Kap & J. Hood

8/21 8 AM: Tom Waddle

8AM: Hour 2: The guys played "Shot or No Shot", then took a trip "Around The NFL" and former Chicago Bears Wide Receiver and afternoon radio co-host on ESPN Chicago Tom Waddle joined Kap & J. Hood with the latest Bears news and updates on their final preseason game against the Chiefs.

Duration:: 45m
Broadcast on:: 21 Aug 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

[Music] Good morning and welcome in to the Captain J. Hood Morning Show on ESPN 1000. And we're streaming on the ESPN Chicago app with David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you. Now time for Shot of No Shot. Here's Shane Orling, Shane. Good morning boys on a Wednesday, wattle Wednesday, how are we feeling? We're feeling good man, one of my favorite Cubs from the 2016 team back in town. And while he's struggling wearing that ugly tiger uniform, I stood up in my family room and I gave him a standing ovation when they introduced him and played that cool tribute video. Way to go, hobby. I would like to respond because we got, we at some point we got to move on to the show. So, would you like to respond to this? I booed him and that's all I'll say. I'll leave it at that. Okay, so what happened on the on X on Twitter is Tyler Ocky and you, Shane Orling, were at Wrigley Field to see the tigers against the Cubs. And of course, the handy phone of Tyler, boom, right there showing you flipping off a hobby by us and booing him. Damn. Was there anyone else at Wrigley Field, booing him that you knew of? Shane. Not that I noticed, not even tigers fans. I think there was a sarcastic applause when he got a put out in the first inning, but. Oh, really? Yeah. That it's okay. It is what it is, man. He's the worst free agent signing in the history of the franchise that I grew up with. It's like it is what it is. He's a villain in my story. We'll pick him up. DFA and we'll pick him up. Good. He's slugging like 260. Enjoy. You know what would be great, hoodie? If he got DFA and the Cubs picked him up and he came and all start again, that would be the greatest. Dude, I'd be super happy for you. I'd also be happy. He's not on that team anymore. Both things would be true. I think that both things are true in this situation. I have nothing against the Cubs. I have nothing against you. Cap is a fan. Really, I have nothing personally against Harvey Baez. He has just been horrible. There's no way around it. He's been basically the worst position player in all of baseball for three seasons. That I don't disagree with. There's no doubt about that. But again, both things can be true. Harvey Baez is awful at baseball. He does not have it anymore as far as being. He can identify the inside pitch, the outside pitch over the middle. It's been bad. Like he is up there like a blind man right now offensively. And so, but there was a time in his prime with the Cubs that he was must see. He was saw defensively and gave you the key hits he needed. But the drop office is a real thing. Matter of fact, because there is something odd to me. Like Chris Bryant just hasn't played at all. So that's kind of a different thing. Rizzo's been okay. Shwarper's been awesome. Baez has been pound for pound. The worst position player in baseball since he left. But shot or no shot. He is still the most beloved cub from that team. The way these people embraced him yesterday, I was like, wow. Well, just wait till the Yankees get here in September. If Rizzo's back, is he's been hurt with a broken, I think a broken arm? If he gets introduced, look out. They'll bring the roof down. Yeah, I would say that's a no shot. I think Rizzo's one is number one. Who had the baseball last when the Cubs won the World Series? Put it in his pocket, gave it to Tom Ricketts. It's him. It's him. He did a conerco. Is Baez two? Are they both more beloved than Shwarper? Is what? Are they both more beloved than Shwarper? Rizzo Baez? Well, if I had, that's a great question. If I had to rank them, who'd he tell me if I'm wrong? I would go Rizzo's one. Yep. Shwarper? John Lester might be number two. Shwarper three. Baez three, Shwarper four, and KB five. I think that's fair. And KB might move up a little bit in there. He was the MVP for crying out loud. I think Sylvie would probably push Kyle Shwarper up a little higher. Maybe two in that spot. There's no way get Shwarper from that team is more beloved than some of the other guys. He's in that top upper echelon five guys that you could move around. No doubt. As a, as a beer league softball player, not bad for the Cubs. That is for sure. Nobody ever said that about it. Here's Shane Orley. All right. Hard knock showed us Caleb was having some communication problems with Shane Waldron for the first few drives against the Bengals. His headset kept cutting out. He was saying he couldn't hear the play call. He's just trying to piece it together, get in and out of the huddle, get everybody set up. Looked like the process was pretty bad. The three and outs after getting on the sideline, making sure everybody knows the helmets cutting out. It's not the volume. I can't hear him. They got him a new helmet, got the volume where he wanted it. Caleb led two scoring drives. Shot or no shot. The headset was the reason for the three and outs. No shot. He had a couple terrible throws. He did. That's a shot. He was rattled. It may have contributed. Yes, guess what, find a way to play through it. Sid Lockman didn't have a headset communication. He delivered the football. They