You're listening to big blend radios lost angel travel adventures show with Linda balloon travel writer and author and your host Lisa Smith Welcome everybody today. We've got Linda balloon taking us on a river rat journey River ensures and that's what and asked because Alinda blue loves to go out on rivers apparently because she's got this awesome article that is up on national part traveling calm Where she talks about some of her favorite river experiences. She also writes them in her lost angel travel adventure book series So welcome back Linda. How are you? I get to call you a rat, but it's a river rat. Isn't it? What where did you start your love for rivers? Well, my first river was the American River that's in California and it's a pretty mild one It's a really good one for beginners And it takes you through the gold country and Sutter's mill and a lot of California history And it's very mild, you know families go on it with little kids but it it got me a taste of being on the water and you know with the excitement of The journey of being on a river going through gorgeous country. So that was my first taste of river rafting And was that more than a day like because sometimes people do That was like a half day. Yeah, no later on then of course I went on great Journeys like we're in the Grand Canyon. We're looking at the Grand Canyon here and that was an expedition Grand Canyon expeditions and that was like I think I think it was 11 days on the river So, yeah, I progressed How did they do 11 days and and the mighty Colorado River? I was yeah Um, it the Colorado River is like the Nile of America. I think well it is it is and the thing about The river that river particularly is that it takes you on a journey And once you're on the river, you leave civilization behind Totally unplugged There is no cell phone. There is no cell phone. There is no internet. There's no people Jogging your consciousness to call you back From the wilderness, you know, I mean I need that I Personally need that to happen every once in a while That I'd be totally unplugged from civilization and the grand canyon is the granddaddy of all the rivers in north america and uh, it is A transformational journey and the thing about rivers that I love One of the many Is that once you're on the river You're committed To the journey you're committed to letting the river take you where it will And losing control you're not in control anymore, you know, the river is You have to coexist with the water. Well, you have to be you know paying attention and uh, it's good to have Certain skills and you know awareness and nature But it doesn't it's really not too tough, you know to be carried along on a river That's the other thing I love about rivers. It's easy You know, it's not like hiking up, you know a mountain It's you know, you go with the flow and yes, you might have to pay attention when you get to some rapids But that's really fun. You know, I mean, uh, that's you know, the other thing that I love about rivers Is um that it keeps you riveted in the moment Now you you have to pay attention to what you're doing And even though, um, you'll have some serene glides and you know time for rubber-necking You'll hit some rapids and then you wake up and you have to pay attention and it does take a certain, you know amount of skill But the most important thing is You are living in the moment, which I think is with the internet and all of the Things going on in our civilized world Um Your mind doesn't get to rest So this is an opportunity for you to be focused On the moment and be riveted and not to be interrupted by You know, ping, you know, some of the things you can't ding dong. Yeah, well, I want to talk to me. Oh, okay So, yeah, and then of course, it's the fact that you're they're beautiful Yeah I love it. Yeah. Yeah. So the secret to youth by the way Is to fill your mind with beauty. Oh good. I'm so glad you said that I'm about to have a very big birthday So you just made me feel better that what I'm on the right path I want the secret To come back to you Yeah, that's right is to fill your mind with beauty and that could be Natural beauty, but it could be the smile of a baby. It could be a painting It could be music. It could be many things but Truly The secret to staying youthful in heart and mind Is to fill yourself with beauty beautiful things Not things necessarily places experiences Yeah, I like the experience work too. You know going on the rivers. There's something that it's it's humbling to me I've done more of the kayak kind of thing And to me it's humbling and you've become it's almost like you're more part of nature and you're seeing A different perspective Like you're saying you have to be aware But rapids and things like that that could be a little challenging and that could give you a little bit of that fear Which is an adrenaline rush because if you're challenged and you have a little fear And then you get through it. Isn't that kind of a buzz? Absolutely. Sure. That's part. That's the fun, you know, it's just fun, you know when you survive death When you survive, you know a near death experience it always makes you feel more alive But you know, of course I have the closest The wildest rapid that I have been on was the lava falls in the Grand Canyon and people have died there That is serious. That's exciting And the good news is at the end of the run It's the last rapid So at least you've done the river before you died But the thing is is what they do is you get out you pour it you go up You've got these look over the top you take a peek the guide decides whether or not he's going to take the raft with all the passengers in it Or if he's going to take the boat down and you're going to walk over the top, you know, and he takes a look at it But the Colorado river is pretty controlled