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This week’s podcast is presented by Stephen and Jacqueline.

We hear from:

· Fiona who is following up on last week's discussion of twins;

· Witherspoon, who has been wondering where Kate might find a hypnotherapist or her sister;

· Alan who is also thinking about the hypnotherapy;

· Witherspoon again, with further thoughts on hypnotherapy and the law;

· Ros, who is wondering how much trouble George is in;

· Andrea from Beautiful Brittany who has some feedback about Feedback;

· Globe-trotting Richard who is wondering how many more weeks that storyline will drag on;

· And finally Gillian who has a prediction about how Alice will recover her memories;

Plus: we have the Week in Ambridge from Suey, a roundup of the Dumteedum Facebook group from Michelle and the Tweets of the Week from Theo.

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Individual results may vary. This is a Royfield Brown production. Find others on Apple Podcasts. [Music] Hello, this is Dumpty Dum, a weekly podcast about the archers and the goings on of Ambridge. I'm Jacqueline Berthor, who is definitely opting for the scenic route. And I'm Stephen Bowden, glamping with Auntie Kate. And then those you are lovely Dumpty Dummies. We're putting our little picking action, glam, into action. Welcome to Dumpty Dum, a place to talk about the things that are happening in our favourite borsettian village. This week's scripts were written by Avin Shah, and it's only his second set of episodes. He wrote a week last November, featuring Bonfire Knight and Eddie's not so silent fireworks. Coming up, we have calls from Fiona, who is following up on last week's discussion of twins. With a spoon, who's been wondering where Kate might find a hypnotherapist for her sister. Alan, who is also thinking about the hypnotherapy. With a spoon again, with further thoughts on hypnotherapy and the law. Ross, who is wondering how much trouble George is in. Andrea from Beautiful Brittany, who has some feedback, about feedback. Troughton Richard, who is wondering how any more weeks that storyline will drag on. And finally Gillian, who has a prediction about how Alice will recover her memories. Plus, we have the Week in Ambridge from Sui, a roundup of the Dumpty Dum Facebook group from Michelle, and the Tweets of the Week from Theo. So let's start by going straight into the roundup of the Week in Ambridge from Sui. [Music] Hello, I'm Leigh Pete. It's Sui Queen Autart here, and the roundup of this Week in Ambridge. This was not a week where the village occupants covered themselves with glory. Lindy Boston was a right bully, getting people to the village fate, and having people run a stall. David and Ruth eventually crumbled and are going to do low-cost dairy desserts. Asra was shivered into a trip to Ardell's allotment and an earth song garlic that he had grown, or sewn at least. She mentioned it to Ardell, who suddenly became Monty Don, and wanted a video made. Perhaps she should ask George. Anyway, despite her dislike of social gatherings, she's now going to the flowering produce, clutching the garlic, and is going to be on the bookstore of fate. Well done, Lindy. Justin is being extremely protective of the stables, and seems to be making a lot of unilateral decisions about what Alice Catman cannot do. She was dumped in favour of Lillian's settling a pony in the videos, despite having saved Justin's horse from colic. One wonders what Carl Otter was doing, and why she didn't notice. Anyway, there was a verbal punch-up between Justin and Lillian, who put her foot down with a firm hand. Justin is going to use all Alice's marketing plans, so she's clearly good for something. George reported someone who looked just like that blow Carrie Watson's name to the police, and then had a panic attack and really needed to breathe in and out of a paper bag, when it became apparent that Harry had an alibi, and house done all along. It looked like Emma was going to spill the beans to Kate after admitting she was the right cow to Alice. It sounds like half the village is going to enter but hit in a therapy, and Kate suggested regression therapy to Alice so she can work out what happened on the night. The combined listenership of the archers gave out a silent cheer at the prospect at the truth emerging. In the meantime, Paul went out with his homies and got very, very drunkly karaoke and brought home some blood called Kieran. He got a bit unruly with Lily and had to be manhandled out of the flat. Lily and Ben staged an intervention with Paul, who got sloppy, then crumbled and bought them dinner at the ball, referring to the trip to the rage room he had with Lily earlier in the year. There's no point in staying angry forever, because it's how is everything else you do. He then appeared to behave like an adult, which makes a lovely change. A horrific heifer called high heels was the star of the Brookfield events bomb. And David's GFC might retire, retire and take up showing as he gets nearer to the inevitable day. All is well, and there's champagne and the sense of a job well done, then Alice had to come and pull a crisp packet out from high heifers cheek. Damn townies come into the country checking their litter around. Alice and Paul got to see Justin in fancy dress for the videos. Why are we laughed? Then Don James summoned Alice to for a nice chat next week, having heard about Alice and Denise. Oh dear. And we rounded off the week with spectacular panic attack from George, another one, as Alice regressed to the night of the accident. So far she's remembered the sounds, but not sadly George shouting, "Don't open the door, Alice!" Well told you to come clean and go to the police. Now, before you go down for perverting the course of justice, driving without insurance, etc, etc, we'll just have to wait and see. At least average isn't writing this week. Well, I hope you will have a most excellent week, and next week, I'm sure there'll be more trouble ahead. Thank you for that, Suey, as brilliant as ever, and I think we'll be hearing a lot more from you next week. So Stephen, how's your week been? It's been a pretty uneventful week. I think the high points were taking tangle to the vet for a regular checkup, but she was pretty well behaved. She is getting used to her carrying thing, which is a backpack rather than one of those boxes. It makes it a lot easier to get her there, and then when I took her into the room, the examination room, she didn't want to come out, unzipped it, and she just sat there to lift her out, and then as soon as the examination was over, where she was very complacent and relaxed, she then immediately hopped straight back in as soon as she saw it. Well, at least she's not fighting you to stop getting in it. Is she not fighting you about going in the thing? No, she's very good at that, and she seems to be fine. She had a bit of an issue a few weeks ago with her bladder, but that's cleared up completely, and she's generally being pretty good. She's still pooping in the wrong places, because I think she's still a bit stressed out by the bathroom building on. Yeah, the building was still going on. Yeah, but only a few more weeks of that, and then I will have my entire flat back. Phew! Phew! Everybody will be relieved, not just tangle. And the other thing was one long walk this week, which