Kap & J. Hood

8/20 7 AM: Is Caleb Williams Being Overhyped?

Hour 1: There's a lot of hype surrounding Bears rookie QB Caleb Williams. Kap riding the "Hype Train" and thinks Caleb will be a massive star after only 2 NFL preseason games. J. Hood is riding the "Slow The Rowboat" and would like to see more from Caleb. Are you Team Kap or Team J. Hood? NFL Insider for SI.com Albert Breer joined Kap & Hoody with updates on Caleb Williams, the Bears and the latest NFL storylines.

Duration:: 46m
Broadcast on:: 20 Aug 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

(crunching) - Chicago. - This is your morning routine. - Listen to respect my name. - Cap and G hood. - That's right, that's right, we're bad, huh? - Watch the show on Twitch. Follow ESPN 1000 Chicago. - Swing the show on the ESPN Chicago app. - And on in there. - 100.3 HD2, and on ESPN 1000 Chicago. Now, no, no, no. David Kaplan and Jonathan Hood. - Good morning, everyone. ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Woo ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Woo ♪ - Oh, God. Welcome in to the Cap and G hood morning show. On ESPN 1000, and we're streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. With David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you, we've got, Jay, we got Jay Moore, we got you for the three hour ride here on this Tuesday morning. We'll open phone lines for ya, 3-1-2, 3-3-2, ESPN, 3-3-2-3, 7-7-6. That's our telephone number and cap. Yesterday, when we got off the air, I go to the jewels. Grand crossing. Go to the jewels, bumping seniors out the way so I can get to the fruit, so I can get to the, to the meat, you know, moving, moving people out of the way 'cause you could do that early on a Monday morning. And I still got my bear's cap on. And the guy that's stocking the bread on the shelves is telling me, hey, what do you think of those bears? 'Cause he sees me with the bear's cap on. I go, you know what, the bears have an opportunity to be really good. I think they could be a playoff team this year. And the guy that's stocking the bread tells me goes, you know what, I really love this Caleb Williams. I think we got something here. I said, I think so. I said, we'll see. Have a good day. So not just on television, not just on our show, but even around the bread aisle at the jewel, everyone's talking about the bears. - Everybody is excited by the bears. And what we think we might have a quarterback. Now I'm, as Shay said, I'm driving the hype train because I have two sources, as Adam Shefter would say, I've got my right eye, I've got my left eye. And I know what I'm looking at. I know what I watched over the last three years in college for this kid, Oklahoma. And then a Heisman Trophy winning season at USC. And then another season at USC. And pro days and everything else. And so I'm all in. That's the guy, he'll be the best quarterback in the history of the franchise as long as he stays healthy. That's the only proviso in a violent, violent game. However, I was talking with someone yesterday that someone played in a national football league for a long, long time, he had the coaches film. He put it on and he called me. He's like, let me ask you a question there, brother. I said, what's that? He said, why are you so over the moon automatically over what you've seen him do in limited work in the preseason and the practices you've been fortunate to get to go to? I said, because I could tell this kid's the guy. He started reading me numbers. He's like, remember when Jay Cutler did this? Remember when Rex Grossman, like the first half of the season was like the MVP candidate and the Bears were rolling along back in '05, '06? He said, your boy Mitch threw six touchdowns and we all went, ooh, I think he's figured it out. Look at that read. He said, maybe the throws were easy because they were open but you had to get there. He said, Justin, he goes, just go back last year against Arizona. He goes and Justin hit a dart to DJ Moore in the back left corner of the end zone. He had like a tight window and got it in there and DJ got his feet down. He goes, my point is, why are you all over the moon like we finally got our guy? He said, he didn't look great against Cincinnati at the first four drives. He said, yeah, he made a great throw to Roma Dunesé down the left side. He said, dropped it in the bucket to Tyler Scott and got it passed interference. He said, even the throw to Roma in the back corner of the end zone where he was out of bounds past the end line, he said was a heck of a play. But he said, the first four drives, the first five drives of the game pumped the brakes here, buddy and stopped, he goes, pull the hype bus over and let this thing play out. I said, you gotta understand something, my friend. My partner, hoodie, me, Sylvie, Carmen, we didn't play the anaphylic waddle, you, your go. We are starved for a quarterback and the reason that we don't give the credit to what we've seen before, Jay, Mitch in moments, Justin, Rex, whoever it was is because we know how it turned out. We know that it failed. Jay was the epitome of mediocrity, 52 and 52 as a starting quarterback, not especially well-liked by his teammates as a leader. Tough guy, big arm, had his moments. Justin, good dude, great athlete. We know how it turned out and they got a sixth round pick, maybe a fourth form. We know Mitch never made it. We left Patrick Mahomes on the board. So we're