because there's the dam and so they they control the the water level in there Uh, but it's still a very dangerous fall But that's why we want to do stuff like that. It's it's so funny to talk like that You know, but you've done you've done like the green river the american river Colorado river Santa so you've done a lot here, but then also Costa Rica other places in the world too And I'd like to talk about them individually because the thing about rivers is that they're all different unique that each offer you a different experience So, um the next big river When I became a travel rider, I was um in the airport on my way down to seek kayak and baha, which isn't a river Uh, but a very exciting experience Um, we won't go there today because we're I want to talk about the green river and the man who Uh, the guide for the green river invited me to go and I went gee I They were kayaked on a river before uh, and then I went okay. Great. That sounds wonderful And it's through the labyrinth canyon Just outside of moquab Now at that time moquab was not run over by tourists right now. It's it's really It's fine to get into canyon lands, but the green river starts out above Uh, uh, moquab area and you you go back down into it through the labyrinth canyon, which is When I was on the green river it We were the only ones on the rivers our group of I think it was like four kayaks or five kayaks Uh on the river with the exception of a couple who were kayaking together Now I had never done a solo kayak before when I was in the sea of Cortez I was in the guide's boat because I was a weenie travel writer and wasn't strong enough To do it So to prepare for the green river and this is what i'm suggesting people do Is you know, I a friend had a kayak and on a lake that was local And I kayak around the island in this lake, which of course was nothing compared to what the green river was going to be Right But it gave me, um, practice on the skills And let me know whether or not I really wanted to do this if I was up for it If I really think I could do it and so on so Being once again, I love the outdoors. I'm not the strongest person in the world. So, um, I went Okay, so I'm going And, uh, it was an incredible experience. The green river is no rapids. The green river is a serene Rivers, I won't say it's there's a very strong flow to it, but it's very cool. There are no rapids And it takes you through this magnificent canyon with Things that look like Egyptian pharaohs and nephritite at the top and it was a canyon where Uh, the hole in the wall gang hid out and They had moon shiners and there they say that there are still whiskey kegs buried there and if Cool. Don't dare drink it. Oh, yeah, I wouldn't like a flat Yeah, really That's fun So I did, uh, there was a little bit of, um, danger involved in this journey because there were snags of trees Submerged on the side of the river. So if you got caught in one of those that was going to be Uh, you know a hazardous position to be and of course, of course, I got stuck in one, but I survived now. I also, um And you got excited afterwards, didn't you? I did Yes, I got snags I also got a little tendinitis on that trip. So that's one thing about kayaking because it was like a I think we were on the river for four days And so you have to, you know, really analyze yourself and see, you know, you have to think about Going on a river you have to look into it And I always check out the outfitters and the guides and read their reviews and you know Because it's a commitment to to be on a river for for three or four days or a week And so you want to know that you're going with people who are are careful about it and you know experience professional guides who know the river And so, uh, this man definitely was Um, a really wonderful guide and overall it was a fantastic experience I'm just mentioning we slept under the stars on sandy beaches. We're all by, you know, just us. We had it all to ourselves and it was a really uh Head spinning kind of experience To be there at night and you know the heavens So no no signs of civilization what so ever and I like Aspect. Yeah, now the green may be more heavily populated at this time Um, the company I went with is not doing it, but this uh, I think it's Sandra Griffin I put the link in the article. She does the green river today So that was the green Then, um Let's see. I the salmon river Is a magnificent river that I think anyone can do But it's a big river. It's it's it's bold and it it you know There's a section of it. I think they call it the upper salmon That is very a lot of rapids and only professional kayakers should go. You know, should do that one But the salmon main is pretty much doable by anybody That wants to go. Mm-hmm. In fact, there was uh, an 85 year old woman there who was a senator And she had a following of about five ladies who were you know older And um, they called themselves the river spirits And they would go to a different river every year And they were dedicated river routes and um, they loved it and she was great I mean, she hadn't didn't have a great deal of mobility, but all you got to do is get in and out of the raft You know, you have to paddle a little bit, but not because you're going with the flow All right, the river is carrying you and this the salmon takes you through a very rugged wilderness area And um, it's very special it can only be gotten You can only get there by the river You know, there are some trails in but they're very very rugged So I wanted to read this this little piece. Yeah About the salmon about being what book are you reading it from which one? Um, I think this is in lost angel walk about okay Okay, so adventure travel writer tim k hill Says that wilderness wilderness adventures are our last chance to regain control of our lives Exhilarated