didn't have that for Rex Grossman. There was no communication system. How cold was the water in the locker room in the Lockman administration? What do you recall? It was chilly. That's, that's, I would ask since you, since you brought him up. I would say that that's the shot, Shane. And watching that and knowing he was the headset, it pissed me off. It's a lot of that I was in my household yesterday watching that. I had to pause it for a second and explain to Peacock. Like, hey, this has been a problem. He's a rookie. He's still trying to get the verbiage. He's just trying to get it down. He might hurt some of it, but he needs all of it. And so that was just kind of throwing him in the middle of the ocean without a paddle. It's like, what, what is it now? And so I think that that was, I can't, I think you're right. But I also believe that him not being able to get the full play in. I think that rattled him a little. But you know what? Hoodie, there's going to be a moment. It might be December, January. It's freezing cold in Chicago in the community or in Green Bay. And the communication system went out. And guess what? Figure it out. Read the defense. Call the play. Make a check at the line of scrimmage. And guess what? Figure it out and make a play. Shire no shot, have some backup placards just in case. Yes, big sign. Fred Flintstone, Dora the Explorer. Right. Yeah, just HBO Max sign. Or just like run up, like you're playing two hand touch. Draw the play on the football. Just whatever it takes. Well, you're going to go up here about five yards cut out. All right, Keana. He can be like, you know, like Aaron Rodgers is ignored to play all together. Whatever's been called in like FU. All right, we're not doing that. We're doing this. That's been a case too. Because I mean, but as you get more and more comfortable cap, like you said, like in December, the hope is it's like he's got it down. Like I can't really say it, but I think in this situation, we should do this. They're not going to yell at him. Yeah, you know, all right, Shay. All right, Caleb also joined pardon my take. He was asked by PFT if he would sacrifice something for 10 Super Bowls. Listen to this. If there was a button, if you had a button and if you pushed it, one Bears fan would die. But you would win 10 Super Bowls. You'd kill me. Do you press the button? 10 Super Bowls? 10 Super Bowls. I feel like most Bears fans would be like, I'll throw me in that. I press the button for you. Can they sacrifice? Yeah. Wow, that's love. It is love. So do you press the button? I like that. I would press the button. 10 Super Bowls. That's a lot of Super Bowls. Boy, you could tell he was thinking, yes. I mean, look, that's killer instinct. That's what I want out of my quarterback at all costs. Big Cat willing to lay his life on the line in the interview. I'd give it up for 10 Super Bowls shot or no shot. You would give your life for Caleb Williams and the Bears to win 10 Super Bowls. That's a no shot. The damn no shot. But, but, but, but, Cat, there's nothing like watching these shows at a loved one. Like, like my wife as we're watching this and she, and she says, as that question is being asked, she says, don't answer that. She says it out loud. Don't answer that. Even she was uncomfortable with the question. Yeah, that's a no shot. Love my favorite football team. And if you had said that about the 108 year hiatus, the Cubs took between championship. The answer still would have been no shot. She's like, don't answer that. I was like, I don't think, I don't think he is. He's like, I hope he doesn't answer that. No, no, if I could pick the fan, that's a different step. What are you talking about? Have anybody in mind, Cap? Couple. Who are you going to kill off for a Bears 10 Super Bowls, Capy? Damn. That's a personal question, but yeah, there's a few out there. Wow. And that's something he calls me a bad guy. I am not. Well, there's a very dark side to David Kaplan that right between the eyes, BAM, had Super Bowls in coming. Yeah, see, there's a very dark side that people don't know. I've been privy to it. I know it's very dark. He's got a lot of strange thoughts going in through that cranium of, you know, the fond of misinformation. This guy here, it's amazing. That's it. Here's J. Norley. Also, Caleb didn't answer the question, but shot or no shot. He was, he was going to answer. Yes, he was thinking about it. He said, give me the button. You just kept saying that. I think, uh, big cat said, I'll push the button for you. Yes, but he didn't say, give it a definitive answer. I think, I don't think what Jimmy McCasky wanted to see the answer to that question. Correct. Those are our fans. You can't do that. Here's J. Norley. Montes Swett admitted fifth round rookie Austin Booker as impressed at camp. Says he's, quote, light years ahead of where a rookie should be adding. He's already adding new moves to his pass rush arsenal, learning how different players will block him, adjusting to it. All the things you'd expect out of a veteran, less so out of a fifth round rookie. I ask again, as the Austin Booker stock just keeps rising, like hard knocks last night, pulls in his feelings about not getting jude on and not being able to give up a third to get that done and then being reminded. Hey, you traded a fourth for Austin Booker and the smile that went across Ryan Cole's face. Sean or no shot. Austin Booker is making a case to start. Yeah, I don't think he's making a case to start. He's making a case to be a