jaded, we're colored by the judgment of, we've already seen where that was gonna go. We've got hope here and people around the league, Tyree kills tweeting, it reminds me of dot, dot, dot, obviously he's talking about Patrick Mahomes. I said, so you have to understand what we've seen, maybe we've seen it before in splashy moments, but we look at this kid, we listen to experts and our heart is involved. Is that fair? - Absolutely fair. And as a fan, you have the right to be optimistic or pessimistic about your team. Here's the thing, it's our right to feel how we want about our athletes and about our team cap. Excitement about something new and fresh on a team is as old as the hills. When you get a draft class, when you get what you think is a generational talent, whatever it is, you're excited about it because it's new to your roster, it's new to your team, it's new to your eyes. And so for him or anyone else to look at Caleb Williams and say, pump the brakes, hey, I understand that. Because my point of view is that I look at Caleb Williams like any other rookie that comes into the NFL, especially at the quarterback position. And that is saying that there's going to be some ups and downs. As he was drafted cap, I said on the air to you that I like Caleb Williams, but he's gonna learn just like Patrick Mahomes and anybody else. And so I'm excited about what's new. I have the right to do that. And I'm hoping that he can provide some great moments and for this team to get to the playoffs in his first year. There's nothing wrong with feeling that way. We can say pump the brakes all you want. Bottom line is I've got two good eyes too and know that it's not all gonna be rosy. Hell, Eberflu said that after the game, he goes, hey, it's not gonna be perfect. And it's not because he's a rookie, but we're here for the ride. That's the thing. We're here for the ride and we wanna enjoy it. - That's exactly correct. We are here for the ride, that's one. But two, when I watched Caleb drop that pass to Roma Dunesay after going through his reads, when I watch him evade a defender and make that throw. Yes, has Justin done that in moments? Absolutely, absolutely. It just looks and feels different. And then as I told you, I spent some time with a couple of current bears at an event we had to do. And I'm asking these guys, no microphone, no camera. Let's tell me about Caleb. Dude, he's different, I've played with a lot of guys. He's different, he's different. He just, the way he processes, the way he picks things up, his inquisitiveness, the way he asks questions, it's different than what was here, different. And I have not played with a guy like this. He's going to be a superstar. So I hear all those things, and that probably also colors our judgment. Yeah, listen, I am not going to tell you not to be excited. Why wouldn't you be, why would you not be excited? Because again, you're looking to try to find that talent at quarterback where you say, I don't have to worry about this guy for a decade because he has the ability to grow every single year. And as he grows, the hope is, is that the team grows. However, Cap, just like I look at any of these other rookie quarterbacks that's in this class, including Bo Nix and everyone else, I'm looking at it with a keen eye saying, all right, I saw what you did in college. Now, it's the pros, it's the big time. Caleb Williams, as we talked about yesterday on Bears Monday, hey, he's not going to have the five, six, seven seconds to do loop-to-loops, waiting to be able to find a way to either run into the end zone for a touchdown or for him to throw for one. It's got to be out in two and a half seconds. He's going to have to learn that. And there's going to be some times where he's going to flash back to USC and think, oh man, this offensive line, they're doing a great job. I can just sit back here, pack the ball a few seconds more, a little bit of, no, not in the NFL. And he'll learn that. When we do our Bears Mondays and when we talk after Bears, wins or losses, we're going to look at Caleb Williams and say, man, that was a great play. Those are a great series of plays. And then we're going to be like, what was he thinking there? But you know why? Because he's a rookie. And I'm excited, but I understand what this is. It's a learning process. I do understand as well, but you know my personality. I'm either all in or I'm all out. Everything is black and white with me. There is no great. And maybe that's a fault of mine, but I'm cool with that fault. That's just who I am. And that's how I choose to fan. - Understand? - Again, I told you this many, many, many times. I learned my lesson. You fan how you want a fan. You want a panic in April and a baseball season? Have at it. You want a panic through one game of an NFL season? Have at it. You also want to be over the top that we got our guy. We're here. Let's go. I know there's going to be mistakes. I know he's going to throw a pass. Be like, what the heck is he looking at? How does he get picked off there? Had a guy wide open on the other side. He's a rookie. We'll hear from Tom Brady. He talked about rookie quarterbacks. We'll get to it. I just, there's something different about this kid. - I understand. - Something special. - Kept, this is why the show works because we're two different personalities. We might have a lot of things in common from our past and present, but here's why the show works. You're all in