Kap & J. Hood

8/21 9 AM: HBO Max or PBS? Hard Knocks with the Chicago Bears is Rated G!

Hour 3: The guys discuss the latest episode of Hard Knocks with the Chicago Bears and wonder is it too clean? Should it air on PBS and not HBO Max? Former Dolphins HC Brian Flores responds to Tua's comments, Pete Carroll returns to USC and the Kap & J. Hood Classic Cut Of The Day.

Duration:: 42m
Broadcast on:: 21 Aug 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

(upbeat music) - Good morning, Chicago. And welcome in to the Camp and Jay Hood Morning Show. On ESPN 1000 and we're streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. With David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you. We've got Jay, we've got Jay Moore, we've got you. On this one on Wednesday, we have been full-lined for you, three, one, two, three, three, two, ESPN, three, three, two, three, seven, seven, six is our telephone number. Camp, we got a chance to watch Hard Knocks yesterday on HBO Max and another solid episode. We got really a glimpse into what the Bears are doing behind the scenes. When someone asks, hey, can the Bears do something better with their pass rush? You say you like Montes, what? You say you like the players, but is there a way to upgrade the pass rush? Well, as we say it and as fans on the streets say it, guess what? I think the Bears are saying it as well. And we got evidence of that yesterday in which we were able to hear from Ryan Polls and the people working with Ryan Polls trying to find out a way to get Matthew Judon in a Bears uniform. And Polls and his staff was doing what they could to upgrade their position and they picked up the phone. It just didn't work out, but the point is though, is at least they tried. And that's the difference between this generation of the Bears and generations of the pass in which there's an effort there and we're privy to it. Yeah, I thought it was outstanding to be taken behind the scenes of the way they laid it out. And they didn't show you the projections, but here's the projections. And I thought Karm made a really good point on the Dr. Pepper post game show for Hard Knocks last night. Now coverage, of course, powered by Karm Ed here today on a Hard Knocks life. Karm said it's different when you're looking at a guy coming off of a bicep injury, the legs are still, there was no injury there. So he should still be as explosive as he was prior to the bicep injury. Yeah, and he can got away? He had a broken leg. We don't, he wasn't able to train his legs. We don't know how he's gonna project and factor in as a pass rusher where the key, obviously you got to be strong. You got to have burst off the line. So it made sense to go after Matthew Judah. They didn't get it done. And sometimes what do they say, hoodie and baseball many years? Sometimes the best trades you make are the ones you don't finalize. You can be three, yep. You can be three for 10, still 300 hitter. Right. So they tried cap. And maybe Hassan Redick, how much longer do the Jets let him sit there? He's younger than Matthew Judahon. Now he plays a different style. He's not a guy who has his hand in the dirt, so to speak, but he can get the quarterbacks. He absolutely can get through a quarterback. So maybe there's a way to swing for the fences with him. Maybe Austin Booker, Shays look at Smarter Every Day on the Austin Booker pick, even though he's been banned by the Jayhawk of talking about him. Look, this kid looks good, man. Everything is trending, trending in a positive direction. You know, Tommy said it and we said it earlier in the show cap about how the operation looks. And again, the way an operation looks does not necessarily mean that that means that the Bears are going to win the Super Bowl this year. But what we're saying is, is that you can see the work and you see how the tracks have been laid down to get yourself into a playoff berth. And so you compared this to say what is going on with the New York Jets, for instance, in which there is no conversation, not enough communication between the quarterback Aaron Rodgers and the head coach, Robert Salah. As if Rodgers didn't even know he's going to play the preseason finale, he was D&P the first two games. And when Rodgers asked, "Hey, you're going to play this last game?" I don't know, I haven't been told anything. And just like no communication. And in with this team, with the Bears, we could see just from the beginning of the show, Matt Eberfluis and Caleb Williams sitting down, having a conversation, opening up the dialogue and just talking about the good and the questionable about his play and how he can get better. You just don't get that kind of drama. At least we're not privy to any drama at House Hall versus some of these other places. And again, that goes a long way as well. - Totally agree with you. And Eberfluis, who again, I know he's had some media training and he's gotten so much better at the podium. He looks more comfortable and relaxed. Forget just the appearance part of things. But he told the media, he was open. Hey, our plan, this was before training camp, is about 45 to 50 plays. We studied what they did with