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Midday Mobile - Mike Bunn joins the show - August 19 2024
There will be no personal nor direct attacks on anyone and I would ask that you please try to keep down the loud cheering and the clapping. There will be no booing and no unruly behavior. With that, this is painful and it will be for a long time. After all, these are a couple of high-stepping turkeys and you know what to say about a high stepper. No step too high for a high stepper. This is midday mobile with Sean Sullivan on FM Talk 1065. Well Sean's a tough guy. I mean I think everybody knows that here Sean, he took some licks, he hangs in there. Yeah what's wrong with the beer we got? I mean the deal we got drank pretty good don't it? Did you hear what I said? So this is a bade council. I had no doubt about them. That doesn't suck. If you don't like it, you're bad. Last question, were you high on drugs? Last question, kiss my ****. Right, to vote number 3430106, 3430106 for the text line as well and a reminder too. Get in touch, you can always use the Talkback feature with the FM Talk 1065 app. Several people said, "Sean did you see this clip? You see the clip? I've seen the clip. Play the audio. The clip here is Vice President, candidate for President Kamala Harris. The bus, the discussion of what goes on in this bus, go ahead and play first clip here. The bus has Wi-Fi and even USB outlets next to every seat. I mean come on imagine, you can charge your phone on your way home from work. That's good stuff. Yeah, okay. I've seen the clip here and I guess the which bounce around. People are like, "Look at this. Harris is drunk." I guess something scarier for you. I don't think she is drunk. I don't think in that clip she is drunk. I think that's just the Vice President. Why don't we talk about the idea of leading your way with the plank of your platform of doing something that has been proven to be a failure in so many nations and even here in the United States when the Republican Richard Nixon did of putting price controls in. No, I don't think she's drunk in that clip. Unfortunately, I think she's completely sober. That's the old Washington Post put up a slug line. I think it's over the weekend. When your opponents call you a communist, maybe you don't pose price controls out there. I do not think she is drunk in the clip, but I think it may be even more frightening that she is not drunk in the clip. There's price control that CB Carl says, "I sell my fresh eggs for $3 a dozen." If Kamala Harris gets her way, I figure I can probably get $3 an egg on the new black market. That is what's happening in every scenario where you have price controls. Now, to say that the black rocks of the world buying up so much property, being able to fix rents, and remember we had that story three or four months ago about that company they rated that was working, was almost a liaison between companies to fix prices for rents. Now, that breaks that stuff up. I'm for that. I'm for a free market. I've never heard the rest of that story. I need to dig that back up. There was a company that was working with some of the real big home owner, people that owned rental properties, apartments, homes across the country, and they were working between them. They signed on as some kind of contractor with them, consultant, and they were really working with the other companies to price fixed. Now, federal government bust them up. I'm all for that. To go in and say, "Here's what the maximum rent should be," then what happens? Or on food, this is how populism works. I'm sick of paying what I'm paying at the grocery store as well. Absolutely. Sick of paying everything is more. Here I hit at this point in my life, everything's up, and I have a child in college now. Another one, it's brutal. I'm with you. But don't let a politician, no matter what party they would be with tell you, "We're going to fix this for you. I'm going to tell you, we're going to cap the price." It has failed every time. It's failed every time. Let's see here. Ricky with some stuff here. That's not how you spell trillions. I just thought it. Let's see. Jean says, "Jerry," I mean, Jerry Carl, "can only harm Carolyn. Wonder if the 150 aliens in Mobile County will vote for her." I think it was fine. Between the two districts, it's 349. This is what happened when Democrats pushed back against the Save Act in the House. Of course, I'm realistic. I realized it wouldn't make it to the Senate, nor would it have been passed through Biden. I'd like to see them do this when you have somebody who would pass it. You have a Senate in control of Republicans and a Republican president and move this through. Jean, your argument is the same one that was made in Washington. Why should we go through these voter rolls to just make sure that only citizens are voting? There's just not enough of that to make it worth your while. What's the old one you need to take when you're over