was yesterday, and it was long. It was only about 20 kilometers, but it involved the entirety of the more than hills. Ooh, up and downy. Up and downy, so about a thousand meters of ascent. Wow, that sounds very good. Yeah, brilliant at this, aren't you? It's good exercise. It gets my heart going. Good, good. That's what you need. How about you? How has your week been? You're still on holiday? I am still on holiday. I'm in Verdun today, and it's been a week of minds and memorials, I think I would probably say. We've followed the the Magino line down from the French coast, along the edge of Belgium. We did venture into Belgium one day, but Mr. B was a bit out of sorts, because the French radio station went off, and then there was no parking where we, the castle were going to visit, so we quickly went back to France. I was just one of those things. It was one of those things he didn't really want to do, anyway, it was one of my choices, and it didn't work out. We've arrived in Verdun now. We went via a mining area where there are no longer any mines, but the brilliant places to visit a lot of information about how the miners lived, at the end of the mining times. We actually went down a mine. We've actually been down two mines. We seem to go down mines quite regularly. I don't know how this happens, but history, including the both World Wars and industrial development of this area, it's been a fascinating trip. We've still got another week, but we're actually heading for the hills after Verdun. We're going down to the last few days in north of Alsace, so that should be good to them next week, because we're traveling back home on Saturday, so I won't be here. These mines, they're coal mines, are they? Coal and, I don't know, open cast, deep cast, very deep, very deep. Coal mines, mainly though, have only been dumped too, but it's been very interesting. We love both of us really enjoy the industrial development and the machinery and how it changed over a hundred years, but also it's the personal lives of the people that live there, and the development of very much like Cadbury's other industrialists in the late 1800s who decided that actually building units for the people to live in with running water and gardens where they could grow their vegetables rather than going to the cafes of the work and stuff like that. It's all the social history of it, which is just fascinating, and the vestiges of what's left are very interesting. But apart from that, we went to Vimy Ridge, which is a big Canadian Memorial, and today we started visiting the memorials around Verdun on our bikes until I had a pedal fell off, and guess who didn't have any tools? The shoes, the camping car key, managed to screw the pedal back on, having to stop by every half kilometre to re-screw it up, but anyway, managed to get back in one piece, so there we are. Well, I think that's more than enough about us, let's get on to the important bit of the show, which is you, our lovely colouring, or is who we starting with today, Stephen. We will be starting with Fiona. Hello Stephen and Jacqueline, my name is Fiona, and this is my first time call of honouring. It's probably something interesting enough to broadcast, but I just wanted to follow up on the discussion about twins' names, and which name is generally cited first. I've got a bit of stake in twins, I have identical twin brothers, and I'm married to an identical twin, and in both sets of twins, one twin has a very simple name and one twin has a rather longer name, so my brothers are called Giles and Christopher, always in that order, and that's because Giles is the older twin, and in my experience children's names are always given in the order they're older. Now, maybe the Giles is only 10 minutes older, but he's still older nonetheless, as he never ceased to point out to Christopher when they were younger, and my husband is the younger of him and his brother, and he again is 10 minutes younger, and they were always known as Mark and Richard, so I think it is just to do with generally, usually, whichever twin comes in which order, and in fact another set of twins, I don't know what I'm friends with, they are Andrew and Philip, and I think they were always cited in order of age as well, so that's my theory, so I'd be interested in there with all of you and Stephen, you and you were born in. Anyway, that's my rattling's wittings on, thank you, bye. Thank you for that call Fiona, and congratulations on your first time coronaing, we should have said hooray early. Sorry about that Fiona, hooray. Hooray, yeah, so you're right if you were guessing that I'm the older twin and my name comes first, and I think yes, that makes a lot of sense, except possibly to the circumstances where we talk about twins that you don't know personally or whatever, and then we can't be sure which way the leg goes, Ronnie and Reggie cray, I'm not sure which one was the older was Ronnie the older. I have no idea. And of course in Ambridge, how many twins, we've got four sets of twins in Ambridge at the moment, we've got Sheila and Kenton, Fred and Lily. And Sheila's definitely the older one, isn't she? Lily and Fredy, where Lily is the older one, Nova and Sarahen where Nova is the older one and then we have those cricketing twins. Oh yes, the cycling quickest. Yes, we were never the cold brother. They're always referred to as the twins. The twins, yeah, twins or twin men in Lycra. And it's almost as if they're treated as a single entity rather than being two distinct people. I think there's one case where one of the people in the cricket decided that one of them should go in perhaps as a deadringer for the other because one is better at cricket than the other. Yeah, there was some story, but that's another thing that's kind of disappeared, hasn't it? Cricket has been more active this summer that they haven't mentioned them. I suppose it's because we've gone back to an all ages cricket team rather than over 60s. Yeah, exactly rather than the wrinklers which they definitely fitted into there. Yes, I'd forgotten about them as twins. He said four, I was racking my brains to find the ascopel. I don't have an experience of twins either in my family or in my general life. I need triplets once, but that's about it. So I can't really comment. Anyway, thank you very much for calling Fiona and do call again and there's nothing that is so minor that we don't think that it's worth including in the podcast. Absolutely, absolutely. We'll put our minds to whatever you want to talk about. Next up is a familiar sound. Greetings Jacqueline, Stephen and all Dempsey Dimmers around the world. It's with Spin and Angus Haggis here, caller entering after Tuesday's episode. First to follow up to my caller in last week regarding my concern about the lack of family therapy for Alice and the Aldrich's. I was thinking in terms of services while she was in the residential rehab program, not as an outpatient. Then the lack of mention of post discharge treatment. I understand there's a dearth of support in rural areas, but one positive outcome of the COVID lockdown has been the development of virtual online video, 12 step and other types of group therapy for those in need or individual or family therapy. I just wanted to point that out. That actually connects us to today's conversation between Emma and Kate. In this play, I thought