and it is black and white for you. And I'm all in as well, but also I look at it with perspective and history and knowledge of knowing that I can't be on the roller coaster of ups and downs. I can't do that. I can't do this for a living habit. I used to do that as a living and just doing ups and downs when I was younger doing this. I can't do this now at 51, and here's why. It's because if I go, Caleb Williams is the best and he's going to be the greatest. And then he loses the game. I can't go down the roller coaster and go, God, that guy sucks. What was he thinking? Oh my God, he's the worst. Because you know we get that, right? Whether it is our show, whether it's on television, they ride the crest, the ups and downs of this guy is going to be great or when he loses the game or has three turnovers. Oh my God, you know what? That guy is the worst. So to me, it's always in the middle that he has an opportunity to grow. And again, I'll say it for a thousand times on the show. I like this and you like this because he set up to succeed. Jay didn't have this. Justin didn't have this. Mitch didn't have this as far as the depth chart. They didn't have looking at all the weapons from a running back standpoint, tight end standpoint, wide receiver standpoint. They're trying to figure out the offensive line. There's not been a quarterback in years that have been set up like this. This is why that there's optimism. No one's saying Super Bowl. Well, I guess there's one guy, Nick Wright saying Super Bowl. But no one around here is saying Super Bowl because we haven't seen it in the regular season yet. And I think that's just fair to be able to watch and see how Waldron and Williams work, how the offense in Williams works, how Ebert Flus in Williams work. I think that's all fair to see how it works. And I think the end result is going to be satisfying. I really do at the end of the season. That's a great way to put it. The end result will be satisfying. The journey will be cool. There's going to be Mondays where you and I walk in here and go, "I cannot believe they lost to the Arizona Cardinals." I can't believe it. We offset Houston and Houston. Those aren't predictions. Those are just examples. Right. Oh my God. Did you see Caleb be through for 420? Oh my God. And then two weeks later, he's got four picks. That is what happens when you ride with a rookie quarterback. I'm going to have to keep the sharp stuff away from you if we fall short against Arizona. Yeah, well, yeah. You're going to be right. Not a Kyler Murray yet. Neither am I. So are you on the hype train or are you more of a skeptic when it comes to the Bears? We had some of this that came in yesterday for our Bears Monday show. So Cap and I want to get your phone calls. Shail us over the phone lines. 312-332-ESPN-3323776 for the Bear Fan. Are you on the hype train or are you more of a skeptic? Team Cap, Team hoodie in this regard about how you look at Caleb Williams? I don't know if there's a right or wrong answer. We just want to find out just your gut reaction to what you've been seeing and hearing regarding Caleb Williams. On the home of the Bears, Cap and Jay Hood on ESPN 1000. This is Cap and Jay Hood. They beat in the traffic commute so you don't have to. Aah! Aah! Say it again. Say something. Oh! On ESPN Chicago. It's a Cap and Jay Hood morning show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app at 312-332-3776 our phone number. Cap and I are talking to you about Caleb Williams in the hype train. Are you on the hype train or are you a little bit more skeptical about what you might see this upcoming season? There it is, the hype train. We're going to hear from Albert Breyer from SI.com and Monday morning quarterback coming up at 735 Cap as we get his thoughts. He's had some really great stuff from SI.com regarding his sit down with Caleb Williams and the outlook for the Bears. Yeah, tremendous stuff. And I think he's got a sit down with the Giants GM, he had one with Ryan Polls. The Access Albert gets, and we're so blessed to have him on our show every week, is unprecedented. I mean, everybody has good insiders in the league and then there's Albert. I mean, these guys trust him and so he literally could go in there and get an hour with a GM. Pretty amazing stuff. Well, I mean, he talked to the best in the Bears and now he's got to slum it with the Giants. I guess that's okay. Giants? Giants, okay. Terrible. All right. Daniel Jones. On the Welting. Okay. On the Welting. 3, 1, 2, 3, 3, 2, ESPN, 3, 3, 2, 3, 7, 7, 6 is our phone number. Dimitri and Madison is with us on Cap and Jay Hood. D, good morning. Cap and Jay Hoodie, how are you all doing now? What's up, brother? I'm good. I'm good, man. Getting my daughter ready for school. Okay. So, how am I on the high train? I would say I am. I'm cautiously optimistic that I used to, you posted a M.I. on Team Kaplan or Team Hoodie. I would say I'm on Team Jay Kaplan. So, I'm seeing both of you. I think that what's different from this time to previous quarterbacks that we've had, you spoke on earlier, who you is. One, this kid is ridiculously talented. I think in the Bills game, you saw the pocket awareness. You saw how he can maneuver and complete, and complete, you know, what we've seen as difficult passes with past UBS to be an easy pass for him. In the Bengals game, which I was at, by the way, had a great time, he flashed the escape ability, and you put it all