally. Okay. Mentally. What's your question? Who is the stronger villain? Who is the more opposing villain to Batman? Joker? Bane? Okay. Joker, Bane or Raza Ghul? But in which aspect? Emotionally. Emotionally? Joker. Emotionally, we Joker. Uh, I think Joker knows what, what strings to pull to emotionally and mentally cripple him. I feel like Batman. Bane knows what strings to pull to physically destroy the man which also goes into his emotional and mental state. It does. It does. But that's more, the, the emotional mental is more of a byproduct of the physical beating that you're taking. Which is Bane causes versus Joker is able to push you beyond what you thought your limits were emotionally. Batman is so close to actually killing Joker because of what the other thought. Now, leave out, leave out all of the lore. No, no, no, no, no, just leave out all of the lore for all of this. Yeah. Just the movies alone. Yep. All right. Joker has Batman getting ready to break his one fucking world. Yes. The one fucking role he has for himself where Bane physically does break Batman. Joker doesn't physically break Batman at all. No, he's not. He's not so many breaks. Yeah. He mentally breaks Batman. Bane physically breaks Batman. But when you're physically broken though, there is mental and emotional state, but he am straight into effect, but he came right back from that and he came right back from Joker, but it took much a lot, much longer for him to come back from the physical aspect than it did the mental aspect that Joker did, the physical aspect. It took him, which is another thing when we get to like that, that I have an issue with five months to come back from a literally a broken spine to peak health, to get himself out of this weird desert fucking ditch, all right, and then get back across the world in some house and make himself into fucking Gotham. No, there's another thing about that, but I think five months, I don't think it was a five months of time. I don't think it was a broken back. I think it was a protruding. It was a broken back. Your fucking vertebrae is sticking out and is not supposed to be pile. All right. That's sweet. Okay. I thought that was more of a protruded disc. No, he said your vertebrae is sticking out. Yes. Okay. Then I miss that. Okay. Yeah. So I've got protruding discs. I am still walking. Yeah. I do not have a broken back. Okay. No, I was trying to see it because I haven't broken back and still walk up. You can't. Absolutely. Absolutely. But you'll, but you'll know it. Who do you hear? It was broken back. It was very broken. Who do you think Eric Carr had three breaks in vertebrae Christmas game still fucking went out. God damn completed that shit. What do you think is the most opposing? I didn't hear you said Joker, but why? He can push you to a whole new limit. The first movie is fear. Second one's chaos. Third one's pain. Oh, those are the all things they each through movies. So the chaos is pushing Batman to his limits. Yeah. He's learning that he, he has a difference themselves between Batman and Bruce Wayne. Right. He's got someone's going on just Bruce Wayne and someone's going on his Batman. You see him break the rule of being Bruce Wayne during the day. Like the whole like the attempt, attempt, assassination of the mayor, where all those people are there. Yeah. Bruce Wayne going there is fucking Ducati, whatever fucking bike he has. And for some reason, he's up there doing that. This is where it says the boundaries. Yeah. So he, that whole shit happens. And yeah, there's not time to be a Batman coming to save two things from killing David Mastal, she is character, but yeah, it's just, Joker can choose so much damage to him. Yeah. But that leaving a finger on him. Bane has the break, brain will break you because he's fucking, it's amazing. He's more of the physical and this movie, you don't, you don't see venom. He's just all, it's all him. He's a tactician. He's a fucking, he's the fucking bad motherfucker. Genius. Kind of a bitch. tacticians. The word genius. Yes. He's very small. He does. The mask was the closest. It was pumping something venom. Yes. Yes. They don't say it, but yeah. Yeah. It was the closest thing that we could have. Make him strong, but whatever is pumping, it was allowing him to deal with the pain that he had and continue to function. See, when I always thought about it and started going away, that's when he started getting to me. What I also thought about, Bane, it was almost like a, a Bane is almost like a Darth Vader type of thing where he, it was a breathing. It was helping with his breathing. I didn't think it was like a venom being inserted into him. No, because he talks about, um, or not she, but it's talked about the, the mask that they were able to come up with without him to keep the pain at bay. So it doesn't a breathing thing. I take it as it pumping something into him, the constant pain killer, basically, um, allowing him to function at his normal level. Yeah. And the second it's, that's interrupted is where shit starts going off. I got off the rail for him. Yeah. His, um, when he gets the, the first two is broken. That's where you see him start freaking the fuck out because he's pain level. Yeah. It's stupid fucking high. So you're trying to fight everything and anything that is going on to just like get rid of all that fucking pain, all that shock that just happened to you right now. That's what you're trying to fucking deal with. So when you see him literally fucking goddamn almost break through that fucking pillar on the courthouse, you know, shit, you know, like that, that's fucking rage and pain he's dealing with to take away, to like basically fucking put it on his hands and fucking forearms and take away from like, you know, rectus, you know, that's what, so it's funny, like, you have a pain in your fucking foot, right? Let me see your finger. Yeah. You know, how's your foot feel? Feels fine. How's your finger feel? Well, finger fucking hurts. Yeah. Oh, that's because it's redirected now. Right. You know, it's the same thing. Yeah. You know, it's like major pain. How do you think about that? Yeah. You know, that's all it was. And I thought it was a really interesting way of playing that character right there. The venom that was supposed to be in the