Kate was suggesting that she do the hypnotherapy on Alice. First off, when did Kate become a trained hypnotherapist, which is much different than someone who provides relaxation training? Then I thought it wouldn't be very ethical for Kate to provide such services for Alice, her own sister. Upon re-listening to the episode, I realized that Kate never actually offered to provide the hypnotherapy herself. She thought it was an excellent idea, which it seems to be how ironic that this conversation with Emma started Kate's wheels turning. But if you can't find a good family therapist in the area, how would you ever be able to find the hypnotherapist? Of course, Kate may know someone, or for such an important procedure for Alice, it's worth a trip to Birmingham or London. What's Alice's barrister doing to earn their money? They should be thinking of such ideas. In any case, I'm very eager to hear how this hypnotherapy session with Alice goes. I hope we get to hear it firsthand and not a report about it. Talk to you soon. Thank you for that with a spoon. Yeah, hypnotherapy, quite a few people have called in about hypnotherapy and mentioned the hypnotherapy this week. As we know by now, with Friday's episode, Alice has had some, the first session of hypnotherapy, not from Kate. I agree that I thought at first that Kate was suggesting she'd be able to do the hypnotherapy on Alice, which I thought was going to create another dilemma, but obviously they've found someone, surprisingly found someone quite easily, who had an availability straight away, but that's the archer's fairyland. It was a cancellation. That's true, and cancellations do happen. They found it because she does regular sessions at spiritual home. I tend to agree with Witherspoon that it's not the same as relaxation. You'd have thought that the person that Kate would have at spiritual home would be more into the relaxation than something like regression therapy, but then we don't know that much about how spiritual homes survive and what it offers. No, we don't. It's all very fluid and very masked the ins and outs of it. I think Kate and her ideas, I've loved Kate this week. I loved the way that she reacted to George because we know that she didn't like Harry in the first place. I think he fed George's story, fed into Kate's ideas about Harry, so I really thoroughly enjoyed listening to Kate's book. Just to go back to Witherspoon's call, online on a radio drama, I'm not sure that I agree with Witherspoon. There should have been probably some reference to some kind of follow-up therapy for family therapy or ongoing therapy for Alice, but we don't know, we don't know what goes on. As you always say, Stephen, this is only 13 minutes a day, and what's happening to the rest of the goodness knows how many minutes I can. I wanted to pick up on your point about what the barrister's doing with Witherspoon. I don't think, I don't know what you think about this, but I don't think in Britain, barristers do that kind of investigation today. Barristers definitely don't because barristers tend to respond to instructions from the solicitor, so if it were anybody who were doing this, it would be, in Alice's case, the solicitor, because I think in Crown Court, the solicitor will appear, but the case is prepared by, sorry, if it's in Crown Court, the barrister will be the one who does the appearance in court, but the solicitor will have prepared a brief for the barrister. But even then, lawyers in Britain, solicitors don't do the sort of investigation that American lawyers appear to do, judging by some of the TV series I have seen. I just, it's a different role, and it would be for Alice to do the preparation and bring the stuff. And while the solicitor might suggest things that Alice could do, I think that it would be expected that the client would provide the evidence and so forth for the case, rather than the solicitor going out and sleuthing around and so forth. Lawyers just don't do that. So in fact, the fact that the family are Chris, in particular, and now Kate are trying to help her to find out more information, to remember things, but that's pretty quite normal to British legal life then. Yes, the people who are doing the stuff are exactly the people that I would suggest. The solicitor might have helpful suggestions, but they wouldn't actually be doing that sleuthing sort of thing. It's just not what family solicitors do. Ah, right. Well, so there we are. So it's yet again, sorry we're going to point out a difference between the UK and the US, but another one of those things. So about what we're hearing from with the spring again in a bit. But first, we're going to hear from Alan. Hi everybody. Alan from Ramsgate. Third time call arena. Just listened to Monday's show. No, sorry, not Monday's. Tuesday's show where Kate and Emma are chatting about getting Alice into a trance and hopefully remember something that happens from the night. And I'm pretty sure that George is going to be front and centre in everything that she remembers. And Emma is going to spill the beans. Anyway, to speak again soon. Thank you for that call, Alan. And we are, of course, on tenterhooks at the moment, because we've had the first session, which is focused in terms of recovered memories, very much on the moments of the crash itself and what Alice could hear. And I suspect that she will only really be able to remember what she heard, because in her state, I don't know how she actually would have seen at all anyway. I think if her eyes were closed, then she's not going to remember seeing stuff that she didn't see in the first place. But on the other hand, it may be that she was struggling to open the door and that's all going to come back to her. But we're still waiting to find out whether she will recall something. She did last week have that brief moment where she said something about having heard George's voice. So I think that's definitely a hook on which the next session, perhaps, will hang itself and it'll all start to unwind and it'll all start coming back. I hope she gets her next appointment very quickly. But maybe not too quickly, because I don't want it all to run out this next week, because I'm not going to be doing dumb-d dumb-d dumb next Saturday. That's one of my very selfish point of view, but I know there are a lot of people who really want the story to end. I still think that it could run and run this whole thing going on, because the slow drip of Alice and she's got time because we don't think the court case is very imminent, do we? We don't know. Don't we know, do we? We don't know, but it's unlikely to be in August at least, because the courts, well, they're so busy dealing with people who've been caught up in the rioting. Anyway, thank you for your third call, Alan, and do keep calling in, and we'll now go back to our previous call, our owner. Greetings again. It's with the Spoon and Angus Haggis, caller-inering following Wednesday's episode with further thoughts about hypnotherapy and the law. So we now know that Kate has located a hypnotherapist, Alice, and Alice's keen time to go the procedure. Let's assume that she will recall a good deal if not everything that occurred on the night in question. I was curious to know if this information would be admissible in court. I found an online 2021 Code for Public Prosecutors' public document on