the target? Jean, if it was one, and the pragmatic argument I think Bradley Bern had made on the show with me last week, pragmatic argument is it can sway an election. I think there's a failure in the pragmatic argument because then you have to get down and wrestle around with you, Jean, in the discussion of, "Well, would these 150 people that are voting illegally make a difference?" I don't care if it's one damn vote. The system is this. You have to be a citizen to vote. Jean, as I said, these aren't illegal aliens that came out in West Allen's report, Secretary of State. These are people here legally. I welcome you. Legal people working in the United States. Cool. You play by the rules. Cool. I'm not a xenophobic bone in my body, Jean. I think it's a great thing. Just follow the rules. Actually, I would like to see if I was in a position in Washington. I would tighten down, tighten down, tighten down Trump style on the border for illegal immigration at the same time. I would look at opening more legal immigration to the United States. We're not going to have you break the law, but if you want to do this legally, here's a process and we're going to try to expedite it to get you in, make sure you're not coming in. So many people coming in too are from not just Central and South America and coming in from China and Russia and many other places. Let's make sure and they're coming in, not legally, which they could do, but they don't want to wait for it. So they just fly into Mexico and come in that way. Jean, explain how if it was just one person who was not a citizen, who was voting in a federal election, that's okay. That's to think this pragmatic argument that's made on both sides. I think it's a failure. I think we need to look at the baseline here of the Constitution, what it means to be an American citizen, what rights come with being an American citizen. And so if it was one, Jean, that's too many. I'm not looking at this as whether the 349, I think, that are in Mobile and Baldwin counties, which would be split, obviously, to some degree between AL2 and AL1 would move the election. We hadn't heard me say that at all, Jean, other than to push back against it, but a system where people who are not citizens are given, they're getting themselves on the roll to be able to vote whether they do or not in a federal election, it's wrong. So Jean, explain why we should have it that way. Supermom says, if you heard Kamala Gush over the yellow school buses, it's worse than the previous clip, she definitely has a bus fixation. Yes, I have heard that, but it's just like those clips are being sent out and people are like, well, don't you think she's drunk here? I don't think she's drunk. That's even scarier. Philip's asking the question somebody asked last hour, said, I was wondering with all this demonstration at the Democrat convention, will they try to blame conservatives? I don't know. Some people will. I mean, if you go on social media spaces, people say everything. You can see this. You know what's bad and bad from the media is when like, who knows if they're even real people? They might be bots, but there are some number of people out of five, 10, 15, 25 on Twitter that say something ridiculous, right? And then you'll take that and write a news story and say, what's trending right now, people are in Twitter saying that it's Republicans that are doing the protest at the convention. Well, like 15 bots on Twitter said that that doesn't mean that people there's an upswell of people, but then that has that you're going to have a response from the other side when it always is all mountains made out of molehills there. So we'll see. We'll see where that goes. I don't know if they started blaming them. I don't know. Does that at the same time, we so much of this is about is Kamala Harris drunk is is is is you know, is Trump this is that the it's what we get away from is talking about things like idea of price caps, idea of where our monetary policy goes, ideas on continuing support for wars around the world, which by the way, it seems that right now, at least what we're getting through the media, right? And I'm part of the media. So getting through us is that Ukraine's holding on there and curse. First reason said last week that the benefit of that would be if they could hold on to it long enough to go to the negotiations, get to the get to the table and trade that for some sort of piece. But remember our country, other EU and EU members and NATO members early on told Ukraine not to not to come to the come to the table. Well, we let it happen the next time. If Ukraine, if Ukraine's successful, I heard somebody say over the weekend, if Ukraine's successful, then they'll say, well, obviously we need to give them more money and additional, you know, additional money, additional military equipment. If it's a stalemate, they'll say, look, right now it's a stalemate. If we give them additional money, it'll help