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I'm Charlie Hume. He's of course, Smiley Kaufman back at home and we're ready to rip into the PGA Tour FedEx Cup playoffs, fired up to be on location the next couple of weeks with the show Smiley. And we're going to kick that whole stretch off by having on a man who is currently 27th in the FedEx Cup standings and in the field this week at the Wyndham Championship, currently the last odds I checked where he was tied for the second shortest odds. So guys that the odds makers really love this week, Billy Horshel. So excited to get to that conversation and you going in depth with Billy Hoe. But first, as always, we got to say a few words of thanks to our sponsor, Wear SPF. And I'm just going to open with a little bit of show and tell here, Smiley, because it ties into our theme this last month of, you know, it's been really hot in Durham, North Carolina and spoiler alert. I came to Pennsylvania in August and it's still really hot. 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Just gets better every time we listen to it. That's the way you can get some sunscreen. So let's get right to it, Smiley. You and Billy Ho and just tell us a little bit about what you're most looking forward to in this interview with Billy. Well, Billy's so thoughtful, right? When he speaks, I listen, I just think he's so, you know, just when a topic is brought up or whether it's after a round, you know, he gives every question thought and I really felt like that shine in this interview. There wasn't, you know, a question I feel like he didn't just absolutely nail the answer too. So, you know, we talk, of course, golf. We talk a little less ham if you're a West Ham or a soccer fan Premier League. We talk a little that we also talk about something that you and I have spoken a lot about, which is the PGA tour and just the way the model is now with the signature events, the distribution and its points list. So that was super interesting hearing Billy's take on it for a guy who's been on the tour for quite some time. But yeah, overall, just I think the highlights though is the open championship, you know, being there firsthand and getting to watch his round on Saturday and getting an opportunity to hear, you know, just about the entire week in totality, I really felt like that was the highlight of the episode. But I'm not going to be the one to tell you what my favorite part is. Why don't you listen for yourself and see what your favorite part was lots to get to. We will not make you wait any longer. Here is Smiley's conversation with Billy Horshel, all right, like welcome you back to the Smiley show. Very pumped to have Billy Horshel joining us here today. Billy, I know you're in North Carolina for the wind of championship. It's supposed to just absolutely rain the next couple of days, which is such a bummer because I hear the course is pretty firm and fast. Yeah, this is a really fun course to play. I know the scoring, you know, it was really low 18, 20 on the par is usually the winning score. But you have to the fairways, if you miss the fairways, a rough is nasty. It's tough to control the ball into the green if you missed the fairway. So yes, I was just pointing that it looks like we're going to get a pound that with some rain here starting tomorrow afternoon and Thursday and Friday. So we'll see. Hopefully it's not as bad as I say, but it doesn't look good at the right now, right? Such a bummer. It's such a good event. I know it's one you've had a lot of success in as well, so it might just be a little bit more of a shootout and ball in hand. Yeah, it's going to be a shootout. I mean, listen, if we get three to five deposit eight inches as they're calling, it's going to be a shootout and yeah, ball in hand, I guess the only good thing is we always get good lies and see some great golf shots. Well, we're definitely going to be watching. We're going to be tuning into Billy Horse will make it a bunch of birdies in North Carolina. And for most of the people that are watching and listening, they just saw you have just an incredible open championship, we're going to go in depth into that here a little later in the episode. But I think the best way to kind of get started off is actually a best of. I have three best ofs that I'm going to ask you that just kind of get us warmed up here going, Billy. And the first one is the best four to football game that you've ever been to was when and where. Oh, it's going to be a ging is a little swamp. I thought you might just say, you know, the time I went to Death Valley, I thought there's a chance you might go there, but now, you know, I haven't. But it's one day I want to do I haven't been to any other stadium in the SEC. So yeah, I haven't just haven't made a concerted effort to get it done. But I think here we'll start doing next couple of years. My kids are into it and especially my little boy, he loves it. So we're trying to go to some away games. I would say the loudest to swamp ever was was 2006 against South Carolina. We had blocked the last minute field goal, and it was Jarvis Moss block that in the stadium went berserk. I mean, so loud. And when they say, you know, you hear people say, well, the stadium shakes, you know, here all the other stadium shaking, I can guarantee you these swamp was literally shaking. I mean, where we're standing, you could feel like it's this swamp was shaking. So that's, that's one of the best ones. I would say the best game I probably went to Auburn came to town. This is 2019. They were fourth ranked in the, in the, in the country. I can't remember if we were ranked or not, but we absolutely destroyed them. I think we were up 21, nothing real quick in the game, and that was an awesome game to be a part of. Yeah. I know Florida is probably in this zone right now where they, they need a big year, but man, that schedule, it's just absolutely brutal. It's a shame too that LSU and Florida, you know, we're so used to playing each other year in and year out. And now with Oklahoma, Texas and them splitting the divisions and going to just one big division, we don't play you guys anymore. I was looking forward to that game because every, it was always nuts every single year. It was. And you know, it was, it was different with like the LSU rivalry versus like a Georgia rivalry or Florida state or even Tennessee. I felt like we, there was a little more respect between the LSU Tigers and the Florida Gators amongst the fans a little bit. Obviously, yeah, we, we could get a little spicy towards each other, but it was just a, it was always, I felt like a little more respectful compared to like, we absolutely hate Georgia. We hate Tennessee and we hate Florida state. And when I tell people like, who do you, you know, who's the team that you guys hate the most? You know, they think we're going to say Georgia or Tennessee or LSU are like, no, we hate Florida state. I mean, the two teams that we want to beat every year, every year, it's Florida state and Georgia. And so, so yeah, we're going to miss that the LSU rivalry. We got a tough schedule. No doubt about it. I think it's a tough schedule in the last decade plus in Colorado football. I think all the betting, all the bookies have us at four and a half wins, I'm taking the over and I'm very confident in the over. I'm very confident that I think we're going to be a 500 team, if not better. I, I think we're, we're sort of being a little disrespected right now. And listen, I, I am biased. I am a University of Florida, you know, alum, played golf there and everything. But I'm a realist and I would tell you if I think we're going to have a bad year, I'm not afraid to admit if we're going to suck or not. But I think this year with what we got coming back and Graham Mertz and what he did last year at quarterback and, and, right, if the defense can play a little bit better, which I think we got, we brought in a lot better defensive coaches to help with that. I think we're going to surprise some people. So early in the years is big for us. I think we play Miami the first week and I think we play Texas A&M, I think again, like in the week four and then we have a couple, I can't remember who we play a second, third week. So those first, those two games right there, we can get Ws that, that gives us a lot of confidence. You know, it's August when we're, we're all talking about the four letter word, which is hope. You know, it's, it's the hope that, you know, maybe this is the year that, you know, that all the experts are wrong and that, and that your team goes out and has a big year. So now that we don't play you guys, best of luck, I'm, I'm so used to just, you know, Florida and us had the best rivalry. So look forward to seeing how Billy Napier and the team do. So it's just right around the corner and two more best of I got for you, Billy. Best advice that you would give to young dads. I knew you mentioned your kids a minute ago talking about going to some games. What would be some advice you give to a, a young dad that's just getting started, starting their family. Oh, man, you're going to give it a ton of advice. I think obviously just be really supportive of your kids, supportive of what they want to do, but also let them figure things out. Let them, you know, if things get hard for them, you know, they have to figure out how to, to do it, how they're going to overcome that, how they're going to get through that hard times. I mean, it's easy for us as adults to sort of show them the way and, and, and, and make things out of hard for them easier, but I think that doesn't help them later in life. So I think for me, it's being very supportive of my kids and letting them figure out how to get through some hard times, but at the same time, giving them support to, to, to be successful in whatever endeavor they get into. You know, that kind of leads me right into my last best of question. It's, and it's the advice that you would give to a junior golfer and that, and that because, you know, you got to figure it out at some point in this game and, and you never really figured out whether you're an eight time PGA tour, like Billy Horshel or one time winner like myself or a junior golfer who's got all the information in the world and they watch these best players on TV. And you know, it's, it's tough because there is more information out there now, from coaches and what they see on TV. What advice would you give a junior golfer coming up right now? Well, there's two pieces of advice I would give for junior golfer thing. The first one is that they have an excellent opportunity to network with individuals in the business world by playing in these junior Am's that they play in the AJGA, by playing Am Am's that they play in college and then if they decide to turn pro, playing in programs, make sure that these people that you play with, you create a relationship with because you never know at some point in life how they can influence your, your path in, in this world, whether it be sponsoring you some way as a professional golfer or if golf doesn't ultimately come to fruition, you know, reaching out to these people that you've had a relationship where they can open up a door to the new path in life and that being the business world in some areas that you have an interest in. So making sure that you treat people the right way, making sure that you network and you create these relationships of successful business men and women that