to be in charge of my own destiny I maneuvered my little plastic boat through the waves and down the salmon river that has taken many lives And when you're in a kayak You are not on the water, but in it The bubbles are foam bursting around me smelled the con from the red mud clouding the river Run off from a recent rain Small waves beat the bottom of my boat like a washboard while high rollers threw me lurching forward Without the benefit of a spray skirt water gushed across the bow and onto my legs My attention was riveted on what challenges salmon might put before me She forced my mind to let go of all nagging circular thought And demanded I pay strict attention to her whims Her roiling boils wanted to spin me Sets of waves tried to knock me sideways Her swift current threatened to slam me into jagged rocks After floundering in a few backetis, I found the bubble line that indicates where the current is strongest And rode the flow of the main artery in the center of her heaving breast As long as I stayed the course she pulled me forward Carrying me effortlessly with ceaseless energy Between the rapids around each meandering turn in the river I was treated to a serene glide past an ever-changing panorama Shady draws up slot canyons blanketed in green that beg to be explored Sparkling creeks tumbling over boulders rushing to join the main salmon Big yellow butterflies and green dragonflies wafted by on a warm wind The chuck the cluck of tuckers Plump game hints with chicks hopping behind them along the shore Were the only sounds I heard beyond the low rumble of white water still ahead A golden eagle willed about the arid cracks Grags poking into a cloudless blue sky in my kayak I felt a part of nature rather than a casual observer And reveled in the powerful sensation Of womaning my own craft She's a woman in the boat Yes, so I got to say I was in a rubber ducky at that point Now you didn't have to get into your solo craft. I wanted to You could stay in the big raft with put the other people The sensible people But I really wanted to man my own woman my own Kayak It was really fun. It was exciting, you know, I felt, you know I'd really learned how to maneuver the river and there's you know, it was just great I just really really really enjoyed and treasured the experience I think it's great that you did it before you went You know, because you've got to get into in sync and know what you're doing when you get out on water And and just get into it naturally, you know, what I mean that you went in right and checked it out before you went going on the adventure and go I've never seen a kayak before, you know, so I mean it really should And I've seen people in the offices, you know, get into bad places because they haven't, you know Prepared themselves for the adventure. Well, maybe a kayaking or hiking or horseback riding or whatever So now you've got some rivers that you've run that I can't pronounce their names You get to do it We're talking about the pecari That sounds good. That's that's one of them The pecari river, okay. The pecari river may be my all-time favorite river for a lot of reasons Even though it's just a day trip It's a day trip out of san josea Costa Rica So if you go to Costa Rica, you likely land in san jose And if you do there are local guides who will take you out for a day to the raft the pecari river and it is just Such a sparkling frothy flow. I mean if the water is clean and brilliant and it's a narrow Channel that takes you through undisturbed rain forest And so you will see sloths, you know, you will see monkeys You will see blue morpho butterfly is wafting across And you will get wet because there's big rapids since it goes to at least four Uh, I don't think there's a five on there, but it is frothy And you okay, you will have some real excitement on this river. It is so much fun Uh, but even do they have crocodiles there? Don't they have crocodiles? Not in this river. This is a fast-moving River that goes down a mountain. So it's not like a lazy sloppy place where i would get it hang out Uh, we were I was on river cruises where I saw plenty of came in and Crocodiles, but no, you're not going to find this in a fresh water fast flowing river. You will You know, so if you fall in the river, it's not a bit in fact at the end of our uh rush In a adrenaline rush was really fun um You say they land in a place where you have a swimming area where it's calm enough where you can hop out of the vote and vote for a swam Underneath a waterfall and have a picnic lunch. I mean, it was just one of the real highlights for me for for Costa Rica Uh, when I was last there um, I did the sera piqui river Also in Costa Rica, but more north and into the uh tropical rainforest And it was a much wider channel and so in the the the the rapids were like a two to three Was the piquari was for a three to four Yeah, maybe even a five. I don't know I generally uh will only go to three to four rivers Five and six is really getting up there to be quite dangerous. Although I think the grand canyon is considered As you know, can be as six at certain places, you know, there are a lot of rapids on the on the run down the canyon and and So there are different ratings their rivers are rated one to six Six being the you know, the most difficult So yeah, the the sera piqui river was just a walk You know a piece of cake and walk in the park and at that particular moment in my life. It was perfect uh, you know because I had had some health issues and so it was nice just to Just to get out of nature and you know have a gentle Uh, you know beautiful seining glide with a few rapids here and there to cool you off and so they're all different levels of rivers I wished that I had been able when I was younger and stronger to do the fataluba river Which is an amazing river in