push them over the line. If Ukraine's losing, they'll say, wow, there's no reason now that we shouldn't give them more money because they're losing. So we're going to make sure they'll win. I mean, there's no end to that. All right, come on right back. You're listening to Midday Mobile with Sean Sullivan on FM Talk 1065. All right, welcome back. 3430106. Get you in touch with the show. 3430106 for a text or a good old-fashioned phone call. They'll say hello to my buddy, David McCreary at LCM motor cars. And let's talk trucks, man. How's that inventory looking on trucks? You know, we bought a bunch of trucks last week and they're all here now. So we've got, I mean, we've got Ford, Chevrolet Rams, all people. We got two wheel drive, four wheel drives. We got a small Nissan Frontier SV crew cab. So we've got trucks in $10,000 and up. And to find anything nowadays for 10 grand just doesn't happen hardly. Yeah, I tell you, even people wanted it as a second vehicle, you know, with hunt and season coming up and all that. You're talking a price point that gets people's attention. That's half of what some of these UTVs out there are, you know, and this thing has, you know, doors on it in the windshield. Absolutely. We've also got a regular cab, which these are getting harder and harder to find. We got a regular cab, F-150 with a short box on it. So it's got the short bed, regular cab. You know, people like to jazz them a little gizmo's up and it's a good look, a little truck. All right. We'll tell us how to come look at the trucks and all the other vehicles at LCM. We're at Highway 90 and Plantation and Theodore. It's one miles south of ITNX at 15A. You can give us a call at 251-3750068 or just go website LCM MotorCars.com. Thanks, David. Have a good day, but you too. Dave McCurry, checking in from LCM MotorCars. Right to the text line here and we got my buddy, Mike Bunn from Blakely, historic Blakely State Park, joining us here about 10, 15 minutes away. A lot of cool stuff coming up in the Fort Bims, reenactment that comes up this month as well. He'll talk about that. Let's see here. Texas says, "Do you think Putin will use tactical nukes on Ukrainian incursion?" Don't not just talk about that in the hallway. I don't. I don't. I think that's a protection that the Ukrainians have there. I don't think they will. I really see this as a bargaining chip for Ukraine if they can hold on to it. We'll see. The Russians, and last thing I've read, I get an update overnight from this group out there that don't know. I both subscribe to it. ISW looks like that the Russians have not pulled. The idea was, okay, you gain some purchase in Russia and they're saying that they're taking out the area where the missiles are being launched from in Kursk. But at the same time, you're trying to get the Russian army to pull soldiers from where they're succeeding in the southeast of Ukraine, to pull them over there to Kursk, to alleviate the problem down there. I don't think that has happened. They said they're bringing new troops in from elsewhere in Russia, but not pulling those others off the line. Let's see. James and Sam Trolls had shown. I absolutely agree with your assessment of the Ukraine conflict. I was wondering when we will put those same standards towards Israel, too. You know, my stance, let's take care of Americans for a change. You heard me last week, James, that we, you know, flooding more and more US might, military might, into the region. And you could say, well, Sean, that's just a deterrent. It also puts us in a situation where we can be engaged. It's, it's, it's, I do not, I do not, I think we're well past 50%. You know, I don't think it's 100%, but I think we're well past 50% of having the United States get involved in some broader regional war. Right. Let's see. I don't want to get to this. A lot of text, but I want to come back to my man, Maximus, texted about it, about the celebration of life for the civic center. I'm sorry. It's, it has spent many time, many, many body girl balls and all, and, and hockey and what it take the kids to whatever on ice at the civic center. But this idea that we're going to have like a funeral for it, Maximus, that stupidest thing I've ever heard of for the service at the civic center, typical for the city though. Do you think they're going to drop the idiots moon pie also? Do you think, will you think there'll be a moon pie drop as they start taking parts of the civic center out? This has got, so the note from the city here, let me see. I mean, I just get up instead of even giving you a, I'll give you straight up what I got from the city. So this is reminding everybody, here it is. So this comes with the city mobile city to host a celebration of life for the mobile civic center on August 21st, right? So two days from now, it's going to be, that's Wednesday. Celebration of life service starts at 10 a.m. It's a building, y'all. Said city mobiles hosting a celebration of life on