you come across is vital to being, to having a, you know, give yourself the best opportunity to succeed in this world. Now when it comes to golf, I would say, work hard, work hard, work hard, you cannot work hard enough. I don't care what anyone says, if you think you're working hard, I guarantee you there's a whole bunch of other, there's more players, more, there's other men, other women that are working harder than you. I know it's a tough thing to do and it takes a lot of sacrifice and it takes a lot of time. Golf is probably the one sport compared to the other sport that takes more time than any others because of the amount of time you have to spend on each aspect of the game and everything. But to give yourself the best chance of succeeding, make sure you're working as hard as you possibly can and you know, you're flipping over every stone possible, you're not leaving any stone left on turn because at the end of the day, whether you make it or you don't make it, you want to be able to look in the mirror and say, hey, listen, I gave it everything that I possibly could and I can hold my head up high that, you know, I did everything I couldn't be successful whether it worked out or it didn't work out. And the answer is sometimes it's always in the dirt and really good hard work and, and Billy, actually, you know, you turn, you turn pro in, you know, nine, you get your card in ten through Q school and I met you in 2015, kind of in the fall when I'm coming out. So I've had a chance to kind of observe you and kind of your work ethic, what, what you do in the gym, how hard you work on the golf course, your preparation from, from the my lens at least is I think that you're one of the hardest workers on the tour. I'm sure that's something you pride yourself on as well. Was that something that came natural to you even a junior golf and when you turn pro or did you learn that once you got out on tour, it's like, man, I got to keep working hard to stay out here for, you know, you've been out there for however many years now. I can't do the math, which is a great, it's a great time for somebody who's had a great career. Yeah, I've always been a hard worker. It was instilled in me by my parents where we are, we're a blue collar to the tee. My parents, my dad working structure for 50 years, my mom, you know, I can never know exactly what she did. But she did some buying, selling for companies and neither my parents had a college degree. My mom actually went back when she was in the early 50s and got a degree. But yeah, I, the hard work portion has always been instilled in me. I mean, I got dropped off in the golf course, doing a summer at 7 a.m. And I got picked up, you know, 7 p.m. You know, it's just the way it was. Yeah. So I was always at the golf course, always worked hard, like I said, I mean, I, I've worked many of the construction jobs with my dad, having to wake up four o'clock in the morning be, leave the house at five, be on the job site at six, one sun's up, we're working from sun up to sundown, you know, did that several times growing up for, you know, seven, ten plus days. So working, you know, 12, 14, 15, 16 hours a day, a job site when my dad is, is nothing unusual and nothing that, that I'm, I'm, I'm used to that. And so I carried that in the golf because I didn't want to go work construction. If I'm going to spend 16 hours doing something, I'd rather do it on the golf course instead of working at some job site, you know, being a grunt guy. And so, so yeah, I, I've always had it. I love working the game. I love it. And I think when you love something and you're really passionate about it, you don't mind putting in the hours like you enjoy it and it's not always enjoyable. But for the most part, it is enjoyable because you're seeing, you know, the benefits of getting better. You've seen, you know, the, the success of the hard work come to fruition at some point in time down that road. Yeah. I think if you ask Scotty Shuffler is Andrew Shuffley about the money that they've made this year from how well they've played. I think they would, their answer would be, I don't, I don't really care. Like, yeah, it's nice. But, you know, what, what we look to as athletes is to put a plan in place, go out, work your tail at it and to be able to execute it throughout the week. And then at the end of the week, it's a bonus. It's like, great. This is, you know, this is the goal I set out and I was able to stick to my plan and work harder than everybody else. And that is the fun of being a professional athlete. Am I right? It is. It is. If it doesn't always come, you don't get as many successes as, as you would say, possibly failures in the game. But when you, when you have those weeks and you have, you know, those opportunities, it's exciting. Listen, it is fun. Listen, the British Open was it. I mean, let me, the British Open, the Open, let me make sure I open the UK past this. You're a last hand guy. What a matter. You get away with it. I get away with it a little bit. No, but the Open Championship, listen, you know, I've obviously people have been, you know, congratulating me on a great week for, for the last couple of weeks and, and, and I've been discussing it with them and, and, and I've told them, I said, I was disappointed when I walked off the golf course because I didn't win, but I played exactly the way I wanted. Yes. I missed a little short putted eight. Yes. I didn't hit a good iron shot at 10, but I hit some really quality shots. I just didn't make enough putts. Xanda played it humbly around the golf. I, I held my own. I felt comfortable in the situation. The situation never took, you know, took over me at all and I felt really good. And I was, even though I finished second, even though I was disappointed, I didn't win. And, and, you know, it's something I've always wanted to do is, is win a major. And, you know, having to know how many opportunities you're going to get, you know, I take advantage of the ones you do. I was still very happy with, with my entire week and it sort of, you know, gives you that little kick of extra confidence. It gives you a little kick to continue to work harder and you carry that little high for a little, for a little while because, you know, like, man, I know I was so close. I just want to get back in that arena as quickly as I can. It's a shame that it's nine months away back to the next major championship. For you, I imagine that's for your stage of the career. You just want as many at bats at major championships as you can get, especially, you know, coming off an open championship where you finish T two. And luckily for me, Billy, I had the best seat in the house on Saturday, you know, getting to watch the, the group of the day, like, you know, I go out there and I get the Billy Marshall, Justin Rose pairing and I go, you know, I had actually gone out a little earlier. I think I was with Sam Burns and, and Jordan's group and I'm out there watching him. The rain wasn't there yet. And I'm watching these guys make birdies and I'm thinking to myself, it's like, God, there's these guys right now in this wave are able to really play themselves into the golf tournament because of the projected forecast that we had. And so I finished their group. I go get some lunch and the head to the range and while I'm heading to the range, it's, it's raining and it's, it's raining pretty good. So I go and watch yours and Justin Rose is warm up and I'm thinking to myself, I was like, man, this is like, I think this is the lightest it's going to be all day. And this is kind of brutal. I mean, what was your mindset when you got on the range, you're warming up and you have to just get so mentally prepared for just absolute open championship type weather. Yeah. Listen, I think as any professional golfer, we don't mind playing in a rain and, and the wind and the cold, like it's fine, but we want to warm up in good conditions. We don't want to warm up in the rain. Like it's, it's like, if it's windy, it's cold, it's fine, but when it's rainy, it's just like, gosh, it's, you don't, I mean, for me, I don't know what other guys like, but I don't, I don't swing the same winter when it's rainy. Like I'm a, I'm just always like, it's little half swings to be quarter swings. I'm not swinging full out because I want to control the golf ball. And so you're not really just warming up in the rain is just never fun. And so I knew it was going to be a brutal day of golf. I knew going out was going to be really tough because that when it was coming from the Southwest and I knew when we, when we actually never mind, it was coming, it was coming from the Northwest. So I knew going out, the wind was going to be down and it was going to be helping and we got to take advantage of some of the holes early because I knew when we turn, it was supposed to pick up and get a little worse and, you know, we didn't know what to expect. And so, you know, I went out and I, I got off to a really good start. You know, I was four under, I think after seven holes or something like that. It was probably the easiest pen they had all week there, but still you and Justin both made twos there. And that's when I was like, okay, this, this group's about to get it going here. Yeah. And so yeah, it was, it was, it was tough. And then when we turned around, I think 10 wasn't that big of a deal because we hit, I hit driver Rosie at three wood and the ball didn't go very far. Number 10, but I didn't like hit it full out. And so I was like, okay, no big deal. And that hit, I hit, I got to 11 and I was lucky enough on Tuesday, I teed off really early on Tuesday. I went off at 6.50 and I played the first nine holes and no win. And when I got to the backside, that North win came in. So I had a really good nine holes are prepping for, you know, at least the win, you know, the lines. And so I hit my T shot at 11 and I pushed it a little bit, cut it a little bit more than I wanted. I thought no big deal. You know, I think, I thought it was in a fair way. And then when I got up to, I was, when I saw I was only three yards away from the course. And I was like, holy smokes. And I saw Rosie's and he sat in two iron in the green and obviously I played it safe and just laid up with a five iron. I was like, wow. And then we get to number 13 and we hit that T shot and I was like, this is going to be, this is going to be some fun golf coming in. And yeah, listen, it was, it was one heck of a day. And I think in those conditions, when you play an open championship and I've been fortunate enough to play in the Dunhill the last three or four years and play at least one round like that every, every day or at least one round every year in that tournament in conditions like that. So you understand after playing that what you can and can't do, you know, physically, mentally and everything. And, and no, you just have to bump the ball, keep the ball in play, not do anything stupid. You got to rely on your short game, make some putts because you know, it's going to be a tough day. You know, you're going to be, you know, bogeys are going to happen and you're just really trying to limit the damage you can. And I did a really good job. The entire day, the only thing I was, I was frustrated with when I walked off that golf course was that a bogeyed 18 after being in the middle of fairway. And so that was the only thing that I was disappointed with, but it was still a great round of golf and some really tough