I never I don't have a letterbox. I guess I should probably start using letterbox. All me. All right. Well, that's a Dylan glowing review of you. If he's like, that's a four stars from. I give it a I gave it a I didn't hate it. Yes, this is a original and indigenous. The music of guitar saxophone, trumpet, bass, and drums. What's up, posers? Look on the punk lot of pod. I'm your host, Justin Hindley. I'm your other co host, Dylan Hindsley, and welcome back to our continuation of SCOGGEST the month where we devote multiple weeks to sky and its many subgenres. Last week, we did an episode on two-tone sky. So this week's episode, we are focused on third wave and then next week, we'll wrap things up with traditional sky, pre two-tone sky. Not necessarily punk inspired, but the stuff that inspired the two-tone generation. So really looking forward to doing that one. Head on over to patreon.com/punkclaudopod and for one dollar, you get access to all of our weekly bonus audio. Last week, we did a masterpunk theater on the film, Gross Point Blank. And Dylan, how would you describe that episode that we recorded? Meandering, discursive. We had a really hard time staying on topic for that episode, so check it out and find out why. Yeah, if you like, just aimless chatter, that's an episode for you. Our patreons are usually pretty untasked, though. So if you don't like that, you'll enjoy much more of our content there. It's not, you know, it's, it's, it's not additive. And it's definitely a little more freeform, a little more freeform than our show. But I mean, even I feel like the main show, we get off topic pretty often. So yeah, the podcast, hope the podcast hosting site that we use for the show started doing this thing connected with another app called like headliner and headliner. You can like make video clips of your podcast to use for like social media. But they have, I always wanted to do those because I was like, I'd be good to like clip out some stuff and use them for social media. But I'm so bad at like being like, what do I include? You know, I got to find the timestamps and like get exactly what to say and what I want to share. But they also have an AI feature that will just like pick like like five, 15, 30, 60 and 10 minute clips. And so I've used it to like, let's see what this does. The first one was pretty good. And then I did another one where I was like, this isn't even about the album. Why did you choose this portion of the album? I don't know how it decides what to cut. I think it's just analyzing waveforms and then being like, these look like a good chunk to chop out. But some of them is just in like weird, like, I would not want to use that as my social media post. And then like, I didn't share one. And it was like, looks like you're not using it. So we deactivated it. It's like one week I didn't use it and you deactivated it. That is weird. Well, if you don't want it, I'll just take it back. Apparently, though, AI is can be pretty useful to help edit. I don't know how. I don't know what software is to use. I heard one of the podcasts hosts that I listened to said he's been using it to like edit his shows. And it makes it a lot easier. And then you can he can read a transcript. Maybe that's how it works. Maybe it gives him a transcript and then he highlights what to cut out. Maybe I mean, that would be the probably one of the easier ways to do it. Because you can read faster than you listen to something. Yeah. Because you could skim it and be like, Oh, I know that section, not that. Not that let's cut that. It's like you're going to remember what you said. Yeah, if you see a couple of words from, you know, yeah, I could see I could see that being a useful use for AI. Yeah, I mean, I don't think all I'm not in the tool. All AI is bad, you know, type person, but AI being used for creative endeavors. That is where I'm like, not good. But like, if it's just like I use GPT to write a resume entry because I'm applying for a position at work. And so it's just like write me a resume entry for a super professional position in this field. And it's pretty, it's pretty accurate. Like as far as like what my day to day duties are and stuff like that. So yeah, that's useful enough. And then you just change it enough to actually match what your job, your, your specific job is. But Katie was telling me about something that she did at a professional development or they were showing. Them like, and basically like an AI tool that you could use to basically like write articles, essentially. And it was like, can't like, she was like, this would be somewhat useful for me in that I could write an article for third grade reading level on a subject that the kids need to be like, they need to be able to understand what they're reading. And if there's not an article that's written for them, like. But she was like, but like, they can't cite it though. So it's like, right, like it's a, it's somewhat useful for maybe for like some instruction purposes, but it like, if you're like, I mean, what she does in the library, like, if you can't cite that source, like, this is not a real source. It's like, it's a really, it's like, that's useful, but maybe I can't actually use it. Yeah, it's like, yeah, really frustrating because it's like this would actually be something that would be a pretty good use for AI to like, just make teachers jobs easier, but yeah, the application is always not always useful. Anyway, join us next week when AI Dylan and Justie bot Dylan, Nick over hosting of the show. Look, we're nearing 300 episodes now, and we definitely have enough audio content of our voices out there that an AI could totally make up an entire episode. I would be curious to try it one time, just to hear what it came, what it came up with, what it thought we would say, and I wonder how close it would be. Yeah, I wonder because you'd have to have it talk about the actual, like an actual album. Yeah, I wonder if it would work or if it would just be like word salad without completely unrelated things. Yeah, yeah, I have thought about that as like, yep, there are so many hours of my voice recorded on the Internet. That's, yeah, someone could deep fake me saying horrible things, I guess, I don't want it to. Good thing we're not famous or a lot of interest to anyone outside of our regular audience. That's weird, yeah. Oh, yeah, there's a, there's a, the possibility for a completely computer simulated version of me. I have said almost every word I'm likely to ever say. Yeah, patreon.com/punkglotopod. You could also sign up our $10 tier where you, you get to choose the album that we devote an entire episode to. We just had one of those sign up this week and I love the idea of these because most people who sign up for it. We'll pick an album that we probably would never have chosen to talk about. So I love this getting, you know, forcing us to go outside of our box and our typical type of stuff that we tend to cover. That was a lot of alliteration there. Wow, my TTT is there. But yeah, also be on the lookout for a new episode of challengeography, the Joan Jet series continues. I'm almost ready to record that, so that'll probably be, honestly, that'll probably be up within this week. So be on the lookout for that. And then I'll probably do a medical chronicles after that. So yeah, I like the idea of just like bouncing back and forth between the challengeography and the medical chronicles. So that'll be fun to get out there. I love doing the solo stuff. All right, so for third wave sky, you were given the choice of the album for us to discuss. And was there anything that you were considering outside of the album? I feel like you landed on it pretty quickly. I did. We looked at the overall charts for SCA. I don't remember if I filtered it at all, or if I just skimmed past the stuff that wasn't third wave. I don't think I filtered it at all. I think I just, I think you did like 80s to today. Yeah, I maybe did 80 because because there's a little bit of like late 80s post-utone stuff that is, I think properly categorized as third wave sky. It wouldn't really make sense to do it any other time. But like we've done Fishbone before, you know. So I didn't really consider much. I can probably just pull that chart really quick and just see if there's anything that jumps out that I considered. But it was like, you know, I didn't. Yeah, like, I think I'm, you know, throughout non-serious, you know, suggestions like catch 22 or, you know, less than Jake, I'm just like, I don't really want to do those. I guess at some point we do kind of have to consider those. I would want to guest for those. Like, there's an artist where you and I are like, ugh, I don't want to talk about, I don't like them. I don't want to talk about them. That's one where I'm like, we should have a guest on for that. I don't really want to do real big fish. I'm glad that we've talked about the mighty, mighty boss tones before, because it gets us off that awkward hook. Even though we did like a weird record that's like not anybody's favorite. Yeah, I think they're one of those bands that like the legacy is important enough that I feel like you can discuss the boss tones, especially since there's like nine people in that band and only one of them is the anti-vex RFK QAnon guy. So it's just that it's the lead singer. It is. Yeah. I wonder if Dicky Barrett lives in my neighborhood. I think CM Punk lives in Los Feliz. Because I've mentioned this before that maybe I post about it in the discord. But what's I can't remember them. You remember the Defiant? Yes, appeal the Defiant sticker off of my neighborhood was walking around and like I'm sure this is whoever has the fucking RFK for president sticker on their car. It like lives on my walk. Well, I had this bear carcass that I discovered and I buried it under some bicycles in that. That guy, I hope he has no supporters anymore because he is just like revealing like weirder and weirder shit not to get like topical and present day. But yeah, I mean, there's no there's no real chance that of him winning. But wow, no wild one, they do say that he and he now might actually be hurting Trump vote Trump's votes because it's like since Harris came in, I'm going to cut all this. I don't want to talk about our okay. I don't want to get politics on our timeless podcast. We don't have the yes, this is a good stopping point. But the Defiant on the on an upcoming no effects show snuck them back on there. Are they on a riot fest too? I can't remember. I know like the Aquabats took them on tour, which that sucks. The Defiant are playing riot fest as of. Yeah, I think they're still on there. Yeah, just terrible more than likely it's somebody from it's the guy from the Briggs that's in the Defiant lives in your neighborhood, not not dicky himself. Oh, we