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This is what I'm fired up about because we just got maybe the best Sunday leaderboard we've had all season long. It was not in a major. It was not in a PGH War event. It was in the Olympics. Just a fantastic, even though it was a limited field sort of situation, fantastic set of names at the top of the leaderboard. I'm Charlie Hume. He's of course, Smiley Kaufman. I'm on the road visiting the in-laws, joining you from my father-in-law's basement bar here. I could just tap you a beer right here behind me if you're watching on YouTube. Should you like that? Lots to get to because many of you might have seen that I shot 66, no big deal post that on Instagram this weekend. I just backed up today with a cool 83. We are all the way back. If we have time at the end of this episode, we will get into the 66 or the 83, really whichever direction Smiley wants to go. The place where we must start this episode is another Scotty Scheffler win this year. We came off last week talking about where we stand in the whole Xander Scottie player of the year race. This feels like it's almost put to bed with Scotty winning gold and really kind of taking the reins on Sunday. Smiley, let's just start there. We were both watching this. We were texting the entire day. Scotty makes us charge on the back nine to shoot 62 to win a gold medal. How did Scotty get it done today? Man, it's a great question because when I think most of America on the East Coast or Central Time, they woke up and they see the leaderboard and they see John Rahm as at 20 under par. He's got a four shot lead and you're like, all right, I'll go turn it on just to kind of see how well he's actually playing and see if anybody tries to make it somewhat interesting. And then within 20, 30 minutes, this thing just got as juicy as any golf tournament that we have had this entire year outside of maybe the US Open because this leaderboard, like you said, it was epic. You just looked down from the first place all the way down to 15th place. It just, it was so packed in because the scoring was so low, soft greens, no wind, but still a golf course that was very penal if you were offline or you miss hit shots. So bogeys and doubles were in play, which I think if you're a viewer, this was the epitome of what you want to watch because you got, you got birdies flying everywhere. You got an awesome leaderboard. You have these names that you're excited to watch, but also you see guys getting penalized when they do hit bad shot. So a really fun morning to watch golf. Scotty, Chef are obviously going out and shooting a 62. Is it 10 under par to start today? Xander Shoffley at 14 under. I believe it was John Ram was at 13 and then Tommy Fleetwood was at 14. I don't know if I flip off these two, but I believe we had Xander and Ram at 14 to begin the day. Scotty at 10, Tommy at 13. There you go. Well, you know, it was, it was such an interesting round, right? Because you know, with John Ram, he's a guy that, you know, he hasn't had too many rounds where you just feel like when he gets the lead, he goes and finishes out the job. So I think that was, you know, a lot of people's first impressions when they turned it on. They're like, Oh, this is kind of weird is where I'm going to blow this. And next thing you know, it's, it's like Scotty is just, just kind of surging. And it kind of, you really felt it after he got up and down on 14 left in this like heavy rough that we saw multiple players get into. And Hideki was one of them who ends up winning the bronze. And then John Ram, after he bogeyed the 11th hole, he bogey's the 12th hole misses their fairway at 14, a hole in which is a par five that most of the guys probably have been birdying this hole. And John Rob's got seven iron this green. He hooks it left, hits it into that left rough, chips it short of the green, chips it up, makes double bogey. Meanwhile, Scotty up on the same hill hits this beautiful from this terrible looking light bump shot into the hill to a foot, makes birdie. And that was kind of the start of it from my perspective. Yeah, I mean, I think that that 14th hole is where it all turns, right? I mean, I think that you've listed so many things there that I think are worth digging into the drama of this course. I mean, I was trying to not be too much of a prisoner of the moment and saying, wow, this is really producing some top tier high end low end moments and just keeping guys in the mix with the opportunities to make birdie. But also there are a lot of holes where you can make some big numbers as you noted. But, you know, and I think I want to get into the course, I want to get into the event. I want to unpack. I mean, as a guy who picked John Ramen, one done this week, it was on the cusp of five wins this season and a gold medal and was just ready to kind of fly the banner for my impeccable picking. That was a heartbreaker. I want to get into how that all collapsed for him. But to continue on the Scotty theme, talking a little bit about him and final rounds this year, because I know this is something that you're really interested in. To me, the comparison I kept drawing in my own head was what happened to players championship, where he comes into the day. He's five shots off Zander, he's four shots off Wyndham, and he just starts creeping on the back of mine, making birdie after birdie just kind of catching up. And obviously, I mean, I think for that to work out, you have to have guys at the top of the leaderboard who are giving shots away or just not, you know, making more birds and kind of creep back into it. But it just, he has this, I don't want to call it tiger s yet because so many times we've drawn these tiger Scotty comparisons and tigers. You know, stats are just other worldly when you look at what he was doing in his prime. But it's just that sense of Scotty's out there. He's got some momentum. He's making some birdies. Maybe I'm getting a little bit nervous if I have a lead and lo and behold, here he is, you know, making birdies coming down the stretch and he's got the number posted that everyone needs to chase and they can't make it there. So a little bit of, I'm just curious to hear your thoughts on Scotty and final rounds this year. Well, I think Tiger asked the way you frame that. I think, I think the way I see it is, is that he has an elite awareness right now of what it's going to take on a Sunday. And he's proven it multiple times this year to win from behind. He's won with being a part of the mix and be able to separate, but he's also, you know, understood when he's out in front. Hey, this is what we watched Tiger do as kids, right? When he got the lead, it was game over and Scotty's proven that he's been able to do that this year. And Jack Nicholas, you know, all the greats have been really great at understanding exactly what a good score is that day. And I just wanted to dig in a little bit into final rounds for Scotty Sheffler this year in weeks that he has won. And what started Bay Hill, final round 66. It was the lowest score by two shots. Player is a 64. You already mentioned it. That was a four horse race with Wyndham, Zander, harm. And I put harm twice. I know there was somebody else. So it was Wyndham, harm and. I'm looking right here. I'm looking at the leaderboard and it was, well, I'll just kind of read you from the bottom up with the players. Ludwig finished eighth at 14 under Tom Kim and Hideki Matsuyama, both T six at 15 under Matt Fitzpatrick was in the, was in the race there at 16 under. Then you had Harmon, Schauffler, Clark finished in 1900. And of course, Scotty at 20. A lot of legit, you know, proven winners top that leaderboard comes out on top. Well, he shot a 60, let's see, a 64 that day. And then the lowest of that group was a 68. So four better than the group that was chasing him. And then the master's 68. That was the lowest round that day. I don't think we talk about that he actually got crystal for the lowest score when he's out in front. So that's another one to consider for, you know, being out in front or being really in the mix who that day, there was a lot of guys kind of around it, but he was able to go out and shoot a 68 Hilton head. I thought was interesting too, because that was a really weird day. A lot of starts and stops. I had to go out and finish on Monday, shot a 68 that day. But if you go and look at the leaderboard, you'll see that, oh, he didn't really go as low as quite as other guys. But other guys were able to finish before the storms came. He came out that the next day in a North wind, it's going 20, 30 miles an hour. It's it's like 15 to 20 degrees colder. So that was a very, I would say, a tough one to kind of for for a leader. It's easy to get out in front of yourself. And Scotty was able to keep one foot in front of the other sleep on a on a weird type of Sunday finish on a Monday and still go out and win. The memorial, I think, is a great example of of what we watched Tiger and the greats do, is get a lead, get out in front and on a really hard golf course like the memorial was, which is, I think, maybe the hardest golf course we saw this entire year out on a Sunday where the scoring average was close to 74, 75, 76. He goes out and shoots 74 and it was enough to win by a shot over column where Cala, a traveler's championship. That's this is this is now we're starting to get into, okay, he's one on on every, every test. You got Bay Hill, which is a firm firm golf course. So you got to be so, so dialed in. He was so good that they players in a coming from behind fashion, masters, everything on the line, but he's got