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(crunching) - Chicago. - This is your morning routine. - Listen to respect my name. - Cap and G hood. - That's right, that's right, we're bad, huh? - Watch the show on Twitch. Follow ESPN 1000 Chicago. - Swing the show on the ESPN Chicago app. - And on in there. - 100.3 HD2, and on ESPN 1000 Chicago. Now, no, no, no. David Kaplan and Jonathan Hood. - Good morning, everyone. - Bring 'em out, bring 'em out. - Woo! ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪ - Oh, God. Welcome into the Cap and G hood morning show. On ESPN 1000, and we're streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. With David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you, we've got, Jay, we got Jay Moore, we got you for the three hour ride here on this Tuesday morning. We'll open phone lines for you at 312-332-ESPN-332-3776. That's our telephone number in Cap. Yesterday, when we got off the air, I go to the Jules. Grand crossing. Go to the Jules, bumping seniors out the way so I can get to the fruit, so I can get to the, to the meat, you know, moving, moving people out of the way 'cause you could do that early on a Monday morning. And I still got my bear's cap on. And the guy that's stocking the bread on the shelves is telling me, hey, what do you think of those bears? 'Cause he sees me with the bear's cap on. I go, you know what? The bears have an opportunity to be really good. I think they could be a playoff team this year. And the guy that's stocking the bread tells me goes, you know what? I really love this Caleb Williams. I think we got something here. I said, I think so. I said, we'll see. Have a good day. So not just on television, not just on our show, but even around the bread aisle at the Jules, everyone's talking about the bears. - Everybody is excited by the bears. And what we think we might have a quarterback. Now I'm, as Shea said, I'm driving the hype train because I have two sources, as Adam Schefter would say. I've got my right eye, I've got my left eye. And I know what I'm looking at. I know what I watched over the last three years in college for this kid, Oklahoma. And then a Heisman Trophy winning season at USC. And then another season at USC. And pro days and everything else. And so I'm all in. That's the guy. He'll be the best quarterback in the history of the franchise as long as he stays healthy. That's the only proviso in a violent, violent game. However, I was talking with someone yesterday that someone played in a national football league for a long, long time, he had the coaches film. He put it on and he called me. He's like, let me ask you a question there, brother. I said, what's that? He said, why are you so over the moon automatically over what you've seen him do in limited work in the preseason and the practices you've been fortunate to get to go to? I said, because I could tell this kid's the guy. He started reading me numbers. He's like, remember when Jay Cutler did this? Remember when Rex Grossman, like the first half of the season was like the MVP candidate and the Bears were rolling along back in '05, '06? He said, your boy Mitch threw six touchdowns and we all went, ooh, I think he's figured it out. Look at that read. He said, maybe the throws were easy because they were open but you had to get there. He said, Justin, he goes, just go back last year against Arizona. He goes and Justin hit a dart to DJ Moore in the back left corner of the end zone. He had like a tight window and got it in there and DJ got his feet down. He goes, my point is, why are you all over the moon like we finally got our guy? He said, he didn't look great against Cincinnati at the first four drives. He said, yeah, he made a great throw to Roma Dunesé down the left side. He said, dropped it in the bucket to Tyler Scott and got it passed interference. He said even the throw to Roma in the back corner of the end zone where he was out of bounds past the end line, he said was a heck of a play. But he said, the first four drives, the first five drives of the game pumped the brakes here, buddy and stopped, he goes, pull the hype bus over and let this thing play out. I said, you gotta understand something, my friend. My partner, hoodie, me, Sylvie, Carmen. We didn't play the anaphylic waddle, you, your go. We are starved for a quarterback and the reason that we don't give the credit to what we've seen before, Jay, Mitch in moments, Justin, Rex, whoever it was is because we know how it turned out. We know that it failed. Jay was the epitome of mediocrity, 52 and 52 as a starting quarterback, not especially well-liked by his teammates as a leader. Tough guy, big arm, had his moments. Justin, good dude, great athlete. We know how it turned out and they got a sixth round pick, maybe a fourth form. We know Mitch never made it and we left Patrick Mahomes on the board. So we're jaded, we're colored by the judgment of, we've already seen where that was gonna go. We've got hope here and people around the league, Tyree kills tweeting, it reminds me of dot, dot, dot, obviously he's talking about Patrick Mahomes. I said, so you have to understand what we've seen, maybe we've seen it before in splashy moments, but we look at this kid, we listen to experts and our heart is involved, is that fair? - Absolutely fair. And as a fan, you have the right to be optimistic or pessimistic about your team. - Here's the thing, it's our right to feel how we want about our athletes and about our team cap. Excitement about something new and fresh on a team is as old as the hills when you get a draft class, when you get what you think is a generational talent, whatever it is, you're excited about it because it's new to your roster, it's new to your team, it's new to your eyes. And so for him or anyone else to look at Caleb Williams and say, pump the brakes, hey, I understand that. Because my point of view is, is that I look at Caleb Williams, like any other rookie that comes into the NFL, especially at the quarterback position, and that is saying that there's going to be some ups and downs. As he was drafted cap, I said on the air to you that I like Caleb Williams, but he's gonna learn just like Patrick Mahomes and anybody else. And so I'm excited about what's new, I have the right to do that. And I'm hoping that he can provide some great moments and for this team to get to the playoffs in his first year. There's nothing wrong with feeling that way. We can say pump the brakes all you