south america in the chilli lake district and so It is a five and six so that Even even when I was younger, maybe that would Well, you know, I watched this and i'm x and i'm x theater years ago. This guy who kayaked the nyle I know the nyle looks really calm, but some of the stuff he was doing. I mean he was just going right down like waterfalls I mean i'm looking at this going you're some crazy out there, man. You're crazy Yeah, but he was happy. He was like, I did it man. How do you do it? It's like Yeah, you know, but I mean some people raft is down busy. You won't mind me doing that Yeah, right. There's there's yeah, there's different ones, you know, but I think you choose what you can and what you want What is the other one that I can't pronounce? I can't touch touch Oh the touch and she knew for heaven's sake that is that is The most incredible journey Through the largest wilderness area left in north america crossing international border as part of it is in in uh, Canada and Part of it is in Alaska. It runs the run On the touch and she knew that is available through chilli cat guides in the little town and other companies But that's who I went with Because i'm from hanes alaska Yeah It runs from the ucon Down to the gulf of alaska And I think that was about 10 days on the river and That was a transformational trip for me, you know My mother had done it when she was like about 65 I remember I think this is one of the first stories i've read of yours other than your books your novel I think this is one of the first stories My mom, you know, she was quite quite an adventure You know, funny. Oh, right. So he uh Didn't when she was about 65 and she said, oh, that was just a walk in the park There were some glaciers and um, you know, and the cooks were great. The guides were cute. I had a wonderful time Okay So I didn't think it was any big deal But the first day out We were in huge rapids and we almost lost the boat And I was like bailing for my life, you know, water in the front of the boat And I was like, oh my god This is what this is going to be for the next 11 days. That's the other thing you're committed You're committed once you get on the river. You're not, you know, the guys not going back You're not going to take you back. You know, you have to be prepared to stay through This is where evacuation insurance comes in Well, this one there were no helicopters. This was in the wilds of The wildest of the wilds. The wildest of the wilds that we have left. Okay in this world and Um, oh, it's wonderful. I mean once we got through those big rapids at the opening We went into a really serene glide and there were birds following our raft is a huge Everything in Alaska is big. Okay. The kingfishers were huge following in front of us The eagles were circling around, you know, the all sorts of different animals We saw bear standing on the shore, you know watching us go by Like grizzlies or like grizzlies like grizzlies Big honking big bears Don't mess the type you don't mess with right? That's right And we had bear when we were intense in beach camps And there were bear tracks in the morning, you know, they would come around camp and you had to be very careful You couldn't you couldn't even you know, if you had a candy bar in your tent, you were asking for trouble, you know It's like they can smell it and they will come after you, you know after anything And it's no problem for them to tear your tent apart So, but they were there, but they didn't trouble us We went for a hike at one point and we saw a mama bear. That was a black bear mama bear with cubs Across the way, which of course you stay stay away Yeah, but then from our camp one one night We were watching on across the other side of the river was a flat plane and we saw a mama moose Baby calf Going don't mess with her either Going quickly across the flats and then we saw why because a bear was in pursuit Wow, you know after the baby So yeah nature's cruel But this particular region When I entered this region, I was an adventure drunkie like my mother and uh After there was a crisis going on in this part of the world at that time And that is they were wanting to put a mine up above the Chantan Chaney river That was copper mine and they would run the um toxic waste Down to Haynes, Alaska And the stuff would be go out of the port there and that was going to Change this whole world, you know, it was going to really end this river Which of course was one of the free flowing last of the real free flowing rivers where salmon Can come up from the gulf. So there were a million reasons why this was a bad idea It was a terrible idea and it was a Canadian consortium that was Going to do this On the top of windy craggy mountain. So which was at the confluence I could see the top of the mountain because we were on the river and you know, I could physically see these things that I had I was aware of it. I had actually Uh, been researching the area for my book. I was writing and I ran into this trouble um, so I Got involved with the conservation of this region Uh, because it was really so special and not just because it was my hometown And um, I got involved with articles and things and uh, I I'm very proud to have a letter from out gore who Some people may remember his book in convenient truth And he was in communication with the premier of canada the prime minister of canada And between the two of them they stopped this So I'm proud to have that letter. So I became an environmentalist is the point being in this area seeing it I needed to be part of saving it. I couldn't just sit back and go. Oh gee whiz, you know, they're They're going to destroy One of the last remaining wilderness areas left in the world for god's sakes So, um, you know that we were carrying on down the river. We went to glaciers. We got out