chasers and a really tough golf course. Hilton has crazy. Memorial is hard, but travelers. This is the one I think was almost the most impressive to show. What type of range that Scotty has now, which is this golf course, everybody was shooting the lights out of it. He shot 65 or 64 every single day. And on Sunday, he shoots a 65. And honestly, he made the putts that we felt like he wasn't going to be able to keep up and make on a Sunday. So that was impressive from him. And then let's look at the Olympics, which we just saw today and a final round 62 of 29 on the back nine. And now you look at that, all of that that I just talked about and all of his wins this year. And you're like, you know what? There's, there's, he's proven that he can do it in all ways. And I think that what that is, what is defined Scotty Shefford this year and the adjustments that he's made into learning how to win. I think him and Ted Scott, they just keep getting better and better. Scotty has a better awareness, Ted has a better understanding of how to slow Scotty down a little bit because he can get a little fiery and angry. But I mean, just, I just thought it was really interesting going back and, and looking at, you know, all of his wins this year, especially on Sundays. Well, and I think if you were trying to dig deep and formulate a criticism of Scotty or a question of, you know, how high can he extend his greatness, the criticism in years past has been, is he just a February, March, April guy? And now you just hit a lot of key points there where it's like, he's very much not that, you know, the, the wins later in the season. He now has a major win this season at the Masters, six wins on tour, which I believe off top is he's got Masters players. And I think it's four signature event wins. So all very elite fields. And then now he's got a gold medal. And so you're seeing a different version of him this year. So good. The punting is obviously the thing that we all talk about the switch to that spider and all the success he's seen since then. Yeah. But just, and you kind of hit on it there a little bit. You put a tweet out earlier is talking about his willingness to kind of evolve as the round goes on. And, you know, one thing he'd done this year is he'd read more of his own pets instead of bringing Ted Scott in, but then made some adjustments in the middle of the Olympics and brought Ted in more and kind of rode that process out all the way to a gold medal. What differences have you seen from 2023 to 2024 in Scotty's game? And are they all putting related or do you see some that are beyond that? Well, I'm just going to use the players championship and the Olympics as an example, because that's kind of how we started this conversation of very similar in the way in which he won these events. And when you look at the final 18 holes, we can point out the birdies. But what I see where all of the pars that he had are just easy, easy, pars, stress-free. He referenced like a nice par putty made on the 13th hole today, but just not having to grind over, you know, 10 footers for par two or three or four times around. What he's able to do is he makes the hard holes look really easy. He gives himself birdie looks where other guys are, you know, giving themselves either par tappens or lengthy par looks. Not many guys like Scotty over and over again can play the eighth hole at the players championship and have a legitimate birdie look. But that's the type of shots and the high quality shots that Scotty Sheffler is able to hit throughout around. And when it comes to just what the difference is, I think the easy par is one, but the putter, like you mentioned, is another. So he's got confidence in that. And, you know, I don't mind having Ted come in and read plots, especially when you look at the open championship. And if you watch Scotty at all that week, you just saw him just constantly just head up in the air and his hands on the face. Like, are you getting me? I can't buy a butt. I can't buy a bear reacts every time. It's like the I can't believe I can't believe it. But, you know, it's probably when I think about this event and and why I think it's so impressive. And he talked about this in his press conference and that these leaderboards aren't like the PGA tour leaderboards. Like he talked about that, you know, it's not like you can just stare at the leaderboard and the front page is right there. He said, if there's 60 seconds where you're staring at the leaderboard, he said that maybe five to 10 seconds, the first page is actually there. So on on Sunday, he said it was really difficult. And I say today, it was very difficult for him to know exactly where he stood in the golf tournament. So when you kind of look at his back night, what he was able to do and just, you know, keep one foot in front of the other, I think when he saw John Rombit 20 under, you know, that is where a player like himself would know, all right, I'm just going to stay aggressive, keep trying to go and make birdies. And if he opens the door, I'm going to jump through it. And I think that's the impressive part about Scotty this year is is that I feel like last year, it was more about, oh gosh, how is he not won this golf tournament? Because he's right there in the mix is every time it was it's not that he was putting enough pressure from from the back. It was more that he was in the mix and then just kind of wasn't able to make that clutch birdie here there last year's what it felt like. And this year, I feel like he's had a better awareness of where he is in the tournament and no better situation than the 17th hole today. So the 14th and the 17, I felt like with the key key moments, 15 and 16 were obviously epic shots he hit, but 17, you know, he drives it left into the rough and plays this awesome, just high fade out of a ball above his feet out of the rough, very difficult to, to, you know, keep enough spin on this golf ball to where it just doesn't jump over the green. Similar to what we saw with Tommy Fleetwood, he hits right on the front of the green, rolls out to 20 feet, he buries the pot. And it's the first time that you watch Scotty Sheffer make a putt from that 15 to 20 foot range, which we have always talked about is like, if you just make one of those or one of those around, like that's going to be enough for him to win golf tournaments. And he did it on the 71st hole of the Olympics and just wet out this roar that you're just like, yeah, Scotty, come on, baby, let's go. And that's, that's kind of what we're looking for from this alpha dog competitor that, you know, that I think a lot of people just don't realize, you know, we're looking at a really historic season that Scotty's putting together in a historic run, really, that he ain't done yet is from, from all my, from my perspective. No, he's not. He still has the whole FedEx Cup playoffs before him. And I think we look back at the season, obviously with a major one of the masters and then a big asterisk on what happened in Louisville, being arrested, still finishing top 10 and what could have been there for him. And then we went to a place in Pinehurst where he was clearly very uncomfortable with the way that course was set up and set as much in his press conferences. And then the open was, you know, kind of very draw dependent, but sort of an interesting one. So I think there was a partial reaction to his season of saying, man, I wonder what could have been. But seeing him win gold here, and obviously looking forward to what he is going to do in the weeks to come, you know, we can still be looking at a very historic season. And again, only the beginning for Scotty Scheffler, shifting over now to that final group of John Rom, Zander Shoffley, Tommy Fleetwood. I mean, you and I have a shared note where we kind of jot, jot down our observations and kind of formulate what we're going to talk about when we recap tournaments at the end of the day. And I was taking a victory lap very early of like, Hey, how are we evaluating John Rom's season now that he didn't do well in any majors, how to withdraw from one, but he's got a gold medal. And you know, he could still win a live individual championship. Like, can we call this a success? And that was probably around maybe the 11th, 12th, 13th hole. He didn't, he did not even end up on the podium. Just makes double at 14, a really spectacular implosion. And yes, Scotty had to go out and do what he did on that back nine to go out and win it. But I just, this season for John Rom doesn't make any sense at all to me. And yeah, of course, he could go out and win an individual championship on live, win a team championship on live and look back and say there was some degree of success that was had. But I just wonder what stock you take after another near miss and one where he was in the driver's seat and we expect him in those situations to finish those things out. That's, that's his, you know, MO like that's these are situations where he thrives. Oh, totally. And he's going to, he's going to get scrutinized more now that he's made the jump to live. So any situation where, you know, if John, like he did today, was not able to close it out, it's going to, you know, people are always just going to say, you know what, if he had more reps of closing out tournaments that matter, then he would have closed this one out. I don't know if I look at it from that lens quite, quite as much as other people because he is getting reps, he is playing golf. But is it to the level of what it was like today? I don't know. I think it was just a little bit of nerves. To be honest, I think he got a little out in front