hypnosis. There's a lot to digest in it, and it seems like the British courts take a dimmer view on the admissibility of hypnosis-related evidence that American courts do. Under the heading "hypnosis of the accused," it says, "any confession obtained by hypnosis is likely to be ruled inadmissible under section 76 or 78 police and criminal evidence act of 1984. Under no circumstances should suspects or persons who may be implicated in the commission of an offense be hypnotized." Under the heading "hypnosis of a witness," it says, "the police will sometimes arrange for a witness to be hypnotized in the hope that he or she will recall further details under hypnosis. You should advise the police to restrict the use of hypnotism to people who may be able to give them a lead on an investigation, but who will not be called as witnesses." In this case, while Alice is the accused, she's not going to confess, but will actually claim her innocence as a result of hypnosis. So she's actually a witness to Georgia's crime. Ah, so confusing. But in reality, is Alice reclaiming of her memories, going to lead her first to talk to Harrison, will then bring Georgia in for questioning? Or will she publicly confront Georgia? Will all that happen at the fate/horse events? It would be most exciting if it did. Talk to you soon! Thank you for that second very thoroughly researched caller with a spoon. Well, I don't want to say because that has just put all the facts down hasn't it? But I agree, what will Alice do when she remembers? Will she confront Georgia? I did she's going to remember isn't countering on this weekend? It is, yes. I don't think she's going to remember. No, it's next weekend. All right, in a week from now. Yeah, so maybe if she has another session between now and then she might be able to confront Georgia, I don't think she'll go to Harrison because the relationship between her and Harrison is very, very poor because of Harrison at the moment. And I just don't feel that because of the Fallon situation and what happened to Fallon during the accident that she would feel able to go to Harrison. I think confronting George in a public place because they happen to me is much more likely and I think we'd be much more dramatic as well. I agree with you that it would be much more dramatic but I'm not convinced that she will do that. I think she will go to Harrison and I think that Harrison's unwillingness to believe a word she says will be part of the drama. That's a good call. She will try and go down that route which would be the central route to go. On with the students' point about confessions and evidence and so forth, I think the most likely outcome is that Alice's memories recovered through the regression therapy will be used to cause the police to interview George and then George will collapse and confess and make it clear that what his part in it was. So the memories themselves, Alice's evidence will not be critical to the case that that will be exactly as with us who mentioned it would be for the development of lead intelligence that would then be followed up and the actual evidence would be George's confession and presumably they would drop the charges against Alice, then they would charge George with all kinds of things. He would have to accept a guilty plea and they would presumably come up with some set of charges George would sign up to and then we'd end up with a very perfunctory court appearance where they have the hearing. He pleads guilty they then come back again for effectively a sentencing hearing later on and then we can all move on ideally with George in the summer. Well as we're talking about George, how have you felt he's been this week? Because I've been fascinated by the complete and absolute hysteria. How is he actually managed to do anything normal? Because every time we've heard from him he's been on the edge of hysteria. To the point of this on Friday night's episode insisting that he had to go and stop Alice having the therapy and actually thank goodness for that. It was the one point in the week when I thought Will you're being sensible? Because Will has been an absolute witch this week. He has. He has been extremely alone but then George has spent a week doing the videos for answering on. Yes, he's operating normally. I don't understand how he's managed to because every time we've heard him he's been on the point of absolute hysteria and as Sue said in her round up panic attacks. He was really really panicking and creeping around listening to doors because every member said something about Ed shot into the doorway and got more and more hysterical. But I suppose if he's focusing on something that he's good at and enjoys doing, he can take his mind off his own trouble while he's doing that work or what passes for work in George's world. Yeah but you see I don't think he's mature enough to do that. I think he's one of those at that age where everything about them and their lives is most important. That's actually the fact that they're working doing something. I was just saying passing off the work for George. He was somebody else would notice. Now on the subject of people noticing where the heck is Ed in all of this? chopping down trees. He's without Emma. I don't understand what's going on there. I think that's a bit remiss that we're not hearing. The Ed included in this. This is very Will and Emma focused with George. I know they're his parents but I just feel like Emma is in this state as is George of incontent tension to the point where having even having a relaxing evening with Kate she was unable to relax. Not that I think relaxed evening with Kate would relax me either. But she I just think it's weird that last week Ed was all very sensitive about how she was feeling and then this week nothing. I think we just haven't heard enough from Ed to know what's going on as I've always said. It's absolutely an hour a day, 168 hours in a week and we can't hear all of it. Yeah but I think he must be thinking what's going on with her. She's spending a lot of time with his brother. She has a history with and a lot of time fraught. Ed must know something is up with George. Yeah I'll with them. Shall we have our next call and this one is from Roz. Hello Jacqueline and Stephen and all the dumpty dummas it's Roz from South Wales. I've just been listening to Sunday's episode and I have to say oh gosh George when I was very little my granny used to have a quote if I tried to get away with something and it was oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. She was a metatist. I'm not sure where it comes from Shakespeare. Anyway it really does strike me that George is getting tangled up and it's all going to go really badly but the one thing I wanted to ask George is old enough to drive isn't he? Has he passed his test and if he hasn't passed his test is that one of the reasons that he was so anxious at the accident not to be seen to be the one driving because that would be worse than if he had passed his test because strictly speaking then if Alice has got the right insurance he would technically have been okay wouldn't he driving well third party? Oh yeah I'm getting a bit muddled. I'll stop. Anyway all the best tell me what you think. Thank you for that call Roz and as for what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. That's from Sir Walter Scott from his