significant part of a rotation there. I think Demarcus Walker will get the start at the other edge. I don't feel like, oh my God, we have to give $8 million or whatever the number is to Janique in Gakwe. If the kid is that good, let him be part of that rotation and let's go. What I find interesting is Montez Sweat's involvement, not just with Austin Booker, because when we were there, I saw him standing, talking and pointing at things. They weren't going, you want to go get lunch. It was different things on the field. And then I read that he took Darnell right off to the side and he's like, let me show you something with your arm. You need to do this more, less of it. And they talked about how he's spending a lot of time with offensive lineman, trying to teach them things that work against him. I thought that was super cool. I thought so as well. I like the information about Austin Booker, what the Bears had to go through to get Austin Booker on the team. And just watching him being isolated and featured on the show, I think the Bears think very highly of him. As a starter, I would say that's a no shot for now, Shay, but definitely a rotation guy that the Bears think very highly of. The other thing that was cool was hoodie when they took you behind the scenes, back to draft day on day three. And you see like six or seven different Bears front office guys on the phone with different teams. And then Jeff King, who's been around there a long time, previous administrations as well, turn it goes, we're good. And then they make the trade. If I give you a future fourth, will you let us trade back in if our guys are? Yes, we're good. That was awesome. Yeah, it's good to see. It's good to know, again, the Bears are able to identify a great talent and Austin Booker. And as even Ryan Pulsa, I mean, keep my eyes on this guy. I'm so glad he's a bear. So it is a no shot for now. Can you squeeze in one more because we got around the NFL coming up? Yeah, very quickly. Oklahoma State revealed yesterday. They're going to be adding QR codes to their helmets. Cowboys helmets. I have a big fat QR code right in the middle on the back that will link directly to the NIL general fund so that fans can easily donate money to the players. Shot or no shot. This is gross. This is college football just going too far. No shot. It's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Oh, God. Some guy makes a big run, gets a touchdown, and you're like, we just beat Oklahoma. Give me that QR code, honey. I'm putting 50 bucks in there. Yeah, I love it. Brilliant. You know, this, this whole thing with my Gundy and I'm wondering, Shay, now that Harbaugh's to the NFL and Saban is doing television, who's going to be the polarizing coach? This is going to be the most quotable coach. I think it's already my Gundy. And then here's a guy here that's not going to be in the mix for the national championship and all that. Boy, he's doing a lot of chirping. Same guy that just told everybody, Hey players, stop asking for more money. Stop asking for more money. You see that peace cap? This is a couple of days ago, Mike Gundy, the head coach for Oklahoma State says, Hey, stop asking for more money. The portal's over. And now we're playing football. The good news is the next five months, we just play football and not worry about the business side. And then you're in it now. This is the college football. This is what you have to deal with, the business side of it. So this is why he's got the QR code because he doesn't want to deal with it the next five months, but you got to keep dealing with it. You are a general manager. You are not the head coach. You are the Wheeler and dealer 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Too bad. You don't have the stomach for it. You can leave. Yeah, I also don't think he had anything to do with the QR code. That's way above his pay grade. That is the marketing and the AD. How are we going to raise more money? What about a QR code? I mean, you've already got Ollie Gordon on the team making millions and driving sports cars. Well, drunk. I do think this is a little bit of a bad look. I actually kind of agree with what Mike Gundy said to the players, the absurdity that training camp is happening. The portal's closed. You cannot move teams anymore, and you're you still have agents calling your head coach saying, can we get more money? What are we doing? Well, this ain't college football. It's like, you're in camp. You can't move. The portal's shut. I understand. But why are you asking for more? Let's play ball. Novel concept. Your head coach is one nine and a half games a year in his career. Novel idea. Hit the field and produce. You'll make money and you'll get to go to whatever school you want. Enjoy the idea. You're doing it in August. What are we talking about? This is what it is, though, Shay. You and I may not like it, but this is the price of poker now in college football. This is what it is, where you're still trying to negotiate money for players, and we're on the precipice of the season. We're right here at week zero, and there's still the opportunity for players to try to make more money, right? Whether we like it or not, this is what it is. Until college football changes it, this is where we are in college football. This is it. How much money can I make? Not the scholarship, not the graduation, just how much money can I make now? And how can I get a fast track to the National Football League? Without a real czar and with someone without teeth