want. Bottom line is, I've got two good eyes too and know that it's not all going to be Rosie. Hell, Eberflu said that after the game, he goes, hey, it's not going to be perfect. And it's not because he's a rookie, but we're here for the ride. That's the thing, we're here for the ride and we want to enjoy it. - That's exactly correct. We are here for the ride, that's one. But two, when I watch Caleb drop that pass to Roma Dunesay after going through his reads, when I watch him evade a defender and make that throw. Yes, has Justin done that in moments? Absolutely, absolutely. It just looks and feels different. And then as I told you, I spent some time with a couple of current bears at an event we had to do. And I'm asking these guys, no microphone, no camera, tell me about Caleb. Dude, he's different, I've played with a lot of guys. He's different, he's different. He just, the way he processes, the way he picks things up, his inquisitiveness, the way he asks questions, it's different than what was here, different. And I have not played with a guy like this. He's going to be a superstar. So I hear all those things and that probably also colors our judgment. Yeah, listen, I am not going to tell you not to be excited. Why wouldn't you be, why would you not be excited? Because again, you're looking to try to find that talent at quarterback where you say, I don't have to worry about this guy for a decade because he has the ability to grow every single year. And as he grows, the hope is, is that the team grows. However, cap, just like I look at any of these other rookie quarterbacks that's in this class, including Bo Nix and everyone else, I'm looking at it with a keen eye saying, all right, I saw what you did in college. Now it's the pros, it's the big time. Caleb Williams, as we talked about yesterday on Bears Monday, hey, he's not going to have the five, six, seven seconds to do loop-to-loops, waiting to be able to find a way to either run into the end zone for a touchdown or for him to throw for one. It's got to be out in two and a half seconds. He's going to have to learn that. And there's going to be some times where he's going to flash back to USC and think, oh man, this offensive line, they're doing a great job. I can just sit back here, pack the ball a few seconds more, a little bit of, no, not in the NFL. And he'll learn that. When we do our Bears Mondays and when we talk after Bears, wins or losses, we're going to look at Caleb Williams and say, man, that was a great play. Those are a great series of plays. And then we're going to be like, what was he thinking there? But you know why? Because he's a rookie. And I'm excited, but I understand what this is. It's a learning process. - I do understand as well, but you know my personality. I'm either all in or I'm all out. Everything is black and white with me. There is no gray. And maybe that's a fault of mine, but I'm cool with that fault. That's just who I am. And that's how I choose to fan. - Understand? - Again, I told you this many, many, many times. I learned my lesson. You fan how you want a fan. You want a panic in April and a baseball season? Have at it. You want a panic through one game of an NFL season? Have at it. You also want to be over the top that we got our guy. We're here. Let's go. I know there's going to be mistakes. I know he's going to throw a pass. Be like, what the heck is he looking at? How does he get picked off there? Had a guy wide open on the other side. He's a rookie. We'll hear from Tom Brady. He talked about rookie quarterbacks. We'll get to it. I just, there's something different about this kid. Something special. - Kep, this is why the show works because we're two different personalities. We might have a lot of things in common from our past and present, but here's why the show works. You're all in and it is black and white for you. And I'm all in as well, but also I look at it with perspective and history and knowledge of knowing that I can't be on the roller coaster of ups and downs. I can't do that. I can't do this for a living. I used to do that as a living and just doing ups and downs when I was younger doing this. I can't do this now at 51, and here's why. It's because if I go, Caleb Williams is the best and he's going to be the greatest. And then he loses the game. I can't go down the roller coaster and go, God, that guy sucks. What was he thinking? Oh my God, he's the worst. Because you know we get that, right? Whether it is our show, whether it's on television, they ride the crest, the ups and downs of, this guy's going to be great or when he loses the game or has three turnovers, oh my God, you know what? That guy's the worst. So to me, it's always in the middle that he has an opportunity to grow. And again, I'll say it for a thousand times on the show. I like this and you like this because he set up to succeed. Jay didn't have this, Justin didn't have this. Mitch didn't have this as far as the depth chart. They didn't have looking at all the weapons from a running back standpoint, tight end standpoint, wide receiver standpoint. They're trying to figure out the offensive line. There's not been a quarterback in years that have been set up like this. This is why that there's optimism. No one's saying Super Bowl. Well, I guess there's one guy, Nick Wright saying Super Bowl. But no one around here is saying Super Bowl because we haven't seen it in the regular season yet. And I think that's just fair to be able to watch and see how Waldron and Williams work, how the offense in Williams works, how Ibrah Flus in Williams work. I think that's all fair to see how it works. And I think the end result is going to be satisfying. I really do at the end of the season. That's a great way to put it. The end result will be satisfying. The journey will be cool. There's going to be Mondays where you and I walk in here and go, I cannot believe they lost to the Arizona Cardinals. I can't believe it. We offset Houston and Houston. Those aren't predictions. Those are just examples. Right. Oh my God. Like, did you see Caleb be through for 420? Oh my God. And then two weeks later, he's got four picks. That is what happens when you ride with a rookie quarterback. I'm going to have to keep the sharp stuff away from you if we fall short against Arizona. Yeah. You're going to be right. Not a Kyler Murray yet. Neither am I. So are you on the hype train or are you more of a skeptic when it comes to the Bears? We had some of this that came in yesterday for our Bears Monday show. So Cap and I want to get your phone calls. Shay, let's open the phone lines. 