poem Marmian which is a very long and involved poem about people getting up to glorious misdeeds in Scotland in the past. It's also the poem which features young lock-in vah and he lifts a maiden over his saddle bow I think at some point and this is something that some of the children's books I was reading had characters in who always wanted to be rescued from their lives by young lock-in vah so it was a very big and very popular poem at the time Marmian if you want to to look it up it's quite long and the that particular quote is in the sixth part of six so right towards the very end. Roz there you go that's given Stephen a chance to show off his knowledge hasn't it? So Roz does George have a driving license? I think he does yes I'm sure he does in fact because he keeps saying I need the car I need the car and if you didn't have a license Will would not let him drive. That's very true and when they talked about getting a little van for Emma for doing some of the driving to do with the the tree surgery jobs I remember Ed and Emma saying oh it will be helpful for you we'll have another vehicle for you to be able to drive George as well so yeah we think George has got a driving license but I've never understood why he went down the route of trying to cover up the fact that he was driving he caused a crash he hadn't got permission so I don't know what the insurance situation would be but it wouldn't get George off the hook for getting in and driving a car without the owner's permission even if the owner is in there. Right in the state she was in well you could argue that it was Alice that caused the crash because she was feeling sick and open the door and he was distracted. I'm not making excuses for George I know you're stood like see your face. Yeah this has come up on the Facebook page as well but there is no way that I think that Alice is remotely responsible for a crash. She did the sensible thing under the circumstances of parking up somewhere quiet putting the car keys in the glove box and passing out and if she were feeling sick then she knows that she can just open the door and lean out and throw up on the ground and then she's being driven around she probably wouldn't have been feeling sick if George hadn't been driving like a maniac because the whole attraction of Alice's car is a performance car of some sort I think as I've said before I think it's a hot hatch as they used to call them and so George will have been throwing it around the corners and seeing how it goes and pretending that he was on top gear on that and that sort of thing and that would be enough to make anybody feel sick particularly if they're coming out of a binge. So I don't think that Alice can be held remotely responsible and George is entirely to blame for the crash. Right okay let's put me in my place. So those are the first few calls and there's some more to come. If you'd like to join in by calling us yourself or dropping as a line by message or email Stephen is here to tell you how and all the details are also in the show notes. The first option is to record a message or a plot prediction by going to www.speakpipe.com/dumpedidumb and I'm afraid we're still struggling to resolve the Speakpipe issues but we are hoping for progress this week. That means that at the moment calls are limited to 90 seconds but if you do want to leave two minutes worth of calls just call a second time and finish the call off in a second call. Alternatively you can send us a voice note or a written message via WhatsApp on 07810 01281 if you're calling from outside the UK start with +44 and drop that first zero. 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Hi Jacqueline, Stephen and lovely Dumpty Dumas all over the world. Andrea from Butyl Brittany. I'd like to thank Stephen and Jacqueline for their recommendations for the BBC sound feedback programme this week where they were on set with the archers. I'm talking about the archers but I do have to say Stephen why oh why oh why didn't you include a trigger warning with it? Just after four minutes in we get the terrible fateful horrible night when dear sweet lovely sweet soppy Nigel plummeted from Lower Locksley Towers and shuffled off this mortal coil or well not so much shuffled off the mortal coil as fell onto the mortal coil from a great height with the now legendary sound. Oh it was quite distressing for some of us. I can't imagine how Jacqueline felt about it and also 13 minutes in we had a part of the shower scene with Sid and Jolene. Fortunately they were talking about the shower gel and the smell of it so it's left me wondering was the shower scene actually as bad as we all think it was or was it just they only chose the only before the watershed nine o'clock moment they could fit in there. But anyway keep up with the recommendations for all archers based listening but don't forget trigger warnings for us sensitive people in future. Tararabat. Who backs up that address? Yes we are very sensitive in central Brittany. I was a mixed user because I take away so much from the scenes that have distressed me. I find the whole reference to Nigel's accident and David's part in it. I find it very triggering anyway so to hear the whole ridiculous long scream that I think somebody worked out the building must have been so many hundreds of meters high to get that long that's been. It wasn't as much triggering for me as just regret. I regret the loss of Nigel. He was all part of my first 10-15 years of being an archer's listener by myself rather than being a passive child listening when the parents were listening. Yeah I do find that quite upstressing and also I don't think the shower scene was anywhere near as bad as we have been traumatized to think it was. I think it was a surprise at the time. But that program that feedback program was brilliant. I've listened to it twice this week whilst walking and I just love those interviews. I love the interviews with the actors and I think that the actress who plays Emma where I'm of a name. Emerald Ohane Rohan. That's it. I can never remember what the name is. And with Angus Stobie it was fascinating absolutely fascinating to hear their real voices as well rather than their acting voices was brilliant and we get a lot of comments from people. I'm sure you do Stephen as I do from people if I say that I do a podcast about the archers. People look at you like oh my goodness what kind of weirdo are you but there's a lot of those out here. There's a lot of people who love the archers and in fact it's about accepting all aspects of it from the cheesy stuff to the creepy stuff to the boring writing which some people make a lot of comments about on Facebook and also the farming stuff or the lack of farming stuff. It's all part and parcel of our love of the archers. So it's one of those things Andrea I'm sorry but I agree Stephen I think we have to give people in central Brittany lots of trigger warnings. My reason for not having given a trigger warning is when I mentioned the program I hadn't listened to it so I didn't know what was in it. I hadn't listened to it either so I couldn't do that well there you are you see Andrea that's the truth for you. Now as for the program itself I agree with you the interviews with Emerald and with Angus were excellent. I was massively disappointed by the rest of the program because it was just the