in college football, it'll continue to be this way. It's just the way it is. You're correct. Got to fix it. But he's fixing. It is the fixing gap, like college basketball and college football. Until someone can say, "Enough of this. This is what it's going to be." So my Gundy has to take it. But it goes back to what Nick Saban said that his wife said to him when he decided to step down. There's no talk anymore about, "Well, Coach Saban, develop my son. Will he help him for his future? It's all about how much money can I get?" Anything else we can do, that's what it is. And it's sad and pathetic, but it is what it is. You're right. We will go around the NFL and that's next on a Waddle Wednesday on Cap & Jhood. Follow Chicago's Home for Sports on Twitter at ESPN1000. Cap and Jhood are back. On ESPN Chicago, Chicago's Home for Sports. Nick both sucks. He sucks. I'm just a fan. I'm not a football evaluator. I love the Green Bay Packers. The guy is front, but there we go. This is not Detroit, man. This is the Super Bowl. I love winners. He starts to come at a moment. This is a really thickly built guy. I mean, what's the answer you looking for on these things here? It's time to go around the NFL, right here on a Waddle Wednesday on Cap & Jhood. On ESPN went down. We'll hear from Tommy coming up. But first around the NFL, here's Shane Orling. Alright, yesterday we got into a very heated debate about what Tom Brady said. Quarterbacks now are forced to start right out of the gate. The rookies, it's a tragedy. They don't have a chance to develop, learn the offense. Let our guy Evan Cohen on on Sportsman like he was filling him for Greenie yesterday to levy a take for a mandatory red shirt, fully paid year for all rookie quarterbacks mandated by the NFL. Rookie Cubies should not count towards the overall roster, should sit for the entire season or be made eligible after week nine. QB development in depth at the position would increase. That's the take from Evan Cohen on Twitter. He offered that on Greenie and again this morning on on Sportsman like, I think we have completely the wrong conversation about this every time that we have it. I went through since 2000 and pulled every quarterback in the first round of the draft that I deemed to have taken a red shirt here. Now to qualify this in college you can play X number of games and still keep your red shirt. So if you started four fewer games as a rookie, I called it a red shirt season as a rookie quarterback. Typically that's like a backup guy came in because somebody got hurt or you started week 15 when your team was out of it and they just wanted to get your reps. Of course there's Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers. Here's the rest of that list. Trey Lance started week five and week 16. He's a backup in Dallas. He doesn't look very good. Now part of that injury, part of that maybe is out of his control. He's still his time. He's the most recent on this list. Let's keep going. Paxton Lynch did a red shirt year help Paxton Lynch's development. Do not. He stinks. All right. Captain Paxton Lynch improved because of a red shirt season. No, absolutely not. How about Johnny Manziel? Did the red shirt year help Johnny Manziel out? Did his development curve upwards because he didn't play his first season? No, did not. What about Jake Locker? Jake. Jake Locker. Yes. Nope. Tim Tebow, red shirt year help him any. Did not. He was bad going into the NFL. Chamarkis Russell. Did the red shirt season for Chamarkis Russell make him less of a bust? Nope. Can we discuss Brady Quinn, please? Brady Quinn. No. Network broadcaster. No. Rex Grossman, red shirt year help him out. Make him a stud. Rex Grossman, he took a team to a Super Bowl. He did? Was it great? No, he did. If we want to qualify Rex Grossman as a success story because he didn't play his first year because the Bears went to the Super Bowl, fine. Mike Vick, good player. What about Chad Pennington? Red shirt year help out Chad Pennington? No, as up and down the Jets and all that, it didn't work. That's all of them. That's every first round quarterback that took a red shirt year since the year 2000. The rest start, my point remains. Whoa, whoa, whoa, where's Patrick Mahomes? I said Mahomes, Rogers River's all right. They're great stories. Yeah. The rest didn't matter. They stunk and everybody else just started. That was taken in the first round. But if they knew going in, they were going to be red-shirted and treated as such, maybe I'm not saying it would have been any different for any of those guys. It would have been handled differently. Is that fair? I don't know. And he also did not count their money against the cap. It was off to the side. Well, that's fine. The negotiated salaries were different back then. Anyway, I just, I'm making a point. I kind of think the guys who stink, stink and the guys who are good are good. Like Brady's whole idea. It sounds like Brady's living in a world where there were a million great quarterbacks back in the day who all took red shirt years and developed and had the time. That was never true. Like any year in Tom Brady's career, whether it's early or middle or late, there's no more than like 10 good quarterbacks in the league. Because that's just the NFL. That's the way it's always been. There's like 10 good quarterbacks, a few who you might be able to win games with, and dead people. So for context, for those that missed it, Tom Brady was at the Fanatics at the Javits Center in New York City, talking to