of the boat We liked up when wow the glaciers museum We camped out where we could hear the calving going and all the glaciers calving all night long like thunderous calving and Creating waves very very exciting to be in a rubber raft with bird bit bouncing off of bird bit I must say it was a phenomenal journey now that journey is definitely not for everyone But if you're a true adventurer and you want to experience the last Of what was gorgeous. It's fantastically beautiful. The fair weather range is Framing this is on the south side of the river And it looks like a fairy land that you know, it's Is you know listening with snow and it's Looks like a snow castles, you know, it's it's really quite a phenomenal thing and of course there's wildflowers Uh, you know how beautiful it is in nature and like I say in Alaska Everything is big big flowers Mm. That's awesome big birds big, uh big animal mosquitoes big mosquito You know frankly we didn't have a lot of problem on maybe the time well maybe because you're not a moving area Yeah, you're moving. Yeah, we did we would only stay in a camp one night And then we were on Uh to the next and when you're on the river you have a nice breeze going Um, it wasn't like I didn't have to wear a mosquito net or any of that stuff Um, I I don't remember the mosquitoes being a huge problem on that trip But I do remember when we landed at the place where we were our takeout point We were at a little Cabin there in the middle of wilderness where a plane was to come and pick us up And it did and there was while we were there. There was a big honking Grizzly bear. There were so many bears in this area. I couldn't believe that's cool though And one of the guests ran up up to him to get his Kodak moment and I would I I I started screaming Get back Yeah, we can run 30 miles an hour and they're gonna get Good grizzlies are grumpy. So when we flew out of there I was amazed at how many bears I could see down below in in these kind of wetland areas That's amazing. It was really unbelievable. So there you have it. That's awesome The tach and sheenie out of hanes alaska. That's Well, this I think you bring up such a good point I remember this definitely was something we talked about and when we first connected I think and Reading about that and connecting it also with what's happening in the grand canyon for years NPCA the national parks conservation association has done a stellar job of really protecting the grand canyon from uranium mining And what happens you've got to think about this waterway. So when when you're you're mining your waterways the pollution just It's going, you know, we've done so many Shows on rivers. Um, there was a river in virginia. I'm gonna think it was a western I'm gonna say I'm gonna get it wrong. So I'm just not gonna I think it was a james james river and That's a beautiful river that I'd like to kayak. Oh my gosh Um They were there were huge farms that pig slaughtering houses and they were dumping the slop into the water And so we were doing things on that and it's like Waterways water is life To go to access pipeline Yeah, that's the other thing. I let's go back to the labyrinth canyon I didn't mention it because it was a negative aspect of the journey But we went through an area where there was uranium mining in the 50s And uh, the guide was telling us one of the ladies that he took out through the green Wanted to go there because her husband worked in the mines and he became very ill from doing that And died sooner than he needed to, you know And she wanted to go there because he loved the canyon in spite of the fact that he got ill there because the canyon itself was beautiful But the uranium mining was very dangerous. And so they shut down those mines but they created mountains of uranium palings Mountains said them covered with dirt and that Now when I wrote the article years ago and I don't know if they fixed it because I've checked back a couple of times The remediation of that is still in place. They haven't figured out what to do and it is seeping into the waterways You know, it is is still that is part of humans water Part of the water we have 40 was it the book I read recently said we had 40 million straws in the Colorado river And of course, you know keeping it clean is imperative But I don't know if they have at this juncture remediated those Mountains of tailings from the 1950s. Well, that's what they wanted to start all over again And that's what they use it as an example to help prevent uranium mining today And it's an ongoing and it goes with Every time you have a new person running the state Arizona as well as Federally it changes and so you know, you think you've won like they want to do that They want to frack Outside Chaco Canyon in northern New Mexico They've been wanting that for years and so we've been fighting that and so You think you've won and then here comes the new regime and it starts all over again Well, you know, do you remember that they have to remember that They're trying to put a mine in again up in the touch and sheenie wilderness area See we have to all stay fiddled You have to keep fighting That's right They're relentless and they don't care because it's money. We have to care You know, I mean, I don't have children. It's not to me the future for my children It's just that I can't stand the thought of these areas being destroyed Right, you know, I mean, it's it's just you don't have to have children care You know, it's it is about, you know, if you're saving nature in the environment, you're saving humanity Period, right. So for future generations to have the experiences I feel so fortunate to have had the experiences. I've had nature Especially the touch and sheenie is such a special Experience as I say, yeah, there was some roughness about it Um, you know, there