same old same old stuff. I thought the interview with Jeremy Howe he seemed very smug about what he was doing and yet this business about oh I've told all my bosses they must listen tonight because something's going to pay off after 14 years. Well that CD recording of Chivorn wasn't something that paid off after 14 years it was something that was introduced as a fun thing to to do for Rory's 18th birthday but it wasn't set up there was no evidence at the time of Chivorn recording something and there are other things that have been in the program where you could point to it and say this really was something that's happened and in fact more generally the whole Rory storyline is something that was set up over the years but I thought that was a bit disappointing the way that he was going on about that and it was really just the same old same old so Nigel falling off the roof and the Tim Hafford estimate of the height of the building. I think Nigel was probably sliding down a sloping roof and therefore it was taking him longer than if he was just plummeting down so that would be my reason why it would be a longer screen than you might expect without the building having to be that high and then the shower scene I think the point about the shower scene is not what we actually heard but the pictures it triggered in our heads because we weren't used to thinking about any of the characters in the arches and the shower least of all said perks and yes he's been going to the gym but even so I don't think that he was everybody's idea of a rippling muscular adenas. No not at all not at all yeah interesting interesting how we come away I think because my views I think I'm a bit too positive I was my glasses definitely half full and I love the whole idea of it because I'm not really into who the actors are and how the production goes and the editing side of it I just think of it as a good story I think it gives me a different point of view to other people so there we go yes and of course I can say how tedious and boring I found the put program from the interviews but then I'm a massively invested arches listener and so it's not surprising and feedback is designed for casual listeners and non-listeners to the arches at all so for them I suppose they weren't necessarily have heard the whole thing they weren't in the same way heard those things before and so for them it's all interesting and new and they hadn't thought about it whereas I thought about it probably to an unhealthy degree and do you think it will have attracted new listeners to the arches or put people off I don't think it'll have made much difference to be honest I think that if you listen to feedback you're made up your mind about a lot of long-running BBC programs years ago and so either you're an arches listener or you're not but I can't imagine that feedback program will make a difference I think that as I said the best part of it was the interviews with Amazon Angus and I think that will have helped people focus in on things like the fact that Angus has natural acts and his Scottish yeah Scottish! Amazing who would know when you hear him absolutely brilliant acting great so who's next? Next up we have globe-trotting Richard Richard calling in globe-trotting all the way to Martha Tiddell on holiday and Wales lovely lovely part of the world I was expecting some kind of follow-up from the police about George's potentially framing of Harry with his hapless attempt to witness someone else being there but he wasn't sure who it was because he talked about how he took them through things step by step and that suggests him creating a timeline and that suggests that things won't stack up and the police might get suspicious but I can't see how that's going to get back to anyone else in the village and I'm calling it on Friday evening so I know that the big issue is what next will be uncovered by the hypnotherapy perhaps George will confess when the police come to chat to us for a follow-up interview that could be a plot prediction but I see lots more tension like how many more weeks can it drag on the other thought that crossed my mind is that this litter plotline could lead to David or someone starting through a VCC TV doorbell imagery and see George whizzing by in the car rather than plotting along as his version of ends is meant to confirm by he keep up the good work all the best to everyone thank you for that call Richard yeah I think that the issue with George and his attempt to dob in Harry is that the police aren't interested they know that Alice did it and all they want to do is prove that Alice did it in court and move on as quickly as possible there's no investigative effort going into all of this as far as I can tell there's no reason why they would they've got plenty of other things to investigate I would imagine and so this open and chucked case of somebody getting drunk and then going for crazy drives is all they're interested in I think that if Alice comes forward with her memories of George being in that car that might be enough to trigger further work by the police because what they won't want is for Alice to be able to so reasonable doubt in the minds of it even just one juror and then you end up without being able to get that guilty verdict from all the members of the jury so they will follow up if there's something concrete and sensible to do so and then they will look back at George's witness statement and think why did he come in and say that we know that it wasn't true because Harry had a car sign alibi maybe given that we now it's possible George was guilty this was part of him attempting to divert the court of justice so I think that's how that will play out the fact that it hasn't shown up yet doesn't surprise me no yeah it is interesting what about the litter picking connection I don't know what field it will have in the way of CCTV I think the general rule is that your CCTV cameras are supposed to be covering your property and are not supposed to be going out into the the road nearby so if David has a CCTV camera that covers the road that's not lawful so yeah if you've got a doorbell I've got a doorbell video camera and somebody rings my doorbell which is actually straight oh it's actually my gatebell is which is straight onto the street I can cannot help but see the street so I would see I would have caught somebody passing but I don't pay the thing to to save the videos but that would only come on when the the bell is pressed no it's a motion detector you've got a motion detector while you're in trance and maybe the laws are different now maybe this is very true but yeah the reviewing of doorbell footage was brought up by the lovely Robert Snell wasn't it a few months ago when he decided to investigate the question of the dog attack was it and then this has come up as another subject it's obviously part of rural life as well as town life that people have doorbells that can record things I can't see David reviewing anything that would affect George's situation or the situation of the night from the night of the crash because for as far as we're concerned she was at Alice was parked up in the middle of nowhere and the accident happened in the middle of nowhere so there won't be any I don't think actually did happen in the middle of nowhere this Hayden Bridge yeah it was Hayden Bridge wasn't it yeah it was I think