Bryce Young and what they did with CJ Stroud and what they've done with Joe Burrow when he was a young player. And all these different dudes, we're gonna go right around the CJ Stroud plan. And that's where they've been at. That is absolutely where they've been at. What did he go? 18 plays plus two penalties. So 20 plays, the first game he played. And last week, Shay, correct me if I'm wrong, I think he was at 23 plays. So he's somewhere in that 43 range. Good, let's go. - Is that Far Cry from the Nagy administration? - Far Cry from the Nagy administration. - There's no talk about that. And that also on Hard Knocks where you could see Eber Flus counting the amount of snaps that was there, just kind of counting the pitch count for Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears. - Oh, you mean I'm the sideline during the game? - Yes, on Hard Knocks. - Right, he's like in game going, okay, I think we're at 18 plays. Let's get him back out there. First team's going back out. I loved it. I'm like, wow, very good. - Yeah, I think it was 22 plays that he had last week, which they're the ones that had 22 plays. - So he's at 42 plays that he's been the quarterback for. - Super cool. - I don't want to diss Matt Eber Flus. I watched Hard Knocks this morning. I was at Riggly last night when it was on, so I got up, watched it before the show. This is not a shot, 'cause I think he's showing himself to be a good guy in terms of building a culture. He feels more and more like a winning head coach. Don't some of his interactions kind of feel like middle school teacher level interactions a little bit? - Dragon Slayer. - No. - Like the thing with Caleb when he's like, so what did we learn out of this? - That would be me. - Caleb's practice is harder than the game. It just reminded me of sitting down in middle school and talking to a teacher that's like, okay, you just had this experience. What did you learn from it? It was funny to me. - Yeah, I loved, I don't know what hoodie's perspective is on it when he's going back to putting the hoodie. He's looking at the big projection screen, Caleb is. Eber Flus is controlling it at his desk, at his computer. It's a great setup. And okay, tell me what you see right there. Man to man, blah, blah, blah. And then they drop this guy here, and when they did this and I checked to that, and then he ran it, and he goes, and then it turned into this. Yeah, it was super cool to watch that interaction. - Well, Shay, from your standpoint, that you're talking about Eber Flus. And again, what you saw on hard knocks is what the Bears wanna show you. It might have been tough love, and it might have been some tough words there. Who knows? But they showed you that there is a report between the quarterback and the head coach. There might have been some language. They could have been like, "Hey, we can't do that." But they didn't show it. So if it came across the middle school to you, that's what they wanted to show. - And again, I'm not taking a shot. I believe in Matt Eber Flus is the head coach of the team. It's just, it's like that juxtaposition from other seasons of hard knocks or other exposure to head coaches, where like, I remember times where the head coach is just ripping into the team. You can't have talks about being a head coach of a kid's basketball team, and he's just on 'em, ripping into 'em, letting them know what it is, laying the line down. And then Eber Flus is like kind of the soft hand approach. It's just different. I haven't seen it before. - Yeah, and also on the sidelines during the practice as well. Same situation where Eber Flus is just kind of over the shoulder, kind of the whisper of Caleb Williams because Eber Flus has that keen eye for defense. I'll give him that much credit because that's his expertise. He's a defensive coordinator. He knows how to be able to see a defense. And it's kind of a mirror effect cap. A defensive coordinator can tell a young quarterback, "Hey man, I know they're tendencies. What did you see? What do you call that?" What was the scheme that they're throwing out there? And so it's almost like an open book test when you have the plays on the screen. For Caleb Williams to say, "All right, that's what that was. I can read this, I can read that." So I guess that's a positive as well that Caleb Williams knows what's coming. - He also did that with Bayjid. Okay, what did you see there? Well, coach, they did this, this. I'm like, 'cause you see Eber Flus having a very involved role in developing his franchise quarterback, very involved. And this notion, we gotta hire an offensive coach because the offensive coach is the one that knows how to develop the quarterback. Well, a lot of second now. A defensive coach has the game plan to stop said quarterback. He knows what good quarterback play is. He's not stupid. His whole life has been football. - So Shay believes that Matt Eber Flus is soft as head coach. Is he crazy? - Oh, that's-- - 3-1-2-3. - No, I'm just like-- - 3-1-2. - We got the Lions fighting in practice last week and Dan Campbell comes out and he's like, "Yeah, man, you know, things that get spicy, got players that get eaten, it's