312-332-ESPN-3323776 for the Bear Fan. Are you on the hype train or are you more of a skeptic? Team Cap, Team Hoodie, in this regard about how you look at Caleb Williams? I don't know if there's a right or wrong answer. We just want to find out just your gut reaction to what you've been seeing and hearing regarding Caleb Williams. On the home of the Bears, Cap and Jay Hood on ESPN-1000. [MUSIC PLAYING] This is Cap and Jay Hood. They beat in the traffic commute. So you don't have to. [MUSIC PLAYING] [INAUDIBLE] On ESPN Chicago. It's a Cap and Jay Hood morning show on ESPN-1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app at 312-332-3776 our phone number. Cap and I are talking to you about Caleb Williams and the hype train. Are you on the hype train or are you a little bit more skeptical about what you might see this upcoming season? There it is, the hype train. We're going to hear from Albert Breyer from SI.com. A Monday morning quarterback coming up at 735 Cap as we get his thoughts. He's had some really great stuff from SI.com regarding his sit down with Caleb Williams and the outlook for the Bears. Yeah, tremendous stuff. And I think he's got a sit down with the Giants GM. He had one with Ryan Polls. The Access Albert gets. And we're so blessed to have him on our show every week. It's unprecedented. I mean, everybody there's good insiders in the league. And then there's Albert. I mean, these guys trust him. And so he literally can go in there and get an hour with a GM. Pretty amazing stuff. Well, I mean, he talked to the best and the Bears. And now he's got to slum it with the Giants. I guess that's OK. The Giants. Giants OK. Terrible. Daniel Jones on the Wellman. OK, on the Wellman. 3 1 2 3 3 2 ESPN 3 3 2 3 7 7 6 is our phone number. Demetri and Madison is with us on Captain Jay Hood. Dee, good morning. Captain Jay Hood, are you all doing now? What's up, brother? I'm good. I'm good, man. Getting my daughter ready for school. OK, so how am I on the high train? I would say I am. I'm cautiously optimistic. You posted an I on team Kaplan or Team Hoodie. I would say I'm on team Jay Kaplan. So I'm both of you. I think that what's different from this time till the previous quarterbacks that we've had, you spoke on the earlier hoodie is. One, this kid is ridiculously talented. I think in the bills game, you saw the pocket awareness. You saw how he can maneuver and complete and complete. You know, what we've seen as difficult passes will pass you bees to be an easy pass for him. And the Bengals game, which I was at, by the way, had a great time, he flashed the escape ability, and you put it all together, and this kid's going to be a superstar. But the real difference between now and back then is that we have the staff to develop him. We have the people in-house who can bring this kid along, and they can be superstar. And the last thing I'll say is this. Kaplan always says, Kaplan always says, "Fan, how you want a fan?" My success, my terms of a successful season this year is just nine wins. I could honestly take her lead playoff game. I'm expecting that next year, but nine wins is the floor for me. So that's what I got. If you have nine wins, I would say that that is a playoff team, for sure. Nine wins because you're going from seven wins, from three wins to seven wins to nine wins. I would say that it will get you in the playoffs in the NFC. I will be exceptionally disappointed if they don't make the playoffs. I will. Now, if there's injuries like massive injury, that happens. It is what it is. And you move on. I don't think the Bengals envisioned a scenario where Joe Burrow is going to have a serious hand injury and be done for the year. I'm hoping Caleb's there for all 17. I feel good about Tyson Vagin as the backup. But I believe in the playoffs. But at the end of the year, the most important thing, if they don't win the Super Bowl, which I don't believe they're going to, is at the end of the year, we go, yep, we got our dude. Yep, we're there. We are good to go going forward. I want to feel like the people in Houston do about CJ Strop. That's how I want to feel. Terrell is in Logan Square on Captain J. Hood. T good morning. Hey, what's up, boys? Nice to talk to you again. Yes, sir. I'm like so far on the high train that like soon as the pick was in, I like bought the official jersey. And you know the name, Stake Williams? That's my last name. So I need this to be right. So yeah, I'm like, I'm with you, Cap. I'm all the way, I'm all the way on the high train. And I'm not even ashamed about it. Yeah, that's just how I choose to fan. And again, I get that my dear friend who played in the league and is watching the tape with a different eye. Yesterday says to me, slow your role. I'm like, dude, we haven't seen this. He's like, you haven't? He starts reading me games that J played. He's like, you haven't? And you write me a couple of games that Rex played. He said, the first month, the year we went to the Super Bowl, he goes, people were saying Rex is a MVP candidate. He said, your boy mixed through six touchdowns in the whole city with nuts. He said, come on, man, what are we doing here? He said, alone. I'm like, nope, that's not how I fan. I know what my eyes tell me, and I know what I believe. And I'm, again, maybe I'm wrong, but my judgment of the others is colored simply because I know how it turned out. That's right. That's right. Your arm with the knowledge of what happened before. Right, I know. OK, Mitch, through six touchdowns against Tampa. Nice. He had an amazing game. They lost 38-31 to the Patriots. He had that one touchdown where he ran all over the place, like 50 yards, but it was only like a 25-yard touchdown. He was getting chased, and he got in the end zone. Everyone went, oh my god. That's what an athletic play. I know how it turned out. I know he didn't make it. I just braced myself from all in, all out, where there's only two different avenues, Kab. I don't like that because you know what happens, right, after the first loss of the Bears. And if Caleb Williams doesn't have a good game, it's like, we should have kept Justin. This sucks. OK, well, I'm not listening to that at all. I don't want that because I understand that this year and the next year and the next year, that Caleb Williams has the opportunity, especially with this iteration of the Bears, led by Ryan Polls, I