that's the one that actually goes past Brookfield given all the business about the road being closed while they repaired the bridge oh yes and then Alice to having to go across to get to the cow that was using the Ford and so forth yeah so that made me think that it was the road that crosses the am right by Brookfield and so they would have driven oh so maybe Richard is onto something I think so but the whole geography of that event frustrates me still it's totally implausible and the crash in the middle of nowhere they wasn't I mean it was treated differently the middle of nowhere we then learned that it was actually right in the middle of the village all right yeah so it's me misremembering the way it is but I mean very just in the litter thing because this is the second or third time there's been an event with littering at first I thought it was just one of those messages that our subliminaly put across to us but this incident with the cow is with the crisp bag in her cheek was much more important as a part of a general story about agriculture alive but tell me what do you think about calling a heifer high heels I don't know what you choose to call a heifer I thought that naming animals wasn't really a done thing but if you're going to show it it's going to have a name yes that that's true it's a pretty silly name but maybe the confirmation of the heifer is such that it looks as if it's wandering around on high heels yes especially with its highly polished hooves which Ruth refused to do yes so we have a bit of agricultural stuff didn't we this week on Thursday so that's a good thing sort of agricultural stuff yeah not actual harvest or anything like that but no no actually I've been thinking about this week as we've been driving around this bread basket of France with a harvest against took behind tractors and and now the there's been some haymaking yesterday we saw around the fields of around Verdun which is obviously the second or third type of haymaking we don't get a lot of that in average these days so anyway we shouldn't know about that should we instead let's move on to our final call and this one is from Gillian Hi this is Gillian from London just calling to say that this week's been interesting week I'm not convinced that the hypnotherapy said Alice is going to be a guide and I see that she's not going to remember anything useful but I do believe that she will recover some of the memories but she'll come through the memories by George saying out he ends at one of the events or presumably at the camping all event and the other thing I want to say about this week's Justin Justin is just getting worse and worse all the time and I just I don't know I'm just getting really fed up with him and to get part for that just want to say thanks for all the work that you'd like and interested to see what if one else thinks or Sunday well thanks for that Gillian yeah it has been an interesting week in many ways and I love the fact that you're not convinced that the hypnotherapy is going to help because that's a very good alternative view I'm a bit skeptical about hypnotherapy as a therapy in general but that's just me and my not very open mind about these kind of things but the fact that everybody else is convinced that something is going to come from it I like to hear the fact that somebody else thinks it's a different point of view Justin I couldn't agree with you more oh god he's just worse than ever he's been built up for a massive fall isn't he he's certainly being built up for massive fall over the stables and the way he's getting Alice I wonder whether Carlotta will turn out to be done she's already failed to spot the colleague he's pitching everything towards Carlotta and he's also he's not just being closed about Alice he's definitely shut down Alice but he's also being yet again duplicitous with Gillian I don't quite understand what exactly his role is at the stables because he seems to have the final say in everything he's an investor but he's not really that expert in running up and the equal establishment's very strange it is very strange it's one of those very frustrating stories that brings him in I love the fact they got him to dress up as a ringmaster or don't want to pounce around on his horse but the whole him shutting every avenue and Alice still being positive about what she was doing the mucking out and the moving things on I think she's Alice is showing us that she is moving on that she is trying her hardest we still know she could have blips even a hypnotherapy might cause a lot of stress for her I don't know but the fact that Justin is being as awful as he is oh god it's definitely one for a verbal slap list this week yes he was deeply irritating I couldn't believe he was persuaded to dress up in a ringmaster's costume and where did they find a ringmaster's costume anyway it's very logical there was just so many oddities but he has got formed don't remember there was a story of him having a photograph taken as a daffodil or something like that when he was a child but Gillian has teased him about mercilessly yes that was in that time capsule that's just yes that's and they found it and then of course he and Lillian have matching velour onesies that they slobbed around in during lockdown yeah so yeah don't obviously he has a he has form on this thing now Justin is definitely dig dastardly of the whole affair and he's got his nose poked far too deeply into stuff that he shouldn't have his nose stuck into but I'm looking forward to him eating what was the expression that Tracy from California used a few weeks ago eating crow eating crow or humble pie as we were saying humble pie exactly exactly I'm really looking forward to that and I hope that Lillian reminds him massively of what all the things that he said and done so on that note those are the calls for this week thank you so much for calling in and we always say that this show is about what you the listeners think so please do tell us how the week was for you in ambridge and calling next week now did you have any emails or text messages this week Stephen not a single one gracious silence that makes a change as we have mentioned a few times now patreon backers have done to them get an ad free version of the podcast after positive feedback from those patrons we are now aiming to make the patreon version available around 6 p.m. on saturday this is not however a guarantee there may be weeks when other demands on steven's time means that he can't do the edit until later now this is very likely to happen on the 7th of september when when he'll be off as soon as we've finished recording to find ed in his textiles at the morton show patrons also get a weekly email about 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come in for much comment amongst dumpedy dumbers mark what u suggested that good will would not have behaved that way in the past it's gotten to him another will william nolan had previously found will a sympathetic character but after sunday's episode he sincerely hopes that he and george end up in adjoining cells many listeners were keen to point out that will's character has not always been positive that nick brought out the best in him and now the will of old is emerging jackie begin to reflect that george has always been will's blue-eyed boy and can do no wrong chris gibson finds him awful and