Stephen A. Smith about how Ricky quarterbacks are being forced in today's NFL. There used to be college programs. Now there are college teams. You're no longer learning a program. You're learning a playbook and the program is ultimately like at Michigan. For me, that was a pro style program. Five years I got to learn how to drop back past to read defenses, to read coverages, to be coached. I had to learn from being seventh quarterback on the depth chart to moving up to third to ultimately being a starter. I had to learn all those things in college. That was development. Then I went to New England and I was developed by Coach Belichick and the offensive staff there. I didn't start my first year. I think it's just a tragedy that we're forcing these rookies to play early. But the reality is the only reason why they are is because we dumbed the game down, which has allowed them to play. It used to be thought of at a higher level. We used to spend hours and hours in the off season and training camp, trying to be a little bit better than next year. But I think what happens is discourages the coaches from going to deep levels because they realize the players don't have the opportunity to go to a deep level. So they're just going to teach them where they're at. So that's the one perspective from Tom Brady. But then Evan Cohen, Tommy and Michelle Smallman on the sportsman like this morning, Evan's idea on red-shirting NFL Ricky quarterbacks. Think of that was Caleb Williams. What if hypothetically the NFL had a rule that all rookie quarterbacks had a forced red shirt ear paid? Forced red shirt ear. You can either not, there's two ways of looking at this in my mind. Either after the whole season, you're not eligible for any game or you're eligible after week nine, let's say full salary. I believe if we did that, QBs would be further developed and we'd have a deeper group of quarterbacks at that position. I just don't see that happening. Yeah, you need to give the fans something to care about. You need to give the fans that hope you're trying to put butts in seats. Can you imagine if the Chicago Bears this year said Caleb Williams is our future and in order to protect his development, he's going to sit a year. We drafted him number one overall. I think he'd be better long term. Right. But what what would bears fans have to say about that? This is a city and an organization that has been desert thirsty for a franchise quarterback for decades. And you finally feel like you have the guy. There's all of this talent around him and even if it is the best thing for his development long term for him to sit for him to get acclimated within the organization and the game and the scheme, they're not going to do that because that's not what the fans want. And you have Matt Eber Flush trying to save his job. Yeah, it's not an automatic Tommy that if you just set sit all the rookie quarterbacks, that if they just said that with more seasoning, they could be able to be Patrick Holmes or great quarterbacks. That's not that way for everybody. That's not true. No, this is the ultimate painting with a broad brush discussion. And it just I think it's it from start to finish. It's it's silly. First of all, the players association would never be collectively bargain to go ahead with that because what is the first thing that that a first round quarterback wants to do? They want to get on to the second contract because that's where they get paid. Correct. Like, you know, you don't want to stop the clock. You want to start the clock. So there's no chance that the players association would ever consent to that. The other thing is is and I heard you guys yelling yesterday and you guys just need to hug it out. Everything. Every situation is different. Like, I know like the two two situations like Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes, did they benefit from sitting? Possibly. You know what else they benefited from being part of great organizations with great offensive coaches. If you put somebody else into that situation, it may not work. If you take a player and put him into the Tampa Bay Buccaneers situation and redshirt him, who's to say that that guy is going to benefit from it? Because Andy Reed isn't coaching the box. You know, Mike, Mike Holmgren isn't coaching the box. So I just think you can cherry pick on both side situations that work and don't work. Like Tom Brady made a lot of good points in my opinion. When you can go from Oklahoma State to Georgia to Florida State in three years as a player because of NIL, there's no question you're not getting coached. So I think it's a deep conversation. Do some guys benefit from sitting and watching? Absolutely. But CJ Stroud didn't need it. You know, found himself in a really good situation where the Texans is being coached well and he's got tremendous talent. So I just don't, this isn't a one size fits all conversation in my humble opinion. All right. More said again, more, more with Tommy as we get ready for Waddle Wednesday on Cap and Jay Hood. Welcome back to Captain Jay Hood on Chicago's home for sports. ESPN Chicago. Tom Waddle. Tom Waddle. Former wide receiver for the Chicago Bears. Guys amazing. 