conditions. There are a lot of reasons some people choose cannabis, whether you're tapping into your creative side or just trying to relax. The one thing we won't do is make it any more safe or legal to drive afterwards. You can slow reaction times, for example, and if you thought a few eyedrops helped you get away with it, know that people can tell when you've been smoking marijuana, including law enforcement. If you feel different, you drive different, drive high, get a DUI. My Wrangler jeans from Walmart are legit my favorite go-to pants. They got that slim cut that's always fresh for going out. Hey, what's up? It's a durable enough, even for my shift. And stretchy enough for when I want to kick back and chill with the movie. So basically, they can do it all, hand on my budget. I mean, come on, you really can't beat all that. Shop your Wrangler pants at Walmart. Well, I think that's an understatement. By my just lens that day, it was one of the more impressive rounds I've ever witnessed. You know, I thought the front-night, I know you said that there was an opportunity for some scoring there. I still felt like it was hard just with the conditions. I know the conditions were favorable, but still you went out and just absolutely just you hit every single fairway and every single green on the front side, which is exactly what the game plan called for. And up until that point in the week, I mean, you're waiting, you're waiting the field and fairway's hit, green's hit, you're just absolutely destroying this golf course by putting the ball in the fairway and avoiding the bunkers. And then we turned around and go to that back nine. And it was so opposite of the front of fairways and greens, it didn't matter. I mean, you were hitting fairways, but it was just a green zone, but I mean, you could barely even get to them. I mean, you're hitting three, there were six parfives on the back nine, right? So you had about 40, 60 yards on a couple of holes where you're trying to get up and down, you get up and down, of course, on both of them. And I'm just sitting there watching them like it. This is literally like, I don't even know if Billy knows he's or Justin know, they're playing in an open right now because it looks like they're just in their own world out, chipping and putting and just enjoying just playing in the elements. And that's what it looked like from my perspective. Yeah, it was that listen, I mean, it was, you know, you knew you were an obviously open championship, but like it was, it was enjoyable. And obviously when you're playing well in those conditions, it makes it more enjoyable. There's no doubt about it. But I don't know what it was. Obviously, Rosie's a really good friend, Food, she's a really good friend, food caddy for me for a few years. But it was just one of those things where it just that day, I was just really excited about playing golf and I was excited, you know, when I made the turn to playing conditions like that. And like I said, I think because I played in conditions like that, a little bit more off than most guys, and Rosie has too, obviously being a European tour player and everything, he's playing these conditions quite a bit too. You just sort of enjoying, you understand that this, the golf you're going to play is not pretty golf. It's just about getting the ball in the hole with the least amount of shots possible. You're not going to hit pretty golf shots, you're not going to, the swing is not going to feel pretty. Nothing's going to feel pretty, but what's pretty is when you walk off the green, you made a par on a really tough, you know, like on 15, you make par on 15, I got, I was really a good par there. Oh my God. Was it ever? I was, I was audibly laughing at, at Rosie the entire day, or at least the back nine because every single shot he got over, he got frustrated with the bill of his cap. So you then he kept on moving it, he, and then he would turn it around and you the entire day, you're like, I'm back. Retat. I'm not dealing with it. And Rosie kept on getting the noise. Like this raindrop and then, and then it's his grips and then it was just every single shot he had to back off to get his grips and it was the whole back nine. And I don't know how many towels they went through. I went through a lot. Yeah. I mean, it had to be eight or nine. It was up there. Yeah. Yeah. I love food. And, and, and he's going to give me some stick to be here this, but he does it and he's caddie for me too. So I know this. He doesn't really do a good job of keeping towels dry. Let's just say that. So he's got always have a lot of towels. I mean, when you're caddie for me, you know, I remember opened up the bag one day and had like five towels in there and we knew it was going to be like, why do you have five towels? And like, now I know, I mean, obviously I figured out why because obviously I figured out why because obviously, you know, it's caddie for me. It doesn't really do a good job to the towels dry. Like, I think I went through two or three towels, but, but yeah, they were, they were struggling a little bit over there, but yeah, it was funny. The best thing about it. I see Mark Blackburn left with the 14th green and he's got seven towels in his hand that he's about to hand to the, to the guys to, to get some clean towels. And I was like, my goodness, this is, this is just comical. We were walking down an 11 fairway and I saw food's talking to, I don't know if it was a rules official or, or one of the, you know, stay, and walkers wear this and then I'm like, okay, what's that all about? And then we walk off number 12 T and the guys are like, okay, we got towels coming out. And then on 13, you know, on 12 green, there's a bag of towels that comes out. And, and in food, she's like, this is just a disgrace that they didn't have any towels on number 10, with all the rain, they should have had towels out there and the little player at Villa 10 out there with towels. And so I just started laughing. I was like, food, so that was funny. It's just, so I love the way you kind of approach the, the round, which is very blue collar, which is, you know what, rain jacket. I'm good. I'm just going to get wet. I'm going to be cold. And I'm just going to deal with it. But you kind of mentioned, you know, swinging in rain jackets. You never swing like yourself and it's raining and it's cold and it's windy and you're just bunting around and that's literally I'm watching, you know, when I stand 50 yards out in front these shots of your hip, they're just go like, they just kind of bun it out there. I'm like, well, at least he's keeping it in front of them because that's what you have to do on this back nine. Exactly. You know, it wasn't raining hard enough for me to keep the jacket on all the time. It was just one of those, you know, at times it got hard, it rained hard. So I kept it on a few holes to swing. But the other time is just like, man, it just, it's not, I, I'm just going to take that jacket off and I'm going to swing without it because I, I'm just going to make better swings and the ball is going to go a little bit further without me having the rain jacket on because I put the rain jacket on. It's going to go a bit shorter with everything. So yeah, I just, I was, you know, I got the idea because I've never seen a PGA tour player do it. A male golfer do it. But I've got the idea because I watch enough golf on a golf fan act. So I watch a lot of golf. And so I've seen these LPGA girls, whether it was rainy or whether it's cold, like they have this one jacket that they put on and when they go to hit, they take it off and then they put it on, they put that jacket back on. I'm like, I'm thinking myself, I'm going to do that today because that's, that's what I want to do. And I don't care. And, and people like, man, you, you didn't wear a jacket at all. I said, no, I was taking on and off. So people thought, some people thought I didn't wear a jacket at all. I said, no, I had a jacket on. I said it just was, it was raining too hard for me not to, you know, not to have a jacket on in between shots because then I would have just gotten drinks with it, the shirt would be just been soaking wet by, you know, within a whole and a half. I mean, it was a, I mean, it was a lot for me as an on course commentator to keep up with the L screen. It was just, there was a lot going on that day. And I, if you finish out the day, it was, it was fun to watch. And then Sunday, of course, you, you know, everything just kind of ended up to where you're now, you're in the final group and you have a lead. So tell me about your mindset going into Sunday because I felt like the most difficult thing about the week at Trune was not really knowing what exactly a good score was going to be in your pocket. You're exactly right. And that's the open championship for you, depending on, you know, when you tee off and the conditions, you know, even par one under was a really good score and then other times if their conditions were favorable, like you could shoot five, six on the par or it could be opposite way, like playing Saturday, you know, two, three over par, even though that's, you know, you hate shooting that high, it's still a possibility. And that's not actually a bad score. So, yeah, I felt good on Sunday. I woke up. I was, I felt relaxed. I was, you know, just chatting away with my team, Todd Anderson and Mark Horton was there. We had a buddy up from London, George Jennings hanging out with us all week. And so, yeah, it was fun that morning. I felt relaxed and comfortable. And I wasn't nervous at all. And usually sometimes when that happens, when I get on the first tee, I start feeling the nerves and I didn't, I didn't feel any nerve. And I felt comfortable. I was, I felt relaxed. I was excited about, you know, what was going on that day. And I think, I think for me, and I talked about, you know, an interview Saturday night, I, I'm different. I want to address the situation. I can't sort of not think about winning the Open Championship and I cannot just sort of, you know, plug it off to the side. And I think, yeah, it's helpful for me. And I remember Shane Lowry talking about it. I think Saturday night, you know, when he had the chance, when he was leading the Open Championship at Port Rush, he talked about, you know, envisioning himself winning the Open Championship and, and, and just, you know, what that would mean and feel like, I think he talked about that with his team and, you know, I did something very similar to that. And a lot of times of when I'm nervous, or at least in that stage when you're playing really well and you're up near your lead, the reason I'm nervous is because obviously I could play well, I could be, I could play bad. But I'm nervous because if I play bad, I'm worried that people who don't know me, don't care about me, you know, they're going to say that on social media, like, oh, you, you know, you suck, whatever. We know what they're, we know, you know, social media. We all know social media. You know, what those, you know, trolls do on social media. And I'm like, why am I, if that's the reason I'm nervous and I shouldn't be nervous because they have no importance in my life and they couldn't even come closer to doing what I do on the golf course. So at that point, I was like, man, that's the only reason I'm nervous. And I'm not worried about playing bad. I know I'm going to play well. And I know the people that care about me and love