character. But in a real world setting, like it's a pain kill or not a immediate super steroid situation. Yeah. And I was like, okay. It's not like it's not like all the other versions of Bane that you've seen that we've seen. Yeah. You know, especially with the shitty fucking. What's that being a Robin, the George Clooney version. Yeah. You know, or like that, a fun version of Bane is in Harley Quinn. Yeah. Yeah. That's a very fun version of Bane to watch and see, you know, like even still, Bane is very smart. Wait, whoa, Bane was in Harley Quinn TV show, the TV show on, on, oh, see the vein that I was the one that was in the Arkham, Bane is the one that was from the Arkham Asylum game. Yeah. He was in there, dude. Yeah. And I remember he was like a boss fight and he was fucking hard to kill. Yeah. He's fucking Bane. Yeah. I mean, I always, he's the bane of your existence. And I always heard that Bane was actually one of the most powerful characters. He's the only person to break Batman. Yeah. So think about it. He's as smart of a tactician as Batman plus massive amount of fucking strength on top of great fighting skill. Yeah. Okay. He's Batman on steroids, but he wasn't 10, but he wasn't League of Shadows in the comic books. No, no. That, that was something that was crazy. But I thought it worked really fucking well and I can see Bane working and protecting somebody like Talia. Oh, yeah. I absolutely see that happening. Yeah. Especially since Bane grew up in a fucking dark fucked up place and stuff like that because it worked. It worked. It worked really, really well. Jesus, cost to your strength. Victory has defeated you. The hospitality and deception are of angels to the uninitiated, but we are initiated. I am the League of Shadows and you betrayed us. Yes, you are extremely gay, by a gang of psychopaths, psychopaths. I am the League of Shadows. I am here to fulfill Raza Ghoul's destiny. You fight like a young man. There's nothing held back. Laundryable, but mistaken. Oh, you think darkness is your ally. You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man. Then it was nothing to me but brighten. The shadows betray you because they belong to me. I will show you where I have made my home whilst preparing to bring justice. Then I will break you. Oh yes, I was wondering what would break first. Your spirit. Oh, your money. The only thing that I can hear when I hear him, it's not even when I was rewatching the movies, but listening to it now is Bane and Harley Quinn. Really? Yeah. Yeah. The voice, just the voice. Is that a good show? It is, isn't it? Very funny. It's funny. It's a comedy? Yeah. It's a dark, it's an adult comedy. I know it's got like a whole thing with poison ivy and Harley, but I didn't know it had Bane. When I hear Bane talking, when I hear Tom Hardy's Bane talking, I'm imagining him rubbing his nipples and everything he says. I was burning it. Oh yeah, the shadows are my fault. Oh. What do you get? What do you get? What do you get? That excited voice is pinching. Really hard. I will break you. What do you get? Your spirit. Oh yeah, Bonnie. Then he breaks his back and climaxes. Oh. Oh, how did I turn the puns? Brink his body. That's okay. I mean, it was a really interesting choice for the character. It wasn't really interesting. I'm doing it for him. Do you think? Yeah. Do you think Tom Hardy pulled it off though? He did. He did. I think he did an amazing job for it. Just like, Bale did a really good job of Batman, but when you only focus on the words themselves, the way he sang it, it's like this is fucking ridiculous. You were laughing when Batman is amazing, but when you only focus on Bane's words itself, you're like fucking insane. Yeah. All right. This is ridiculous. I mean, I still feel the pain from hearing that and just like, hear it and I just fucking, I feel it. It's like I said earlier. Like, oh, God damn you know that's something hurt. And like the Nightfall series, Dennis O'Neill, Bane is a, oh my God, he just fucks Batman. He was one of Batman's most powerful opponents, right? He breaks Batman's bat in fucking the Batcave. No, it wasn't a, it wasn't a, on the street, it wasn't a dumpster. Well, no, okay. That's one. I was very close to the Batcave because I picture the penny behind him and picking him up and boom. It wasn't a street. I remember seeing the comic book cover of him breaking Batman. It wasn't a street cause Alfred and Robin can disable. It's kind of like an awesome, all girls took over and took over the Batcave and locked it down. Isn't it also like basically it's kind of related to the Superman being killed by what's his name? Doomsday. Doomsday. Is it almost like the same thing where they were trying to do like almost like a same time? Not the same storyline, but this. No. Okay. I was just questioning. Oh, it's the death of Superman. That, that storyline. Yeah. How about you? That's completely fucking different. Well, no, because being, being breaking Batman's back, basically, well, I love the version where Superman fights Bane as Batman in the animated series, season four, uh, brainiac, kidnapped Bruce Wayne, uh huh, and Robin's like trying to keep control and Gotham, the third Robin to Drake and Superman comes like, where's your boss at? He's like, holy shit, Superman's here. So he pulls in the bat suit and he's asked like Batman and there's a Bane, Mad Hatter and Riddler. They're working together. Yeah. And they, they find them and like, Bane is fucking Superman up and Superman, he gets up and like, he's like, fuck this, he just fucking punches Bane across the room. He's like, Robin's laugh, he goes, he got stronger, like, this fucking amazing show. Oh man. I'm correct. I don't know. That book is amazing. It's like imprinting my brain. They're in Gotham manner right now. He's fucking hurt Alfred. He coming out of the fucking, uh, the clock and shit like that, Bane's about to fuck some shit up. They're at fucking Wayne Manor. Boom. They're fighting. Obviously in the back case, you get the Joker card right now, you know, hanging out in the fucking background. I've read the book that the graphic novel, but yeah, I, the way it was told in the, uh, the book, it was on the streets like Gotham. You see other points where it definitely could be on the streets of Gotham. Uh, I, I, in