intense in those environments." And Eber Flus is like the kind of father figure in the auditorium that's just, if you fight, right, okay? If you fight, I'm gonna remove you from the practice immediately. You're gonna go condition with the rest of the guys who are either limited or not playing. You're gonna get off the field right away if you fight, okay? All right, guys, let's go. - But he was pretty direct the way he said that. - For sure, he was stern. It was just like, he reminded me of the gym teacher when we go out and play touch football in middle school. That's like, if anything gets too heavy, if you tackle, you're gone. You're going into the gym and running laps. Unless the Dan Campbell kind of more, and like the NFL coach I have in my head, that's like, yeah, man, things get out of control sometimes. You know what I mean? It was just different to me. - I love Dan Campbell, you know that. But he would have been, Dan Campbell, they'd have a statue for him already in Chicago. - Also, let's also point this out though, Shay. Let's point this out as well. They gave us a glimpse of halftime of the adjustments that Waldron wanted to make. I wanna make sure it's very clear, halftime is not what we saw on playmakers, the show where guys are doing lines of cocaine or outside or whatever the hell they were doing. - Remember that show? - Doing lines of cocaine or dealing with baby mama drama outside of the locker room. Whatever that craziness was or just like shooting needles, whatever they were trying to portray, it's not that. It's not that. That's not what a halftime locker room looks like. But I'm glad to bear showed that because otherwise, people would think, oh, you mean like playmakers where they're just like, you know, shooting stuff in their ass to make sure they're ready for the second half? No. - Did you like to, they blurred the whiteboard that Shane Waldron had for any other team. Can't go, wait a minute, there's a play up there. - Nope, blurred. - I think Peyton Manning was on the Manning cast last year and they're like, so Peyton, you get into halftime and the coach has given you all the adjustments and you have the meetings and everything. Everybody's doing, and he's like adjustments. Halftime, no, do we go in, we get some orange slices and we go back on the field. That's it. There's nothing crazy going on. Nobody's screaming at us. - Right, he laughs about coaches getting, that guy doesn't know how to adjust at halftime. - You're right, Shane, exactly he goes, there's no adjustment, we have our game plan, that's it. - Ibra Fus is now the new TV dad. I think so. - Yeah, they should do like a full house sitcom open for Hard Knocks. - It should wear a cardigan, it should wear a cardigan sweater. - Instead of the tough music and the like Chicago skyline all gritty and like, let's just do the full house yellow comic sans font, starring Matt Ibra Fus. He's just smiling and his off white, white outfit around the pool. Ryan Paul's, Ryan Paul standing there with Ibra Fus, the pool party. - Like good for him, man. - He did come across as the resident Ward Cleaver. Ward, your heart on the beaver last night. 3-1-2-3-2-3-2-ESP, 3-3-2-3-7-7-6 is our telephone number. If you're on hold, you will be on the air. Did you see Hard Knocks Chicago Bears? We love to get your thoughts about it as well. Also still to come. Well, we heard from Tua Tungavioloa, the quarterback for the Miami Dolphins. His former coach, Brian Flores, was able to comment on what Tua had to say. We'll hear that as we move forward here on the Captain J. Hood Morning Show. (upbeat music) - Captain J. Hood, I'm back. I appreciate you guys. I listened to you streaming on ESPN 1,000 apps. - Chicago's home for sports. ESPN Chicago. - It's a Captain J. Hood Morning Show on ESPN 1,000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. With you till 10 o'clock, then Mike Greenberg at 10, Carmen and Yurko 12 to 3. Waddle in Sylvie, 2-30 to 6-30 into a plucking up dollar at 6-30. White Sox and Giants at 8 right here. On the home of the White Sox, ESPN 1,000. 3-1-2-3-3-2-3-7-7-6 is our phone number. So Caleb Williams and I play tomorrow. We'll have the game for you tomorrow, Thursday right here on the home of the Bears, ESPN 1,000. So, Cap, we should talk about something that we discussed yesterday regarding the Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tanga Violoa. You recall this, right? - Yes, where he was asked on the Dan Levittard Show difference between being coached by Brian Flores, his former coach, and Mike McDaniel, his current coach. - To put it in simplest terms, if you woke up every morning and I told you, you suck at what you did, that you don't belong doing what you do, that you shouldn't be here, that this guy should be here, that you haven't earned this right, and then you have somebody else come in and tell you, dude, you are the best fit for this. Like, you are accurate, you are the best, whatever you are at this, you are that. Like, how would it make you feel listening to one or the other? You see what I'm saying? And then you hear it, you hear it. Regardless of what it is, the good or the best. And you