August 21st to recognize the start of the mobile civic center's demolition and celebrate the facility's 60 year legacy. Okay, and then sit on the 30th of July, the city council approved the demolition. Okay, okay. So you're going to have this event, a celebration of life for a building. Maybe I'm missing it. Maybe there's going to be plenty of people say that's absolutely right, Sean. We need to have a like a funeral, an open casket funeral for the civic center. We need that to take place on Wednesday. I just don't see why we need to do that. I mean, it's okay. It's the building. The building's coming down. Got new things happening. It's a building. It is not a human being. I see them as different things. All right. Oh, okay. And this, do we have time? Yeah, I could rush to this. This teacher said, what do you think about Trump trashing the Medal of Honor and veterans? So the clip here, so this happened last week. Can we run the clip? We have time. Okay, we'll run this quickly here. Let's, uh, this is, this is what happened. So this is Trump speaking at a event in Bedminster, New Jersey had this to say he had his guest there, Mira Madelson, and he's, you know, hyping her up. But I really, I have to say Miriam, I watched Sheldon sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom. That's the highest award you can get as a civilian. It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version. It's actually much better because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor that soldiers, they're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets or they're dead. She gets it and she's a healthy, beautiful woman. That's right. And they're rated equal. But she got the Presidential Medal of Freedom and she got it for, and that's through committees and everything else. She's done an incredible job on addiction as a doctor and so many other things that I watched her husband sitting. Okay. So, and there's the basics of the clip. If I am writing comments for Donald Trump to say at a, at any event, I don't write those for him. Is, is that Trump's does, you listen to it? I mean, do I think that's the best way he could have said that? No, absolutely not. So, texture, I agree with you there, but he was trying to, he was trying to, I think, be, I think, I don't know if it was in the guys head half the time, but I think he was trying to be, I guess, light about it maybe and saying, okay, here are these two awards, but, you know, if you get the Medal of Honor, you've seen our heroes that have received the Medal of Honor, what they've gone through, those that have got it while they're alive, obviously, the posthumous ones as well. It's very serious. So, he was saying, okay, well, I can give this award to somebody they don't have to have, to have been shot or, I don't know. I mean, do I think he was doing a great, great service to explain that? No, I don't. Do I think that meant he hated the, or, or, or, look down on the people that received the Medal of Honor? I don't, but it, but would I have chosen different words? Well, I'm sure, sure would have. All right, coming right back. This is Midday Mobile with Sean Sullivan on FMTalk 1065. [Music] Right till 135, FMTalk 1065, Midday Mobile got to have you long, on this Monday edition of the show. Yeah, and, good example here, and I'm just looking through the text line. Lots of text back and forth after playing that clip of, I guess it was last week, and Trump's comment on the Medal of Honor versus the, the, the citizen, the presidential Medal of Freedom. Do I, to the people that are detractors on there, I would not have written it or said it the same way. Absolutely not. I agree with you on that. Do I think that it meant that he didn't respect the people that won the Medal of Honor? I don't. I don't. And maybe that's worth, you know, a follow-up question from somebody. So is he being, trying to be light or flippant? I don't know. I, I guess that's my guess there, but no, it's not the best words at all that he could have said, but I don't think that that meant that he thinks the Medal of Honor is not the most important. I think he's trying to say, well, you don't have to get shot for this one. I mean, it's, it's a subject you shouldn't be flippant about, right? Agreed. But yeah, see people on the text line like, he doesn't look down on them. I didn't get that vibe at all. And other people say, oh, he did. That's why we're in this world. We get to agree and disagree. All right. And then somebody here saying, buddy, tear it down already, let the demo ball fly. You know what? Let's do this. I'm going to bring on our next guest. And this man is he, historian, author, director at Historic Pointley State Park. It's our buddy, Mike Bunn. Mike Bunn, if you looked at the city is Wednesday going to have a celebration of life for the Mobile Civic Center. I guess it's going to be Open Casket. I guess that's the way it's going to be for it. Would this merit you writing