me, they're going to still care about me and love me, you know, whether I win this or not, they're not, it's not going to change anything. And so I was like, man, I'm only nervous because I'm worried that if I don't play well, people are going to say things about me that just aren't true and, and, and, and so that was it. And when I realized that I was like, yeah, let's just go enjoy it. Like there's, you know, you're going to play well. So let's not worry about what someone says that has no importance in your life whatsoever. And that's your personality, too. You're a guy that doesn't back down from any challenge. So that, that's cool that you have the insight and just, you know, knowing, Harry, what's going to be my trigger if I do get nervous. So that's really cool that you just mentioned that. And, and so now that you, you're, you're on the tee, you're in a good mindset, you know, for somebody, again, I was out on the course earlier that day. And the wind was howling of Sunday mid morning. I'm thinking to myself, okay, I'm trying to figure, like I'm, I'm out here on the back nine. If the golf course is going to play like this, I think, I think the winner, I think it's going to be right around four under. This in my head, just being out there. This is what I thought the number was going to be. So how difficult was it for you showing up to the first tee? Did you have a number in mind? And when did you allow yourself to start looking at the leaderboard or was it just looking in your own group and seeing kind of where the lead was with how well Lawrence was playing on the front nine? Yeah. I think, you know, waking up that morning, like you said, it was pumping. And when we got to golf course, it was still pumping, but the forecast called for the wind to die down sort of late somewhere on the backside possibly. I didn't actually have a number at all in my head. I, I think when I'm winning a golf tournament, or I'm leading a golf tournament. And for the most part, whenever I've been leading, I've never had a number. I just, I'm like, hey, if I go out there and I play my golf game today, if I play the way I will play, like no one's going to catch me. Like I'm going to, you know, it's, it's going to be done. So, um, but I would have said, you know, if you get by the front nine, because it was pumping wind, then the back nine, the wind was supposed to lay down and if it shifted to the way it was supposed to, I think it was supposed to come from Southwest, but it just came straight from the rest. It was, yeah. Yeah. Which was a, it wasn't in off the left, like it was Saturday and it wasn't down off the left like I'd been early in the week. It was just straight West, which was a little bit different, but we knew it wasn't going to be it from a Northwest Western direction. So there was possibility of some scores being had. I just thought, you know, maybe I'm like, man, if I go out there, I shoot a couple on the par. I think it's probably going to be good. Like if I got the two, maybe, but I thought three for sure, get the seven. And then obviously I got off to a really good start, you know, Mr. Bertie put it seven. I actually didn't hit a bad West shot at eight, just misjudged to win the little bit and missed a short putt there for par. And then obviously Tristan played really good on that front nine. He had a two shot lead, or at least a two shot lead over me going to the backside. He played aggressively from what I could hear in my ear. Like just on nine to your driver, right? Yeah. He'd drive around. I was like, he pulled driver out nine. I'm like, where is this guy hitting this? He'd drive on one. He'd drive on to it. He'd drive on three. It's 15 yards wide. Oh nine. Yeah. And so and he hits his drive and it's perfect. But I was like, gosh, and I love that because he played his game. He's like, hey, this is what I, and obviously I didn't play with him the first two rounds. But if that's what he did every day, you know, the first three days and he stuck with it, like you got to give Kudos to that guy because he didn't change his game plan for the moment. He's like, I'm playing the way I played all week and I'm going to go out the way I want to go out. And so I was impressive and, and I thought when he made Bertie, I'm like, man, he's playing really good. And this is going to be a tough one because now I'm two back with nine holes ago. Obviously, there's opportunity still to, you know, make up ground, but it just didn't look like he was going to back down. Looked like, man, he's going to go out there and shoot one of those rounds where, you know, like Zana did, you know, he was four under after nine holes and I thought, man, he's going to shoot six or seven and this is going to be a tough one. And obviously he just made a mistake at number 12 and then nothing he didn't do anything coming in. But yeah, and so I thought, I, I really thought Driston was a guy I had to worry about making it backside. And then when I got to number 12 or 13, I saw a leaderboard, I'm like, dang, Zander. And then he birdied another one. And then he birdied another one. And then he birdied another one. And I was like, and so obviously playing 16, I think I was four back at the time or five back, whatever I was, and obviously I birdied the last three holes and, and Zana finished at the nine or 10 on the par and we finished at seven or eight, two shots back. I think it was. So yeah, I was impressed around the golf that Zana played, especially at backside. I mean, I, I just watched the, the coverage of the fun around in the last couple of days and, and he didn't miss a shot. I mean, I was pretty impressed at golf and listen, he's played that way all year. And that was, you know, it was, it wasn't like it was unexpected. That was expected based off the way he's played all year. Yeah. And if you go and finish T two in a major, you don't, you don't want to feel like, you know, that, that there was something that you could have done differently. Yeah. You talked about a miss potted eight or an iron shot at 10. But I mean, from, from my vantage point, I felt like it's, that's kind of getting ticky tacky. Right. Like you're going to hit bad shots and a golf tournament. And if you're going to lose, you want to lose to a guy that goes out and just hits unreal shots is, which is what he did, just the execution level down the stretch. We've seen Zander and Scotty both do it this year and it's, it's been pretty damn impressive to watch. But one of the things I did notice and I caught onto this while I was out there and I know you're a West Ham guy, I kept on here and like, come on, irons and I was like, what are the people saying, but like you're, you're kind of like the European of, of, of the Americans for us. Like you're, you're like our spy, right? Like you're the guy that we send out there and you, you kind of are the middle ground for us with these European fans or I guess the English soccer fans, I should say. Yeah. I've got a very good relationship with the UK fans. They've, they've been really great to me. You know, it started back in 2019 when I played, when I played Wentworth, I just enjoyed it over there a lot and, and they embraced me. And then obviously a couple of years later, I won the BMW PGA in 21. I, I rocked the West Ham bag at the Open Championship in 21 for the first time. And then that opened up an entire new like door for them and me because I was supporting a club. That's a very blue collar club. That's not one of the top clubs in, in the country or in the familiar league. And I, and then I was, I said at the same time, like I'm, I'm supporting West Ham, but I'm supporting like the, the support that they found that, you know, they, they found the soccer. They, they invented soccer and so, or football. And so they wanted, so just embracing, you know, realizing, hey, here's an American who loves football. He supports West Ham, like this is really cool. And they've been great, not just the West Ham fans, but also the supporters of other clubs and everything. I get so many messages on, on social media, they're like, Hey, Billy, we're a bit, really big fan of yours. Um, only thing we don't like is that you're a West Ham fan, you know, we're a Spurs fan or a Blues fan or a Reds fan, whatever it may be, Liverpool fan. I mean, you know, it's, it's one of those things where, um, they've really embraced me and taken them, um, and taken me under the wing. Um, I've been very appreciative of that and I've showed that to them. And I think obviously that's where our relationship has, has grown and, and listen, it's, it's awesome. I get questions all the time about the Ryder Cup and everything. And they're like, Hey, do you have any English blood in yet? Is there any way you can be part of the European Ryder Cup team? Um, and they're like, we would love to have you, but listen, it's, it's awesome. I love it over there. I love playing. I love the culture. I love, um, you know, spend the time over there, um, you know, outside of golf, I probably make three to five trips over to the UK to London a lot of times, the, the hangout with friends and, and to go to some West Ham, um, games. So yeah, it's been really cool. And like you said, yeah, they say, come on your irons or up at Amherst are the two things they say. And then to be serenaded with the song that we're, uh, synonymous with, with, uh, forever blowing bubbles. Uh, that's another thing that's really cool. And I mean, listen, they, they sung that on number 12 on Saturday when I walked up to the green, someone started singing and everyone started singing around the green. And listen, I've had that happen many a time, but right then and there at the open championship, it was special. Um, it was special. And I literally got goosebumps. I just, I, I just want them, you know, coolest moments that I've had in my career. Yeah. That's too cool. And I, from doing some research just on West Ham before, uh, talking with you, Billy, I guess green street hooligans is kind of how you became acquainted with the West Ham's football club. So now, uh, you know, not that I get very much time to watch movies or anything, but I got to do the little recon and, uh, watch green street hooligans because hey, maybe I'm going to be a West Ham guy. And listen, it's a great movie. I love it. It's, I'm not one of those guys that are those people that, uh, really care about the plot and the storylines and everything in it. I think it's a cool storyline. Um, I just liked the watching enjoyable movie and it's enjoyable movie to watch. And Charlie Hunter was the first time that I've ever seen him as an actor. And now I'm a massive Charlie Hunter fan, whatever movie he's in or anything. Like I love watching him as an actor, um, and then Elijah Wood was in it. So listen, I think it's a really cool movie. Like I said, that's how I got into being a West Ham fan watching in 2006 in college. And I was absolutely looked for so fast that the movies, not even about football, it's about the firms and supporters of a club and, and, and the fighting aspect, the hooliganism behind, um, the clubs, like all I thought about, man, I, I was loved to be, you know, part of one of these that I think was ICF or IFC, I think it was ICF, um, was what the firm was in West Ham, um, and I was like, man, I want to just be part of this firm. I want to go, you know, just fight guys before games and everything or anywhere else. Like that's, I just want to be able to fight people like I, I, I