hear it more and more. You start to actually believe that. I don't care who you are. You can be the president of the United States. You have a terrible person that's telling you things that you don't wanna hear, or that you probably shouldn't be here. You're gonna start to believe that about yourself. And so that's sort of like what ended up happening. And it was, I mean, it's basically been, what, two years of training that out of, not just me, but a couple of the guys as well that have been here since my rookie year, all the way down out. - So when Florence was the head coach for the Miami Dolphins, Florence was kicking the Dolphins ass, in particular to a tongue of Iowa. And Cap, listen, I can only ask you because you're the only one with coaching experience on the staff. You're the only one that we have. And so you would know better than anybody else. Cap, I think that even if it's 50, 50 or 90, 10, everything that you see from a player is not horrible. There's gotta be at least five or 10% where you say, you know what, there's an effort there, or he does this good or she, but I guess from to a standpoint, anything he did in the eyes of Brian Flores was not good enough. And that was demoralizing for tour. - Yeah, I've said this to you the other day. You cannot coach every player the same way. And there are times where you give a pass to a player or you're not as hard in them as you are to someone else. And the player you're hard on, unless they have completely bought in and understand, they could take it and the other guy can't, that's where you have problems. That's where it's about, that's what makes the NIL thing at the collegiate level so hard. I'm leaving the pros to the side because the guy plays at Oklahoma State the first year, then he gets bought away to go to Kansas State the second year and then Miami of Florida says, "We'll pay you to come down here." There's no relationship. Like if I'm coaching you and I bring you in the office and go hoodie, you can take this and there are some other guys that cannot. I am going to blast you at times at practice. You can be mad at me, but I need you to understand why. I love you. You're one of my bedrock guys in my program because James over there, if I go off on him and use profanity and get nuts, he can't handle it. He's going to curl up in the fetal position and I'm going to lose him. So while I may blast you and go crazy on you, I have to develop the trust with you that, geez, did you hear what he said to hoodie? Hoodie deep down goes, we're good. He knows he can use me because I'm a bedrock guy in my program where I got to put my arm around, J-Moor, Shane go, that can't happen again. We got to be better here. We got to do this, but I'm not ever going to embarrass them because I can't. Brian Flores, and he spoke and you'll hear it. Brian Flores was just out of his mind and I'm reminded of a college coach who I liked very much who's a friend of mine who he would get personal. I got no problem when my son played college football, got a holding call that it was just a bad play or he'd fall started on fourth and inches and now they got a punt. I got no problem if his coach got in his face, nor did my wife, furious. Don't demean him, don't call him a loser, don't tell him, you suck, no. That FV can't happen, we coached you better than that. What do you do? I got no problem with that. None whatsoever. Don't demean personally. So let me give you your flowers because hours before Brian Flores took the podium and we knew that he'd speak yesterday after our show was done, you went into crisis management mode by kind of saying on the air that Brian Flores should kind of fall in the sword one but two, kind of just talk about how he's changed from his time being a head coach from the Miami Dolphins to what he is now at the Vikings. You kind of laid it out and he set it in a lot of ways. Yeah, I told you that I thought that was one of the biggest moments of his career yesterday. He goes up there and goes, look, I coach people hard and if they can't handle it then maybe they're not the player for me. He had to say, hey, I made my mistakes or I'm evolving and I'm learning and I'll be better at it. And I thought he hit a homerun. So here's the thoughts from Brian Flores, his response to Toa. You heard what Toa said with Dan Levittart and Stu Gott, what about this? I'm always gonna have a high standard. And I think, you know, look, I've done a lot of reflecting and you know, on this situation, you know, reflecting on the situation and communication. You might think there's things that I could do better for sure and I've grown in that way and I try to apply the things that I could do better and things that I've learned in over the last, you know, two, three years. Now, I would say over in the long haul, I've had a lot of great relationships on my 21 year career here in the league. Players, coaches, personnel, equipment, people in the kitchen, I mean, really across the board. I've had a lot of great relationships and they continue to do that. But I'm also always looking to get better and involved. It's no different than as a coach, whether it's schematics or