together, and this kid is going to be a superstar. But the real difference between now and back then is that we have the staff to develop him. We have the people in-house who can bring this kid along, and they can be superstar. And the last thing I'll say is this, Kaplan always said, "Cap always says, 'Fan, how you want a fan?' My success, my turn of a successful season this year is just nine wins. I could honestly take her lead playoff game. I'm expecting that next year, but nine wins is the floor for me." So, that's what I got. If you have nine wins, I would say that that is a playoff team. For sure. Nine wins, because you're going from seven wins, from three wins to seven wins to nine wins. I would say that it would get you in the playoffs in the NFC. I will be exceptionally disappointed if they don't make the playoffs. I will. Now, if there's injuries like massive injury, okay, that happens. It is what it is, and you move on, I don't think the Bengals envisioned a scenario where Joe Burrow is going to have a serious hand injury and be done for the year. I'm hoping Caleb's there for all 17. I feel good about Tyson Beigeant as the backup, but I believe in the playoffs. But at the end of the year, the most important thing, if they don't win the Super Bowl, which I don't believe they're going to, is at the end of the year, we go, "Yep, we got our dude. Yep, we're there. We are good to go going forward." I want to feel like the people in Houston do about CJ Strop. That's how I want to feel. Terrell is in Logan Square on cap and Jhood. T good morning. Hey, what's up, boys? Nice to talk to you again. Yes, sir. So far on the high train that as soon as the pick was in, I bought the official jersey. You know the name stake, Williams, that's my last name, so I need this to be right. So, yeah, I'm like, I'm with you, Cap. I'm all the way. I'm all the way on the high train, and I'm not even ashamed about it. Yeah, that's just how I choose to fan, and again, I get that my dear friend who played in the league and is watching the tape with a different eye. Yesterday says to me, "Slow your role," I'm like, "Dude, we haven't seen this." He's like, "You haven't?" He starts reading me games that J played. He's like, "You haven't?" And he writes me a couple of games that Rex played. He said, "The first month of the year we went to the Super Bowl," he goes, "People were saying Rex is a MVP candidate." He said, "Your boy mixed through six touchdowns in the whole city with nuts." He said, "Come on, man. What are we doing here?" He settled down. I'm like, "Nope. That's not how I fan. I know what my eyes tell me, and I know what I believe, and I'm, again, maybe I'm wrong, but my judgment of the others is colored simply because I know how it turned out." That's right. That's right. You're armed with the knowledge of what happened before. Right. I know. Okay, Mitch through six touchdowns against Tampa. Nice. He had an amazing game. They lost 38-31 to the Patriots. He had that one touchdown where he ran all over the place, like 50 yards, but it was only like a 25-yard touchdown. He was getting chased and he got in the end zone. Everyone went, "Oh my God. That's what an athletic play. I know how it turned out. I know he didn't make it." I just braced myself from all in, all out, where there's only two different avenues cap. I don't like that because you know what happens right after the first loss of the Bears and if Caleb Williams doesn't have a good game. It's like, "We should have kept Justin. This guy sucks!" Like, "Oh, okay. Well, I'm not listening to that at all. I don't want that because I understand that this year and the next year and the next year that Caleb Williams has the opportunity, especially with this iteration of the Bears, led by Ryan Polls, I think that this guy could really be a cornerstone for this franchise. Not just for this year, but moving forward. I just know that looking at Caleb Williams and looking at what he has to work with, he has a great opportunity, man, and the Bears have a great opportunity to really pay dividends. This doesn't feel like, "Well, you know, this is just okay. We'll wait until next year." No. The year is now for the Bears to get to the playoffs. It is. You've tanked and here's the thing. This is what the general manager says. I'm just following his lead when Ryan Polls says, "Okay, you know what, we're setting this thing up to make a move to the playoffs." Then I believe him because look what he's done. Yeah. That just has to manifest itself in the field as we go to Decatur. Here's Pete on cap and jhood. Pete, good morning. Good morning. Hi, Pete. How are you? Well, well, Pete, thank you. Hey, I'm not on the hype train yet because of the last few years, there's been nothing but hype around this team and I can't take it anymore. My point is I have issues with their offensive line. I think it's the worst line in the division and my other point is Caleb, I think, will be great, but right now, starting out as of now, I would say he's the third best quarterback in the division, but I think he will improve. It's probably going to take four or five games and then we'll start seeing some magic and that's my thought. I would be happy with nine wins. Pete, is that golf at the top and the division for you from Detroit? Yes. And then be golf and then green base quarterback, unfortunately, because I hate them. So Jordan Love and then Caleb? Yes. Okay. I mean, as