historical book about this in the future? The Civic Center. Okay, Sean, I'm good to talk to you. I got to say I'd probably give a pass on reconstructing the events of this Open Casket viewing. I'm sad to say. I just, I mean, the city can do it once. It's fine. It just, I don't know, like I'm going to, I'm going to show up in a gray suit down there. I mean, you know, it's a building. It's a building. I can, yeah, it's not human. All right. So much, so just getting a historian's perspective. So y'all have heard Mike on the show over the years with me, author of how many books now? I mean, it's a ton. I know I've got five or six at my house now. Yeah, I've got, as of this fall, we'll have it up to to even dozen. So you can be in the book of the month club, if you want. Man, I like it a whole bunch. You have a new book coming out about Fort Stoddard. Yeah, that one actually came out just just a few months ago, and I'll be talking about tonight at a mobile civil war area around table. What, tell us about, give us the, give us the hook here on the Fort Stoddard book. What are, what are you going to tell us here about that significant fort in our history? Well, Fort Stoddard is just a, just a crucial landmark. And just by everything that was happening in early Southwest Alabama, a territory period, early state period. And it is the place to which the few survivors of the battle of Fort Mims fled. And we're doing some special cruises of that way at Fort Mims at the reenactment of that battle this weekend. Yeah, the very, I mean, you read those accounts that they were fleeing to Stoddard back then after Fort Bims. And speaking of Bims, this is the month. Yeah, they're doing the big reenactment, do it every year. It's this weekend. I'll be Saturday and Sunday. And we're just excited to partner with folks that run that really important historical landmark up there to help people understand the context of what happened there and the context of what's going on all in the region by getting out on the Alabama River, discovering some historic sites and stories during that reenactment aboard our cruise boat. I need to, y'all will know that, listen a lot here. I'm going to lean on Mike like I lean on John Sledge and ask him this question that they don't have an answer for. Why has nobody made a movie, a Creek Indian War? I mean, this, like in today's world, you start off with the canoe fight, what a scene, right? And go for it. I mean, in the, you know, the Marvel part 16 of whatever superhero it is, they make the make that movie. If you made, I mean, Creek Indian War movie would be incredible. It's a real story with some of the most fascinating characters you'll ever read about. It was a dramatic Native American victory. And it ultimately led to the beginning of what we know as the trail of tears. So it's got a lot of rich history, incredible poignant story, incredible people. So the short answer is I don't know. But it makes a good topic. I keep, I sit down and start the first paragraph or two of my treatment for it that I, you know, that I have to go mow the lawn or something, but eventually maybe I'll under your tutelage work on the screenplay there. The things y'all do with historic state park at Blakely, you got the reenactment, of course, of the battle, but you have taken, yes, the broader footprint, right, with your cruises out there, whether you're going to the Indian mounds or you're talking about going to Fort Stoddard or even the Clotilda part of this as well. You take folks on the, on the boat there. Yeah, our boat has enabled us to basically interpret and help people understand and appreciate and explore the entire mobile tensile delta and all the way out into the bay. And we're very proud of that. We cruised 12 months out of the year. We've got over three dozen different cruises that are standard cruises we run from four permanent docks. And we're always adding more and we can charter things. So we're really proud that that boat has enabled us to tell our story and tell other regional stories in a unique way. I mean, our story is one, I mean, if you look at history, I don't know many stories you can tell and books you've written that don't have something to do with the water, right? The reason I mean, you know, Wilson said why we're here, the title of the book. I mean, that's why we're here, the rivers, the bay. Yeah, no doubt. It is all interconnected. It's a shared heritage and a unique region that has a lot of similarities throughout it. And it's all interconnected. And that's what we're bringing to people when we're taking them out on those waterways. When you get people on that on the boat, how many of them have never seen the delta before? I mean, I'm looking for a number, but I mean, are there people each time they go, I didn't know this was out here kind of thing? Oh, oh my goodness. Yeah, there's a whole lot of people. And you come constantly surprised how many that have passed by all these