personnel or evaluations. I'm always looking to get better. I'm always looking for dialogue in meetings with coaches, with players. And I don't care what a good idea comes from. You guys have heard me say that and, you know, I'm hoping to get better and that's always the, you know, always my mindset. Yeah, that's a pretty strong cap. I mean, he had to really, it's not just coach speak. He had to really think about what he's going to say because Brian Flores, despite what's going on with the NFL and the lawsuit and everything else, he wants to be able to be a head coach again. And if he didn't knock that out of the park and put it on himself reflecting how he's made mistakes and he's trying to get better every day as a leader of men, then that coaching opportunity would not come again. At least not as a head coach. Right, but if he did not hit it out of the park yesterday, if you were an owner, Jonathan Hood bought the Baltimore Ravens and needed a head coach, you would look at Brian Flores, if he didn't hit a home run yesterday, and now I can't take a chance that he's going to be a maniac around here. All football coaches are maniacs. They work insane hours. They have their paycheck basically in the miles of 53 guys. They could do only so much. Matt Ebber-Fluse can only coach so hard and study so much. And if the players don't execute, he's done. He's out. So I thought it was super important that the next owner who looks for a head coach and they change seven to 10 jobs every year looks and goes, all right, Brian, I want to have dinner with you. Tell me how you've evolved. What have you learned? I was out of my mind. That's what I've learned because I can tell you, since I was married to my first wife and been with Mindy 25, I'm a radically different person, radically. Sylvie's talked about how different a person he is since he got married, had kids. Yeah, we all evolve. And if you don't, you're going to get left behind. That's a fact. I thought Brian did a very good job of saying, "Look, I made my mistakes, I've evolved." And then he had two players with him who, these dudes love him. Now there's a big difference between being a head coach and being an assistant coach. When you move over one seat as they like to say in basketball, that's a lot harder that you got to discipline guys whereas the assistant, you move to his marching orders. Shay, have you changed since marriage? I don't think so, not really. But I'm not even 30. I'm a little different than I was at 21. I don't think it's a big thing I got married. Okay, I have this discussion with Jaymore. Jaymore, did you not tell me, sitting in my backyard, you are a different person since your beautiful wife and kids came into your life. Yes, I said that. And that is facts. Right? We all evolve, whether it's marriage, whether it is a crisis health-wise, whether it's a job change. Hey, I was out there pad, too. (laughing) I had to change that. I had to change the straight up. Yeah, what did your wife say to me? I told him, you want this to go any further? That all changes, or I'm gone? Get out those streets, boy. Yes, yeah, it's changed. Well, if we're evaluating it that way, then yeah, I've changed a little bit since marriage. It's too late, the portal's closed. So, but thank you, Shay. Stop asking for more money. No, no, you're the portal's closed. I haven't changed. I still boo-hobby bias. He's the same guy, Cap. He hasn't changed. He's always gonna be the same. Strong sports fan, the only one booing out of about 30,000 at the friendly confines. It's all right. I imagine there was at least one other Detroit or there booing him. I would imagine. Get Shay, you're missing me. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with you booing. He's performed horribly. Calling him a loser looked worse for you than it did for him. 3-1-2-3-3-2-E-S-P-N-3-3-2-3-7-7-6-0-4 number. Yes, it's on our social media about Shay and Tyler spending time at Wrigley Field. Booing, hobby bias. Also still to come, where are the banks, where are the bears amongst the best in the National Football League? ESPN has an idea on Cap and Jhood. (upbeat music) Here's to Dave's headline, headline with Cap and Jhood. 50-50 on Chicago baseball on Tuesday evening cubbies. Pete, the Tigers, 3-1 Cody Bellinger. Big two run double dance beat Swanson, his 10th home run of the season and solid starting pitching from Javier Asad and the bullpen Cubs win still alive faintly in the wild card chase. Two teams back at it again tonight over at Wrigley Field. The White Sox 4-1 losers to the San Francisco Giants. Socks it at 97 losses on the season. It is what the 21st of August, uh-oh. They may set the record for all time futility this afternoon. They'll wrap up that series in San Francisco against the Giants here on ESPN 1000. And Brian Flores, the decordinator of the Minnesota Vikings who was roundly criticized by his former quarterback to a Tungal Violo after his stint as the head coach with the Dolphins met the media yesterday at Vikings camp and said he has evolved and absolutely is trying to be better and said he has made his share of mistakes so that he handled the press conference