got the guy from we'll see other band street dogs lives here. But I I didn't scroll very far. Yeah, I feel like you you chose pretty quickly, which is funny because you chose a record that totally would have been a me pick. It's very similar to the gaslight anthem episode where I chose that record and not you just for reference so that everyone knows what we've covered in the past. The previous third wave Scott albums that we've covered before are truth and soul by fishbone. We did that one outside of August. I think we did that in April last year. So that's funny that we did that. That's enough of a not strictly scar record. Yeah, true, definitely enough. That record too is like lots of funk in it. Yeah, fishbone in general does. We also previously discussed the Bruce Lee band self titled album. We did the Aquabats return of the Aquabats gold fingers hang up. So we did that one with Zia Hilti. We should get Zia back on the show because I love talking with Zia on the podcast. We should never do an emo record instead of a sky record though because we always have a run for Scott and she also loves emo. So we have done dance all crashers. Honey, I'm homely the mighty body boss tones pay attention. That's the one we did. We also did that with Zia Hilti. Yeah, I thought so. Yeah, we did common writer. This is unity music. We did that with the checkered cast hosts, which unfortunately that podcast does not seem to exist anymore, but it was fun. Well, it lasted and that maybe it regards to third wave because then we did a couple like new tone records as well later. So yeah, I think that's all the third way we've covered. So and we did the Scott bracket. That's true. We did that with brandy posy. Very fun episode. So yeah, third wave sky, probably the most tied to punk music because a lot of people describe it, including friend of the show, Dave Brown, host of the podcast, one band, five songs. He just says third wave sky is just punk with horns and a lot of it is. Yeah, a lot of it is, but there definitely are some bands that utilize actual like Scott upstrokes and rhythms and bass. Bass work and stuff like that. So not all of them, but I'd say a good chunk of the 90s ones. I'd agree. Yeah. So this week's episode, the album is from the year 1997. So I figured we would take a look at the other Scott records of 97, at least according to rate your music. Dot com. And the first one is not a Scott record. No effects so long and thanks for all the shoes. This is one of the no effects records where they pretended to be Scott in a couple of songs. Yeah. I don't know what songs. I don't want to find out. I don't, I will never listen to no effects on my own time. Only if you're forced to have heard enough to know that it's just not for me. Yeah, let's face it by the mighty, mighty bus tones released in 1997. Very important record, probably responsible for bringing Scott to the mainstream, which also brought us swing revival. So thanks, boss tones. Yeah, but it kind of didn't. All right. We've gone, we've we've gone through the, the, the swing revival, Scott thing. I think that swing revival was actually going to happen no matter what. Yeah. Cause right. Isn't that swing band? It's the, it's the one that's like the youth brigade guys. Royal Royal Crown review. Yeah. I think they're the ones that's in the mask came out 94. Yeah. So it was, it was already happening. But it was happening more in like movies, I guess, but. And there was stuff like stuff like scroll nut zippers. Yeah, I don't know. It was happening one way or another. It just kind of coincided with the sky thing and definitely like overlapped a lot with a lot of those bands kind of playing together. And I mean, also kind of along those similar lines of like generally retro and Scott, Jason. There's a smash mouth record. Yeah. Yeah. That's a weird one, cause it's like the first genre tag on this website is Scott punk for, for fushu man. And I do not remember that record being that sky that it would be like the first genre you would tag it as. It's definitely like kitschy, very bowling shirt, core, tiki torch core. Yeah. Very like 50 60s coated band. Yeah. Surf, rockabilly, just generally confused about the 50s and 60s. Yeah. It's just all old stuff back when you could find, you know, great vintage clothes and thrift stores. You too could look like you're on the cast of ghost world. Yeah. Yeah. We have evil doers beware by mustard plug, which features the massive smash hit. Thanks, Cloudflare. You, I think it is one of the big ones there and beer song. This is the only master mustard blog album that I listen to with any sort of regularity. I feel like I heard pray for mojo and probably big daddy multitude. I just, something about that band just does not work. There's like one song on each album that I like, I kind of like, and then that's kind of it. I don't know. I don't go deep with them at all though. Yeah. Mustard plug has just persevered. Yeah, still active, you know, put out a record last year, you know, 97 is very much the, it's like the tipping point, right? Like it's like, oh, yeah, we're, we're all in on sky right now. And everyone you can think of for the most part has a record that year. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we, we have an Aquabats record. We have, you know, gold finger. We have save Ferris. Dancehall crashers, we got a slackers record. Uh, there's a Scottalites record. Yeah. Yeah. Mad caddies, the toasters, hep cat related to the album that we're talking about. The OC Supertones. Mm hmm. Link 80, Bucko nine prescription or pharmaceutical bandits are expanded. It's when they were, I guess, more scott, but yeah. Guy keeps going. Voodoo Glowsicles, the pie tasters. Ah, yes. My favorite scott punk fan shelter. Yeah. They must have like a Scott song on that record, which has to be weird as shit. I should listen to that record just to see what it is. We got a blue meanies. Yeah. There's a real big fish EP. I think less than Jake might be the only missing one as far as like the big ones. And we got a new 330. We got the Planet Smashers. There's even a sublime seven EP. Mepascophiles, bad manners, big D and the kids table. Yeah. Really almost everybody, more Christian Scott, the insiders. Yeah. Also squad five. Oh, before they turned into a glam rock band, they were like a hornless scott band. Is there a dingy's record? That would be the other like Christian one that's kind of missing. I think it might be. And did they have an album in 96? No, their first album is a come out to 98. They formed a 96. Yeah. Okay. Dinges were a spin off of the Supertones. So that kind of makes sense. And then honestly, I'm going to go to the last page and see if I know anything on here. We got been scallop in Scarface. Yep, I know them. Yeah, that's the only one on the last page that I knew. But page four also has some, some stuff that I do know. Animal chin, maybe I don't know as many on this page as I thought I did. I don't really, I don't really recognize any of these. Yeah. So a very active, very active here. It's probably peak. Yeah. Very 798 would be the peak. Yeah, I think like what 2000 would be when it's like, that's when it starts to drop off. And then it pretty much just stays legacy acts from that point until you start to get the fourth wave or at least like the precursor to the fourth wave stuff taking off. And Jeff Rosenstock stock stuff too. I guess catch 22 kind of kept scar alive in like the early 2000s and then street lay manifesto and then Rosenstock and then that leads us to new tone. But yeah, very 90s coded sound. Just like two tone was very much 78, 79, 80 to 80, what 84, maybe max. Yeah. If you pull up a commercial block from 98, 99, oh, yeah, there is a very high chance that you'll hear some Scott in a commercial, in a commercial, especially if you're doing like kids programming at the time. Oh, yeah, I'm sure there's like a gushers commercial with it's like just full sky music, some, some Dunkaroos, you know, just like this, this weekend on Fox kids, you know, but yeah, this would be also the period where we entered into the picture and we decided, well, I at least I don't know how much Scott was in your rotation that wasn't like CDs that I owned. Did you have any that were yours? No, I think I had them all. Yeah, you were the, you were the SCA collector in our home. Well, our dad had, yeah, faced it by my name, my name, I was Jones. But yeah, CD, he never listened to the, he didn't have, it just gave to us. Here you can have this. I never heard him listen to that. Yeah. He bought it for the one song and then probably didn't like the rest. That record is really swinging. Like, you know, it's just a Scott record, but there's a lot of like very swing sounding stuff on that album. Yeah, which is why I was blaming them, but yeah, probably the most. It's probably like out of the boss tones. Discovery might be like the least punk album in their discography. That Scott core sound was not that strong on that record because it was their major, it was a major label record. So I bet the majors were like, we don't want you like good or really screaming as much on this album. Can you tone it down a little bit? Well, we got this song called Royal loyal, like, OK, OK, you're talking now. Royal oil. But yeah, I mean, this is the perfect music for, let's see. How old have been in 1997, 11 years old, 12 years old? No, it's like 10 or 11. Yeah, yeah, so it's great music for kids. Well, you didn't you wouldn't have heard this, you know, seven. This album, no, I would not, which we could enter, I guess. 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They formed in 1995, and this album was released November 11, 1997, on five minute walk records under their imprint, Sarah Bellum Records. Don't know why five minute needed an imprint. [LAUGHTER] They released like three albums that year too. It's just like one of them was a comp. [LAUGHTER] Tax reasons? I don't know. Maybe marketing. Why would it matter? It's going to be the same. They're going to be the same. Sarah Bellum put out seven records in '97. Sarah Bellum did? It's weird because I went to the five minute walk page. Maybe they are listed separately on. Well, this is the Sarah Bellum Records page on rate your music. Oh, OK. I went to discogs. It has the electrics, a comp, drive with a Y, dime store profits. Rose Blossom Punch, those are names I know, and model engine. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. OK. So on discogs, they have the five minute walk records and the Sarah Bellum Records listed somewhat separately. Yeah. Rose Blossom Punch was Aaron Sprinkle's band for poor old Lou, I think. Yeah. A dime store profits is Masakilo, who we'll get into. So the person on this record is Keith Horring on bass, Andrew Verdequio on drums, Micah Ortega on guitar, Scott Kerr on guitar, Reese Roper on vocals, Leonore Ortega, AKA Jeff the girl, on sax, Dennis Kulp on trombone, and Nathaniel Dunham, AKA Brad on trumpet. They all had like nicknames. I think Andy's was like Chaka, and I don't remember, I think Keith and I think Scott and Micah didn't have nicknames and Reese didn't have minute. But yeah, yeah, most produced by Masakilo and sake played in the band's rivulets and violets and dime store profits and briefly in the band life savers, but much, much later in time. So he produced all of Five Iron's original run of records before their breakup. And then he also produced albums by Seven Day Jesus, The W's, The Smiley Kids. And he engineered the very first Black Rebel Motorcycle Club album, absurd. So Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Christian Rockman, I have no idea how that happened. He had his own like studio and he was like using digital recording very early too. So I don't know. I think it's just like he was, they were in the area maybe where his studio is. I don't know. I don't know what that was about. And then the album cover is done by Doug Tanapel, creator of Earthworm Jim and Comics Gator. So yep. So Five Iron Frenzy were my band, very much my band. My favorite band as a teen, probably early twenties, I would still say maybe not, not too deep into my twenties, maybe like 2021, I would still say that, but not much longer after that. But yeah. So the first thing first, what made you choose this album for us to talk about? Why did I steal your band? Yeah. Well, it was the first thing on the list that I saw that I was like, yeah, I can talk about that. I want to talk about that. Like I said, I just had a lot of the Third Wave, Scott bands. Maybe if I'd hit like a, well, we've done, haven't I picked an Emmy 330 record before? We've never done an Emmy 330 record. You selected it for the whole last year. Yeah. Yeah. So if I'd seen like an Emmy 330 record that might have been my choice, but I didn't get, I don't, I don't think the Emmy 330 consistently shows up very high on any of the charts on rate your music. They're not a rate your music band, for some reason, but they to me feel like a much more well-known Scott band, but I don't know, maybe not. I don't know, like, what is it? They don't get the same kind of like level of recognition that a less than Jake or a real big fishery by like that does, but I feel like they don't even get the same recognition that like big D or catch 22 or any of those bands get either. I don't. Yeah. I think they're more in like a third tier or maybe even lower in terms of popularity. I don't know why they just, they don't, I guess like a lot of the mic park bands, those tend to be like, I guess your second tier, like people, they're well regarded bands and albums, but they're not like the most talked about, except for maybe skank and pickle. But that might be because when they were around, it was just like them, the boss tones of fishbone and that's it. So I don't know. And so that means like all the other Asian man, Scott bands probably weren't that as popular. I don't know. It's weird. Anyway, so yeah, I figured it'd be easy. I figured it'd be an easy one for us to talk about definitely wouldn't be something like with some of the other bigger name bands that I'm not particularly fond of that where it would make more sense to have a guest talk about them with us. So, you know, at this rate, who knows if that's going to actually happen. We might just have to suck it up and do a real big fish record by ourselves. But I just thought like, okay, this is like it's a record I know, it's a record similar to like the English B record that we did last week, like it's a record I don't really have to listen to to talk about. Like I really know it so well that I could just talk about it without refreshing. Did you? I did. Sometimes when you say that, I'm like, did you not listen? Is this your like, I picked when I don't have to listen to, so I don't have to listen to it. No, I'm not saying that as an admission of not not prepping. That being said, you know, I normally listen to an album three times before we talk about it. I only listen to this one once. One because it's burned into my brain. Like I've heard this album hundreds of times at this point. You know, when I had it as a teenager, I would have been listening to it like weekly, if not daily for depending on a stretch, you know. And then I just listened to the in right before going to see them live too. So like it was already fresh in my mind on top of seeing them live. So yeah. So yeah, I mean, you know, they were your favorite band, but they were certainly one of my favorites, right, you know, very highly ranked band for me. Very formative, you know, it's definitely a band that's easy to talk about. And it felt due, so it's just like, you know, it's my turn to pick, but like you could have just as easily picked this one. You know, if it had been your turn to pick, there's a high chance you would have selected it anyway. So it was just like, you know, it's time that we do a five iron frenzy record and this is probably the one because we've talked about five iron frenzy and mentioned them and we've talked to a member of five iron frenzy on the show. And it was just like, this is a really important band that we should talk about their record and devote entire episode to it. Just because, you know, tight time, like that was, that was the, it was just an easy choice, frankly. Yeah. So I guess we'll do my back story since they were more my band. I guess I'm the entry point for both of us to listen to them. But interestingly enough, it was your CD that we heard their first song from, but five iron frenzy was a band that I knew the name of because I read the liner notes of CDs when I was like, you know, I guess preteen at this age. But you know, I would have gotten to them a little bit later. So I would have been two years ago by the time I actually listened to them myself. So you were 11 and 97. Yeah. I don't know that I was necessarily buying a lot of music at 11 yet close, close to it. But yeah, because I think we got our CD player in like 96. Yeah. So we wouldn't have bought a lot of stuff for ourselves at that age. But I came to Scott, well, our dad playing the Boston's in the house and then like songs like sell out by real fish being on the radio and some no doubt songs being on the radio that still had some sky elements. So like that would be my first real introduction to Scott. And then I got a compilation that had the band, the W's on it, who are a Christian swing revival band, they have some Scott songs. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't hate doing one of their records one day in the future. Just just to hear it again. But that was the band that was like kind of my gateway to five iron because on the second record, they put out trouble with X. They did. They brought in Dennis Kulp, a five iron to do all the horn arrangement for that record, which I found very fascinating thinking about later. And I remember being in college and like, I had my CDs and a friend in school. He's a musician, Jonathan Ammons, he was like looking through my CDs and was like, the W's, huh? And I was like, yeah, I was embarrassed, you know, just to be like, yeah, they're not very good. He's like, that band couldn't play their own instruments. I was like, yeah, they couldn't. They had to bring someone else in to do all the horn arrangements for the next record. It's like, just not good enough at their horns to put the thing together. That could have been sake to being like, Dennis, can you come in here and help, help these guys out? They are struggling, but so that was my like introduction to five iron and as a concept, I guess, liner notes and seeing their name and their been thanked. And they were a band that like I saw their CD in the Christian bookstores. And I was always like, I wonder about that band. And you got a five minute walk compilation called what take time to listen volume five, I believe. And it was like all the take time or all the five minute walk bands. And they had a five iron frenzy song on there, Solidarity, which was off of their third full length, all the hype that money can buy. And that song was like a salsa, like what was that Solidarity song? What is that? It's like a Latin. Yeah. It's like a Latin rock. Yeah. It's not Scott. Songs got off. But I was like, all right, I needed to hear one song. Like I wasn't going to buy them blind, even though I did do that eventually in the future with other bands. I guess money was just scarce enough at that age that I was like, I need to hear a song before I buy it. And when that song came on, I was like, this is what five iron sounds like? Because it's not a Scott song. But then I was like, hey, good enough for me. So I bought all the hype that money can buy. Loved it. Loved that record. I remember, I feel like that song may be tipped to scales, but I feel like we heard some of that record on tape in the, there was a Christian bookstore that wasn't, it was, I don't remember if you remember it. It was maybe it was in Cornelius. Oh, yeah. I remember that story. Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't like the main one that we went to, which was in like a university area. That was a life way Christian bookstore and the universe. No, actually it was called Baptist bookstore when we started going there and then it became a life like Christian bookstore. Yeah. But there was that other Christian bookstore in Cornelius that we would go to from time or time. Just a little independent Christian bookstore. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember, yeah. I remember them having just like open tapes. Yeah. Because one of the things at a lot of the Christian bookstores at the time was just like, you could sample the CDs. Well, because part of it was a lot of those stores carried like a cappella, like cassettes and CDs of songs for people to buy and take to church and sing in church. And so they were always letting people listen to those because you want to know like if you can do it, I guess, like before you buy it because the only thing on it is that song that you're doing a cappella. So like you want to make sure it's the right thing, you know, and I think that just carried over to the regular stock, like the actual like albums and stuff. So you could, you could sample it plus a lot of people just didn't know the names of a lot of the artists or like, you know, didn't know the music from a lot of the artists that they carried. So that I think it was also another way to just be like, try it out. See if you like it to get people to actually buy it. I'm sure it helped them sell CDs like I'm sure it helped like you would walk in and you, I mean, it definitely helped us by decide what to buy. Yeah. You know, you could go listen to the stuff and be like, Oh, I like this. This is what I want to buy. I just remember being in that bookstore in Cornelius and I want to say you're playing the tape of all the hype and you played me the, you probably shouldn't move here. Right. Because it has here's Val from the double use. Yeah. And it features like a couple other members of W's doing horns on that song. Yeah. Well, maybe you just played that while I was in the store, we were just in the store and you were bored and you just were like, Hey, listen to this, but I don't remember here. I remember hearing it there first. That could be it. Cause I was definitely into the W's and I probably bought both W's CDs or maybe the first WCD there and I would, I would have known that they were on that album. And yeah. So that probably would have been like another reason why I wanted to listen to it. So yeah, I may have just pulled that song up to listen to it and then like didn't or maybe waited to buy that, maybe I just waited to buy the CD because I wasn't going to buy a tape. I don't know. Yeah. Not that point. So yeah, that would have been the introduction. And then it was like all in from there, you know, like I got a portable CD player around that age. I was getting, I had that one up beats and beat downs, our first record. Then I got proof that the youth are revolting their live album. And then I got our newest album ever because I remember I already knew a bunch of the songs from the live album before I got the actual studio album and then got the rest from there, you know, got quantity as job one and then had to wait for Vivaren 2 surprise. We walked in that same Christian bookstore, that little one in Cornelius, they had moved to like over by like these new shops and they had moved over there. And I remember going in there and seeing Vivaren 2, Electric Booloo, and I was like, what is this? Like I had, I didn't even know they had an album coming out and it was like a black and white cover. And like I was in the album and it was like darker and heavier and like serious and like there's a song about a band breaking up on the album. And I was like, are they breaking up? And then they would break up later, but yeah, they were getting tired. They were getting tired. They were hinting at everyone. Apparently they used to do this thing like at the end of every year where they would get together with their spiritual advisor who was like a pastor of some sort. I think he was a pastor at their church that they helped start the scum of the earth church and they would get together at the end of every year and be like, all right, do we do another year? And every year before they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll keep going. But it was after that record. It was like the next time they got together, they were like, no, we don't want to, some of them didn't want to go anymore because they got married and were tired of touring. But yeah, so just got into them very hard, listed all their albums repeatedly over and over again. And this was my favorite record by them. I think it's the critical record. I think it's still the most critically acclaimed album. Their most, I think it's their most popular. No, all the hype was like their best selling record. It's one of those weird, it was like the timing. Like anytime a band's album came out in like 99, 2001, those always wound up being like bands like best selling albums because it was just like saturation, I guess distribution was really good for everything, you know? It come pick me up was like the best selling super junk record to date when that one came out. And it's like, nobody's favorite. It's just funny that all the hype is the best selling fiber and album. But yeah, just was way into them was very sad when they broke up. And then didn't see them live until they reunited. We saw them in Atlanta together. So yeah, that's our, that's our personal history with the band. [MUSIC] Bacon bits and holla, pain gills, all my Polish hot dog. Half a pound of potato chips and a beef jerky log. Got my face in the window, wrap a stick to my shirt. Eat people in a stinky pan, knock up a more cut and hurt. Eat some fruit off the floor. Half a bell of the taste for bread molds, right around in a fan, don't take a shower. For six weeks and long, we've been giving superpowers, ask us for the naughty car. We sing, we dance, we'll make. [MUSIC] I got a little bit of the backstory leading up to them. So prior to the band Five Iron Frenzy, there was a group called Exhumator, who were an industrial thrash metal band from Denver. And they featured, Reese Roper, Mike Ortega, Scott Kerr, Keith Herring and Andy Radicchio. But at the time, Scott and Punk were becoming really popular, and the band was beginning to get interested in other bands like Skank and Pickle and No FX. And so they created a Scott band on the side called Five Iron Frenzy. Their first show was opening up for themselves as Exhumator. So they played a double set, it was at a coffee shop. And they immediately realized that people liked the Five Iron Frenzy music way more than they liked the Exhumator stuff. People were just like, people like this Scott Punk a lot more than industrial thrash, obviously. And they decided that night, all right, Exhumator's done, we are now a Five Iron Frenzy. So they began to recruit horn players for the band, because they had no horns. And then they bring in Brad, Leonor and Dennis, and then they become pretty popular in the Denver scene, the local scene. Their third show ever was opening up for MXPX. And they later became the go-to opener for all the Scott bands that come through Denver. So they would open for the boss songs in less than Jake whenever they came to Denver. And they had initially planned to just be a local band, but they did go to Cornerstone Festival in Illinois, which was a massive Christian alternative music festival, lots of punk and hardcore and metal, a little bit of everything. And they played an impromptu set, which I believe was on one of those generator sets, which was they had these generators set up near some skate ramps for skateboarders. And like bands would just like show up and be like, I want to play, and they would play. And they apparently played in front of some other bands, like Godi Hook, and I can't remember the other name. That gave them a lot of buzz, and then they started to get some attention. They put out a seven inch called It's Funny, but not very creative. And that got even more attention. Labels are going to be sending them offers, Billy Power of Blenderhead, and now spoken in tongues, tells a story about how Brendan Ebel, the owner of tooth and nail records wanted to sign Fiverr and Renzi to the label, but Billy, who was basically the second in command of tooth and nail at the time, he was like the A and R guy and he helped, you know, pick who they signed. He was like, we already have a scab and we already have the OC Supertones. We don't need five iron. And for years, Brandon would be like, we could have had five iron, but you said no. And then I think Billy always threw back at him that he was like, well, we could have had Paramore, but you said no, I think that's what that was the man that he got. He tried to get on the label, but they eventually signed with five minute walk records. They released their first album, Upbeats and Beatdowns in 96. That almost successful enough that they were able to quit their jobs and go on tour full time. Imagine. Oh, I sold enough CDs. All right, let's go on tour for the rest of our lives. And so they spent 1997 touring. They played 150 shows. They did one tour called Rock Your Socks Off, where the audience were encouraged to bring socks for donation. And that was one thing that the label was really focused on. They were really big on supporting like charities and nonprofits. And that's why the band always stuck with five minute walk because they got offers from bigger labels, but they were like, no, we like this label. They actually put a lot of their money where, you know, their mouth is, you know, they actually do a lot of charity work, which they felt was pretty important as a band. And yeah, they best the tour they did right before they go into studio. They go into studio in September and the album is out in November. Turn around time is incredibly fast back then. Yeah. So they were part of the Christian sky scene, which was front headed up by five iron, the Zosu super tones and the insiders. Those are probably the biggest bands of that scene. Though apparently there was like an article in seven ball magazine where like the writer had found he's like, I found 80 Christian sca bands. They were like almost all underground, like not very well known. I would love to find that list and read that list, but I can't, it couldn't find anything online about that. So yeah, Christian sky was, I feel like Christian Scott probably carried on the sky sound a little longer in underground stuff, but even when like the more mainstream attention was starting to die down. But yeah, I loved this record back then it was my favorite album period, not just by them, but just in general. But what'd you think of it revisiting it? I love it. It's a five star record. I mean, I think that it holds up super well. I think that it has a great balance of what five iron frenzy is known for, but sca punk somewhat serious songs with maybe a humorous tone, funny songs, just, you know, full on jokes, politically socially conscious lyrics, and like, beautiful, uplifting, like basically worship songs. You're not worship songs in the sense of CCM, you know, worship music, you know, holy, holy, holy, over and over and over again, kind of songs, but like Christian songs, like just overtly, you know, specifically Christian songs that are, I think, some of the best, some of the best religious music made in the last hundred years. I mean, stuff that is like, I mean, there's songs on here that are like practically hymns. Like, I mean, you really just, you can't even, even, I think someone who's not a Christian would have to like say like, that's a sincere expression of belief that is done in a way that isn't designed to manipulate. And it's just like an honest expression, like, it's well crafted and well thought out, like I don't know, and you'd have to just be like, you know, a hard line, anti-Christian person to really hate those songs. I get not liking Christian, scour, or punk, because I think a lot of it was not great. Yeah. And I think a lot of times, well, I mean, a lot of times it was just such a like, trying to think of how to phrase it, it felt, I can understand that it's something that feels counterproductive or contrary to what like the ethos of punk, particularly in