just start, listen, I thought it was a cool thing, but then you come to find out that it was a real thing back in, in the day, in the, in the 70s, 80s and early 90s and then people died, you know, in, in these, in these, uh, fights that these clubs, uh, these firms, uh, sports of the clubs. I need to check this out. It's a real deal. It's a real deal. And it's a real, uh, real thing. So yeah, like I said, I, I, I love it. I'm, I'm happy to be part of the West Ham family. They've taken me in as own and it's, it's just been really cool. Okay. Who wins a trophy first? Florida football or West Ham in, let's say the FA Cup or, uh, maybe, well, we were fortunate enough. We were good enough to win a Europe, Europa conference league two years ago, which is another competition, but it's like the lowest of the three years of competition and it's a question. Like who wins a trophy next? Is it SCC championship for Ford or is it does West Ham find a trophy before Ford? I, I think the betting odds would probably say maybe gosh, I, I don't know. You tell me, I don't know what the betting odds would say. I would say, right now with, with the, the group of players we've put together over the last, uh, couple of months in the summit transfer window for West Ham, I would think that we have a, a good chance over the next couple of years of winning a trophy, whether it be FA, Caribou, I mean, for merely, it's tough to win, but we get ourselves back into the Europa, um, well, we, you know, competition, yeah, you know, you got, you know, you got champions, you got Europa, you got, you got Europa league and you got Europa conference. So I would think West Ham right now with the group of squad, we, we put together, I think new manager, um, was fortunate enough to be around the team this past week down in Tampa when they were playing, uh, some of their preseason stuff. I think, uh, his, uh, his style of playing, everything's going to be really entertaining for us. But I think West Ham, um, has the better chance right now, just because you got new players coming in every couple of years at Florida, it's a college team, you can get them for two, three, four years and they're gone, you know, so it's tougher to, to predict, but, um, I don't think Florida's too far behind. I think whether this year is going to be tough, obviously, Graham Murch is going to, I think have a great year, but we've got a lot of great young talent and DJ lag away and, and some other players. He looks good. He looks good. Yeah. Um, it's first guy off a bus quarterback type of guy exactly. And, uh, I think Billy Napier and his staff is putting together a really good recruiting class over this past year and the, in the couple of years it comes. So I mean, it's head to head, but I'm going to say West Ham probably gets it done because there's more opportunities when a trophy than that Florida as he sees brutal too. So what's this? All right. 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All right, a couple more topics I want to get through before we finish this interview up with you, Billy. This has been great. And one of the conversations I want to get into real quick is the PGA Tour points distribution list. Like you're in a position to be able to speak upon this mainly because you've been on tour a really long time and there's been a lot of change. You know, it used to be 500 points to the winner, you know, there there'd be some elevation and some big events. But now the way the points distribution was is catered towards the signature events and not towards the open events. You're somebody that wasn't in the top 50 heading into this year. Is that correct? Yeah, correct. Okay, just making sure I saw what I was like, okay, what did I mean? No, no, because I was like, man, you really, when you, when you look at where you stand this year, Billy, you're 27th on the FedEx Cup. So you have to be so proud of how well you've played to be in 27th, considering the challenges there are with not being in all the signature events like you have been. Yeah, I've had a really solid year. Like you said, I mean, I'm 27th in the FedEx points list. I do have a win. Obviously it was the opposite field event. I mean, it gets you 300 points, but, you know, it's 200 less than an open event and it's 400 less than a signature event. So yeah, I've had a really solid year of golf had played really well. I did get in three signature events. I played well in one of them, I played well in Memorial Day, I finished top 15th, some around there. And so that was a boost and points that way. But yeah, listen, the way the points are now. It's really tough to really be high on that FedEx Cup points list. You have to play well in an open field event. You got to win an open event, you have to be consistently playing well week in a week out, take advantage of opportunities to begin some signature events. So yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where we all knew what the model is going to be. We all knew how it was going to turn out. And I think, you know, for me, after the year I had last year that come back this year and which I never doubted myself. I knew I was going to play well this year. I just, it was just nice to see, you know, coming off the worst year of my professional career on the PGA tour to come back and have a really solid year and get back, get back and continue to move forward to where I want to be back in the game of golf. Do you like the system that we have now? Do you think it's fair? I don't think it's unfair, I think there's things we can do. I think I've said this for, I've been on tour for 15, 16 years now and so before we even before Piff and Lib was ever around, I've had many conversations with, you know, people on the PGA tour, players on the PGA tour, executives at the PGA tour that we needed to, you know, look at trying to make our tours stronger and, you know, a couple of opportunities, a couple of things I suggested was that I understand that this does take away opportunities but I felt like we have too many guys on the PGA tour that have a PGA tour card. I think if we would to reduce that number, I think that makes us a stronger tour already just by taking away cards, you make it a stronger tour already. It gives that guys who come from the Corn Fairy tour opportunities to get in open events more and more open events instead of having to place so many opposite field events, we could possibly get rid of the opposite field events. I think we could reduce our schedule a little bit to make it even a little bit more defined so we're not going up and it just makes it, you know, a stronger product because we do have so many great sponsors out there on the PGA tour as you are well aware of and if there's, you know, less tournaments and you got, you know, a bigger pool of sponsor fighting for having a tournament which is going to be great for the players and is going to be great for everyone involved. So I just think that, you know, we're doing things now that we're trying to make the tour better, whether they're right or wrong, we're trying things out, which I felt like for a long time we really didn't do, we were just very, you know, status quo, you know, improving but not really making the necessary changes and I will give, give, you know, this is, I, there's a lot of things that people aren't aware of that aren't in, in the know and, and I'm fortunate obviously I'm a PGA tour player so I have conversations with the PGA tour execs quite a bit, obviously I live in Parnabyja but they were well aware of what needed to be done on the PGA tour. They knew, they knew we needed to make changes to continue to progress. They knew the model that we had, you know, probably wasn't going to be successful and financially successful for the time being. And so they knew, they needed to do something to continue to have the success that we've had for 40, 50, 60 years on the PGA tour for another 25, 50 plus years. But it's very tough when you have 200 and, you know, 215 plus members, active members on the PGA tour to try and please everyone and you're trying to always, you know, look after everyone and try and make changes, it's always tough to get some of those changes passed and bringing new ideas because you may have one fraction that agrees with it. You may have one fraction that ultimately doesn't agree with it and you have people in the middle. So it's very tough. And I don't think people understand how difficult it is to, to, to make some of those changes but they were aware of it and they were trying to figure out ways to, to do that. And obviously then Piff and Liv comes around and you have to, you get forced to start doing this. And the players start realizing, you know, what some of the PGA tour execs have been trying to tell them and show them. And so then it opens up now the opportunities of the players being open to making changes and everything. And listen, we're still another two, maybe three years away from ultimately seeing what the PGA tour looks like, what the game of golf looks like. So I think, I think for most part, it's been, it's been beneficial for everyone, every professional player in the game of golf. And what's happening, it gives you the opportunity to continue to play well and reap the rewards financially and, and, and competitively wise. And then I think, you know, we got to make sure that the biggest thing is that obviously the sponsors are, are, have been great and are going to be there but we need to make sure that fans are, are, are getting taken care of and everything, they, they add the energy, they add the excitement. We love playing in front of them. You know how it was doing, COVID, how awful that was, I mean, it was the worst time in golf I've ever had. It's playing in front of no fans, it sucked. But I love playing in front of them because they bring such a great energy and enthusiasm and, and, and for me, it energizes me playing in front of, front of fans that are excited to be out there and watching golf. So listen, I think when it's all said and done, everyone involved in game of golf, we're all going to come out winners, which is, which is what ultimately should happen. And you, you mentioned about 215, I mean, that's, it's a huge number. And I feel like the players realize we got to get the best players playing together for, for not only for TV, the fans, but you know, it's just the best possible product. Do you, do you feel like, you know, I say you mentioned two or three years, but do you feel like there's like a sweet spot number in mind of what that number could be? Is it a, is it a hundred guys? Do you fail? Do you feel like the other players have kind of a general idea of what that number may look like? I think every, I think every player is different than the number. Listen, the signature events have been great, you know, in the sense of you're going to top players together, setting man fields. I do believe though we need to have a few, I think the fields need to be larger. I think you need to bring in more storylines. I think the fans will get a little bored, get a little disinterested. If we're continuing to have the same top players play in these signature events, yeah, it's exciting to see them play, but the best storylines in golf are always when there's a David and a Goliath because you have top players that you're expecting when you have these stories and the David's that, you know, oh man, how cool would that be? That guy's been grinding on tour for seven years and he's got opportunity to win the biggest event in his career and make the biggest check of his life and, I mean, how that changes his life and changes his trajectory in the game of golf is unbelievable. And listen, when you have Goliath versus Goliath, it's awesome like you did a US Open Championship with Rory and Bryson and Patrick Cantley and everything and there are some storylines in there as well. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all, but it's US Open. It's going to be great because it's one of the four biggest events of golf. And so you're always going to have interest in majors, no matter what. But I think for the PGA tour, you need to have more David virtual lives. You need to have those opportunities for those players. And so I think I would like to see as I was supportive of these signature events being a smaller setting man field at the time, you know, I was supportive of them. But I also wanted to see more of the David's being involved and I do believe if we increase those, those fields a little bit, you get more of those great storylines that the fans are really interested in when you have those opportunities. And it does come, you know, it does work out perfectly for the entertainment aspect of golf. One of my favorite events this year, Billy, was probably you mentioned David versus Goliath. But when I think of David's on tour now, I just think of the young guys that just haven't gotten the opportunities that people have seen their name. They want to see, can they go up against these guys? For me, it was Davis Riley up against Scottie, chef, we're in Colonial and Davis goes out and it's like, dude, I've won on every level too. I just need opportunities. And I thought that to me is like the David versus Goliath that I'm really interested in is like, I want, I want these young guys like Dorne Bjorkson, Luke Clanton. These are the guys I wanted to see more opportunities to, which I think PGA tour you has been a great avenue for for guys like Davis Thompson and Lou Vigoberg and you've seen how how this young generations helped kind of create that David versus Goliath storyline that maybe in the past years, it was a 15 year veteran. I think it's just changing a little bit because these, you know, the audience isn't quite familiar maybe with these younger players. Yeah, you know, when you're, when you come out of college, obviously, you know, if you're a golf nut, you may know them. But if you're, you know, just a regular golf fan, you're not aware of who they are or what they've done. It takes a little bit of time for the golf fan to identify, you know, with these players a little bit. But I think the tour has done a really good job. You know, early in my career, you know, the tour was basque because they weren't promoting enough of the young guys and giving them enough opportunity to be on TV, like in the featured groups and everything. And I think they've done a better job of that. ESPN+ and these early round coverage and these featured groups have done great. And since of getting the players that the tour believe are, you know, have star power or are going to be stars exposure or or and giving them the exposure. It's been great for the fans to get to know them that way. Yeah, and I just think that it's exciting. I think back to like listen, Nick Taylor, Nick Taylor has been on tour for a little while now. But I remember two years ago, Nick Taylor at Phoenix having the opportunity against Scottie Shelford to go, you know, up against them and and he can't finish second. That's a great example. That was the biggest payday in his career, unless I hate talking about the financials of it. I despise it. Honestly, to tell you the truth, I mean, many years now, I've told the tour, especially at the tour championship, we need to tell TV to stop talking about how much money the FedEx company, the person gets because I know, you know, because of how I growing up, people don't want to know about the millions of dollars they make. They don't want to be repeatedly told how much money they're playing for and everything. It makes him feel even smaller, which is not what we want to do. But when you have stories like a Nick Taylor against Scottie Shelfler at Phoenix and just loses in a playoff, I think it was. And then a couple months later, he goes and wins Canada because everyone knew Nick Taylor at the waste management and he's just sitting second and then he goes to the Canadian Open and has an unbelievable weekend and makes an unbelievable, evil play against Tommy Fleetwood in the playoff. Like, man, that's a story right there that's really cool that people connect. And now Nick Taylor's probably has his recognition over the last 18 months has gone up because of what happened at Phoenix and then that arena. And most likely going to be probably a president's cupboard for international team, Nick Taylor, has had a great season and Billy, you're someone that, you know, had an incredible run through the playoffs, winning the tour championship and the FedEx Cup. And kind of, you're really the person that kind of altered the way the president's cup and Ryder Cup teams are picked now because it used to be more guys exempt and then less picks. Now there's criticism on the other side, it's like are too many guys getting picked. So for you right now, I mean, where are you staying? I feel like you have a tremendous opportunity with the season that you've had, how well you've played. Maybe if you take all the numbers away from signature events and open events and just put that, the numbers in front, you're probably right there. Do you feel like heading into the president's cup, which you've played in Quail Hollow? Do you feel like how much work do you feel like needs to be done to make that team? Yeah. You know, it's really interesting because I think I'm like 22 in the FedEx, I mean, the president's cup points list and I obviously that takes a two year window and so obviously not playing well in 23 hurt me, but I feel like, you know, I was shocked at because of the year I've had where I'm in the FedEx right now, I thought it would be higher up. But I feel like if I play well these next four weeks, you know, I'm going to have to get a pick. I'm not going to obviously qualify in the top six, but I feel like if I play well and I continue to do what I've done this year, you know, you know, if I can get another win that obviously, you know, increasing my chances and everything. But I think if you were to possibly look at it in the sense of like you said, I think, you know, maybe there is an opportunity for me to pick, but listen, there's so many great guys. I mean, it's tough to make a United States team right now. I mean, I don't think people understand how strong and how deep golf is on the United States side and to be able to make a team in today's day and age is really a challenge. I mean, it's the toughest it's ever been in the history of these team competitions to try and make one of these teams and so to be able to try and make my second president's cup team would be unbelievable, you know, goal of mine, accomplishment. And then, you know, I'm in a really good position right now with, you know, a year out to possibly make my first Ryder cup team, which that's, you know, that's one of the three goals I still have left. I don't I don't have accomplished, you know, making a Ryder cup team, winning a major and winning, giving it a 10 plus wins on the PJ two or those are three goals that I have left I want to accomplish and so yeah, I'm in a really good position right now to hopefully I continue to play well over the next year, make up my first Ryder cup team, which would be awesome at Bette page. I mean, those fans are going to, you know, be so rocketed and I think I think whether you're a United States team player or a European player, I think we're, you know, some guys are going to be coming away with and I want to say this lightly, I'm not saying this, you know, listen, people deal with this, you know, you know, for living in it's really a tough thing. But PTSD, there's going to be some players walk away with a little PTSD just because it's stuff that they hear if they don't play well in the way they're going to be crucified. It's going to be bad. But like I said, I say it in a light joking way, but seriously, there are people in this world that deal with that as a life threatening, you know, mental illness and so I'm not trying to bring any light to it in that in that way, I don't want to get hammered in, you know, and social media when we play this podcast later. Trust me, we understand the severity of that and I think when it comes to the Ryder cup, I want to see that Billy Horseshoe energy out there because we know we know we know we I want to see the veins coming out of Billy Horseshoe's neck after a mate pot because you I mean, you're somebody that wears your emotions on their sleeve coming down the stretch, which is why I've loved watching you, you know, on the PGA tour and all your eight wins. So as we go out, Billy, I just want to ask a little bit about the Horseshoe Family Foundation. I know that's a project with you and your family that you spend a lot of time on and I was actually seeing a video you put out this week from the Windham Championship Pudding Green on Monday talking about the APGA tour, which you host. So just tell us a little bit about that and how anybody can get involved. Yeah, so, you know, like anybody in life, you want to, you know, give back and give people opportunity that you may not have had or that you've had. And so, you know, we've been involved in our local food bank for 10 plus years for you Northeast Florida. We've had an AJJ event, I think it's our seventh or eighth year having an AJJ event. That's in early October down at a DNA country club and an ocologist outside Gainesville. We've been involved with the K9Fords for the last couple of years, such a great organization. And when I talk about PTSD earlier, you know, this is what, you know, these people, these military men and women coming back from service and dealing with PTSD, you know, having a friend and sense of a dog be there to help comfort them when they're struggling. Like that's, I mean, that is such an unbelievable thing to see. Not induced to them about a decade ago through Tim Tebow doing his charity events and those guys being out at TPCSARgrass and just seeing, you know, how much it meant to them to be able to have a service dog with them to help them through their challenges after coming back serving this great country of ours. And then the APJ event, this is my fourth year holding it. We're going to hold down a concession golf club again last year, our first year down there, first year at TPCSARgrass. Just been unbelievable to be a part of this. I mean, I love these guys. These guys are great personalities, they're great people, they have a zest for life in the game of golf and just trying to help them achieve their dream of trying to make it professionally on the PGA tour and if it doesn't happen, introducing them to people in the business world, you know, even unfortunate enough to have people like Cisco, Velocity Global, BDO, Zurich's been involved, there's other companies as well that have been involved those last few years, introducing them to people in the business world that they can create and foster relationships with so that if golf doesn't work out, they can reach out to these people who are wanting