of himself. The chip shot, I think on the 12th hole, which is uncharacteristic, who's not a very difficult looking shot, D cell not committed. And then the 14th hole looks like just a bit of an error with the seven iron, not leaving it out to the right, going and making par. I think got a little too aggressive and then missing a putt, you know, that, you know, three and a half footer for a bogey. I know he probably was fuming at that point before he even missed, but you still got to make sure you make that putt to where, you know, you give yourself an opportunity to find yourself on the metal stand. And what's kind of crazy when you look at the final eight holes of Scotty's day and John Rom's day is that Scotty beat John Rom by 10 shots on the last eight holes. That is alarming. I mean, I know anything can happen on this back nine, but it was probably the easiest that golf course is ever going to play. It's soft greens, no wind. It's, it's very challenging. Like you have to hit really good shots, but still for John Rom who's already played, you know, just he's got nine more holes left in the tank and all he's got to do is just, you know, just not blow up pretty much and you're going to be right there. It's, it's very shocking to see, especially, I think not winning is a whole one thing, but not ending up on the metal stand was something that was absolutely shocking from when I turned the TV on to when the golf tournament was over. Yeah, it is when you put it like that, he beat him by 10 shots on that back nine. It is, it's inexplicable. I mean, especially for it'd be one thing if, you know, we saw a brilliant finish from Victor Perez today, but let's say there's someone who's playing in front of their home crowd and feeling that emotion to and carrying a lead and maybe hasn't won a major or a huge event. That's a different sort of thing for Ron. We've seen him there multiple times when we've seen him close and finish it. So that was shocking in a lot of ways. And I don't know. I think it's one of those seasons where you're going to kind of round up with your team and take stock and say, how do we do it a lot different next year? Because this was supposed to be a sort of breakout, you know, I'm now the face of live. I'm going to, you know, continue some majors, maybe win a major and really kind of make my stamp in this new league. And we really haven't seen that in the co-mingled events, co-mingled events at least this year. Another one in that final group where you're talking about back nine scoring, I think Xander shot either a 38 or a 39 on the back and finishes two over for the day. 12 over for the tournament also did not, or me 12 under, I'm sorry, for the tournament. Also not on the metal stand from a guy that was playing in that final group and in a similar vein in our shared note, you know, I was, we were talking about Scottie Xander player of the year. How does this change if Xander wins silver and Scottie doesn't metal, you know, is there an argument to be made there if Xander goes out and plays well in the playoffs, plays well at Eastlake, maybe he wins the FedEx cup, you know, does he have a does he have an argument? And I'm not saying he can't still go out and play well in those events, but after watching that sort of reversal of fates on the back nine in the Olympics, I just wonder what to make of the day for Xander when it's really right now, it's him and Scottie. I mean, these are the two guys that are the elites in pro golf right now. And it was just kind of wild to see a guy like that. Yeah. Do what he did on that back nine today. You know, I think that's you frame that perfectly because it is the two guys that you kind of think about you think about, you know, Scottie obviously is the the alpha dog, but in that final group, you look to Ram, you look to Xander Schofle having really good days. And so it was it was really surprising, right? We're already talked about John Ram, but Xander wasn't that much better. He was four over his final seven holes, which they they're very uncomfortable golf holes. Let's not let's not make it out to be these simple easy shots. I mean, they they were it's not not easy, but guys of their caliber can make it look very easy. And there were two shots for Xander that led him down on the back nine. And it was a iron shot that he hit in the water out of the left rough, believe it was on the 13th hole. And so he makes a makes a bogey. I believe it was a bogey there. It was actually kind of hard to follow Xander on the back nine. They weren't showing them a whole lot. So I'm doing all this based on just on just memory here. But with Xander also, I mean, he there, I was told that he hit it in the water as well on the 15th hole with an iron. So he hit two iron shots in the water, one being from the rough. And I I assume the other one was from the fairway, even though I didn't see it. So that to me is, you know, for Xander, he was right there, right? He was at 1600 par, he was only, you know, three shots back heading into that, that, that back nine and just not really not show, you know, just not really showing up on that back nine. Maybe it's just a little bit of maybe just a little tired. I don't know. It just some days you don't have it. Maybe today was one of those days he didn't have it. We're definitely not going to question Xander's ability to close because guess what? We just saw that a couple of weeks ago at the Open Championship closing on a Sunday where, you know, exactly like today where Scotty just went out and he was the best, just proved that he was the best golfer in the world. And Xander showed that a couple of weeks ago that he also can contend with that notion that he can be the best player in the world. Let's say your small business has a problem. Like maybe one of your doggy daycare customers had an accident. You might say something like dog on it. Holy snowsers. But if you need someone who can actually help, just say like a good neighbor. State Farm is there and get help following a claim from your local state Farm agent for your small business insurance needs like a good neighbor. State Farm is there. Walmart Plus members save on meeting up with friends. Save on having them over for dinner with free delivery with no hidden fees or markups. That's groceries plus napkins plus that vegetable chopper to make things a bit easier. Plus, members save on gas to go meet them in their neck of the woods. Plus, when you're ready for the ultimate sign of friendship, start a show together with your included Paramount Plus subscription. Walmart Plus members save on this plus so much more. Start a 30-day free trial at WalmartPlus.com. Paramount Plus is central plan only. Separate registration required. See Walmart Plus turns and conditions. Yeah, I think with Xander, we've seen enough now. I mean, there were certainly questions asked of him prior to winning two majors this year about his ability to close and win a tournament or win a big event. But we're at the place now where sometimes you have an off day. And, you know, I think that for him, that could be the case. And there's maybe more, it's interesting, there's maybe more forgiveness right now for a guy like Xander with his resume this year than a guy like John Rom, who we're just waiting for him to do something or anything this year in a big event. And he's coming down the stretch here and you're thinking, this could be it. Like, this could be him making an impact this season. He gives it away in the fashion that he did, even though he played relative to Xander better than Xander today. It was an interesting sort of scenario. Well, I guess why we're, we're, we're wide onto Andrews. Guess what? The guy went to major championships this year. And I still even think when you look at Xander's resume to this point, this year, and Scottie's, I think by far, like no brainer, Scottie Scheffer is going to win player of the year. But if you pulled the players and say, which one would you pick between the two, I think it would be very, very close in the voting. I think it'd be a 50/50 on guys being like, well, you know, careers and legacies are defined by majors. So anytime you can get two in the same season, I think a lot of guys would side on that side. But then you look at, man, he's made, what, $30 million? He's won seven times or six times in a gold medal seven being that that gold medal win. I think it's a, it's a debate. A lot of players would be like, I don't know. But I think from just a player, the year perspective, to me, it's now a no brainer who's, who should win. But I'd still, I don't know who would you be taking in that argument, Charlie? I mean, it's, it's not bad to go walk into your trophy room and go look at a want to make a trophy in a clear jug. I mean, they're worst things you can be going to look at. So I think that it's, it's an interesting career legacy thing. And I think it's that debate in and of itself, you know, took on a new life despite the fact that Scotty it seemed ludicrous prior to Zander's open win to even suggest such a thing. But you know, there's something there. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's Zander double stamping. A lot of people called the legitimacy of his PGA championship win in a question, given the conditions of a whole lot and maybe fairly so. But to go and stamp that with a win in the conditions we saw real true and definitely convincing. And yeah, I think Scotty ends up winning player of the year. But Zander, I think it's amazing where the way we viewed him, even at the beginning of this year, we're reason to file around at the Genesis with cant laying kind of lays an egg and you're like, man, is this guy ever going to get done in a big event and convincing fashion? Again, with Rory kind of down the stretch of the Wells Fargo. And then, you know, turns around and wins the PGA, whatever, a week later, the way he did. So, you know, it's, I think he gets a little bit of a pass here, even though yeah, it was a shocker of a Sunday for him, especially on that back nine. The third guy in that group, Tommy Fleetwood, who ends up on the podium with silver, I kind of want to play it forward a little bit with Tommy in a way because he has a great day today. Shoot 66, you know, the guy that played the best in that final grouping. I remember a couple years ago, when Will's Outdoors had a couple of near misses at majors and in big events, and we were just wondering when is Will's Outdoors going to win a tour event for the first time? And I look at Tommy playing great here, ending up on the podium, having a lot of confidence, rolling in the FedEx Cup playoffs. I'm curious. Do you think this is, you know, in the same fashion that Will's Outdoors goes out and wins the FedEx St. Jude a couple years ago now, he has all the back issues on the back end of that, that's separate. But just, do you think this sets Tommy up to maybe go out, play well in the playoffs, win one of these events? And do you like him at, you know, better at TPC Southwind, Castle Pines or East Lake, you know, then another venue? You know, I haven't probably dug into that enough. I mean, I feel like when you're playing good golf, it doesn't really matter where you're playing. You know, your, the scores are going to, going to show up. And Tommy is, is really, you know, the Olympics this week and how well he's played at this golf course at leg off national. I mean, this is should be Tommy. He should try to get a residence there or always get a pro membership because he plays his golf course so well. If you remember, Malinari and him were just dominating there back in 2018 at that Ryder Cup. But we talked about him this week and you kind of refer to him just of near misses, like kind of like Will's Alataurus. I went back and just wanted to check to see Tommy Fleetwood's history just in majors because I knew there was a bunch and I wanted to see how many there were. And it surprised me that is he, he's had seven top fives in majors. And then you throw in the second place here, or silver medal here at the Olympics, you just look at, man, these are so many big events that he's given himself opportunities on the back nine. And whether it's not being able to capitalize or have a day like today where Tommy even in the press conference after it's just like I played good. You know, when you go out there and make eight birdies and he did make three bogeys, but still, you know, Scotty Sheffer went out and won the golf tournament and really it just came down to the 17th hole, which turned out to be a two shot swing. They're both in the left rough, similar shots. Scotty Sheffer was able to land on the front of the green, give himself 20 feet. And Tommy Fleetwood from the same position hits, hits a good shot. Just came in flatter with less spin rolls over the back of the green. Not it was not up against the collar, but enough to where he was thinking about it. I thought the pitch that he hit was very poor. I thought he could have done much better from there. Misses the pot hit a good pot. Just broke more than he thought makes bogey. And there's the two shot swing that I think inevitably decided who won the gold medal. And then the third guy on the podium, of course, today, we talked Scotty. We've talked Tommy, Hideki Matsuyama, who I believe shot 65 today. I think really Hideki the story of his week was he was kind of done in by a rough performance on Saturday because he was leading after two days and just had her had a rough round and then goes out and plays great again on Sunday. You know, where we at on him, we saw him when the Genesis earlier this year that we were talking about with was Zander and Cantley in that final group and a guy who's finding some form heading into the Thettest Cup playoffs. Like, is this a guy that could be hunting coming in a playoff season? Oh, yeah, totally so. And I think Hideki this year, it's, it's, it's been a bit of a resurgence. I feel like, because I feel like maybe the prior couple of years, I just, I just didn't feel like Hideki was the same guy. And this year, I think it was a wake up called, you know, being able to turn the TV off with 45 minutes left in the Genesis broadcast. Because I mean, Hideki just put on an absolute clinic at Riviera. And so actually, what's, what's bookmark that in for four years for when, when the Olympics is at Riviera that Hideki's had some success there winning, winning at Genesis this year. But, you know, he said a year, we said six top 10s. I think from watching him over the last couple of years, I'm, I've just constantly blown away at how good his short game is around the Greens, his pitching, his bunker game, it is on this, it's on another level. And it's really been as good as it's ever been in his career this year. And not that that was an X factor of why he got the bronze medal this year, because I actually think his, his iron game is, is what's really come back. We're so known for him. You know, there's these iron shots where he just doesn't like him. And you're like, Oh, guys, and the water's in the bunker. And it's like 10 feet. And that's the Hideki that we grew up watching. And then we, we have come to love because he's, he's a monster when he gets rolling, especially for him. He seems to me to be a guy that when he gets a hot putter, and that ball striking is there and how good his short game can be. You know, he's not the longest player in the world, but he's, he's also very much past tour average. And then he's also somewhat accurate with that driver's suit. So if he's able to put the ball in the fairway, give himself opportunities. And he was able to do that this week. But you mentioned Troy, that Saturday wasn't his best. And I think, I think back to Tokyo, where, you know, he had an opportunity to win a gold medal there. And he is, he is Japan, like golf, Hideki Matsuyama, he is the superstar, he is the guy. So all that pressure, and then getting in that crazy playoff for the bronze medal doesn't end up winning. So he's, he's got the, the feeling of I want to win a medal at the Olympics. And does that this year with having to avoid a playoff, not having to, to, to have to sweat out another playoff. And he's able to take a metal back home to his home country, Japan. And also, you know, shout out to the Srickson to iron, the driving iron, because we saw Hideki with the, with, with the creamsicle tour design shaft in it, because we saw Hideki striping it all week long. We saw smiling on social media, striping it. And we saw so much of that that I had to go out and order my own. So, you know, we got to get some of those in the bag, man. We're seeing too many good shots with that. You know, you know, who else he's just got a Scotty. Scotty's got a Srickson to iron in his bag. That's a Srickson. Oh, yeah. How about that? Don't walk run to your nearest Srickson by the 18 degree to iron with the creamsicle tour design shaft in it right now. This is, that was a free ad. So there you go. I guess you're a door. So it all comes out of the wash. Just to zoom out a little bit, big picture on the Olympics, because, you know, you tweeted about this a bunch. We tweeted this from the show account. Like looking at this leaderboard last night, looking in the early stages today of just the way it was developing. Arguably the best Sunday leaderboard. We've seen all year long and even moving to the back nine, all the movement and the action we were seeing. It was just compelling across the board every time you were cutting to a different shot. That shot had weight and it was a player that you knew like it was there was brand value across the board. It was super compelling, thrilling stuff. You know, I want to talk about that for sure. But the place my mind went first was man, we criticized so much, maybe not criticized, but just we looked at all the PGA tours signature events this year with the limited fields. And our gripe was, you get these leaderboards where there's nobody at the top contending, look no further than Rory pulling away at the Wells Fargo and you just, it's just that the field's too thin to have a good chasing pack at the top. And it's like, this was the best case scenario of that, a very limited field, yet the top 10, even down to 15, were all guys you'd heard of and all guys that had a real chance to win this tournament. And maybe this is what signature events or maybe a smaller, smaller tour can be like where you have leaderboards like this more consistently. I think you've seen bits and pieces of what it could look like with signature events. Have had the Sundays gone the way the two were once or the networks want or the fans want. Probably not. You've had some runaways, like you mentioned with Rory or a day like Bay Hill this year where you have this awesome leaderboard and Scotty's like, all right, see you, y'all go, y'all go hit balls on the back nine because this thing's over. Maybe that's the fix is we, if Scotty's in contention on Saturday, we just dock him like five shots and we make him comfort behind. We have like a gross flight and we have a net flight and we just, we just, we start Scotty. It's like, yeah, it was Godly, you know, I think signature events, I think they can be exactly like they were today. It was 60, 60 man field and that's all Scotty's won this