think that this guy could really be a cornerstone for this franchise, not just for this year, but moving forward. I just know that looking at Caleb Williams and looking at what he has to work with, he has a great opportunity, man. And the Bears have a great opportunity to really pay dividends. This doesn't feel like, well, you know, this is just OK. We wait until next year. No, the year is now for the Bears to get to the playoffs. It is. You've tanked, and here's the thing. This is what the general manager says. I'm just following his lead. When Ryan Polls says, OK, you know what? We're setting this thing up to make a move to the playoffs. Then I believe him because look what he's done. Yeah. That just has to manifest itself in the field. As we go to Decatur, here's Pete on cap and Jhood. Pete, good morning. Good morning. Hi, Pete. How are you? Well, well, Pete, thank you. I'm not on the hype train yet because of the last two years. There's been nothing but hype around this team, and I can't take it anymore. So my point is I have issues with their offensive line. I think it's the worst line in the division. And my other point is, Caleb, I think, will be great. But right now, starting out, as of now, I would say he's the third best quarterback in the division. But I think he will improve. It's probably going to take four or five games, and then we'll start seeing some magic. And that's my thought. And I would be happy with nine wins. Pete, is that golf at the top in the division for you, from Detroit? Yes. And then Green Bay's quarterback, unfortunately, because I hate them. So Jordan Love and then Caleb. Yes. OK. I mean, as of now, I'm not saying maybe five games from now, he'll be the number one. That's what I'm hoping for. I hope I'm wrong. But like I said, the hype from the last two years has just taken it out of me. I can't get hyped up when I-- anymore. I've been a bear fan since the '60s, and I've seen decades of losing. But young people haven't seen as much as I have. Sounds like now, people and also the dog has seen a lot of losing over the years going back to the '60s cap. Yeah, and it's fair enough. I get people who are reserved in their judgment. My friend, who I was talking with, who will remain nameless, is looking at it with a different eye. Waddle and yurko. Look at it with a different eye. In fact, in talking with my buddy, it sounded like listening to yirk who came out of the gates on the postgame, not the Cincinnati game, but the Buffalo game, and said, yeah, B minus. He did this wrong. He did that wrong. Because Johnny looks at it in a different perspective, a different way. He looks at it like he was watching film with his head coach when he was playing. And I get that, and it's a great perspective. They were blessed to have him, and Waddle will be able to do that for us. I didn't play in the NFL. I love football. Feel like I know football. But I did not get my head knocked in every week in the NFL. I didn't sit in film rooms as a player. So I look at it with my perspective. I'm all in. Mark and Naperville on the cap and Jhood Morning shows we talk about Caleb Williams and the Bears. Hey, Mark, good morning. Good morning. So I'm thinking that I'm so glad that everyone's talking about Caleb. I'm stoked for him, too. Pudi, I'm probably more on your side in terms of being cautiously optimistic, because we've seen it happen so many times. But I'll tell you, no one's talking about this defense, and we are going to just kick ass. This is going to be a great season. And Caleb's along on a great team, but it's a team. It's not just Caleb. But yeah, hope you stay healthy and bear down. Bear down, sir. We appreciate it. It's funny you bring up the defense, Cap, because we've seen splash plays from the defense. Some of the guys that will be backups. And so as we were talking to Courtney about this yesterday, Courtney Crony who covers the Bears for ESPN.com. Cap, I said that if this is going to be like Montes Sweat and the no-name defense and they're making plays, I'm fine with that. If you're not going to make a move to be able to have someone on the other side of Montes Sweat that can rush the passer. And you feel like you can move forward to Marcus Walker and Andrew Billings and Drvonne Dexter, and then Austin Booker and his development and some of these other-- if they get to the quarterback cap, that's fine, because you have time between now and the deadline to be able to make moves or trades if you want to. I just want the Bears to be as strong as we saw toward the back end of the season last year. Now, Evil Fluis was not happy, by the way, about the defense and the way they played against Cincinnati, especially early on. He wasn't happy about like, it was 7 for 13, something like that on third down. Yeah, he did not like that they were getting gashed early in the ballgame, especially by their third straight and quarterback. Yes, he wasn't happy about that. And my hope is, is that this defense doesn't give up those kind of chunk plays either. Like, our last caller says he's excited about the defense. OK, well, I just know the secondary and the linebackers are solid. I look at-- especially Collar Gordon, that last game we saw. But I want to see who else can get to the quarterback besides Montes Sweat on a regular basis to put pressure on the QB. Yeah, that's the key. Got to be able to push the pocket from the interior. Got to have guys on the ends, whether that's Sweat and Walker, Sweat and Booker, Demarcus, Dominique Robinson. There are guys there. I ride or die with Poles. He has earned our trust the way he has rebuilt this thing so quickly. And so if he doesn't want to resign in Gokwe or he does, all in. Let's go. All right, a little bit more insight on Caleb Williams and the Bears coming up with our guy Albert Breer. If you don't hold you, we'll be on the years. We talk to you about the Bears on the home of the Bears. Cap and J-Hoot. Tune in. Checkmate 1-6, landing his suppression on target. That's why I see him in my shot. Shot. Or no shot with Cap and J-Hoot on ESPN 1,000 and ESPN Chicago app. That's why I see him in my shot. Good morning and welcome in to the Cap and J-Hoot Morning show on ESPN 1,000 and streaming on ESPN Chicago app with David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood, with you. Now time for shot and no shot. Here's Shane Orling. Shane? Good morning, boys. On a Tuesday, a hard knocks Tuesday, episode three tonight. After a-- I think most people agree disappointing