waterways on bridges and everything and even worked in downtown Mobile for years and years, but never seen it from the water side or never been in some of the rivers that that drained this area into Mobile Bay. So it's always a treat for them to get to see it. And that's sort of the fun in it. This discovery, it's educating people about where they're from. And it's a really unique environment, really unique heritage. And you get to appreciate it in a different perspective when you're on the water. And people asking to hear about the so y'all partnering and involved with the Fort Minnes reenactment. So that's a two a two part right? I mean, it's two days of this going on. Yeah, it's Saturday and Sunday. And then they do a whole program. They interpret the battle itself and a bear that battle that occurred just prior to it. And they've got vendors up there and other educational programs going on. And what we've done is just schedule some boat cruises that will allow people who want to see the highlight events at the reenactment to board our boat about a mile away from Fort Minnes itself on Holley Creek Landing and be able to take some cruises and kind of take in everything in the day. Okay, how long, like from the, if somebody's planning that and I know they can go, you're going to tell me where they can go get signed up. But like, what's that day and what time do I get there? What time do I head back? Like, you know, if I'm planning on my day? Well, we've got three different cruises. We're running and we're running them at multiple times during the day. So the easiest thing I could say is go to our website, BlakelyPark.com. Go to the events page and you will look for those three cruises that we have at different times on Saturday and Sunday. They're associated with Fort Mims, but that's where our boat's going to be all weekend. So all the upcoming cruises this weekend will be at Fort Mims. Just look at BlakelyPark.com and you can pick the time that works best for you. Okay. So yeah, not the normal location at Spanish Fort. You can be a. Yeah, we'll never be running up on the Alabama River of Fort Mims. You know, of course, up in Tinsau, Alabama. And so we're going to take our boat up there and it will be running out of a landing that is very, very close to Fort Mims. Very easy to find. It's less than a mile away. It's called Holley Creek Landing. No, well, I want to also talk about I guess it was last week. I heard a story. We had the big go-based money rollout that was discussed here. You know, the everybody who's politically aligned showed up for, you know, dole out money because everybody likes that. It's good for politics. But I heard something in the listing of all those things. I said, well, that's really cool. The juggler, tell me what you do. I mean, is it going to be houseboats or what are y'all doing with this? We're going to do a major waterfront access project where we're going to improve what we have, add more to it. And one of the most compelling portions of the whole thing is that one of those adding to it components will be the addition of some floating cabin, some basically some houseboats that you can rent in the layman's terms. That will be a really neat way to explore the river, get acquainted with the park, be able to bring your boat up if you want to go out. And you'll have much more nice modern facilities. We've got some good stuff now. It's only going to get better, and that's going to be a high-line attraction of the park, we believe. Yeah. And the last time we talked, I think the cabins on land have been pretty popular. They're going well, very well, very popular amenities here. So this would be something with the houseboats that I could rent. And like you said, come up in the boat, we'll stay the weekend or something like that, or? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We look at it as basically in our terms, we're just building for more cabins that need to be cleaned and set, but they just happen to be floating. And some of the best views you're going to get are the tensile river and the mobile tensile delta will be on those things. Excited about that. Do you have a, yeah, I know you're probably like, oh, don't add. What's the timeline on those? Well, I'm hoping that we can complete the entire project within two years or less. There's a whole lot of things that you have to go through to build something like that. So not in control of all those deadlines, but we think that we can get them up and running by 2026, we hope. All right. That is exciting. And I mean, there's been so much growth. I'm thinking about over, yeah, you live it every day. Is it five years or 10 years? It's just been, like there's always new news coming out of Blakely. Well, that's our goal here is every day that we're here. We're trying to work to improve and it's snow just, you know, just canned statement. We're trying our best to have big goals and make big things happen and work every