beautifully. And Pete Carroll is back at USC. He's been hired at his former school this time as a teacher. Jay Moore. The truth of the matter is you're listening to Captain Jay Hood on ESPN 1000 weekdays, 7 to 10 a.m. But it'll last a lifetime. It may only be three hours a day. But it'll last you a lifetime. It's the Captain Jay Good morning show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. Cap, you mentioned that Pete Carroll is going back to college as a teacher at USC. That was in the headlines, correct? Correct. Let me just make sure that Pete Carroll's understanding something even though he's 72, 73 years old. And he's still got the energy of like a 30 or 40 year old because he keeps himself in great shape. He says he's in the best shape of his life all that. You might be sipping around the campus. Don't be trying to get a job now. Now there's some opportunities in college that will open up for a Pete Carroll if you wanted to. But don't be sipping around. Then you go get yourself a college job pal. That's 73. That'll be all. He's it. He's done coaching. He's done. You sure? He'll be a lecturer. He strikes me as-- who's the basketball coach that lives in Hawaii? And they said, he smokes weed. And he goes on long walks. And he meditates. And he works out. And he's got to be in his 70s. Who's the coach? Come on. Don Nelson. Don Nelson. Oh, the old Golden State Warriors coach. Yes. Not Don Nelson Jr. who still works, I think, for the Mavericks. Don Nelson Sr. He just is enjoying life, man. Made a bunch of money, won a lot of games. And I think he lives on Maui. Yeah. I think that's-- I did see his hair grow out a little longer. He's got a kind of a weird, full man, chew beard going. Yeah, he's in his flip flops and shorts every day and enjoying life. Hey, man, if you can do that financially and your health is good enough where you can exercise like Pete and be in shape, God bless him. That's what he wants to do. Like, if I get in my 70s, good Lord blesses me to keep living. I don't want to not work. I don't want to be that old guy. Honey, could you drive me to the grocery store? No. No. No. I want to have the energy of a 35, 40-year-old when I'm 80. That's who I am. Well, I don't know if you know his curriculum. I was looking it up, Cap. The Pete Carroll curriculum. It starts with a class on gum chewing. Did you see that? Yeah, that's going to be number one. That's the first class because nobody works a gum like a Pete Carroll. That is for sure. But you don't want from Michigan, though. Be a fine coach. Take a year off, and all of a sudden, the Sharon Moore things happening back in college. How's he going to hold a lecture with that gum in his mouth? I would bet that part of his curriculum will be on the book Grit. He was the first coach, not Dan Campbell. The first coach to use the Grit test when they evaluated players, and they evaluated their team. Dan Campbell has taken it to another level. Well, the ball's on Pete Carroll for him to go back to the scene of the crime. Back to USC. This is the most blatant, like, oh, I'm going to teach a class in the spring. I don't have any specifics on what it's going to be. To me, feels like to me-- I'm not saying it is, but it feels like the most blatant. We're bringing Pete Carroll back as a fundraiser tool. Eric Diggerson, teaching history at SMU. Wow. Listen, it would probably help raise money. Dave Bliss, guest lecturer at Baylor. You had a player get murdered by another player. Oh, look, I put a booster, man. I heard Brian Kelly's going to teach classes at Notre Dame this spring, also. That's it. Or he may teach him at LSU in a Southern draw. Remember that couple we used to play? Yes. Where is that? It's deep in the archives someplace. Got to find that. I'm here with my family. Right. Right. Jamor's got to find that. I'm here with my family. Welcome to Sports Economics 101, OK? What? Woody, am I wrong? This is USC using Pete as a fundraising tool. Probably. I would surprise-- yeah. Because what people remember, there's a good old times when Pete was coaching. Absolutely. I dig-- that's fascinating. I really do. It's also interesting, Cap, for Shea Norling, to be out there to see the Cubs and the Tigers yesterday and booing Harvey Baez. And it reminds me-- his dismay-- sports hatred for Harvey Baez-- reminds me of my least favorite White Sox player of all time. And that would be Nick Swisher. And boy, let me tell you something. As phony as a $3 bill, just like the kind of guy that's shaking your hand, but you know he doesn't mean it, did not like him at all with the White Sox. And by the way, for that hard, gritty White Sox team that he played on, that phonyness did not work. That's why he was off the ball club. And I don't think that Aussie was a big fan either. No, I don't-- what did he call it? The dirty 30? Yes. And I would call him dirty 230, because that's what he'd be hitting. Yeah. I was not a fan of Nick Swisher. I thought he was one of the phoniest guys to come through town. 2008? San Diego with the Cubs. So Pete, Benito-- remember I told you I had to broadcast from the Cubs Clubhouse because we were the right-tolder. And so they'd kick all