1989 All Madden team and afternoon co-host on ESPN Chicago. I think he's going to start at least eight games in the Nashville Football League next year for a team that's going to give him a chance. It's Waddle Wednesday with Tom Waddle. Listen, I got a pedicure in an hour. When I get back here, the wheels better be spinning, all right? On Captain Jay Hood, ESPN Chicago. It's a Captain Jay Hood morning show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. It's a Waddle Wednesday and Tommy is on the hotline. That'd be the car X tire, and auto hot. Rattle, rattle, thunder, bladder, boom, boom, boom. Good morning, Tommy. How are you? I'm good. Tommy and Giant Jets starts on me. How are you? Patriots, okay. It's the best. Tommy, isn't that the greatest? Oh, it makes me laugh. Like, let me just tell you something. I started looking forward to it all Monday. Yeah, I come to work every day. And I know that whether it's on the air at break before the show, after the show, walk into the garage together, that this dude is going to have me in stitches. He's the funniest bastard going. Wow. You just called him a bastard. It's a compliment. Is that an endearing term to you, Jonathan? The meter is ticking because pay day soon. I don't care. The meter is ticking. Tommy, as you well know, I'm just just just just checking the old account. Call me a bastard anytime. Come ahead. Let's talk a little bit about valus Jones. You greedy. You greedy bastards. Well, you beat it. Hey, about time. Because let me tell you something. Disney, you out mouse had the hand closed when I was looking for money. So I'm totally fine now. No problem. Hey, man. Valus Jones. Okay. Wide receiver running back. What do you think? Go ahead. Oh, yeah, I don't. This is like, there's so many things about this, this crew and what they've done that makes sense to me. And look, I have nothing against the kid. He's not really a kid. He's almost my age, but you call him sir. Yeah. I think we it's like we've seen enough, haven't we? Like, this is my concern. I don't think that if you put him in a game as a wide receiver, you're going to get from him what you would get from somebody else. And I think if you if you put him back on kickoff returns, which these days based on what we've seen and by a lot of people's assessment, it's a glorified running play. Who's more equipped to get more out of that play? Valus Jones or Khalil Herbert? To me, it's Khalil Herbert. So I just don't, you know, maybe in a different life in a different organization, things would have turned out better. But I just don't know why the emphasis on keeping Valus Jones is there. I mean, I understand he was their first draft pick on the offensive side of the ball, but you know, we were told this going to be a really hard team to make this year because the talent has been upgraded. And I agree with that 100%. Look, if he maybe I'm wrong, I mean, it wouldn't be the first time if he steps in and becomes a difference making returner or gives him a spark in certain ways. I'd ask you guys, if we're playing an offense against the Titans in the first game of the season, and there's an opportunity for someone to carry the football, do you want it to be Valus Jones or Khalil Herbert? It's Herbert. Right. So do you trust if if you're not going to go to your top three receivers and you're looking for a fourth guy, would you rather than throw the ball to to Valus Jones or in this case, Tyler Scott? I thought the Tyler Scott Scott. Yeah, great. But what if you could get, and again, this may be pie in the sky, what if you get a draft pick for Khalil Herbert, because you go DeAndre Swift, we have Roshan slotted at two, we can get a draft pick and keep Valus versus release valus. Don't get a draft pick and Herbert's your three. That's fine. Yeah. I mean, like, and it's one of the things I brought up last week is, you know, we have this Valus Jones conversation is is maybe they're trying to, you know, to put him on display for somebody who may be willing to give you a conditional seven. Look, I don't know. I don't know what value he would have out there. But I just don't mean, this ball is going to go to Keenan. It's going to go to DJ. It's going to go to Rome. It's going to go to DeAndre Swift and it'll occasionally go to a backup running back. I don't know why any of us would be ringing. And most people aren't. I don't know, I don't get it, Jonathan. I really don't. I don't. Okay, I have a question for you. This taps into your receiver knowledge. If you, it's a two part, one, a guy like Roma Dunezay looks to me like, he's a polished product coming out of a great program at the University of Washington. We know what DJ and Keenan Allen are. I don't know what they ran offensively at Cincinnati. I don't really pay a lot of attention to Cincinnati football. I'm talking about the university. Shame on you. How hard is it to learn the route tree in the National Football League if you come from a program that is more wide open, more spread. It's not more pro style. That's a and the second part to follow up on that is if you were scouting, would you be more leery to take a receiver from a said, spread, non traditional type program, even though Kevin White, they show the abilities that a receiver has to have. Again, it's not a one size fits all scenario. Look, it's not hard to learn the route tree. I think they even if you guys seen the receiver, the receiver show, I mean, it's the one they did. It's on Netflix right now. I think there was an episode of one or two or three, whatever one it was when they talk about the route tree. It's really simple. You know, I mean, it's all your evens are in routes and all your odds are out routes, depending on what it is. You know, so the route tree isn't hard to learn. The route running is different. So I can watch a guy and I can