episode two. How are we feeling? I'm excited, man. I just wish I could had coffee in front of me. I told Jay Moore, so my wife's listening to the show. She brought me a hot coffee with cream and a cold brew. I kicked the cold brew over by mistake. OK, here. Hoodie said to me, check out Ryan Clark, the ridiculous outfit he's wearing. Who wears a hoodie with a double-breasted sport coat? OK. And I like that guy's style. All right, let's be clear. If you're going to bring it up this way, let's be accurate. We're about accuracy here. Accuracy is, as I said, cap, turn on the get-up, find out. And I said, what do you think of Ryan Clark's outfit? It's what I said. It's horrible. OK. I didn't give a comment on it. I just want to know, as a fashionista, that you are, what you thought of it. And you are not hoodie with a jacket over it guy. You don't like that look. No, like a track jacket or a warm-up check, that's fine. A double-breasted sport coat with a white hoodie, the double-breasted sport coat is like a little darker than cub's blue. Yeah. No, and then it doesn't fit him. It's too tight when he stands up, like, come on. And he said, you know, he's a great style. And as I'm turning it on, I go, oh, god, coffee everywhere, everywhere. The four woman has kind of continued to clean after you, clean up after you. So I've gone through, like, half a roll of paper towel. I'm trying to get under the couch going, oh, god. There's another ice cube. It's her fault, though, because you asked for her for tea. All right, we go now. Wow, too. Did you not? She's going to come down there and punch you. You said the tea. Tea. Take that. It should bring to you a cold brew. Now what you ask for? Shout out, no shot here, Shane Orley. All right, well, after a week of people maligning hard knocks for being broadcast on PBS, not having the classic HBO edge to it, really the classic hard knocks edge. A lot of people suggesting that the bears may have been involved in cleaning this up and putting a more pure pristine image out. Virtually everybody I know complained about just that aspect of it. Shout or no shot. The complaints will be heard. There will be swears in tonight's hard knocks. That's a no shot. That's a no shot, yeah. I'm with you. If George has been rumored, not reported rumored, doesn't want cursing in the show to show him more wholesome bears, Cam. Why would he change? Because we've complained. We've complained about his ownership since he took over the chairmanship many, many years ago, and things didn't get better for a long, long time. So now he's going to listen? No, no shot. No, absolutely not. It's going to be the same. By the way, George can speak to you as by his absence. By the way, I find interesting. Have we seen him at all in this series? We have not. We have not. OK. There's got to be at some moment. They're going to-- maybe they don't talk to him, but he's got to be on a scooter or whatever. I don't think he wants anything to do with this. And he just said recently, he was interviewed. He goes, we did not want to do this. He was, again, kicking and screaming. Didn't want to do this. You know what he said? What did you just say? We did not want to do this. The bears. That's not entirely accurate, because people I've talked to up there are really, really excited for the league to see what exactly is cooking in Chicago. George may not have wanted to do it, but it's not a we thing. Cap, George is the bears. The McCasky family are the bears. Are the other McCaskys that said they want to be part of this? That I don't know. OK. When I say we, I mean McCasky. I think that, I mean, more times than that, when we talk about the bears hierarchy management, it starts with him. And I would just tell him if he walked in and sat with us in the studio, and I hope at some point, when we're up there broadcasting again, that we can have a bite at the apple of just sitting and chatting with him, because he's a very nice man. He's a die-hard Chicago sports man. I would tell him, George, you're wrong. This is a good thing for the Chicago Bears and their brand. A good thing. That's fair. And so you know what happens, Shay? You know, when you had the library of Hard Knocks, Baltimore, Dallas, Miami, Houston, Jets, Rams, all of a sudden, there'll be a gap there in the 2024 season. Hey, anyone seen the Bears, Hard Knocks? Anyone seen it? Off the shelves, like it didn't happen. All of a sudden, there'll be a gap in the series. Delete it. If you were going to buy the box set back in the day, the bears would be, anyone seen the bears? No? Oh, OK. So if they keep giving us more of what we've gotten in the first two episodes, I'm going to pretend like it didn't happen. The first episode was awesome. It's fine. It's just that it's not going to be the Hard Knocks that we saw in the past. After the first one, I figured, oh, this is rated G. OK. It's going to be family-oriented. It's going to be about Caleb Williams, Bad Eber Flus, and that'll be all. You're not going to get the raunchy, raw Hard Knocks of the past, because that's not what the Bears want to portray. Hey, that's fine. Shea. All right, Bears players have started to speak very highly of the culture that Matt Eber Flus is built at Hallis Hall. Kyler Gordon raved about the accountability, the standard that players have for each other, said everybody's holding them to the same standard 24/7. They're on top of it. They're on each other about it. Tremaine Edmunds said sort of the same thing. Said everybody's able to be authentic. They're able to be themselves. Nobody's presenting an image that isn't what they would be behind closed doors. Eber Flus responsible for creating that atmosphere. Shot or no shot in year three, Eber Flus is finally proving he can build a culture. Again, he's got to win football games. But that's a shot, because we've been talking about this. Everyone in the media, can we get Jim Harbaugh? Can we get Mike Vable? Can we upgrade? We upgraded here. Why didn't we upgrade head coach? And I kept asking players with no microphone, no camera, unfiltered, multiple guys. And every single guy said, you on the media have no clue how good this guy is. He holds us accountable. We're hearing that from Kyler Gordon. He is absolutely authentic. And we love playing for this dude. And that's why we play so hard for him. Yes, he's got to win football game, so. And he would tell you that. Hey, man, I can't lose 14 games in a row again. Expect to keep my job, because guys like