year. I think all of his events, he's won her signature events. So he's, I don't, the last full field event, I guess that he is one is, man, our stats department really needs to get hard to work because I don't really know where it was. Probably Phoenix last year. Probably last year. Yeah. Because no, was it a signature event last year? It was, but were they doing limited last year? Or was it, was it, because Godly, now I really got to go back. Oh, you know what, I think it may have been that that would be maybe listed as a signature or a designated event is what they're calling it last year, but they were not limiting the fields last year. Yeah. Okay. So we've been Phoenix last year, but Scotty's obviously proven he can be the best of the best. And, you know, I think this, this event was just incredible. You know, I am, I am one for really being hard on the Olympics just over the last three years. I really feel like I've been banging the drum like, you know, the Olympics in golf. I just, I'm not there yet. You know, Tokyo, it was on in the middle of the night. You were watching, hi, we're watching the, you know, rear later in the day. It just didn't have the same juice. It's also in Tokyo. The crowds were not the same because of, I believe it was around COVID or after COVID, where it was limited to tennis. It was supposed to happen in 2020. And then they moved it to 2021, but still obviously not so limited. It's not the same, right? So I think just, you know, the buzz that this place had this week, there's 30,000 people a day. And I just felt like, all right, if the Olympics in golf is going to work, 72 whole stroke play event, you know, we do that every single week. Maybe we should look at a team type deal with, whether it's mixed with male and female or match play, something to make us interested because I, I just really struggled with, with 72 holes actually being, you know, the way to, for the Olympics golf for people to care. But after finishing what I felt like was the best viewing event of the year, you know, to me, it had the feeling of this means a lot to these guys. And the only other event that you can maybe compare it to is the one that they're also not playing for money, they're paying for their country, or, you know, for the Ryder Cup purposes, they're playing for a continent. So comparing those two, I think it's like, all right, these guys that, you know, when you get the guys to buy in and really care, and maybe they did care at the last Olympics, and maybe just I just didn't get the feeling that they did. But this, this Olympics, you really could tell that these players really had an incredible experience. Well, it's such a tough one. And it's interesting you bring up different formats too, because I feel like it is when it's good, like today, good, you're like, don't roll that exact same thing back out. That was, I want to watch that again, and again, and again. But when it's bad, it's, it's, you know, it's kind of like, why am I supposed to care about this? And I think that, like, it's interesting, because I look over like track and field, and you see, you know, runners and athletes that can do multiple events, you know, you have men who are running in, you know, the 100 meter and the 200 meter, they're running in, you know, relays, but they're also running like mixed relays. And it's hard to have that equivalent of like, hey, we'll still, we'll do a men's individual stroke play, but we'll also do a mixed team event that feels like the Ryder Cup with men and women. And then we're also going to have the women's competition, you know, it's just, you can really can only ask them to do one thing unless you want to shrink the length of each of those competitions. You know, I would love to see a mixed competition at the Olympics, at the Olympics, simply because we don't see that anywhere else. And I also feel like there's, there's just that element at the Olympics where if you are playing for your country, shouldn't that kind of feel more like a team thing, you know, like where you're all kind of waving the flag together and you have someone alongside. I mean, it's amazing as an American to see Scotty Scheffler on the podium, you know, clearly overwhelmed with emotion for doing something for his country. But it's also, you know, it's a little bit like, yeah, I mean, we see Scotty Scheffler win all the time on tour. And that's, that's largely just Scotty Scheffler up there winning. So I don't know, I mean, because that's maybe what more of what I would have said entering the week, but then I've watched what I watched today. And I was like, yes, more of that, please, like, I'd rather have that a million times over. I thought, I mean, to me, I thought the coolest part, and it's a shame that Victor Perez didn't end up on the medal stand. Yeah, because just seeing the French support and that hard charge on the back nine and just him coming so close, that to me was one of the coolest parts of this competition. You know, we, we picked two French players at the beginning of the week. And I just do, I took Matthew Pavone thinking, like, you know what, that's the guy that we've been talking about this year. And you're like, Oh, I'll take Victor Perez. And of course, Victor Perez went absolute psycho on the back nine. He was six under on a five hole stretch from, I believe it was 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and just gave himself an opportunity came up one shot short. But Scotty was actually talking, he was saying in the press conference that a bunch of the players were talking that Victor Perez and like Matthew Pavone were getting Tiger like treatments this week, as far as the crowd, they really felt the presence of, of, of just, you know, a country getting behind a player, which, you know, Tiger had that support everywhere he went. But that's what they said it looked and felt like. So huge props, by the way, to all the people that showed up to, to make this a really cool venue and make it really sing on TV, because you could really feel the energy from the crowd. Just a, I mean, just epic, epic day. But the one, the one thing that I think you and I should talk about when it comes to Olympics golf, and now that there, there seems to be that the players care, that the media seems to have a more of an interest in it and feels like it can be something really big. But what we talked about this a little bit in the lead up in that this golf tournament from a official World Golf ranking standpoint was getting 50 points. And if you look at the official World Golf ranking 50 points list on, on, on an event that's comparable to that, you look at like Valispar. When I say 50 points, 50 points to the winner. Valispar is also similar to that. If you go, if you go and just, just glance at the Valispar leaderboard and then you look at the leaderboard here at the Olympics, they're not the same. So we've got to either find a way to elevate the Olympics to where it's in the same category as signature events, because I just don't see how that, that, what we just watched wasn't at the top echelon of what I feel like professional golf is, which they should be rewarded with, with rankings, if they're going to rank and give player world ranking points for this. It's, it's a very fair criticism. It's also like, it's so strange to sit here and have so many conversations about live events with, with 48 plus players or whatever that now 52 and, and talk about how, you know, these signature events, they're, they're, they're too small. We wanted to go like a hundred players and then to look at a feel like this this week, which I think was like 60 to enter the week. And I think maybe two guys with Drew, I might have the numbers a little bit off there, but you know, not a huge field at all and say, yes, give that more points. Again, I think it's, to a certain degree, like, I'll put my hand up and say, I'm a little bit of a prisoner of the moment, because all the cream rose to the top. And, and, and the best guy showed up. And so winning today's event was a massive, massive achievement. I think there's got to be a happy medium there. It's got to be more than 50 points to the winner. I don't know how many points it is. And I don't know if it's like where it lands against a, you know, against a major against a signature event. It's tough to say, but it definitely, if you have more, and I think what's going to happen too is they're going to, they're going to kind of springboard off of what we just saw today and, and really kind of make some changes and adjustments as we kind of, you know, head to the next summer Olympics, because I think that, you know, this thing started what, you know, in Brazil in 2016 was the first iteration of this thing that you had Tokyo was supposed to be in 2020. They ended up being in 2021. So this is like the third time in, if I remember correctly back in Brazil, the same guy Rory, who was, you know, talking after this event about what an amazing experiences was, was like poo pooing the idea of playing in Brazil. It's like, this is a fabricated thing. Well, I think it was the zebra virus. You remember that. Exactly. All the, all the guys are like thinking about having kids were like worried totally. It's, it's, you know, and I don't, I don't blame them for it at all. Like, I, if any, it was funny, I was sitting watching the final round today with my wife and a man who was like, what, so do guys care about this? Like what, like, what's, what's the significance of this event? And it's so strange because it doesn't really have any history. And I also want to get into the venue itself like golf nationale, but