the 90s, when, you know, Christian punk really comes into its own becomes an actual genre, how that then carries into like the mid 2000s, you know, metal core, seeing that come up and being like, well, this is like, you know, you're trying to get people to become Christians and it's like, well, some of them work evangelizing. Yeah, the, like I mentioned the big three, so there was five iron, but then there was the OC supertones who were just like, that is evangelical as fuck. And I actually listened to return of the OC supertones this week, just to be like, let's see if I remember this. I remember most of the words to super told strike back. Oh, no, the album's called it super told strike back return. I think it's a different record, super told strike back came in 97, remember that song perfectly for God, every other song on that album, and this is doing it again. I was like, holy shit, I haven't heard these songs and for like, they were so, it's been so long since I heard any of those songs that I was like, man, I, I forgot this completely. And you know, it comes back to you after hearing it, but I didn't like little man, the song like second to last. I was like, oh, yeah, I remember this one too. But Christian punk, I mean, really just like Christianity in general isn't, it's not monolithic. It's not really that consistent. A lot of a lot of if not the majority of the Christian punks were pretty aligned with the politics of punk in the 90s, you know, most of them now are still like, you know, at least some of the bigger people like Billy and Mark Salomon, like those notable people like are like very left, very liberal, very at least liberal, you know, like, yeah, I mean, there's some that aren't, but yeah, for the most part, yeah, very left naming. Yeah, I think the more, I think the more you get into like the 2000s with them with the Christian metal core stuff is where you get into the frustrating, like evangelical like, you know, Trump fans are welcome at my shows, Norma Jean, guy quitting Norma Jean because it's not a mission enough, or what was the other band that had a hasty day did the sort of the same thing to. Yeah. That's a post that's a post 9/11. Yeah, that's a bounce back to conservatism. It's that, well, and also just like the Christian music world was like, oh, alternative music, we could do that. What does that you say? Yeah. Yeah. In the 90s, it was just like, we're weird kids who listened to punk and but we still go to church. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of them. That's like the majority of the Christian bands. And yeah, I'm sure there was, you know, altar calls and preaching and oh yeah, what you are, what kind of band and I mean, you know, the first lineup of Xeo likes to claim that like, oh, everybody, you know, spoke their piece, like, you know, vegans preached and which like, yeah, sure, vegans were militant and straight hedge kids were militant and aggressively outspoken and people didn't like them either. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, if that's your motivation, like, okay, yeah. But I think that 500 frenzy have always managed to be a Christian band in probably the most respectable way that you could do that. Yeah. They were actually respected by like non Christian audiences. They were, they were well regarded from a lot of those, those scenes. They were invited, they were invited to take part in the sky against racism tour. And there was actually some hesitation from a lot of people in the crowds at the time who were just like, I don't know, are these guys going to be preaching at us? And they didn't. And they were actually really, you know, people really appreciate like, Oh, I'm glad you just didn't get up there and like preach at us. Cause they were the only Christian man on that tour. Everyone else was less than Jake, mustard plug, the toasters, MU 330, blue meanies, Mike Park solo and Kimiri. And it's funny. The whole tour was like designed to be like, let's bring up, you know, topics of racism and talk about it. And one of the members of the blue meanies was like, yeah, most of the bands didn't actually give a shit about the message. They were just there to do a tour and it wasn't so much that. And apparently Mike Park was super disappointed with how it kind of came about. He was like, the blue meanies guy was like, yeah, some bands would be like racism sucks. And that would be the only thing they would say about it on stage. And so it was just like, just another tour for them. And I think Mike Park was very bummed by that. And that's why they didn't do another one. Yeah. But I mean, if there's a, if there's a band that of, you know, mostly white people to bring on. Or Mike, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, yeah, they're, they're, they're, I believe they're Mexican. They're Colorado, Mexican, right, but yeah, it's kind of a, yeah, that's kind of a category. It's like multiple generation, Mexican American, I believe, yeah, usually, they, they made a decision early on to, because they were a Christian band, they didn't want to only play Christian venues, like Christian churches and stuff like that. They would do half and half. So they would do like half Christian venues and then half like secular for like of a better term, like club shows, bar shows, stadium shows, all that kind of stuff. Because they were like, we don't, we don't want to just do that. Because the way they talked about it in years later, they were like, they didn't like playing the churches. They weren't as fun shows. They were more limited in what they could do, like on stage, like the churches all had these rules about what they could and couldn't do and how loud they could be, you know, like kind of stuff. And they were like, that sucks. They preferred playing like the club shows just because it was, you could do whatever you want, you know, nobody was to fuss an edgy for like, the kids are getting too rowdy in here. You know? So that was another thing too that helped them like kind of legitimize themselves because I feel like bands like the supertonals and the insiders were doing more churches, more Christian festivals, that kind of thing than five iron was. Yeah. Well, all of the bands, I mean, I think all of the bands on tooth and nail and like all of the bands in the Christian rock, Christian funk world, like the had to play some churches. Right. I know like in Mark Salomon's book, he talks about playing a church and it's like, it's always kind of described it as being awkward and weird. Yeah. To be there. They wound up doing a lot of those because they tend to make a lot more money playing churches too. Yeah. Because like some of the bigger churches just had the money to spend on that kind of thing. And then they would then also like take connections up for the bands too. So like they were good paydays for them and it's not that they were like against the message, you know, they were trying to, you know, that these churches were trying to guess, trying to put out there. But for an artistic pursuit and just like from a performance standpoint, yeah, the clubs were the way to go for all that kind of stuff. Yeah. When I was young, the smallest drug I'd like to catch my eye in life was me when every new day I thought that I could fly. I believed in what I hoped for, and I hoped did things unseen. I had wings and dreams could soar, but I just don't feel like running anymore when the start to down there's tears. What I'd have been with their tears before words were spoken, before we turn it to the key. Dear father, I need you. You'll thank my heart to men. I want to fly higher every new day I get here. But yeah, like I said, with the heavy 500 friends, you know, the sky gets racist and tore. I'm like, that's a band with multiple songs about basically, I mean, the American genocide of indigenous people. Yeah, like there's one of those songs on, is it every album has a song like that? So Upbeats has Old West, which is about manifest destiny. This record has banner year, which is about Black Kettle and Custer. Does quantity have one? Quantity does not. So that's an EP, hype, I mean, hype has the Columbine song, Columbine song, a song about Freddie Mercury, a song and, you know, regretting your immature childhood to homophobia. Yeah. Songs about consumerism. And then fire my friends. Electric Boogaloo has the day we killed, yeah, about crazy horse. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a topic they hit a lot, which I think was enough that was just paying attention to history in high school, or if there was some influence from being a Colorado band and being closer to larger indigenous communities in the West, it was just something they were more conscious of, I don't know, but yeah, I don't know, they had good, mostly good politics. I know Reese Roper said some dumb things off and on, but they've always, they've always always been critical of America. I mean, as a country, they've been critical of consumerism and capitalism. They've been, you know, they've talked about homelessness a lot and took collections for, you know, clothing for people and like, and I think also like took the, like, at times would just take that honest stance of like being frustrated in the face of homelessness and poverty and being like, I don't really almost just kind of throwing up your hands and in despair and being like, I truly don't know what to do, you know, in the face of this. Like, and it's something that is, and also like it's something that is particularly as a Christian, something that you're like upset by, that you're just like, this is core to my faith that there shouldn't be poverty or homelessness. Yeah, so the Wikipedia has a pretty good like layout of a lot of their lyrics, it says, so many of the band's songs are firmly rooted in social gospel convictions, often exploring themes of Christian hypocrisy and fundamentalism, manifest destiny and the injustices done to Native Americans and faith-based criticisms of capitalism, consumerism, nationalism, xenophobia, and even the Christian music industry, as well as more traditional uplifting songs of praise and worship. So yeah, like they, yeah, they tackled a lot of the, a lot of issues that the church kind of like doesn't really talk about as much or the issues with the church. And while, yeah, like while simultaneously doing what I said of like the most beautiful hymn, like, you know, worship songs, they're just like sincere expressions of, of, of devout faith. Like it's, I don't, I've never seen any other band come close to that. So if I'm an interesting man, because they are simultaneously like silly and serious, like they have these songs that are just like, it's a, it's a comedy song. But if you like really pay attention to what they're saying in the song and like you