day to improve the park because we think that it's, you know, there would never be a day where we've completed everything we could do to make it better. So some of those things are small, some are big. And right now we're getting into some really big ones and it's really exciting. All right, Ted, tell folks who once again, to get booked for the, for this weekend for the, to come up and get on the boat at Fort Mims, where do they go? Blakelypark.com and go to the events page. Okay. And then we couldn't finish this up with now the book of the month club here. So people would, I mean, I've gotten your books through you. I've gotten through local booksellers, but I mean, if somebody says, Hey, man, where do I get your books? Well, one of the best places to go has them all is to this amazon.com and I'll be talking with you here on the fall. I've got to coming out on this area, a mobile and a tensile river that will be in some local bookstores for sure. And we'll talk about those when they get out, but some of the area local bookstores have mine, but amazon.com will have all of the things that published listed. Good stuff. And then the next edition I'm just looking at you all is going to be the book about the Civic Center funeral that happens on Wednesday. Yeah, good for that. There'll be a 300 page tome, you know, commemorating this work again. Mike has always been, I appreciate our conversations. Hope to see you this weekend. All right, thank you. All right, there goes Mike Bond. That's cool. And if you've not never been to Fort Mims reenactment, you know, I need to take the boy. Maybe I'm going to go this weekend. Yeah, wait, wait, we'll do that. Coming back, it's time for a checkup right here on FM Talk 1065. This is midday mobile with Sean Sullivan on FM Talk 1065. Welcome back to midday mobile and time for a checkup. And good to see Dr. Reese Jones from Southern Cancer Center in studio to talk about a question that I had for somebody who was in here, I don't know, a year ago, your compatriot here, Dr. McAvoy. Good to see you. Thank you. Thanks for having me. So Dr. Dr. Jones, this question was one that came up and I, you know, there's so many things that y'all do at Southern Cancer Center that are like, just have me ask the next question, next question, next question, cutting edge technology. But one that maybe goes back to the root is ask this question. If you took cancer cells out of, I don't know how we got on this, but I said, if you took the cancer cells out of my body and put them in somebody else's body or vice versa, they wouldn't survive. It's worth it. Why? I mean, it's cancer with the body. The body has a natural immune system. And so when the immune system is intact, if you put a foreign cell into that body, it's going to kill it. It's going to get rid of it. And whether that's a cancer cell or the cell of another person, any normal cell. So hits like when we do organ transplants or bone marrow transplants. Always looking for a match, right? You have to have a match, but then you also have to really suppress the host, meaning the person receiving the cell, you have to suppress their immune system. Otherwise, the immune system will kill off whatever is put into that person's body. Okay. So, but how is it that so that cancer that forms, let's say in my body and I put it in your or vice versa and it kicks it out. How does it exist without my body seeing that cancer and the immune system attacking it? Well, so the cancer forms within your body's, you know, normal cells, what was essentially originally a normal cell that has now become an abnormal cell. So the body, the immune system sees it as one of its own, it's shielded. Right. And then the cancer also has a way of basically in a complicated form, but simplistic explanation is the cancer has a way of applying a brake mechanism to the body's natural immune system. Okay. So it'll suppress the immune system and keep the immune system from attacking it. You know, cancer is smart. It's always trying to figure out a way to live. It just wants to live and grow. So that's where, you know, we get into, you know, probably the biggest advancement in my career over the past 20 years has been a mean therapy. And so a mean therapy, you know, I mentioned that brake mechanism that cancer applies the immune therapy in a complicated way releases that brake mechanism. So then it allows the body's natural immune system to see the cancer cell is foreign and to attack it and kill it all. So this is the immune, immune therapy that we're giving now, like I'll be a mean therapy. There's different drugs out, but, you know, let's just take melanoma, which is kind of where immune therapy really originally got started. Okay. Because melanoma, when I first started practice, if you got medicine at melanoma, no one lived over six to nine months. Yeah, there was, there was really bad. Yeah, it didn't work well. It made you sick. But then we're seeing patients with stage