my mind, it's definitely in the fucking back cave where he fucking breaks him. I see it. Yeah. But then I see other stuff. It's like a weird Mandela effect where I'm like, oh my God, which one's right? Because the book is told differently. I'm, I didn't, I never read the graphic novel or seeing the graphic novel image for image. I just have a picture of my brain just to base off the graphic novel should just be a collection of the comics that this is the book by Dennis O'Neill. Yeah. It's different. It is ish. But it's collected off of the general concept that was created in the fucking. Because the way I, the way I, the way the book tells it, you know, this happens in the street at their Batman saves art, the, uh, escape from marketing asylum. They fight in the street. Bane breaks his back throws his ass in a dumpster. Alfred and Robin come to save him and I was real sees what's happening. He takes over the back cave and locks it down. That was his control. Like, even this one right here where he's picturing the fucking fight and then fighting and he breaks his fucking hand on fucking Bane. That's in the back cave right there. Right. Yeah. All right. And those are called as the him remembering the whole shit right here can fucked up. So he goes to see like a mystic person. He was back. That's what they, they couldn't say in the fucking, you know, the movie. Two comic book girls just going back and forth. It's because I have a very vivid memory of Kane just prunched and leaving his fucking crippled fucking body on the floor for the bat family to find. All right. And they weren't involved in the book though, but in the bat and definitely in the bay breaking, the bat family found him and that's why you had at Robin, you know, you had Nightwing, you had Azrael because Nightwing was fucking pissed because he felt that he should have taken on the mantle of the bat, but Bruce indicated that Azrael should be the one taking on the mantle of the bat. And earlier before all this shit happened, but it was afterwards when they found everything that they put the plan in place because bats back was broken. All right. And he could no longer be Batman. All right. So, and, and Tim, uh, Tim Drake assumed, hey, it's going to be fucking me now stepping into the suit. And he's like, nope, it's going to be Sean. All right. And Tim would be like, what the fuck is this bullshit? Yeah. All right. And they found because the other ones who found, um, in this, do they reference Tim's dad being a handicap as well that I can't remember all time ahead, but it does feel like it would make sense. That does feel like it would make sense to comic book girls going at it. I love it. Yeah. Is this more than imagination? Yes it is. Okay. It's your shit. It goes through that bottle. Yeah. That's good. So bright. It's very bright. So shiny. Yeah. Like a diamond in the sky. Diamonds are forever. Diamond. Like a size of a tangerine, I guess a size of a tangerine. There was a lot of, what do you think of Catwoman and Dark Knight rises and Hathaway? I've lost many loads. I, I love to see where she gets it. Wow. All right. Case reaction, no, I felt that they needed, if Catwoman was introduced in Batman Begins and then the story kind of developed over the years, well, she was just a background and silvery character. Yeah. I think that would have been a better payoff situation. I felt that the, the growth and the acceptance of Catwoman was way too quick, way a little bit, a little bit in the first one, a little bit in the second one and then like full blown in the third one. Yes. Yeah. I think that would have actually worked out pretty fucking well. Yeah. I think that may have worked out better than just like, so when they introduce new characters in the movies, it sucks when they do it like at the, at the end of a series or at the end of a trilogy, like this one, yeah, because there's nothing left for you. There's nothing left for that fucking character. Yeah. You know. It's a short character arc. Yeah. But, you know, so like you actually need to be able to, so you need to be in the know of everything that has happened in like Gotham City and the Batman world and lore. The real estate thing in, in part three, he spent what realistically an hour with this bitch before he ran away with her and started a new fucking life. He had an hour in person. That's all it takes. Yeah. Sometimes. Realistically. I mean, that's how you got married. After an hour? Very, very short. You think it was an hour? It was not an hour. Very, very short period of time. It's a movie. No, no, no, no. It's a movie. There's probably, there's more time. There's the safe. Yeah. All right. And now they show that entire thing. That was what? Two minutes. And then the party? All right. The party. We're looking at 10 minutes of screen time right now. Yes. And then you have her meeting up with her after the city's been taken and trying to do it. They show. That's like five minutes. That's like five minutes here. Maybe 10 minutes there. So figure it out. When they're on the roof. That's like two minutes. Yeah. And then escape. That's probably another two minutes. So that's four. Yeah. But when they escape. They're probably going to have a lot of time. No. Uh huh. They probably when they escape, they're going to probably have a lot of time right there. Yeah. Screen time. So you're actually. You're going by screen time. You're going by off screen time. Screen time. All right. Okay. Well, so you're probably looking at less than an hour, 15 minutes of screen time together. And I feel like they're showing whatever reality would have. So do you think it would be better? So he went from I'm going to fake my entire fucking death, including to my best friend, Alfred. All right. And pretty good. But I'm going to run away with his bitch who I've spent less than an hour of my life with. But you know what though, when you sing, you sing. Alfred wasn't there. Do you think this would have been better off in long form storytelling? Yes. It should have been brought. That's what I said. If they introduced her in Batman Begins. Yeah. And then you know, have her be a minor throw away sea sea story villain. Yeah. All right. And then had some interactions with her. I, you know what? I wasn't going to say a fucking, uh, I wasn't even saying a villain though. No, just something small, maybe some sort of interaction. Yeah. Yeah. Something small. You know, a cat burglar. Yeah. Like that. And then in the second one, which I liked, I liked having with and gets to know the character. It's an ongoing relationship that's built up. And then by the time part three rolls around, they have these almost decade worth of interactions that they've had. And you know, not just what we see on screen that we can extrapolate off screen. And then you can see, all right, we understand him being, him believing enough in her to come back and her believing enough in him to choose to come back. You know, that, that character are what makes sense. Um, and him risking everything to try to save the program for her to give her a chance out of everything. Cause he's now learned she's actually a good person and stuff like that. Brother, he was amazing. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He knew we had her at the end. He made the program. Yeah. But it was all part of his like it weirdly enough and all part of the scan to get in her panties. It worked. I mean, no, no fucking blame him. So talk, we've talked about all the villains, the set but Gotham like how Batman, like how he finishes being Batman, do you guys okay with that ending? No. I thought it was weird, especially with the whole fucking, uh, Joseph and Gordon Levitt going to the, uh, the manor and, uh, seeing the whole rise, like, I didn't know if that was a Robin thing or a Nightwing thing. What was the whole point of that? No, it's supposed to be Robin. It was supposed to hold the whole lead up, let up lead up to it was supposed to be, um, Batman community, buddy. Yeah. Yeah. He can be anybody. But his, that when Robin, when that character, um, stepped onto the platform and you see it rise up. Yeah. And everything come to life, right, you know, that was supposed to be the star of Robin's story of Robin being the director of Gotham. Yeah. He was handing off the mantle to the point where even Bruce was like, all right. I'll give this fucking place to the city with the specific instruction. Do not fuck with anything here. This way, nobody ever fucking finds a goddamn bat cave. Yep. That's the entire fucking reason is that don't fuck with anything. All right. I'm not sure the next generation of protectors is there and it happens to be hit by his choice. Robin, which I actually was really cool with that Robin right there, even when he fired and had to shoot those fucking people. He threw his gun away. Yeah. He was disgusted by that action of that should have been that was a very, that was a very telltale sign right there that like, all right, pay attention real quick, something, something's going to happen and it's going to lead into possibly something else, but you don't find that out until he actually checks out of the precinct. Yes. And the fact that he said, you know, he was raised in an orphanage, that's his fucking parent side. Yeah. All right. I'm like, okay. Everything was laid out really fucking well and a believable aspect versus grown ass 30 somebody man. So what was he was supposed to do? Hang around with a 12 year old. Yeah. What was he supposed to do to train himself to be the new Batman basically? That's what the fucking story falls apart. If you would had John Paul Valley, Osreal coming to fucking play, that would be a fucking game changer. Yeah. Boy, who was that? That's real. Oh, okay. He's like, his, I miss the last name is this times Valley, John Paul Valley. So he's he's, he's, uh, Osreal, his parents before his father's the first, first Knights of Gotham. Okay. So that goes into a whole different storyline. They could have took with it because that would have been cool. You can't just introduce Robin like that, just like in the book, I am gonna introduce the Knights of Gotham. They introduced a weird religious cult aspect of the Knights of Gotham. Exactly. See right there. I don't know. Fuck that. We're talking about it. Almost every new to the fuck Robin is right. So in a way, once again, to introduce Robin without having to be a little 12 year old boy that he's fucking kidnapping off the streets and then replacing whenever one dies. Little quick. Um, the circus, they were acrobat, but it was a real world version of how a Robin could come to existence without having to be the weirdness that goes with it. Um, we've all seen the meme, how quickly Batman replaces one Robin. I was just a skateboarder, a child and continuing on. Just keep going, I've never seen that meme. You know what? Yes. Yeah. Alright. Cause Batman replaces his Robins very quickly, very easily without a lot of fucking, you know, there's been multiple Robins. Yes. Yes. I didn't know that. Including his own son. It's been like five or six. There's not one Robin to rule them all. Yeah. Another. Talia. Talia. She drugged him. In the wrong. Yeah. She rode that dick till he'd come later. Yes. Wow. That's what she did in the dark. Yes. That's the yacht. In the dark. That's what, that's what he fucking bolted. Was she crippled after that fucking accident? Is that what she was? That one position? Yeah. Her back was broken. Her back was broken. I think she got like sandwiched. Yeah. And then after the rebound, she was like, he feel the shit too late now. I would say she did the scorpion, but it's in the opposite direction. Yeah. Talia. Talia in the comics was a bad bit. She was. She was a bad father. Yeah. This didn't do much. No, I didn't do her justice for her. She was a bad. She was just like an office lady in this one. No, she was still vicious. You could tell. She carried. You could see her in her eyes. Yeah. You know. She's smart. She's very smart like in the movie itself, but like in the comics and shit. She was bad. She was like 10 times. Yeah. The movie was rushed. Like they. Well, it's what? But you had Joker dying for your well, what was the timeframe between the three years was a three or four years between one and two, four years, four years, nine years between three years, because it was 20 with the 2011 to 2012 were dark. I rise. It came out. Oh, it's a 2012 because it's oh, five, oh, eight, and then it was there 11 or 12. That's my day. Rise is 2012. All right. So yeah, three years between one and two, four