playing for me. But yes, I hear when he is in front of the team, this is from a current player. What's he like in front of the team? Dude, he's awesome, awesome. He challenges us, and we play for that man. Well, I think that-- Well, it's no secret that we did not want to be on the program. Having been selected, we want to be professional about it. We want to do it the right way. We want to be cooperative. If the fans enjoy it, great. I thought Kevin said it very well. It's one lap around the track, and we got four more to go. OK, no one asked you, George. We've moved on. Why is he sticking his beak at it? It's the next question. What is he doing, Cap? We're talking about something else now. I don't know. He says, we didn't want to do it. All right, George, we got you on record. Fine. He said that on a ESPN 1,000. We didn't want to do it. That's what he said. All right, we moved on now. Cap, I will go with you in this regard. That is a shot about setting a culture. But the culture ultimately is about winning. The culture is setting a culture of a standard of winning. The culture, as far as getting along in the locker room, where everything's harmonious, that's one thing. But that's just one element of it. Kumbaya does that equal Super Bowl. Kumbaya means that you have peace within the locker room. Great. There's no drama in there, as far as we know. But the culture has to be set from a winning standpoint first. Along the way, I should say. No question. Along the way. And I would not describe what these guys have told me. Current players, it's not Kumbaya. They said, this dude will challenge you, man. He will call you out. But he does it in such a way where he's not like Brian Flores demeaning. And we'll play the audio. I'm sure it around the NFL of Tua, exactly what he said about Brian Flores. But all these guys have said, he treats us like a man. He challenges us. And guess what? We play for that guy. That's a big thing. Who's Shay Norley, Shay? All right, Tom Brady had a long conversation with Stephen A. Smith ahead of starting his broadcasting career. They talked a little bit about rookie quarterbacks and the process that goes into it. Brady talked about what he considers a tragedy with Kermit rookie quarterbacks in the NFL. There used to be college programs. Now there are college teams. You're no longer learning a program. You're learning a playbook. And the program is ultimately like a Michigan. For me, that was a pro style program. Five years I got to learn how to drop back pass, to read defenses, to read coverages, to be coached. I had to learn from being seventh quarterback on the depth chart, to moving up to third, to ultimately being a starter. I had to learn all those things in college. That was development. Then I went to New England. And I was developed by Coach Belichick and the offensive staff there. I didn't start my first year. I think it's just a tragedy that we're forcing these rookies to play early. But the reality is the only reason why they are is because we dumb the game down, which has allowed them to play. It used to be thought of at a higher level. We used to spend hours and hours in the off season and training camp. Trying to be a little bit better than next year. But I think what happens is discourages the coaches from going to deep levels. Because they realize the players don't have the opportunity to go to a deep level. So they're just going to teach them where they're at. Shot or no shot. Tom Brady is right. Well, who am I? A guy talking on the radio who did not play quarterback and win seven Super Bowls to tell him he's wrong. And example after example of Tom Brady sat. And Aaron Rodgers sat and Patrick Mahomes sat. And there are other examples of really, really accomplished quarterbacks who took an entire redshirt year in the National Football League or more and learned how to play. Brett Favre, he sat, then got traded away. So yeah, there's no shot that Brady's wrong. He's right. Shot. Oh, OK. It's a long conversation, Che. It is. But I'll just use this point. So he gave an example cap of what football was when he played in college in Michigan and what it is today. He mentioned the word team versus program. In 2024, because of the portal, you're just glomming on and trying to connect to a team. Get your numbers and get out. That's kind of where it is. If you're a special player, you know, you are going to be with the team for a year or two before moving on. The program that he was in was, I'm part of Michigan or whatever college team I'm going to-- I'm going to be there for four years or minimum three years. And I'm going to work through a system through the depth chart to be able to be the number one quarterback. It is different today in which you could be the quarterback one on a college team just because you transferred in from someplace else. You're not earning the spot. You're giving the spot. You're getting paid. Well, yes, but I understand the spot, though. I'm talking about the positioning on the football team. Yes, you're getting paid. Yes, yes. But my overarching point is, is that you are not necessarily always earning the spot. As much as it is, you're a mercenary from another team. We need you because you play at a high level. So you're part of the team. It was a program when he played. It is a team now. And the same thing now going to the NFL. There was a time cap before Shay was born for our younger listeners where the backups in the NFL were as good as the starters because of how strong the depth chart was in the NFL. You recall this, don't you? Yes. Like the starting quarterback in the backup would be like some veteran that was not embarrassing out there. They could also be able to carry the team. It is different today where a guy goes, hopscotches through college, gets to the pros and is like, well, we got to start here right now because our backup sucks or our backup can't get us to where we need to be or we need to develop you quickly. It has changed from the time that Tom Brady was in the league. No question about that. And as he said, even the offenses are far different today. Much more, get it out. Let's go snap balls gone as opposed to how Brady learned to play. Shay. But does that mean that they're dumber? Like, look, I respect Tom Brady's, my favorite player. Didn't say they're dumber. He said they dumbed down the game because they have to-- Literally, that's what he says. He simplify the offense as compared to what it used to be. I understand. But