look at like what the actual meaning behind the song is, it's like, it's usually like deeper than just like the surface funny part, because a lot of times like, there was a lot of the comedy and Scott music at this time. And a lot of it was just comedy. And there wasn't like a ton of subtext or, you know, like buried, like alternate, you know, meanings, like, so this record, there are a lot of comedy songs. If we're going pure comedy, like no subtext or anything, where's Micah? Which funnily enough, I read the story about that song. Apparently, Micah was the guitar player in the band was so good at learning the new songs that once he learned a song, he would get bored and then just stop coming to practice. So he would be like, all right, I got this one down, like he would learn it before anyone else, and then was just like, I don't need to practice the song, I know it well enough. And so he wouldn't come to practice anymore. And while everybody else is still trying to learn their parts. And so they wrote the song to get back at him because they're always like, where's Micah? The song itself is about like, oh, he's late all the time. He always late getting on the bus. He's late, you know, supposed to be at our show, but he's not here. That wasn't the case. He was usually there, though, except when I saw him when he was like, went back to the hotel room and like fell asleep and then was almost late for the show. But supposedly he was normally almost always on time. This was just them like getting back at him and making people think that he's late all the time. So that's just like a straight comedy song. I mean, it's a joke song, but there's like a, there's a story to it. Yeah. So that's a pure joke song, kitty doggy, just a throwaway comedy song. Yeah. Not really, but a song. It's like a practice recording filler material. Oh, Canada, I don't think there's any subtext to oh, Canada. Yeah. That one's just purely, let's write a song about Canada. Yeah. And our standard knowledge of it. So those are like the ones that I would just say are like straight up comedy songs on this record. But the other songs, so ones that are funny, you have superpowers, which is a song about being in a band on tour, you know, yeah, and it's not a glamorous lifestyle. Yeah. That's the point of that song. It's like being on tours kind of hard and you're tired all the time and like bad things happen. And but we're like lucky that we get to do this. Like that's the underlying message is like we're really happy that we get to do this as our job. So on surface, it's a song about bacon bits and jalapenos on your Polish hot dog and falling off the stage and breaking the promoter's leg like funny, but it's really just about man, we're lucky to play music live sucker punch, which is a song about kind of just being like a nerd in school, but it's also very like a faith driven song about, you know, even if you're picked on or a or a dork or a loser, there's still, you know, the belief in god, you know, that, yeah, there's blue comb 78, which is the band song about Reese Roper's blue comb getting thrown up the window of his car, one of his favorite belongings as a child. But it's also really a song about like loss of innocence because it's like about really it's about him being a child and before his parents are divorced, I believe that's the context of the song. Yeah, which that song fans started, go ahead. Fans began to just bring them blue combs to shows and it just became this running thing where fans would bring him a blue comb and when they would play the song, they would get a blue comb and Reese's always says like, I wish we called that song, where have you seen my dollar because we would have made so much more money over the years. And when I saw them, somebody gave him a blue comb again, he's like, Oh, thank you, I have so many of these like it's better than Travis Trit. Here's a quarter call somebody who cares where he gets quarters thrown at him. I guess that's it for like the comedy stuff though, because then other songs like hand back for the sellouts about selling out. That's more of like a music industry song, you got Fistful of Sand, which is like a one of the more like diblically minded songs about like a clasiesties or something. Second season, that was like a straight up worship song. That's the Dennis song on the record. I love that song. Oh, litmus is about the Christian music industry. And like, is this band Christian enough to be on our Christian label and like, and about how you shouldn't be like, basing that on your decision on, you know, whether to sign up an internet. And then most likely to succeed is kind of a, I'm not entirely sure what that one's about. Like expectations put on you. It's kind of a, I mean, I think it's kind of just generally critical of like the, of the, you know, capitalist, American dream kind of mentality of chasing success and really just creating, creating systems that hold other people down to support that. Yeah. This is one of those records that I've listened to so many times that like listening to it for the show, it was kind of hard. It's very similar to a free, which album we did before, but it was like the song stopped being songs anymore to, they're just like there, they're what they are. You know them front and back in like what every part of the song is doing that it was really hard to like listen to it and like actually analyze like what's happening in the songs. When I was younger, I definitely loved the funny songs, the most on this record. But as I got older, I really got into the serious songs on the album. Yeah. I mean, they were, yeah, their appeal to us as kids was definitely this band's funny. Yeah. And they're not, they're not that funny. Yeah. So that was one of the things too, where I was like, this isn't that funny. Sure, the joke is like I'm just so immune to it now, or it's not actually that funny. But it's jokey. Yeah. And when they're jokey, I appreciate when that is aimed at something. You know, I mean, oh, Canada's fun and it's kind of, you know, it's fun. It's catchy. Like, it's fine. I mean, I think there's something still maybe a little humorous about slurpies made from venison that's deer, but it's really early drawing out deer like that is like, that's not real, right? They don't have venison slurpies, right? That would be horrible meat, meat slurpies, you ever tasted venison? Yeah. They got milk in a bag. Yeah. But that's true. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some of it's just like, clearly just joke, joke lyrics. But yeah, you're right. I do think like sucker punch and superpowers work better because they have an actual, like, real meaning behind them. Yeah. Favorite songs on the album? Handbook for the sellout is an all-time favorite. Banner year is great. Yeah. I love Banner year. Second season is great. Yep. Every new day is great. Yeah. Every new day is their show-closer. Yeah. Basically, it's been their show-closer since the album came out. And it's still their show-closer to this day, which is, it's like a straight up worship song, really. I quoted it at my graduation, uh, forced ceremony, high school ceremony that our mom made me do. And you didn't have to do one. Still salty about that. I had a, I had a party graduation thing at church. You had a party. You didn't have a thing thing. You didn't have to go give a speech. Yeah. She probably saw how awkward it was. Yeah. Maybe she's like, ugh. Ugh. Well, she did kind of make Luke do one, though. Kind of. It wasn't as, he may have said something at the end of his, but he had other, other people spoke at his. I guess other people spoke at mine too, but man, I would not do that. If I could have known I could say no, I would have, got, and I gave like a big old speech about hypocrites. Like, I don't even know, like I was 18, not even know what I'm talking about. What are you supposed to talk about in these? No, I think you're all hypocrites. I don't know why that was the time. It's, it's recorded and I never want to see that. Like, it's on a tape somewhere. I do not. Oh, God. I never want to see that. Oh, no, I would love if it was taped over, find that tape, erase it, get a big magnet. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've definitely, yeah, I've definitely thrown away stuff I wrote as a preteen teenager. No lyrics that I never used. Yeah. Like, I don't need a record of it. I know what it said. Yeah. I wrote it. Nobody else ever needs to read it. Yeah. I mean, the ones you mentioned, those are my favorites. Like the, and when we were talking about the album, we're going to talk, you know, when we were choosing, you were choosing the album, we were discussing it. And I think you were like, yes, they're best record. And I partly don't think it's their best record anymore. What do you think it is? Uh, electric Boogler, I think is their best record. Hmm. The band, the band thinks it's their best record, or at least they did think it was their best record in their initial run, but it was also underwear. I think it's, it's got, it has some like comedy, jokey songs on it, but not that many. Like it's like a pre ex girlfriend on it and you can't handle this. Those are pretty much it. It's a mostly serious record. And I think the reason why I don't, I don't think our newest album ever is their best anymore is because of all the comedy songs on it. But also, I don't know that I think that's just me being over the joke, like I'm, they're not funny to me anymore because I've heard them too many times. So the, the humor is gone and I do think some of it's a little cringy some of the humor. I guess these are the best, these are the best songs though. So that, that's a tough like, these are not my favorite lyrics, but they are some of my favorite like melodies and music that they ever did. I don't know. They don't have a bad record to me. So it, it's tough to decide. Yeah. I can, I can see that it doesn't have perfect lyrics, but I don't think five iron frenzy have perfect lyrics. I do think though, this being like my favorite band and album, like it very much imprinted on me a type of lyric that I do enjoy because you have said many times on the show, I'm not a lyrics guy. And I mean that in the sense of I don't pay attention to what's being said in the song for the most part. I usually have to read lyrics to see what's going on. My brain can't like, my brain, I guess, that's like, I don't know, is that a type of ADHD where you just can't focus on like what's being said in a song because you're too distracted by the actual like music and melody and stuff. I don't know. I don't pay attention to lyrics for the most part, unless they're like very clear, like very clear and easy to understand, like you can't help but hear every word, you know. If you got a little vocal