the media out and I'd be in there. Pre-game post-game to him, pre-game of post-game shows. And Riggleman-- my guy, I love Jim Riggleman-- he said, I'm not going to say a word that you're in here. I will be cool with it. But if you see or hear something that it's supposed to be in this room, you cannot report it. I said, you got a deal. And when we got done, he goes, you never violated that trust. And you got some great stories. I said, he goes, you can use him now, because he's-- oh god, this is 25 years ago. He got into a Benito Santiago. And it was a classic argument. They were going at it. And I would have been great fodder back then. And I didn't use it, but yeah. So your bias, that's my Nick Swisher. I mean, for a team that was blue collar and just getting after it, maybe didn't like each other all the time, but they played hard. This guy coming in with the smile and the fake, and just like-- even just personally, just working with him, was just kind of like, hey, Nick, I liked before you come on my show. Oh, looking to do that. Absolutely. Listen to you every night. That guy, right? There's that guy, not just completely just not true. Don't listen to the show. You don't know who I am. Don't know the station I'm working for. But just saying it just to appease people. And that permeated through that locker room, too. And they were like, out, out with this guy. I never liked him. Like, he never played for a team I liked. I just never liked Nick Swisher. Hoodie, maybe my anger at Harvey Baez, a little misplaced. My anger's really at the organization for employing him. It just-- I get it. There's two types of players you hate, right? It's the guy that kills your team when you're growing up. The guy that every time-- he's just amazing when he's playing your favorite team. And the guy who's on your team making a ton of money that just sucks. I get it. And every time I see Harvey Baez, I get angry. It just-- that is what it is. That's me as a fan. I don't hate him as a person. I've never gotten dinner with him. I don't care to. I watch him play, and he stinks. And he makes a lot of money. And he was sold to me as this, like, we're going to fix the franchise type of thing. Well, he blows. He's the worst player in baseball. Let me just tell you my friend-- Correct. --everybody right. My friend Cap has a laundry list of those guys. He just won't give them all. But he's got a laundry list of those guys because Cap, you've been fed a bill of goods for years about players that are supposed to make a difference, and it didn't happen. Right, but I do not call-- if a guy doesn't hustle to first, he dogs it on a ball. He doesn't want to play through minor nagging little things. That's different if I feel like he's stealing. But if a guy goes out there and plays hard, good in the community, he's just not good enough, then you could boo him all you want, and that's fair. To call him a loser is off-sides and dumb. You can feel the way you feel. I feel the way I feel. And frankly, I do think he's stealing. He's hitting 180. Again, that's important. He's got a slugging under 300. He's the worst player in baseball. He makes $26 million. But he's trying, Shay. He's competing. He's trying. He's just not very good. He's just not. He's swinging at stuff that's landing in the other batter's box. He's not. You guys didn't want to do that? You dang. Goes up there and goes, man, I want to try and embarrass myself. No, it's killing him. OK. What do you want me to do about that? Like, I'm sorry. Again, boo. It is what it is. You've got every right to boo. I got no problem with it. To call him a loser when he's out there playing through nagging injuries, competing, trying. That's a different thing. Look, man, he's won it life. He makes $26 million a year to play a kid's game and be the absolute worst at it. He's won it life. Great. I'm happy for him. I hate him. That's how Cat feels about Dan's B Swanson. Is he crazy? 3, 1, 2, 3, 3. And that's one number eight Dan's B. I'm disappointed in his production. I wish we didn't sign him for seven years. He's a good dude. He competes. He's playing through a knee injury. I don't-- I know. No. Fan how you want to fan, right, Cat? Tell him, Cat. No comment. [LAUGHS] By the way, Cat, as we go to break, I know you got my text yesterday. The Cubs were aggressive on the bass paths. Good send by Harris for the second run to make it 2-1. You know what the new bad three-point shot is in baseball? You get this in basketball time, the bad three-point shot, not in the flow of the offense. The bad three-point shot in Major League Baseball parlance is the guy that thinks he can get to third base and it causes the third out at third base. What's the balance you're doing between second and third yesterday? And that's not on the third base coach as much as that's on a veteran player who should know better. Come on, brother. So he took a shot and he did not get there, and that should not happen. But the bullpen did a good job. Javier Assad, your guy, that's his best outing in a while. He looked good, and the cubbies win. They beat those dirty tigers. 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