cap, he said, dumb down. So when I say dumber, I'm using his word. And like, I was going to mention, he's my favorite player of all time. I respect Tom Brady. I think he sounds like a boomer. I think he sounds like the old man who's pissed that the game has moved on beyond him. I think it's ridiculous to say that we're forcing rookie quarterbacks to start. Did Peyton Manning sit? No. Did Andrew Luck sit? No. Dude, you were the sixth pick. You were one nine-- six round pick, 199 in the draft. You overcame all of that. I think he's a guy who had a mountain of adversity in his career, reached the mountaintop, and is a little bit angry that nobody else has to go through it. That's what he sounds like to me. I completely disagree. First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, he said, dumb down the playbook. He did not pull the players. He said, dumb down the game. He said, they have to dumb down the game because they have to meet the players where they are. He said, the players aren't taking the deep dive, so coaches can't deep dive either. They have to meet players where they are. Right, because it's all about development. Nick Saban talked about that on the first episode of Hard Knocks. It's about development. And if you listen to Patrick Mahomes, hardly a boomer, he said, best thing that ever happened to me was that I sat. What do you think CJ Stroud would say? Every situation's different. I think Brady's painting with a broad brush. He's calling the game stupid. He's done that before. He said in past interviews, quarterbacks don't play the way I played. They aren't looking at a defense. They aren't changing plays at the line of scrimmage. They aren't calling audibles. They're just taking the play and running it. I think that's true for a lot of-- - They're making his point. They can't audible. They can't read a defense. - Captain, I'm not making that point. That's the point Brady made. If you would listen to what I'm saying-- - That is dumbing down the game, Jay. - I'm saying he's wrong. - You're not listening to me. I'm using Brady's words and saying I disagree with him. You're not listening to what I'm saying. - No, I am. And you never took a snap in your life and he won seven super boys. - I've never directed a movie either, but I can tell you when they suck. - That is such a horrible analogy. You need to just go back to bed then. Just get up, leave, and go home and go to bed. 'Cause that's the dumbest thing you've ever said. Tom freaking Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time. And all you have to do is turn on a game and Lord knows that the biggest thing in your life is watch football and go, it is not as complex as it was when that guy came up. It's get the snap, boom ball up. Caleb Williams didn't know how to take a snap under center. - What was it when Tom Brady came up? Watch Tom Brady's old games. Watch Tom Brady's late games. He's throwing screens. People call them check down, Tom. What are we doing? Like, yeah, Tom was up at the line of scrimmage but so was Peyton, F, and Manning. - Correct me if I'm wrong. He didn't sit his rookie year. - Okay, you're talking about-- - I literally started this off. - Cap, I started this off by saying he's my favorite player of all time. I respect him immensely as a player. It doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he's ever said. - Yeah, well, you sound stupid on this. - He also sells water that's-- - You're so dead wrong. - Like, what are we talking about? He can be wrong. He's not God. - Damn. - On this one, you sound ridiculous. - Damn. - I think Brady sounds like a boomer. It's all I'm saying. - He's not. He's saying you did not get college training like he did for five years and then sit and get trained more. It's gotta go. Let's go. Gotta play. - Yeah, it works just right. - He's loud. - He is right by a mile. - Really? Because CJ Stroud proved he's not. - It's case by case, man. Brady's just painting with a broad brush. - I would also say the reason why that they have to just force feed the rookie in their quickly cap is because the lack of development of quarterbacks on the NFL level as well. - Correct. - As I just laid out earlier, the backup quarterback is not as good as it was back in the day whereas a backup would go right in there, boom, and be able to pick up the offense quickly. This is why if a rookie quarterback struggles, it's because obviously the team's not very good and definitely the backup is not very good. That's why this is why some quarterback struggle. And also this, I told this story before about, who's the quarterback from Hawaii Cap? Cult Brennan? - Cult Brennan, late night legend. - Yeah, so Cult Brennan from Hawaii threw for a million yards, a million touchdowns, right? He goes to the NFL, well, we need you to check it down. Well, I threw it for 10,000, it doesn't matter. You're gonna run our offense. This is how the NFL changed as well. It's like, we want what you did in college, we want what you did in college to be in the pros now. And that's the difference. - Let's just look at the last two bare starters. Did Mitch Trubisky get a chance to develop? Absolutely not. - He did not. - He played 13 games in college. Didn't Justin Fields, by Matt Negi's own admission, he is not ready to start. But we gotta push him in there because he's the first round pick and everybody's gotta ham out and he looks horrible. And we go, wow, Mitch never got developed. Oh, five games into his rookie year, get out there on Monday night football. Dumb, stupid decision-making again. And then Justin, not ready, dumb, stupid decision-making. Maybe Caleb Williams is a rare quality. CJ Stroud, rare, but the majority overwhelming, Brady is a thousand percent right. - All right, we will go around the NFL and that's coming up. 