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It's Friday, August 16th, 2024. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] Okay, let's start off as we often do well. As we often do with our promotional segment where I tell you that is extraordinarily simple to support our show by simply going to supportourshow.com. Everything you need to know is right there. And one note on the YouTube version of the double feature. And you may notice if you are paying attention to such things that the audio only version of the double feature is five and a half hours, whereas the YouTube version is a little under five. And that's because I couldn't use anything, anything from the movies at all, not just visuals, not just audio, nothing. I did ten edits and none of them were acceptable. My appeals were all instantly rejected by the companies, so I tried. So there's a couple of kind of janky edits where I'm obviously about to refer to something you should be seeing and you don't. I don't know what to tell you, MGM and 20th Century Studios sucks shit, that's it. So, I mean, I wrote a novel and they didn't care. And not even a no actual response, just a rejected. And I said, hell with it. So, the audio version has all the stuff. That also got rejected on YouTube side, but Libson doesn't care, fortunately. So, if you just go play from the show site or from the RSS feed, you'll get everything. YouTube's podcast version of that got blocked too, but who cares? You can still get it. So, I still think the visuals are worth watching. You know, you're just missing the actual parts that we're referring to, but nothing I can do about it. So, I don't know what I'm going to do going forward. I think I'm just not going to bother because it's not worth all the effort. It isn't. I'm sorry that they're thwarting your video. Did you try the whole thing where you cartoonize it? Oh, oh, let me tell you something. I did a version where I obstructed the video to the point where you couldn't recognize it with stickers that said YouTube's copyright algorithm sucks. And then I pulled all the color out. I inverted the image. I put static over it. It was like all of that, all of that together. They still blocked it. They still recognize just the audience. I watched most of... Was it Daredevil? Not Daredevil. Deadpool Wolverine the other night on YouTube on somebody just posted the video and all they did was like slow. It's kind of funny. They slowed it down and sped it up at different spots, and then they had fan reactions from a theater recording, which is what I think it was. And that was just sitting there on YouTube, and I was like, "How is this here?" Well, okay, yeah. So I think that person probably has the exact nature of how they analyze things. I even tried one thing where I took the audio, and I put random predator sound effects in it, and I chopped parts out, and it still blocked it. And at that point, I thought, okay, there's probably, and I'm going to look around, there may be something where somebody has an automatic effect you can put on that will do it. Yeah. But I was literally, each of these things could take an hour or two, and I'm like, I'm spending five, six, seven hours on something, and not to make it about money, but I'm not making any money from this. In fact, I'm trying to drive revenue to these fucking companies, and they're just won't let me do anything. And I finally got to point like, this is not worth my time anymore. So the audio version has everything, and you will hear what's missing. And the video version just doesn't, you know, it mostly works well enough. It doesn't matter, which is good, where it's not like, because we're describing what we're talking about. So it's not as if we play something and say, boy, I'll tell you, the thing about that is, well, there's no point talking about it, you saw it, so we're just going to keep going. We never do that, because that would be really bad. So we're talking about the things we're asking. Like, if you were sitting in front of a giant TV screen, and you were just talking while the movie played behind you, would that set off there? I think if it's clear, yes. I think if they can, well, the thing about that is then, but there's no point in doing that, because I'm just trying to gauge the degree. If there was no audio and it wasn't crystal clear, I believe it would be fine. Yes, because that would be considered transformative because it's our audio, none of the movie's audio, and the movie would be slightly blurred because it'd be behind us. Yeah. I mean, even Mystery Science Theater, I think, has to get permission for the stuff they're doing. Yes, they do. So, but like I said, the thing that drives me crazy about it is, I know, you're not making any money. It's actually on their behalf. Yes. And no reasonable person could look at what we're doing and see it as actual copyright. But this is the blanket effect. They say no because you set something off on their algorithm, and by and large, their algorithm avoid... You set the net out. You catch some good things. You catch them bad things. So, they caught you along with a bunch of other people that were doing something nefarious. And it's very clear they didn't read what I wrote, very clear. Lucky for you, there is an audio version that you can listen to. Yeah, that's one of the reasons I never had a problem with this type of thing through Libson, which I'm somewhat surprised by, but either they just don't care or they're really looking for real copyright infringement and they have something that can tell the difference. I have never had never, of course this might be jinxing it, but I don't believe in that type of crap, so it doesn't matter. And the entire time we've had this show, nothing has ever come back when they've said, "Hey, you have to take that down." Nothing. And we played music without permission and stuff in the early days. I mean, we were pulling full songs for the openings and we've played long clips. I mean, the one from, I saw the TV glow was what, nine minutes, something like that? Oh, yeah, you know what? That's a really good point. It's long. That completely missed the fact that, yeah, that's really, that is really long, yeah. And they've never, we've never had a problem. I've never gotten a single message, nothing. And I'm not talking about, no, I think it's because... Don't call down the thunder, I guess. No, no, I think that they are, I think audio, they don't, I think it's more that they don't care about audio. And if I played, if I were to play the entirety of a Rolling Stones album front to back. I was like, "Oh, get ready to hear something great." And then at the end, I said, "Wasn't that great?" And that was the whole show. Do I think that would trigger something? Yes. I think that would. I think though that they are aware that if you're not doing something that is a front to back replay at pure quality, I think they are wisely not caring, which they shouldn't be. So that's, I just think it's a different thing when it's all audio, is that they're aware that if it's not music, well, you can't really, nobody is going to listen to a movie instead of watching it. And even so, we don't play the whole movie, so it's a different thing. But even what we ran into on YouTube is just, it's indefensible, it's ridiculous. And it's just stupid. So instead there's a little title card that comes up kind of Charlie Chaplin style, like an old silent movie thing that says, I think it says seem missing because MGM, and what does that say? I actually kind of, I was sort of happy with it because I'm like, "Yeah, look at the point across." What does that little thing say? I made a little image for it. Hold on, I'll go to our YouTube channel really quick. This is the one that is up. Oh yeah, it's just, there's no clips in it, but instead where those clips were to cover up the fact that I had to kind of do a harsh edit, I put a little image up that says seem missing. There's kind of a classic thing where they take movies that are missing certain things. You put a little scene missing card there, and here it is. Yeah, so the difference in length is 4.55.52 versus 5.23.17. Now the weird part is, even though it's blocked, you know what? Actually, I meant to, this is an interesting question for you. I'm going to send you a link in the chat. Tell me if you can open that link. I'm really curious about this. I just put it in there. This is thrilling for people who are listening in the way, but... It is open. The video is unavailable. Ah, okay, that's what I thought would happen. That's why... Fox has told you to fuck off. Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. Oh, here it is. So, scene missing, because MGM and 20th Century Studios are run by morons in bold, who think blocking videos from using footage in an effort to get more people to see their films is a good idea. No exaggeration, this is my 10th out of this video trying to avoid their blatant ignorance of fair use. I give up, sorry, I tried. So... Yeah, that's what I had to put in there. The rest is up. So, yeah, I had a hunch that it wouldn't work. So, I'm just going to go ahead and delete that video out, because there's no point leaving it there if nobody else but me can see it. I don't care. Delete. Bye. Okay. This is kind of the problem with the... This is the problem with the video. Yeah. You know? I mean, you were saying to me at one point, you have to be careful what's in the background of your image and things like that. You know? I actually, it was funny. The other day, I was contemplating reading, doing, like, posting the audio for my books and just doing, like, my own audio books and, like, putting it, posting them on YouTube. Sure. And then, very, very briefly, I was like, "Oh, you know what, maybe I should just do, like, a video thing where I sit there and I read." And I was like, "You know what, I don't even want to entertain the idea. I'm fine with audio. People can listen to my books and do other things while they're there." Well, there is a thing. Actually, somebody had posted, "Oh, I... Oh, oh, oh, oh. I'm glad, Jesus. I almost forgot something, which I will... I'll get to this in a second. There is a... somebody had posted on one of the five YouTube things. Oh, you might want to put video in here because it'll be more entertaining. And, honestly, while I appreciate that, I am not going to be able to be offered for five weeks. On the fives? No. I mean, it would be super easy, but it would also make it kind of super annoying. No, no, no, no, no. It's not super easy because YouTube has no mechanism that I can find him. Anybody knows of one, please tell me. So, basically, what YouTube does is it reads our RSS feed, which is what comes out of Libson. It's a giant, long text file that is essentially a chronological posting of every episode. That's what an RSS feed is. It's been there since the beginning of podcasting. It's what allows your... whatever you're using to go out and constantly get new episodes. It's an updating text file. Alright, it's an XML file. Yeah, I think it's XML. Anyway, in there, you can't put video. So, I would have to go to every single five and create video for it and then re-upload it with the five audio to every single one. I'm not doing that. It's not worth it for five minutes. I'm sorry, it isn't. It's just not. If YouTube had some way to say, "Oh, on all these videos, use this as your background video?" Yeah, I would create something that was just kind of animated and, you know, whatever, or if it could pop up like transcription or something like that. Sure, I would do something like that, but I'm not going to do it on every single one. You know what? I think the fives are simple and they should stay that way. Well, let's put it this way. I think the simplicity of them is what keeps you turning them out. Well, I will add this asterisk. Yeah. At the point where the show becomes something where I don't have to work anymore, I'll start doing it. I will commit to that. If there is a point sometime where this show becomes a replacement for my income, I will do it because then I'll have the time and it will be a full-time thing and then I'll be happy to. As it is now where the show I'm paying for it, I am the government subsidizing the show. Yeah, no, I'm not doing that. I'm sorry, I do enough. No, you're a main paying customer. I really am. Yeah. That's sad, but true. But I did want to say because we got an email from one of our listeners who... Hope it's from a female. I don't know whether this person wants me to say their name because they have some kind of Hollywoodish background. So I'm going to keep things vague. Why are they emailing us? Well, because I'll just read the email here. Go ahead, yeah. So here you go. Hello, Joe. It is so funny how things transpire in life. I was thinking that I need to watch COP, which I reviewed in our last... Oh, yeah, the woods, yeah. That has been a few years since I've seen it. If you can find the review by Cisco and Ira is truly a great review. I think that Cisco said something like it makes Dirty Harry seem like a pacifist. The first time I saw it was at a showcase at a college and James B. Harris was there. Stanley Kubrick's producer until Kubrick left a move to England and worked on Dr. Strangelove. According to James B. Harris, he didn't think that they should make it into a comedy. He said that was the biggest mistake of his life. The movie cop, this is referring Dr. Strangelove. COP is not a comedy. The movie cop did have a very meager budget. Everybody worked at scale, meaning the bare minimum, or less to get it made. I know it was barely paid on it. Yeah, he was a big kind of booster of it. The strange thing I remember is that James Harris's last production with Kubrick was Lolita. And if I'm not mistaken, there was speculation that Mr. Harris was having a relation with Sue Lyon, the actress in the movie who was 14 at the time. I'm not sure if it was true or not, ellipses, but it is Hollywood. This is one of the films I recommend to everyone that asks me what they should watch. I don't know if I would ever... What, Lolita? No, not Lolita. I don't know if I ever recommended this one to you. If you want to see another movie that has a good budget, but literally no one saw checkout the assignment with Aidan Quinn and Donald Serlin. I've heard of that movie, but I haven't seen it. Oh, wait a minute. I think I've seen it. You may have seen it. I think last count of people actually saw it was ten. All right, hold on. Hold on. The assignment. As an ender here, another is a French film called... What year is it? 90... Doesn't have a year, so I don't know. Just Aidan Quinn and Donald Serlin. Another film is a French film called A Prophet. These are the ones I tell everyone to check out. I hope you enjoy. Well, thank you. A Prophet. Oh, wait a minute. I think I know that one too. I don't think I've seen either of these. I think I've heard of them both. French. Hold on. The Prophet one especially sounds really familiar to me. It does. Oon Prophet is probably the French name. Yes, yes. The Linkburn Muslim man struggles to get by in prison until he's taken out of the wing of a powerful mob boss, but his gradual rise to the mob's rank brings him in conflict with his mentor. Ooh, sounds interesting. I don't recognize any names in this. Which is good. Interesting. That's not bad. Okay. I think I saw this at one point because it was like, it was like a late night B movie. First review. This movie is awesome. This is one of the first French films I've ever watched. Oh, okay. Good. The Assignment or? No, no. A Prophet. Oh, sorry. The Pictures Classics. There's a sign. Oh, there you go. That's a sign. All right, so, yeah. I think the thing about this movie, which movie are we talking about? The Assignment that I remember, is that essentially they bring Aiden Quinn in to help them catch the Jackal, right? You know, that assassin character. Oh, yeah. Carlos the Jackal. Okay. And the thing is that when Aiden Quinn is playing the Jackal, they like, they basically have like long hair, like, you know, like he, it's just kind of funny. Like when you see him dressed up, when you see, he's supposed to be playing both parts. So when you see him as the Jackal, it's almost kind of, it's, yeah, it's almost kind of, well, because. Oh, I see him. I see him. That's great. Oh, no. Oh, I like it. You know what it looks like? He looks like Cuervo Jones. But I vaguely remember that those were, I vaguely remember that they were, that they were costumes, that he was always trying to look different. Well, that's, is that what the Jackal was the, what he called? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, they're based, I mean, aren't they based off a series of books about the Jackal? Well, supposedly. Yeah. It's a real, it was a real person. But no, I vaguely remember this one. I just remember it as like a, yeah, like a, a middling, you know, espionagey, I'd watch it. Yeah. All right. Listen, Aidan Quinn, Donald Sutherland, and Ben Kingsley is a fucking hell of a cast. Yeah. I mean, listen, I like Donald Sutherland a lot, so. I like Ben Kingsley. And when I was younger. Of course. I mean, of course it was a cool. Well, it's streaming on prime for nothing. So guess what? Oh, well, there you go. Oh, watch it. I watch that for no dollars. I'll watch that for no dollars. It's true. Let's see. Let's see. It's like the art of war, the art of war with those is nice. That came up as if you liked this. It was right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like art of war. Yeah. And I think it's like art of war is not a great movie, but there's a few sequences in that movie that I'll never forget and like the one fight between is Michael Bayon with the snipes, right? Yes. Yeah, that the end fight with the two of them is really well done. You know, some of the fight choreography, it's they just, even if it's like by today's stance, we were like, well, it's not that cool. I do like the way they made it look. Sure. Yeah. Well, it's only $3.60. So I'd rent that. I'd rent that for $3.60. Whizzly Snipes always had really good fight choreography in these movies. That's because he was good at martial arts. It helps. Yeah. Helps when you can be like, yeah, I don't, that's not how a punch works. Let me show you. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. I love it. The review. The other side of Aidan Gwen. Oh. Oh, what's that mean? Foot over? No, I think they said, I think it was more that he was more, what was that he was more grim. He's more gritty. I know. Okay. Sure. Sure. Anyway. You had no memory? No, I, well, I had some to talk about, but yes, I'm always mystified when people email. Yeah. Well, this question is, like I said, I don't know if this person, because this is one of the tallest to Gary Bucey story. You remember that one? Oh, yeah. That was a good story. I'm keeping things vague because there may be a treasure trove of stories. And I, this is the closest I am to being a journalist where it's like, you got to protect your sources man, just in case, you know, on the off chance somehow somebody who knows anything ever listened to the show was like, wait a minute, there were only like 10 people at that party. You know? I don't know. Um, I, I wanted to mention, I read a book and you ever have a book that you're reading and you, um, you don't, you don't enjoy it. And then all of a sudden the writer does something to you in the book and you go, Oh, that's really clever. The Warriors member? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Warriors. There's like a halfway, halfway book. There was a series by David Drake that I have talked about for the Lieutenant Leary series. It's also called the RCN series where it's essentially, um, space naval battle. If you like Star Trek, you'll probably like this is more military though. Yeah. I've talked to you. And essentially the RCN is almost like the British and then the, they're going up against the Alliance of Planets, which is basically like, the French under Napoleon Bonaparte something like that, right? They aren't called the British and the French, but that's essentially to some degree how he plays them. Yeah, those are the analog, but they, they use a lot of, he, he does a lot of cool naval stuff and, and he, there's a, and there's a bunch of these books and I've read almost all of them. No, no, actually I've read all of them. Uh, I really enjoyed them. I like David Drake. Uh, and the thing was he were, there were two books left in the series and I accidentally read the last one. Um, I read it at an order, uh, so like I read that one earlier than I was supposed to. Uh, and that was like, uh, and that one was weird because it was basically, you're with the same crew and you're pretty much with the same two people, the whole, all the books, which is the, the character of Adele, who is an information specialist who can essentially hack everybody. She's pretty much like a sociopath at the same time, um, and she's fantastic. Uh, and then leery, who is like this more classic, good looking, good-hearted, uh, naval guy who rises through the ranks and he has a lot of family power kind of behind him, but he's not connected to it. And he's a good strategist. He's a really good strategist and he loves to explore. And he is also very interested in, um, biology, right? He's, he, he's, they kind of flipped it because in the, I know that there was a lot of influence from master and commander and a master and commander, Paul Bettany's character is like the spy, but he's also the biologist, right, uh, whereas in this situation, um, the spy information character Adele, she is a librarian, so she's into information, um, and the other character of leery, he's the, he's into bota plants and animals and things like that. It's a really great series. And as the, as the books go on, you, um, you really enjoy the, the crew, you get to know everybody better and better and it's fantastic. So the last two books he wrote are kind of weird because the, the very last one is a new person who comes onto the crew and it's told from his point of view. And what makes the book fascinating is that you realize how scary and weird leery's crew can come off to other naval people because at this point there's rumors that he has his favorites and at this point he's, he's gotten up there pretty high and rank and, and every bit. There's all these rumors about him and the thing is having actually read the books about him. You know that, that's not how it works, but when you read this book where you see it from this new guy's point of view, it is actually quite interesting because you're reading it and you're like, oh yeah, it's like, especially Adele, Adele comes off as fucking frightening as hell. And, and there's this kind of comedy where, you know, she's, because she's a spy, she doesn't have a very high rank in the ship, like she, she has a very low rank in the ship, but because she's a spy, she kind of does whatever she wants and she's best friends with leery. But, but whenever they go anyplace, she also has a royal title. So very often she'll decide whether she's using her title or she's going in as just, you know, another asshole on the ship. So it's, it's these interesting dynamics, right? And when you read this last book, you get to see them through the point of view of a stranger and it's really fascinating. And I, I really did enjoy that book. And I knew that I had one more book I had, I could read in the series and I was hoping that it would be like, you know, a more traditional adventure with the crew, you know, with leery's crew and whatnot, where it starts out kind of weird and, and it's, it's a little slow and he sets things up and then the last hundred pages is like balls to the wall fucking warfare. Drake does fantastic action. So I had the second to last book and I was excited because it was like my, it was my, my break glass if, if need distraction kind of book. It was like, you know, I knew it was leery's books. So I was like, yes, I will read this when I get a chance. So I finally picked it up and I was pretty crestfallen, but I started reading it because it is not about leery or his crew at all. It has nothing to do with them. It is a book about an entirely other ship that is in the same universe. It's like if you were the second to last episode from the season finale of like your favorite Star Trek show, right, and you're like, okay, this is the second to last episode of the, of the, you know, season, last season of, of next generation, right? And then you get an episode with a ship you've never heard of that has nothing to do with the enterprise with a whole cast of people and it's kind of like a middling episode. Do you know what I mean? That kind of feeling that I would bring about this. This sounds a lot like what happened with Metal Gear Solid 2. Okay. So I thought it was going to be another snake and it wasn't, it was right, and it was like, what the hell is this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so I'm reading this book and I'm, I'm, I'm getting through the book and as I'm going, I'm like, okay, well, it's an interesting concept. It's a, it's a, there is an alliance now. So the, the French and the British have essentially, that's not, again, that's not actually what they are. That's just kind of the, what they come off as. They have a treaty. So they're no longer at war and now, you know, you're dealing with other smaller governments and kind of colonial planets. And this one ship, which is a naval ship for the British, the, the far traveler, it is being used for exploration. They are going to far off planets and they are checking for new sort of star routes to get through places. They're creating maps and they are looking for animals and, and plants and stuff like them different planets. And the head of the, the head of the biology department wants to try and prove her theory of the ancient space travelers, which is that they were aliens that were traveling this galaxies before humans did, right? And then this is something that Drake has, he's hinted at in the other books. There's always some, some tiny reference to like, oh, could this be some reference to the, the ancient space farrors and something like that, everyone's always like, Oh, whatever. Yeah. Okay. Santa Claus. But this woman is like very interested in it. And the idea is that she knows in these colonial plants, everybody always, because there's a very sort of, it's, it's, it's very futile, right? We're essentially taking the time period of master and commander and put it into space to some degree. So these people have a nobles have like, you know, a curio, a curio of curiosities type of thing. Right? A lot of nobles have these. A lot of lords have these where they have like their little mini museum of weird things in their home. And, and she wants access to them and she's like, well, they're not going to show these to me because I'm just some fucking biologist on a naval ship. So she finds out that there is a guy who is, I think he's, he's the, he is, he is Navy, but he's like, low, low, low level Navy. And he is a biologist and he is the son of the brother of a major lord, right? So essentially, he's nobody. He has a name, but anybody on the home planet knows that he ain't shit, right? But the biologist is like, yeah, wait a minute though, but out here, he has the name and people aren't going to know that he ain't shit. So she asks to have this guy, his name is Lord Harry Harper, drag him out to like the ass end of the, of the galaxy to be part of her biology crew, but also to be the nobleman who goes to these, these nobles and says, hey, could we look at your collection possibly? I'm Lord Harry Harper, you know, from the, from the, the British royalty. And, and the thing is, it works. It works really well. And he is very nice. He's a very nice guy. And what's interesting about the book is that the sections with Harry Harper are written from a first person point of view and there's a naval character named Rick. Rick is a very generic character. And this is one of the things, this is where, this is where it begins to have like kind of a weakness in the book, which is that Rick is like this very sort of weak character to me. He's very, he's very generic military. He's a nice guy. He does his job. He's good under stress. And when he lands on a planet, he wants to shag who he can, well, what he can, he's very typical Navy, space Navy, right? So he doesn't really bring much to the book, but he helps Lord Harper understand what the fuck's going on. And he's good, I suppose, if you were a first time reader to understand what the hell's going on, on one of these ships, right? So he's the insight into the life of a space Navy. Beyond that, he seemed to kind of generic, but he's good in the sense that he kind of provides you, like I said, with information. So the whole book is just these people popping from different planets and kind of going after things and discovering little things about the ancient space fairs. And it's really not that amazing. And I was like, man, this is like a weak book. But then at one point, finally, towards the end, one of the guy Rick gets, they're out of a planet that has essentially a treaty with the French. But there's two different governments that are kind of vying for this colonial planet. And there's kind of like a quiet pull for power. So one of the groups who doesn't want the French there, kidnaps the generic Rick character, basically hoping that it will put pressure on the French to get some of their men released that have been captured because the French don't want to break the treaty. They don't want to have British soldiers die, then it have to be their fault, right? But the French don't give a shit. They're not going to think about it. Neither are the people that work for them there and the crew of the far traveler are kind of left going, well, we're going to have to figure this out. And Rick is Harry Harper's friend. So Harper has this whole sequence where the crew basically know they need to do something, but they can't do it through the captain because the captain is very kind of straightforward and wants to go through channels, and they know that they need to find their man because the French are going to get him back. So they come to Harper. Now because Harper is the smartest man there, because people will talk to Harper. He's Lord Harper. He's very nice, and he's very gentlemanly. So he basically gets in front of these these naval guys and acts as their go-between. Well, he's people they want a question, and he wants to get his friend back, so he's all for it. And this whole scenario basically rolls out where they essentially end up accidentally kidnapping the daughter of the guy who is essentially running the kidnapping on their guy Rick, right? It's accidental. They thought Rick was going to be there. There's a girl. They didn't know what else to do. So they grabbed her. Then they were like, "Oh shit, it's the daughter." And then they were like, "Well wait a minute, we'll trade her for Rick." And what ends up happening is you get this scenario where the naval guys are all doing shit, and to some degree they're doing shit around the Harper character to keep him alive, because he's very nice, and he's unwilling to let anybody take the blame if this goes wrong. So they're trying to keep him alive by making all these preparations. At one point one of the characters sets explosives under a supporting wall in case when he goes into negotiations they don't let them leave, right? And up to this point you're kind of like, "Okay, what's going on? It's fine." And they negotiate, and they get Rick back, they trade him for the girl, and they basically get her back because the French special police pretty much get involved, and Harper comes in and he pulls this move where they have the daughter, and so now the local power has to trade her, and the French people see what's going on. And there's this weird moment where you realize that they think Harper is a spy. They think that he's some kind of clever technician. And because you read everything from Harper's point of view, he tells people the truth, he's a stand up guy, but the way he does things is so clumsy that it almost comes off as an unintentional or it comes off intentional. So at this point where they get the guy Rick back, he sends Rick back to the car where they're going to leave, and he's talking to the French police guy, and he says something like, "I'm really glad that you got involved and everything can be done in a gentlemanly way." And the French police guy's like, "Oh yeah, it's good. It's been okay to work with you on this." And then Harper realizes that those explosives are still on that supporting wall. So he's like, "Oh, by the way, there's explosives on this wall. They were put there as a precaution in case things went south. My people went and did this. This is how you can get rid of them." And you realize the way he delivers it sounds you know he's just being honest and saying to the guy, "Hey, my guys did this without me. You really need to get rid of these. Sorry about this." But it comes off almost like a boast, just so you know, we were going to blow this fucking place up if you guys didn't play along. And you realize that people think Harper is some kind of fucking spy, that he is a character like the Adele character from the other books, because Adele is basically the humble ship communicator. I mean, she's essentially a houra, right? That's her cover, right? Or she tells people she's a librarian, but in the end, she's the spy on the ship. She hacks everybody. She shoots everybody. She's a badass. You don't want to fuck with her. But she comes off as the, "Oh, I'm just a librarian. I'm just, I just handle the communications." And so when this guy's talking to Harper, you realize that they think Harper is a spy. And even when he's walking away, the guy says, the French guy says, "Hey, you know, what exactly is your position on the far traveler, which is a naval ship?" He's like, "Oh, I'm just a biologist." And he walks away and I just realized at that point that it is actually, the whole book has become this almost clever joke on the very idea of the previous books, which is that from the outside, it looks like you're dealing with the same kind of crew. Same kind of crew Leary has. If Leary were kidnapped and the crew loved him, they would move heaven and earth to get him back, right? And Adele, who's his best friend, would move heaven and hell to get him back, right? And in this book, they lose this guy Rick, everybody wants Rick back, the crew's all doing shit kind of on their own. Harper's the faceman on all this, and Harper comes off to the, to the enemies, like, like he's the tactician, like he's got the moves, you know what's going on. And so it's funny because it almost becomes this like meta joke on the very books that have made the whole series up to that moment. You know what I mean? Like where it's, and it's not played as a comedy, but what I got to that moment, I started laughing because I was like, okay, it made the whole book worth it. He set me up. And then when this moment happened, and from that moment on, everyone's like, well, you know, Lord Harper really knows what he's doing. And you're sitting there going, no, he doesn't. He doesn't know shit. That's like he's Mr. Bean in this situation. Like he's, he's fucking Johnny English, like he doesn't know what he's doing. I was like, he's just nice. And he is noble. I mean, that's the other thing is that he's not a bad character. He is noble, but he doesn't know what he's fucking doing. And when they tell him at one point that they said explosives on the wall in case they had to go get him, he says to the, the woman who did it, he's like, well, why would you do that? She's like, we had to go get you. She's like, you know, you're one of the good ones. We can't let you go. And he, and he gets all like emotional, like, oh my God, he's like, they really like me, you know. But the thing is, it's all played straight, says you're reading, you're like, okay, and you're used to the other books. But then like I said, you get to that moment where you're like, oh my God, I was like, they think he knows what he's doing. So the book shifted like that. And the moment he did that, it went from being an annoying that it wasn't another adventure with the lyric crew to being actually a hilarious statement on that kind of crew, that kind of book. You know what I mean? Where it's like, yeah, and it makes sense that Drake then went on to write another book where the, his, the next book in the series was an outsider seeing Leary's crew. So first he gave you this idea of how easily things can be misconstrued. And then he gave you an outside point of view of the people that you've been with the whole time. So you could be like, oh yeah, so I feel bad that I read them out of order because I think that if you read these two books at the end of the series, very tightly back to back, it makes a, it makes a really good kind of end focus on this crew of this ship and everything they've done and the format for of books that Drake has written about them. So he actually went from not liking it to really liking it because it very is much, is there it is very much about Leary and his crew, even though they're not in it. And I've never had, I've never had a book pulling on me quite like that where all of a sudden I was like, oh, it's nice to see what you're doing. And, and, and after that, it actually was really enjoyable for the rest of the book because everybody's, everybody's acting like fucking Harper knows what he's doing, except for the Rick character, who knows that he's like a, you know, a goofy biologist, and, and they, and they just go on, you know, like the book ends with them just, you know, kind of fucking off and still exploring. So it's a weird, it's a weird experience for me. I don't often get literary experiences like that. But I wouldn't advise you to read it unless you read the series. And I think that's, that's probably, that's probably the weakest part of the book, which is that as a book on its own, I think that it's middling. But as the second to last book of this huge sprawling series, if you read these, the, the RCN series and you love them and you get to the end, it's this kind of hilarious meta statement about this crew and the people on it and how they are perceived. And also this idea of how, how individuals can be misconstrued and how easy it is to come off like a spy, when really you're just some, you're just a biologist. Like once people get this idea in their head, nothing you can say, because after that he started saying stuff and, and the character hasn't changed at all. He is still doing everything he did through the whole book, you know, he, he, he's not a physically superior specimen at my, at one point when they go in to do the, the operation to get the character Rick out, he is essentially carrying the gear for the tactical woman who's killing everybody. Like he won't let her go in alone because it's, he's like his uncouth for you to go in there out, but woman on her own, he's like, I'll come with you, right? But essentially she just uses him as, as like a rolling backpack. She's like, okay, you're carrying my guns, carrying the grenades, you're like, follow me, right? And he's like, nobody else can come in, it'll just, to us because it would be wrong to put anyone else in danger. So she's killing everybody and he's just carrying the weapons, you know, and then that is the Harper character. But then you get to the end and the character hasn't changed at all. But suddenly you start to see how each of his statements can be conceived as being, you know, spay-ish and, and suddenly like, you're like, you see people responding and you're like, no, like Jesus, that's not how he said it. And because you're in his head, you can see him being honest and being this dork. And then people responding like, Oh, yeah, well, yeah, you're, you're the, you're the quote, unquote biologist on the ship, okay, Lord Harper, yeah, okay, wink, wink. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't tell anyone to read this book on its own. But as a second to last book of a, of a series, a beloved series about a crew, I think it's fantastic. And I don't know of any other, I don't know of any other book I've read that's like that, where it's, it's weak on its own, but as a supportive text, it's fantastic. I don't know, do you have any thoughts? Well, that's kind of how I look at the Warriors. It's very similar to my, except in this case, it's a supportive text to the movie. Yeah. Yeah. As a companion thing to, to, to see what they changed, what's different, what might have actually been. Oh, yeah, because you said, don't see it, don't read it on its own. Well, but read it as part of its own, you have to get through the first half and you have to get through that second half. Yeah. But there is almost its own movie in that second half where it's the one who gets the guy in the tunnel. Yeah. I could see a whole movie where there's only a, let's say it's a 90 minute movie and the first 15 to 20 is them, you know, escaping from the big thing. And then the kid, the one kid gets separate and then the bulk of the middle is just him in that tunnel. And the psychological stuff. And you, yeah, and you thinking that he's going to maybe break free from all this and then him quickly. Yeah. Yeah. Going back to the last 10 minutes is understanding that no, there is no escaping from this world for this person. Yeah. I mean, I can visualize the movie. It's a completely different thing than what we got. But that's, that's where, oh yeah, especially if you, if you love the movie to read this is so fascinating because yeah. And that's, I mean, it's, it's a far, I mean, the, the book I read, it's a farcical commentary about the rest of the series, you know, and, but I love Drake. Drake is probably probably my top five favorite writers. He wrote a lot of shit and like, Drake is not deep, not deep fiction, but his action is just so good, like his hammer slam, hammer slammer series is so ridiculous a name. And yet it's such a cool series, a good, a good thing to start with Drake is rolling hot. It's a short, it's one of his short stories. If you don't like rolling hot, then you will not like what he call it. You won't like. Yeah. You won't really because that rolling hot is, I think it's one of his better short stories and it pretty much sums up Drake, which to set it up for you, it is in the world of hammer slammers. They are a mercenary unit that goes across the galaxy selling themselves off and they are known for their hover tanks. They have this, these superior hover tanks and that can basically go anywhere. I love those fucking tanks, man. And they, they show up and they just fucking that they're better trained than most of the people they're dealing with and they just, they have no interest in what's going on. They come in, they do the fight and they get the fuck out. And then very often they get fucked over and hilarity ensues. But this is one particular story is about how it's the rear command. So it's not even a command. It is the rear camp where tanks are being repaired. So it's not even the front line of this fight. And it's what happens when these people, this, this bedraggled crew of people who are broken tanks, mechanics, engineers, I think there's a reporter there who's doing a story on them in this, this rear camp. And it's what happens when the front line suddenly shifts and it's right on top of them and how they then have to move to not be destroyed. And it's, it's, it's like kind of a little bit of a slow start. And then once it goes, the title is perfect for it because once they've, once the story starts rolling, it is just balls to the wall action and it's at times vicious and gruesome. But you know, I dare call it an exhilarating short story. So I love Drake. Drake is great. I don't like to read Drake back to back because you almost get the momentum is almost too much. It's almost the end of his books because with his short stories, he goes all speed like it's very, very little build up and then you kind of right into it. Whereas with his books, he really likes to fucking let you hang on it for like maybe 75% of the book, sometimes more, sometimes it'll let you hang for like 80, 85% and you're kind of like, okay, what's going on here? What do you set it up? And then the last like, you know, 20% of the book, it's just like all hell breaks loose. Everything happens and it all makes sense, you know, and in the leery books, it's fun because it's usually leery and Adele figuring out some kind of insane shit. They get themselves out of whatever military situation they've found themselves in and bringing together all kinds of components that you didn't think would fit, you know? So it's, yeah, with those books, you spend some time going first, you figure out what the hell the situation is. And then as you're going along, you're like, okay, well, how the hell are they going to put this together? You know, so it's, yeah, I think Drake is great. And I definitely think you should, if you're curious, try find a copy of Roland Hot and check out the hammer slammers. But the first leery book is I think it's called With the Lightnings. And it's a neat book because it's about how the crew comes together, which is an interesting story in the sense that it's there all, they're on a planet that suddenly changes sides for the French government, again, not the French government, but that's how they kind of are. And the British soldiers there who then need to get the fuck off the planet and how they kind of come together, all the different characters kind of come together to form a crew to then steal a ship and get off world and all the shit that goes on. So it's very different from the other ones, because they're behind enemy lines, they don't know what the fuck's going on, they steal a ship that's not even British Navy, it's all this shit like that. But it's really good because it's them trying to get away and then cover their ass so they can get out of there. So yes, I think I've gone on enough about Drake and his books, I enjoy them thoroughly. I was sad when he passed away. Did you hate that? You find that? Yeah, I don't know if you really love it. I'm waiting for Gibson to die any day. Oh man, you know what, the news about Lynch, then Lynch, he's got emphysema, and I was reading a thing with him where he was saying, "I knew smoking was bad, but it was part of the scene and I really enjoyed it and I just kept doing it." Yeah, he's basically said, because COVID's around, he can't risk going outside because it's so bad. He said he can't walk 10 feet without being out of breath and so his fear is that he'll get COVID and just die. So he said, basically, he's not going to be able to direct unless he can do it remotely somehow. The only thing is he might do animation, he could do that probably without having to- Oh man, an animated Lynch movie, that'd be horrific. An animated Lynch movie about being stuck inside from emphysema? In general. In general. Oh no, I know. I like his animation. But yeah, that was... But it's not a surprise. Yeah, it's not a surprise because that's the thing. My wife said, because what I told her is she's like, "Yeah, you know, we've watched the behind the scenes stuff or anything with him, he's never without a cigarette." And he isn't. Cigarettes and coffee are like his whole life. So... That's what he said. I mean, he's like you smoke a cigarette. You have a cup of coffee. Yep. And I get that because when I stopped drinking coffee, I realized that outside of the caffeine addiction, the physical act of making and drinking a cup of coffee, there's like this- Oh man, I know. The ceremony of it. He, that really being able to drink as much coffee as I used to. Yeah, there's a ceremony to you, you make it, then you sit and you drink and say, "Yeah, it's just great." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have that anymore. I have a different ceremony now, which is that coffee's become my oh shit tool. So when something's happened, where I haven't slept and I have shit to do, I drink coffee. But I'm only allowed to do it like once or twice a week at most. I tend to only do it once every like two to three weeks at this point. But what's nice is because I don't drink coffee, when I actually do drink coffee, that shit comes on like cocaine. But suddenly I'm like, "Whoa, I'm suddenly wide awake." I was like, the act of not doing the thing makes the thing better, which makes you want to do the thing more, but not doing the thing is what makes it as good as it is, right? Such a weird conundrum. Yeah. There's some, I might have done 30 Rock has this one off little skit where it cuts the writers who are who've written some kind of bizarre and like not so thing. And the two of them are bouncing ideas off and he's like, "Yeah, now this is going to be a great one." He's like, "Yeah, I can't believe how much running we've gotten." I was like, "Yeah, we've got all these ideas. Isn't it great that we get so much done on cocaine?" And it's like, "That's the joke." It's like, "Yeah, of course." No, and I, listen, I've never, never, never, never feel the need. No, no, no, I know, I'm saying, but like when I was younger, so when I was younger I had really bad, big heart, Jesus Christ, I can't remember them. No, not like I love seeing. You know, I'm beginning to think that all the plastic in my brain is fucking making me forget the names of things. What do you call it, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't sleep with my youth. Oh, insomnia. Yeah, I had really awful insomnia. And because I come from a family that doesn't really believe in mental illness, they didn't really do anything about it. Their solution was just go to sleep, you know, and you're like, "I can't sleep," right? I just cannot. And this started when I was a kid. Here, put this plastic bag over your head and once you fast sleep, we'll take it off. Yeah, exactly. So somebody said to me, "Well, it's a good thing you only had insomnia," because she mentioned if you weren't schizophrenic and I was like, "Oh, Jesus, yeah, that was terrible." Stop being crazy, stop being crazy. So I had really bad insomnia and in high school, you know, I hated coffee at that point because I just could not adapt to the flavor of it. I just fucking hated it. And around this time, my mother was a long distance runner, and she used to get this stuff from the vitamin shop called Up Your Gas that was essentially a pilled form of epinephrine, right? And which is illegal now, right? I mean, you can't just get that over the counter now anymore. Probably. Yeah. And so is it epinephrine? Or they've swapped it out with a different ingredient that is in the system? Yeah, it was either epinephrine or what was it? I think it is epinephrine. It was okay. I can't remember the exact name. I think it was epinephrine. But it was a central, nervous system stimulant, right? A powerful one. My mother used to take this stuff only when she was doing long distance races, right? Which I understand she had, she was basically raising three kids on her own and she was trying to be a runner on the side. Yeah, it was fucking hard. But I used to take this stuff because I'd have intense insomnia and I would take this stuff when I went to, so I could manage school. And you know, yeah, let me tell you, when you're, when you're fucking falling apart and you're so tired and then all of a sudden you feel like you've been hit by a lightning bolt from the gods and you're like, awake. And you know what's going on and everything's cool. And the thing is like, I actually did get a ton of writing done on that stuff. I got schoolwork done. I managed to stay awake in class and be involved and do a show. Oh, it's fantastic. Yeah. And then you get to college and they're like, oh yeah, that stuff's bad for you. We've made it illegal. And you're like, fuck. I took that stuff all the time. You know? So, yeah, I remember at one point cocaine was offered to me and I remember saying, no, I can't take that. And they were like, why? And I was like, because I'll probably like it. And when you know that you're going to like something, walk away, right? Just walk away, especially something that has that level of like addiction. I am, I wouldn't say I'm proud of a lot of things I've done, but there are a few things I am proud of myself having to self control for. And one of them is as of having been offered, and actually at this point, probably offered more than once cocaine and been like, no, I'm good. You enjoy yourself. I'm good. Just walking away. Because, yeah, it's especially as a writer and this idea of, you know, I'll just mean, I drank so much caffeine, I drank so much caffeine that my body was like, stop. Because listen, it gets your brain going, and then you get just to be creative all night long and through the morning, till you fall, you know, till you fall over dead, being creative. It's great. I love it. But now I only have it for what I really need it, which is funny because it's usually not what I'm, it's not, it's not ever doing anything creative. It's like, it's usually me in a car, which I send to my wife, it's like, this is like very funny that I, I'll drink coffee, especially when I'm driving like a long distance because you need to stay. And I, and I get suddenly like wide awake and super creative, I have lots of ideas and I'm trapped in a fucking car. It's very funny. Yeah, there's downside to that, yeah, yeah, there is, but yeah, it's the whole, yeah, it's a, I like having it now is like a tool that like when I have like, when I have a, a minor bat of insomnia and I have a bad night, I like knowing that I, that I'm not going to have to suffer the next day, that I can just make it through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stimulus, man. Yeah. Good and bad. I think about the, when, when cocaine was first brought to the, to England from the like, I guess from the colonies, right? And then they were like experimenting with it, trying to figure out like what they could do with it. And the guy, the first guy who like synthesized it to like, I don't know if he drank it or what happened. He drank, he was an older guy. He drank it. And then he went like a 10 mile hike. And he was like, this thing is a game changer. This is amazing. This is the answer to all our issues with aging. And like, that's, like that's the thing, there was a time period in, uh, England, I think it was like probably a Victorian England where like cocaine was everywhere. They put that shit in drinks for kids, you know what I mean? Uh, until someone was like, oh, this is, this is actually really bad. I wonder what was the moment they read like the, when did they suddenly realize, I don't look this up, that having cocaine and everything was bad, see, when did the British? Well, I just looked up, when did they realize cocaine was bad? Oh, what does it say? Uh, let's see. Here it is. It was made illegal, uh, as cases of devastating addiction and mental health damage started to be connected to cocaine use. What year though? Uh, I'm looking for the actual year. Hold on. Uh, 1980. When the law was passed. So 1914. Yeah. So figure within, you know, two or three years. So, and I'm pretty sure cocaine came to the British in like the 1600s. When did cocaine, I was like, I made a mistake. See, when did cocaine come to England? That doesn't say cocaine, the Victorian wonder drug. There you go. Yeah, cocaine, but does it say the year it came, what is it, 19th century, 1884, young Viennese, up to, up to, uh, mobile, mobile, mobile, mobile, I'm just, oh my God, I'm gonna get this right. Up to the law. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's the A.L. in the middle. Up to the modules. Fuck. Sure. Ophthalmologist. Yeah. There you go. Ophthalmological. You get, you get the cookie. Carl Kohler discovered that a mild solution of cocaine would, if introduced into the eye, dead in the nerves sensitive to pain, news of discovery spread rapidly through Europe and America, provoking ecstatic reactions from the medical professionals and the public alike. The first six months of 1885, over 60 articles on cocaine appeared in the pages of the British medical journal. See, Henry Power of the British Medical Association, I'm reading all this, by the way, from a article on thewelcomecollection.org. Henry Power of the British Medical Association wrote that in the discovery of cocaine, a new era seems to have dawned. The doctor and journalist Alfred Crispy described cocaine as, quote, "a discovery to captivate the imagination of mankind." For the Scotsman newspaper, the new drug seemed to be an almost literal godsend. Quote, "Christ," it wrote, "is the patron of infirmarys, hospitals, and homes, and cocaine is one of the blessed instruments of his pain-removing mission." Man. Oh, geez. Okay. That's fucking funny. Absolutely. Yeah, so it is passing. Was that cocaine the Victorian Wonder drug? Yeah, cocaine the Victorian Wonder drug. It's interesting, right? Yeah. Yeah. Welcome collection cocaine the Victorian Wonder drug. Yes. Welcome to two L's, otherwise you won't resolve, I figured that out. Yeah. And what's fascinating to me is the fact that, like, this is something that I don't teach you in intro to psychology, Freud did so much cocaine that his fucking nose practically came off. Well, that's why he had heart problems and nose bleeds, and that's when he was like, "Well, this maybe isn't the best thing for me." Yeah. His... Hold on. I want to... Well, most... I want to look... No, I want to... I want to look this up because there's a weird fact about this. I think that he had a... Oh, no, there's... There's something I read at some point about Freud having a... Freud having like a septum replacement or something weird like that because he like snorted so much... That's very possible because it causes a hole. So... Yeah. Hold on. Sigmund Freud addiction. Co-kay. Let's see. Oh, there's a PBS article. Here you go. Oh, this is a video. Fuck you bastards. Oh, there's a transcript. No, I can't read all that. We don't have that much time. Oh, geez. I remember reading about this. The... That he... He snorted so much coke and then his nose was corroding from snorting so much coke and that he had to basically rub cocaine on it because it was in so much pain when he wasn't snorting coke. Oh, geez. Where is that? Freud's death may have been assisted suicide. Oh, geez. He has chain smoking led to more than 30 cancer surgeries. Hey, there you go. And he thought cocaine was a miracle drug. So... Yes, he found his digestion improved when he drank water laced with dissolved cocaine. He distributed doses to his friends and future wife and touted the drug's therapeutic benefits in an 1884 paper on Coca, which he called a song of praise to his magical substance. However, when Freud gave cocaine to close friend, Erst von Fleischl or Mark Sow to wean him from his morphine addiction and relieve chronic pain, his friend instead developed a cocaine addiction with news of other addictions and overdose deaths spreading for his stopped advocating cocaine's medical benefits, but continued to use the drug intermittently for migraines, nasal inflammation, and depression until the mid-1890s. Yeah, his nose was corroding. Anyway, yes. It's one of these weird things where it's like when you realize... If you can't find anything on it, maybe it was a myth, or maybe it wasn't as bad as it was reported. Yeah, I... Usually stuff like that would be documented somewhere. And the thing is that where I read it was actually a very... It was a good source. I don't remember reading it in like a, you know, like a rumor site. It was on a... The Enquirer? Yeah, exactly. It was a really interesting article about his addiction, and about, you know, because with the thing is, like you said, you make a hole in your nose when you snort it. I mean, and the pain for him was intense, and the only thing he had for the pain was rubbing more cocaine on it, which is kind of like, you know, an addiction is terrible. I mean, I have only ever had a severe caffeine addiction in my life, and that was fucking awful. So I can't imagine what some of these other... It goes that whole thing from West Wing, where the care... Is it the Leo McGarry, the chief of staff says, you know, I'm an alcoholic. They're like, do you drink? And he's like, no. He's like, well, how can you still be an alcoholic? And he's like, because if I have a drink, I'll just keep drinking. I don't want one drink. I want 10 drinks. Yeah, I want a drink right now. I love how... Yeah, because that's the one that fires the girl, and she's like, so you can't even have one drink. He's like, no. The problem is that I want one drink. I want 10 drinks. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I like the way the show handled that idea, and it goes back to that line, as people who said, you know, I'm an alcoholic, I'll always be an alcoholic, even if I don't drink for us in my life. And I believe that because it's like, you know what? I don't drink coffee anymore, but I'm a coffee drinker. I will be a coffee drinker for the rest of my life. I want coffee. I want all the coffee. I want all the coffee, and the red bull, and the epinephrine. Like I want the stimulants. I will always want the stimulants. The legal ones, mind you, you know? But I know that I shouldn't, because I won't sleep. So it's funny how that is, you know? I wonder what our wonder drug will be. What is our wonder drug right now that, you know, 500 years, 200 years now people will look back and be like, what the fuck were those people thinking? I don't know if I agree, I guess. I don't know if I agree. Using a bagger, all sorts of things down. That's what I was going to say is they're applying it to everything. My kids, the other day, something came up with a bagger where they were like, hey, what's a bagger? And I was like, ah, it's a drug that-- We close your hair. No, I said it, it helps with your circulation. Yeah. And then my, I think my wife is like, it can cause you to have erections. And then, I mean, once they were finished giggling, they were like, why? And I was like, it's a side effect, which is true. It was discovered as a side effect. No, yeah. No, it's definitely, it definitely was a side effect that became the primary effect. And then it became-- [LAUGHTER] Ah, man. Yeah, I just wonder what that'll be when, you know, I'm always curious about that. Like, because we, we look back 100 years, we look back 500 years and we laugh, right? We're all like, ah, it's fucking idiots. They believe this. Ha, ha, ha. You know, oh, the gaseous we're putting lead-based, you know, make-ups on their face to look like that. Ah, crazy people. Ha, ha, ha. And then, you know, we sit there and we look in the mirror, we're like, we're so enlightened and I'm always waiting to be like, well, what's the thing that 100 years ago? What's our radium? Yeah. Yes, exactly. What's our radium? What is the thing that people look back and be like, what the fuck were those people thinking? You know? Like, was it, was it Mary Curie had to be, um, she had to be, uh, is it a lead-lined coffin? Because there was so much radiation from her body, like, I think we're reading the day that her notes are still have high levels of radiation going off. Yeah, that's the thing. It doesn't go away for a long time. Oh, geez. You know what, speaking of radiation before, you, no doubt, get to these movie reviews that you have. I want to talk about this one thing I watched recently that fucking blew my socks off because I didn't know this. So there is a vice video you can watch about the, um, the islands that the U.S. used for testing atomic weapons, which is like, what's that, the atoll? Yeah, yeah, exactly. And the government there, right? I didn't know. So my World War II history pretty much ends at the end of World War II. I never really go into that. And by the time I did a cold, I did a Cold War college lecture, but by the time that it starts, it skips a lot of the nuclear testing and starts out already kind of just passed. This is kind of gap after World War II and the Cold War, whereas the Cold War, honestly, the Cold War started when they dropped the A bomb, as far as I'm concerned. Hiroshima is the beginning of the Cold War, right? But a lot of courses and a lot of books and stuff, I feel like they start, they almost do like this little gap. And then it's like right after atomic testing, suddenly, you know, or the atomic testing is just overlooked to some degree. But you know, we did get to a point where U.S. and Russia both kind of looked at each other when they were like, Jesus, we need to stop testing atomic weapons. Because they were, they were, you know, radiating the atmosphere. Right? It wasn't that one of the things they raised almost like the planetary level of radiation through atomic testing. So this documentary, it's not very long, but it's about the fallout from all the testing that they did in the A-Tolls, like the Bikini A-Toll and how was the other one? But it's incredibly sad because I didn't know. So apparently there is these two craters up there on one of the A-Tolls. You cannot live there. There's a couple of A-Tolls that are completely off limits. The Marshall Islands, that's the ones you're talking about. The Marshall Islands, yeah. That's the dole craters, yeah. Yeah. The white blue water in the middle of nothing. Yeah. So one of them is a crater that is full, that is still filled with water. And the other one is a giant concrete bunker. It was a crater. And they filled it with atomic material, like sand and dirt that was right. And then they, and then I did the, apparently the Marshall Islands didn't notice either. They then shipped a ton of the soil that they irradiated in Nevada out there and buried it there as well. And then built this big concrete fucking like shield looking bunker thing on top of it, right? And the shield bunker is like, it's already cracking, right? And apparently they threw a ton of shit into the crater that is now a lagoon as well. So there's a whole bunch of just radioactive material in the water, right? And they start talking about, you know, the levels of cancer and how the, there is one of the islands that has atomic material, so much atomic material off the coast that they can't eat the fish. They can't eat anything. So to this day, they get shipments of food from the United States for this island. They get basically enough food for the entire island to eat shipped from the United States because the food is all, you can't eat anything on this island, right? It is crazy, you know, and that now with global warming and raising sea levels, these bunkers and these etals, they aren't as safe as we hope they are because water levels rising. So there's atomic materials, especially in some of those craters, are now essentially just kind of getting sucked out into the ocean. And that big stone bunker at some point is going to get submerged. I mean, the martial islands aren't going to be there at some point in the near future. I mean, they're what they said, they're only at six feet above sea level, right? It is one of the most of recently, it is recently one of the most alarming short pieces of journalism that I've seen. It's only 12 minutes long, but it's like packed with stuff. And then I was, you know, when you go down that rabbit hole where you find something out and you're like, oh shit, I should read about this. And man, it just sucks worse and worse the more you find out, like, especially for atomic testing and atomic material and the atomic bomb, U.S. did some mean shit. We did mean shit to our allies. I mean, for fucks sake, we bombed ourselves repeatedly when anyone, Operation Plowshare, go look that up. Like that's just, it's amazing that we got this incredibly powerful and destructive weapon that has a eight thousands of year lasting effect. And then we proceeded to just fucking hit the button over and over again. You know, like a lot of kids growing up learned that we dropped here. We dropped a bomb here. Shima, we dropped a bomb in Akasaki. And that's it. Right? And you're like, no, no, we've dropped, they say, we've dropped more than I think it was like 62 atomic weapons. One of the ones we used in the Marshall Islands was like 12 times the size of Hiroshima, right? I mean, this is the whole Godzilla thing. Godzilla's in that fucking crater, man. Let's see. How many atomic bombs has the U.S. dropped protesting, led for testing? Because if I say drop, they're going to be like two. Holy shit. Well, you can say used against, you know, oh my God, I didn't even know it was that high. Well, I thought it was like 12,000, like 12 hundred, you know, you close. Jesus Christ. I thought it was, I thought it was in the hundreds. The United States has conducted around 1054 nuclear tests by official counts, including two, by official counts, by the way. Well, the thing is, you know, you have to, that number probably isn't as big as it sounds because. Including 216 atmospheric underwater and space tests. That was, I was going to say actually ignite what bombs is, you were like really close. Yeah. But that includes, you know, literally like setting off a charge. That's the size of your thumb. So, you know, but the 200 is the real number is how many like bombs were exploded that could do series. I mean, that would be a lot of radiation. Yeah. And there's just, there's so much radiation. I mean, you know, there's always that joke. From the atmospheric stuff. Yeah. There's a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and like, that's just us. Like how much have other countries done? Oh, of course. Yeah. You know? Oh, there's lots of secret stuff, of course. There's always secret stuff. Yeah. It was a really, it was a really interesting little thing. I didn't know about the Marshall Islands and I feel really bad for the Marshall Islands because they were an ally and we had our bases there and we just decided to fucking ruin them. And there's like a report, there's one of these reports has been declassified where they're essentially talking about how like to some degree, they kind of knew they were testing it. They knew they were testing the people of the Marshall Islands because, but they, they agreed that they thought less of them. So they were like, well, why not? They're closer to people than mice and you're like, whoa. Okay. Yeah. Why is the life of a whatever bear less than me than one of an American? I don't know, but it does. I don't know, but it does. Yeah. Right there. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what it does. Yeah. So that's some weird shit in the world. It's a weird world. Oh, it is. It is. It's a weird world. So, what have you got for me, Mr. Wizard? Well, I have no clips from either of these movies, well, the second one is impossible to clip. So that's an easy one, but I, you don't need any clips from the first one. I saw that there was a, Julian Sands died recently on a trip that lost. Okay. Well, yeah. Yeah. It's kind of a weird death. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's not. It's just that usually celebrities don't get lost to die. What did he get? Did he get lost? Is that what he said officially? He went on a hike and he didn't report back and then they found him like after three days, I think it was. Okay. And he must have gotten lost or something. Yeah. And then, yeah. Yeah. It's not uncommon. It's just usually it's not people's whose name you know that it happens to. So what a Julian Sands movie. Did you do his final film and I didn't realize that this was his final film. I just happened to see his name was in it and it was a shark movie and I tend to like shark movies. It was a movie from this year called The Last Breath and if you look up the reviews, they're like dead center, 50 percenters and I went, oh, okay. So that's love and hate territory, which is usually a good sign. So they're okay. This is a $7 rental on Amazon and that's cheaper than a lot of the rentals I've been doing lately, which is a $20 price. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. This is this is a what's that movie that Brian Reynolds's wife did that was also like a great white movie where she gets stuck out in the middle. Wow. What is that? Man, it's like a two word name. Yeah. Oh man. Low time. Is it low tide? Low times at least. Either way. Yeah. Yeah. There's a whole bunch of these kind of yeah. Look, there's there's any any given year, there's probably 10 to 15 shark movies. Yeah. Of all varieties. So it's it's a population and I will say this an underwater movie is hard to do cheap. And this is a low budget movie. And so here's the thing about this movie. Yeah. As the kind of the the simple summary is as a top level review. It's not a great movie, but it has impressive parts. So is it is it better than deep blue sea? Oh, well deep blue sea is a laugh at it type of movie. It gets absurd. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, so this is like this is like good horror. Well, it's it's the story is so paint by numbers. Okay. I have the quick description if you want to read it. I mean, yeah, sure, because there's really nothing to it, a group of old college friends reunite on a Caribbean scuba diving trip exploring the wreckage of a World War II battleship and find themselves trapped inside the underwater labyrinth of rusted metal surrounded by great white sharks. Okay, incredibly. That's even more simplistic than the film itself, which which is saying something. So I was like, where is Julian fans and all this? Well, okay. So so movie starts out and we get for no real good reason because it doesn't serve any actual narrative purpose. We have a flashback to a World War. I think it might even be World War one battleship. I don't even remember because it's so inconsequential a battleship that gets blown up. But yeah, I think it's supposed to be there were you boats in World War one, right? Or was that only World War two? I can't remember. You boats are World War one. It was World War two because they shoot a torpedo from a submersible in some kind. And they're speaking a non-English language, which I would have to infer is German. So they blow up a I think it's supposed to be a British battleship, but it doesn't even matter. And the ship gets blown up. And then there's two guys that survive and they get eaten by sharks. And then we cut to the modern day. This doesn't really matter except that it's the same shipwreck that these people find. But honestly that opening. It sounds kind of it sounds like filler. Well, the only thing I could think of is the sharks don't show up for a long time. So I guess maybe they felt like we have to have some shark attacks up front because we're not going to have any more for a while. Oh, are there shark attacks in that part? Yeah, the two guys can eat my sharks, the two survivors that you see both can eat my sharks. Got it. And then, you know, that we cut the waters. So then we cut to the modern day. Julian Sands is an old grizzled ex-diver who's got a ramshackle boat. And he... Does he drag his nails down a chalkboard? No, no, no. They kind of go... I mean, he is essentially the quint character. But they make him the kind of damaged grizzled veteran because he's got nerve damage from diving and something happened. So he's knitting the whole movie because it keeps his motor skills going. So he and this young guy... Hold on. Does he have a rolled up hat and a little like handkerchief right his neck? Yeah. Yeah, it's got a red hat. Oh, he looks great. He looks like... He looks like French. What are you... Well, I don't know what his accent's supposed to be in the movie. No, no, he looks like a French version of the kind of job. Yeah, tied up. Yeah. With the mustache, everything like that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, listen. He looks quite good, actually. No, look. He's great. He's reliable and almost everything I've seen him in. He's good in this. You know, but he's not in it that much. So don't expect too much of him because he kind of... He basically frontends and backends the movie and he's sprinkled throughout the middle, but he's really not the focus. Does he eat it? Oh, well, he gets... He... Something eats him, yes. Oh, damn. Yeah, yeah, he kind of becomes a sacrificial lamb type of thing. But anyway, starts off a tee and young nondescript white actor. It doesn't matter. He looks like every other young, you know, CW guy you've ever seen. I want to tell her life, are out there and they've been looking for the Charlotte because nobody's found it and, you know, like a big, like more expensive boat comes by, twister style. They're like, "Ah, you know, you suck, you know, you're old crazy bastard." They keep saying he's crazy. He never does anything to indicate to these crazy. I think it's just one of those tropes they throw out so that you think he's nuts, even though he's not. I think instead they should have said something like delusional because you think you're going to find this with your old boat, but instead they call him