prove it. Not that I'm some sort of expert, but I can come to a firm conclusion of my own mind about this guy's ability to run routes and how he runs his routes. Like, there's some dudes that are running in cutting routes on their inside foot. You keep it's try to do it today when you leave the studio, try to run a slant route, cutting off your inside foot. You're probably going to fall down and break your ankles and it's some guys do it and it's just it's really it's almost impossible. The one thing that I had about and you mentioned Cincinnati about Tyler Tyler Scott was is I just when I watch him, I struggle with him and how he tracks the football. And if you're if you're a forte, so to speak, or your specialty is to be a deep ball receiver and you struggle to track the ball, that's not going to go well. So like I watched Colin Johnson run his routes and I'm more excited about what he does and I'll be in an Olympic capacity because he's been hurt versus when I watch Tyler run his routes. Now you want to watch someone run routes, put on some tape of Keenan Allen. Oh man. And if you're a football fan and you like receivers, I'm going to tell you you're going to get some blood flow. I mean, it's it's it's crazy fun to watch him run routes and how he uses a defensive backs leverage against him. DJ does some of the same stuff as well. But Keenan Allen's just is he's at a different level, man. He is and it's fun to watch those guys. You know, the really good the best route runner in the National Football League, in my opinion, who has been the last couple of years is Devontae Adams, his shake at the line of scrimmage and his ability to, you know, to run every route in a precise fashion is is elite. I'm not telling you he's the overall best receiver in the league, but the best route runner in the league to me has been for years has been Devontae Adams. But I mean, it's it's easy to watch. I would just tell you if you're trying to determine whether or not somebody's got it put on Keenan's tape and then put on somebody else's tape and that tape isn't going to match up because Keenan is a borderline Hall of Famer, but just watches tendencies and watch how he does something. And if this guy over here, Player X can mimic some of that stuff, then you got something if he's doing things completely opposite of the way that that a real good technician is doing it, then you got to be a little bit buddy hoodie. Tommy walks into training camp. You remember from the University of Oklahoma? He was a second or third round pick. The Bears select Joaquin Iglesias. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I do. Tommy walks into camp. This is a true story. He walks into camp, not there five minutes. This is what this dude run two or three routes. He goes, we spent what pick on him? He can't play and he was gone. And no chance. Yeah, that's what I mean. Your ability is because you did it. That one was, I'd like to take credit for it being brilliant on it, but that was so obvious anyone could have seen it. No, no, no, because our scouts didn't. That kid was a rookie and we had spent a second or third round pick on that guy. It's funny. You mentioned not anyone could do it. This is the one thing I would say to you guys after watching hard knocks last time. I mentioned it on the post game show was it feels Jonathan, like for the first time in a long time, it all makes sense. And the program is being run by adults who there is a reason and there is an explanation behind everything they do. Like when they walked you through their interest in Matthew Judont and Ryan Folt-Poles has got a folder and they're talking about everything, like that's the kind of stuff that encourages me behind the scenes. It lets me know that everything is pointed in the right direction. Doesn't guarantee anything. Tell me I said to Hoodie, Hoodie was talking about that very scene. And when Paul said, we don't make the trade without a contract extension. And if he won't extend with us, we're going to not finalize the deal. Discipline. You know, Ryan Pace, you know, Jonathan, Ryan Pace would have been just getting what he wants. Everything. Here you go. And now, you know, you're trying to get through the baby oil and the glitter in Atlanta, the clubs. Oh, yeah. More with Tommy on a one on Wednesday on the Captain Jay Hood Morning Show. If you missed something, get the podcast on the ESPN Chicago app. Jeff and Jay Hood are back on Chicago's home for sports. ESPN Chicago. It's a waddle Wednesday on the Captain Jay Hood Morning Show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. So we know what Thursday is. It's really an evaluation of the two's, three's and four's and who's going to get cut after that game? So Tommy, is there any tough cuts that the Bears should consider here? Because that's going to be the showcase coming up against Kansas City who's making who won't. Having been there before, it's kind of a brutal experience. After a while, you just get numb to it, you know, he's just like, okay, I'm getting cut again. Maybe it be brought back on the practice squad. But the, you know, the first couple of times, it stings a little bit. I, you know, I'm interested in tight end. You know, you're going to keep Mercedes, obviously, you've got Everett, you've got Cole, you know, Shane Waldron's offense. Jonathan is very tight and centric. Are you going to keep an extra tight end? Is it going to be, you know, my buddy, Brendan Bates from my high school, who also wears number 87? Yeah, is it going