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He starts to come any more. - This is a really thickly built guy. - I mean, what's the answer you're looking for? - Please thank you. - Around the NFL with Shane Orling, Shane. - All right, well, we'll go from boomer to zoomer to attack a violoa. - That's the way to talk about Cap. - To attack, well, to attack a violoa was making headlines yesterday after talking about his experience with Brian Flores. A lot of people fall on either side of this conversation. Just listen to it too ahead to say. - To put it in simplest terms, if you woke up every morning and I told you, you suck at what you did, that you don't belong doing what you do, that you shouldn't be here, that this guy should be here, that you haven't earned this right, and then you have somebody else come in and tell you, "Dude, you are the best fit for this." Like, you are accurate, you are the best, whatever you are at this, you are that. Like, how would it make you feel listening to one or the other? You see what I'm saying? And then you hear it, you hear it, regardless of what it is, the good or the bad. And you hear it more and more. You start to actually believe that. I don't care who you are. You can be the president of the United States. You have a terrible old person that's telling you things that you don't want to hear, or that you probably shouldn't be here. You're gonna start to believe that about yourself. And so that's sort of like what ended up happening. And it was, I mean, it's basically been, what, two years of training that out of, not just me, but you know, a couple of the guys as well that have been here since my rookie year, all the way down that way. Boys is rare shot or no shot in around the NFL. Shot or no shot. Two was soft. Hey, I'm gonna say no shot. The injuries that he has overcome, the hip injury and the this injury, and he gets back out there and earns a 212 million dollar extension. No shot, he's soft. Now are some people better equipped to handle playing for Bobby Knight or Bill Belichick or Brian Flores? Absolutely, no doubt about it. But soft, absolutely not, no shot. So it's a no shot. What he's doing, Shay, is talking about his experience. His experience with Brian Flores. Hey, man, whatever I did, it wasn't good enough for Brian Flores. Okay, but it didn't break him. I'll use me as an example. I had a program director that said, I just want you to talk about sports. The audience doesn't wanna know anything about you. Just talk about the sports. Don't talk about your experiences. Don't talk about what's outside the building. Just talk about sports, sports, sports. No one needs to know where you're from. Just talk about sports. This month marks 19 years of me being at ESPN. I survived if I used that word. I was able to stay longer than the guy that was working here. And so my point is that I'm telling you about my experience, but it didn't break me. I'm still here. So for a Toa's standpoint, Levittard asked a really good question, and Toa just answered it properly. He goes, the difference between McDaniel's and Flores is, is that with Brian Flores, it was never good enough. And with McDaniel, he says, hey, I'm gonna situate the positives and hide the negatives of your game. These are the things that you do well. You need to work on this so we can get more and more and more of it. Toa is more comfortable now than he ever was before because he secured the bag, because he knows he ain't going anywhere. So it's just him speaking his truth. And I think that's fine. You don't get, it's so rare in the NFL, capped as someone is that open and comfortable enough to talk about it. And he's winning at this point in time. - Yeah, that was my biggest takeaway as I watched it. I went, wow, we don't get that type of honesty from a player very often, especially with a coach who's actively in the league and he's actively playing in the league. You know, maybe Michael Jordan at his hall of fame speech is still firing on his high school coach who didn't put him on the varsity or you get a guy in an interview after he's done, yeah, it was really rough playing for so-and-so, I vibe better with this. That type of honesty? What have I told you? You came to work every day, hoodie, and they told you, you suck, you're terrible at what you do. And then another guy came in, we'll call him Danny Satterby. He says, but he, you're the greatest. And you're a perfect fit for what we want here at Good Karma brand. - Yeah, well, what else? - There you go. - Yeah. - I asked the question tongue and cheek because I saw the reaction on social media. - Yeah. - Oh, Toa, he's such a bleep. He's so soft, he personifies Gen Z. They can't take any criticism. You know what this story was to me? It was the same deal as Matt Patricia. It was the same deal as Joe Judge. Brian Flores in Miami walked in thinking his bleep didn't stink because he coached with Belichick and he could show you a couple rings, run you through a brutal camp, give you a hard time as a player, but guess what? You're an uphill Belichick. You can't roll Super Bowl rings across a dining room table and tell everybody, we've got all these banners. So when you do it, like Matt Patricia and Detroit, having guys practice outside for no reason in the snow, running them through a camp where they had more padded practices than ever, verbally, like basically verbally attacking players in meetings, if you're not Belichick, you can't do it. But all the Patriots assistants do. - Yeah. - And I think it's a problem for the guys who don't have Belichick's resume and try to get it off with new players. - I just kept everyone coaches differently. That's why I asked Albert Breyer, we talked to him our last hour, "What does this do for Flores?" Because it's a player's league, man. It's not like they can't be coached, but just the way that to talk about an experience with Flores, it makes me wonder what do teams think about Flores being a head coach for their team in the future? Does that affect it based on what Toa said? I don't know. - Well, I think Albert made a great point when he said this is a huge press conference. This is a crisis moment in Bryant Flores' career because if he goes to the podium and says, "I'm not answering any of those questions," what are you hiding? If he goes to the podium and goes, "Look, "I'm not gonna get into a war of words," but he was too soft and he didn't want to be coached. And now he looks like he's not changed. But if he goes to the podium and says, "Look, "I made my share of mistakes. "I'm at a better place today. "I'm a better coach today. "I learned and I wish to in nothing but the best. "And I wish I had been able to reach him in a better way. "If I'm an owner, I'm like, "Boy, I love his aggressive defense. "I love his blitz packages and his exotic schemes." And it sounds like he's matured. So this is a massive, massive press conference for him today. - All right, how many teams are better than the Bears in the NFC? If you're on hold, you will be on the air. 312-332-ESPN-332-3776 is our phone number. We have a Super Bowl Champion that's going to answer that question for us coming up next on cap and Jhood.