four melanoma who are, you know, are they cured? I don't know, but they're 10 years out. Wow. Wow. From six to nine months to 10 years. Right. And so is that the norm? Not always, but it's not uncommon for a melanoma patient, metastatic melanoma patient to live for several years because you're letting the body's immune system attack the cancer cell. And for the most part, you know, the body has natural homeostasis. So it's not going to overdo that immune response. Now, sometimes you do get, I guess, a little bit too much of a good thing and you can get some autoimmune type issues, which can affect the skin, the GI tract. You know, we do see, it's not uncommon to see some endocrine problems. The immune system will attack the thyroid gland, the adrenal gland. And so you have to. Wonder why it sees it and thinks it's, it's just any kind of autoimmune, like thyroid problems, a lot of times are autoimmune. So just kind of the things that wouldn't more commonly be autoimmune anyway. Okay, that's sweet of things that we're right. So like rheumatoid arthritis. Yeah. Let's just take that for example. That's a pretty common disease. You know, I've got a guy right now, he's a rheumatoid arthritis patient. He's got metastatic cancer and I have him on a mean therapy. So we try to find that balance because it ramps up his room toward arthritis. Right. But it's keeping his cancer. Yeah, I mean, you're an option. So we just have to walk the line, you know, you have to, because of room toward arthritis, the treatment is immune suppressants, various immune suppressants, but you're trying to suppress the immune system. But if you do that too much, then you can the cancer and the effect of the immune therapy. And this immune therapy, this is what you do a good job putting it in language I can understand. But the the breaks that the cancer was putting on the immune system, you know, limit. So this immune system goes, Oh, there's the cancer. Right. It can then just like see it for lack of a better term. It's like you're taking the blindfold off. And then the body goes to work the way it would spread and belong here. Let me get rid of it. That it's like no, it's phenomenal. Yeah, it's kind of it's a it's a let in the body do, you know, I want to say holistic because sometimes, but it is that kind of idea like the body is to be able to take a cancer that should kill you within a year and you live years and years with a treatment that doesn't as a general rule doesn't cause much in the way of side effects. I mean, it's that's the perfect combination. I mean, because the treatment is opening this gateway for the immune system to do to see the cancer and do do the job for us that it's supposed to do. And that's, you know, like melanoma, a lot of times, it's just immune therapy by itself. There's certain diseases that say long cancer. A lot of times you have to combine it with chemotherapy. Okay. Just to get the additive effect. So there certainly are times where you have to add chemotherapy into it. But you know, you can give chemo and immune therapy for a while and then taper the chemo off and put them on maintenance and mean therapy. I mean, there's just there's different ways to do it for different diseases. But I mean, it's by far and away the biggest advancement in the last several decades. And this is where we're I mean, cancer treatment. This has to be where we're going. I know y'all we have been where we are. And then it's certainly the future. Immune therapy is one thing. Now we're doing it gets a little bit more complicated, but there's therapy like called CAR T therapy. And so what what CAR T is is you it's a way of manipulating the immune system to recognize that individual cancer. And so you're removing cells from the body. You're basically adding something to them to hype them up against the cancer and then putting them back in the body. It's a it's a cool way to take it. Okay, Dr. So you're just taking about they're making them super cells and putting them back in. Right. This is cool. So in we're doing that a lot now for it's more hematologic malignancies, myeloma lymphomas, you know, some leukemias, but it's being looked at in solid tumors as well. And so it's it's in the same processes in immune therapy, but you're like you said, you're turning the immune system into a super weapon, so to speak. Right. And so you take they take those cells out, they go to boot camp or whatever and get you pull them out, you genetically engineer them, so to speak, put them back in the body and off they go. Wow. Okay. The advances are are basing people want to talk with you all at Southern Cancer Center. How do they reach out and find out more? We have website. I mean, you know, we have locations in Baltimore County and Mobile County, several physicians. We do medical oncology, radiation oncology. We do it all. So, um, let's look us up and call us if you need us. Good stuff. Dr. Reese Jones, thanks for your time. Thank you.