different than any other golf event we watch, it's not like venue selection is a huge part of it. It's basically like, hey, this is the host nation. Let's look in the greater area and try to find the best course we can find that area. A lot of times you get good options. And I think this was a very good one, but it's not like the venue is this key central piece. It's like, we're just, we're going to Paris, regardless. We're going to Tokyo, regardless. Let's find something there and Brazil that had to have Gil hands come down and build a bunch of courses. So like, I like to me, it's like, it's not history. It's not venue. I think the, the thing about it that probably makes it cool is a lot of these kids grew up and they were athletes. They played a lot of different sports and they undoubtedly were at home watching the Olympics every year and seeing how cool it was for those athletes and those sports to win a medal and represent their country. And so for these guys now, they're more and more coming around to the idea of, man, it'd be so cool to stand up wearing USA colors on that podium with a gold medal around my neck. And boy, do we see that today with Scottie Scheffler. You know, and that's, you make a great point to talking about Brazil and just the start that it got because the golf course, like you mentioned, Gil hands comes down and builds some courses. And it didn't look good on TV. You know, the fans weren't out there supporting it quite as much. And then fast port, we already talked about Tokyo, you know, it's a year after the doesn't have the same buzz. It's a limited type of fan experience. I'm sure it was a great golf course. But now this year, you finally had venue fans and then buy in from players. And that's why it was, I think so successful. Yeah. And I think I love to get your thoughts on like golf national. Because it's just, I think I saw Tron Carter tweeting about this who has been more than vocal about his distaste for Valhalla. And he's certainly entitled to his own opinion. And I think he has some fair criticisms there. But the Scottie wins at 19. Xander won the PJ Championship at 21. You can look at that leaderboard and say, what's the difference? I thought there was just, and we already kind of touched a little bit on it in this earlier in the conversation. But just, what did you like about this venue? Like, to me, I thought there was a great risk reward. Okay. I thought that it was just the whole thing was, it was very interesting, even if it wasn't a storied venue or a classic venue, I thought it was just, it was set up perfectly for dramatic golf, which is what you want an event like this. You give guys soft fairways, you give them soft greens and you give them no wind. It doesn't matter where they're going to play, they're going to take it deep. It's if you want to play the compare or contrast game with Valhalla and leg off national, which I don't think is a, they're just, they're just so different, right? You got a golf course that that one has all the risk reward reminds me much more like a players championship where you have to sit up on every, you just can't take a shot off where Valhalla, you feel like you could take shots off and get away with some, not to say that it's not a hard golf course because, you know, I think for most people, it would be a difficult golf course. But the way it played that week with all the rain, they got to Valhalla, it was, you know, there's not a ton of slopes around the greens of Valhalla. So there's nothing about that golf course that I felt like was going to make it play firm and firm enough to really challenge the players. But let's say I had Bermuda greens and it was firm, you know, maybe we're talking a little differently about Valhalla, but the way it's set up, you know, for the PGA this year, they got some rain, you know, just, it felt like it just came down to, you know, who could, who could hit a seven hour in the best and see Mike Zander was the best of that. For 25 years, Mike's has been making lemonade the hard way. Mike's hard lemonade. Hard days deserve a hard lemonade. Mike's is hard. So is prison. Don't drive drunk. Premium all beverage with flavors. All registered trademarks used under license by Mike's hard lemonade company, Chicago, Illinois. Walmart Plus members save on meeting up with friends. 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And then went out and played a very solid file through rounds, including on Sunday to kind of, you know, put himself in and around it. So props to you, Wyndham. Yes, 100%. And I think a lot of people forget how well he played from the US Open last year at LACC to, I mean, it was probably through, gosh, it was, I guess, players championship was just was put the halt on in there. Like that stretch that he played, it was it was some, some damn good golf and is every time I kept watching, we just kept reminding me of Brooks, you know, just the way that he was carrying himself, how confident he is was with himself and with the media, whether that was right or wrong, he was, he said what was on his mind, and that's kind of what reminded me of Brooks, and then just how he was playing too, it just playing fades and, and, and just playing his golf, which was, I tell you, when he had it going, when he, when he drives it, well, my gosh, because he's got low 190s ball speed. I think people are talking like him like he's not an elite player. He is, he just had a tough second half of the year with his golf swing. You've seen bits and pieces of, of really hot rounds. He saw it on Sunday at the Scottish Open. So there, there is, there is some good golf and, and Wyndham, I think, maybe through the playoffs, he's a guy that I got my eye on for one particular week coming up. So yeah, props, props to Wyndham, we definitely didn't deserve all the criticism of the whole system with the world ranking and how it is. And these live players not getting points and that's a whole nother debate that, that we can get into if you want. But I think when the undoubtedly earned his spot, the way the system set up, and I thought he represented his country well, maybe not the first 18 holes, but the last 54 holes really well. Yeah, I think there are some questions around Wyndham's major record. They're probably fair. Outside of a course is when at L.A. C.C. And, you know, I think it's, it's such a tough one in the game of golf, of course, because it's, I think, you know, people look at that and say, well, he just, he doesn't have a clutch gene or like he's never going to play well on high leverage golf when it could just be kind of what you're saying where you're going through some swing stuff and just so happens to coincide with the major week. And that's a really tough scene for you if you're trying to convince people that you're an elite player. He's done it on a numerous other high, high leverage events. But I mean, I think he tell you himself, he has to play better in other major events to kind of really earn it. So well, that's, that's, that's why Scotty's like in Zander, what they've done, their level of consistency at the highest level. That's what's so impressed about these two guys is that every single week, they, they show up and they hit the shots over and over and over again. And they find themselves in the top 10 and not missing cuts. And for a majority of the players that are elite on tour, very few are in this category that these two have put themselves in where they're just right there every single week worries, worries there as well. Just worried just hasn't had the wins to back it up and ROMs been there over the last couple of years, but now him moving to live. Now we just, we just have to play the game, right? It's like, is he, is he playing himself in enough shape to win big events? And that's been a conversation about him today. Completely bizarre Sunday observation for me. I think Victor Perez looks like the French Wyndham Clark and or Wyndham Clark looks like the American Victor Perez. Agree your disagree in the comments, please. I can be completely off there. I just was watching I was like, huh, something there. There might be something there. So there you need to see more Victor. I just need more of them. I just thought, is he had a mustache in his career? I just figured he did. Yeah. No, he should have one if he doesn't. I mean, I think when you do more Victor, I loved the Victor Perez heater on Sunday. I mean, mainly because he was my French friend, I was like, let's go. But I mean, I think just I want to see I want more Victor Perez in my life. He was, if I'm I might be mistaken, but I think he was one of those guys that earned their tour cards through the DP World Tour last year. And it's had a very solid year. In fact, this is probably where's he at in the FedEx Cup? This is look at look at how seamless of a segue that we're doing right now. We're segue right into our discussion about the precursor, the finale of the regular season as we head into the FedEx Cup, which is the Wyndham Championship. And so I sent over a list of some guys that are just outside the top 70 because if we remember last year, we were talking about Justin Thomas. We were talking about Adam Scott. We were talking about Shane Lowry that had to kind of play well to make their way in. And so this year, the list of guys I'm looking at are Victor Perez sitting at 71st. You know, you got to think I would assume if he said, I need to look at a Wyndham field list, which I have not done yet to be fair. But I mean, I'd assume that a guy that is sitting right there is going to play the Wyndham in an effort to make it in and capitalizing on his momentum