to be Tommy Sweeney, BC guy? Like, I got a connection to some of these guys. You do or, or are you going to go with three? Are you going to keep Kari Blassen game? Who I think is a really good football player, but are you going to keep him over an extra tight end? Are you going to keep a tight end over him? I think, you know, whether or not they decide to keep, they keep Cleo Herbert. I think that that's an issue as well. I think, you know, there was a time early in, in, in camp, Jonathan, where I thought Nate Davis could have been, you know, a potential, you know, guy that would be, I don't think that's the case anymore. But on the offensive side of the ball, yeah, I think, and then I'm, you know, on the, on the edge, Daniel Hardy's had a really good, had a really good camp. Oh, he's got nothing to be cut. Yeah, but, oh, Bondo Amico, he's like, Hey, what about me? Like, he's going to make the football team. He's been, he made splash plays last Saturday. Yeah, I mean, that's why, I mean, that's another thing that I think is so encouraging to me is, like, if you put the tape on of their first three preseason games, our twos and threes are better than the opponents twos and threes, and those are good football teams, you know, it's the Texans and it's the Bills and it's, you know, it's the Bengals. Those are good football teams. And when our backups are standing up to them and if not playing better, I think the overall depth and talent on this team is really good, which makes some of these cuts difficult. Yeah, I think on the offensive side, I'm really interested to see curry blast and games done some nice things. I get it. The full Beck's not as it's a position anymore. He's a good player, buddy. I mean, he really is. Yeah. So don't know, I think on that side of the ball, that's where you're going to find, there are going to be some interesting decisions at half Tommy, how do you handle the quarterback position? Because Austin Reed is an undrafted kid who got five grand to sign. He's on your practice squad. Okay, so that means Brett Rippen gets cut, right? Or maybe you're dealing, right? I mean, look, it's Brett Rippen, I think did some really good things that, you know, maybe attractive to somebody else who's looking for a backup quarterback, Tyson Beijing, Beijing should back up. So he's a good player. He is. He is. And like he's growing. He would, to me, if you go back to mini camp in OTAs, I thought he was the most impressive guy in there. And that's, again, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he should. I, he had some growth. I thought he comported himself well last year in a tough situation when he made four starts. I'm just telling you, I saw growth in him even in OTAs and mini camp that was really impressive. And obviously, you know, you've seen he's continued to do some nice stuff. So yeah, I think it's going to be interesting, John, then it's going to be more difficult to make this team as they projected when camp started than the last couple of years. In terms of getting cut, I don't want to bring up bad memories for you. Oh, it's fine now. I'm cast. But you're on the verge of being a grandfather. Yeah. Next week. Next week, he'll be a grandfather. That's so freaking cool because I can't wait. I was at, which one of your kids was I sitting in the parking lot at the church listening to Carrie would make his debut before they're christening. What year was it? Carrie would made his major league debut in 1998. I don't know. My kids are 31, 29, 26 and almost 21. So 26, who's 26? That's Leah. That's who it was. And now you're going to be a grandfather, but I don't want to bring back bad memories for you on the verge of such greatness in the family. But what was it like driving the Hallows Hall? There's no Twitter. There's no Adam Schefter, Jay Glazer, Tom Pellissero, Ian Rappaport, and you're pulling up and they tell you that DITCA wants to see you. Well, it's really, I've probably told you the story in the past. The first year I was there, the late ad Hughes was my wide receivers coach. So I was told, I made it to the last cut. I was told that, you know, when you drive down Washington Avenue and Lake Forest to the old Hallows Hall, if your position coach is out there, it's not a good sign. And I was thinking about it as like, well, they got to cut some of us at every position. So what's the difference? But that's how it was advertised to me. So I pull in and I walk across the street, Ed's there. He goes, coach would like to see you. So you take the wall. And I kind of knew I was going to get cut. I'd had a really good camp as a rookie undrafted free agent, but I knew it wasn't making the team. I was hoping to catch on on the practice squad, which had just been installed, I think, in '89. And you go upstairs and you knock on the coach's door, or Mary, his assistant was like a coach you'll see and you walk in. Mary, I was scared. I was scared to death of him, especially early, still to this day on 57. And he'd sit down and I think he said to me, he goes, John, you had a great camp. Did everything we asked you to do. You know, you didn't miss a practice. Don't think you dropped a ball. But look at yourself, son. How can I keep you? You're six foot tall. You're 175 pounds and you're as slow as I am. We're going to cut you, but we're going to bring you back on the practice squad. I got that same speech three times, guys. Like I got it in '89. I got it in '90. I got it in '91, but they brought me back. Thank you, Tommy. As always.