years between two and three. I'm saying the store line was rushed. No, yeah. Yeah. I didn't want to take it. July, it was 2000. It was 2000. It was a long fucking film. That was eight years between like, I mean, the gap. Yeah. Yeah. The gap between two and three in in universe was like eight years. Well, remember that guy says eight years, this guy's been gone and then all of a sudden this night he comes out. It was like eight years. Yeah. That's what I just said. Eight years between two and three in in universe, but in reality, it was four years. But the thing is I didn't understand was he actually still being Batman or was he completely a hermit? No, no, because he didn't have that. After Harvey Dent died. He hung it up. He got he took the blame for killing Harvey Dent. I understand that. But the fact that it wasn't he had after Harvey Dent died. Then you had that. It was one of that night. No, no, no, no. It doesn't make sense. What's her name died? It doesn't make sense because he had the bat cave. No, no, no, no, no, no, it was in when Harvey Dent died because he had to take the blame for killing Harvey Dent. I think Harvey could continue to be the hero they got immediately. But you also wanted to meet him. But you also wanted to meet him. But you also wanted to meet him. You also wanted to meet him. Yeah. But you also wanted to meet him. But he was still continuing. He went AWOL though from public life. Yes. Once the night that Harvey Dent died. Yeah. But he was still being Batman. He wasn't. So the back. Oh, he's that's the thing I don't know. There was no Batman. There was no Batman every year. But there was a bat cave that he had all set up brand new. No. The bat cave looked a lot more. He didn't have that lift and all that stuff. He had set up. He had set up when he rebuilt Wayne Manor that blew up in the first movie. Yeah. And between while two was going on and in between two and three, Wayne Manor got refinished. And so he reconnected to the real bat cave that he had underneath from part one. He reconnected to, you know, that's why, but confused me. It seems like that he was still being Batman, but he was not being Batman. Batman had disappeared for eight years. There was no Batman. There was no Batman. That's why he was living for him. Yeah. He was living as a hermit. The city was getting cleaned up based on the Harvey Dent rule or the law. Yeah. All right. Everything was going in the right direction. And it wasn't until there was a reason to have a bat man that Batman came back because he didn't want to, he needed to be the villain for Harvey to be the hero. Yeah. All right. So that's what happened. And then the story, like he said, it felt rushed, maybe in the third one, but it was still a long fucking movie. It was. It was a long fucking movie. It was a long, it was one. It was odd as shit. They were trying to cover. I think it was two hours and 40 minutes. I mean, they're cut. It's just funny because they're trying to cover six months, but so that's six months after Gotham got taken over and then figure what five months after Gotham took over, five months from the time. Is it five? I thought it was six. Five. When Bane took over and got the the core out, they said it will start degrading within five months. It'll reach. Okay. So, all right. So total time then would be maybe six months for total time six, maybe seven stretching. If that, you know, well, stretching from the time that cat woman took the pearls to me. That's right. I think it's six months. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was seven of the extreme stretch that he was inside the pit. No. How long was he inside? The jail cell, the most five months, four months, four months, four months at most. Because when he came back, they had 12 or 18 hours before the fucking bomb detonating. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we, but it was the night that the shit happened that he broke him, right? Yes. Yeah. All right. So even if he was able to get wherever this fucking prison was within a day, one day. All right. And then he, then he was in the prison for five months, was able to get back out of the escaping prison and get back to Gotham and sneak in somehow within a day of the time he escaped prison. At most, he was in the prison for five months. You feel like the most unrealistic dad in the most unrealistic thing to this whole thing. Okay. Yeah. That's awesome. Okay. Because so what do you think is the most? It's like a permit, um, who was walking around with a cane and beat the shit to Batman in a month at most. Well, you're hitting that metal thing put on his leg and yeah, I still don't care. Let me put a fucking metal thing on your leg and you tell me you're a goddamn Batman level immediately. Let's put in your shoulder. Yeah. That's a pneumatic brace. Yeah. So put it on your shoulder. It fucking helps, but you're still going to be fucking unless you're wearing all your fucking joints, you're still a crippled old man. Yeah. Your back, your other leg, your hips, you know, they said both his knees had no ligaments, both his fucking elbows and shoulders had no fucking ligaments left. All right. No cartilage. Yeah. He was beat to shit. And then also he puts on one brace and he's able to beat Batman again. Yeah. No. No. That's why the third one is the most rushed one. Yeah. Like not weird. Not, not, not from the second to the third one, but in the movie itself. Yeah. It's very rushed. It's the least criticized out of even, but I will also say that the critics have never listened to our show. No, even user score. The third one. Users have never listened to our show. The degradation of the city felt very real. I could see that whole city becoming Pittsburgh that light, that much shit hole and that first time because we'll definitely see that happening. That's the whole thing. The Gotham Knights. Yeah. It was believed when the government wanted to. I absolutely believe the way the government responded to the threat. You know, like, yeah, come over here. I'm going to fucking nuke the place. Yeah. Fuck. All right. And you let anybody escape either. I'm going to fucking nuke the place. Fuck. All right. All right. It was very believable. And I appreciated that because there was a good study in man and the mentality as heard