to help people and help these golfers obviously achieve their dream but if not, help them, you know, start their next pass so they can be successful in the game of life. So yeah, it's been great and then so last fall we started our Horsial Family Foundation. We were always going to start a family foundation but it was sort of needed to be at the right time when Brittany, my wife was willing, not willing but when she had time to give more of herself to it, obviously as you know having kids it takes up a lot of time and so we're finally at a point in life where she had a little bit more time, not a lot but a little more time to give to the foundation and it's her baby as I say and so the really big thing behind our foundation is the mental health and addiction, obviously Brittany's being eight years so we're dealing with depression and anxiety is a real thing and I think this world we've been a little bit more accepting of mental health and addiction but it's still a long way to go and still a lot of people out there that are wanting help and needing good help so it's been great to start this foundation. We have four in those four tiers, everything I talked about, we have a hope, healing, health and honor so each of those little categories fall within those little tiers and so it's been great to just see the continuing success of what we've been trying to do over the last decade, continuing to build and I put out a video on Monday at Wyndham to talk about my APJ event, October 20th through the 23rd, just letting people know individuals or people out there in the corporate world who are looking to get into the game of golf, who are looking to help people achieve their dream, that there's opportunities for sponsors still to be involved and like I said it's a great couple of days with these guys, you get to play a great golf course and concession golf club challenging so you may not want to play golf anymore afterwards but yeah and just seeing that these guys are going to be, you know these guys coming through the APJ who are minorities, these guys are going to be the one who can continue to grow the game of golf, listen, when it comes down to reality here I'm a white guy who plays a game of golf and I'm not going to connect with someone in the inner cities as well as someone who looks very similar to them, who has a similar background, inner eccentricity, I'm not going to be able to connect with them as much as someone else that looks like them and so just giving these guys the opportunity, the platform to continue to grow the game of golf because they want to see the game of golf grow, they want to get more minorities involved, they want to see more minorities on the PJ tour and so it's been really cool to be a part of it like I said over the last four years and we're going to continue to grow and I said this two years ago, I said two or three years ago I said, I think it's we're about five years away from having a couple more guys come through the APJ tour that are going to make it to the APJ tour and make it to the PJ tour and so we're a couple years away but there is some really good players on the APJ tour right now, Marcus Bird is out in the Corn Theory tour right now, he's had a decent year but he's going to finish strong and so hopefully here in the next couple of years we don't just have one, we have multiple guys who have come through the APJ tour and make it to the PJ tour so everyone at the APJ tour can and can vently and keep holding them in and the entire staff are working tirelessly to try and you know achieve these goals that they started out you know back in the late 2000s 2008 so. Well I even remember the Monday after Tori Pines this year or maybe it was the year before I'm not sure but I saw you were doing some on course commentary. So you're coming after my job now what's going on here? You do a really good job of it and listen you guys there's people who have a knack at doing that and you and Colt Nosed and a lot of you guys already at the NBC and CBS doing unbelievable job. Thank you man. No I'm not trying to come after that job that I don't have the vocabulary and the quick with and the great way of describing things in a five second window the way you and everyone else does. Tommy Roy was able to give me 30 seconds to describe something I'd be really good at it because yeah we only got about five seconds yeah that's not happening for me. It's definitely been a learning curve being concise is not not necessarily easy for me either as I'm I'm one who likes to talk as well but continue continued sex success to you Billy but also you want to go check out more check out the Horschull family foundation dot org and the APGA tour go check that out as well and Billy the next four weeks can be rooting you on and maybe the open championship as well was good preparation for the wind of championship if you're out there in that rain and the rain jacket. So who knows it would have thought of that yeah well best luck Billy and hopefully we'll see if West Ham or or Florida Gators can win one of these trophies if if and if they can't maybe Billy can do it this week at the wind up awesome thanks my buddy all right buddy see you thanks see you there are a lot of reasons some people choose cannabis whether you're tapping into your creative side or just trying to relax the one thing we won't do is make it any more safe or legal to drive afterwards it can slow reaction times for example and if you thought a few high drops helped you get away with it know that people can tell when you've been smoking marijuana including law enforcement if you feel different you drive different drive high get a DUI my cure and brewer from Walmart always comes in super clutch I got it so I can keep grinding on my paper you know I'm hitting that deadline I also got it so I could stay up late to do some exam cramming and of course you know I'll be ready to stroll into my morning class sipping and style I guess you could say it's a literal lifesaver cheers to that shop your coffee fuel needs at Walmart well as you mentioned on the front end of this smiley really fun conversation with Billy wide ranging definitely a thoughtful guy and cool to hear his reflections on another yeah give him the job I'll give him the chomp give him the I mean I can't believe I'm a bottoms for us so it's hard to do this but I'll give you a little little irons here and draw for all the West Ambers out there blowing bubbles if you're not watching it's just basically you're putting your your fist on your opposite shoulder and it's just an axe I think that's what it is so if you're a West Ham supporter you know already know what we're talking about and if you're not you can just skip right over this and join us as we have to do the job do the job do the job and and and head right in with us as we make our one and one picks for the windup championship this week we'll start with smiley it's going to be very interesting weather week because it is dumping buckets the hurricane I think it's hurricane Debbie making her way up the east coast in fact I'm supposed to be driving home in the middle of hurricane Debbie not not thrilled about that for myself or or my family we do what we must so I believe it is my I think you picked first last week for the Olympics so uh what do you think work out you did take more kawa yeah we had a free I had a free square if I wanted you Scottie Sheffering chose not to so shame on me neither of us burned the sky shut for free square which is like what am I doing truly inexplicable stuff I'm not doing well okay so let's let's dive in and then and I'll as we do kind of every week we give you a few names we like for DFS lineups for maybe you want to go in a different direction with your one and done pick or you already burned the guy that we're using so I got three names that I like kind of up and down this this board I'll start first with Davis Thompson and I think it's also worth noting for these guys where they stand in the FedEx cup list here because you know some guys the goals are different some guys are trying to make it in the playoffs some guys are trying to you know secure their status as we head towards East Lake so Davis is currently 24th on that FedEx cup pointless courtesy of a win earlier this year at the John Deere and so with Davis he finished tied for ninth at the US Open at Pinehurst number two earlier this year which is also a Donald Ross course Sedgefield is the same um so I love that sort of connection there and he had a positive stroke skeins putting at the US Open on Bermuda same or similar surface here at Sedgefield so that's something I like right away because as we've noted with Davis the one thing when he struggles and plays poorly it has a lot to do with him not putting it well so knowing that he's comfortable on the surface and he's you know just a month or so ago putter well on the surface I really liked that for him and then just talking about these conditions you know rainy wet we're probably gonna have ball on hand for the majority of the weekend he played great at two venues where if I'm remembering correctly of both rocket mortgage and John Deere there was some degree of wet kind of swampy conditions and ball on hand for some portion of the week if he's if we're playing preferred lies and he's a striper of the golf ball he should do well too uh should do well here as well um and then I'm just looking at his record last year narrowly missing the FedEx Cup playoffs was 73rd in those standings so you know a guy who's won this year on tour should feel a lot of motivation to kind of make a push for not only making it of course but you will but making that push for Eastlake and really kind of locking up signature events for next season so Davis is a guy I like uh Nikolai Hoigart is another guy I like who's currently 80th in the FedEx Cup and so I kind of had a I was in between selecting a European player coming off the Olympics as we in between Nikolai and Victor Perez and Victor obviously had that thrilling finish he's gonna have a ton of emotion you know playing that way in front of the French home crowd um and could very well play well this week but here's why I like Nikolai a little bit more is so he was 62-68 on the weekend at Olympics and for some bizarre reason we were really locked in last year to the Wyndham of course because like JT was trying to make the playoffs Adam Scott Shane Lowry and I just had this I just remembered Nikolai popping up on my TV a ton you know the first couple days and heading into the weekend so I went back and checked this was like the last tour event he played before flipping back to the to the European tour um you know heading into the Ryder Cup and he finished T14 here last year and he was positive 1.66 strokes game putting here so another guy that I like you know putting on a Bermuda surface he's comfortable with coming off playing really well on the weekend at the Olympics and a guy that obviously needs to make a move to get into the playoffs so I I'm liking Nikolai here a lot this weekend and then the the third guy that I'll throw at you that's also kind of on the wrong side of the current cut line Ben Coles at 81 and this is maybe a bit of a flyer here but I was just looking at the course profile here at Segefield and one of the things relative to other PGA Tour setups that it rewards a lot is driving accuracy and Ben is one of the most accurate drivers of the golf ball on the PGA Tour and I'm looking