of now, I'm not saying maybe five games from now, he'll be the number one. That's what I'm hoping for. I hope I'm wrong, but like I said, the hype from the last two years has just taken it out of me. I can't get hyped up when I get anymore. I've been a bear fan since the '60s and I've seen decades of losing. So the young people haven't seen as much as I have. It sounds like now only people and also the dog has seen a lot of losing over the years going back to the '60s cap. Yeah. And it's fair enough. Yet people who are reserved in their judgment, my friend, who I was talking with, who will remain nameless is looking at it with a different eye, waddle in your go, look at it with a different eye. In fact, in talking with my buddy, it sounded like listening to York, who came out of the gay, the gates on the post game, not the Cincinnati game, but the Buffalo game and said, yeah, he did this wrong, he did that wrong, because Johnny looks at it in a different perspective, a different way. He looks at it like he was watching film with his head coach when he was playing. And I get that and it's a great perspective and we were blessed to have him and waddle be able to do that for us. I didn't play in the NFL. I love football, feel like I know football, but I did not get my head knocked in every week in the NFL. I didn't sit in film rooms as a player. So I look at it with my perspective, I'm all in. Mark and Naperville on the cap and Jhood Morning shows we talk about Caleb Williams and the Bears. Hey, Mark. Good morning. Good morning. Um, so I'm thinking that I'm so glad that everyone's talking about Caleb. I'm stoked for him to put he on probably more on your side in terms of being cautiously optimistic as we've had, we've seen it happen so many times, but I'll tell you, no one's talking about this defense and we are going to just kick ass. This is going to be a great season and, you know, Caleb's along on a great team, but it's a team. It's not just Caleb, but, uh, yeah, hope you stay healthy. Yeah. Bear down. Bear down, sir. We appreciate it. It's funny you brings up the defense cap because we've seen splash plays from the defense. Some of the guys that will be backups. Um, and so as we were talking to Courtney about this yesterday, Courtney Cronin, who covers the Bears for ESPN dot com, cap. I said that if this is going to be like Montes sweat and the no name defense and they're making plays, I'm fine with that. If you're not going to make a move to be able to, uh, have someone on the other side of Montes sweat that can rush the passer and you feel like you can move forward with Demarcus Walker and Andrew Billings and Dravon Dexter and then Austin Booker and his development and some of these other, if they get to the quarterback cap, that's fine because you have time between now and the deadline to be able to make moves or trades if you want to. I just want the Bears to be as strong as we saw toward the back end of the season last year. Now, even if this was not happy, by the way, about the defense and the way they played against Cincinnati, especially early on, he wasn't happy about like it was seven for thirteen, something like that on third down. Yeah, he did not like that they were getting gashed early in the ball game, especially by their third straight and quarterback. Yes. I'm happy about that and my hope is is that this defense doesn't give up those kind of chunk plays either. Like our last caller says he's excited about the defense. Okay. Well, I just know the secondary and the linebackers are solid. I look at especially Collard Gordon at last game we saw, but I want to see who else can get to the quarterback besides Montes sweat on a regular basis to put pressure on the QB. Yeah, that's the key. Got to be able to push the pocket from the interior. Got to have guys on the ends, whether that's sweat and Walker, sweat and Booker, Demarcus, Dominic Robinson. Yeah. There are guys there. I ride or die with polls. He has earned our trust the way he has rebuilt this thing so quickly. And so if he doesn't want to resign in Gotaway or he does, all in, let's go. All right. A little bit more insight on Caleb Williams and the Bears coming up with our guy Albert Breyer, if you're on hold, you will be on the years. We talked to you about the Bears on the home of the Bears, Captain Jay Hood. Tune in. Here's to Dave's headline headline with Captain Jay Hood. 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What do you mean I'm hit? We see that's the game. I just tag you and you're in until you tag somebody else. Albert Breyer. No, no, I'm not playing a game. I'm reading and I'm not hit. Okay. On Chicago's home for sports. What Bird is it? Talking Bears with you here on the Cap and Jay Hood Morning Show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. As we go to the hotline, that'd be the car X tire and on Ohio. Rattle, rattle, thunder, batter, boom, boom, boom, don't worry, call the car X. Albert Breyer from SI.com and Monday morning quarterback is with us on Cap and Jay Hood. He just wrote a great piece. Caleb Williams is already showing his high potential. Go to SI.com and check it out as he joins us here on Cap and Jay Hood. Good morning, Albert. How are you? I'm good. How are you guys doing? We are great. Awesome. Congratulations with Caleb Williams. That stood out to you. I mean, how ready he is to be a franchise quarterback. You know, I just, it feels like in every