people, which is what we are. That's what was in the second movie. Was it Game Theory or Trivia Theory? Game Theory. Game Theory. The two fairies. Yeah. And then pick it like Joker is sitting in the hole as a standard and it's that was fucking beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. That was a very, very good test of humanity. Yes. Sinal norms. Yeah. Yeah. And Joker purposely giving the wrong location for each one. Oh, no. So knowing that Batman, no matter what, he's going to choose the wrong one then. Yeah. No matter fucking what. Right. And that was genius. I was like, that's fucking amazing. That really fucking is and I appreciate that. And I do think he chose by going after Rachel instead of going after Harvey. He knew it was the selfish route. He knew what he was doing. The Joker knew what he was doing when he gave him those the addresses. Oh, yes. Yeah. But Batman should have chosen Harvey. Yep. Harvey was the right choice. He was a savior of Gotham to save logically, even though it ended up emotionally fucking up Harvey. Yeah. And shit like that. But Batman didn't know that when he made that decision. Mm hmm. Yeah. All right. Batman chose the wrong person. Yeah. He absolutely did. Yeah. Absolutely did. He chose his own selfishness for his own personal game. Yeah. He chose his dick. No. No. I wouldn't say his dick. No. I wouldn't say his dick because he never fucked her. Yeah. He wasn't. He wanted her. No, he may have wanted her, but he even was happy with her being with Harvey. Even it meant him not being with her because it made her happy. Yeah. He thought he thought that she was wanting him no matter what. He may have thought that he never got that letter from Alfred. But even after, you know, he came and, you know, told her, Hey, I'm not Batman anymore. And she's like, who fucking late fucker? All right. That fucking matter. He's like, okay, cool. I still want you to be happy. I'll still support the guy that you're fucking with. Not only will I support him, I believe in him enough to do good things for this fucking city. I will make him a fucking star. And he, that's what he did. Yeah. And the whole point of it was to encourage him to be as successful as possible. Yeah. So that she could be happy. Okay. All right. And he even told, and he told her that at, uh, at the ball, at the party, you know, on the balcony, you know, because she knew when he's making fun, you know, of him, but he wasn't. He's like, no, I'm fucking dead serious. He is the savior of fucking Gotham. Not me. You want me? You want me to hang on my cape? Yeah. He, he is here for me to hang on my cape. That's the entire thing. I want him to succeed. So I don't have to do what I have been doing anymore. Right. And my all without a mask. Yeah. Yeah. Taking anymore. I'm a little bitch. You fall from a fucking 12 story building, hitting all the fucking rails and fucking, um, also set on fire too, everything that's on the side of the fucking buildings. Keep mine. He also was heavily armored. And that isn't what fucked him up. No. No. No. No, the first time he fell, he was not wearing any. He was wearing like sweats. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. Commissioner. He was bad at parkour. Yeah. He was bad at parkour. Okay. It's funny. Every time I see him like parkour. Oh, shit. Parkour fails. I just hear fucking Michael Scott from the office. Parkour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Parkour. And jumping off a book. Yeah. So damn, so I can close your show then. Wow. Let's do a critical. Who wants to go first? What are we doing? Just a critical enjoyment. Right. Right. All the fucking three movies together or separate? Best or worst. Best to worst. Yeah. Best to worst. Okay. One, two, three in that order, okay? I think the first one is I think the first one is absolutely fucking amazing. It absolutely fucking revamped Batman as a character the way I think it should have. And it absolutely continued into the second one with the Joker. And the third one, like we said, you know, a little bit ago, it felt rushed. It did. But like the difference between one, two and three is very miniscule. Yeah. Like it's it's like a cut and hair difference in between each one. But it's just like the littlest thing that is the biggest fucking difference. Okay. Between those rankings there. Enjoyment. Are we going to do enjoyment for all three together? Yeah. Okay. All right. Enjoyment for all is a five absolutely fucking love them. I can sit down and fucking watch them anytime if they're on, I'll sit down, doesn't matter what part they're in. I think that they absolutely told an amazing story and revamping the Batman character to bring it back into light for a newer generation to enjoy like we did with the originals. Yeah. And it started to bring a lot. I think some of the lore of Batman too light for people who don't know it. But I can I can overlook the the the shortcoming of the last one when they got my nipple. I can overlook the shortcoming of the third one when they drop the ball, I think on Robin. But for so for five for enjoyment with critical. I can't overlook that portion there and the third one being rushed. So overall for the for critical, I give it a four and a half. So pretty high. Like I said, it it I think it really did revamp what the lore of Batman that's out there is and help bring Batman back to light. Excuse me for the younger generation that wouldn't really understand like for some of us like our love for the original Batman that you know of the Michael Keaton Batman. So this one here helps give other generations like an understanding of the character itself. And you know, Christian Bale, he did an amazing job. I think minus is whatever that was asthma was it a may have been asthma may have been asthma. Maybe. I don't know. He's allergic to the soup. The ranking to be two three one I like the second one the best. The third one I actually enjoyed the thing is when I watch this in for this review three one three one yeah the thing is when I watch this in the past, I always thought the third one was not my was my least favorite but watching this again and analyzing it and Bane's character and everything else. I understand that it's a very rushed story, but I enjoyed Bane's villain character. I enjoyed Talia. I