crazy, which I guess is they're swapping that in. It never really makes any sense. But anyway, they're going to dive and lo and behold, there was a storm and the storms swept up all this sediment and they find the Charlotte and they think, "Okay, we can clean the boat and, you know, now we can charge people for tours and so we can fix the boat up and, yay, this obviously, you know, our financial problems." And so they're all thrilled about it. They go back and it just so happens that this guy, whose name I think his name is, no, Julian Sands, character whose name Levi, I don't know what the other guy's name is, whatever, white CW guy's friends show up and essentially it is a group of four people, two of who you know will die immediately because you hate them and the other two which you're not sure about. So there's an ex-girlfriend who happens to be a doctor, which we'll come in handy later, who they split up because he wanted to go diving and she wanted to stay in wherever city she was and be a doctor and so they're, you know, if they've got there, if they still love each other, you can tell is there's something there that perhaps some stressful situation will rekindle the passion that they thought was gone. We don't know how the movie goes, sharks, sharks, well, actually a number of things before sharks, strangely enough, the sharks are almost the third problem. But anyway, so that's ex-girlfriend, ex-girlfriends brother who is rich asshole, who thinks money solves everything and he can buy everything. So of course you know he's going to die and you want to see him die preferably horribly. Stoner friend who seems like a caricature of a character, he seems like a Michael Scenic character from SNL that somehow exists in the real world, like he's ridiculously a stoner, like over the top caricature. And then female friend who I was never really sure what the relationship was but is nice but timid and, you know, is nice enough but has no real desire to go in the water even though they at one point say they are all certified as scuba divers. So we find out there's no part, anyway, I hate to put it like that, but there's plenty of people that that doesn't mean much as much as I know, there's plenty of people I know that they're like, I'm certified as scuba diver and you're like, really, you've never done anything physical in your life, I know, but usually we were somewhere and it seemed like a good idea. Yes, they seem like touristy scuba divers more than CW guy who is a dedicated diver and is shown to be an authority and by and large is proven to be correct in what he's saying, so he's not just making it up, he seems to know what he's talking about and if they just listen to him, things would have probably gone a lot better. So they're partying and it all is just one of those movies to a degree, although everybody do this. No, no, no, we'll do that. Oh, we're all dying. It avoids being laughably dumb characters, but they make poor decisions at points, some which are understandable, some which are not. We'll put it. Yeah. Well, that sounds like, you know what, they made an authentic movie. That sounds like real. Yes. And the ones who make the really dumb decisions tend to be the arrogant ones and so it sort of makes sense. Oh, there you go, they're partying and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then lights go off and Julian says like, Oh, sorry, uh, let me, let me get the generator going and the lights will be back on. And then CW guy says, why the lights go off? Are you behind in the electrical bill? He's like, he's like, I'm kind of behind on a lot of bills. Uh, I had to borrow money to just keep the boat running. He's like, Oh, uh, what are you talking about? Like two, three grand? He's like, no more like 40 grand. And so the guy's like, Oh, and earlier rich asshole brother said, Hey, I'll give you 10 grand. If you bring us down to that ship that you found, I'm going to swim there and CW guys like, no, that's not something you just do for fun. We're not going down there. But now Julian says he's going to lose his boat and his livelihood unless they can cope with some money. So it goes back to this guy and he's like, all right, you pay me 50,000 and I'll take you down there. And asshole brothers like, okay, I'll give you 50,000. But then we're all going and he's and CW guy. His first reaction is no, no, no, no, this is not, this is not fun. Yes, you're all certified, but I'm taking one person. I can manage one person and he's like, well, it's 50 K and all of us are nothing. And of course, cause they're in a bad way. He decides reluctantly, all right, I'll take you down there. So now we know exactly why they're all going to be there. So it's not just that they go for fun. It's out of desperation. So they go out and they go down and they start to run around. Yeah, but to be fair, generic dude is sitting there going, is that a good idea? Oh, yeah. No, he's against it. Let's go play with the Ouija board at the bottom of the ocean in a haunted ship. Exactly. So they go out there and one thing that I do like about this movie, and there are multiple credits for underwater camera operators, the trailer actually looks pretty damn good. No, it's not movie looks good, but the underwater work that they're doing actually looks pretty good. It's very good. That's the thing is they didn't just use like a light tank with some fog to simulate water. You know what I mean? There's ways to fake it that a lot of people, especially we don't have money, but I think what they did was all the budget really went into that, which is smart because that's where most of the movie is. So instead of spending it on, you know, higher budgeted actors and other things, they put it into, okay, we're going to be shooting underwater. So we need to have that look right and then we have to be able to have people who know how to operate stuff under water. All that stuff looks really good. Not to mention I'm relatively sure that most of the scenes are the actors in scuba gear because they have very distinctive eyes, which I think was a smart casting decision because most of the movie is them in the scuba gear. So then you can't see most of their faces. All you can see is their eyes. Yeah. That's the thing that camera is with a bit, see one of those big face masks so you could see everybody. Well, I mean, the parts with the eyes are very large, but it's really just their eyes, but they're really good. These people are, to their credit, very good at emoting with just their eyes. They're like, it's not, you don't have to rely entirely on like big gestures and voice acting like the eyes do convey it really well. So these are the things that are unusual for a movie like this is I never was confused on who was talking, even though ironically on land, they look very interchangeable in their suits, they look less interchangeable because their eyes are distinctive. So it's weird because they are generic CW people on land, but in the water, you know exactly who each of them is. There's never confusion and they're very good at expressing things without saying anything, which is again, unusual for this movie. Now what is literal, you could pay somebody $5 to write the script is the script like nothing in this movie will surprise you, nothing. It is exactly every step you can guess within one or two things exactly correctly without any problems. It's very simple. Hold on, hold on. So now you know what, I read the description, so this really, I can pretty much tell you what happens in this movie. So hold on, let me say, Lizzie, if I can figure who survives, does generic guy and the girlfriend survive? Yes. And get back together. And have a child. There you go. There you go. Yeah. That's it. That's what I'm saying. So the story beats, if you've ever seen a shark movie, you've seen the movie, like there's nothing. Shark beats you there. Right. The thing, and this, the only, but what I like is the only thing that appears that one is CG is the shark. So this is like, this is a shark attack comfort movie. This is the thing. I was really curious because I went to a couple of professional critic sites that reviewed this movie. A lot of them gave it like the middle rating. No, you know, there weren't any that really said it was terrible. A lot of them just said it's very generic in terms of story, which is absolutely true. But everyone compares it to Jaws. And that is the biggest problem I think we have with shark movies is unlike so many movies. Okay. I watch Jaws not that long ago, and I realized something interesting about the Jaws. The first Jaws movie is not like any other shark movie that you make anymore, however, the rest of the Jaws movies are like every other damn. But they only have a compare it to the first one, which is not, yeah, which is the thing that there are none of these shark movies are like Jaws. The first Jaws shark movie, right? The shark is barely in it. It's presence is the thing that scares the fuck out of you. And yeah, it does show up at the end. But like until that thing jumps up on the boat, you don't ever really get a killer look at it. No. But it did. And it's the human interaction and the tension that makes that movie. Right. And the thing is the chances that you will ever get another shark film because we can't say they will that somebody will never attempt to make one like that again. But it's so, no, no, but I tell you, I tell you it predator is more like Jaws than other shark movies. I agree. No, no, no, I'm with you. But what I'm saying is even the professionals fall into this trap of comparing it to Jaws. And number one, that's not fair. It's not just it's like Jaws two or Jaws three or Jaws four. The revenge. Well, I think there was one review that said that this movie was what Jaws three should have been, which is I sort of get, except I mean, I don't know if that's a compliment. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think I think it was meant to be is that yes, this is better than Jaws three, which looks like you're like, man, you're movie, you're movie's pretty good. This is what Robocop three should have been. Right. Yeah, that's that's a little trickier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Although, you know, the slight diversion for all the shit that Jaws three gets that in the scene where it's swimming up to the glass and you realize it's going to just come through the glass and that they've made a tremendous mistake by having their control tower underneath the water. Yeah. Right. Right. So Jaws, I'm going to get this straight. My answer Jaws two is basically when they go back to the beach with Rochnider, the electric rotor in there. Yes. It burns the face of it when the woman blows herself up and then they electrify. Yes. That's two. Yeah. Okay. So there's that one. And then the third one is in SeaWorld. SeaWorld. I actually give them credit. No, I do too. I do too. The third one does go in and if you're and that's what it's a predator to move where they're like, okay, we can't just redo the jungle. Yeah. See world and there's the fucking the dolphins and that's a great place to have a shark going crazy is out of sea park. It's and actually I so I got to say I do enjoy two and three and four has its charm for being so. Got you insane. Yeah, I mean, like the plane and Maribun people's and like his torture device and the fact that the shark is actually now pissed off and after the Brody's. Yeah. Like it's like it's psychically knows where they fucking are. Yes. It's following her. The shark is following me. Yeah, you know, like they made they made a stalker shark. They made they made the shark be her ex that can't get. You can't let it go. Yeah. It's great. It's great. But yeah. Sorry. What I'm saying is just three for all its faults. That end thing where it comes up to them when you see it when they realize it's swimming towards them. Oh, wait. Isn't it? Dennis Wade and Lewis Gossack Jr. Yeah. Jesus Christ. You know what? Jeez, you know what? You're making me want to watch that one again. You should watch it. It's not a bad movie. And Orca. I got to say, Orca is a really great orca is a really good movie. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Orca is closer to Jaws than any of the sequels are to Jaws. Oh, I agree. I think Orca's got a thing on Orca and Jaws. If you want to watch two movies that are like when sea life goes bad, Orca and Jaws are two good movies to watch. Yeah. I like Orca quite a bit. But the second they gave Jaws to Jaws, he's hunting our family. You're like, "Okay." Well, that's the other reason I like three is because, yes, there's a Brody involved, but accidentally. He just happens to work at the sea park. It doesn't care that he's there. Yeah. I've been through this before, as opposed to two, where suddenly it comes back to the same beach. It's like, "Okay, wait a minute." Well, actually, see, I don't have a problem with another shark showing up at that beach because if it's a proven hunting ground, and there's three there, it's really a lesser retread in the first movie. Oh, it is. It is. Yeah. Whereas three-- But listen, they electrocuted it instead of blowing it up again. No, I do like that. But in three-- But three is different. You actually side with the shark because they killed its child. So it has that orcas similarity. Remember, they take that one into the captivity and it dies in the beginning? And then they realize the mother's coming in there because they killed-- like that makes sense. I mean, it's-- look, it's a bonkers film. But it has its own logic that I can follow, and there are good moments in it. Yeah. Anyone that's talking about jokes. I'm really surprised they haven't done more orca movies. Because orcas-- I do too. That is weird. There's so much scarier than-- Yeah. Yeah. There are white sharks. The first third is why are great whites showing up destroyed? What can kill a great white? Oh, haven't you? Don't you know? Orcas are worse? Everything's great whites are the worst. But orcas are worse. Hold on. There is a series. What is it? Is it on Netflix? Or is it on Disney? I think it's on Disney. It's called Queens. And it's about basically like the female of species and like, you know, and it's all-- Oh, yeah. Oh, but that's really good. And it's narrated by Angela Bassett, which is fantastic because Angela Bassett is-- Oh, that's a brilliant piece of casting. Oh, yeah. Because she's fantastic. So in there, one of the episodes talks about this grandmother leading a pod of killer whales, right? And you know, at first, you're like, oh, she loves her family and she loves her kids and you're like, OK. And you know that you see them hunting and you're like, OK. But so far, you know, there's a wholesomeness to it, right? And then they meet another pod. And she really-- the grandmother wants one of her male-- I used the one male child to mate with this other pod because that's one of the things they do. That's how these pods expand. She wants to basically send her son off to mate and start kind of its own thing. But the female on the other side already has a little baby, right? And that whale, that killer whale won't mate if she's still weaning that child. So what the mother grandmother does is her and the son, and I think maybe one other sister, decide while they're there and they're kind of hanging out with other pod. They're going to play with the child. And what they do is they drown them. They go over and they play. And at first, they're playing kind of nice and none of the other whales think anything of it. And then they on purpose beat the shit out of it and fucking drown the child. So that, "Oh, now you don't have a child. Now you can mate with my son." And watching them do this, I was like, "Holy shit." I was like, "You're doing this to your own fucking people. I can't imagine what you're going to do to ours." And that's the thing is that whenever we see those videos where like a kayaker is going by the shore and all of a sudden a bunch of killer whales pop their heads out. And they're like, "Oh my God, look at these beautiful whales." I thought Wipe is always the next to me going, "He's going to die." Like, yeah, because it would take them nothing to come up, grab that little boat, kind of fling you around. I mean, you saw the whole thing with how they flipped little icebergs to knock the seals over so they can eat them. That's crazy. I mean, this is the thing. In the realm of, and the bite force, oh yeah, so the, oh man, what is it, the bite force of a killer whale can like crush a car or something ridiculous like that. Like, you know how like a, like a, like a, like a rottweiler has like 12,000 pounds or something like that of, of bite force or something like that, what is it? The bite force of a killer whale is something it blows every other man animal out of the water. See, bite force. Here it is. 19,000 PSI. Yeah. As opposed to. A great wife is fourth ass. Yeah. Oh my. That's what I mean. Like it's not even like a small jump. That's a fucking huge jump, the dog, the kangal, which is the highest one is 743. Yeah. Yes. That means you look at it and you're like, Oh, wow. Yeah. So I find today killer whales to be so much more frightening than great white sharks. And I don't know why they don't make more of them because great white sharks just show up and eat. But killer whales are thinking about what they're doing. They're intelligent, you know, so anyway, I totally derailed your movie review. Don't watch Orca. It's fantastic. It's like Jaws, except in Orca. They don't win. Do they? Uh, well, they both die. Remember? They both die both, um, um, both what's the guy? What's the name? Harris, Richard Harris. Yeah. Richard Harris does live. Yeah. Yeah. Richard Harris and the Orca die simultaneously. Yeah. And it makes sense because at that point, they both deserve to die. But you know, when I was younger and I watched that movie and there's that scene where he bites through the cast on that woman's leg, which is horrifying. Um, when I was younger, I was like, can he really bite through that? And then after I learned that fact about the bite force, I was like, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He could have bit through the house. Just bites out my house off. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. So there's sharks in the submarine. Go on. Yeah. So, but well, this is the thing for a long time. The sharks aren't even a factor, uh, and you don't even know there's more than one. So they go down and the, uh, CW guy is very clear about he's saying, okay, here's how we have to do this. We have to stay together. We're going to use a guideline and we, we're going to go until everybody is at two thirds air and then we are leaving. That's the safe. Oh, cause you had, you had, they have to decompress. Yeah, they have to do a safety stop and even though they completely ignore that later and it doesn't matter, but they, it becomes a plot point when it needs to be. But that is the reason, like all of his reasoning, I mean, I don't scuba dive, but it all makes sense. Yeah. You, depending on how deep it is, yeah, you have to decompress coming back up. Well, yeah, I mean, they're out in the ocean and they're going to the ocean floor because the ship is buried. They have to go under the ocean floor into the ship. So it's pretty far down as far as I can tell. Yeah. Yeah. So he's saying all these things is the rules. And then, you know, the, the, the asshole rich guys like, well, let's, let's just go look in this room and then we'll turn around. So they go in there and, you know, they're looking around and they find an air pocket and they're kind of, you know, they're breathing the air there and they're kind of talking for a bit. Oh, is there, is there an air bubble? Well, there's several air pockets from where the ship's sick. So interesting. Yeah. And, you know, so they, he's like, well, you know, it's, cause the one, one thing I like is somebody said, well, wait a minute, can we actually breathe this or is there a problem because it's been down here so long. And the guy's like, well, air's air, it may, it's not smell great, but it should still be air. At least they said that. It sure doesn't smell great. Yeah. Right. And so they're talking for, and he's like, all right. Now we have to head back because, you know, he realizes that the, the timid girl is breathing too rapidly and she's depleting her air because he's saying you have to breathe slowly. And he can tell that she's kind of freaked out that she's not really comfortable. So he's, he's aware that she, her air has to be lower. And so he has her chicken. Sure enough, it is. It's not dangerous. He's like, okay. Time to go. We have to go. We have to go back. And so they're starting to head back and the, the stoner guy, um, no, who cuts? Somebody cuts up something and then a shark shows up and bites the leg of the stoner guy. Oh, so somebody, somebody, somebody has blood in the water. Yeah. So it's, you know, so then the shark shows up, bites him. Because they see this at one point. There's like a shadow that goes across and they're like, what the hell was that? And the CW guy's like, well, there's probably a cloud or something because there's no sharks around here. At least none that I've ever heard of. So he doesn't think it's sharks. He thinks it's a cloud that went across the sun. And amazingly of everybody, the rich guy is the one person who's like, I don't think that's a cloud. That's not what a cloud looks like, but he kind of keeps his mouth shut and just sort of says it to himself. He's like, I don't think that was a cloud. So then it bites the guy and cuts his femoral artery. So they have, they dragged him back to the air pocket and it happens to be in a medical base. So the Dr. X is like searching for stuff and they've tried to put a tourniquet on it and the tourniquet keeps slipping off because he's freaking out and he won't hold still. And you know, and so there's all this blood, of course, now the shark is like hanging around. And then there's a point where she's like, I have to, I have to clamp this artery or he's going to die. It's that's a major artery. I've got to get a clamp. I'm going to have to hold him down. And so she's trying to find a clamp and she's true. And she gives him not morphine, but some World War II acquittal and I don't remember what it was called to make it less painful. And then CW, my morphine though, morphine is what they used to work for too. Well, it wasn't, it wasn't called that it was something in, but it wasn't morphine. It had a different name. Maybe there was different name from the stuff they put on chips. I don't know. Yeah, whatever. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Whatever painkiller. And so then he's like, he's starting to go like, okay, yeah, it doesn't hurt as much in there. He's always still in the CW guy. And I like there's little things like this where I'm like, okay, this, these are little nice touches. He goes, Oh, look, he's not bleeding as much. That's good. Right? And she's like, no, that means he's running out of blood. We have to get this stopped or he's going to die. Like it is a thing though, if you're not a doctor and you think maybe something that it's like clotting or something, it would be a reaction to go, okay, there's not as much blood. No, he's okay now. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe this isn't this bad. She's like, no, that's worse. And so she tries to get a clamp on it. And because of the water, because they can't get them high enough that he's out of the water, she can't get a grip and she can't clamp it and he dies. He just bleeds out. So he doesn't die. I mean, by shark attack directly, he dies because he bleeds out because she can't operate properly under water because she's never done it. So he dies. And then they're sitting there and they see that the shark is just kind of orbiting. And the rich guy, because the CW guy's like, all right, well, I don't, I don't know how to get us out of here because that shark smells all this blood in the water because at one point the timber girl says, well, sharks don't have noses, right? And he's like, no, they do. And they have ears too. Because she says they don't have ears do things like, no, they do. Just not ears like us, basically. And so he knows the shark won't leave and the rich guy says, I'll say it because I know you won't. We need to push this body out there and let him take it, which is fucking vicious, but he's right. And that's what the CW guy was thinking. So they shoved the body of this guy who just died out and they wait for the shark to take it and then they make a run for it. And the, I mean, it's, it's, and then it bites through the fucking guidelines. So now they, he thinks he knows how to get them out, but he's not really sure. At which point they realize there's more than one shark. So now it's not just the one, now they're kind of all over the place. So they find their way into another, another room, but none of them are bleeding, right? Well the girl, the timid girl cuts her leg, not badly, but she cuts her leg, she's leaving a, she's, she's leaving a trail now. Yeah. Plus now she's even more freaked out. So now she's sucking up all of her oxygen. So they get into this room and they realize she doesn't have enough air to get out. Right. Well, then they, but didn't they keep the tank for the guy that they rolled out to the shark? Well, no, they didn't, but the guy thinks of that. He's like, okay, we should have taken the tank off of it, but he wasn't thinking about that because he thought if the one shark was taking, was distracting, went, they could get out. He didn't realize there were more. So then they're in this room and he's like, you have to stay here. You have to stay here. But go and get that tank and I'm going to bring it back. And so he goes to do it and he's trying to get to the tank at which point another shark shows up. So he has to run back and he's like, shit, he's like, I don't know if I can get us out, but I figured out we only have to go up like two levels. I saw light. So if we can get out, but I, you know, I'm going to have to try to figure out somewhere around. Yeah, but why don't you just be in open water at that point? Well, well, that, that will be the problem after this, but they're just like, well, we have to get out of here because we're basically in open water, they have a chance to get to the boat. In this place, they're just going to run out of air. So, so the girl's like, well, I just don't want, and she gets a wish. She's like, well, I just, I don't, I don't want to asphyxiate. He's like, don't worry. I'm not going to let you asphyxiate, which in fairness, he doesn't. She does not asphyxiate. So he figures out that, okay, I'll distract them and the two of you make a run for it. Like this is where you have to go. I'll make a bunch of noise. I'll bring them to me and I'll get you out. So he starts to do that. How smart are these sharks? Well, they're not, they're not super smart, but they're not dumb either. You know, they're not, they're not deep blue sea sharks. So he's making noise and he does attract the one. The problem is he attracts that one faster than he thought. So he does manage to distract it. But then as they're trying to get out, the girl gets eaten, the timid girl gets eaten. So she's all done. So then they, he and the ex managed to pair back up and he says, okay, he's like, I'm going to try to get up to the boat and get the boat over here and see if we can get like a spear gun or something to be able to get these things. And so he tries to make a run for it and he gets bit on the arm so now he's bleeding. So she has to get him and then, you know, they're, now they finally, because the radio wasn't working. So they finally get close to something in the radio range and they're like, hey man, we're fucked. Oh, it's just the two of them at this point. Everybody else is dead. Oh, there's the rich guy. Oh, I'm sorry. The rich guy gets out and almost gets to the boat. He gets to the water and he starts yelling to Julian Sands and Julian says, he's like, look out at which point the rich guy gets killed. And then they're on the radio and he's like, yeah, I figured it out. You guys are in some trouble. There's sharks. And like, yeah, there's a bunch of them down here. He's like, okay, he's like, here's what you're going to do. He's like, I'm going to try to distract them by making noise up here. If I can get them to come out and then you guys can escape and get up here and I will, I'll get the boat over where you are. How many sharks are there out of curiosity? They ever should give you like kind of a, as far as I can tell, they're probably five. Because the thing is like, there's enough dead people around. You'd think that they'd be fucking hungry. Wouldn't it be funny if they'd be ended because they just got their fill? Well, that's the thing is they sort of are banking on that because there was a point where the CW guy says, well, I think they're probably not as intent on us right now because they've gotten a couple of bodies. So he's like, I think we can make it out. And so they're on their way out and I'm trying to remember her. I'm glad they thought about that. Oh, so CW guy and the ex separate, and he's trying to get out which point he sees a shark is coming for him, but there's one more that he hasn't seen. So he takes his air tank and turns it into a missile by breaking off the end and firing it into the fucking shark's mouth. But of course now he has no air tank. So now he goes to the air pocket and he's like, shit, now I'm screwed. So then he says, well, I'm going to try to go get that because there's another dead person's air tank. So he goes to get that one. And I think that's when he gets bitten on the hand or the arm and trying to remember. But in any event, it ends up with the two of them getting out. And now they're in open water, but now the sharks are all over the place. At which point, you see that Julian Sands dives in because the one is coming for the X and he basically swims in front of her and gets eaten. And then the X manages to drag CW guy on the way. Do they ever set him up to be like a heroic character? Well, I mean, he's a nice guy. Yeah. Well, yeah, sort of because he and the dog, he and the X, the doctor, like she recognizes what he's doing with the sewing needle and stuff like that. And you know, so yeah, they have like a nice little conversation and they do have a thing where he talks about the fact that, you know, I don't dive anymore, but I've still got my red suit with me, you know, just in case I ever need to use it. So of course it's, you know, check out the wetsuit. And so that's what happens is he goes down, yeah, it's a red shirt thing. So he goes down and he saves the X because, you know, the CW guy loves zero. So it's kind of one of these things where the CW guy was always really good to him. So it's, you know, it's heroic for the old character. Okay. And then the next thing is it cuts forward in time and you see that they're still driving the old boat, but they've fixed it up a little bit. And they have their kid with them and accepted it cuts out and they're just, they're cruising with this boat in, you know, right off of New York City. And that's the end of the movie. I don't know why they're trolling around New York City, but they're in that boat in New York, which is where she wanted to be a doctor. So I guess it's, this is as close as he gets to diving in New York. They found the middle ground. I sure, sure. It doesn't matter. I know, or maybe, you know what, this is as close as they want to get to diving because after their experience, listen, if you survived that, would you go back in the water? No, no, no, look, I'm not, I'm not necessarily all that upset about the ending. But it just kind of comes out of nowhere because the ending is almost unimportant, unimportant, to survive. That's it. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So, and that's the movie. It's a simple movie. There's, there is nothing new here story-wise, but I appreciate a movie where they obviously filmed a lot of it underwater, even if it wasn't a swimming. I'm sure it wasn't a pool or a tank, which probably just built the sets, but still they made the effort that the actors appear to be in the swims, the scuba suits a lot, except for dangerous stuff. They didn't say there were stunt people, but like I said, you see their faces and they have distinctive faces. So I'm pretty sure unless they found exceptionally accurate doubles, which maybe they did, but then that makes them good actors too, but it's, it's, it looks really good and a lot of it is underwater. The majority of it. I'm reading about, I'm reading really quickly about how they made it. Um, hold on, there's a really good article on DiverNet apparently. Oh, that makes sense. I'm looking to see the, it's the same where they filmed it. Oh, Jesus Christ, yeah, there's a whole thing. They filmed it in a facility that's, uh, that's kind of, they're filming it, they just had, it was, I just saw it. Took a while, but we shot it up at Fort Williams at the now closed underwater center. And the tank was about four, is it four meters deep? Four M deep. So it was a quite, it was quite a challenge to make it look as if it was a hundred, as four meters deep. It was a quite a challenge to make it look as if it was a hundred meters underwater. Get the camera angles right and not catch the surface. Erica Swedish guy at the center did an amazing job on that. I totally buy into being at the bottom of the sea there. Yeah. Yeah, we had choice between going to a dive facility and an underwater studio and it made much more sense to go somewhere where we had the dive expertise. The guys at the underwater center were 100% on top of their stuff and totally supportive. Then the national hyperbaric center just outside Aberdeen was a real gift for us because they had all the sort of bells set up there. It's slightly bigger because there's no way we could have shot what we did inside a normal size bell. Oh, interesting. Yeah, there's a whole article or I accidentally to you. It's on, um, divernet, how we made last breath and it's all about how they filmed it, where they filmed it and it was all underwater. Yeah. Well, and that's what I'm saying is they probably put a lot of the money to that and I think it was because again, you know, they could have just done like, fakery. They could have done CGI backgrounds and sets and everything and, you know, whatever. But instead a lot of them do that now, like, you know, in Lord of the Rings when, um, when Sam Wise is underwater and, and Frodo reaches for him in the fellowship, he's not underwater. Like the whole thing is CG, they put like, uh, uh, fans on him and then CG to make a look at water. Yeah. They do like light tanks where they have a little light and they just kind of do this like light kind of stuff that moves around there and it fakes it. That's what I'm saying is they, and in this, it's very clear they didn't because you like the bubbles and all that. Yeah, I'll read that. Yeah. I said that to you in case you're curious. One of the things about the movie that puts it a little bit above. I mean, the problem is the story is going to be as thread bearer story as possible. But the movie is entertaining because you realize that it's me. Yeah, it feels like to me and this is a really weird comparison. It feels very John Wick and let me give you my reasoning. John Wick was made by two stunt guys, right? And they wanted the whole movie to be basically like a stunt, you know, a stunt movie, right? So John Wick, he's not a movie heavy on plot. It's an action movie, right? This is a movie where it's a bunch of divers underwater with sharks and shit like that. And it sounds like they wanted to show off how they can basically be filming it underwater. So in that respect, yes, the plot is simple, but what they're showing off is their ability to film the whole thing convincingly underwater. So that's kind of my mind, like I look at this and I think, yeah, it's kind of like the guys who made John Wick in that respect. I was like, these guys, you always want someone to come to them and say, hey, we really like how you film that. Here's a real story. Now film this underwater, you know, or somebody to come up with a bit of a better story, but use these people and and yeah, because I think that's what I mean is there the thing that we often complain about, and it is true of the sharks because the sharks are very clearly CG. But the, you know, the problem with a lot of the ways that lower budget films employ computer graphics is none of it feels, it doesn't have any weight, it doesn't have any reality. You know, it shouldn't, it shouldn't even have been sharks. It should have been fucking like World War II zombies, MERS zombies. I, you know what, I don't, they could have done it. But I think the problem is once they went into the sharks, there's a whole 20 to 25 minutes where the real tension is that they're starting to panic and he's starting to wonder if he's going to be able to get them out because of the air problem and the one hand, the asshole keeps saying, well, let's just go a little further, let's just go a little further. And the timid girl is clearly beginning to panic. And so there's a middle part where there are no sharks, but it's like, okay, I, I, this is the reason he didn't want to bring fuck for other people. He wanted to be one person, you could throw one person. Yes. And that is actually, you could do a whole movie around people becoming trapped by bad decisions. Yes. Instead of the sharks, it could have been a storm where they're trapped. Oh, geez. I was like, shit. Every, every cave diving horror that you hear about is usually some kind of just, yes, either a bad decision or honest mistake. That's in that, in that with the, the practicality of the underwater effects would have made a very good movie. So yes, the sharks are sort of, I think that's the gimmick to get people to watch it. But are they necessary? No, you probably could have done it without them. So yes, the sharks are, to some degree, just extras. They're not really, they're generic, they're a generic villain now, you know, yes, I would agree with that. Yeah. And the problem is, and the problem is we know enough, the public knows enough about sharks from the constant shark weeks that like, they aren't even very good villains anymore. Yeah. No, they're not like you kind of need something else at this point. Yes. And so that's makes something else scary, but I think the movie is, I think it's between its good and bad