at his his finish last year a guy who finished first on the Corn Fairy Tour standings and closed season in incredibly strong fashion and kind of matching it up here and saying maybe he gets a little bit of that in the season juice drives us straight here this week makes a push finished in top 10 maybe that's enough to get him in a FedEx Cup playoffs and he backs up a great season last year on the Corn Fairy Tour with a playoff season this year so those are my three guys that I really like but that I'm not choosing as my one and done pick who are your three smiley yeah that's uh really interesting how you kind of describe Ben Coles and you know he's a guy that's not going to be scared uh to go make a bunch of birdies you know winning a bunch of times on the Corn Fairy Tour and on a wet golf course we got to drive it straight I think that's a a really nice uh if you call it a long shot great I mean it's a longer shot on the odds board but a really nice piece and I'm going to kind of start there on the backside of mine uh which is mine's Carson Young a player that probably you can slide into lineups uh in the reason why it's because he drives it straight and I think this golf course like you said it's not going to be firm it's going to be very soft but so maybe that brings in a couple more guys to where maybe we're over analyzing how important it is to hit it straight but if they get a ton of rain like we're expected to ball will be in hand so to have a clean golf ball being in the fairway is even more important because if you hit it in the rough if it's not plugging you're going to have mud all over your golf ball so driving it in the fairway with clean golf ball is a huge huge advantage this week so Carson Young also a really straight driver the ball and if he irons it good um you know the the weeks that he looking at his stats when he has ironed it well he does seem to top 10 and catch a putter that's somewhat warm I think he's probably needs a career type putting week he's gonna win um but uh that's that's the first guy for me is Carson Young uh also kind of from that area of leper mutagrass and can kind of play towards the sides of the fairways for angles but uh next guy for me I'm gonna go with Andrew Novak um and before I get to Andrew just touch you quickly on Carson Young aware he is in the FedEx Cup he's at 107 and Andrew Novak's at 83rd so these guys are in a position where they need a big week but Andrew Novak I would probably say that he needs something around in that top 10 range you would think to get into the top 70 maybe a little better uh he's top 10 four times this year and it really is felt like it's it's been a better season than 83rd his top 10s though have all been seventh eighth ninth places so he's been very close to these open events to you know getting into the to the top part of the leaderboard but maybe not quite getting into the top five which if you look at the points list and the open fields you could tell there's a huge points differential in between finishing let's say fourth place versus finishing eight so it's been very close for him this year um he's to me you know he's also from from the region um and I just feel like he's played better this year than where he stands on the FedEx Cup so Andrew Novak uh let's see what he does this week uh lastly if you if you if you don't have seawook him like on your card uh you need to think about it because this guy is like he is the Wyndham championship he wanted 16 he's at three top fives he's lost in a playoff another year uh since that went in 16 so the Wyndham championship you got to start with Wynd with seawook him and I probably would be picking him if it weren't for another guy that uh you know I just kind of recently talked to well there you go that's a good tease for who you pick might be but a good collection of guys there and I agree on all of them I feel like uh I had this sensation with both Carson Carson young and Andrew Novak where they just you know you go back and you look at their finishes and maybe they don't finish a strong on the weekends but they just seem to be in and around it yeah this entire season and this feels like one of those events where you know kind of to your point if they had to get aggressive and make a ton of birdies this week I mean it could be a high risk strategy where there could be a ton of upside and ton of downs nothing to lose nothing to lose and and and what you know I don't think you could script a better set of conditions for that type of mentality than soft ball in hand like just throwing darts the pin and if they if it sticks up there then great you're putting for birdie a lot and hopefully you're rocketing up the leaderboard so I love both of those in addition to seawoo um which leads me to my pick for the week and we've said this a couple times like sometimes it's just it's just an obvious pick and it's the one that's right there at the top of the you know the the odds board at the right at the top of the data golf predictive chart um I've not used them yet and won and done this year so this is where I'm going to use him sung jm who comes in ninth in the FedEx cup his last four starts t3 t12 t4 and t7 and really if you kind of go back and for the most the golf he's played this entire year other than miscuts at the us open and the pga he's played fantastic the entire way uh this is where I'm going to contradict myself a little bit because I just talked to you about how I love Davis Thompson at Pinehurst nonetheless Bermuda Greens and he had a miscut there but I guess you know we we very recently detailed a 66 that was shot on a Donald Ross course and softer wet conditions you know and this is the time of the year for scoring so I'm just gonna say here is that while some day did obviously did not play great at Pinehurst number two like this course being a lot softer after all this rain I think maybe helps him out a little bit and so here I'm just counting on him hitting a lot of fairways having ball in hand throwing some darts and making a ton of birdies and just continuing the run of form he's been on of late and and so I'm I'm rolling with sung jm this week uh at the window you know part of me thanks that because of the conditions it it actually would make uh a better chance for maybe a long shot to win this week but when I just look at just kind of how guys typically uh their state of mind and and actually winning the golf tournament I think you often see that guys that have nothing to lose uh meaning like they're they're their job is secure they don't have anything to worry about when it comes to the playoffs that's where I kind of settle in on Billy Horshel I know we just talk to him uh but he's in a position right now that he can number one if he goes out and wins you know that that helps him uh to potentially make the president's cup team he's already inside the top 30 sitting at 27 uh he's had six top 11 since 2016 at the window so it's a golf course he obviously likes it feels comfortable with and I feel like it's you know if we get down to Sunday and it's a bunch leaderboard with a lot of guys I think when other guys are worried about you know getting into the top 70 uh let's say a couple of those guys are uh in the mix get me the guy that has nothing to lose and that his job is secure and that really it's just anything that he does just kind of bonus so give me Billy Horshel for those reasons and uh honestly I just kind of want the smiley show bump that's we got so too much to ask never too much to ask we got to keep the smiley show bump going would be great if we doubled up on the one and done here with a smiley show bump so I mean that's best case scenario but I mean I love the pick for a lot of reasons I mean you just heard Billy talk about the type of goals he has which are lofty ones he wants to win 10 times on tour he wants to win a major he wants to make a Ryder Cup team like this is a guy that talked about how tough it was to come off playing his worst season on tour and he's gone out and gotten after the season and made the most of his three sponsor exemptions into signature events despite the fact that he was not in signature events and it looks like he very comfortably should be in those events this year if he has a strong sort of finish to the season he's locked up yeah so I think that is a guy that you know should be motivated especially on the heels of playing phenomenally well at a very tough test in the open championship to come out and score well this week and finish strong so I like it I like it for the show bump and I like it for you know just keeping the one and done heater rolling so it's good absolutely the only the only thing I'll say to the the viewers and and the listeners out there we did a an awesome interview with Michael Neff with Gears and never really got an opportunity to dive into a little bit with Billy talking about some of the changes he made and figured out last year when it came to his lying rules of his clubs actually flattening out his irons two degrees couldn't cut a wedge realize that he needed to make a change just going and using the Gears program so we we did an interview last year I actually talked about Rory Billy Horshel and Cam Smith all in 3D so if you're into that sort of stuff give that a give that a look as I really think that's pretty interesting of how Billy was able to kind of turn all of his hard work into actually like oh okay it was just it was maybe not the Indian it was actually the era type of situation it is a great shout I'll say this for the cliff notes version of Billy's section if you're hitting your four iron better than your nine iron first of all go to that video and check that out and second of all take it to your local PGA pro and maybe check look at those line goals for some of those short irons that was that was fascinating to hear of just how they went about you know discovering that so really cool interview with Michael on Billy and and definitely worth checking out so I believe that is all we have for today's show smiley unless you have any sort of final thoughts of the people I think really what we got to tee up is the fact that you and I are going to be together in person for our next galley next three weeks we're going to have shows together for this really excited I think you know we're talking about you know going to Memphis and then I'm really excited about Denver everybody just says that place is just incredible castle pines and then I've I've never been to East Lake in my life so seeing a new golf course the Andrew Green restoration from a Donald Donald Ross original I'm really excited to see that golf course from my understanding and people that have been around it they said the golf course is much harder we'll have to see but there's going to be a little bit more firmness to it but I'm I'm interested to see why they said that it might be four or five shots harder so really interested to see what that golf course looks like and of course doing our typical preview and recap positive that I think most of most of you have become accustomed to listening to and we're excited to bring that content to you over the playoffs yeah make sure you are subscribed to the YouTube the YouTube channel if you are not already and following the 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Eight-time PGA Tour winner and 2014 FedEx Cup champion Billy Horschel joins Smylie Kaufman to discuss the state of his game, sports fandom, and much more!