single way, he's so comfortable when where he is and how he got here. And, you know, I think, you know, like for a lot of you guys coming out of college, it can be overwhelming. Not the football part, but everything that comes along with being in that position, you know. So there's expectations. There's, you know, like there's scrutiny. There's all of it. You guys know that. You know, different guys deal with the different ways. This is a guy, it sort of reminds me a little bit of, you know, Trevor Lawrence, I would say, like where Trevor Lawrence had been under the spotlight and had been the number one guy for so long that like nothing really faced him, right, like coming in. And when he, and he really wound up needing it his first couple of years in a week, right? Like dealing with everything that happened in the urban Meyer year and then seeing the first coaching staff that he played for, getting fired, like, I don't, I don't know that very many quarterbacks would have survived, whichever, or survived and come out the other side, the same player the way that he did. You know, and I think a lot of that was because he was so comfortable in his own skin. He was so comfortable in the spotlight because he'd been under the spotlight for such a long time. And I think there's something similar about Kale, they're different people, but I think the same dynamic exists where it's just a guy who has, you know, kind of, you know, been preparing to be a franchise quarterback for a long, long time, you know, and now that he is, you know, a franchise quarterback for an NFL team, he's ready, you know, and you know, he's not overwhelmed by what's right in front of them. And, you know, I think that's even kind of, you know, like, that even, you know, like, you know, comes, comes, comes out and like how he answered the question I wanted to ask and what I went into my conversation with them, which was like, why is it that it seems like, like, there are all these narratives out, you know, about you and you don't have any problem, you know, you don't have any, you don't, you don't fight against them. And, you know, his, I don't know, his, his, his whole, the way he handled it, I think it was, you know, that he just, he's so comfortable in who he is. And it's a result, again, think of the path they supposed to get here. So you mentioned in talking with him and you referenced Trevor Lawrence. And I went back again yesterday, there's a book called quarterback dads that my friend Teddy Greenstein wrote. And I have the book. I go back and there is an entire chapter on this kid who's on a all star team and he doesn't get named the starter because the coach decides he's going to start his own son. And the dad says to the son, okay, tell me what you want out of your life. He said, I want to be the number one pick in the NFL draft. I want to be a franchise quarterback. He said, okay, from this very moment, if that's what you want, that's how you're going to live your life. You don't eat a lot of junk food, we work out before school and we are going to train from this moment on so that nothing will phase you. That kid was a young teenager named Caleb Williams. So much like Trevor Lawrence, nothing even in this insane town of Chicago should phase him a town, by the way, that since 2010 has had 20 different starting quarterbacks. Is that fair? Yeah. And I think it is. And you know, it's interesting because I did ask about the involvement of his dad, you know, and you know, I think I told you guys this story, but if not, I'll tell it again, where they went in and the Bears asked about his dad, right, when they met with Cliff Kingsbury. And this was the quote unquote offensive coordinator interview. I think Cliff was well aware of what a big part of the purpose of that interview was, it was for the Bears to get information on Caleb Williams from him. And Cliff told Cliff told the Bears, we only saw Caleb's dad once in the practice facility. And Cliff said, like he's like, I love, I love Caleb's dad, but Caleb's dad was not involved in football whatsoever. And Cliff says, you know, I mean, obviously being a college coach for as long as he was. And then, you know, the Cardinals, like he had seen, he had seen over Baron quarterback dads and he didn't view Carl that way. Like he viewed Carl as a guy who was really going to be involved in helping his son with the business part of it, but then was going to stay out of the way with the football part. And I think it's sort of similar to, in this way, and I know I'm giving you guys a lot of analogies here, the bosses, like I've, you know, I've gotten to know John Bosa pretty well and you know, obviously, you know, he did something right to have two sons, you know, drafted higher than he was and he was the first round pick, right? And you know, what John Bosa told me was he was like, I never coached my kid. And he said, I didn't want to coach my kids. He said, what I wanted to do was when I figured out that that was their dream, I wanted to give them the resources in every way possible to go and pursue that, because I had the means to do it. So I wanted to give them the best nutritionist. I wanted to give them the best trainer. I wanted them to go to the best high school. I wanted them to have the best of everything if they wanted to pursue it, so they have the best chance of achieving the dream. And, you know, in certain ways, I think that's sort of what Carl