hella noide is also wishing for yet another grandi to spend time behind bars with a prison sentence for aiding and abetting seeing him removed from the airways for a while she did get partly what she wished for as this was the last we heard of whiny will for a few days as a storyline took us to a collicky horse and the slimy snake just in alliot being thankful for a massive pile of horse poop jon dine's Reynolds is not just in's fan club she thinks he's a decided nasty piece of work around i think so we think so and at some point lilyan will finally think so q tiger anaphira responded that she's guilted of having a secret liking for justin he's horrid but he adds so much to the show he's so much more palatable than george in my opinion at least with justin what you see or at least here is what you get unlike slippery george moving to a much more likable character the facebook group turned to brad and mia expectations for an update on the day of the national a-level result was raised by sandra de jenkinson joe florick responded you'd think it would at least be mentioned seeing as they had all the fiasco of brad going up to possibly Durham to look round it especially this residential mask camp etc now the big day is here and nothing all we got was a horse that had chewed on a chris packet and new best chums alistair and paul had come to the rescue although kathryn humpries came up with a solution where a vet was not needed we have got problems with one of our heifers she's just been standing around looking depressed david's been with her for most of the day case closed well having traveled from one end of a horse's gastrological system to another that's a perfect note to leave things on to rob it thank you michelle and thank you so much to everyone on the don't doin facebook page if you'd like to join them please do but don't forget to answer all the membership questions so that we know you're a real person and if anybody out there would like to write us a review please do there's a link to instructions on how to do this in the show notes if you can't leave a review or if you already have the other thing you could do is tell three of your friends about us even if they're not currently archers listeners who knows might be the start of a long obsession now we're moving on to twitter where you will find us at dumtydum make sure you include the archers hashtag using a capital tna so the visually impaired who use screen readers can enjoy any archers based tweets as well as at dumtydum steven can occasionally be found at whenlock house and we can both also be found with the archers friends or blue sky where i am at whenlock dot b sky dot social and i am at jberto dot b sky dot social so let's find out who has won the twitter medals this week tweet tweet tiger hello shacklin steven and dumtydum is everywhere it's purple pumpkin here with treats and skates of the week and my thanks as ever to everyone who tags at dumtydum to make sure we see all the best ones this week i'd like to start by saying a little bit about twitter and blue sky many people will know that elon musk the owner of twitter has been expressing really odious views on matters ranging from the u.s. election to the u.k. riots and that there are also new features on twitter that make it harder to find what you want while filtering out the haters and the things you don't want to see some people think it's unethical to remain on twitter and have been leaving we already lost some of our regular tweeters with musks earlier interventions and some other people have left with the timing of the archers omnibus changing from 10 to 11 which made some people tweet at 10 o'clock while listening on sounds and others at 11 while listening live but it remains the case that at dumtydum has 9 000 followers on twitter down by maybe 10 from its peak while on blue sky things are much quieter and it's easier to focus on only the positive or archers related posts but we only have a few hundred followers and there's much less activity on hashtag the archers even with an influx of new refugees from twitter so my inclination for now is to carry on in both places on behalf of dumtydum which definitely shouldn't be seen as an endorsement of musk but rather as Laura Davis at Laura Davis 24 put it a recognition of the brilliant people on our hashtag and the kindness of strangers that we're not ready to pack in just because of one man's ego as Dave Blake at Wessex wildlife said increasingly i think the archers tweet along as the internet's last best hope for peace love and understanding but i would welcome any thoughts from listeners on how best we should handle all of this on both platforms this week on hashtag the archers we continued to build the list of those who will be eating humble pie when the truth about the accident comes out as loma lindy 12 at loma lindy 12 dot beesky dot social said justins up there along with harrisom and susan and brian to a degree kitties and orbin at kitsa dot beesky dot social pointed out that jazza and tracie are in there too but she also hoped that phalan and alice will jet off on an expensive holiday paid for by brian if you've been wondering about the precisely call of the crash and who was where on blue sky brendacellwin at brendacellwin dot beesky dot social posted various maps and annotations with apologies that they weren't on a perspec board with lots of strings while on twitter jane perone at jane perone displayed her hand drawn attempt at explaining the whole george and alice storyline to her non archers listening family finally will you as baffled as many in the tweet along about why there were so many mentions of high heels the cow was victoria isherwood at vic isherwood right that someone had a bet on how many times they could get the word high heels into one episode and who would want to cow at their wedding anyway apparently it is a real thing but a number of people had to work hard to resist making sexist jokes about different kinds of cows at weddings as charlie noten said a cow at a wedding the rest of this joke has been redacted by the bernard manning prevention society well angela dob at lms bossy urged herself not to say something that les dawson might have said about mother-in-law's but now over to this week's medals for blue sky skates and expos all of which we continue to consider as tweets in the week in bron's position it's alternative archers at alternate archer who has paul saying to allister i'm sorry i've been such a pain and allister saying a pain you mean a big blubbering man baby a diva a hysterical dramatic over the top drama queen that's okay no worries the silver medallist is patricia at olympians memories are stirred for allis she suddenly remembers jenny's van venison casserole recipe and the gold medal goes to allman at ambridgealland.bsky.social something old something new something borrowed something new and on that bow vine note that's it for this week i hope to see you all on hashtag the archers on twitter or blue sky next week thank you for that theo and congratulations to all who were mentioned in this week's roundup that certainly made me giggle and don't forget we're on instagram at dumpty-dum where i am starting to be a bit more active i've been practicing on my own account so now i'm hoping by the time i get home from this 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