of playing well, not found around the Olympics. Davis Riley at 72nd, which is like this guy won this year. And it's still 72nd. That's kind of an interesting sort of scene. Andrew Putnam at 73. Andrew and Lucas Glover at 76 or two that I find interesting as guys who were in the playoff last year in signature events this year, who are still on the outside looking in Keith Mitchell 79. I think it's an interesting one because he's got that did not have the benefit of signature events. So, you know, I don't know if there's any thoughts you have on any of those guys or maybe some guys that are inside the top 70 that you're really keeping an eye on this week, you know, to see that that final movement of guys that are going to make it in the FedEx cup. And then, you know, obviously, there's a cut to get in and then there's the all important, you know, play at the FedEx St. Jude to see who can get not top 50 category to make their way into 2025 signature events. Well, of the names that you just mentioned, I think the one that I'm probably going to be focusing watching to see how he plays the most is who you have mentioned at 79. I think Keith Mitchell is probably the most interesting one because he hasn't had a bad year. He's actually played pretty well, just hasn't quite had enough high finishes toward get enough points. But he's a guy that we if you listen to the last couple episodes, we really dove into the FedEx district, FedEx cup distribution points list and how, you know, being in signature events, just being in those events, how important it is to, you know, earn your points in those. And for guys that aren't and haven't been in them like Keith, you know, he's he's actually played pretty well this year. He's just, you know, he's he's not playing an events that are giving enough points away. And you could see it in his stats. You can see it in his, in his strokes gained overall. He's in the, you know, is the top 15 type of player in that category. So that's got to be frustrating as a player knowing that man, I just didn't quite get enough bats in these big events to, you know, go out at a pebble beach in the past in which he's played well. And then go finish top 10 that week and basically lock yourself up in the top 70. All it takes is one week with a good year like he's had and he just hadn't had the opportunity. So that that's the one player I want to see. It's like, can you go out? Even though I'm sure you're mad and frustrated as hell with the system and go out and finish top five here this week at at the window, play yourself in the top 70 and then go play well at St. Jude, play yourself in the top 50. Next thing, you know, you're in the signature run. So you can always play yourself into a different category by just, you know, just putting the T in the ground and going and doing it. But I feel like Keith is in that category of guys have been like, man, just just needed some more bats. Another guy on the official list that I was looking at that I want to bring up at 96 Tyrell Hatton. We know he's a great fit at Bay Hill. I'm just wondering how you think his game fits such field. Dude, I would absolutely pick him this week and wanted done if Tyrell Hatton was there. Oh my God, it would be such a great fit. He would it's an auto top 10. A lot of people saying top 10 lock it's such field, you know, 96 is a long way to go to 70. But anything that I hope I hope we have enough listeners that have been on the ride with us in all of our episodes to know that Tyrell Hatton that we picked him to play like that week and like, Oh, wait, he's not even on. He's on blip. Like, what are we doing? Yeah, that was, well, that was definitely that was to be fair. You that was mommy one. And I just was being right over my head. So, so I mean, it's definitely some interesting names. And I think it's been really cool to see that the how that event is transformed, especially with all added weight this of these, this really just this last year and now this year, right? They got to be thrilled. I mean, you can't miss it. You know, it's like, that's a hard defining line as to who's going to make that top 70 in the subsequently, who's going to make it a signature event. So it's a thriller. Yeah. No, I think that that event and maybe even RSM at the end of the fall, where you get guys cards on the line and their jobs, those, those two have been the winners of not being signature events. They actually have something where people want to watch because there's awesome story lines on, on who's going to be making the playoffs or who's, who's always in their, was in their car and who's always in jobs. Well, I think we've done a solid recap here at the Olympics, a little tease of the Wyndham championship. I think, you know, maybe we'll find some time the next couple of days to make our one and one picks a window, getting close into the season. And we got to figure out, I think maybe next year, I'm proposing a shift from FedEx cup points to OWGR points so that we can take across the board. Nobody wants OWGR points. That's even, even, like we're, we covered the PGA tour. We, we also, we, we touch on things that we see in the live golf tour, but even us, we're not OWGR guys. Like this is, this whole system is just making me tugger guys, or isn't that the other one, the TUGR? We'll find a, we'll find across the board rank system. So that, that, that is that. And we'll, we'll get you those one and one picks for the Wyndham soon. I just want to know, smiley, just open questions are open. What would you like to know about me breaking 70 for the first time my 66? I'll field any question. You know, I just, you know, I'm, I'm an open book here. Happy to walk you through hole by hole, whatever you'd like. I'm, I'm an open book here. I, I had sent a message to the producer of golf central to see if they'd have you on as a, as a featured guest to, to really go in with highlights, you know, on the 12th hole, when you're, when you're absolutely, you know, crap in your pants, like how are you able to, to stay put and, and keep, and keep going. And it's been really impressive hearing about you around, but I mean, I don't want to say this to put you in a, in a spot right now that I don't, I don't want to characterize your rounds. I wasn't there. I don't know the golf course, but doesn't it seem like this is the time of the year, or every one in your, whether it's your friend group, another friend group, are like, I just shot the best round of my life. It's this time of the year. It's hot. The greens are soft. You play in the morning, they're pure. Is that a week category? Isn't are you in that category of guys that career rounds are shot this time of the year because of how maybe receptive the golf courses not to take away from a big day? You know, it's, it's a fair question. And look, I'm happy to kind of get into the details of the course and the setup. We've had a lot of rain in North Carolina recently, but we played in the afternoon. So it was firmed up a little bit. This was at my home club, Hope Valley Country Club, of course, are going to be asked about that because your home course, you should know well, I played from the white tee's hand up. It's it's 71 rated. It's 130 slope. This was this was supposed to be just like a fun round. I was a late ad. I like played tennis in the morning. It was on call and just like rolled up rolled up. I didn't hit any balls hit to practice. Plus, like we're just going to have we're just going to go have a good time, have some fun, enjoy ourselves out there. I'm not I'm not here to characterize this as some like I'm sure that there are plenty of listeners who are far better at the game of golf than I am. Like I'm not saying I figured this thing out. Although I did Google like North Carolina, Mid Am qualifiers in the days that came, you know, like, Hey, maybe I'm gonna be good golf now. You never know. This is I'm just a guy with a dream. I'm I'm a guy that's a mid single digits. Lowish single digits with it that had a dream to break 70. And I achieved that dream and your dream might be different. You might have a dream to break 80 or 90 or 100. I'm just here to talk to you, the listener, the viewer that are out there dreaming, trying to achieve something. And I'm here to say, you could do it. It just sometimes it all comes together. Now I did. I was near crapping my pants after 12 holes. And I don't think anything that happened past the 12 hole had had anything to do with my golf swing or the quality of golf and everything to do that was happening between my two years. And also had a very calm New Zealander in the cart with me. That's huge. That's huge. I imagine there's a shepherd, you know, just, just nurturing you to the finish. Just, you know, keeping the conversations light fun, keeping your mind off of, of, of going too low. And this is actually funny, something from the Ireland trip. One of our buddies who's not one of the best golfers in our group is playing with JT on one of the mornings and JT's like 500 through seven holes. And just all of a sudden he realized how many under he was, like through seven holes. And he was like, Oh, man, dude, are you? You're 500 through seven holes. Like just like boarded it out. And then George, George, brother, Stephen said, dude, stop. You sit here, you play golf and you watch. You don't say a word. I thought that was the funniest thing ever. Is that just that some guys just always, there's that one guy on your career low day that just boards out. It's like, Oh, man, dude, you're like, what's your low round of all time? Like, how many under are you? And there's always that one guy that it doesn't