Williams just tried to do for Caleb, is getting him around the best people. And like, have they had some different outside the box ideas they have? That's definitely true. And he has some ideas when it comes to the business of football, but that happened with the bosses too. You know, I mean, Joey Bosa, in a time when no rookies were holding out a camp, when it came to the slot of contracts, Joey Bosa held out until the end of August in 2016 and still wound up winning the rookie of the year. You know? So I don't think like the things we're seeing with Caleb are necessarily unprecedented. I do think that there are a little misunderstood, and I do think there's precedent of people like Caleb. I brought up the Lawrence story, bringing up the bosses. There's a path there that I think he's walking that we've seen people success, successful people go down in the past. Albert Breyer from SI.com, a Monday morning quarterback with us on cap and Jhood on ESPN 1000. Check out SI.com for the Caleb Williams story about his rookie potential. You talk to Shane Waldron, the offensive coordinator as well, the Geno Smith Whisperer. What is it that Waldron did with Geno that could relate to Caleb? He built an offense for him, and obviously they were doing things a little differently when Russell was there, and Shane was there for, I think it was a year, I don't know what this stuff began, but I think it was a year with Russell as a starter. And then they had to kind of have Geno ready to go that first year, and then after that, it was like, okay, how do we build an offense that works for, that works the way that the works for Geno Smith and based on his background and where he's coming from. And so I think that's what good offensive coaches do is they fit their scheme to the talent. And I know that there's a lot of that that he's done for Caleb already. So you know where Geno had played and had success playing in a spread in college, and then you look at some of the systems that he played in as a pro, and some of the things that he did well out of the gun, and where he's able to kind of see the field in front of them, he was able to kind of leverage Geno's best strengths, and get a level of performance that you hadn't seen yet in the NFL, and I think those sorts of principles definitely apply with Caleb. And I think that's one of the reasons why it's so important that they got out in front of his development and installing with him in March and April, and you're having a baseline when it came to the cadence and formations and motions and all that different stuff when he showed up, it allowed them to build off of that foundation. And so if you had the foundation in place where he knows the terminology and he knows what you're doing, and he's learning how to call a player in the huddle, well then you can start to shape the offense to who he is as a player. And you know, so I think like the way that the barriers have creatively been able to use the time over this calendar year, ramping Caleb up even before he was getting before he was drafted, getting him ready to go, and then like allowing and then taking the time that that saved and using it to make an offense that worked, to create an offense that works for Caleb specifically, and do some of the things that Shane did for Gino in Seattle, I think sets him up to have a really nice rookie year. We're talking to Albert Breer from SI.com, great stuff on Caleb Williams. I want to talk to you about Matthew Judon, and we'll do that right after this quick time out, it's Cap and Jay Hood on ESPN 1000. Albert Breer from SI.com and Money Morning Quarterback is with us on Cap and Jay Hood and Cap you had a question for Albert. So Albert, you're reporting what you were all over this Matthew Judon story, it came down, it looks like to the Bears and the Falcons in the Bears. And he'll give you the third round pick. And then the report that you filed said, Judon had his choice and he picked Atlanta. Why? Yeah, I don't know exactly why he is from the South, so that could be a factor. I don't know if the Patriots necessarily know why he picked the Falcons. You know, I just think given those two choices, you know, I do know he's been focused on trying to get another contract and, you know, I don't know if there was some assurance from the Falcons or maybe he felt like given where he is right now. And the fact that Montez Swett is in Chicago, he'd be a, he'd have a better shot to be the guy and set up another payday if you were in Atlanta. Atlanta obviously has a bigger need of the position. I know the Bears do have to use the position, but the Falcons really don't have edge hushers right now. So it could have been one of a variety of things. All I know definitively is that he was given the choice and given the choice. He took the opportunity to go with the Falcons. Albert, we heard the soundbite from Tua Tungal by Aloa, the quarterback for Miami on the Dan Libertard show at Stu Gats. And he really called out Brian Flores for Flores's time with Miami. I'm wondering from your standpoint, what does that do for Brian Flores as far as him getting another head coaching job when Tua, you know, with a brand new bag contract wise says is so candid about his time with Flores. Well, I think it makes whatever Flores says about this publicly kind of critical, you know, like in how he handles it because there's going to be a lot of highs on him. And I think I think what was a