was some ruggedness about it, but it was such an adventure And I got to see places in a way that most human beings never will So I feel very very very lucky about that and and the the guides were good cooks Just like my mother said, that's all she cared about where they good cooks like that. Oh, yeah But she said they were cute. Were they cute? Oh, they were very cute. Actually one guy was so adorable I didn't understand it. I have a park ranger friend and she said because It was before we went back on the tour, you know of the parks and Nancy and I went to saw our own national park We'd done this day of adventure and we could never go home and go back to work We just could never once you're out Like you can't go home until it's dark And you don't even want to go home then because once you're out, you just don't want who wants to go home When you're out of nature, right? And so We we knew we were gonna go and it was like one of our last moments of Saguaro National Park which is down the road from our home and I think we had a bottle of champagne and we had a rattlesnake You know climb over my foot and into little picnic area We were we had to jump out a little it's like a little rock cabin thing You know a little Ramada had to jump out of there because the snake came and said it was it was cool It was a cool adventure, right? We're running down And then we get into go in the car and the battery had gone dead, which I just went through again Last time I you just now just happened again. And um So the the cell service was barely anything You're in the middle of nowhere in the desert and they're gonna close things on you Well, somehow I managed to get through the visitor center And here comes the night in shining armor in a you know polished off nps national park service police car, right? He's one of the security He comes in freshly cleaning must have just come on shift And he's like, do you need me to give you a jump start? And I'm like, oh sure You get jumped on me anytime you want and so but Anyway, so I was telling a friend of mine about this and she says Lisa They do pick them to be cute. There's a reason for it. They do what It's an actual part of the protocol. You got to be cute to be a ranger I thought that was hysterical. She's yeah, because they are rock stars of the parks I mean if you go out with a ranger, everybody wants to stop the ranger The guides the talk refer to themselves as river gods. Oh, you know, oh well Honey, that's funny. I want people They are all pretty fit, you know, they have to be fit to be doing it and they love what they're doing It's just great fun for them and you know, so So I can't recommend rivers enough for people as a way to Get, you know, give yourself some complete relaxation and explore the world in a very special way You can canoe them. You can kayak you could tube them, which is also cool I mean we were just in Asheville, North Carolina And here at the swananoa river meaning the the broad the french broad turns out is one of the most ancient Rivers in the world, which I didn't know until I started doing research and it was women Who protected the river and said okay if the community starts to use the river They have to clean the river and they fix the river these women two women Yeah, let's start it up parkway It's beautiful and while we were there photographing I just saw all these people just relaxing there were summer storms happening, but they didn't care They're on the river Totally relaxed and they're spinning down in their tubes and I'm like that is so much fun To just relax and go down a river, you know Um, but I do want to tell people That you they can read more about your adventures beyond the article Again, it's up on national park traveling dot com all the links are in the episode notes Um, but you've got lost angel walk about one traveler's tales And also your other book lost angel and leash stories from the heart both of them have Essays on rivers river adventures. That's right. Well, you've got to do another one for your california book Yeah Well, you know, I I did do the king's canyon, but that and that's quite a very Beautiful kind of a very dangerous river I did this a long ago though. I couldn't really write about it All right, but I did the rogue river in Oregon, which we didn't talk about which is also very fun That's a very fun river Oh, I just want to mention that one has the opportunity of lodge to lodge So you don't if you're older and maybe don't want to sleep in a tent and you want to shower at the end of the day They have that choice for you. So there's a million ways to go and I like I just recommended highly Okay, do you get to have wine when you do these big adventures when you're sleeping under the stars? Wine they give you wine that cooks And they give you great food. They take especially on the rogue. They are really are very big into giving you great food and you know Um That particular river my guides were two women, which was kind of unusual And that's cool to see Yes, that was fun Well, everyone Linda is here every third Wednesday, uh, we're going to lost angel adventure around somewhere travel adventure somewhere around the world or across the country So looking forward to next month. Thank you Linda and everyone again link is in the show notes I you can go to linda blue author lost angel adventures dot com or linda blue author dot com all the links are in the episode notes So let's here's to river adventuring everyone right rivering. That's right. Let's get out there Bye-bye Thank you for listening to big blend radios lost angel travel adventure show with linda belu travel writer and author Keep up with her at linda belu author dot com and lost angel adventures dot com You can also keep up with big blend radio at big blend radio dot com now happy traveling [music]