happen. It's, it's, he's normally the guy that doesn't play in the group. He just happens to be there that day. And he's the one that always just, it's just bogey, double bogey. And you're just like, this dude. It was, they was opposite of that. It's a bit of, of having, having a little bit of a baseball background. Like when we got to the 13th, he felt a little bit like you're throwing a no-hitter. Everyone like is sitting at the other end of the dugout from you and they don't want to talk to you. And everyone's getting really, really quiet around your practice swings and shots. And you're like, this is, this is too quiet. Please somebody change what's happening. I'm thinking way too much. But Magnus had the tunes on point in the cart was very like even keel calm. And yeah, I mean, there was some big, some big par saves along the way. Like, you know, I think that's how I say on a broadcast. It's, it's not the birdies. It's the big mitt putts you make to save party. Keep the numbers, the big numbers. You know, and so it was, it was, it was, it was amazing. It's probably never going to happen again. As, as noted, I went out today and shot a really sloppy 83 at a public chorus in East and Pennsylvania. And if that's not the game of golf, I don't know what it is. I just was, I couldn't even be mad. I was like, this is, this is how it goes. So I will say, if I can just make one gripe about the way this system works is that I previous to this round, right? Like I started playing a little bit of good golf. I shot under par for the first time my Scotland trip, my dad. And I told a man, I was like, Hey, like, this is kind of wild. Like, I'm under a three handicap for the first time of my life. I'm like a 2.9. This is super cool. But like, I really shouldn't be this low. And then I go out and I shoot this round. And it says the, the predicted handicap is 1.7. I go, this amazing, Amanda. Like, I just told you, I was under three for the first time. Now I'm under two for the first time. This is super cool. But like, I should be like a five, like this is not good. I wake up. It's the morning we're supposed to be leaving for Pennsylvania. We, of course, we've not packed. We not packed ourselves. We not packed our son. It's just like a total fire drill. And I'm in the kitchen. And I get a notification on my phone. And I go, Oh my God. Oh no. Oh no. I mean, it's like, what, what, like what happened? What something happened wrong? Like, we have to cancel a trip. What's going on? I was like, Amanda, they made this exceptional score adjustment on the gen app. I'm now an 0.7. She's like, I'm going to, I'm going to kill you. I was like, I don't think you understand Amanda. Like, I, there's no chance heading in a member guest season that I can play to an 0.7. It's not happening. Like, I can't play to a three, let alone a near scratch. So if I can just, you know, if anyone out there at the USDA is listening, what are we doing by penalizing people who shoot the best score of their lives by shaving another shot off their handicap? That's ludicrous. Please stop that immediately. Okay. Also, if we're going to continue griping, I shot 66 as well. Yesterday. 66 bros and lost money. So that's always fun. But I'll say that our, the way our group, we got to figure this out because somehow, and I guess it probably all adds up the same, but I hate it from my perspective in that the way the golf genius saying calculates the handicaps, they, they calculate everybody's handicap based off of zero and not off of the best player. So they play me at a plus three. And so on the 18th, 17th and 16th easiest holes, I give one shot back. So if I make birdie, I make par and I can't stand that because I would rather give three extra shots away to everybody else versus making a score and then, and then, oh no, you made a par. And I just think that that to me for somebody who's obviously normally going to be the better player of the group, that's frustrating in, in these handicap games. And listen, this is my life now. Like I play against handicap. So it's, it's never going to be fair for me unless I just play against good players, which I, you know, if I've been, if I'm playing for money, I'd prefer to just play for everybody straight up and not have to deal with handicaps. But I like playing with my friends too. And I wanted to, to somehow be fair if you go out and I feel like I played pretty well shoot 66. Honestly, I say play pretty well. Like it was soft degrees were perfect. It was the easiest score day of all time. 66 this time of year is a really, really good score. That's what I'm hearing people say. Like my, my pro golf self on the yesterday would have shot and like it would have been 59 watch and I shot 66. And it was like, Oh, I'm back, but not really sharp. Well, so that's, that's actually very interesting because I played in a couple of different variations of how they handicap these things. I played in ones where, of course, you spin off the lowest number, the system you're advocating for. I played in, in some competitions where the, whatever they decide to make, you know, scratch that there are guys that have to give a shot or two back, relative to their course handicap, wherever it is. I've also played in ones that are interesting where they, they do like a half shot on certain holes. I like our shots. Half shots is way, way better. It's, it's great, right? Instead of it, you know, you're getting an odd number. It's got to be matched by it. Right. It's matched by when it does it, but it's great. It's so good because then it's like, all right, you can make a four and beat me or you make a five and 100% to me. If I make a four, just, you know, it's, it's a much fairer system. What I'm curious about in this equation is to keep looking you up on gin. I think the last score you posted was like 2013 and you're like a plus five. It's like, when, when are we getting updated scores into the smiley Kaufman gin account? I don't think I'll ever plug it in. I don't think I'll ever plug scores in. I think I'll just, I'll just play as a, you know, plus three, plus three, plus four. Yeah. And I'm fine with that. I just don't want to give shots back. That's fine. That's fine. I just, you know, I, for, for however many years, I, you know, golf and a score, I would always judge myself based on what I shot. And now, you know, I just keep score on days that it's good and days that are bad. I just don't feel like I, I want to be grinding for a 73 or 74. I just don't care enough to, to post to 74 or 75 or a day when it's really bad. Like, I just don't want to go home and have it ruin my day and just go home and be like, Oh, I'll go figure it out. You know, it's, it's not a score where everybody can go and walk into my gin thing and look me up and see you like this today. That's fair. That's fair. And so I just feel like it's, I did that long enough. I don't really care to post scores. So whatever I do shoot, it's like good days are great. Bad days are whatever. I'm on to the next one and don't really care because I did that long enough playing bad and having to post scores. It's just not fun. This is great. This is also hilarious because I feel like this reminds me of trying to get my wife who played collegiate soccer for Virginia Tech to care about our rec leagues in DC and she heard being like, Charlie, this does not matter to me at all. Like this. We're like, we're playing against like people who are drinking beer before, after and during the games. Yeah, but it's like, no, no, it doesn't matter. In the same way, I completely understand you've you've won on PGA tour. You don't care about plugging scores into a gin app, but nevertheless, I'm here for the ground, but you're not here to give shots back for a competition. So fair, listen, if you if you made it this long into the episode, thanks for doing it. And especially if you work for the USDA, just take it into consideration. All right, I think we've given you a lot of really good feedback here and it's worth considering. So yeah, if anyone wants to play for money, it will be with me for a very long time until I can kick out 20 scores. But thank you all for watching and listening this far and smiley. Do you have any final thoughts before we close this thing out? USA. That's it, baby. USA. Come on to County way to way to bring it home. USA. Very good. Very well. Well, actually, final thought. Okay. Six biggest events. Americans won. Oh, how about that? Share my six biggest events in golf or the six biggest events in the Olympics? No, in golf. That's right. Four majors, players in the Olympics. Yeah. And the Shriners. Who will the Shriners is here? We don't know yet. That's right. It's in the fall. Stay tuned. The seventh event. Yeah. Very good. Well, I guess look out for some Wyndham one and one picks for us on social media and for another guest dropping the feet soon. Yeah. 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Join Smylie Kaufman and Charlie Hulme as they dive into the thrilling Olympic men's golf tournament where American Scottie Scheffler's stunning final round charge stole the show and a gold medal win in epic fashion! They break down dramatic leaderboard changes, key moments from Scottie’s back-nine run to gold, and varied performances from the final group of Jon Rahm, Xander Schauffele, and Tommy Fleetwood. The duo also discusses the state of Olympic golf since its return in 2016, briefly looks ahead to the final event on the PGA Tour calendar before the FedEx Cup playoffs begin, and of course cannot wrap the show without offering Charlie a chance to field questions related to his recent personal-best round.