really good coach, you know, and I think he proved it last year again in Minnesota, I do think like he's learned and grown from, you know, from his experiences there in Miami, he made mistakes. There's no question about it. You know, I would say things were very sideways there. And there are a lot of things that can be said. And obviously, Tua said some of them and Tua has every right to say that because he's played a lot better under, under magnetic field. And he did under Brian Flores. I think it's probably best for Brian Flores to fall on the sword here and say, I made a lot of mistakes I've learned from the mistakes. This is an opportunity for him to show and put on display that, you know, he's learning grown from his time in Miami. And so, you know, I think he's speaking, I think he's scheduled to speak today. Isn't that right guys? I believe so. I believe he is. Yes. I think that's right. Right. Like, so I think it's just one of those things where these press conferences usually don't mean much, right? You know, we all we all have attended a million of them and there's a million of them every day in the NFL, very few of them matter. This one matters. You know, because this is Brian and Flores, again, being questioned for what happened in Miami. And this is his first opportunity to be like the Ford, one of the Ford facing characters in the story. And you know, when you own an NFL team, like that's a big part of what you're doing with your head coach, that guy becomes the face of your team. And so, you know, this is an opportunity as I see it anyway, for Brian Flores to kind of manage his own professional crisis right in front of the public and show that he'd be able to do that for somebody else that's given the chance of giving a second chance to be a head coach in the NFL. The Green Bay Packers got pounded the other day, Albert, and I know Jordan Love didn't play, but Matt Lefoor came out and said, guys, I'm more than a little concerned because we were terrible the day or two before in joint practices. I would have thought after we got humbled like that with our first team offensive defense, we would come out and play with more edge and we did not. He said, we are not where we need to be. Is there real concern in Green Bay? I don't think so. I mean, I don't know. I feel like when I was there a few weeks ago, there was real optimism on where they are. And I think sometimes coaches can use these situations as devices to try and get the team going and try to heighten a sense of urgency during camp. I think everybody knows what it's like in the second and third and fourth week of camp. Sessions veteran players might not be playing in the games. It's kind of like, let's get to the season here already. I think it's a way to give this team a little bit of a spark. It doesn't count a group, guys, like Jordan, by all accounts, has had a really nice training camp. He's got a young group of receivers he's coming up with. I think the defense is going to be better under Jeff Haffley. They've got a lot going for them there. And my interpretation of this from Matt LaFluor is this is sort of a warning shot to the team. Like in saying, like, hey, I know we're in a good spot, but it's not automatic. You know, we can't just push a button and win 11, 12 games. It's a good to know that you're going to be wearing your fireproof boots as you cover a Giants camp. Daniel Jones is terrible, okay. What's going on with the Giants are terrible, okay. So you'll have your one on one with Mike Franciso, which is going to be great. We look forward to reading that, Albert. So that's going to be great. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know it's funny about like, yeah, what's funny about this is like, I feel like all that's all these like, and you guys know what I'm talking about, all the social media accounts that like make like sweeping judgments off of like single training camp plays. Yeah. I feel like that's like happened more with Giants camp than any other camp in the league. So I'm going to be interested to dig into the truth. Like it's like, I like, you know, Malik neighbors make a nice catch down field. The Giants have their wide receiver one, the ones in the end of the wide receiver one, by the way. Right. Well, the Giants have their wide receiver one and like, you know, then Daniel Jones throws a pick, sees it over and he's rather first just, yeah, but I know all they're trying to do is get us bad. Right. They succeeded. Hey, Albert, as we let you go, one word answer fields or Wilson, who starts day one. Oh, Wilson, but I'd say by week five, it's fields. I think it's not, this is a big week there guys, which is a big week, like this is the first time in, in, in, in a while that Wilson's been able to go, Wilson's going to be able to go out there and practice without restriction and he's been highly inconsistent to this point in camp fields is practice better. If Russell can't turn a corner, I think a real discussion has had, and I think, and I don't think the doors closed at all on fields being the week one starter as always. Albert, we appreciate it. Thanks so much for coming on the show. Okay. Thanks guys. Have a good day. So good at that, such four bastards going to cover Giants camp. Malik Davis is the best Daniel Jones is the worst guy. You think we got it bad here? We got it. We got a great here. It's Rosie. Rosie. Shout out to no shot in two minutes on cap in J-hood.