effect or it's buried slightly, I'm, I'm not going to hear that. I'm not going to catch on to what you're saying. But it did kind of imprint on me, like the type of lyrics that I do enjoy. And I think that's why I enjoy stuff like lyrically stuff like AJJ, very similar ways of writing songs, very like AJJ comedy songs, funny songs, socially political songs. Yeah. I was also going to say AJJ, a jokey band that's maybe not actually that funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I did, it's a particular way of songwriting too, like it's not, it's not veiled, not very obtuse. I don't get enjoyment out of reading poetry a lot of times, like I just, I just don't get much enjoyment out of it because a lot of times it's, it's like, it's, what do you think it is? It's like, I don't, I don't want to do that. I don't want to figure out what I think this poem's about or these lyrics are about. I like things spelled out a little clearer. That's my dumb guy coming through, I guess. I do like visual lyrics, like I like Ben Nichols lyrics and like John K. Samson or like like Schwarzenegger Bach, like stuff that you can kind of like visualize the lyrics a little better. Yeah. So like, like English 101 concrete imagery, like it makes stories better. Yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If the lyrics too vague, I'm just like, I don't know what this is about. I don't know. It makes me not care. Yeah. It's just what you're, yeah, what you're, if you're trying to convey something. Yeah. Some specific concrete, you know, elements helps, that's going to, that's going to convey your meaning better because you got five minutes, man, like, you know, it's not a movie. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. We, I think I'm, you and I are in mostly the same boat when it comes to lyrics, just in maybe like different, slightly different ways, like I don't care about them very much. Yeah. But sometimes they're really bad. And then I care very much. Yeah. I'm generally pretty forgiving and can accept like a pretty wide range of types of lyrics of like abstract, but I'm probably not going to engage as deeply if it's too abstract. So, but it's fine. I don't care. I have no like restriction on that. Yeah. Yeah. A good example. Like Zao was like one of my all time favorite bands too from around this time, same age. And like for the most part, I didn't really get most of his lyrics because it was a lot of his, he wrote poetry and then just put them to music is how that band worked. Yeah. He's like, he would find lyrics like, uh, this will work. This will work. Like that's how he picked his stuff. And there'd be like some interesting like phrases that they would put in, you know, like just like, Oh, that's an interesting string of words. I don't know what it means, but it's cool sounding. They also had to be more veiled because he's singing about, um, you know, porn stars committing suicide. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and they're on like, Haster's Christian label. Yeah. Yeah. A little different, but like, I don't know. That's a living sacrifice song about who fucking knows Jesus. They're all about Jesus. See, that's, that's doing the biblical stuff in a way that I don't really care for. Yeah. Oh, it's just like, yeah, but I liked blender head because he's saying a song about like being angry and yelling and being, being an abusive husband or boyfriend or like, uh, homeless people. Hey, brother. Can you spare a dime? I'm poor. My mind, like they had very similar lyrics to the five iron two, but they also got into like relationship stuff in blender head, but yeah, um, musically, man, they sound good. They sound so good. I mean, there's so many great, like, it, um, they were really good musicians, right? For they're really young too. And they were all really good at their instruments. Yeah. Like really good, good ska guitar, genuinely ska guitar playing. Great bass playing, great drums. Horns are great. Um, oh, the horns on this record, they sound so cool. They don't sound like any other horns from this time period, like, I don't know how to describe it. I think it's every, like, every scab and kind of had their own sound when it came to horns. That's usually like the producers and like who's recording them and how Mike, you know, arrangements and setups and stuff like that kind of work, but I just love how the horns sound of this record. Though I think the horns sound different on every five iron record, like they just all sound slightly different. Yeah. I mean, that's going to vary just from how they're mic'd and what mic choices you make and how they're EQ'd and horns can be very, they can be surprisingly hard to record and they can wind up sounding really different. Like it's, they're very, try to think of how to say that they're very, well, it's really easy to undercut them and just like take out too much low end. There can be awkward fit in terms of like tone range, depends on the player too. And I mean, like, I think that the horn players and five iron friends, we were good and I think that they have good intonation and I think that they have good, good articulation and in like the W's thing you mentioned, like, I don't know that it's necessarily the fairest knock against the W's to say like, oh, they had to bring in somebody else to arrange the horns. And it's like, a lot of times people do need to bring someone else in to arrange horns. Like, to have that objective, arranging horns can be trickier than you think. And you know, we don't have great, we don't have a lot of horn players. Horns aren't something that get used a lot in music anymore. You tend to have maybe like solo horn players, brass players or read players. It's not like the sixties where there's like, oh yeah, we got a horn section that records on every single record. Like, it's rare to pull together a group of horn players that play together regularly outside of a marching band. And that's different. That's completely different thing. Yeah, it's a different kind of arranging. You also have like five of each horn. And you have like tubas and you have, you know, the only, you know, you only really find like horn sections in like, well, I mean, yeah, ska, funk and like Latin bands. And they typically use trumpets, trombones and saxes, like you're not seeing like lots of flubel horns and French horns and tubas and stuff unless you're doing like more like an orchestra type thing. Like, what's that Tokyo sky paradise who they're like, they got like a big old orchestra, you know, yeah. And that's almost like big band like that's yeah. And that's also the, you know, where, where Scott punk horns tend to be not, not really great, it's because it's a lot of like your marching band kids who kept playing. And like the good ones are usually the ones that maybe like we're in like a jazz band in high school. Yeah, I was just thinking like, who are the other like in you three 30 horns are like jazz. I was gonna say like, who are the good horn players in third wave sky ska and get pickle? No, those are not good horns. They're fun, but they're very like, like that kind of like very simple horn. Playing the boss tones, great horn players. They probably are jazz trained and influenced. They also have like other horns too. They didn't just stick to the three types, any three 30s really good with their horns. But like, I think like less than Jake, not very good with their horns. Real big fish. Probably one of the better. Yeah, they have a decent memory. Yeah, they have a pretty good horn section because they like really the horns are a big part of real big fish. And I don't think they are as big for less than Jake. I think let's say Jake might just be like a trumpet scab and that's it. Maybe there's a trombone, but yeah, but fire and frenzy has, yeah, they have good or like they're not just all blasting on the same notes, like they have a range torn sections. Like you have trumpet hitting your high pretty high trumpet playing to hit the high sea all night. Oh, wish I could hear what he's playing, but like you've got that bright, you know, cutting trumpet lead really high up and then you have your trumpet that does wrong, you know, those low swinging kind of like bass runs and filling out the lower end and saxophone, keeping it, you know, kind of a middle range. You have a good arrangement in their horns and you have good melodies in the horns and you have the horns doing counterpoint or, you know, harmony, like harmonizing with the vocals. Yeah, just, I think just really well thought out and Reese sounds great. He has such a good voice for like the register that he's in. Yeah. He has, he has one of those accidentally great voices of solid pitch, good range, good agility, but he sings with a really natural forward placement, like talking voice tone. Like he sings the way he talks. Yeah, but obviously like, you know, with pitch variation, much wider pitch variation, you know, like just, yeah, just really good, a really good balanced voice of like nasality and chest power and like it's, I think he's underappreciated as a vocalist. I think he's, I think he's one of the best scott punk vocalists. Yeah. From this time period. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Well, because a lot of them are all kind of like they do a thing and that's kind of the thing. Like Dickey Barrett, he sounds like this and all his songs pretty much. He can clean it up a little, but there's only so much he can clean it up. Mike Park, he has a very limited range and you can hear him like hit, break, you know, ooh, you're at your peak, man, you can't go much further than that. Yeah. Mike Park, but even he would say he's like not like a virtuosa or anything. Yeah. I don't think that Mike Park thinks that he's a good singer. Mike Park's a better singer than Mike Park probably thinks he is. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I vocally, what, MC back commander is probably like the closest to Reese in like tone wise, they sound very similar. He's also doing, he's also doing a voice a lot of the times too. Yeah. MC backmaner is doing like a 60s cartoon voice, like, yeah, he's, and he's, he's pulling his tone back more and it's a little more covered in a little, because it's going to fit that character, that, like Troy McClure kind of, yeah, over the top voice. But he does have the most similar, like I think range in tone, just a little darker than Reese. Yeah. And Pothass, he's got the same kind of problem that Mike Park does, where he has like limits to his voice and you know, you can hear when he's hitting his, his limit. And he kind of does more of a yelly vocal anyway. Yeah. Trying to think of other bands now. Lesson Jake guy just sounds like this. Yeah. He's doing like, yeah, he's just doing 90s pop punk voice. Yeah. Real big fish guy. I couldn't tell you. Yeah. He's doing the same guy. Yeah. Reese is definitely more in the category of, like, the female vocalists in scott punk. He's more in the category with like, say, Faris and dancehall crashers. Yeah. In terms of like, technical ability as a singer, I don't know if Reece ever took voice lessons or not. Maybe he did. I don't know. I think he did at some point, maybe type voice as a teenager. I don't know if it was that or if it was later, like, after this record, it, if you really have gotten coaching later, it's just like, I need to maintain my voice. Yeah. I think that's what it was. I think I did remember him reading about like, I remember reading about him, like, taking voice lessons more for the health of his voice than so much technique. He, though I did listen to like the beginning of their live record and like, there's like some stuff where he, you know, they opened the record up with the to hell with the devil part. And he hits the highest, like, how are you getting all the way up there? I don't think he could anymore. But like back then, like, it was just like, that is shockingly high for what you, you don't normally even do that in your music. But yeah, just one of my favorite voices in music in general. Yeah. A lot of this band, just like every element of this band really imprinted on me from the lyrical content vocally and like melody and performance, just everybody. Yeah. Just to love how they sound, I love how this record sounds. I didn't notice seeing, well, seeing along with this record, I was like, Hey, I can sing more of this now. Oh, I can't, I have a better grasp of how to use my voice. Uh, I actually know how airflow and support is supposed to work. But yeah, I also was like, I had to make them, I had to check myself and be like, I'm not warmed up. I'm not seeing along to this entire record because I know it's seeing along to an entire five iron frenzy record feels like on my voice hurts. And I'm not, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't even getting really close to that pain level, but I was just like, I, yeah, I gotta, I gotta cap it. Just listen. I need to be paying attention to it anyway, and not singing over top of it. But it's so hard not to sing along to this record because of how many times I've heard it. Singing along to it. Know every word. I know every word to this record. Yeah. The record was pretty successful. Number 178 on the billboard 200, number eight on the heat seekers chart. They would go on to release a couple more albums, break up in 2003, and then they wanted for uniting in 2011. Do you remember coming to my apartment because a countdown had appeared on the five iron frenzy website that was like a couple months away, and everybody was, it was a fan of the band was like, what's this countdown for? Because the, the end date was the date of the final five iron show. And so everybody's like, they're gonna announce a reunion. Like everybody was like immediately like, oh, they're coming back. And do you remember me being like, you should come over and we'll see what happens at the end of the countdown. Yeah. And watch like the big Lebowski, and we paused the movie. We went to the computer. Pull up five iron frenzy.com, waited for the countdown, and lo and behold, they were back together. They have a Kickstarter. Uh, well, we knew what it was because they did a little video first, and like you just like press play on that video, and it's like Reese like crawling through the desert coming up on a jar of mayonnaise. And him like taking a spoon and then just like eating a big, I think he had to eat the whole jar. The comment they used to make all the time was if we ever get back together, I'll eat a whole jar of mayonnaise was what Reese always said. And so they got back together and reset a whole jar of mayonnaise. Do you think it was really a jar of mayonnaise or do you think it was a jar of idylla pudding? I would hope so, but knowing them, knowing him, it probably was mayonnaise. Yeah. And yeah, they were like, here's a new song. Originally though, that countdown was just for the new website because they had let a fan have the website and it became a fan site. And he was like revamping the whole website, and he was going to do a countdown for the new site and accidentally created this like, oh my God, five runs getting met together. So he like wrote the band and was like, hey, can you guys like write like a letter saying like, oh, sorry about the mix up. We're not actually getting back together. You know, this was just for the website. That was something fun. But everybody was like, oh, took it took it through serious. And so like Reese had like started writing the letter and then decided, no, let's do it for real, because they had already been talking about doing it again. They had all like Scott was like, I want to, I want to do five run again, but I gave my spot up because I had, because he had quit the band. Yeah. He's like, I don't want to take Sonny's spot away from him. But then like Keith was like, no, I don't want to come back. I want to just like keep making music with my wife. And so I was like, well, Scott, do you want to come play bass? And that was it. Like, all they needed to like get back together. So then they did, they were like, yeah, let's, or you know what, let's get back together for real. And they did a Kickstarter and like met their goal in under an hour to fund the whole thing, which at the time, and then like wound up making like $200,000 on it, which at the time was like record breaking for Kickstarter. Now that's probably nothing. But back then, that was like, holy shit, this band, this Christian scab and from Denver like broke all these like Kickstarter records for funding and yeah. And then they put out their worst record moving. Yeah. I mean, it's okay. It's a comeback record. It is. The second comeback record is much better. Yeah. There was also like almost 10 years later too. But yeah, I think that if you like SCA, you should listen to this record, but I imagine if you like Scott, you've probably heard five iron frenzy by now. If you only kind of like SCA and you always skip to this band because they're a Christian band, I think you should listen to it. I think it's really a good record and it's a lot of fun. And I think I have had enough off time with five iron frenzy of not listening to them super regularly that I can talk about them without minusology glasses on. I think this is despite some of its, I think I guess I would say that this is a five star record and that like maybe the final quarter point is nostalgia and like personal importance like putting it up to that like perfect level. There's definitely so there's definitely plenty I can criticize about it. Kitty doggies, stupid Godzilla song at the end is stupid. Didn't track. Yeah. It's you know, cringy lyrics on the record, but I think there's so many great songs on the record. I think that there are even like the cringy lyrics, the songs themselves are great. Like musically, they're great, folkly, they're great. You know, I think the horns sound great. So the biggest, the biggest marks against it are just like, I would have written the lyrics differently. Yeah. Yeah. Because that is honestly my biggest complaint with the record is just like, eh, some of the jokes on land anymore, if they ever did, you know, yeah, yeah, I'm giving it five stars too. But, you know, there is some nostalgia there for me. I don't think I can be impartial about this record. I need to have, well, that's the thing we've gone. That's the thing is we've gone back to stuff that was really important to us that we loved and I've done this in my own time of like going back and listening to stuff that I loved as a kid that I'm like, ah, I don't like this, this isn't, this isn't good. And I think that there's something about 500 friends that has, has continued to push me to come back to it, them off and on throughout the years with probably larger gaps of time in between each revisit. And when I come back to them, it, I, I am taken back to the same level of enjoyment that I had at my height of listening to five iron frenzy. Very, very, very few bands do that. Yeah. I mean, like I said, I listened to that super tones record that came up this same year that I also loved at the time. Yeah. And I was like, this is a bad record. It's not good. I have nostalgia goggles for like two songs on this record. And then the rest of it, I'm like, God, Matt McGansky's voice sucks. He has a bad voice. He sounds congested all the time. Like, I didn't ever realize how like nasally he sounded in his music, but in his bad raps. Yeah. There's a line on that record. I'm as neutral as a Nazi, like, nazis are bad. You're talking about being a Christian and that's the line you're using. I get the concept of that line meaning like, Oh, yeah, I'm, I'm as neutral as a Nazi on this subject. It's like, use something else, man. Such a bad line. Not a better expression. Yeah. He's he's terrible. That band's bad occasional like decent songs, but and I was never an insider fan. Never. No. Couldn't sell them. Couldn't sell them to us then because it was like it was hymns. It's all they did. They just did hymns and scott form. That's probably better than the super tones, but I don't know. I don't care. Give me the dingies. The real test I should put on the W's one day and just be like, how bad is this? I think it's going to be pretty bad. I bet it's really bad. All right. Well, I think, I think that does it. I think we went a really long time on this record. Yeah. I think we were going to. Who knows? We may never do another record of theirs again. So this was a good one to really get, get into the accident. I don't know. I don't know what we would say different about like upbeat and beat downs are I can maybe see something different about one of the later records, but the end is near. Electric blue, but yeah. All right. Well, thank you all so much for listening. We'll be back next week with a traditional sky record. We're thinking something from like the 60s and 70s. We haven't discussed what we're going to choose yet. I think we're going to choose this one together. I think we'll pick something and yeah, really looking forward to that one too. So he's got a cat on his head. I do. He's been on my head like most of this for the last hour. He's been up here. I got a cat on my head, but don't call me a cat head. He just knocked my headphones off my head. You can follow us on all forms of social media at punk lotto pod punk lotto pod gmail.com and our voicemail line to a two six eight eight punk and patreon.com slash punk lotto pod for all your bonus audio needs. And yeah, let's do it. Let's get out of here. Thank you all so much. We'll talk to you next time.