parts, there are more good parts. And I do appreciate the fact that it was filmed underwater. And they did make it look very good. So, and Julian Sands didn't have any underwater scenes, did he? I mean, maybe that was him swimming, but I doubt it because he's in scuba gear. He got out of all of it, then. Yeah, it's funny. I would guess that wasn't him. It's such a brief scene anyway, it's not really close up. So you know, he just gets eaten by a shark. So I don't know that he really needed to get into the water. That's funny. I think he was probably like, how much you're going to pay me how much to sit around in a chair and knit. All right. I'll do it. Why not? But like I said, you know, if you like shark movies, this is definitely better than a lot of the other crap that gets churned out all the time. You know, there's a lot of bargain basement. Well, it sounds like there are some intelligence to decisions made. It's just that they then fell back on generic shark attack. Yeah. Like I said, the decision was, do we spend a bunch of money on a scriptwriter or do we spend a bunch of money on underwater expertise? And they made the right decision in the two of those things. Because you can have the best story in the world, but if everything looks like you're filming in a kiddie pool out back of your, you know, your house, that's not going to be enough. And that's, and that's trying to find the middle. Listen, abyss, abyss is one of the greatest underwater movies ever filmed. And it's because James Cameron is insane and loves being underwater. And like the documentary on how they filmed that movie is almost as interesting as that movie. Yeah. Like the fact that he just put the, yeah, he built an entire like underwater fucking station in a giant, like oil refinery, right? The giant order finder. And then they put black beads across the top. And people were just in the damn thing, you know? Jesus. No, I agree that documentary is every bit as good as the movie because it's the reality of what they went through, which is not fun. Yeah. Yeah. So. So last breath. Yeah. Like shark movies, I would say for seven bucks. I felt that was a fair price for it for the amount of entertainment I got. And it was actually a little better than I thought it would be. So. Yeah. Julian stands for a last role. At least he got to be. You know what? It sounds like it has far more intelligence going on than a lot of these movies made. I absolutely agree. At the very least, they spent their money wisely. Yeah. Which is not something a lot of these low budget films often do. In fact, a lot of them get like a gimmick celebrity person for three days and look clear. That's where all the money went. Elo Cooljays in this. Yeah. Yeah. And the dick. Everybody TVs and the dick. Boy. So I followed that up within an hour of us recording this. No, exactly. I mean, with what can only be described as the opposite of this movie, which is a film from 1967 titled wavelength, which has been described as the most experimental avant-garde film ever made. Now I don't know that I necessarily agree with that, but it's certainly an arguable point. So this is a Canadian avant-garde film that is literally, here's the entire, the synopsis on Wikipedia. What is it? 1967. The Wikipedia synopsis is way more complex than it needs to be. The whole movie is a lockdown camera shot of an empty apartment that, over the course of 45 minutes, zooms in to a picture on the opposite wall of ocean waves. That's it. What happens in between that, and that is really all it is, is it's not just a steady zoom. It was filmed apparently over about a week in somewhere in Canada. I don't even know if they know where it was. Maybe they do. I didn't even bottle look it up. So it's not just zooming in constantly over 45 minutes. What they do is, or what the filmmaker did is he stampers with the actual film throughout it. There's people that do show up, but they don't really seem to have any point. Literally, I think there are five total people, two women who wander in and out. The first one wanders in with a set of guys who are moving a dresser, and then they leave, and they don't come back. The woman comes back with another woman and they sit there and listen to the radio for about five minutes, and then they leave. Then, oh, past the halfway point, a guy wanders in looking kind of drunk and just lays down the floor, and then the camera zooms past him, so for a while you don't even know if he's still there or what. Then a woman shows up and says, "There's a guy on the floor. I think he's dead," and she's like, "I'll wait for you outside," and she leaves. None of that matters. I don't even know why it's there. I don't know. There's never enough of a story for any of that stuff to matter. The soundtrack starts off, whereas this low hum, to the point where I actually thought that the person in the house behind us was running their power washer, but I had to pause the movie to get up and I realized the hum stopped. So I went, "Oh, no, that's the movie." And that hum slowly goes from a low bass to this high keening sound by the end of the movie, which I did turn it down because it did begin to aggravate me. But I'm sure it was obviously on purpose, and it was all the way up there by the time it zooms another picture. And day/night changes, there's points where he inverts the film, it polarizes, there's like double exposure on it, there's points where it goes white or black, there's parts where the contrast goes way up and way down. And there's this strange thing, because I knew what this movie was, at least on the surface. I knew it was a 45-minute zoom in. I'm like, "Okay, got it. I know what this is." So I made a very intentional decision not to look at my phone, not to get distracted. The only reason I had to stop it was to go to the bathroom and to take my dog out to the bathroom. That was it. But outside of that, I didn't look at anything. I just sat there and I just kind of watched it. And it does start to mess with you, because it is so singular in what it's doing. Whether you know what it is or not, you realize very quickly, "Okay, no, this is not going to do anything else. This is just this." And there were points where the movie felt like it was speeding up and slowing down. But I was keeping track of the dresser, so I knew it really wasn't speeding up and slowing down the way that I thought it was. It was just that you start kind of getting lost in the image. And there were points where, like when it was at night, I was looking outside the window and I was like, "Is there something there? Are they superimposing something?" Because there's a point where there was these two red dots and I thought, "Is that supposed to be a monster or a creature?" And then I think it was just that the window was warped, because it's in a city. It's overlooking like storefronts. And then there were points where I thought I saw a face and I don't know whether there was a face or not. There might have been. That was, you know, so was it a superimposing or was it just shapes that looked like a face to me? And the windows weren't really clear. They were kind of warped. So there was points where I couldn't read what the storefronts were and there was a point where I could. And you know, then there was, I wasn't sure whether it had gone to still images at one point, but then I saw car lights. So I was looking for all these telltale signs of, "Okay, have they frozen the image?" There's points where it kind of zooms in and then zooms out for a second and then zooms back in where you can't really tell how much it zoomed in. So you start to lose track of the zooming, because I was really on top of it for like the first 10 minutes. You notice every little movement because don't forget, 67, this is not computer control. This is somebody manually adjusting. So there are points where I was like, are they just adjusting the focus or are they actually zooming now? So there's all this stuff, even though this movie is really nothing, there's nothing happening. But because you are aware of this subtle movement with all of this weird tampering of the film, some which I think was in camera and some that was clearly done post-process, it starts messing with your ability to have a grip on what you're watching. And the soundtrack with that sound changing from that low bass to that high kind of screeching sound, not really screeching, but close to that, where it almost sounds like a motor that's being over driven. I hate to describe it at this, but it's almost like ambient filmmaking. I actually had a thought that this could work if you muted it as a meditation exercise. Because you zero once you realize that the center point is that picture, you keep coming back to it because you don't know what it is at first. It's too far away and because this is a '60s film, it's not like an 8K. So you can't tell what it is, it's just a little black square. If you go to the wiki page, it actually shows the opening shot where it's the most zoomed out. And you see the two women that are sitting there listening to the radio. So that's about the most zoomed out it is. And if you look, you can't see what that picture is. And so, but you quickly understand that that's what it's going towards. And so the fact that you have to kind of look at it and keep looking at it, you keep coming back to it, it does start to do something to you. So it is, I don't know what I would describe it as, I mean, it's our art film. Oh, here it is. It was filmed at 300 Canal Street in, where is this? Where was this shot? I mean, I don't know what it was in Canada, but where in Canada? It doesn't have a city. No, it doesn't say what city it was in. That's really weird. It just says Canada. And it's got a street name, but it doesn't say what city it was. So I don't know. Canal Street. Canal Street. Oh, no, wait. This is Manhattan. Okay. I thought this was New York. Shit. So it's just a Canadian filmmaker, but this is Manhattan. This is New York. All right. I thought so. But I know they double Vancouver for New York. Like, no, this was actually, this was shot in Manhattan. Okay. Good. I was, I was sure this felt like New York, but of course I always think everything is New York when it's a city because I'm just like, oh, it's New York. Of course it's New York. All right. New York. So that's where, so it's in Manhattan. Okay. So like I said, there is this meditative thing to it where again, I started to kind of lose track of time within the movie, not within the real world. I knew where it was and everything, but it started warping as far as how fast or slow things were happening. And then it just starts doing all this weird. And then when there's the stuff happening with the messing with the film, that starts like resetting where you are. It's weird. Yes. It definitely has some kind of effect. And I would imagine it would be a different thing for anybody who watched it. Having said that, I doubt many people in the entire planet would ever make it through this whole movie. What do they mean? What it was or not? 45. It's 45 minutes, right? It's 45 minutes of this camera zooming in. That's it. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that you can actually see a sped up version of it on YouTube. Yeah. But honestly, part of it is probably the slow. Oh, yeah. There are several, several YouTube versions of it, including one that describes it as the worst movie ever made, which, you know, I would imagine some people would see it that way. Oh, it's not a traditionally narrative movie. It is a piece of art filmmaking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the credits are probably less than one second on the whole film. But yeah. I mean, if you watch it, if you watch it like two times, so interestingly, I'm looking at the IMDB for this. This is a segue out. So are you done with your review? Yeah. That's all I can review. It's an interesting, it's an interesting little kind of art experiment. But yeah, it's, it's a cinematic experiment, really, but it is. But I was looking at that. You know how sometimes I end to be like, if you like this, you'll like this. Oh, God. What does it suggest? No, actually it, it, it linked me to a movie that I forgot that I watched. It's really good movie. Have you ever seen the movie Off Limits with Gregory Hines and Wilma Defoe? Yeah, that, huh. Where? Interesting. I don't know why it linked to that, but it linked to that for me. And I mean, for anyone who hasn't seen this, this is a movie, was it made in 1988? It's rated R, 1988, moving off limits, it's a young Wilma Defoe with Gregory Hines. They are cops, they are playing closed police officers in basically Vietnam and Saigon. And they are, they realize that they are on the trail of a serial killer. But in the middle of like war time Saigon, such a good movie, I, I, I, I had forgotten this movie. But when I just saw it now, I was like, oh man, I saw it, it was fantastic. I don't know how they would make that jump. I mean... Yeah, weird, right? The, the... I'm glad it did though, because I mean, yeah, this is a, was it Wilma Defoe, Gregory Hines, Scotland, Keith David, I mean Fred Ward, this movie had a great cast. Yeah, I mean, the, the movie I would most closely associated to would be waxwork on the discovery of television among the bees, which is not a movie most people probably seen either. I don't know why it would put that on there, but for some reason it linked me to this. Well, you know, it's put me in the mood, do you want to see it again? Look at that. Oh, it's a good movie. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. But yeah, I wonder at the number of movies that we've forgotten at this point, that we've watched that we enjoyed, but that are just gone, because like, it's just so many. Oh, I have memories. There are, there are movies I think of, and I will never find what they are, that I know I saw and liked when I was younger, and I don't know if I would still, but I can remember images from them, and there's no way for me to locate them, because I don't know who the people are. I just remember fragments of them. And I know I've, I know I've never seen them again. Yeah, it was off limits. I recognize this movie right away, because it's the scene William Defoe is questioning a, I think it's one of the Vietnamese, like, like officers, and the, a bunch of the cops come running behind them to stop them. And Gregory Hines turns around, and I see turns around, he pulls two guns out on them. And I just remember that when I was a kid, and being like, oh, man, Gregory has this cool story. Gregory Hines is one of those funny actors, man. What happened to him? Like, is he still around? Like, I think he died. I think he's dead. He, he, he was. Did he die? He died. He died in '03. Really? Yeah. Gregory Hines is one of these weird actors that really dominated part of my youth. No. I mean, I, I, I, even destruction, that's one of my, I love him and even destruction. What do you call it? White, there's, is it? Oh, what is it called? Oh, no, White Knights. White Knights. White Knights. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Billy Crystal. Yes. I love that movie growing up. Oh, yeah. Um, what's the other one? There's, there's a, oh, and, uh, yeah. White Knights. Running scared. Running scared. That's the one with Billy Crystal. White Knights is the one with, uh, Britishnikov, right? Correct. Yes. I think you think it's, well, whoever, Russian dancer, yes, is White Knights. Yeah, Russian dancer. Yeah, that's a great movie. So, yeah, there was a period of my youth where I watched a lot of movies with him in them. And then it's, he just kind of. Well, he, he did movies, but then he did a lot of TV. I know he went to TV because, you know, he was a trained dancer. Oh, he was in Wolfen. I, I was forgetting he was in Wolfen. Yes. That's right. Yeah. It's one of his earliest movies too. Yeah, so this is funny. Ah, running scared. Man, he made, he made. He made some good moves. Really? No, this is a interesting trajectory. He did White Knights in '85, running scared in '86, off limits in '88. Yeah. Well, then he did tap. Oh, I forgot tap. Cotton Club? I've never seen it, but I've heard it's good. Tap is '89. And then you said even destruction is. Destruction is '91. That's a later one. '91. Yeah. You know what? I don't, have I seen even destruction? Oh, I'm sure you have. You know, remember that where the, the female android who goes crazy? It's, it's like a post-apocalypse. Oh, and he's got that really cool gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's, listen, that's a fun flick. It's a fun flick. I think at some point, me and Len are going to do that on his program. Because that movie gets, gets overlooked and it's, it's, it's in the same vein as like, a split second. We were just talking about that. I know what that's what I mean. It's like, yeah, it's funny, these actors that, that, you know, they cast a shadow over part of your youth because they were so prevalent, you know, and, and then they, they kind of wander off and then they're just gone and you're like, oh man, yeah, Gregory Hines, you know, Gregory Hines, like Keith David was never a lead actor for me. Like, I haven't seen, I don't remember them. But he was in everything, right? But Gregory Hines was the lead in a lot of stuff. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what happened with him. I don't know if something happened in the background or what? Because he seemed like one of those people who should be a Denzel type. And it never happened. Yeah. Yeah. But he, and, and find out later, it's like the Liba Fiorentino thing where she got vaporized because she was married to a scumbag or something and had to testify against them in court or some shit. And that's why she just dropped off the planet. Well, I mean, he was working. I mean, he was working right up into 2004 when he died. Yeah, but is there, is there a reason he stopped doing a lot of movies? I'm looking to see. Sometimes they have this stuff in the trivia. Sometimes. Anyway, yeah, sorry. Just, I hate to do rail. It's just the whole. It's not much. I mean, I, I said everything I needed about sharply. It's just a, it's just a very, it's for the right people. And that's a very small crowd that will sit there for 45 minutes watching a camera zoom in on a picture. But it doesn't feel like a gimmick fail. It's not like drawing restraint number nine. Oh God. No, that's the worst movie ever. That's what I'm saying. That, that, that's. Was it better? Was it better? Was it better the drawing restraint number nine? Yes, because it started messing with me and not messing with me making me want to stop watching it messing with me like thinking, wow, what am I, what am I seeing here? Because I didn't realize how much tampering with the film there was based on what I read. All the reviews just are all the descriptions just say, oh, it's a long zoom in on a picture frame. So I'm like, okay. I'm going to sit here for 45 minutes and I'm going to watch a camera zoom in on a picture frame. I said a director as stated is intent with the film was for it to be a summation of my nervous system, religious inklings, and aesthetic ideas. Yeah, that's what he said. Okay. Based on that, no, no, I'm just thinking, I got no religion from it. Okay. Maybe that's, but you did see you, you did think you saw a monster at one point in the window. Yeah. I mean, you could, maybe it was supposed to be a demon or I don't, I don't know. Um, I realized that it was, before I realized that it was likely headlight or a tail light reflections on a window because there were cars going by. But in other words, that the nervous system thing, that makes sense because of the sound, the way the sound is used and how it, he messes with like, be careful if you have any type of sensitivity of flashing lights, you know, seriously, like epilepsy stuff, be careful because there are parts where there's a lot of really blue flashes. Have you, do you know this guy's got like a whole bunch of other movies, right? Or they all like this? I don't know. He's got one he made in 2019 called cityscape. Well, I think he's the first one. Cityscape of downtown Toronto is shown through a variety of complex camera movements. Yeah. I, I would watch more of this guy stuff. This, this one just came across because it was described because there was some article about, you know, what are the weirdest kind of and in the comments somebody said, well, I can tell you what the, what the most art house wacko film I ever saw was about a wavelength. I was like, okay. And then when I saw it was 45 minutes, I'm like, oh, well, that's not a terrible amount of time. It's not so much in my life. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so yeah, all the stuff except the religious stuff I could see in the movie without having to, to really dive into it too much because yeah, no, I could see the rest of it. And yeah, maybe, but see, here's the other thing. Somebody who is religious might see something else in this that I don't. That's fun. Yeah, true. That's great. But I thought though, I, I doubt most people would ever watch this. Oh, want to sit through this? Yeah. I mean, if I sat down with my wife, if I told my wife what it was, she wouldn't make it 10 minutes in. If I didn't tell her what it was at five minutes, she'd say, you know, it's the whole movie and it's funny too, it's, it's, it's almost the anticipation because you don't know what's going to happen. Well, there is, that's what I mean about. I really just thought it was going to be a slow zoom in on this picture. Yeah. And so when all this other stuff started happening, then I'm sitting here going. And there was a point where I thought, okay, this is a setup for like a jump scare. And that never came because that's not what the movie is. But because of watching modern films where they use these kind of wall shots with just a low thrum and then something happens. I wonder if he was using a certain wavelength of sound to create something as well. It's called wavelength. It wouldn't shot. Yeah. The dog did sit up and stare at it where she wasn't paying attention. Then like in the middle part, the thing shifted up a bit and suddenly she popped her head up and stared right at the TV and I went, Oh, okay. And that was about where I started to get annoyed with it. So I turned it down a little bit, but for a while she was staring at it. I don't know what that means. Hold on a second. Curious about something now. Yeah. If I want to see if he used a certain sound, let's see, okay, this is from the wiki for the film, soundtracks now initially considered increasing the volume and an extended crescendo. After deciding a glissando would be more suitable, he developed plans to record it on a trombone or violin and mix together multiple takes to fill the duration of the film. Ted Wolf who worked at Bell Labs interested in the project and suggested using an audio oscillator. Wolf worked with Snow to build a motor that controlled the oscillator. Snow had intended to make use of whatever sync sound was recorded during filming but made an exception for the music on the radio. During the original shoot, Joan Bay's cover of Little Drummer Boy was playing, feeling it did not fit well in the film, Snow replaced it with strawberry fields forever, which had just been released when he was editing the film. Oh, interesting, that is fascinating that he changed the song on the radio to something that wasn't even in existence when he filmed it. Snow initially mixed the soundtracks such that the sync sound was on the film's optical soundtrack and the electronic glissando was on the separate reel to reel tape. This would give him the ability to adjust the tape playback based on the acoustics of each screening venue. Interesting. Yeah, no, he's not using any known wavelength to mess with you. Well, the electronic oscillator is an electronic circuit that produces a periodic oscillating or alternating current signal such as a sine wave, square wave, or triangle wave. Oscillators are coming in on devices such as radio receivers, television sets, radios, broadcast transmitters. Oh, yes, they are creating some kind of signal. Yeah. I wonder what kind of signal it was. Well, yeah, I don't know what the signal was. I mean, I'm sure you find out. I'm sure somebody has analyzed it. But it definitely, it seems like what they did was they started on the low end and they just gradually went all the way the other way. Did you feel tense or anything like that towards the end? Did you feel like kind of anxiety? Yeah, but I wouldn't say anxiety. I think though, the thing is by the end, because the sound had gotten high, a lot of horror movies have that thing where it's like the high violins that are just standing and going. Well, there's nothing was happening and that was, it was largely at night in the second half. Okay. So and the bottle is there and you couldn't see it anymore. So it's the body going to come up in dark night, the thing where they use the every time that the joke is around, they use this kind of joker soundtrack and it's that slowly rising. Yes. And it creates it. It's on a wavelength that causes sort of like a sense of tension. So there is that and that's the thing is I don't know if it was so much the I don't know if it was so much the movie doing that all of his movies are on a website that you can watch. Holy crap. Okay. Yeah, look at this. This is all this stuff. Yeah. I will. So I don't know whether it was really that the movie was doing it or is it was the cinematic, the modern cinematic language of horror films has me thinking that because that's what they do now. Yeah. But at the time. Yeah. It's almost like watching a horror movie without the horror element. Yeah. And that's where I actually would be curious to watch it with the sound off. And I think watching with the sound off it would almost be like a transcendental meditation thing where you would become very, very keyed in on that center with a little bit of editing. This would be something that I could see them playing as a way to make you focus to say, ignore everything else that picture is going to get larger focus on the focus on the focus on the focus. Yeah. And think about the picture and it gets larger and you're in a you're in a calm, warm place just focus on the photograph. They're calming waves within the frame that frame is coming closer. Wait for it. Anticipate the waves. They're coming to you now. You are calmly moving to the universe at 60,000 miles per hour. You're okay. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So it is a fascinating movie. Yeah. And I would say if you can stomach experimental stuff, watch it because you can watch it. In fact, I will link to the guys because I think the whole film is there. Isn't it? Let me see. Is his whole film? Is it on there that you can watch? Oh, yeah. Here it is. There's actually a version on his site called wavelength for those who don't have the time. It compresses 10 to 15 minutes, which is very funny. Yeah. So. Shit, I'll wash that over. Drawing was straight. Number nine. You know what? I had forgotten how much I hated that movie. Oh, I. Never forget that. That is the comparison for Oh, God, no, you know, and I'm wondering now have I seen a movie in all the time since we've seen we saw that movie that was as bad as that. Have we ever have? I have never seen a movie that that was that bad. It is just the per it is the low watermark for me. I haven't anything. I will say that I have seen movies that are less visually interesting. I mean, I will watch trash B movies over that any day. I have seen movies that were more boring and that is worse for me, at least drawing restraint had some weird visuals, even if they were pointless. Yeah, I would want to watch it again. But if it was between that and say dark future, which I found to be insulting, I'd watch drawing restraint number nine again. God, you poor bastard. Hopefully. Hopefully. It's been like two or three. That's one. Neither of us are put in that position. No, no, I'd be happier to watch stuff like this where I'm like, okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. Here's a final question for you, right? Sure. Yeah. You die, right? And you realize you're going to hell and you walk into a room and it's an empty theater with no seats. No seats, right? So it's just kind of like a, right? And there's a movie playing for eternity. What movie is playing in hell? This is supposed to be torturing me, right? It's kind of your interpretation. What movie is playing in hell? Well, if it's hell, then it would have to be a movie I don't want to watch. But that's how you interpret it, sure. What movie is playing in hell? And you know what listeners, if you have a, the question is quite simple. You walk into a movie theater in hell, has no seats, right? And there is a movie playing. What movie is it? And give me your rationale. So Joe's immediate rationale is that if there's a movie playing in hell, it should be torture. Right. So that says something about you. Now what is the movie? It would probably be Kuzhou. What do you really? Yes, because Kuzhou to me is one of the most depressing films. Oh, yes. Because this animal which did nothing wrong is being consumed from inside and is going to be killed. And the whole movie is you know that this animal that did nothing wrong was is now going to be killed for being sick. So what's playing in heaven? Ooh, what's playing in heaven? What's playing in heaven? Ooh, that's a good question. What is the hmm? For whatever reason. I think it's true. Your reason. I'm not giving you the reasons. Well, I'm trying to think of what my, what the heavenly film would be. For you. That's for me. That's an interesting question. God, I don't, what is going on? And, you know, it's a white theater, it has lots of seats and everything's good and there's plenty of popcorn. And you're there with people that you care about, who have you've lost, what are you watching? Oh, I tell you what, you know what movie is playing in heaven for me. I can tell you right now. Easily. Well, I'll go ahead. It's going in the barbarian. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I don't know why, but you know what, if, if, if, if it would be going in heaven? In the barbarian. And we would be watching it and we would be laughing when we'd be having a good time. Although, you know, I don't know what would be playing in hell for me. Like, I can, I can formulate these questions, but sometimes I don't know the answers. And I mean, the koo-joo thing makes a lot of sense. I don't know what are you playing for? You know, it's weird. This is going to sound really fucked up, but you know what movie I think would be playing for me? And I don't know why it's, this is my instinct. I can't give you a reason, but instinctually, it's clockwork orange. In, in hell? Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. Sure. I don't know why, but instinctually, it's clockwork orange. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. It's, it's very hard to do. And I don't hate that movie, but there is something horrible and maddening about that movie. No, I've got it. Yeah. It's Superman. It's the first Superman. Oh, the first one. Oh, yeah. First one. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Because what is the end of that movie? Yeah, this is a lot of it. Versus time to bring her, to bring her back and stop everything from going wrong. You're watching Superman in heaven and I'm watching, uh, Conan. That's, that's not a odd choice for the two of our person. No, not at all. It'd be very funny. I mean, you know, and that, and that works out really well because me and my dad really liked the Superman movies. Yeah. Listen, it works really well. But it also works with us in the end. If we end up in the same place, it's a good double feature. Boy, is it? Boy, is it? These two characters meeting would sure look at each other funny. You saved her? Why? There are many more women. Go conquer them. Yeah. Oh my God. Man, before I, before we recorded this show, I was, uh, I was joking about my wife and, uh, we were talking about, I, I was giving my daughter, I get, my daughter is getting into the art stuff and I was trying to give her advice on using adhesives, she's rolling her eyes at me and she walked away and I said to my wife, I was like, ah, man, you know, I, I, I wish, I wish my father gave me advice on fucking like art supplies and adhesives and, and, and shit. I was interested in it. And she's like, no, not the thing, you know, and I'm like, no, instead my dad was giving me advice like, son, he's like, don't fuck one woman. Fuck all the women. And then I started going on about, uh, my father's favorite poem, a similar piece of advice was las tres gringas and, and basically I started this poem where I was speaking in kind of my dad's accent where it was like, you know, I was, but it was in Spanish and that's the thing. It's like, it's not going to translate, but it was the, you know, you don't want one girlfriend. You want three girlfriends with green eyes and big bottoms and like, it was just going on and on. It was really funny. But it was this idea of that advice that she gets. Oh, God. Well, of course, your father being the one who told me in front of my, oh, in front of your wife in front of my wife with her standing right there, a hunter never puts down his bow. Meaning of course what we all know is God, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he said bow. I remember so does my wife because very clearly because he said otherwise his story is always a hunter never puts down his weapon. That's what it was. I think in general. Yeah. Oh, no, it was both. Because she remembers it and said, oh, yeah. And then later on in life, I mean, my father, my father was, was, you know, he got up to a ripe old age. And at one point he dated when he was prostate and I remember saying to him, at one point when he used that line, I, cause, you know, we were, we were adversarial at times. He said, a hunter never puts down his weapon and I said, yes, but sometimes the firing mechanism is removed from the rifle. So if I was just thinking about that, something about, you know, it's probably because you mentioned your dad. But yeah, so we were joking around about my, my father's poem of lustrous gringas, cola, cola, cola, cola, grande. Yeah. So, um, yes, Superman and Conan, so yeah, let us know what your movies would be. I'm curious what, but people's reaction to that because it's, I'm not giving you any grounds here. I'm not telling you that, that hell is a torture, but nothing, nothing, that's, that was all Joe's interpretation. And I don't know why clockwork orange is playing it in, in my metaphoric vision of hell. Um, no, do I know why Conan is playing, whereas I know exactly why my movies are playing in my version. Yeah. But there you go. Very clear. But you're all so strongly in front influence by Dante's Inferno. Oh, yes. I am. Yeah. So it's, uh, but yeah, so I'd be curious what other people's reactions to that would be. You know, um, yeah, it's one of those weird, it's weird questions that you, but you know, I think that we, we need to ask ourselves lots of weird questions because it does, it does force you to, to question yourself and define the answers and to, and to know, know thyself more. I mean, it sounds very, very trite the way to, to say, I think it's important that we know ourselves. It made me think about why my answers would be my answers. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, what's playing? Like, why would it be playing? The heaven one was the one I had to consider more. Yeah. Well, yeah. Because it's a, what does it, what does it mean? Especially since you're not alone. That's the thing is the heaven, the hell thing is, is hard because it's a, it's a theater with no seats. It's empty and it's just you. Right. Right. Whereas the heaven theater, the idea is that it's a, it's a theater that's full of people you've lost that you care for and what's playing, you know, and it's like, yeah, yeah. So it's a, it's a different dynamic. Um, I wonder what the, that's the, that is the, the question, the Christian dynamic. I wonder what the non Christian dynamics would that be? Yeah. I don't know. Like, like what movie is playing in Valhalla? You know what I mean? That kind of thing. Well, I mean, yeah, it's fucking joss to bring it full circle. You're like, Hey, have a drink. We're watching Joss again. It's on tonight. Same thing. It's on every night. Joss. Yeah. Oh, that's fantastic. All right. Go ahead. Close it off. Well, let us know. And, and what your interpretations of what those two places are, or a third place if there is one or any place, any place you have a, yeah, a Jewish, Muslim, a horse, Greek, whatever. Yeah. Who cares? Oh, yeah. With playing in the church at Satan. Yeah. Yeah. Kill pussy. Kill. Kill. Probably. Yeah. Faster pussy. On that note, whatever's playing in your, what is that? Jesus. Divine theater. Let us know. Oh, I wonder what would be, I would wish, if I could ask any celebrity a question now, I would totally want to know what Quentin Tarantino's answer would that would be? Oh. I do. I'm actually really curious how he's interpreted and what the answer would be. Oh, you know what, do me a favor. When you do interviews now, I want you to ask that question at the end. I will, I will do that. I'm so fascinated by the interpretation because it's like, yeah, because, you know, because I'm not saying that either of those is punishment or nothing. I just set the scene for you and you decide what it is, but it's so just, just to be clear, you kind, well, for a lot of people, you sort of did in that you said that the health theater is no seats and there's no one, but you, the heaven theater is all your loved ones. And it's beautiful. But there's people, but there's people that'll be like, hell, yeah, we're going to watch fucking awesome movies in hell and people that'll be like, heaven, well, heaven is for fucking G movies and Snow White. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like there's people who have a different interpretation. It depends on how punk rock you are. You know what I mean? Like there's different mindsets. Whereas, you know, we were talking about Holland, for some reason, yeah, Jaws seems right. That doesn't seem wrong. It doesn't seem wrong, right? Well, on that note, by all means, let us know. And whether you're watching movies that are in heaven or hell, have a wonderful weekend and we'll talk to you again next week. 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