enjoy the whole thing with Catwoman and everything else in the whole city going into a base of war with each other with the Bane's men and the cops. I really enjoyed that one. So that's why I put that as number two and the Batman begins was great. Don't get me wrong. I fucking love Batman begins. I thought it was a great movie. It was a different take on Batman that I was used to because you got to the point where it was camp where it was like dark and gothic and then it went to very campy and then it went to like very hardcore serious. But I really enjoyed the third one. I enjoyed Tom Hardy as Bane, but he was just Joker and Aaron Eckhart. I thought did a great job as Too Faced and Joker. I thought they were great to watch. They were stealing the scene in the movie and I thought that the whole thing, even not taking place during Wayne Manor, it was basically his, what do you call it, the thing up where Rachel Dawes felt safe, what was the place it was called? Wayne Tower. Wayne Tower, but it was, I enjoyed that. I enjoyed Michael Cade even in the second one. I didn't care for him in the third one as much, but I loved him in the first one and the second one, but still the third one just felt better to me. I enjoyed it better. I enjoy the whole war and everything. So that's my ranking for my critical and enjoyment. I will go four and four because they're not my favorite Batman movies. I enjoy the Michael Keaton. I enjoy Ben Affleck's Batman movies a whole lot better than this. I do not like Christian Bale as Batman. I've never really thought that he was a good Batman. I thought he was a very good Bruce Wayne, but when it came to Batman, his over the top yelling and screaming just didn't work for me. But it just, the villains took, stole the show in those movies more than Batman. I enjoy the villains more than Batman. I enjoyed Batman in the other ones better. So I thought they were critically, really well done. Christopher Nolan did a great job, especially with the practical effects, the scenes, all the, the, the city of Gotham and everything else was just basically just like, you know, New York when you think about it. You can see the World Trade Center being built in the Dark Knight Rises, the New World Trade Center being built. So they just use New York as a setting basically. But yeah, I give it a four four. I love these movies. I will watch them again. They're just not my favorite Batman movies, but they are very enjoyable and they're very well recommended. It's just, I like other ones better. So four four. So there you go. Very nice, one, two, three for me, which is weird though, because I do feel the characters developed more as the films went on were written and more polished as the films went on. The writing was better. The films were not. But just everything worked more so in the first and then the second and the third. But like you were saying, Ragnar, they're very close. Yeah, they're all very close. But I think it's an amazing trilogy story. I really do. It's an overarching story from start to finish between the films, told really well the rise and fall of Batman and the sacrifices that he made. The villains were amazing. They were the best villains in my opinion of any of the Batman films. Really? Yeah, I do. They, they were the most realistic, believable, understandable villains of any other other Batman film. As much as I loved Jack Nicholson, as much as I loved Michelle Pfeiffer and stuff like that, Danny DeVito. They were, they were characters, except for Nicholas on the side. Yeah. The characters of a campy idea and while these ones all delivered very grounded, real villains. More believable. Yes. And villains are what make stories. All right. The stronger the villain that you have, the better the story you're going to be. That's why I feel like the better the heroes going to be. Yeah. I feel like they sold the show. They absolutely did. And I really enjoyed this, this trilogy a whole lot. I'm probably going to have to give it a four and three quarters for enjoyment as a whole. Um, a few things here, a few things there that was on tweaking, but very, very little. And critically, I'd probably give it a four and a half. Um, and mainly that was taken down by the third one. Yeah. So many as good as the film was, so I really did enjoy the film. It had a lot of technical flaws, um, and plucked, plucked off loss too. Yes. I, I loved how when he's in the bat wing and he's flying over the, the, the 18 wheeler. Yeah. And shit with the kind of spots and you have the tumbler fucking pointed at him and he's firing at him. Like it's just air, it's just dust. Yes. Like nothing. Like dude, you're like six feet away from him. How the fuck can you not hit this goddamn thing? Like any part of it, you know, like it's bullshit. What kind of, uh, typically what kind of, uh, what way was it flying? Was it like a hover or what? What was it? What? Uh, that way? Yeah. It was, um, it was called something else. It wasn't a bat wing. No, it was the bat. Yeah. That's what it called. Yeah. But it was, it was, it had, it did have a different, um, yeah name to it. Yeah. I think it was, uh, almost a hairier hybrid situation with, with minimized tailwash from the rotors. Yeah. It's main, it's main rotor was, um, was built underneath, yeah, like look at it as like a lobster tail. Yeah. Excuse me. Um, right underneath it is where it's like main rotor was, right. I was giving it the oof, you know, and then the left, the left. And then, um, I think the front portion had the, the rotors to give it the, um, the forward momentum. Right. I believe, I believe that's how it was designed to have minimal, uh, water wash, yeah, so if you fly in between buildings and a more city urban environment, um, to be more maneuverable, um, that part when it's in the alleyway was amazing. Yeah. That was funny. Yeah. That part was funny. There was a lot of good, good parts. There really was, um, to all, all the films and even the third one, I said, that's, that's the one that takes the critical down to a four and a half. Yeah. That's where the one that has the most glaring problems technically to me, um, and the thing about the, um, the, uh, vehicles is that how the first movie is the, the tumbler, the second movie is the bat pod. And then the third movie is the bat, what was the bat? The bat. The bat. It's just weird that they just went to a different vehicle in all three movies. Why? Why? Because the fact that the Batmobile, the, um, the tumbler was never even used for a Batman at all in the third movie other than the, uh, Bane and his forces using the ones that were caught in it. It was, it was taken. Yeah. Yeah. It was just weird. I mean, they just kept, it's just weird having a Batman movie without the Batmobile. It was there. They had it there. Yeah. They were just different. It was not being driven by the bat. Yeah. They're just introducing new, the updated and also new toys. Yeah. If you had to pick a vegetable vehicle out of all three, which one would you pick? The bat. Okay. I would, I would fucking love the bat. Yeah. I would, I would go insane. I think the tumbler tumbler. Same here. Take the tumbler. Okay. That's cool. The bat pot is like, you're, you're, you're just open. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the bat to me though, I love fun. The bat is cool. It is. Flying is amazing to me. Yeah. To be able to do that would be fucking amazing. Right. I just want to smash all the fucking buildings. Well, with the tumbler, we get two for one. I got a bike too. Yeah. Okay. But you know what the tumbler ain't doing? Catch in the bat or even shooting the bat. I miss a little miss. It's not going up that fucking eye and you know what the bat can do? Shoot through a fucking building and continue to fly. All right. That chase scene was funny as shit though, when, when he, in the last one, okay, in the last one, when he actually like re-emerges and the chasing bane when he exit the stock market and he going through the, through the underpass, yeah, like the long ass fucking underpass and the fucking the old cops, oh dude, you're in for a fucking tree. Yeah. Right. Oh my, it's the dark night returns. Yeah. And the fucking younger cop as fucking, as Batman stops and he's got his, I don't even know what kind of gun that would be like, it is. TMT type of gun, yeah, I got all this different shit and the younger cop fucking shoots it. He just looks at him like fucking kidding me right now, dude. And the old guy was like, are you fucking stupid? Pissed him in the way. Pissed him in the way. All right. All right. Good. And finalize us. Yeah. What? Take us home. Take us to the finale. Yes. Finalize. Complete me. I do not want you to fertilize me. Thank you very much. I didn't say fertilize. I'm good. Finalize. What the fuck? Why do you love me snow? Hey, give us a happy ending to this. A happy ending. So ranking wise, I'd go two, one, three. This is the first time I've ever seen that three different two, two, one, three. Yeah. Okay. Cause the, the Joker business fucking takes it over the top. Yeah. It's just amazing performance there. I feel like the, the stakes were higher there. There was a lot more play for the soul of Gotham and more, it was, it was very more grounded. Like it was the chaos thing though. You have a guy who's operating outside the system trying to fix it and the Joker is using his method to try to in his own way fix it. And it's just like that conflicts of chaos and it's just, it's just so fucking beautiful. Well done. You'll never see a movie like that ever again. I think it's voted. Not yet. I think it's voted not yet. Number one Batman movie of all time. One superhero movie of all time. Get a red motherfucker. Yeah. Oh my goodness. That it's that and infinity war. That's like a small cut here behind it. If you were infinity war, if any war, if any war, although I end game, infinity war. I think it works better. Thank you. But yeah, one, just the origin story, like being a live action bat, a total of Batman year one was just fucking phenomenal seeing just the, the scene in Arkham where Batman pulls the shit under his foot and it's like causes a signal for his bass to come. Oh, that's a great scene. Just seeing that, just seeing that done was just fucking amazing. Uh, you know, just introduction to all these different characters, see Gordon reduce, see Alfred Lucius Fox. This is the first time we've seen him on the big screen. Oh, we didn't even talk about Gary Oldman. Just, just fucking phenomenal. Like Gary Oldman, he grows in each movie. His character arc is just beautiful. I agree. Um, didn't the third one. Yeah, that, I still watch it all the time with my kids, my son, and, uh, tomorrow watch I laugh at some parts I, I, I want to like, I can fast forward through this. Yeah. I don't need to watch this. Let's get to the good parts. But, uh, yeah, as a whole, I would, uh, enjoyment, it's definitely a five and critical. It's 4.75. Nice. I guess it's been believed just enough. That's your, your perfection right there. I do think there is a better superhero movie out than either one of you guys said. Deadpool. Black man. Oh my God. Which one? What's one? Like man. Oh, it's yeah. That's a fucking fucking. That's the 90s. That movie is fucking stupid. That movie is funny. And the movie is fucking stupid. Kick ass. Kick ass. That's a good one. Alright, Jim. Damn it. He's out of a bitch. I can't believe you brought up that movie. How about, um, Leonard Six? Yeah, that's Leonard Part Six. Leonard Part Six? Right. That's not a superhero movie. It was. I thought it was. Nope. That's a superhero movie. It's gonna loss in there soon. Bye. Maybe not Superman. Will, uh, Bill Cosby. Yes. Living cello. Yes. I'm done. Drink. Yeah. No, I do not. I'm good. Thank you. Run the other way. Okay. Speaking of drink, we'll see you guys in France or whatever part and country that man is and let's get in, uh... We're on to France? We'll find Alfred there. We're going to France? Fuck. Sweet. Alright, that's the end of our episode, guys. Joining us for our next Legacy episode in our next one coming out is Pirates of the Caribbean Legacy Park. Thank you for joining us for our next Legacy episode and our next Legacy episode. I'm sorry. I'm all over the place. I came around. Thanks for joining us for our Legacy episode. Be tuned. Stay tuned for our next Legacy episode, Pirates of the Caribbean. Is that better? Oh! There you go. Alright guys. See you all later. Fuck off. Oh, boom. Ah. Thank you for listening to Arrow Age Flix. 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